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Ironically-Named ‘Smart Meters’ Prove to Be a Dumb Idea

Mar. 26, 2011 7:37pm Mike Opelka

Headaches, insomnia, tinnitus, DNA breakdown. . . These are just a few of the myriad problems mentioned when people talk about the constant bombardment of EMFs or electromagnetic frequencies, a huge by-product of the new Smart Meters being installed by public utilities around the country.

But wait! We have been told that the Smart Grid, with it’s Smart Meters would be a good thing for all of us. Now we find out that this scheme poses very real dangers to human health?

Information on the effect of installing millions of Smart Meters, all equipped with wireless transmitters that are constantly filling the environment with EMFs, is just starting to trickle in. An electrical engineer named Rob States has been looking into this problem:

“Since individuals with no history of RF disease are experiencing symptoms the first day the meter is installed, we can assume the meter’s RF emissions are not the only problem. The RF network is activated months after initial meter installation. Extensive measurements have demonstrated that all of the meters measured so far, including ABB, GE, and Landis Gyr, emit noise on the customer’s electric wiring in the form of high frequency voltage spikes, typically with an amplitude of 2 volts, but a frequency any ware from 4,000 Hertz, up to 60,000 Hz. The actual frequency of the phenomena is influenced by the devices that are plugged into the customer’s power. Some houses are much worse than others, and this observation has been confirmed by PG&E installers that have talked to us.”

Rob’s comments come from an online article posted by Stop Smart Meters.

Thanks to the work of people like Stop Smart Meters, communities are waking up to the problem. Especially in California.

Generally speaking, people in California seem to accept new government programs with open arms, especially anything with the words ‘green’ or ‘smart’ attached to it. So Smart Meters seemed to be a no-brainer as they promised to make the planet greener and who doesn’t want a smart electrical meter?

You should know that the so-called Smart Meters are the typical energy monitoring devices with a little extra bonus added. It is a wireless transmitter (think cell phone) that is constantly sending the power company updates on your electrical use. The meters are now bombarding the environment with EMFs, all day, every day. That electronic carpet-bombing of your home, apartment complex, subdivision is being blamed for health problems in people who are ‘electrically hypersensitive.’ (a real term)

The argument that Smart Meters will lower energy consumption has also been debunked. Reuters published a piece showing no real long-term savings in homes with Smart Meters vs the old meters.

“Participants who kept the monitor (…) did not manage to sustain their electricity savings any better than those without a monitor.”

“A second finding is that certain groups of people seem more receptive to energy-saving interventions than others. A ‘one-size-fits-all’ approach for home energy monitors cannot be justified.”

No real savings, potential health problems. . . so why the rush to install these so called Smart Meters in 200 million homes?

Some skeptics claim the new meters will allow government access to more information and control over individuals. From our new friends at StopSmartMeters.org:

Do you value civil liberties and the right to privacy? When a ‘smart’ meter is installed, your utility has access to a treasure trove of information about you- when you wake up in the morning, when you go on vacation, what kinds of appliances you are using, etc. They will be able to sell this information to a series of corporations and the government.

YES, the words ‘Big Brother’ definitely come to mind here.

Oddly enough, California may be leading the charge against Smart Meters. There are almost 30 local governments formally opposing the installation of the Smart Meters. Two weeks ago the tide started turning:

The anti-Smart Meter people actually scored a victory of sorts against this governmental invasion as news broke yesterday that PG&E offered an ‘opt-out’ program, but it is going to cost you. Early estimates say that choosing the old meter will cost an additional $14-$20 per month, plus a ‘set-up’ fee.

Let’s review what we know about Smart Meters:

European studies have shown no significant energy savings.

Great potential exists for serious and wide-spread health problems caused by constant bombardment of EMFs.

Loss of personal freedom to consume energy as you see fit is inherent in this kind of metering.

Government now has access to even more information about how you live, with the potential to interfere in your life via control of power.

And, if you choose NOT to have a Smart Meter, you will pay a ‘tax’ for the right to retain your privacy and freedom of choice.

Any questions?

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kraphtsman
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:55pm
Although this story’s premise that low-power radio waves (EMF) create an actual health hazard is dubious and clearly open to scientific debate, the threats these “Smart Meters” pose to individual privacy and lifestyle choices are very real.

