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Should Using a Fake Name Mean Forfeiture of Fourth Amendment Rights?

Feb. 15, 2012 12:27pm Liz Klimas

If you thought using a fake name to buy your cellphone plan was a good idea — disregarding the likelihood that you were probably planning some sneaky activity — the Department of Justice is saying you may have just waived away your Fourth Amendment rights with that move.

DOJ: Use of a Fake Name Could Strip Away Your Fourth Amendment Rights

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According to the Wall Street Journal, Daniel David Rigmaiden did just that and his phone was tracked without a warrant using a stingray device by the government in order to reveal that he was filing fraudulent tax returns. Use of this device without a warrant was deemed in court as unconstitutional. But now, the Department of Justice is saying that because Rigmaiden used a fake name and address of a deceased person to create this account and purchase equipment, his rights under the Fourth Amendment that would have required a warrant are forfeited.

More specifically, Gizmodo reports, that a search warrant was not obtained to track Rigmaiden’s cellphone location, which led authorities to an apartment — at which point they did receive a warrant to search — where they found his fake ID and a broadband card with the allegedly incriminating evidence.

WSJ reports that in other recent cases warrantless searches have been permitted when the person searched used fraud to obtain the device. Still, there are opponents to this school of thought, holding that people “have a reasonable expectation of privacy”, which would still require a warrant:

“It’s not against the law to use a fake name,” said Adam Candeub, director of the Intellectual Property, Information and Communications Law Program at Michigan State University. The use of a fake ID and signing of a lease might be a different matter, though. “It can be fraudulent if you are entering into a contract under a fake name, but if it is a simple retail transaction the law is not clear,” he said.

WSJ reports Susan Freiwald, professor at the University of San Francisco School of Law, said that using a fake name is not a large enough offense to strip away these rights.

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tharpdevenport
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:59pm
Everytime I see that red and white sticker, I always see this:
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2787/inigomontoya.jpg

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- Walkabout
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 5:21pm
  Rigmaiden dislike s the government for some of the same reason I do, no doubt.
  
  But stealing someone else’s identity is beyond the pale, be the illegal alien crossing the border or tax protester.
  
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- WeDontNeedNoSteenkinBadges10
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 4:09am
  tharpdevenport – http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2787/inigomontoya.jpg
  
  LOL !! I don’t need no stinkin’ badges, but I like that one!
  
  “If you thought using a fake name … the Department of Justice is saying you may have just waived away your Fourth Amendment rights with that move.”
  
  LOL !! My little friend doesn’t agree with you. Say hello to my little friend:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2wD5TaMf2k
  
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- TomFerrari
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:01am
  Having lived proximate to Hollywood, in Palm Springs, there are many people (actors, etc ) who change their names. You are legally allowed to go by any name you wish.
  This is why police track aliases. What could be more of a personal right than self identity?
  Your parents chose your name. But, you are free (mostly) and an adult, and you can change it if you like. The problem is, the government has too much money and is lazy. They want computers to do all their work for them, so they want to force you to go through them to change your name. That way they have a digital record, and don’t have to look for you.
  
  Can you imagine all the “Junior’s” and “Bubbas” we would put in jail because they werent using their government name? All the women who got married or divorced and never changed their name?
  
  All the people who were baptized and use a “Christian name”?
  
  Big Brother is alive and thriving… and getting bigger by the second.
  
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- tharpdevenport
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 9:11pm
  Only ERIC HOLDER’S Justice Department thinks this. Once we root him out (once he goes to jail over Fast and Furious, and lying under oath), replace him, and shake things up there, this will go bye-bye.
  
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- Protoham
  Posted on February 18, 2012 at 4:12pm
  Police and FBI do this all the time when working undercover. You guys just handed a new weapon to the bad guys!
  
  Now ask yourself, exactly why do I have to provide a name to buy a cell phone? Let alone a SSN.
  
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Call2Action
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:55pm
If there is not a law against something, then it is legal. The government is way too intrusive and has exceeded it’s constitutional authority.

Citizens should refuse to obey the unconstitutional demands of government officials.

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- JRook
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Sounds great but the individual utilized a deceased person’s identity. The 4th. Amendment rights attach to that person not this criminal. As far as the police knew it was the dead persons phone and the criminal stole it.
  
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- @leftfighter
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 3:13pm
  What is there not a law against?
  
