PHOENIX (AP) — A federal appeals court is refusing to lift a stay blocking major parts of a tough Arizona law targeting illegal immigrants from taking effect.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday turned down an appeal filed by Gov. Jan Brewer. The governor asked them to lift an injunction imposed by a federal judge in Phoenix the day before the law was to take effect on July 29, 2010.
The U.S Justice Department sued to block the law. It argued it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue.
Brewer’s lawyers said the federal government hasn’t effectively enforced immigration law and that the state law will assist federal authorities.
The law would require police to check immigration status when enforcing other laws, among other provisions.
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inexiletill2012
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:13pm9Th Circus strikes again
Why (these days) do we bother to pass bills and make new laws ? Some judges will just throw them out anyway
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DocStrangelove
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:22pmWhen they are blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL???
You BET!
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starman70
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:09pmThe COMMUNIST 9th circuit has spoken again! Every one of these “Judges” should give up their American citizenship and move to the communist country of their choice. These people are not AMERICANS!
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jerryod1627
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:39pmThey all fit in well with obama, Holder and the rest of the bunch in Washington!
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AKMIIKEUS
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:43pm@star
well it sounds like you are the one with the problem and not happy, so it should be you moving.
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DocStrangelove
Apr. 12, 2011 at 1:39amYou wouldn’t recognize a “communist” if you TRIPPED over one, pookie.
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 8:05pm@AKMIIKEUS If you fail to live by our laws you are jailed. If you fail to agree to live by our laws you should leave. If you support those who fail to agree to live by our laws GET THE HELL OUT!!! Mike, which side of the fence do you stand on??? I served in 3 branches of the US Armed Forces to support and defend the CONSTITUTION, the law of this land.I have a problem with the democrat government and courts disobeying the rule of law for a political ideology. You think I should leave???
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mtDiamonds
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:08pmThese lunatic progressives will stop at nothing, ENFORCE THE FREAKIN LAW !!!
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AKMIIKEUS
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:43pmNo!
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Strat-M16
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:07pmI mean “anyway”. Yeah! That’s it “anyway”. !
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Strat-M16
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:05pmTo Hell with the Feds! It’s time these 50 states grew a pair! Enforce the law amy way and fight the Feds to the end , where ever it may lead!
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elosogrande
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:04pmIt’s simple. The most imprtant duty of The President, Congress and courts of The United States is to protect its citizens. They’re not doing it, so vote them out. If taxpayers come together like union workers and non-contributors have in the past, there will be more of us than them. We can get rid of these people at the ballot box, but we have to do it in the next election.
As The President said – “Talk to your friends and neighbors. Get in their faces. Get out and vote!”
These people are only in office, because we let them win. No more complacency. Vote them out!~
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lynnissmart
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:03pmEXDEM
I agree with you 100%. I too am an ex dem
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geonj
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:02pmbig surprise. the 9th circuit has no respect for the rule of law unless it drives their agends. as theiir many ruling will serve to prove.
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justice
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:02pmAppeal and take all the way to Surpreme court.
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Borderlegion
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:58pmI do not think any one in Arizona, could not see this coming. Every other country on Earth protects their borders WHY CAN’T WE.
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40 Ford Ragtop
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:54pmEric, the place-Holder has politicized the Justice Dept and FBI far more than is understood.
This is another back door way to buy votes. It reminds me of the old Chanel No.5 commercial which said: “Promise her anything, but give her Chanel….” Liberal Progressives say: “Promise anything, but
we’ll do it however we want”. Arrogant Elitism with its insufferable self-annointed moral superiority.
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BetterDays
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:53pmSaw this coming, and so did Jan Brewers team as well.
But I still stand by me opinion that Jan passed the law to force the Federal Government to respond to the problem, to bring it into a national debate.
We also have listen to Obamas stance on the issue, he has no intention of informing any law that contributes to the continuation of our REPUBLIC.
In conclusion, it is as it has always been up to Americas peoples to work out, are there enough of us left I wonder?
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dat bee
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:36pmThere are legions of patriots…we need to inform and strengthen our families and neighbors. We can endure, overcome and protect.
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mrclean
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:50pmYes, oodles of patriots. This is just one more example of ‘liberals rule’ and they are pushing for the destruction of the USA.
To straighten this whole mess up will require dismantling….. well, you know the rest. Call it what you will, but civil war or revolution is knocking at our door. Thanks to the liberal agenda.
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NeoKong
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:53pmHow the Ninth Circuit will rule on any given topic is as predictable as high tide.
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starman70
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:11pmIf it is UN-AMERICAN they are in favor of it.
