18-Year-Old Considers Civil Suit After Jury Finds Cops Illegally Arrested Him for Openly Carrying Rifle in Mich.

Sean Combs Could Sue City After Winning Open Carry Gun Case

Sean Combs (Bloomfield-Bloomfield Hills Patch)

While some anti-gun enthusiasts may find it unpalatable, in many states it is not illegal to openly carry a gun while walking down the street. And when stopped and asked about it, one doesn’t have to produce ID to inquiring officials.

So is the case in Michigan. And 18-year-old Sean Combs is educating plenty of people on the issue after a jury sided with him last week following an arrest for carrying his loaded M-1 rifle down Michigan streets and refusing to initially show identification when questioned by police.

It happened on April 13 in Birmingham, Mich. At the time, Combs was stopped by police after having the vintage rifle strapped to his back. He was told to show ID but refused. The Observer and Eccentric has more on what happened next:

Michigan is an open carry state that does not require a person to produce ID when stopped by the police. In this case, however, the three officers involved in the arrest each testified they wanted to see some ID from Combs because he did not appear to be 18, the legal age to openly carry a firearm.

When he refused to produce ID, they arrested him. He was charged with brandishing a firearm in public, disturbing the peace and obstructing a police officer. Judge Marc Barron of the 48th District Court dismissed the third charge on a lack of evidence.

“Michigan law does not require anyone to produce ID on demand,” Combs’s attorney, Jim Makowski, told the local CBS affiliate. ‘They were rude and disrespectful to my client from the get-go.

“Nobody called 911, nobody was following him … That was it, he was minding his own business,” he said, and added that the crowd formed because the police were “harassing” Combs.

“I was just exercising my rights,” Combs, a recent high school graduate, testified in the case. “Freedom of expression, freedom of speech.”

And the jury agreed.

“We upheld the law,” Rev. Julius DelPino, a jury member, told the local Patch site. “Based on how the law is written, (Combs) was not breaking the law.”

But while jurors rejected the city’s argument, at least one juror thinks the law should be changed.

“I think there’s a hole in the statute,” told the Observer and Eccentric. “To me, I think the legislature needs to couple this open carry law with a requirement that people show ID when they’re asked to show it. We have such laws for drinking or for getting a driver’s license. I think if you’re going to carry a gun around, it seems reasonable that you should have to identify yourself if there’s a requirement that you have to be 18.”

As a result of the verdict, Combs is considering a civil suit against the city. Combs’s lawyer explained that he requested several times that the case be dismissed, but the city refused.

“We tried to get the city to see reason on over a half-dozen occasions, we asked them to dismiss the case, we said ‘We’ll absorb out attorney fees, just dismiss the case.’ The city chose to go forward anyway,” Makowski said.

“I can tell you one thing, we offered to dismiss this case without any cost to the city of Birmingham on over six occasions, they chose not to,” he told the local CBS affiliate. “If there is a civil suit, I think people need to ask ‘Why wasn’t this case dismissed before trial?’”

While many people may not know it, open carry is permitted in numerous states, including Arizona, Montana, and Virginia. Some may be surprised to know open carry is not permitted in historically gun-friendly states such Oklahoma and Texas.

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  • rusooperman
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:07pm

    This kid was just stiring up trouble. There is no need to get in anyones face about your right to carry. If I see some punk kid walking down the street with a military rifle on his back, you can count on me calling the cops. Someone else may take matters into their own hands. It may be your right kid, but don’t be stupid. People get hurt that way.

    I conceal carry here in Utah. Whenever I have had contact with a police officer, out of courtesy, I tell them I am armed. They have always thanked me. It is about being responsible. The judge should throw out the case. Where the hell are this kids parents?

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    • randy
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:14pm

      There is no need to get in anyones face about your sexuality either.
      So take a hike buddy.

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    • Make them stop
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:21pm

      The man is 18 years old, I am from this area and Birmingham is a well to do city. I think the person was testing the water.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:23pm

      You sound ingorant. Out of a courtsey you tell them you have a gun? No its the law if you come in contact with them to say you have a gun. Its our right as Americans to have a gun and carry it with us. Are you unAmerica? Why would you call the cops. The kid was using hs rights.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:25pm

      rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:20pm
      Maybe I will hike by your house with my AR15 and see how you feel about it. The kid is a piece of sh*t!

      We wish you would. My guns are bigger than yours. I promise. Come get some. How dare you threaten someone. You sound like a paid democratic SHILL.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:30pm

      Of course he was testing the waters. He knew he was going to get arrested; as he should have been. He could have been on his way to the high school for all they knew. Just stupid.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:37pm

      I wasn’t making a threat, and you are making my point for me. If a guy is walking around your nieborhood with an assult rifle, you are being threatend. So you are telling me that you would pull out your “big guns” if I came by your house with mine? Thank you for backing me up. This idiot should thank his lucky stars someone didn’t put him down before the cops got there.

