11-Year-Old Co. Boy Arrested for ‘Innapropriate’ Stick-Figure Drawing
- Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:07am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Is this a sign of the times, an overreaction, or both?
That’s the question surrounding a case in Colorado, where an 11-year-old boy was arrested in October for drawing a stick-figure picture depicting him shooting three other people and the accompanying phrase “teachers must die” at school. The picture, however, was the product of instructions from the boy’s therapist, who told him to draw instead of act out in class when his attention deficit disorder flares up.
Now, the parents are furious after the boy was hauled from home in handcuffs and faces misdemeanor charges:
KDVR-TV reports:
The school was aware that the boy was in treatment, determined he was not a threat, notified his parents and sent him back to class. His mother, “Jane” was shocked when Arvada Police showed up at their home later that night.
She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car. His mother says she begged police to let her drive her son to the police department and to let her stay with him through the booking process but they refused.
They put him in a cell, took his mug shot and fingerprinted him. He says he thought he was going to jail and would never be able to go home again.
According to the police report, “Tim” explained he made the drawing to release anger and would never hurt teachers or anyone. At first the school did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night. A juvenile assessment report shows he’s never been in legal trouble before and is at low risk to reoffend.
He’s charged with a third degree misdemeanor, interfering with staff and students at an educational facility. The system says it’s doing what’s in the best interest of the child. But Tim’s therapist says handcuffing an 11 year old and putting him in a cell over something like this is “quite an overreaction” and does much more harm than good.
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Comments (191)
AmericanPatriot1776
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:49amI believe it considering the neo-nazi fascists that run the schools today. Tell him to call the ACLU and get the charges dropped.
rienheart
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:46amThrow the little kid in Prison!!! OMG the Horror of Stick figures, they can Kill!!! the Police are right this little Criminal Artist should have been in Leg Irons too. what were they thinking, this little boy is a very dangerous criminal they were putting their lives and everyone else’s lives in Jeopardy by not Having that little boy in Leg Irons, waist chains and a Mask like Hanibal Lecter. The Police put everyone in Danger by not securing this little boy properly. What were they thinking????
Report Post »Warphead
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:44amThe whole world is on the brink of collapse and these school administrators and police find an 11 year old boy drawing “threatening” stick figures to be such a threat as to warrant his arrest? I can tell you this. Our country and society is about to collapse and it is because of this type of irrational liberal thinking. When TSHTF lets just say, It isn’t going to go well for these type of people. Personally I hold each and everyone of you liberal progressive small minded morons accountable.
Report Post »Joseff
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:39amAnother glaring example of Zero Tolerance Policy, the purpose of which is to allow sensible adults to avoid acting like sensible adults. How do you expect your kids to be educated in a system that protects the educators from having to make responsible decisions?
Joe
Report Post »Helldogger
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:35amWell there’s one for all you folks that always think the cops are always right. This is coming to a road block near you. They’ll be checking to see if your income taxes & healthcare are payed up. You’re a danger to society if not. Remember, the TSA are police officers.
Report Post »twofoot_trucker
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:31am“…interfering with staff and students at an educational facility…”
By doing what he was TOLD to do?
I’m sorry, but teachers unions need to be destroyed in every state. Teachers need to go back to having degrees in the subject they are teaching as opposed to “educational degrees”. They need to focus on the fundamentals and leave the touchy feely let’s all cry for mother earth crap alone. Tenure needs to be scrapped. You don’t perform, find another job.
School administrators need to be pared back to the bare minimum to run a school district. Also, teachers and administrators both should share collective responsibility for the performance of their schools.
I am sick of the “overworked and underpaid” lie regarding teachers, with nonsense like this thrown in on top of it.
Report Post »Utah_Carl
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:30amI agree with Stegall Tx.
Today’s police forces are taught to FORCE. Para-military (unionized) robocops.
Report Post »OH, I Get It!
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:29amEvery time I start to cut teachers some slack they do another one of these STUPID TEACHER TRICKS.