The concept of using these in California came about partly as a result of the Enron scandal. PG&E used to be a well run, profitable private utility company, They produced affordable electricity and gas for the largest consuming state in the nation for over 40 years, and did so with a large percentage of PRIVATELY funded clean/renewable resources (hydro and geothermal) DECADES before the so-called “Green” movement was sanctioned by our glorious politicians. But when the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB) got together back in the 90′s to over-regulate and tax the decades-old and financially sound practices of private utility companies, they set the stage for PG&E’s financial decline and eventual sale of their power generating capacity to Enron Corporation. We all know Enron became a HIGHLY profitable middleman in the brokering of and distribution of electricity throughout the west, and the DOE and CARB were complicit in underwriting (from a regulatory and taxing standpoint) their fleecing of the consumer and the energy producers. After Enron’s fall, to avoid bankruptcy PG&E essentially made the faustian choice to become wholly “compliant” with whatever large scale “Green” initiatives the DOE and CARB were pushing at the time. And all this “Smart Grid” technology has certainly been hawked to the American public (whether they actually want it or not) along with promises of “better” and “more efficient/less expensive” distribution of electricity. What a crock.

So, until I see some independently verified medical studies regarding the “health hazard” these devices potentially represent, I won’t worry much about this aspect. On the other hand, I WILL worry about the intrusion they make on personal privacy, and the FRAUDULENTLY billed costs to consumers they incur.

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Mike Opelka
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:53pm
Mary,

If these meters were new drugs, they would be in testing labs for a decade, not rushed into homes. How do we know for certain? The potential downside is much worse than we are being told. 30 communities in one state have stopped or altered the installations. Why move forward until THEY verify?

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Katayno
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:50pm
Cap and trade….cap and trade…..cap and trade…..

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theyarenotmeopinion
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:49pm
how much more

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Katayno
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:47pm
Always….follow the money.

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HisStoryUn
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:47pm
I wrote the consumer affairs office of the Southern California Edison Company as soon as I recieved my notice that they wanted to schedule the instalation of this device on my home several months ago and have still to hear back from them. They are not installing one on my house and they are not charging me extra to “opt out” without a lawsuit!

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dr_funk
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:46pm
The electromagnetic field produced by the wiring in your house WITHOUT a smart meter is already negligible. The minor voltage spikes caused by these smart meters at various frequencies produce almost no increase in the electromagnetic field that was already present in your house.

The interference caused by these boxes, WORST CASE SCENARIO, will cause audible interference in audio equipment (like the kind you hear when you stick your cell phone next to your computer speaker) or cause malfunctions in highly-sensitive devices. It will NOT cause cancer or give you headaches. In order for electrical wires to create an intense enough electromagnetic field to cause headaches or adverse health effects, you have to be dealing with massive current levels. The wiring in your house will conduct, maximum, 20 amps, because this is the current limitation of the breakers in your breaker box. Now, devices that are directly connected to a circuit affected by the interference from the smart meter are likely to experience interference, but…it depends on the device.

Now, when you work at an electrical power station, and you’re subjected to the EMF (electromagnetic field) produced by thousands of amps of current, then yes, maybe, you could potentially experience some “headaches”.

The EMF from electrical cables in your house is so small, it would be hard to even detect amidst the blaring noise of TV signal transmissions, cell phone transmissions, wireless internet transmissions, solar radiation, wireless xbox controller transmissions, or the noise created by running your microwave oven. And even those common forms of household EMF radiation are completely safe and don’t cause any adverse health effects.

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- acepilot
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 7:45pm
  Untrue. Your house probably has a 200 Amp main breaker in the panel, so you can potentially be drawing 200 Amps, spread out between the individual breakers and into the appliances and wiring in your house. Substations do not have THOUSANDS of Amps flowing. Smaller substations, like those around me in rural areas may have a transformer rated at say 8 MegaWatts. The primary (transmission side) voltage feeding these is typically 69KV and thus can suck about 115 Amps. On the distribution side (lines going to homeowners) is typically 7200V, and thus about 1100 Amps at full load. This current gets spilt among all the lines leaving the substation enroute to the customers. Since it is current that causes electromagnetic fields, more current means more electromagnetic field.
  
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- a berr
  Posted on November 6, 2011 at 9:08pm
  “”The EMF from electrical cables in your house is so small, it would be hard to even detect amidst the blaring noise of TV signal transmissions, cell phone transmissions, wireless internet transmissions, solar radiation, wireless xbox controller transmissions, or the noise created by running your microwave oven. And even those common forms of household EMF radiation are completely safe and don’t cause any adverse health effects.”"”
  