  Things recently remind me of one particular fascist regime that, over the course of about 6 years, slowly whittled away at existing laws so much that no matter what you did (or didn’t do) you were in violation of one law or another and literally anyone could be detained at any time for any reason.
  
  That nation’s leader also came out of nowhere to claim the Executive branch shortly after the economy crashed, and that guy became a dictator who would act before the legislature approved what he was doing, if they spoke up, he’s have his thugs kill the loudest dissenter, and he eventually marginalized them effectively out of existence.
  
  We’re not quite to the Hitler moment yet, but there are several similarities going past us as we hurdle down the road.
  
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- What_Did_I_Miss
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:11pm
  It would not take too much perverted reasoning like this to say all of us on this blog with our fancy pseudonyms have forfeited our 4th ammendment rights also. If everything is illegal, everybody is a criminal.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 8:15am
  This kind of sting is BS and strictly a control tactic. If using fake names is so bad, half of hollywierd would be in prison.
  If there’s no law against it, who cares? If there is a law against it, who cares? There are enough stupid nanny state laws ‘on the books’ every politician should be in jail for disobeying.
  That this person used a deceased person’s name and dates is moot- he sure didn’t hurt the person any.
  
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Mo Better
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:53pm
Shut up, you little people! Just shut up!

We’re the government. WE decide what Constitutional rights you get to have, you don’t! If we decide some behavior you engage in is not to our liking we will arbitrarily and unilaterally strip you of a Constitutional right, so get used to it.

It is a new day in Amerika. MAObama is in charge and he will decide what freedoms you have to give up and which liberties, if any, you get to keep, (after he consults with his Marxist Consort, Moochelle Antionette Fatazz, that is) You normal God-fearing, law-abiding, taxpaying white people have had your day – it is time for Muslims, black liberationists, militant homosexuals, transgender degenerates, atheists, God-haters, anti-semites, radicals, perverts, thieves, statists, Marxists, Maoists, New Black Panthers, crony capitalists, Occupy whackos and whatever other vermin and evil we wish to promote, encourage and support. Your day is over, give it up – the NWO is in charge…. and loving every get-even minute….

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- wtune
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 8:08pm
  How many of you out there are, like me, concerned about the November elections. The way this president has trampled on the Constitution and bypassed Congress, I fear we may have national SEIU-led riots in October. Then the president will have to declare martial law to restore order. Of course, he will have to avoid potentially violent assemblies such as might appear at the polls. Therefore he will postpone elections “until order is restored.”
  
  This tactic has been used in Third World countries for years. And Obama is trying to make us a Third World country, destitute and weak. As he succeeds in our “change,” he will assume ever more dictatorial powers.
  
  I know I am paranoid, but as the saying goes “Just because you are paranoid does not mean others aren;t out to get you.”
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 10:05pm
  paranoid or not, keep speaking, because IF it does happen people will already know why…..well a lot of people will….others might dismiss it as coincidence….
  
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- toto
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 12:23am
  WTUNE I fear you are right and the damage and destruction done to the White House and other government building will be terrible, no doubt the worst imaginable. I suggest Congress get ready and have cameras installed in all offices and corridors of “power” to prevent what is possible. These people have NO morals and don’t follow something as simple as the Golden Rule. Think how much money and time could be saved if all people applied it in Washington, in businesses, in schools. It’s tragic really.
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Mo Better:
  Say Hello To My Little Friend …..
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2wD5TaMf2k
  
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Tickdog
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:50pm
why use a fake name unless you are doing something illegal? which case that would make you a democrat… etc…

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:07pm
  LOL, like celebrities?
  
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- bertr
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:13pm
  Might i point out you are most likely posting under a fake name unless you are legally named tickdog. lol
  
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- finky555
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:48pm
  hehehe Bertr, mine isn’t fake, I was named after long distance information, their always finking out people’s phone numbers
  
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- BSdetector
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:48pm
  Or if you’re doing something perfectly legal that the government frowns upon and has decided they will make a law later to retroactively punish you on.
  Such as: Stocking up on food, gold, weapons, ammo, books, common sense, and any other things they don’t think you can be trusted with.
  
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- Pontiac
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 3:03pm
  Yeah, I’m not Pontiac, and whatever name I used in the signup isn’t my name either. The less personal information you give out the safer you are from identity theft, hackers, personal threats, and scams.
  