Report Post »A stick-figure with a stick-gun (or was it water pistol).
An aspirin given to a friend, “Oh my God, a drug pusher”.
A 6 year old with an “L”-shaped piece of paper, “Look out, it’s a gun!”.
COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!
leahasevedo
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:29amif i was this parent i would sue the school and then homeschool my child from now on. this is insane. it’s a little creepy that the child would draw and write what he did, but he did not disrupt class or the school, and since when is a disruption in class a issue worth going to jail over. where were these types of school officals when jared in arizona was disruping classes? if anything maybe they should have told the parent that he could not return to school until he has been evaluated. i’m almost afraid to send my child to school these days because i know that the school could care less about my childs welfare and education.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:27amOh great, it happened in my state. Glad I’m in Colorado Springs and not in liberal, Obama-zombie Denver. I have Dr. Keith Ablow on my show today and will most certainly bring this up with him. He’ll be on noon eastern; streaming at http://www.1530kcmn.com. This case needs to go away!
Report Post »GdaddyTejas
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:27amWell, isn’t that interesting, a child getting arrested for drawing stick figures, and of all places, Denver? If you notice, the town of Arvada is on the west side of Denver, not too far from Boulder, that staunch sanction of liberal lunacy. Go figure
Report Post »joeliberty
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:27amLawsuit city! The police cannot do this to a minor child……they cannot even speak to the child without parents present! Of course, this is police state USA where the cops always have the upper hand. They can kill someone on purpose and it will always be deemed an accident. What do you expect from a bunch of fascist thugs!
Report Post »HonorJC
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:26amIt is disturbing that this child has anger…but the real question the school should be asking is why the anger with Teachers. Is he being bullied? Is he not getting help understanding his Lessons? Did they punish him for something he may have felt was not his fault? Do they call him out in front of peers? I noticed he said “Teachers” not teacher. There needs to be investigation as to what his complaint was…And I agree…Mom needs to find a better school. Ridiculous to arrest a child for this. Beyond comprehension.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:41amHe’s a boy, getting no attention at home and being treated as a little girl in public school (all public schools treat boys as girls now). He still has some remnant of little boy in him, and is drawing things that most little boys have drawn in one form or another since we became a sentient species. He’s not “angry”, he’s bored and most likely feels alienated from most of the world due to how the world treats boys and men these days.
Just guessing of course. Boys need challenge, they’re physical and aggressive in a good way, and they enjoy acting out or thinking about violence at times. Back when we recognized this, there were games on the playground like Cowboys and Indians or War, a century ago a boy could expect to not only attend school but also hunt and be responsible for helping dad on the farm, and centuries before that kids this age were already placed on board Navy ships as assistants to the officers (war ships).
What this boy needs is a strong father or male figure in his life who provides a source of teaching the way men are wired to be taught, through struggle, challenge, discipline and yes, sometimes with the component of danger. He, and most boys, are not cut out to fit into the “sit quietly and be orderly and never, ever express an emotion except happiness or weepiness” new effeminate public school paradigm. Get this kid an active, masculine father, and get him into Boy Scouts, that would be a good start.
We’re alienating an entire generation of boys, just as society is alienating the current generation of grown men. We’re not touchy feely soft cuddle bunnies, we’re physical, logical, sharp, aggressive and far more intelligent than is advertised in the media these days. Our hard wiring is not accepting the soft-touchy-feely self-loathing programming. You ignore that at your own peril.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:59ambingo, Ghost!
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 5:31pmI think the drawing that I saw had “Music Sucks” on the top. Music requires alot of focus and discipline. For someone who has trouble with those two issues, the class would be hard.
As for the anger issue, what do kids see on TV? What do they read about in comic books or graphic novels? They read about “super heroes” who react with physical violence or with weapons (Fantastic Four, Superman, Batman, No Ordinary Family, etc.)