      And, no, I do not have to tell the officer I am armed. Not in Utah anyway. It is the right thing to do for the saftey of myself and the officer.

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    • Altair
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:38pm

      Punk kid ? A law-abiding American of legal age can’t carry a rifle out in the open now?

      People like you are much of America’s problem.

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    • SnowKalBebes
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:40pm

      In defense of the police, the kid does not look 18

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:56pm

      This isnt 1930s Nazi Germany, I DONT have to show my papers, if ive done nothing worng. These rights that you republicans so carelessly toss out our here to protect us from out of control government. Maybe we should all just disarm? Maybe we should just burn the constutition. Maybe we should just start a world government…Hell No. Ill keep my guns, you can keep the change.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:58pm

      How could anyone know that he was a law-abiding citizen when he refuses to tell anyone who he is?!?!? Yeah we can carry our guns. Thank God for that right. But this idiot is the problem, not me. He wants to run around the streets threatening the public. This is the kind of irresponsible behavior they will site when they come for your guns. Don’t stand behind this kid.

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:34pm

      RUSOOPERMAN What a moron. He was not breaking any laws, since you support the harassment of people not breaking any laws then YOU are part of the problem. If someone does not like the laws or the perceived lack of laws then change them, but enforcing laws that do not exist lead to civil suits as this will.

      “The judge should throw out the case.”

      Are you sane? He was arrested for breaking no laws. I hope you get arrested breaking no laws. Again, don’t like the laws then change them.

      “Maybe I will hike by your house with my AR15 and see how you feel about it.”

      Ah, threats from a windbag from behind a computer. You are a typical nutless wonder, come visit me coward.

      “The kid is a piece of sh*t!”

      Again, he was breaking no law. It’s you that are the piece of sh*t! Why don’t you just go back to stroking it over an obama pic. With all of the people breaking the law you whine about this guy breaking no law? What a winner you are.

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    • Seede
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:54pm

      RUSOOPERMAN
      Better reread the article. He is not a kid. He is legal age to open carry and that means that you cannot fault his parents for anything. The guy is a man so get over your bias attitude. I hope he sues the crap out of those fancy butt heads and makes a fortune doing it. The lawyers today are the butt heads who did not know the law and wanted to stick it to him. Change the law if you don‘t like the law but don’t penalize a guy for using the law.

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    • apbt55
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:55pm

      No RUSOOPERMAN, it is the right and RESPONSIBILITY of each citizen to be at ALL times armed. That is the intent of the second amendment, our founders and our duty as Americans. I believe this man was following the words of one of our great presidents who’s life was cut short.

      “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily lives, and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.” — John Fitzgerald Kennedy

      “The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” —– Thomas Jefferson

      I live in an open carry state that forgot for a while it was. But we have a large number of citizens that are reminding the people it is their duty to be armed at all times to protect themselves. In order to create an atmosphere where criminals (the biggest being overbearring gov’t) realize everyone is armed and to leave them alone, we must actually act that way.
      And don’t forget what Jesus Says in Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe;”

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    • MarylandPatriot
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:14pm

      RUSOOPERMAN, you acting as if this man was walking around with gun in hand looking around with a craze look on his face. If anyone has a problem with this guy doing this because its scary then maybe they should perhaps look into exercising their right to carry too.

      “Maybe I will hike by your house with my AR15 and see how you feel about it. The kid is a piece of sh*t!”
      I don’t think WAKEUPUSA2012 made your point, his point is if you come around his house carrying a gun, your not going to scare him because he has ways of protecting himself. So its a little silly to think he made your point

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    • Seadawg
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:27pm

      So let me ask you this, was the military just stirring up trouble when they paraded their guns in the neighborhoods of St. Louis for a training exercise? Should we have stopped them and harassed them for their identification? Maybe the young man was just trying to re-establish a presence of our own constitutional rights within his community.

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    • rc30
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:44pm

      That the problem. We all freak out when people have guns. Back not to long ago everyone carried a gun. What happen when you drive down the road and see a pickup with a rifle in the back window. We didn’t freak then. People this is what happens when you get 30 years of guns are bad BS. I think this kid did a brave thing. Is the bad guy going to rob a person carrying a gun. Or move to next guy I wonder.
      We as a people need to get over this. If most bad people knew 90% of people carry a gun. Would crime be as bad I don’t think so. I lived in Flint Michigan tell 09. I live in Texas west Texas. Its funny my home town has around 150.000 people and is the murder capital in the USA. Dallas and Fort Worth have like 2.5 Million and allot fewer murders then Flint Michigan. I wonder why more hard drug cartells here. I think its because they know we will blow there dam heads off. Most people here have guns and people respect each other.