  The insane logic that everybody uses…that just because you’re already exposed to EMFs…then adding more EMFs running 24 hours a day doesn’t count.
  
  With that kind of logic no wonder the world is so crazy. I don’t mean just you…everybody talks this way these days. REALLY ! It’s like anti-logic.
  
  I don’t have a cell phone, microwave, cable TV and a lot of that kind of junk.
  I do have a meter that measures EMFs. You can say they EMF’s are safe all you want. But through the years more than 2000 studies have shown they definitely affect the function of living cells.
  In a resting state cells maintain a positive charge outside the cell membrane and a negative charge inside the cell. This is both an active and passive action. Cells communicate and function using electricity and chemistry. They reverse the the charge across the membrane .
  AMERICANS BEING FORCED to allow this invasive intrusive dangerous thing on to their homes is crazy. And THREE ( 3 ) smart meters on all our homes….water, gas, electricity.
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NoThanks_JustLurking
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:45pm
Disclaimer: I have a dog in this fight so please feel free to light me up, but I hope you will read it through. GWB actually started this project in 2007 and made sure the funding was there to support the changes. The smart device and the RF usage in them are two different topics that happen to be combined for the same purpose.

The true use of these devices are NOT to allow the utility more “control” your energy use, those devices have to be approved by the consumer before they are implemented. The government plan is to force all of the utilities, nationwide, to join up under one network (national security issues abound here which I personally question, being a conservative, but I don’t think the “smart-grid” will ever come to fruition in an end state).

The strengths of the program are the ability to plan power generation better, see outages before the calls start coming in and give the client a view into their usage in predetermined increments. The utility can’t see what appliances you have in your house or what you are doing with your power; that is true black helicopter rumor. You can volunteer that information but that is up to you.

Thanks for your time and of course time will tell. Please be kind to Mr Lurker as I am just trying to provide an alternate view.

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- HisStoryUn
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:57pm
  The electric companies have all of the “grid” info that they need without installing these devices. My bill indicates that they know exactly how much I use and no further info should be required for future planning.
  
  Control IS exactly what is desired whether or not you are aware of the facts. I worked for a utility for 33 years and am fully cognizant of their ulterior motives and nefarious capabilities. To espouse otherwise is specious. They do not have the best interest of the consumer in mind ever. The fact that this is a government mandate tells you everything you need to know.
  
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- Tnredneck
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:13pm
  The idea is not to limit how much you use but to establish then implement a carbon footprint tax. It’s simply another way to tax you!
  
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- NoThanks_JustLurking
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:16pm
  Hisstoryun, I see your point and will defer to your career with the utilities. I don’t speak on their behalf and will believe what you tell me. I am just saying that the SmartMeters are not made to do anything other than read the data you are using on an incremental basis. At this point they “control” nothing, they just read the usage. There are other devices that are used to control the access, or lack of but I don’t know much about those. Thanks for being kind, as I am sure you could have shredded me with your utility experience. Have a great weekend..
  
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- NoThanks_JustLurking
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:21pm
  TNRedneck, great point and one I had honestly not considered. I will remember it though!
  
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- Politicus
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 3:36am
  Not true, Lurk. “By turning every electric appliance on and off, Berges’ group was able to identify what the electric signal for each individual appliance looked like, creating an “electrical signature” for that appliance.”
  
  ” The existence of this data could offer insight into topics like domestic human behavior or efficiencies of various household products. Berges said, “There are many doors that open up, and it’s not only for consumers.”” http://thetartan.org/2010/11/8/scitech/monitoring
  
  I suggest you stop Lurking and start Looking. Especially when you have access to the biggest encyclopedia – the internet – that everyone else here has.
  
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Fina Biscotti
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:44pm
AND guess who owns stock in the company that MANUFACTURES “Smart-Meters”……..?

Who else but someone that Usurper Obama/Soetoro “hired” as the Asst. Secretary of the Department of Energy = Cathy ZOI –
who disburses US taxpayer money to people for their businesses involved in energy conservation = Smart-meters – and alternative energy projects –
such as Zoi’s husband – and her former employer – Al Gore – who brought the world the BOGUS Global Warming Theory/Hoax – when Cathy Zoi was the CEO of Gore’s company Climate Alliance.

just sayin’ – in case you did not know…….