  Hell after signing up TheBlaze emailed me my confirmation with my PASSWORD included. How stupid is that? Very. It means all the passwords are vulnerable to hackers. Make sure that password not used for anything else. Especially your email account you signed up with.
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 4:51pm
  Possibly doing something illegal doesn’t take away your rights. All they would need to do suspect you were up to no good and they can violate your 4th amendment right? Then I suppose they can ignore your 5th amendment, 1st, and 2nd as well. I guess you really don’t have any rights.
  
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- Ne_FAL
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 5:19pm
  Not having faith in the Constitutional fidelity ,honesty ,integrity,etc of the various Federal govt, agencies political parties (both Democrats & Republicans) why wouldn’t I want to make it as difficult as I can to have the nosey bastards to snoop on me.
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on February 16, 2012 at 3:43pm
  Tickdog:
  Huh? HAVE YOU READ THE U.S. CONSTITUTION LATELY? How about the Bill of Rights?
  
  What other liberties are you willing to give up for security? THEN, YOU DESERVE NONE.
  
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brickmoon
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:46pm
Better not order a bacon double cheeseburger using a fake name, or you can expect a visit from you-know-who — and don’t be surprised if you find a tracking device in your kid’s bag lunch.

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- Highland
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 3:59pm
  Michelle “Sasquatch” Obama will come after you in a heartbeat. Only she and Barry are allowed to eat cheeseburgers, wings and French fries. The rest of us will be thrown in arugula prison.
  
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rsanchez1
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:44pm
That means using a fake name or the address of the deceased person should forfeit your right to vote too, right Eric Holder? Or does this interpretation not apply to Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck?

How many other Constitutional rights are we gonna have to forfeit under this administration?

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- finky555
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:54pm
  This is seriously not a good precedent they are setting. Assuming a dead person’s id would seem to be illegal and they may have a case, but to just go by a random made up name should not even red flag someone, it is not illegal. I would concentrate more on the cell phone invasion of privacy, is that legal without warrant? Here in Canada he’d lose the privacy argument, cells signals are public domain here.
  
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- mred33
  Posted on February 18, 2012 at 8:49pm
  You can probably find someone somewhere with the same name you decide to use, so if that is the case, then your name has a very good chance of being used by someone too. How many John Smith’s have you heard of??
  
  As for giving up my constitutional rights, I don’t remember signing anything at any time in my life that said if I do something the government doesn’t like, they can take away my rights. I would like to know where it says anything close to that in the constitution. Obama and his cronies may try and take away my rights, but there is still that nasty constitution that tells me that he has been breaking the constitution since day one of his administration. Now given that this idiot can’t follow the constitution that he has sworn to SERVE and PROTECT, what gives him or anyone else in this administration the right to take my rights away. There is nothing in that constitution that says that anyone in the country no matter who they are that can take away my rights without due process. Unless and until I am convicted of something like TREASON, then he can’t take away my rights and neither can the DOJ. Just because our sorry congress is letting him get away with this nonsense does not mean that we have put up with it. It is way past time to impeach this clown. Do you really think this clown will let us have an election this November??? Why he might loose……..
  
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ZeroOff4impact
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:39pm
So every site you enter with a user id is now subject. everything you do is now subject.
COME BACK WITH A WARRANT !!! have a nice day.
Unless and until you demand this you will be searched. Never allow anyone to search anything without a warrant… Period.

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TexBork
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:23pm
“Should Using a Fake Name Mean Forfeiture of Fourth Amendment Rights?” Well, yes. Absolutely or my name isn’t “TexBork”.

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Micmac
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:22pm
It use to be every week that I would see this administration trampling on our constitution… now it’s every day.

NoBama 2012

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- armorbearer
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:34pm
  It seems more like something new every hour.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:48pm
  It’s a sport for the Marxist in chief,he’s seeing how long it will take to make the constitution utterly meaningless.He’s working hard at eviscerating the constitution and he’ll need four more years to finish off our republic.
  
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Rickfromillinois
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:14pm
Who needs all of those pesky rights anyhow? It seems as though every week there is another story about the Government saying that violating our rights isn’t really violating our rights.

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tzion
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:14pm
If he used a fake name, wouldn’t you be able to get a warrant? Why suspend the need when you could probably convince a judge to give you one anyways? Answer, because they won’t stop here.

