Middle School Yearbook List Compares Hitler and Bin Laden to…George W. Bush
Who says young people aren’t political?
A quasi-scandal has broken out at Arkansas’ Russellville Middle School. The school’s yearbook featured a list of the “Top 5 Worst People of All Time.” Some of the world’s most horrific murderers and maniacs were included: Adolph Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Charles Manson…
Few people would argue that these individuals don’t deserve a spot on that roster. Each went on murderous rampages and were, arguably, mentally-imbalanced. However, it’s the list’s last two names that are causing a stir: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. The former president and vice-president don’t seem to share many characteristics with the other men they were clumped with.
Once the yearbooks were printed, the district attempted to remedy the alleged oversight. KLRT-TVhas more:
Superintendent Randall Williams calls the list “an oversight.” Parents caught it after the yearbooks were printed. The district’s solution was to cover the list with tape. It didn’t work.
“Really?” said Williams when told the tape could be pulled off. “Well that’s disappointing because the yearbook supplier told us this was a definite fix.”
There’s no word yet on potential disciplinary measures for the teacher responsible for managing the yearbook’s production process, though the principal maintains that it was an accident. Mediaite asks another important question: Where did the list come from?
Williams explains that the teacher in charge of the yearbook didn’t put it in and is “very, very, very upset” about missing it before printing. Apparently some of the students pulled the thing off of the website Ranker.com, a site where people just make lists of stuff. A cursory search didn’t find the exact list in question although there are a ton of “worst people” rankings that do feature members of the Bush administration like this one, this one, and this one.
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chipmunk
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:42pmThis is a disgrace.
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Starkadder
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:41pmOk, as much as I dislike Obama with great intensity, Im not sure he would make the top 10
here is my top 5 most heinious.
#1 Caligula
#2 Tiberius
#3 Vladimir I. Lenin
#4 Josef Mengele
#5 Adolf Hitler
Yes I did place Mengele above Hitler, for obvious reasons I think.
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SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:36pmMy first thought was public schools and public school unions will be the death of this country unless we have a house cleaning. Then I thought, well this is the state that sent us the Clintons so what should I expect?
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last frontier
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:35pmIt’s time to take our schools back from the communist!
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progressiveslayer
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:34pmThe unionized freaks that run public schools brainwashing the kiddies,been going on for years and won’t stop until their unions are abolished.
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let us prey
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:32pmNo supervision for the kids or the adults.
No Stalin, Tung, Tito, Polpot, Che that is a weak list.
These were the smart honor students probably.
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Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:26pmGeorge Bush is not in the top 5, I’ll admit that isn’t right.
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UlyssesP
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:31pmWhere’s Che?
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pennswoods
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:17amWhere’s Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? I have a sickening feeling that the hundreds of millions these Marxists killed in the names of Marx, Engels, and Lenin during the last century weren’t on this “list” was because the students who thought including President Bush as a”joke” as part of their yearbook “prank” have no idea about mass murders of the last century such as the forced Ukrainian Famine of the early 1930′s when at least 7 million were starved to death by Stalin because they refused to join Soviet collective farms ot about the tens of millions who died in Stalin’s labor camps. Are the tens of millions killed during Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” and his other mass killings after the Communists took over China in 1949 mentioned in high school history books today?. Do kids today even know that less than 40 years ago Pol Pot (another Communist) had over 3 million of his own people killed in Cambodia in the late 1970′s? To compare President Bush in any way to the people on this year book list is a blasphemy to the victims of the killers I just mentioned and the others on their list. In a few months when some of them iare in college you can bet they will be wearing T shirts with Che’s picture on them. Of course they will have no ide Che personally shot at least 2,500 people after the Cuban revolution of 1959 not to mention the labor camaps Che set up in Cuba in the early 1960′s that were specifically created to work gay Cubans to death.
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RightUnite
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:26pmTime to fire those involved.
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Patriot Z
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:22pmi dont want it removed. I want thoes responsible to explain why they think that. Thats the problem. too much of “i dont like what you said,.,.,.SHUT UP!” going around. these kids are being brainwashed daily by marxists and leftists. this is a perfect opportunity to not only present conservative view point. but to pit it against what they are being taught and show and prove WHY it is not correct. why do you think so many marxists are kids? its because like children marxists want to show how right they are and how they know more than everyone else, even when they know what they are doing is wrong …and ESPECIALLY if they know its wrong. to them it makes them cooler and martyrs or opressed, or rebel fighters. but when we continiually show them and proove they are wrong it only makes the leaders look like ignorant and selfish fools, and takes awa the ‘cool’ facade of a “rebel with a cause fighting the man’
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UlyssesP
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:30pmGood observation. Progressives always come off as whining brats and you summed it up nicely.