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- Salamander
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:58pm
  I had NO IDEA! You mean to tell me that Honest Al is a LIAR??? He can’t be! There is ALWAYS WEATHER! Oops, I forgot, there is a difference between climate and weather! If one’s warming and the other is cooling, what’s the NET-NET??? So long as it goes Ka-ching for Gore, he’s happy!!! I love it, a government official is pumping energy management, so their husband/spouse/family/other can benefit from mandated equipment! And the power companies are goaded into cooperation! You know, if we didn’t tax corporations, they wouldn’t lobby (as much, they lobby because they cannot vote), AND the citizen gets to see the true cost of taxes, rather than have it buried in the price of EVERYTHING they buy!!! (As it is, corporations don’t pay taxes, their customers do! So, why keep up the charade?) And, we wouldn’t have to listen to the false claims that big oil is ‘subsidized’ when that ‘subsidy’ is simply a tax rebate on ‘wealth’ that shouldn’t have been taxed in the first place!!! I am so sick of the ‘half-argument’ BOTH sides use to fight this battle! It’s like fighting at the hoop while some else eats your lunch (popular current ad)!
  
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- Grandmadar
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 12:38am
  No I didn’t know. More dots to connect…may be on Glenn’s chalkboard in the days to come! Big Brother is definitely moving in.
  
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Lone Ranger
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:44pm
The tree huggers get it wrong AGAIN. Their solutions are always worse than the problem.

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Salamander
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:41pm
I think the electric industry has this all wrong! Basically, their idea of a ‘smart meter’ is managed demand; that is, load shedding at the behest of the utility, based upon a pre-agreed rate schedule with the client-consumer! I think a better idea would be for the ‘smart meter’ to CONVEY information to the ‘smart home controller’, which would operate more like a home network router. The utility’s ‘smart meter’ would receive information on transmission and generation (the latter from a variety of sources) and let the home interface/power router know what constraints are in place (price & demand can be in play, or just price or just demand) and the router ‘decides’ what to do. If the refrigerator needs a cooling cycle, it would inform the router, which would ‘decide’ if the A/C or ice machine would take a holiday! The utility wouldn’t know or need to know what got cut, but just that it’s demand profile was met (or violated for a premium charge). The router could ‘ask’ for power through the utility meter and the power generators would ‘bid’ for a chunk of power at a (an instantaneous, that instant) market rate within a time window (rate might vary by demand for that window), AND provide the link between highest ask and lowest bid to match the trade (much like the stock exchange). Factors, such as transmission constraints (capacity, heating, losses, etc.) can be included as constraints (so 4 neighbors sharing a transformer don’t try and charge their EV’s at the same time), thus providing an ‘efficient’ market for electricity. Power can be ‘sold’ in the same manner by those with PV solar systems, wind, hydro, etc., so they can sell what they don’t use. At present, all the power company can do is credit their account with an offset to what they consume, NOT the same as providing a ‘power market’. Essentially, electricity cannot be stored and time of day demand can significantly impact market prices, with peak energy having the highest value and base load having the lowest (depending on fuel supply, reliability of commitment, etc.) Giving the utility the ‘keys’ to your house is STUPID! Giving the utility AND the consumer the means to interact in a dynamic market process through the transmission link is the KEY to an ENERGY EFFICIENT FUTURE!!!

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- obama_binpharteen
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:46pm
  Which layer of the OSI model would this router work on? Just curious.
  
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- Katayno
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:55pm
  Still sounds like code words for RATIONING.
  
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- NoThanks_JustLurking
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:57pm
  Salamander, great points and it is just around the corner. It all has a cost and that is what the delay is. Look up HAN (Home Area Network) and you will see what is already available. There is some really cool technology already available..
  
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- Salamander
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:03pm
  I’d have to dig a bit to make the full analogy. But my idea is that the power company has no more business in your business than the water company does! And, that little home network router thwarted the ISP’s from doing to your home computers what the cable companies do to your television watching!
  
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- Salamander
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:12pm
  Thanks “NOTHANKS … “, I’ll look into it! I’m somewhat aware of those devices, but I’m not sure the power companies get it–yet! And, I think the ‘energy exchange’ is where the opportunity & legitimate monies lay! By the way, there are some SERIOUS issues with respect to transmission, actually distribution-the last leg, and there are legitimate issues on the generation side! Just think about how many PIV’s can hang on a 25 KVA transformer on a hot Summer evening! Or, that the build-out in PIV’s is likely to take place in clusters (keep up with the Joneses, etc.) You wouldnt’ believe the investment that Goldman-Sachs has in the peaking plants in this country, a bit scary! They can price at will, while the base-load utilities catch it at every turn from the regulators, the attorneys general and the carbon credit and global warming scammers/skimmers!
  