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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:11pm
Hey all of my screen names are fake…ROTFLAMAO.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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- Walkabout
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 5:25pm
  Wat Tyler
  
  Such an interesting name (The Peasants’ Revolt, Wat Tyler’s Rebellion, or the Great Rising of 1381 )
  
  Somehow there seem to be some deja vu in the name Wat Tyler & Nat Turner. Different century same story with a few twists. Of course I am just crazy
  
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- Wat Tyler
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 11:06pm
  OK I posted this benign comment once before and some jack@ss deleted it. Perhaps there’s something more sinister than meets the eye to the Spooks, like maybe you’re not supposed to think of this:
  
  You brought up a good point @ SamIamTwo. Like Tucho Ramirez once said in “The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly”:
  “One name is as good as another…It’s not good to use your real name.”
  
  All joking aside, this brings up a serious point: Does this mean they can pursue screen names without oversight and warrants?
  
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cannon12pdr
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:08pm
If that is the case then why don’t they arrest Obama for using a fake name, meaning one that he uses now that was not legally changed.

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- banjarmon
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:15pm
  Amen!!!!!!
  
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- Miyegombo Bayartsogt
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:35pm
  If being totally fake got you arrested, Berrick “Bad B.O.” Obama would be in maximum security.
  
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- Kitsune
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Yeah, but who was going to vote for “Steve Dunham”? That’s not a “progressive” “ethnic” name at all.
  
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- babylonvi
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 3:11pm
  And fake Social Security Number.
  
  You SURELY should be able to get a warrant for all THAT.
  
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Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:07pm
Law Enforcement: Judge i need a Warrant to track a phone bought under a fake name and address.
Judge: Ok.

How Hard was that?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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EschatonNow
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:01pm
Submit Slaves ! Allah knows best. I mean Apollyon ! Same thing!

Anyway, why do you all care about the US Constitution; the South African or Bangladesh Constitutions are better ! Just ask the traitor/enemy of……err, I mean great defender of the US Constitution; SCOTUS Judge Ginsberg ! Maranatha !

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MakeCommonSense
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:59pm
Ask any eighth grader what the Constitution and Bill of Rights say about this matter. If they cannot clearly tell you what the correct answer is, then you know what the problem is. Our children are not getting an appropriate education about the history and heritage of freedom in this country.

We have a President who didn’t grow up in America. He didn’t experience America and what it means to know freedom and pride in his country. We can see the results. Without our children learning what it used to mean to be a freedom loving American, with pride in country and self reliance, we will continue to lose all that has made America great. We will be relegated to one more “experiment” in history.

If the government knew that a phone was purchased in a “false” name, then they knew enought to get a warrant. While someone can arguably waive a right, nobody can deny them of a right… or take it away. At least not in the America I knew growing up.

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- Smokey_Bojangles
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:08pm
  We do not need lawyers,We just need people with Reading Comprehension skills! hahahha
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:16pm
  As those Lawyers the questions first.
  
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- jb.kibs
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:18pm
  yes… this is just ridiculous…
  
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- wtune
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 8:20pm
  What do you mean our kids aren’t getting a good educqation? They are well informed that Columbus was a genocidal mass murderer; Washington was a slave owner; Franklin was a Deist or probably an atheist; that the Indians, pardon, Native Americans were peace loving people living in perfect harmony with nature, never knowing disease until it came from Europe; that it was Republicans who fought against the Civil Rights Act rather than Tennessee Democratic Senator Albert Gore Sr. who filibustered against it; and that Bull Conners was a Republican. And lest we forget, they know thaqt the KKK is a Republican affiliate. At least that’s what their teachers and textbooks teach them.
  
  Of course, everything above is a bold faced lie or at best, an exageration!!! But who cares about the truth when lies and inuendo forward the Progressive agenda?
  
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Searchingforthelight
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:56pm
I would suppose it would be how and where you used it. Some names are nick names. Some names are used because the person using them is in the middle of a name change. On that basis alone can they stretch the truth and tape your cell phone to record you in what they piece together as incriminating evidence ? I would hope we had a better system in place to protect the United States Citizens. A would hope the system would work for us. And what judge would approve of this?
Wouldn’t rights of information allow us to see why this was approved and who approved it.

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- azmomof6
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:13pm
  The article said the name this man used was the real name of a deceased person. Did the DOJ get a warrant to track conversations in the deceased person’s name? No. Whether or not the name is real, a warrant should be legally obtained in order to spy on U.S. citizens.
  