Personally, I‘m not sure I would endorse the therapist’s method, but I’m not a therapist, either, so I don’t know what the end goal of task was. It could have been just busy work to get the kid some space and some time to think about what was going on since he was going to throw it away once he got “calmer”. Maybe the act of throwing the drawing away was the point of the exercise, so that he could “close” the issue and move on to other things. But I don’t think that having the kid arrested for disrupting the class (he obviously didn’t) was the answer.
Report Post »scrapadapolis
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:24amHow can you arrest an 11 year old on his actions to a drawing,When he was directed to do so by his doctor to curb upsetting behavior in class.If thats the case I guess they dont allow the game hangman in public schools either.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:22amThey don’t allow anything in public schools anymore. They suspended a first grader at one school for using his finger and thumb for a gun and pointing it at another student while playing cops and robbers. Many school districts have removed playground equipment because a child might get hurt. Hell, I wish I could count the number of bumps and bruises I incurred as a kid playing on Jungle Gyms, swings, teeter totters and other equipment. Even some school districts have cancelled recess altogether.
ALL children have excess energy and need to be allowed to release it. They must be allowed to expend that energy in games and play of their own creation. Children cannot be expected to sit motionless in a classroom for 8 hours a day and give thier instrucyor full attention.
No wonder the homeschooling movement is gaining strength and is far more successful on a per student basis than the union controlled and overly PC public government “educational” factories.
Public schools are like assembly lines at GM, Ford or any assembly plant. Move them, in pass them along, shove them out. No compassion, no feelings, just numbers. I truly think that there are lots teachers who would love to change that but the system is structured so that it becomes impossible for a teacher to really care. WELCOME TO THE COMMUNIST, SOCIALIST SCHOOLING MECHANISM!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:41pmIt’s because when a kid actually does something violent, they dig up everything he ever wrote, or drew, or said and claim that the school ignored clear warning signs without any context of comparison with what perfectly harmless kids write when they’re just exercising their creative urges. Since America is ruled by the threat of financial ruin via lawsuit, they err on the side of caution and criminalize creativity.
Report Post »Ron
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:22amPretty sad when the local law enforcement does not have the ability to use common sense, and reason. It seems that they will only follow the progressive agenda. They may have a policy that prohibits them from using discretion. This would facilitate the politician’s agenda.
Bottom-up, top-down, inside-out. Just another way to keep stirring the pot. Do things that really anger people.
Report Post »steinie44
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:22amHell, I did that in school and people thought it was funny.
Report Post »But that was in the 50′s
Tigertame4
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:46pmRemember
Row row row your boat
Gently down the stream
Throw your teacher overboard
and listen to her scream
I guess I should be in prison I sang this as a kid. No WAIT! I am a SUBSTITUTE teacher so I get my purgatory there. (just kidding, I enjoy subbing)
Report Post »Independent Tess
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:22amPoor kid! Following his doctors instructions and then have this happen. Wonder what effect he will carry for the rest of his life.
Report Post »(I still shudder when thinking of being taken to the principal’s office for throwing rocks in the second grade)
Stegall TX
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:21amI am SO glad that I wasn’t born in this century. We used to actually have a good time in school, and played all kinds of “kill the bad guy” games (and, yes, sometimes the teachers were the “bad guys” in our games).
Report Post »MightyBee27
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:20amI guess the signs the protesters in WI are OK? Another great lemon of a teacher and a horrible school
Report Post »HillBillySam1
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:19amThe school officials and police must protect the children in the schools but I think that they could have handled this a little better. I don’t know the particulars of this case, but shouldn‘t the boy’s therapist be held somewhat accountable for suggesting to the 11 year old that he should do this??
Report Post »GeeWhiz
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:14amSo following the advice of his therapist quietly, without broadcasting it in the classroom, somehow he’s being charged with interfering with the classroom? They didn’t want to press charges but then, how did the police even know about this? Because they were called by the school, the police searched for SOME way to charge this kid, and this is all that they could come up with.