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    • 73chevy
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:47pm

      It seems you are intimidated by the “military rifle”, the famous M1 Garand which is now a fine collectors piece that is probably older than you. No laws were broke get over it and keep dreaming of your “boy” Soros

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    • chazmo
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:51pm

      Ya you love the facist state of the Police. Cower to your slave masters. Sorry pal but, you are the problem in this country.

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    • chazmo
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:53pm

      @rusooperman
      Come by to home with your AR and threaten me and it will be the last place you ever go… You sir are why we have become slaves to the State. Enjoy it.

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    • angryamerican33
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:33pm

      i open carry here in ohio and never have to tell anyone I,m carrying.Exercise your rights or loose them.Ohio has the same law,since I am not breaking any laws I am not obligated to provide identification.I ask why was I stopped ,if they say because I,m armed,I just say,am I free to go,if not,demand a supervisor and remain silent.If detained illegaly SUE!

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:34pm

      All of you have a problem with my comment about walking by some dude house with my AR15. Why? Because it is a threat. What are you going to do when some dude is walking by your kid’s school like that. Hypocrites! You would be the first ones to snipe him. He was not being a responsible citizen. He was looking for a fight.

      Go ahead and strap up, go walking the streets, refuse to identify yourselves, and see where it gets you. Yeah, he didn’t break any laws and after he was identified he should have been released without charges. Yes, you can be detained in this country until you are identified.

      You sound like a bunch of hill-billy survivalists. NO ONE will ever take my guns from me while I am breathing. But I am not going to parade around the street with a WWII rifle harassing people.

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    • Peasant W Pitchfork
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:38pm

      This kid was just stiring up trouble. There is no need to get in anyones face about your right to carry. If I see some punk kid walking down the street with a military rifle on his back, you can count on me calling the cops. Someone else may take matters into their own hands. It may be your right kid, but don’t be stupid. People get hurt that way.

      I conceal carry here in Utah. Whenever I have had contact with a police officer, out of courtesy, I tell them I am armed. They have always thanked me. It is about being responsible. The judge should throw out the case. Where the hell are this kids parents?

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    • Peasant W Pitchfork
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:52pm

      Maybe I will hike by your house with my AR15 and see how you feel about it.

      The kid is a piece of sh*t!

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:58pm

      rusooperman

      99% of us disagree with you. Are we all “hill-billy survivalists”? Yes, In sorts. We are salt of the earth God fearing people. Just like our founders. It sounds so foreign to you that a man walking down the streets with a gun on his back is CRAZY. When in truth, its not at all. You say you would die for your gun rights and you thank Gd for them, but yet you will role over anytime a thug with a badge tells you too. Real men dont lick boots. When real men know they are in the right, you dont back down. You wouldnt understand cause you are brainwashed by the MSM and out government. But dont worry soon us hill-billy survivalists will be few and far between because when the ish hits the fan, we are the first to go. There might be time for you. But you need to tune in really learn history and pray. And your arguement about waking around school with a gun is a fraud, cause us legal gun owners know, you dont go within a mile of a school with a open carry gun. And you dont step foot on school property with a CHL. He didnt have to show his ID. Again, this is not NAZI Germany in the 30s. I dont have to show my papers if I havent done anything wrong. Please join us man. We need good principled people. The NWO is coming.

      http://www.infowars.com/un-gun-grab-follows-state-department-plan/

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    • Judeo_Christian
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:03pm

      The kid was walking down the street with a firearm which is perfectly legal. The police wouldn’t even think about arresting a person burning a US Flag in protest. They wouldnt stop them and ask the protesters name. Both might be against your own set of morals, but neither are illegal or cause of any police action other than monitoring. This was heavy handed police and prosecutorial thuggary. The kid did everyone a favor!

      ““The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men.”
      ― Samuel Adams

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:06pm

      This shooting at Trolley Square here in Salt Lake City is the reason I responsibly carry a firearm at all times. It is also the reason this guy needed to be taken off the streets. I will defend my second amendment rights with my last breath and drop of blood. But this kid is out picking a fight. He does not understand or respect the God given honor and right of carrying a weapon.

      http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=888784

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:15pm

      Every responsible citizen in this mall should have been carrying a weapon. Teresa Ellis (deceased) was one of my co-workers. An 18 year old kid walked into the mall and started firing randomly. And you idiots don’t want this kid checked out? You are fools.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:23pm

      Thats a awful and tragic thing. If that was my town, I would be sad and mad myself cause thats home. Let me make clear whenever I lived in a normal neighborhood I never opened carry, I never saw anyone open carry (at that time). But if there was a alert gun carrying citizen at the same time all that happened maybe only one dies instead of five? “When you give up your liberties for security, you loose booth and deserve neither” Ben Franklin said that.You get scared with the idea of open carry. You shouldnt.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:24pm

      I don’t “lick the boots” of the fine men and women who enforce our public laws. I respect them for being the everyday heroes they are. They lay their live on the line for us every day. Sure there may be one or two who have stepped over the line of authority, but for the most part they are honorable people who hold the law in the highest respect.