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uncleherbert
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:40pm
I’ve had a digitised meter for over two years. Tampa electric co. installed not sure about it being smart?

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rpercifield
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:38pm
First, magnetic fields are all around you. Why do you think that a compass needle points north? It isn’t pixie dust on a piece of metal, but the earth’s magnetic field. Have a CRT television? 15.7KHz is in your house while it is on. 60Hz and 120Hz fields are all around you (Unless you are Amish). It isn’t the RF I am worried about, it is the information contained in the communication, and the ability to control loads.

Having a watt meter monitoring your power usage will allow them to know more information than you think. Someone will know when you wake up, your normal daily patterns for work and home, what appliances you have, whether you have an alarm system, the size of your TV, how many computers are in your house, and much more than you would tell most relatives, no less strangers or the government.

I do not want any power company or the government in control of my appliances. The government does not care whether your freezer full of meat is cold, only that some Greeny Bureaucrat says you are using too much power. Also, rather than increase capacity, it will be cheaper to shed load and keep you house hot or cold, spoil your food, or charge you through the nose for power when you need it and have not other option since it is a monopoly.

Command and control never works, it just wastes resources, or kills the weak. We will be just like Europe several years ago when the killed off their old people because energy was too expensive to keep grandma cool during the summer. There is a reason that life expectancy and energy usage are related, the better you control your environment the longer you live.

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- thejackal
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:50pm
  They can also disable the meter remotely and kill your power, for lack of payment or… Use your imagination.
  
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- danconia
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 9:42pm
  As a journeyman electrician I can tell you there is no way the smart meter can disconnect your power.
  As for the radiation, try wearing one of those tin foil hats
  LMFAO
  
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Rob
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:36pm
BIG F-ING BROTHER…. I HATE Liberals.

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Katayno
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:35pm
My friend had a meter installed that they said would “conserve” energy and save him money.
During the summer he couldn’t cool his house down. He realized he was being rationed. He called, and they did take it out. I don’t know if it was a smart meter…it was in WI.

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geonj
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:33pm
obama owes immelt, just another payoff to GE. they bring good things to light.

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APatriotFirst
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:33pm
Smart idea is

C span at 835p Herman Cain

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Pyx
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:28pm
The URL; QUOTE Rob’s comments come from an online article posted by Stop Smart Meters UNQUOTE in the story above, does not work.

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- Mike Opelka
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:04pm
  Thanks for that note. It should work now. Just in case – http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/03/25/pges-opt-out-plan-a-trojan-horse-the-smart-meter-is-the-problem/
  
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RIGHTNOTLEFT
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:26pm
Only most of the cost will come from loss of freedom.

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STICK2URGUNS
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:25pm
Wow, we have Smart Meters, Smart Cars, Smart Phones, Smart Grid, Smart This and Smart That, and our wonderful public education system is cranking out Dumb Kids that can’t spell, can’t read, can’t name the first president etc, etc, etc….

Thank goodness we have all this Smart Something.

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obama_binpharteen
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:24pm
Hey, who was it that said that under his plan, energy prices would necessarily skyrocket? now who was that? can I get some help here????

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- Stoic one
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 11:42pm
  Obama himself, when talking about his plans for the coal industry.
  
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dcwu
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:24pm
Impeach Obama.

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RIGHTNOTLEFT
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:23pm
“Utility rates will necessarily skyrocket”——Barack Hussein Obama

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- absolutely
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:30pm
  Anyone that thinks this is a good idea, doesn’t understand what they are up against it’s only for control not conservation. If everyone conserves on utilities and sacrifices their quality of life, they shut off the a/c and hot water when you need it most and up the utility rates claiming they aren’t bringing in enough revenue. You are never allowed to save anything ever, that’s not the purpose. If the economy collapses they up the property tax on your home even when the value is cut in half. It does absolutely no good to conserve or give up anything, EVER, EVER, EVER. Absolutely
  