Once they get through this ridiculous court process, they need to pull the kid and he needs to attend school somewhere else.
Report Post »fourfreedom
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:47amI find this odd considering the school that allows kids to bring their knives to school as it is part of their religion and a kid draws and boom he gets halled away? Misuse of power and show of force.
Report Post »Time or private and or home school.
Buck Bagaw
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:15amCity of Arvada / 8101 Ralston Rd. / P.O. Box 8101 / Arvada CO 80001-8101. (720) 898-7000.
Report Post »There is no Dept. of Stupidity and Poor Judgement on their website, I already checked. Why they are wasting their time trying to ruin this kid’s life is beyond me as there is plenty of real CRIME going on in their area. Maybe they thought they should stop this kid before he starts drawing the much more dangerous stick machine guns.
jerry1945
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:14amStupidity is rampant
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:12amWe arrest children now for being non PC, while the administration will do nothing for the four killed christian missionaries who’s yacht was taken by the pirates. Once again the hypocrisy of the POTUS is made manifest for all to see.
Report Post »Warphead
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:52amCome on now. You know as well as I do these pirates are just misunderstood. Why, their poor and most likely come from broken homes. Their fathers probably didn’t tell them that they loved them. For God’s sake, they were spanked by their mothers. I mean if you just take a moment to sit and talk with them. I mean they really don’t want to hurt anybody. They are just being demonized by the rich who can’t understand their plight.
Report Post »Yeah right. The answer to their problems is the 7.62×39 plan.
SEC777
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:00pmI disagree. A child drew a picture of a murder and wrote a threat. In today’s world, where guns are everywhere, tough love is definitely needed.
Report Post »Tnredneck
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:59pmHey snow, they won’t do any thing to the real criminals period. At least down south where I live the small communities still allow us to take the law in our own hands. God gave us a gift of 4 dogs thru animal rescue. Jack russel mutt mix that understand who the alpha leader is. Kids need the same training….. Not hard, go study the wolfpack and learn. Any way a troubled teen about 180 pounds tried to approach my 12 year old daughter while she was out playing. It was clear what his intent wasand luckily she had the male dog buddy with her. Long story short the youth ended up in the hospital with reconstructive surgery after our 30 pound jack russel mix tore his hand off. I figured I was in for a lawsuit and the police said the dog is a hero and in this community criminals don’t get pc treatment. Parents, you are the alfa leader whether you are training your pet or your children. In this case it really paid off because dogs like children will respect you and protect you if trained properly. And at least where I live the law still respects our rights and to heck with the criminal
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:13pmSEC777
Report Post »Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:00pm
I disagree. A child drew a picture of a murder and wrote a threat. In today’s world, where guns are everywhere, tough love is definitely needed.
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School should contact the parents & tell them , hey we have a situation here & let’s see how we can work this out .
I’m not against tough love but come on arresting an 11 year old , I’m sure that cops have more important things to do .
BrerRabbit
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:10amHomeschool.
Report Post »keepthefaith
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:05amI do! The best thing I have ever done for my kids.
Report Post »Highland
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:10amHandcuffs, really? Good grief.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:21amThe kid needs his ass whipped, not arrest. But of course, he’s “attention deficit” which means that he has not once ever had his parents say “no” nor pay attention to him, so fat chance of that happening.
Cops show up for everything now, anybody notice that? Except of course when politicians openly and blatantly break the law, at which point we’re told to be quiet that there are more important things to worry about.
The cops need to go away, the kid needs to be removed from “therapy and disciplined (probably for the first time in his life). Mom and dad need to decide which one stays home, and then raise their kids instead of ignoring them.
Peace out.
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:23amTell me about it, PC run amok at the speed of thought in the land now; this is an example of what a future dominated by the progressives will look like if we allow them the final win in the end.
Report Post »LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:28amwow I’m glad they got this future ““ Cereal ” Killer in time lol
Report Post »nothingbuthetruth
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:31am@REV. everyone needs to read Rev post.