      Given the choice between defending those officers and this trouble maker, I will err on the side of civility and defend the police officers.

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    • Peasant W Pitchfork
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:41pm

      RUSOOPERMAN
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:07pm
      This kid was just stiring up trouble. There is no need to get in anyones face about your right to carry. If I see some punk kid walking down the street with a military rifle on his back, you can count on me calling the cops. Someone else may take matters into their own hands. It may be your right kid, but don’t be stupid. People get hurt that way.

      I conceal carry here in Utah. Whenever I have had contact with a police officer, out of courtesy, I tell them I am armed. They have always thanked me. It is about being responsible. The judge should throw out the case. Where the hell are this kids parents?
      =================================
      Obviously U R not Sooperman
      Sean was not getting in anyone’s face. The police got in Sean’s face and more. So you would call the police, fine. They should tell you he isn’t breaking the law, have a nice day. Or at most approach him and ask for ID and follow him if he doesn’t show.

      And Sean’s parents seem to have raised a fine young man. Have a nice day and bless your little heart.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:45pm

      WakeupUSA2012

      I absolutely understand it is a right to open carry. Around here it is actually fairly common. I was just at the store not two hours ago and a gentleman was kind enough to tell me my shirt had come up over my firearm. It was a courtesy. No one is upset that we carry guns. Most people respect that right and are not intimidated. The point I have been trying to make is that this kid is doing it to cause a stir and for no other reason.

      I would love to see a gun on the side of everyone walking the street. But as long as there are disrespectful idiots like this kid running around, they will continue to seek to take away our rights. He was just being a jerk, not exercising his rights.

      Put yourself in that officers shoes. Do you let this kid go and find out he goes Cleabold and Harris on the local high school? Or do you check him out thoroughly? The officer did what was right by detaining him. They should have let him go when the realized he wasn’t a threat.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:47pm

      For the most part I agree with you on everything you said about our police. Where I disagree is where you say sure there might be on or two who have steped out of the line. There is alot more stepping out of the line everyday. They think they can harass people and that the laws dont apply to them. In north Texas the cops are great. Sure there are a few bad ones. but for the most part its cops in cities like New York and LA and Seattle. Seattle has horrible cops. They slap pregnant women and all sorts of stuff. I use to live up there. I dont have to show my papers if im standing at a gas station or I dont have to let you search my car. These rights are here to protect the people. But our police have become militarzied. Its all out of control. Im on the side of civil liberties.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:54pm

      http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 12:00am

      I understand the cautious approach as to who we give that great authority. But I have to believe there are more good than bad. We had some of our military men and women do some horrible things in the wars they are fighting right now. But as a whole our soldiers are the greatest human beings on the face of the earth. I am honored to breath the same air.

      We must stay vigilant in defending our rights to carry arms. We can’t let trouble makers like this kid put our rights in jeopardy.

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    • eric6161
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 12:03am

      Lots of people these days do the “in your face” thing… It irritates me when homosexuals have to let me know how they have sex… and I never even asked. At least this kid never bothered anyone about his rights he just exercised them – kind of like don‘t ask don’t tell.

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 12:10am

      Thanks for hearing my opinion anyway. Looks like it solely belongs to me.

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    • banjarmon
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 1:35am

      The Second Amendment – Right to Bear Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be INFRINGED.

      This is MY RIGHT to OWN and to BEAR ARMS PERIOD!!!!

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    • conard3
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 4:43am

      rusooperman, you are the reason there can be problems when someone open carries “I’ll go over to your house with my AR-15″ blah blah blah. What a moron. I have CCW in Ohio. I usually conceal but when I am in bad areas… I open carry on my hip. Never had a problem. You know why? Because the people who are illegally carrying know I’m not carrying because it looks pretty.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 5:31am

      Russooperman, you keep saying he was wajking around with his gun harrassing people well he wasn’t or the arrest would,ve stuck. by your reasoning those people that sat at the woolsworth lunch counter were harrassing people too, they were just exercising their civil rights,as was this young man. If you come by my house with your Ar-15,as long as you were handling it in a safe and proper manner,I would probably invite to go to the range with me,I would’nt freak out.Carrying it on your back doesn’t constitute brandishing it.btw my 14yo. also has an Ar-15 also along with an 870 express supermagnum and a couple of pistols.

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    • THERAPTURCOMES
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 10:20am

      Key word ‘Courtesy’

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    • Gremlin1974
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 2:36pm

      RUSOOPERMAN, are you mentally challenged in some way? That question is just as fair as your characterization of this story.

      “This kid was just stiring up trouble.” – Exercising your rights is not stirring up trouble.

      “There is no need to get in anyones face about your right to carry.” – I completely disagree since this right is under attack from so many fronts, not just the right to carry but even the right to own/possess by liberals, more people should be getting in people’s faces.