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- absolutely
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:49pm
  Oh and these people that are perpetuating this hoax on us, draining all the wealth from the middle class, you know, the people that actually work for a living, that’s US if I can include most of you. All the while telling us that capitalizm is to blame and responsible for our woes. Bull Excrement They are taxing and regulating us to death. Absolutely
  
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- Grandmadar
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 12:35am
  We have a wireless meter. I was told this was so the Utility readers didn’t have to walk house to house to read the meters. They just drive by a hold an instrument to read the meter from their car. Hmmm.. if that is all some people are being told…..don’t know how long we have had this. My husband has tinnitus, insomnia and now I wonder if it is from this. I would like this taken out.
  Maybe we need to install timers on our lights etc and rotate them so it would seem we get up at different times. If we go away we should have the TV and radios on timers. Keep them guessing.
  
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- SLEUTH
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 12:52am
  that is what i was going to suggest GRANDMADAR. i have timers throughout my home on lamps, small TV, mainly for burglars. but now….. well i have a different reason. ive had this meter for about over a year now. not sure if its effecting me or not but who knows?
  
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- Grandmadar
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 1:03am
  @ Sleuth: Glad to know others think the same thing. Our house has an electric water heater as the previous owner didn’t pay his Natural Gas Bill. Owed over $800. So he just put in the elctric water heater to dodge the bill. The Utility company was going to charge me for the money if I didn’t show them my Mortgage Papers to prove we own the house!
  
  So, I said that to say this: my husband installed an industrial timer on our water heater. It is great. It has two programs. We have it on 3 hrs. in the morning and 3 hrs in evening. Initially, we were saving about $25 per month. Just two of us here and the water stayed pretty warm. Since last summer our bill has gone up $30 per month and that is with the timer. They either raised the rates or something is fishy.
  
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- SLEUTH
  Posted on March 27, 2011 at 9:57am
  interesting GRANDMADAR, ive just been switching the fuse off for the water heater, switch it on, have my coffee, do a few things; within an hour i can shower, laundry etc. when im done i switch it off. a little bother, but worth it keeping a little money instead of the power company. ive got to check into an industrial timer. it may not make a difference to the power company, but its satisfying to know i can fight back.
  
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Oldphoto678
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:23pm
This is the just about the most ignorant bunch of right wing bull I’ve seen yet. Well, this is the place for right wing ignorance. What a bunch of ultra maroons.
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- RIGHTNOTLEFT
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:28pm
  You should go back to Huffpo for extreme ignorance on display.
  
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- obama_binpharteen
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:29pm
  OLDPHOTO678
  
  Awww, is that the best you can do?
- Fina Biscotti
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 9:23pm
  hey – OldPhoto678 -
  
  notice the article = another obama SCAM – EXPOSED – in another abuse of our US taxpayer money…….to finance his bullshyting Con Game.
  
  I noticed that you have nothing to offer – but insults – toward everyone else on this website. You need to ramp it up a bit – since we the people are used to trolling brown shirts. It is in our genes.
  
  You should have made the effort to pick up a copy of your talking points – instead of going for coffee – to meet new people.
  
  Btw, how is obozo’s Coffee Party Movement going – for you?
  
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- Non-sequitur
  Posted on March 26, 2011 at 10:06pm
  “notice the article = another obama SCAM – EXPOSED – in another abuse of our US taxpayer money…….to finance his bullshyting Con Game.”
  
  Care to explain where Obama comes into this?
  
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- markm5
  Posted on March 28, 2011 at 1:04pm
  Poor dude, you must have lost your meds…or just forgot that the left is always lying to you. IF you think you possess intellectual honesty, deeply examine a leftist position…do an easy one such as abortion. Examine the statements of Margaret Sanger, once you have honestly looked, listen to the statement Hillary Clinton made, to praise Sanger. Recall the recent census…the black population is down significantly in several areas of the country, the left media spins the data to disguise the reason, but it is simple…about 70% of innercity black women end the pregnancy by abortion. You do this long enough and the population drops. OLDPHOTO678, the left takes an agenda, cloaks it in pretty and you, and those useful idiots like you swallow it and think you’re doing good. Keep this in mind– Liberalism is the Philosophy of the STUPID.
  
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simple thought
Posted on March 26, 2011 at 8:23pm
wonder if it’s causeing my gas, NO,,,, thats the liberalprogressiveobamaniteskoolaidedrink’nyaddayadas
GOD HELP US, PRETTY PLEASE

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