Push back parents to this kind of abuse of power. Arresting this kid is going to bring more harm and take more rights away from the parents. Push back against the Zero tolerence in schools. It is creating a bunch of mindless communists, like the ones who sit around and do nothing when someone is getting pounded on in front of them in Ihop or Denny’s or anywhere else.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:32amHere, I got a stick figure for ya. Whats wrong will seem right and whats right will seem wrong. I think it’s time to start looking for the anti Christ. Doesn’t it come out of europe? America doesn’t exist in the Bible. Now I know why.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:37amShoot the fascist cops.
Ooohhhh I hope I don’t get arrested now for venting at this ridiculous example of police state officiousness. I reallly hate police who act this way. They DO deserve to be punished for such treasonous activity, for making a mockery of law and law enforcement betrays the pronciples of freedom and reasonable law that this country is founded on.
At the very least a public flogging is warranted.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:51am.
Report Post »Sounds like some school distric and a police dept need to remove the stick stuck up their……….
Boss J
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:32amIs anyone else noticing that the police seem to be the ones overreacting to these situations nowadays? It used to be that the police had enough damn sense to understand that it’s an 11 yr old and would NEVER have put that poor kid through this crap. I live in CO and this is the new norm out here. We just had a kid arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon for shooting another kid with one of those air-soft, the little yellow BB’s, gun. Deadly weapon?!?!
Report Post »urrybr
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:38amYeah! Take the dangerous 11 year-old to jail. Leave the crooks in Congress and White House to continue to steal us blind.
I used to draw “battle scenes” during school. I had ADHD, and had to move some part of my body. My drawings fit that need . . . as it still does. Our schools seem to be a big, if not the biggest, part of the problem.
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:51amBefore you all go “oh my God…how stupid!” …let me point out that one of the Columbine shooters posted an animated stick figure video on a website less than 2 weeks before he and his partner did their damage. You have to take these things serious.
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 10:55amI forgot to mention that the animated stick figure video he posted was of a lone stick figure killing dozens of people with various weapons…complete with spurting blood.
Report Post »solaveritas
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:05am@ Creestof
You say he posted a drawing showing dozens of people being killed with various weapons. Where? Bad facts make horrible prosecution.
Handcuffs? If he didn’t need therapy, he does now.
I was a Juvenile “prosecutor”. These charges are waaaay over the top. Abuse of discretion. No good judge will agree, but the damage will already have been done. Parents, elect a new District Attorney.
Report Post »Creestof
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:15am@solaveritas
Just so we are clear, this child did not post the video…one of the Columbine shooters did. It was first posted on a website for amateur artists/animatersand so on. It then found its way (after the shooting) to a site called Ebaums World, and later to the same site (that I no cannot recall) which showed from start to finish the beheading of the young American…which I am ashamed to say I do not remember any longer.
I have looked online for the video a few times over the last few years but have had no success. But I watched it several times after the shooting…given what he did shortly afterwards it was very disturbing to view…viewed prior to the shooting, it would just look like some bored kids sad attempt at animation.
Report Post »VTDave
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:50am@GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:21am
The kid needs his ass whipped, not arrest. But of course, he’s “attention deficit” which means that he has not once ever had his parents say “no” nor pay attention to him, so fat chance of that happening
OK, I was not going to post a comment until I read this comment. I happen to have a daughtered diagnosed with ADHD and she is currently on meds. My wife and I expended several years saying “no” and using the same style of discipline that was used on us as children (I’m 44 so that you know what style I mean). Our marriage was almost destroyed by the behavior that we were trying to straighten out on our own. It took a lot for me to give in to having her see a behavioral specialist and then be put on meds but it has made a signicant improvement on our lives. It is by no means perfect but a hell of a lot better than it was. So, all I ask is that you put your ignorance aside and maybe educate yourself on ADHD before you make another assinine comment like the one you made. I used to think just like you in regards to ADHD and I can attest to you that traditional discipline does not work on a child that is truly afflicted with ADHD.