      “If I see some punk kid walking down the street with a military rifle on his back, you can count on me calling the cops.” – what makes him a punk kid? Also, since the rifle was in a storage position calling the cops makes you an unreasonable reactionary.

      “Someone else may take matters into their own hands. It may be your right kid, but don’t be stupid. People get hurt that way.” – What “matters” would anyone take into their own hands? You are implying that you would have attacked or confronted him? Also, if someone did take “matters into their own hands” that would make them a criminal, period, and subject to arrest.

      “I conceal carry here in Utah. Whenever I have had contact with a police officer, out of courtesy, I tell them I am armed. They have always thanked me. It is about being responsible.” – I don’t know about Utah but here you are required to tell the cops you are armed, not to mention the only sane thing to do.

      Your last 2 sentences are correct and i

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:09pm

      you’re a dumba$$ it was an M-1. i‘m sure he’ll really mow people down with that.

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    • BobtheMoron
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:45pm

      Used to carry my .22 rifle all the time in Alabama. Never was stopped and I was 12 or 13. Times have sure changed.

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    • Havok
      Posted on July 19, 2012 at 9:50am

      Please stop using the term “assault rifle”.
      Its a made up POLITICAL name.
      I have never seen a rifle assault anyone.

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    • AnonymousCitizen
      Posted on July 19, 2012 at 10:27am

      First, he’s not a kid. He is 18, a legal adult. Stop calling him a kid.

      Was he testing the waters, or stirring up trouble as some have said? Well, in a way, yes. You see, it is perfectly legal to openly carry firearms, as it is a baseball bat, or bowling ball. Our rights are being taken away. It’s our own fault for not exercising them.

      This young man is a hero for trying to reclaim our legal rights in this country. Hope he wins hiw civil lawsuit,

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    • AnAmericanToo
      Posted on July 19, 2012 at 1:18pm

      Oh how silly! it is legal to open carry then it is LEGAL to open carry …get over being hysterical at seeing someone with a gun. Geez! And you are from Utah too…
      I can’t believe that you would bother the police for something as time wasting as someone lawfully carrying a gun! Mind your own business….and stop being a big tattler when you have not observed anything criminal.

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    • DAS_NIETZSCHEAN
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:44pm

      your saying that you want the police to fight your fight??? your a coward. you should even post on this site.
      1.) the law ( the constitution) the Legal thing, makes it right….
      2.) if your not secure make yourself secure… know your neighbours, ask him what he’s doing and support him. seems he’s fighting and your HIDING. coward.
      3.) if gun control works so well, then why the 60 mil people dead from it. Know your history, educate yourself, your family. buy a gun yourself. your government sponsors will not tell you what is “legal,” government troll.
      4.) anyone who calls the police when they are not endangering or destroying property is en-fact a coward….. these people are why the POLICE think EVERYONE that is not them(police/government) is a criminal. just ask das fuhrer “Assault rifles belong in battlefield soldiers’ hands, not street criminals’, President Barack”
      So, what is in between soldiers and criminals (citizens). what makes citizens that have these weapons(tools) legally??? and not military? NO freedom. No liberty, only death.

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    • razorarrow
      Posted on July 30, 2012 at 12:09pm

      You Sir, you are the problem. You can’t understand freedom because your weak mind has been brain washed to follow in lock step. Just like the Germans in 1938 you love walking the walk and licking the jack boots you serve. They gave me a permit to carry LICK LICK! When I‘m in THEIR present I tell them I’m carrying. LICK LICK! He‘s just a punk walking down the street because I’m indoctrinated and I know punks when I see them. LICK LICK! If he did it in front of my house I’d call the cops because I serve the common good LICK LICK! If your walking down a street with a gun you MUST HAVE YOUR PAPERS! LICK LICK!!! Not one originating thought, based on the principles of freedom, swirls in your head. Yes sir freedom is where it is because of you and your weak minded, cowardice, ilk!!!!!!!!!! Go watch your Nazi goose stepping films and dream about all the boot licking you could have done then!

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  • Larry E
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:56pm

    I live in a state where open carry is legal, and the only reason a person needs a concealed carry permit is to carry concealed in a town, city, or railroad or logging camp . Out hiking or hunting or just wandering around outside of one of those places carry a gun any way you want. I’m sure that this upsets some people, but they’re still outnumbered here. We can also carry concealed guns in our vehicles without a permit as well. I can’t imagine a cop here stopping someone for open carry.

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  • BIgWheeler
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:39pm

    Does anyone want to join my “printing” campaign? It goes like this: In states that have concealed carry laws, you can usually be arrested for printing, or having the print of your gun visable through your clothes. In my campaign, we would carry empty holsters and allow them to print. When the cops question you, you reveal your empty holster (carefully!) and threaten legal action.