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jeff.cooper
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:52pmOf course they did. In a different ruling earlier today, they ruled that bears don’t crap in the woods.
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sissykatz
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:52pmGood Afternoon Blazers!!!!!!! Grandma enjoyed the links about Cats, Hello Snow,Show,Kate 82d and everyone.
Not surprised at this at all. If it is not liberal the 9th circuit can’t deal with it. Not too many more months until 2012,
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J.C. McGlynn
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:51pmI could have told you that a year ago. Anything that kills democrat communism or is for states rights this court votes against.
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sleazyhippo
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:33pmThere is no money anyway, I heard Arizona Senator Kyle say we need to slash the budget and the country is Broke. So there will be no Border Patrol for AZ to turn detainee over to.
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kickagrandma
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:50pmGuess what 9th circuit….. I side with ARIZONA against you!
Put that in your crooked pipe and light it up. You are history!
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AKMIIKEUS
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:45pmLOL, sounds like your pissed. Oh well, you could always move. Make everyone happy grandma and leave the US of A.
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 9:15pm@AKMIIKEUS Youre a commie rat bastard against the fundamentals of this country as founded. We will not allow your type to succeed no matter how hard you stomp your sissy feet and cry that this is your house. If you dont like the country as founded, you leave. We intend to restore this country to original intent. They have all the social ills it sounds like youre striving for already set up in France. Why dont you don your beret and YOU leave. I bet they would love you over there. Its a sissy socialist country, you should fit right in.
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Eblaze44
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:49pmAnd tell me, you expected a different result?
Every sovereign state/commonwealth that signed the Constitution have the right to protect their own borders – this is NOT a Federal right although they are supposed to protect the US borders. Failing to keep their part of the original bargain – should allow a state to withdraw from such a union that will not protect them.
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Vickie Dhaene
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:17pmI agree with you. I have suggested the same in the past.
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en2deep
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:49pmThe first thing an officer says to me when I am pulled over is “license and registration Please” in other words “papers please”, why should hispanics or anyone else not be asked the same thing?
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exdem
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:07pmWhats wrong with you??? Didn’t you watch Ed Shultz’s Black Agenda?? Blacks, Hispanics and Muslims(people of Crayola colors) should have more rights than evil white people who have stolen all the wealth and rights of others. Geez… get with the program! JK
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dat bee
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:29pmAbsolutely right, What could be more simple. License and registration…please.
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 9:22pm@exdem Just expanding on your crayola colors idea… I keep hearing them call themselves “people of color”. Can we now go back to just calling them colored people??? Is that racist??? Same thought just said shorter, and they brought it up first. I know, I know. I am white, Im racist… BUT… I was pink when I was born, white in the winter, brown in the summer, and I will be ashen when I die. Black is black, brown is brown, yellow is yellow, but I am multi colored. Who is the racist now??? Get over it. (not meant for exdem).
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marine249
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:48pm9thcircuit court lib it has to go s.c,
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avenger
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:48pmwow..what a surprise…we are getting closer to a civil war daily…..gold,guns and ammo….
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Larryjr
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:03pm@Avenger – you forgot about food, water and shelter. I’m stocking up on the other stuff you mention too.
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CatB
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:17pmDon’t forget your pets … I have a years supply of dog food and treats .. since she weighs 4 1/2 lbs .. that isn’t a lot .. but no matter what make certain you have food and water for ALL family members.
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Da Kingfish
Apr. 12, 2011 at 12:27amAz just keep rewriting and passing a different version and keep them busy having to rule on each version!
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 7:53pm@ avenger dont forget the beans my friend.
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 7:58pm@CATB I plan on feeding my 80lb Boxer the little 4 lb dogs and cats we find along the way. Just saying. They are running wild around here.
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BrerRabbit
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:47pmNo real surprise here.
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bullcrapbuster
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:47pmNo justice just politics as usual.
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moreteaplease
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:46pmI’m not surprised.
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exdem
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:57pmWe can’t close the borders!! How will the terrorists get in? How will the Mexican people reclaim their land? How will the democrats manipulate people for votes?? How could we not waste millions of taxpayer dollars by giving entittlements to the illegals? If we closed the borders , the bankrupting of America would take more time and we can’t have that. Just ask Soros and Hussein O’Barry.
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Brasil2520
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:45pmYa that’s about right
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banjarmon
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:47pmAZ enforce the law anyway!!!
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marhee9
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:47pmWe need to clean these liberal judges out of our courts. We have a county judge telling Scott Walker what he can do. A county judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68uzsXdMLS4
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:50pmNo suprise here, most of us in AZ have expected a liberal court to shoot it down anyhow, or in this case, back the Fed’s position. The part where it will matter is in the US Supreme Court now. It is there, if they accept hearing of the case, that it should be finally decided.