Report Post »SmokinBugsy
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:59amCome On Man! Has it really gotten this bad in our country? Handcuff a 11 year old for drawing a picture! Sorry “Freedom of speech” and “Common Sense” there is no place for you in America anymore. Truly SAD SAD SAD story!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:19pm@VTDAVE
Yes yes, there are cases of hyperactivity in the world of children, no question, sorry you have had the trials you have. It seems however that “adhd” is a horrible affliction that affects 1 out of ever 1 children these days, especially if those children are “male”. I have “pulled my head out of the sand” and looked into ADHD. While there are *true* cases of hyperactivity they are by no means as frequent as we’re told.
If you want to get to the root of 95% of ADHD, look towards homes with both parents working and nobody paying attention to Junior, combined with schools trying desperately to do away with all things masculine and make boys into neutered geldings right out of the gate.
The other 5% are probably legit, and surprisingly, not always male. Go figure.
Report Post »jbl8199
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:46pmThis just isn’t right. Heck I have ADD so I know what it’s like. You have to find something to keep you busy or your mind just goes all over the place. They should have just suspended him and put him in some extra counseling or something instead of this. I think they went a little too far with this one.
Report Post »neverfinal
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:47pmBoys have always played with guns and drawn pictures of soldiers with guns. My 7 year old wants to be in the Military or a policeman. This is normal for boys. My husband hunts with him and does target practice and teaches gun safety, etc..Little boy’s grow up to be men and men are protectors of their families.
Report Post »They see our soldier’s on TV and look at them with admiration and love for Country.
Maybe our schools are just the liars we have seen lately and want to take the guns, so we can’t defend ourselves. Or teach children to be whimps and that guns are bad?
BenInNY
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:52pm@creestof Jeez, I wonder how many people Rob Lewis has killed… Check out stickdeath.com He’s been doing flash animations of stick figures killing each other for well over a decade. Should he be arrested?
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 12:52pmIts a good thing the teachers I had never kept any of my doodles . when teachers are taught zero tolerance,and not “common sense” this kind of crap happens.
Report Post »ilovethiscountry
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:09pmAs a mother with two ADD children I can attest that “ass whipping” doesn’t work.
If every kid who wanted to kill teachers was put in handcuffs and lead off to jail, they would have to have more jail sapce than classroom space.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:28pm@VTDave
Lay of Ghost, he is dead on.
ADHD = sharp indipindent child.
Add meds a therapist and public school = slow docile child with head full of the crap therapists spew.
Instead ………..
1) Add a school that teaches them at their pace instead of making them wait for the moron’s kids to catch up. (hint..that would not be a public school)
2) Add an unselfish mom that stays home and does her job making a home, and raising the next generation instead of pawning it off to the state, MTV, and video games so she can have a career.
3) Then add a dad that does his job by being a proper provider, leader, and example.
That would not include drinking excessively, knocking up his secretary, knocking his family around or focusing his life on ME TIME.
That would include putting his God and then his wife before himself.
That would include leading by example.
That would include praising good behavior and tanning their butts when they earn it.
What you get = An intelligent, well grounded leader type, a winner, with the potential to make a difference in society.
Or you could settle for the drugged out PC short bus that needs a nanny state to tell them when and where to crap, with a head full of the same = liberal.
What is wrong with the kids today? The answer is selfish parents making the wrong choice.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:33pm@GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:21am
“The kid needs his ass whipped, not arrest.”
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I didn’t get much farther along than that much.
The child needs to have some things explained to him.
Report Post »And the police need to have some things explained to THEM!
waggie
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 1:53pmGhostofJefferson: Who the heck are you to say what this kid needs? How do you know what discipline his parents have or have not given him? Man, people like you drive me crazy. You have no idea how these people discipline their child, you know little if anything of the situation. Yet here you sit to tell them how to handle the situation and how to discipline their kid. You‘re one of these people who thinks you know the answers to everyone else’s problems when you probably need to look in the mirror!