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    • seanscythe
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:15pm

      Sadly I bet he is going to have a hard time getting his gun back. They will claim it in the evidence and say they are holding it in case of future issues.

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    • Peasant W Pitchfork
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:57pm

      SEANSCYTHE
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:15pm
      Sadly I bet he is going to have a hard time getting his gun back. They will claim it in the evidence and say they are holding it in case of future issues.

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    • Peasant W Pitchfork
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 11:32pm

      SEANSCYTHE
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:15pm
      Sadly I bet he is going to have a hard time getting his gun back. They will claim it in the evidence and say they are holding it in case of future issues.
      =========================
      Possible but I think that is a stupid move that would help his lawsuit. Of course if the government hadn’t been such @$$#0[$ they wouldn’t be getting sued.

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  • AlcoholicMB
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:26pm

    That one juror is the reason why cities such as Chicago and New York City have gun bans.

    “Well, I support the second amendment, but just to be safe…” blah blah blah. Give the government an inch on our rights, turn around and you’ve lost a mile.

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  • Altair
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:24pm

    I was stopped in Red Square a few years ago by a Russian policeman, who demanded my ID. I showed him my passport, and he went through it, and gave it back and went away. I asked my Russian friend why I was stopped, and was told it was because I had brown eyes, I kid you not… I might have been a Chechniyan ! Most Russians have blue or green eyes.

    I said if a policeman in America did that, , I’d take his badge number and the policeman would be in hot water… my Russian friend was amazed that Americans aren’t afraid of policemen.

    But then, that was ten years ago.

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  • fande3rls
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:19pm

    Everyone Get a copy of all of your states Gun laws . Understand them , we in virginia is an open carry state , concealed with permit , YOU can as of last july1st put your firearm in the glove compartment or in a zipped up bag behind your seat ,
    to virginians VCDL.org is your source for allof VA gun laws and fellow second amendment knowage .
    Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples‘ liberty’s teeth.
    George Washington
    The Constitution shall never be construed… to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.
    Samuel Adams

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms … disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” –Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book

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  • Rodney111
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:14pm

    Good now go after the cops job!

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    • rusooperman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 7:12pm

      Some kid is walking around your street with a military rifle and refuses to show any ID; you don’t want that idiot arrested? You are a fool. This punk was just out for confrentation. He is lucky someone didn’t plunk him. He is the reason we as responsible citizens have to deal with all the stupid laws in the first place.

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:45pm

      RUSOOPERMAN You are the fool because you want a police state where cops can arrest without having laws to back them up. This is the usa, cops have to follow the law. I think you would be happier in a communist country.

      “He is lucky someone didn’t plunk him.”

      If you actually did get a chl, which I doubt seriously, they made a mistake. Shooting someone with a rifle strapped to their back is insane. A chl is designed to protect someone in immediate fear of their life. A rifle legally strapped to someone’s back doe not fall into that and you are truly pathetic for even thinking that way.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 6:02am

      Once again ooperman,he wasn’t harrassing anyone,you would have someone “plunk”him for carrying a gun in public,legally, what were they going to “plunk” him with,a gun they were carrying in public.Strapped across his back is not threatning,unless you’re a ******,in that case then your shadow will scare you.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 8:01am

      who knew ****** was a banished word? It is a type of turtle that pulls it’s head in when it is frightened, what’s to be censored about that?

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    • DAS_NIETZSCHEAN
      Posted on July 29, 2012 at 3:57pm

      just amazing how people spell….. get a degree and stop spewing your opinion. Learn something.
      pick up some college writing and government.
      learn what Republic means.
      the government doesn’t put a value on your life and your rights.
      I mow my lawn with a HK p30 9MM with 115gr Magna-Tech hollow-points in a BlackHawk LVL3 serpa… I live in Michigan…. 49507

      please call on me….the police keep records who calls. Ill find out :) Ill sue you……..

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  • ms2020
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:01pm

    I’m never big on suing people but in this case, I say bring it on.
    The police should have used their brains a little more and their “power” a bit less. Just like we tell little kids when they start to cry and stomp their feet “ use your words”. They probably could have found out everything they needed to know had they been a bit nicer and not so “cop like”.

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  • DLG1956
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:59pm

    My step son was running in the park, preparing for USMC boot camp, wearing a 40 lb weight vest; The vest is filled with sand.

    A local cop stopped him and asked him why he was running with a bullet proof vest

    He immediately asked the cop if he was under arrest or suspected of a crime. The cop answered no and then asked for a ID. My step son said told him it was not a bullet proof vest and even if it was it is not illegal to run with one in the park. He said that he would not give the police his ID because he did nothing wrong and further more he doesn’t even have to talk with him at this point. He then told the cop he was leaving because he is not guilty of any crime or was not under arrest. And he left….

    The cop did nothing.

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:48pm

      And RUSSPOOPERMAN is upset with this, he thinks police should be able to arrest with no laws to back them up.