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smokie
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 4:25amI would like for people to know the reasons why they believe the things they do, you are right.
I don’t find this incident outrageous, though. I think it’s more along the lines of kids saying “Jane, you ignorant slut.” all the time when I was in school, even though there were no girls named Jane, and have of them couldn’t define the word ‘slut’. It’s just a SNL catchphrase. No one believes Gerald Ford is clumsy anymore, and look at Chevy Chase today.
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trooper
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:21pmIt’s a very short and vauge list, I feel obama will be added to the list in the near fuure, what do you think?
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trooper
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:19pmObama’s “children of the corn” comming your way soon.
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trooper
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:16pmDoes this mean that the movie “children of the coon” is comming to a nighborhood near us all?
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pamela kay
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:33amTROOPER>>>>>>>>>>>>Really? Did you just use the term coon? Come on, that was not necessary and is offensive to the black community. It defeats the purpose of what we are trying to accomplish. It makes us look like racist, and we are not. I have to stick up for to Bush and Cheney. After-all, even Hillary voted for the war due to the facts that were presented to congress about the weapons of mass destruction. Say what you want we were not hit again after 9/11 under Bush. I know that I felt safer then than I do now.. I love how obama takes all the credit for killing UBL. Surprise…………….obama is still using many of the Bush administrations policies. Why? because they are necessary. Not only for our country’s safety but he can spin it in a way that makes him look good in 2012. He has added a few of his own personal touches that are to his advantage. and agenda. I would like to get some info from our troops who know first hand. . The ones that I know believe in their mission, and talk about the the advances that have been made for the people of Iraq and Afganistan. “War is Hell”, and our troops give the ultimate sacrifice by enlisting to protect our freedom. At least Bush hasn’t put our country in jeopardy like obama has. I don’t think that he was perfect nor did I agree with everything that he did while in office but when you compare Bush and obama, Bush wins hands down.
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one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:09am@ PAMELA.. What makes you think of a black person when someone says the word ” COON “.. Honey I think YOU are the one with the problem.. The thought never even crossed my mind..
You sound like a leftist..
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momprayn
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:14pmJust repeating what they hear from their equally clueless, immature liberal parents/guardians/step – parents/significant others/live in boyfriends, girlfriends/whatevers. That’s all you hear from lib, lefty sites. They more than hate Cheney and Bush. So this should be no surprise….and no, I wouldn’t be surprised the teacher knew since our public schools are full of lib teachers trying to indoctrinate. Sigh……………
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spirited
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:14pmJeepers…….black tape didn’t work?
–A (better) bandage would be a permanent black marker.
>For a designer look, use a razor blade to cut out the whole list; A window to tomorrow
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vennoye
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:22pmFor a designer look, use a razor blade to cut out the whole list; A window to tomorrow
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Great Solution!!
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STEEZYD
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:14pmI’m actually surprised things of this nature don’t occur with more frequency. Considering the current public school system and the leftist whacko instructors who preach nonsense like this all day long, you’d think you’d see it even more.
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BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:10pmWhy was Obama missing from that list???????
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chris3
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:40pmif he was on the list don’t you think that the SS would have already taken them down? By the way, I don’t know who scares me more,the left who find this ok or the far whatever that calls for extreme reactions to petty things(ok maybe it’s not petty)but not worth blood. evil is evil truth is truth
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Rob
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:10pmBlame the teachers. Everything is there fault, including people using “there” instead of “their”. Those BASTURDS!
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one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:07amOr ” They’re ” .. errr !!! dope.
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stopthis
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:10pmIf you read about FEMA camps, Bildenburg, New World Order, the federal reserve power you MAY understand a little more. Check out FEMA camps martial law and get a big shock. America will not feel the same again. Now Obama has his own twist on the FEMA camps.
The list just tells part of the story. All Americans need to read more. Like GB says, “Look it up yourselves”
America wake up now. Or else we are dead conservative or liberal/socialist.