Report Post »Doing Hard Things
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:22pmHandcuffs? Cops? An 11 year old? We get all flustered by the “potential threat” of an 11 year old boy. The boy should be told not to do that and deserves some sort of discipline, but I don’t know if scaring the heck outta him with police and force is REALLY the brightest idea ever.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:43pm@waggie You can tell a kids parents by the kid.
“You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears.”
Report Post »whybother
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 2:57pmyeah….this kid gets arrested but animals attack in IHOP and go free….lovely!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 4:20pm@waggie
“GhostofJefferson: Who the heck are you to say what this kid needs? How do you know what discipline his parents have or have not given him? ”
Based off of experience with people I’ve had who had kids “with ADHD”. I’ve not met one actual authentic case of hyperactivity yet, but lots of indignant parents more concerned with “me me me” than “family family family”. Most of them get quite upset if you suggest that they might want to focus more on Junion than they do on their Mercedes. I have noted that real hyperactivity exists, but it‘s nowhere near where we’re told.
“Man, people like you drive me crazy. You have no idea how these people discipline their child, you know little if anything of the situation. Yet here you sit to tell them how to handle the situation and how to discipline their kid.”
Given what the story indicated, the 11 year old was doing what every other 11 year old boy prior to 1992 has done. That’s not ADHD.
“You‘re one of these people who thinks you know the answers to everyone else’s problems when you probably need to look in the mirror!”
That’s a great saying, unfortunately, “look in the mirror” makes no sense. Are you suggesting that I am ADHD? Seriously, I don’t get it, the sentence didn’t really make sense.
Report Post »Scorchem
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:22pmCounseling and investigation for hidden problems such as parent behavior might be appropriate, except that counselors can only tell you what’s wrong, they can‘t fix it and the investigation may reveal problems at home that can’t be changed. Then what do you do; wait until the pictures turn into reality?
Report Post »ascoolone
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:36pmthis is zero Torrence policies for ya. it makes children criminals and mainly the boys.
Report Post »Tigertame4
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 5:39pmTo “GhostofJefferson”: Exactly WHY does this kid need his “ass whipped?“ He was doing what his ”therapist” recommended. The therapist needed to get a clue and teach appropriate ways of dealing with frustration AND what IS and IS NOT appropriate. As to ADD it is a real disorder and can be seen in brain imagery. Ask Glenn Beck, HE has it and is very talented as a result.
I have seen the same thing happen before. I was a group home supervisor and one client we had for TWO years inpatient was there for the exact same thing, except our client drew a person driving over other stick figures saying “die.” Again, it was a therapist who recommended the drawing. I think the therapists mean well but forget that people HAVE to deal with the REAL world and its rules including political correctness.
Report Post »FromtheBasement
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 6:21pm@GhostofJefferson, much like @VTDave, I wasn’t going to reply, but as I read your further comments, I had to weigh in.
Much like you, I was very suspicious of the whole ADHD thing. One of my nephews was diagnosed with it and I chalked it up to bad parenting. My youngest has been diagnosed with it now, and I feel very differently. Our story is very much like VTDave’s was. In fact, I thought he was taking a page from my life in his first reply.
I’m going to chalk your reaction to ADHD up to ignorance on the subject. You’re welcome to your opinion, of course. Making such a sweeping decision about a well-researched and well documented disorder is like believing that all of Iran has no hateful intentions towards Israel and wants to have a peaceful and respectful relationship with them. In other words, it goes against the facts.
In this case, the fact that this kid has ADHD is irrelevant. Arresting, detaining, and questioning an 11 year old for a stick-firgure picture he drew in school is insane and, I suspect, borderline illegal. Why isn’t the ACLU screaming that the police violated his rights to free speech? What I suspect happened is that it frightened an overly sensitive teacher, who then failed to get satisfaction from the principle in dealing with the supposed problem. After school the teacher, probably called the cops and complained about “threats to his/her life” this child had made, a completely false allegation.