      I salute your son for his knowledge in the situation and upcoming service…..from this disabled veteran.

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  • battles
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:56pm

    Police and prosecutors think that they are God and can do anything they want to do. They think that they, being the authorities, are not subject to the law. They see themselves as being above the law, a law unto themselves, and not subject to it. Although the public pays for their mistaken and presumptive assumption, I hope that he does sue them. Not only the city, but the cops individually also. This is the only thing that will teach these tyrants a lesson.

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    • thetreyman
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:33pm

      it is the people of these towns that allow these badged bullies run free. they should have to pay, and by pay, i mean so much that it hurts everyone of them when their property taxes have to go up. it is the only way people will demand that these bad apples are fired and the replacements properly trained on how to interact with the public without threats, intimidation, and falsely arresting people. especially when no law has been broken.

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  • Individualism
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:54pm

    Put that pig in prison.

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    • Toltepeceno
      Posted on July 17, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Yes *******, put someone in prison for breaking no laws.

      How about we out Iibtard‘s in prison for being Iibtard’s?

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  • battles
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:50pm

    That is correct here in Texas. You can carry concealed weapon with a permit and concealed without a permit within a car. I used to see people open carrying in Arizona. I always admired those who were not afraid to do this. Most people would not do that, however. Businesses could stop people from carrying guns into their stores. You would sometimes see people walking around in those stores with empty holsters on their belts, having left their gun in their car.
    There was a fellow from out of state who told me that he once went into a bar in Arizona and after ordering a drink, he looked around and discovered that he was the only one in the bar who wasn’t carrying a pistol on his side. Some states don’t allow carrying guns into an establishment whose major business concerns liquor. As you can see from Arizona, liquor, drinking, and guns together pose no problem. To refute this, a cop once said to me that the biggest problems he had at bars was with someone who was carrying a gun. He failed to see that if everyone was able to legally carry a gun in the bar, that the problem would not exist.

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    • Altair
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:14pm

      “As you can see from Arizona, liquor, drinking, and guns together pose no problem. ”

      I’ve lived and worked in Arizona, and you’re right. BTW, there are very few “teens” in Arizona. Correlation ?

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    • txjb
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:32pm

      It’s not against any law in Texas to carry a long gun (rifle) , walking the street or in a vehicle. A side arm there is no open carry for that .

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    • shortyellowbus
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:37pm

      I believe here in Az you can carry in an establishment that serves liquor/beer as long as you are not drinking and as long as the establishment does not post a sign saying no. When I moved here many years ago it surprised me the first few times I saw people open carrying. Now many people do it. The Governor recently within the past couple of years signed constitutional carry, people do not need permits to carry concealed here anymore.

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  • OKIE23MAR1775
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:47pm

    ACTUALLY, oklahoma’s Open Carry Law goes into effect November 1st of this year.

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    • theprofessor1031
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:14pm

      That’s correct. Unfortunately, the cowardly Rino’s made sure they could still collect money from us to be able to excercise that right.

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  • de31372
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:40pm

    It’s amazing how much abuse citizens endure when exercising an enumerated right in the Bill of Rights. The 2nd Amendment must be defended… In the courts if possible, through legislation hopefully, but ultimately the defense of this right may require the intervention of the armed citizenry. http://www.bigrede.com

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  • The Gooch
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:38pm

    General progressive/authoritarian view: Only the state should be armed. Ever.
    It is chilling how ignorant and arrogant agents of the state can be… and how written laws and supposedly established rights don’t matter.
    This prosecutor needs to be disbarred.

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  • lassiegirldawn
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:36pm

    If you live in a state that has open carry, people need to do this to stand up for our second amendment. With the Commie In Chief signing that UN piece of crap, these rights will soon be gone. Good job young man, where are the other men?

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  • Dirty Harry
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:35pm

    I will send $100 toward your legal fees to bust their arses! Just say where. Thousand of other people will do the same.

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  • WAKEUPUSA2012
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:32pm

    God Bless that man. This NWO is working overtime to take away our rights. Not just gun rights either. Come to think of it didnt Rommney have a assualt weapons ban? Hmmm. Not cool Rommny. Pick a good VP or im not going to vote for you.

    http://www.infowars.com/un-gun-grab-follows-state-department-plan/

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    • Patriot of My America
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:13pm

      Great just abdicate to obummer. what the h@ll are you thinking…Any one but the marxist Huessein Obummer// sheese … get a clue already..

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    • rawmilker
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:19pm

      same here, no good VP pick, I’m staying home…Rom is a weakling anyway. He reminds of an ol’ preacher trying to preach to abunch of thugs & no one listens yet he keeps talking….

      I hate obama, but unless Rom chooses a good run-mate, it don’t look good..He can save this disaster by teaming up with LtCol West…..