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treshall
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:49pmIt’s some scary s***, that’s for sure. We all need to pray for God’s mercy.
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Seth Patriot
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:08pmAs a former teacher and yearbook advisor, I am convinced that the progressive teacher knew about this list all along. You have to proof the pages before submission.
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50BMG
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:21pmI agree, the faculty advisor is ultimately responsible for what appeared in the printed book.
But if the list was not inserted, who are the students who inserted it? If one of them was my child, he or she would receive a stern lecture about the difference between lunatic mass murderers and progressive propaganda. And perhaps a good spanking, depending on the response.
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kickagrandma
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:55pm@SETH PATRIOT~~~
Good for you. That is exactly what I meant by “Where was the teacher?” question earlier in the post.
Bless you heart! You have earned some stars in your crown.
I only subbed one 6 weeks’ period or so for a journalism/year book teacher in high school. And, while I LOVED the kids and the experience (because the kids AND the regular teacher were exemplary in a public school), I wouldn’t want to do that in today’s world.
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Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 10:28pm@50BMG
We need to talk!
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RandWasRight
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:07pmAh, the wit and sophistry of fifteen-year-olds on display. Kids who don’t think, don’t read, have no understanding of history, and no idea of how the world really works egging each other on to new heights of stupidity. What a shock.
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loadingmyclips
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 11:11pmexactly my thoughts. highly educated? I think not.
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GERATMO
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 3:25pmThe sad thing is they are being educated by Liberal union thugs. They only know what their taught in school. The Liberal disease is spreading to our youth.
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Oil_Robb
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:06pmLeftists……Unionized teachers…this wasnt an oversight, its easier to do it and lie about it after wards
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vennoye
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:05pmDefund NEA!!!
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:18pmAgreed!
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Mr. Oshawott
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:53pm@Vennoye
And defund the U.S. Department of Education!
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Mandors
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:27pmTwo for two.
Get rid of both those instruments of propaganda.
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Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 10:24pmWell, thelongest journey begins with a single step. Just say’n.
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Opinionmonger
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 5:40amHOW DUMB WILL YOU ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO BECOME?
Educating your kids yourself wil get you in jail, because the stupid cannot afford the fine.
Read all about that at http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com
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Reavist
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:02pmIt was the teacher’s responsibility to catch such an “error”. The parents should make a very big deal of this – fight to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again.
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one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:03am@ REAVIST,,, Exactly… : Teacher ) Ok students, when you all are finished with the yearbook, and have it exactly the way you want it, sit a copy on my desk…
Teacher receives finalized copy, Goes through it with a fine tooth comb, (every page mind you ) and removes everything that shouldn’t be in that damn year book…
Problem never happens.. I find it hard to believe that the teacher in charge didn’t know this was in the year book… I just don’t believe it.
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randy
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:02pmI’d like to know the teachers name
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Locked
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:11pmJust curious, but why? Would you send hate mail or file a lawsuit against them? There’s really no need for an anonymous commentator to know that – nothing good could come of it.
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treshall
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:46pmHey, 6, just a quick question: if you could rate the former vice president on that list, would you spell his name correctly?
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RepubliCorp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 8:01pmLock-Lock-Lock……….we need a commie eradication list for future use.
Get it? The FEMA camps & coffins shouldn’t go to waste
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GeorgieJo
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:05amBILL CLINTON should be on that list
JIMMY Carter
Talk about LOSER presidents!!!!
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cadmstr01
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:24pmWith this list, it must be Keith Olberman!
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kickagrandma
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 6:58pmWhere was the faculty sponsor? Where is the journalism teacher? Where are the parents?
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Locked
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:04pm@Grandma
It’s all answered in the article.
the teacher in charge of the yearbook didn’t put it in and is “very, very, very upset” about missing it before printing.
Parents caught it after the yearbooks were printed.
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AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:05pmIf middle schoolers want to display their creativity, why don’t they do it in a way that doesn’t make them look like they’ve got their heads up their behinds?
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dr_funk
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:11pmTower7 is certifiably insane.
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TOMSERVO
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:12pmThis kind of thing happens all of the time. I was in newspaper back in high school and we constantly slipped in things that weren’t noticed until it was printed and in students’ hands, usually far worse than this. The difference is that the Blaze decided to take umbrage to this one silly example of teenagers pulling a prank/being lazy.