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mrsmileyface
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:56pmYet again here I am suprised…no really im suprised,,,, you can knock me down with a feather im soooo suprised.
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Revere1
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:58pmThe 9th Circuit is the 9th Circus. And they have no interest in stopping illegal immigration, any more than any other collection of liberals: http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/02/chat-about-illegal-immigration.html
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SavingtheRepublic.com
Apr. 11, 2011 at 1:59pm^______^______^
Where did these judges come from and how much longer do we have to wait til they get replaced? Case after case they rule against common sense. They constantly rule against the people and this nation, has anyone looked into any of these judges. Has anyone investigated them to see whether or not they are in direct contact with special interests? Has anyone investigated to see if they are being paid off. Nothing is impossible or unimaginable anymore in this country. Over the last few years Im noloner surprised by the power machine in this country and the “bloody murder” they get away with day after day….. You are too complacent America! So much so it would appear logic has been re-written:
The needs of few or the one outweigh the needs of many.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:01pm@The Blazers:
Take a look at another criminal activity against the US citizens and economy being done by the IRS.
It is on the Blaze Blog: IRS Running Amok…very interesting and needs to be stopped.
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Creestof
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:02pmLook at the bright side…one day we can all just move to Mexico…cause the place will be empty.
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riseandshine
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:05pmIt’s sad that the only thing protecting us is a one justice majority in the supreme court…what a precarious position.
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delhoghe
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:06pmMARHEE…yes,yes,let’s free ourselves from liberal judges. Let’s also avoid electing Republican presidents ( Reagan {PBUH}, Bush 41 , Bush 43 ) who advocate amnesty for illegals and other such nonsense. Let’s also hang treasonous farmers and others who hire illegal immigrants.Let’s also require any American business that moves jobs to Mexico to round up the same number of Mexican illegals as the number of Americans who lose their job. My previous employer moved 300 jobs from Ohio to Mexico, and should have been required to take 300 Mexican illegals back to Mexico to do those jobs. At least that’s the way this liberal sees it.
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MontanaRob
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:07pmbanjarmon
Posted: AZ enforce the law anyway!!!
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My sentiments exactly!!! What are they going to do, send in the troops? If so, it might just get this show on the road as a goodly portion would stand down or move to protect AZ!
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Obama Bin Lying
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:08pmNo Shock here, they are just enforcing the Obamination administrations agenda.
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CatB
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:12pmSTATES RIGHTS! … do we have to fight this again? If the FEDERAL government won’t do their job … then it falls to the state to protect it’s borders and citizens…..
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VRW Conspirator
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:12pmthe 9th Circuit is the most liberal of all the Appeals Courts….based in San Francisco…after all…
bunch of scum….sad to say they are in my state…
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CatB
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:12pmObamacare has been ruled unconstitutional ..and that isn’t stopping the FEDS .. I say don’t let this stop Arizona.
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Brasil2520
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:16pm“AFGHANISTAN SOUTH”
By Patrick Buchanan on March 6, 2009
“Heeding the advice of gen. Petraeus, Obama has committed 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan and will keep 50,000 in Iraq after US combat operations end in August 2010. But are US vital interests more threatened by what happens in Anbar or Helmand than in the war raging along our southern border?”
Buchanan, one of the few that put America first.
Putting America first a lost concept.
B
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mill
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:19pmobama adm doesn’t pay attention to courts, why should AZ
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Mannax
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:28pm9th Circus Court of (no)Appeal.
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sleazyhippo
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:29pmOnce again the exceptional American Justice System prevails against the pressure of vocal agitators and the mean spirited attempts of powerful special interest cabals to profit by overturning public constitutional rights.
This behind the scenes profit-making maneuver has failed, and those private investors who are building Arizona detainee and illegal holding facilities will have to find another use for their commercial prisons.
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smithclar3nc3
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:34pmArizona should cut off all taxes paid to the federal government. Arizona pays the federal governmet to enforce the border and control immigration. The government is doing neither. Arizona shouyld cut off all federal tax dollars and use the tax dollars to support it’s own state agencies and borders. Using the logic put forth by the 9th circuit court if it was the federal governments job to control crime Arizona wouldn’t have the right to stop crime within it’s state and would have to allowing it to keep happening.
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TXPilot
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:43pmThings won’t change, til the states start telling the Feds to “stuff it” and just do what needs to be done.
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hauschild
Apr. 11, 2011 at 2:51pmPar for the course.
