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NYT calls Boy Scouts’ new stance on gay admission ‘unprincipled’

Jan. 30, 2013 9:18am Eddie Scarry

The Boy Scouts of America announced Monday that it was on track to eliminate its national discriminatory policy against gay members and leaders. It would leave it up to local chapters to deal with policy instead.

It’s a decision that “falls far short” for the New York Times:

[T]he change the organization is contemplating falls far short of the clear and strong renunciation of antigay bigotry that is called for. It said it would no longer “dictate” an antigay policy to local scouting groups, but would let them decide whether to permit participation by openly gay people.

In other words, whether to persist in barring gay youngsters and their families would become a local option: an unprincipled position that would continue to send a message that discrimination is perfectly acceptable even if it is no longer mandatory under national Boy Scouts rules.

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Seriously1969
Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:41am
Most child molesters are not heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. According to University of California Davis, their attraction is to children, not same or opposite sex. According to Mahrin Raman, Case Western Reserve University, over 90 percent of molesters in the United States in 2000 were male offenders abusing females, and over 90 percent were acquaintances or family members.
90% are males who profess to be heterosexual. In reality sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia, It is a act of power and control by an individual who perceives himself and/or herself as inadequate. Children are targeted because they are not sexually judgmental and do not threaten the person as would be the case in normal adult sexual activities.

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- cspatriot
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 10:56am
  Seriously, What is your point? Homosexual scout masters for everyone? The issue is not only about potential child abuse, but also about MORALITY (that has already been pointed out) and whether or not the BSA will be forced to associate with people, acts and ideals that we profoundly disagree with, find repugnant as well as destructive to society. (Again, these evidences are easy to see, anecdotally, historically and scientifically).
  The other thing you fail to understand is that the BSA has an oath of doing ones Duty to God and God has, in no uncertain terms, condemned the activity as well as though who engage in it. There is no place in a healthy society for homosexuality, let alone the BSA.
  
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- Seriously1969
  Posted on February 1, 2013 at 6:52am
  If you are going to start quoting the Bible as the only measure of morality, then you had better include EVERYTHING in the Bible..including banning those with tattoos, those who have divorced, those who have not gone to church every Sunday (and worked on the Sabbath), etc. There are many leaders who lead questionable lives that I would not want my child being supervised under because of their lifestyle choices…getting divorced, engaging in recreational drugs..but because they are not gay, that makes them more morally acceptable? I don’t think so. Stop hiding behind your own feelings and fears and open your eyes. If you think that because someone is gay makes them immoral, look at the straight people you hold in such regard…are they divorced? Do they attend church? Do they drink? Have tattoos? So just make sure you and those you believe to be “moral” meet those requirements is all I’m saying. Enough with the hate. Live your life and make the choices that will make YOU feel better, not putting others down to make yourself feel better.
  
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HarryPotter
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 8:06pm
The Catholic Church never “brought” pedophiles into the priesthood, they got in by lying and breaking their vows, and were subsequently covered up by the church officials. And FYI, there is a big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. The same difference as between a straight man and a pedophile actually.

Also, being gay is not immoral or against the boy scout code at all. In fact, keeping a group out based on the way that they were born sounds like the opposite of scouting morals….

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- cspatriot
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:42pm
  Actually Harry, homosexuality is immoral as defined by two sources. First and foremost is God, whom I’m sure you don’t believe in. But if you do, read Romans chapter 1.
  The other source is Webster: Immorality: 1. Violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
  2. licentious or lascivious.
  As far as definition #1 goes, the CDC claims that Homosexual men make up 2% of the population. (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm) (You may also notice that gay 2% accounts for 61% of new HIV cases and are more susceptible to syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia. BTW, more disease=bad/immoral behavior) No word on percentages of lesbians. Let’s assume there are twice as many of them. Therefore, we have 6% of the population that turns itself on. So then, 94% of the population in the United States is attracted to the opposite sex and not their reflection. I’m going to assume that that the larger group will decide what is normal, accepted and moral based on how they conduct their lives under the social structure of the nuclear family.
  As far as definition #2 goes, I have never seen a LGBT forum that postulated about Man’s insignificance as compared to the heavenly cosmos. In fact, most of them are about converting straights, anal vs. oral, toys vs. tongues, etc. etc. Therefore, both definition #1 and #2 apply to homosexuality and therefore…it is immoral
  
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- cspatriot
  Posted on January 30, 2013 at 10:54pm
  Also Harry, please do not try to ‘channel’ scouting values. There is such a thing as Freedom of Association and the Boy Scouts are to free to limit their memberships to those who desire to serve God and be straight. I’ve been involved in Scouting for 18 years and none of OUR rules say that we have to accept anyone for any reason.
  You are free to associate with whomever you like, and the BSA is not beating down your door demanding to be included in….whatever. So, let us have OUR rules as WE see fit, you start your own Gay Scouts of CA/NY/WI or wherever, have YOUR rules as YOU see fit and we’ll get along just fine. From a distance.
  
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Tom K
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 11:35am
Look what happened when the Catholic Church lowered their standards and brought Homosexual Pedophiles into the Priesthood ! The National Boy Scouts need to just leave well enough alone and don’t change one thing. Let the perverts form their own exclusive group. The B.S.A. must remain Brave, Clean and Reverent.

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- Seriously1969
  Posted on January 31, 2013 at 6:37am
  Most child molesters are not heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. According to University of California Davis, their attraction is to children, not same or opposite sex. According to Mahrin Raman, Case Western Reserve University, over 90 percent of molesters in the United States in 2000 were male offenders abusing females, and over 90 percent were acquaintances or family members.
  
  90% are males who profess to be heterosexual. In reality sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia, It is a act of power and control by an individual who perceives himself and/or herself as inadequate. Children are targeted because they are not sexually judgmental and do not threaten the person as would be the case in normal adult sexual activities.
  
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cspatriot
Posted on January 30, 2013 at 11:15am
Surprising that I agree with the NYT, although for opposite reasons. The unprincipled part is that the BSA is considering the change because of MONEY. Nevermind that homosexuality is immoral and contradicts being morally straight AND is in direct opposition to doing ones Duty to God, but the BSA is ignoring a century of strict principles, their own aims of building character and citizenship in youth, as well as destroying their own credibility in teaching youth “to make ethical choices throughout their lifetime.” If the ban is lifted, the BSA will have demonstrated that caving to public opinion for the sake of money is their greatest value. If the current leadership isn’t corrected or replaced, I predict they will lose far more membership than they could ever hope to gain.
For you rabid homosexual appeasers I remind you of Romans chapter 1 and the decrees of God. Also know that no amount of twisting God’s command to “love one another” will justify the perversions of His procreative power.

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- crisnick
  Posted on February 4, 2013 at 7:00pm
  Amen to that. Remember Jesus said (recounted in Matthew, Mark, and Luke) that no one can have two masters — God and money. I do not have anything against people being homosexual, because it is like any other sin. But Jesus said to go and sin no more. If you are a sinner, confess it and pray for help overcoming it. But often you find with homosexual rights groups they tell you homosexuality is inherent from birth and there’s nothing you can do about it, so therefore it can’t be a sin in their view. I am against this kind of misinformation. Fess up to your sins like the rest of us.
  
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