Yawn
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hersey10
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:12pmNo dumbo that’s NOT an oversight . That’s an intentional smear .
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CatB
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:13pmJust repeating what they have been indoctrinated with by the school … parents HOME SCHOOL!
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tower7femacamp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:15pmhttp://www.infowars.com/18-signs-life-in-u-s-public-schools-now-equivalent-to-life-in-u-s-prisons/
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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:17pmIt is getting to the point where we (whoever “we” happens to be at the time) hate every person in charge of anything…turning us in and on ourselves. It will just make the takeover that much easier when “they” attack us.
We need to (as conservative republicans) tell individuals who CAn rally this country together to either put up or shut up…and by “shut up” I mean telling the Christie’s to run or plan on being voted out of office next election, the Glenn Beck’s to run or get off the air…and those teasing us along for their decision…speak up or shut the hell up.
We no longer care about your personal reasons for not running, we don’t care about the toll it will take on your personal life or personal finances…our founding fathers did not have such luxury’s as these to take into account. They simply knew their country needed them and that was all that mattered.
When will you take a stand!
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We Are Not Alone
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:19pmSomebody needs to be fired….. these teachers don’t teach my values…. as a matter of fact, I don’t want them any where near my kids…..
Just an oversight my $ss
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Jediusetheforce
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:23pmThe parents are on vacation and the rest are liberals. George Bush + cheney sucked and the rest are evil. Let the War begin.
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Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:24pmMaybe they believed what they wrote.
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starman70
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:26pm@ AOL_REFUGEE:
The kids didn’t do it. It was a far left liberal UNION lackey of a school teacher who surreptitiously, without the knowledge or approval of the school administration added this to the yearbook. This teacher should be FIRED! Furthermore, he should be banned from ever teaching again ANYWHERE! This is just another example ofr how twisted these union thugs are and how they are trying to destroy America.
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tower7femacamp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:26pmAll three of these guys were created with a purpose.
Today we have the Bilderburg group.
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tower7femacamp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:28pmAll 3 of these guys worship the same God,
Lucifer.
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godlovinmom
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:33pmThat’s quite the list!
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encinom
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:35pmDon;t you just love it when a little truth slips into the red states. The students seem to have an idea whats going on.
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six6six
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:35pmI’d rate Chaney #3.
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Dustyluv
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:41pmTower 7 could you post your address? Pretty please?
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SHOESHINEBOY
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:43pmIn love and forever in service of BHO.
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tower7femacamp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:45pmWhy DUSTYLUV ? do you want be my friend on facebook ?
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banjarmon
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:47pmUnion TEACHERS!!!!
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grandmaof5
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:48pm5 seconds or less to cancel my kid’s yearbook – probably less!
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tower7femacamp
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:49pmthe bohemian grove
http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/bush-mccain-obama-to-visit-bohemian-grove/
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coryf076
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:51pmfor sure those people on the list are worse than Mao or Stalin…
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techengineer11
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 7:59pmOne thing is for certain by any definition of it and that is GWB and his administration are War Criminals guilty of mass civilian murder but I wouldn’t support turning them over to the Hague.. I’d prefer to see them tried and executed right here in the USA…
How any sane man or woman especially a Christian could attempt to justify what we did over there is far beyond my comprehension! I would urge you to consider under what grounds or pretext would it be alright for the Chinese or Russians to invade the US?
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mill
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 8:05pmfire their liberal asses. no excuses folks, this is disgusting, biased, and heads need to roll.
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IMPEACHBHO
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 8:05pmJust another example of our corrupt school system spewing out progressive socialism. Bush? The only dictator president I know of is BHO.
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Cemoto78
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 8:43pmObviously this list is racist as 4 of the 5 people mentioned are white. Where’s J. Jackson, Al not-so Sharpton, and the ACLU when you need them. (sarc)
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jb.kibs
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:09pmwho wrote the list?
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CowboyExpat
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:20pm@locked…you are silly with your nonsensical posting
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Locked
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:24pm@Cowboy
How is it nonsense? The OP asked about the faculty member and the parents, when both were addressed in the article.
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AKMIIKEUS
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:25pmwow, can the Right be this stupid?