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drbage
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:19pmDid anyone really expect the 9th Circuit to overrule anything that the O wanted?
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:24pm“it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue.”
Yes, you dolts on the 9th circus court bench, but what happens when the federal government doesn’t ENFORCE the law? What the heck is Arizona supposed to do? How about enforce it any way and see if the 9th circus court can do anything about it.
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restorehope
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:37pmToo bad judges can’t be recalled for being biased, but they can sidestep this decision and go to the Supreme Court for ruling. Only good thing to come out of this is that now the judge has been outed. Next election, this judge will be history.
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mrclean
Apr. 11, 2011 at 3:42pmIt seems we the people are being forced to move in ever-widening circles of fear.
Today’s circle is Fear of the Circuit Courts. States are forced to do what they tell us to do. States’ Rights? gone. And, to the courts’ detriment, they believe we quivver in fear and obedience to them.
The entirety of the US court system is deseased b/c it’s controlled by mentally sick liberals who OBVIOUSLY want this USA to fail. I say our 50 UNITED STATES (maybe minus the liberal ones) must pull together and tell the federal gov’ment to stuff it. Revolution 2.0 nearing…
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right-wing-waco
Apr. 11, 2011 at 4:00pmLets bus about 50,000 illegals to San Francisco and turn them loose up there and show them the where these 3 judges live. What happened to Article 4 of the Constitution? Guarantees the Federal Government to repel invasions.
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GODSAMERICA
Apr. 11, 2011 at 4:34pmThat about fits the bill. So the 9th Circuit is full of criminals that are aiding and abetting the illegal aliens in breaking the law. Maybe if the real law would do their job and arrest these jokers maybe the law might start meaning something again.
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BecksADweeb
Apr. 11, 2011 at 5:34pmThis is the way the legal system works. The State of Arizona can ask the US Supreme Court to review the 9th Circuit’s decision. Also, federal judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Their appointments are for life. They are not elected.
To fix the problem in Arizona all we need to do is hire a lot more border patrol agents. Oh, wait. The federal government is slashing $38 billion from the budget and tax revenues are stagnant. Oh well, we can spend money we don’t have.
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Stuck_in_CA
Apr. 11, 2011 at 6:22pmAPPEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
At every turn, the Left and its judicial hoes, rule against the will of the people. Take it all the way, Jan!
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DocStrangelove
Apr. 11, 2011 at 6:52pmYep.. It IS right, as the AZ law is a BLATANT violation of the 4th Amendment and even if the ROBERTS Court decides to even hear the case (which is doubtful) they will OVERTURN it.
This abomination will NEVER be enacted.
BTW…
Pat Buchanan is an avowed, unapologetic RACIST.
Period.
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DocStrangelove
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:00pmBRASIL2520…
Yes… that IS “about right”, pookie.
You see, the abomination of a “law” that the xenophobes in Arizona are trying to pass is a BLATANT violation of the 4th Amendment.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, PAPERS, and effects, AGAINST UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, shall not be violated, and NO WARRANTS SHALL ISSUE, but upon PROBABLE CAUSE, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Supported by OATH or AFFIRMATION.. which means a WITNESS must file CHARGES first BEFORE the police can ask for ID.
Don’t like it?
TOUGH.
So far as Pat Buchannan is concerned, he is an unapologetic, dyed-in-the-wool RACIST and seems PROOUD of it.
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Wolf
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:38pmLike there was some kind of big surprise in this happening. Yah… riggggghhhttt.
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REVerse
Apr. 11, 2011 at 7:57pmbanjarmon
Posted on April 11, 2011 at 1:47pm
AZ enforce the law anyway!!!
ABSOLUTELY! Do it anyway.
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Uncle Sham
Apr. 11, 2011 at 8:06pmThe US Dept of Justice argues that it violates the constitution because enforcing immigration law is a federal issue… and then it (the federal government) fails to enforce immigration law.
How ass-backward is that??
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dealer@678
Apr. 11, 2011 at 9:27pmThe 9th circuit panel needs to live across the alley from these mexicans when they have their birthday parties ( which is every week). When those mexican men start that yodeling stuff panties start flying
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steve14662
Apr. 11, 2011 at 10:25pmThis is why supreme court nominees are so crucial. The future unfortunately will result in more legislation from the bench. All you moderates out there wake up. Your liberty is being wittled away little by little by these types of decisions. And an elementary discussion it is. They are here frickin illegally, kick em out, whats to discuss.
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My Sacred Honor
Apr. 11, 2011 at 10:31pmFirst: No, my account hasn’t been jacked.