The charge of “interfering with staff and students at an educational facility” is simply an embarrassed cop trying to save face. How in the world is drawing a picture “interfering with staff and students?” Good grief.
Report Post »ClockKing
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:05pmI want to know the hell is going on in some cops’ heads. Seriously, are they that damn stupid?
Report Post »Water Man
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 7:18pmAmen to that Ghost!
Report Post »random357
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 8:41pmWhat a crock. Ab eleven year old? I hope the parents sue.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:14pmTo GhostOfJefferson Posted on February 22, 2011 at 9:21am
The kid needs his ass whipped, not arrest. But of course, he’s “attention deficit” which means that he has not once ever had his parents say “no” nor pay attention to him, so fat chance of that happening.
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I don’t think either you or I are in a position to determine what this child needs or does not need.
However, I can not fathom why you determined that a child who has not been in trouble before needs to be whipped. Teachers will often refer children to counselors when the students can not sit in class quietly and all too frequently, the diagnosis that comes back is ADD.
I also find it quite incredible that you seem to know so much about the parents and their style of parenting. Children who have strict parents are just as likely to have a diagnosis of ADD as parents who are more tolerant.
We expect our youngsters to sit in classrooms for anywhere between six to eight hours a day with very little opportunity to get up and move about and when they squirm, they are labeled and drugged. They are not allowed to have opinions, viewpoints or express themselves in any way but other than what the school determines.
We are slowly turning into a militaristic society where only conformity is allowed. Because this child actually followed his therapist’s instructions, he was arrested. And to add insult to injury, you’d like to beat the daylights out of him. Glad I’m not related to you in any way, shape or form.
Report Post »Fiddlesoup
Posted on February 22, 2011 at 11:31pm@ozz
I’m starting here, because I’ve been taking pharmacy-related classes, and it falls within my area of direct knowledge. ADHD is treated with stimulants. These stimulants replace neurotransmitters, which make it easier to focus (which in turn makes it easier for the child to control their behavior), but does not make them “slow” or “docile” (which is a popular misconception).
@GhostOfJefferson
Dead wrong on so many counts. First of all, the condition is called ADHD, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, not “a case of hyperactivity.” Hyperactivity is a symptom, so it’s a little like referring to influenza as “a case of fatigue.” It doesn’t help you identify the problem. Hyperactivity can in fact be caused by other things, and not every child with ADHD presents overt hyperactivity.
The three main symptoms are inattentiveness, impulsiveness, and hyperactivity.
There are three types: Primarily Inattentive (called ADD prior to 1994), Primarily Hyperactive-Impulsive, and Combined Hyperactive-Impulsive and Inattentive. The diagnosis rate is 3 to 5 % worldwide, with roughly 2 to 4 times as many diagnoses in boys as in girls.
By the way, I have ADHD myself. I’ve had problems with this attitude my entire life. In middle school there was an administrator who was convinced my problem was discipline, and that she was going to “cure” me. In the end, it didn’t work, and after 2 years of my parents spending almost as much time at my school as I did (they were very involved), she lost her job.
Report Post »no1jyd
Posted on February 23, 2011 at 1:52amSorry folks but someone probably said the same thing about dahlmer at one time. Parents take charge of your children, not the other way around, it does not work. I know if I would have pulled that crap no cops would have been needed. I would have had my ass whooped and sent to bed. As for the therapist that is an over paid BS artist who has no real medical or psycological evidence to back him When is everyone going to wake up and tell the ruling class to stay out of my life. ADD ADHD is all BS it is called lack of discipline and structure. Turn off the TV the video games and the computer or at least limit the childs access. Oh I am sorry you probably cannot even do that yourself. Think about it folks. Have a good one and take care.
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