If you really wanted to cross out all those names, just take a Black Sharpie and cross out the two names in every book. Sharpies are permanent.
I’m beginning to think the Right just loves to complain and hate and doesn’t care about solving situations when they arise.
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riseandshine
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 9:31pmBush and Cheney both should be in prison…and Obama can join them.
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booger71
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 11:01pmAll the kooks are out in force.
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Patrick in AZ
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 11:12pmThese people sound like they went to the Anthony’s Wiener school of lies — err, uhhh — spin.
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MIBUGNU2
Posted on June 1, 2011 at 11:44pmI want to know why Sarah Palin is not on this List ???
Can you say “Teacher’s Union” ?? Really Sick..
Time to put Parents in the Classroom..GAWD !!
They don’t even wait for the College Prof”s to
currupt young minds anymore,good jumpstart !!
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tersky
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:20amWhat I want to know is where have the history teachers been for the last seven years or so of these kids’ educations? There are so many far more obvious candidates if the kids had the slightest clue. Pol Pot. Idi Amin. Stalin. Castro. Che. Franco. Attila the Hun. Henry VIII.
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No1YaKnow
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:39amWell, they were indoctrinated well. And don’t expect anyone from Nukem High to do a thing. (from Arkansas–Russelville’s school is referred to as such because of their nuclear power plant)
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No1YaKnow
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:42amEncinom–your thought process is actually in the minority. Hollyweird and the MSM try to convince you it is the majority opinion. Now scurry off like a good little cockroach and see if you can procure employment in the age of Barry Soetero.
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ILUVJESUS
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 12:50amPut them all together they spell O B A M A…………
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Rational Man
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:28amI’m just surprised to learn that Hitler, Manson and Bin Laden had done so much humanitarian work in Africa. And given so much aid to other countries! I still think Bush has them beat on Aids help in Africa though…………………………..
Propaganda like this in schools is how you get crazy radical Muslims to strap on a bomb and go blow people up and fly airplanes into buildings!
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Elena2010
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:40am@Grandma — at a union meeting!
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Polwatcher
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 5:46amI never liked GWB but if anyone can compare him to Hitler and and give Obama a pass, then that person is so stupid that they will not be able work for food (and probably don’t).
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avenger
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 6:16amtime to abolish the dept. of education and privatize the schools…
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Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:21amI try to stay calm. But…I’d love to wring their skinny little necks.
I HATE THE LEFT. THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES IN EVERY SINGLE WAY.
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one yrs. food ration like Glenn says..
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:51am@SIX7SIX.. You must’ve went to the same school as these morons go to… You can’t even spell the name of the person that you hate so much.. It’s Cheney, Idiot..
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smithclar3nc3
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:52amAnother fine example of what our liberal indoctrination center are teaching the children and these kids are 11 and 12 year olds just imagine what high schooler and college students are being taught. After this see it been going on for years first you instill these beliefs at an early age and then you unquestionably foster them through-out their higher education. This is why home schooling should be the goal of every conservative,moderate or christian parent in the country.
Any parent who wants to raise Americans should be looking into any altenatives to our L.I.C. public schools.
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frodis
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:05amKids are indoctrinated. They don’t know any better. It’s simply disgusting that this happened. That school should be ashamed. Maybe they can add Obama next year.
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rangerp
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:42amwhat do you think would happen if Pres Obama had been on that list? Do you think folks would tell you to put a piece of tap on it? Better yet, what if Michelle Obama got smeared in a middle school year book? Always a seperate of standards when you compare conservatives to liberlas.
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rangerp
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 8:43amsorry, arthritis and being miffed are not helping my spelling today.
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michael48
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 11:43amencinom/akmiikeus…get back in grannies garage, lemming patrol is in the hood…
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CultureWarriors
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 1:44pmBoy who ever did that sure was an idiot. Hitler was a left wing socialist. Obama is far closer to Hitler than any leader we’ve had for a while. But that’s what makes liberals morons, they ignore that fact that all tyrants in history have been from what we today in this country call the left. You see you just don’t have to force people to be free like conservatives want, but when you force left wing politics on people it always results in mass murder and the leftists always lose in the end. So if you think that’s going to change, you’re an idiot.
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chazman
Posted on June 2, 2011 at 7:00pmAnd next year the list of top five worst people will be: Mao, Castro, Hitler, Obama and Biden …
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