Second….second……..dammit…
“I agree somewhat with DOCSTRANGELOVE”
Ok. He (she) is correct that this Arizona law may violate the 4th Amendment, and should be sensibly reviewed by a fair court of judges. That being said, the 9th Circuit ain’t that body of fairness.
I also agree that the Supreme Court, with Chief Justice Roberts would be the best place for this law to be argued, given that Chief Justice Roberts is HYPER Constitutionalist and would be a fair judge, as would Justice Alito. HOWEVER!
If it truely is soley in the hands of the Fed to protect our borders, and they FAIL to make that happen, I’d say the border states THEN have a right to have their case heard against the Fed for deralliction of duty, and then have their case heard before the Senate.
And since we are talking about the obama admin, I reckon the next step would be passing this bill and telling the fed to eff off.
*All proper titles given in case Mizzus Boxer is reading this post.
Capitalization and title for obama withheld upon request from poster.
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My Sacred Honor
Apr. 11, 2011 at 10:45pmOh snap, I re-read and missed a whole paragraph from DOC…
“Supported by OATH or AFFIRMATION.. which means a WITNESS must file CHARGES first BEFORE the police can ask for ID.”
No, that is incorrect. Officers, as it stands now, DO have the right to ask for ID given probable cause.
Extreme example: If police are cruising a neighborhood, and a bloody man runs to them and screams “I JUST BEEN SHOT”, AND THE POLICE FOLLOW HIS BLOOD TRAIL TO A CLOSED HOUSE DOOR, THEY DON’T HAVE TO WAIT FOR A WARRENT TO BUST THE DOOR IN.
I ain’t retyping that. Just mark it up as a capsfail.
That is an example of probable cause taking precident over the 4th Amendment. What I was alluding to, was asking for an ID based on race, and here’s the tricky part. Once they illegally cross that border, they are then, as an unknown individual entity, considered a citizen of the United States. Given that there is a HUGE population of legal hispanics on the border, we really can’t just ask for IDs based on race. They have to find another solution.
I would suggest a massive pressence of their National Guards, under direct order of their respective Governors along the border. That is something the Fed cannot touch.
Except of course when the prez decides to gank them to fight a National war overseas….
Like in Lybia.
Time for the 50 Governors to have a conference and stand together. I believe this is the only glue which will hold our Great Nation together, piecing back together our shredded Constitution.
Semper Fi, America, and God bless us all.
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Kasman
Apr. 12, 2011 at 11:05amEach state has the ability to act in “their best interests”, regardless of the federal government. Just another prefect example of Federalism-(Fascism) gone wrong….
Too bad the South didn’t win the war…… Now go ahead and pop a vein in your head and re-learn history…. Although slavery, no matter how you look at it or spin it, it is WRONG. P.E.R.I.O.D. that was factually only a SMALL part of the American Civil War.
But lets talk about the FACTUAL reason the civil war started -> Federalism <- … in other words, the pukes in Washington thinking they know whats best for everyone in every state, and that they have the right to tell the states and the people within those states how they can live their lives and defend themselves…
So I say to Jan, tell both the Federal Gov. and the 9th Circus to go "F" themselves. Instruct the officers in YOUR state to enforce ALL parts of the Law your legislature passed. If any officer refuses, fire them on the spot, and bring charges of dereliction of duty… after-all they did swear to defend and up-hold both the US Constitution and your State Constitution….
/rant
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noblevegas
Apr. 12, 2011 at 3:06pm…and in other news, the scientists have discovered the sky is blue, water is wet, and the desert it hot.
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the_zazzy
Apr. 12, 2011 at 5:29pmSurprise, surprise, surprise. I AM SHOCKED (sarcasm)!
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Secret Squirrel
Apr. 12, 2011 at 6:16pm……….
Does the ninth circus court even read the case?
Certainly, the law doesn’t matter.
“Here, man, (inhale)
let’s knock out this ruling so we won’t be late for the communist rally at Berkley
You know how upset Van Jones gets if we keep him waiting.”
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 7:52pmIn that case AZ should stop enforcing ALL FEDERAL LAWS. Bank robbery, Murder, Etc. Funny because when Texas went to the feds (Homeland Insecurity???) they were told it was a states repsoonsability to enforce the border/illegals themselves. This government is out of control, violating the very laws in deed and spirit, acting outside of the constitutional restaints and limits placed upon it. Thieves, thugs and liars from the potus on down. Take back America and jail all who are acting in a criminal manner. 9th circuit court is a good enough place to start as any I suppose.
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Armed Patriot
Apr. 12, 2011 at 9:24pmresponsibility…
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