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    • JR71
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 8:38pm

      WAKEUPUSA2012
      If they tried to take your guns I would be right there to back you up with my life .. life with out our GOD giving rights to me is no life at all .. many MEN brave men like this boy, gave there life so we could have these freedoms but the sad part is this .. AND IT WILL NOT STOP ME. I was once asked
      what will you do when they come to take our guns? Here is a scary though. When the democrats decide to take the guns, will the majority of folks give them up without a fight. Study communist takeover in other nations, and show me where there was a large scale fight from the population against the gov?
      the majority of our folks are weak, scared, fat, and feminized. We are a nation of meterosexual men, feminist women, and undisciplined kids who believe they deserve a trophy just for showing up to an avent.
      When the powers to be shut off the city water and the city power, in 72 hours your average American will have no water to drink, no where to poop, mom will not be able to watch Opra, the kids will not be able to play video games and watch MTV, dad will not have any beer or be able to watch pro or college sports, no one will be able to send a text message or check on facebook, and they will scream out “Obama save us!”. They will give up their guns, and they will turn in any neighbors who have guns.
      I do not fear a president Obama, I fear a nation of weak minded sleepwalkers that would elect an Obama.
      WAKE UP USA your minds are weak and sick WAKE UP BROTHE

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 9:31pm

      JR71

      You just crystalized everything I have floating around in my head in one post. LOL. But for real, what you just wrote is so true. Americans of all colors an backgrounds are under complet mind control. Watching TV all the time. Eating GMOs and not knowing our history. These metrosexuall men make me so mad. But its the globalist its the elites who are doing that to us. We can get to mad at these people, like I said they are under mind control. People like you are our hope. We must know our history. We must know our rights. If you people wanna see something scary go to youtube and type in Katrina gun confiscation. Its unreal. They took all the guns. In high and dry areas also! But JR71 I would have your back also. No matter the mans color or religion if he likes 1776 he is my brother and I will be my brothers keeper. We dont want this war, but we will not back down. The spirit of 1776 flows thru you JR71. Dont let them think your alone.

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  • neiman1
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:29pm

    It takes an 18 year old man to teach civics to an entire nation. Our rights cannot be infringed just because the person doing so wears a badge. Good job young man.

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  • TSUNAMI-22
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:28pm

    I hope the young MAN wins.

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    • Patriot of My America
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Did you not read the article , the young Man was found not guilty Sheese reading comprehension is going down the tubes … He WON….

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    • Altair
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:17pm

      Patriot of My America
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 6:11pm
      “Did you not read the article… ?”

      He’s talking about the LAWSUIT ! SHEESH !

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  • TMP
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:26pm

    Personally, I hope this guy sues the cops and/or the city. I also love the one juror who whined about wanting the law changed so you have to show ID; what are the chances that this same whiner has a problem with requiring ID at voting polls? And would this juror support Arizona checking IDs of people pulled over or call it “racist”? Why is it liberals want law-abiding citizens to be treated like criminals but think anything implemented to actually catch criminal behavior is a violation of “human rights”?

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  • jungle J
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:24pm

    he maybe an imbicile for doing what he did but it is legal to be an imbicile in mich. he should have produced an id and gone about his buisiness if he truly wanted to be a good citizen….not a theatre actor.

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    • TMP
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:30pm

      He is not an imbecile. He was exercising his rights. I firmly believe that people in this country would be a hell of a lot more polite and more fair-minded if everyone walked around visibly armed. And crime would dissipate greatly. Little punks with bad attitudes would think twice about jumping on someone who is visibly capable of taking them out.

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:31pm

      A “good citizen” is someone who understands his rights under law and exercises those rights.

      Whether you or anyone else regards him as an imbecile is irrelevant.

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    • WAKEUPUSA2012
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:38pm

      You GD moron. This is America. Not NAZI Germany in the 30s. I dont have to produce my ID if I havent done anything wrong. I can carry a gun down the streets any freaking time I want. Its dopes like you that are screwing uo this country. Those cops work for US. We dont work fro them. If I havent done anything wrong, they cant tell me what to do. I wish they would try and take my guns away.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:43pm

      JUNGLE J, Obviously it is legal to be an imbecile anywhere in this country. Look at all of the OWS imbeciles wondering the streets. Then, not to mention all of the Democrats.

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  • RedNeckMormon
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:23pm

    Good for him…maybe there is a few patriots in the youth today…..
    oh yeah… the Armed Forces are full of them…!!!!

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  • NewContinentalArmy
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:23pm

    Finally, a rare example of State’s rights being upheld.

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  • Ty Coon
    Posted on July 16, 2012 at 5:19pm

    Michigan, used to be a nice place to live and vacation to. Now any longer…you go on vacation in Michigan, you come back on probation. Demonrats, ruin everything, and I men EVERYTHING, they see, touch, or do something about. It is in their sanguinary and cold blooded genes.

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