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- GhostOfJefferson
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:49pm
  I’m pretty certain that in “the old days” they called fake names an “alias”, and still needed a warrant regardless.
  
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Fus Patrol
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:52pm
The only time using a false name is illegal is when under Official Pice investigation, a false name DOB or social security number is then considered False Identification to Law Enforcement, a Misdemeanor in PA. The key is that you first have to have already violated the law.

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- jb.kibs
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:15pm
  the 4th amendment applies to EVERY MAN and WOMAN. ALL mankind(men) are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. AMONG them are, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…
  
  we either follow it or we don’t.
  it either applies to everyone or it doesn’t.
  
  no one deserves being searched without a warrant describing the places to be searched and the items and\or persons to be seized. we have an unalienable right to privacy.
  
  A bear makes a home in a hole in the ground, you don’t have a right to invade their privacy…
  you CAN invade it, but you will suffer the consequences.
  this principle applies to all living things that choose to seclude themselves. do not invade privacy, do not steal from, do not physically harm, etc.. what would you like done to you? it’s really that simple people… i don’t understand how it isn’t?
  
  you like people to force their way into your house and look around for stuff with no legal reason?
  you like people to force money from you using extortion?
  you like people to force money from you at all? in any way? no matter how “well meaning” those people believe they are?
  you like people forcing you to not eat, drink or smoke certain things?
  
  you like people forcing you to protect yourself from yourself?
  
  are you a slave or do you own yourself? owning yourself = responsibility.
  
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caleejr
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:45pm
If God gave the rights, and the amendment PROTECTS those rights – how is it the gov’t can take them away when they were charged with PROTECTING them?

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- justangry
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:51pm
  A good question for all the candidates and congressmen who support the Patriot Act and NDAA.
  
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- Smokey_Bojangles
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 1:15pm
  Funny you mention that Just Angry.I am Sure 98% of the folks that post here (Except Kool Aide Trolls) agree that Obama will trample the Constitution and has tried to do so…BUT…The Patriot Act,NDAA,Drug Testing,Slavery For the unemployed have all been REPUBLICAN ideas. Republicans set up the Police state in the name of “Law and Order” and”The War On Drugs” and the “War On Terror” the hand that power to people like Obama.What is it Pogo said?”"We have met the enemy… and he is us”
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 2:00pm
  It’s not if they’re God given rights they are God given rights,but you’re forgetting a key component,our Marxist POS president is an atheist and he believes himself to be superior to the constitution,he’ll simply hand down edicts to his serfs ie forcing the Catholic church to pay for contraceptives,ignoring orders from a federal judge and on and on.The government isn’t charged with protecting our rights,the constitution protects the people from a tyrannical government,at least that’s how it’s supposed to work.
  
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TSUNAMI-22
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:42pm
“Should Using a Fake Name Mean Forfeiture of Fourth Amendment Rights?”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why should it. The president has at least three aliases so far…..not to mention the 80+ social security numbers.

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- SoupSandwich
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:45pm
  Exactly.
  
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HotFixIt
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:41pm
Only if you are an American Citizen… leave him alone if he is here illegally… he gets to use any name or SS number he wants to obtain services and products. That is just the way it is. Crazy isn’t it!

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- Mikev5
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:54pm
  It’s sad but true if white you get tossed in the slammer for anything but any other color and you get a get out of jail free card a free lunch and a wallet full of food stamps a no doc home loan oh I forgot the free medical care don’t want to leave that out.
  
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Itsjusttim
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:40pm
Does it matter what we think really? Besides if people use a Nom De plume on the internet, then they can trample all over them.

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- Itsjusttim
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:44pm
  Not that it matters to me because there isn’t one thing I say on the internet that I don’t say in real life which is probably why I don’t have many friends, but when ya have the Lord that’s all that matters.
  
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- Itsjusttim
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:46pm
  Say, somehow I think Hollywood saw this coming, and that’s why it must be that over the last ten years actors have suddenly started using their real names.
  
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DrFrost
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:38pm
Government looks for any excuse to trample our rights. The constitution does not put any prerequisites on the fourth amendment. But we’ve let them get away with this sort of thing for years so they continue to take our freedoms.

Example: Where does it say that we’re not protected against unreasonable search and seizure when we’re returning from a foreign country? But the border agents have been copying hard drives and smart phones with no warrant for years.

You have to hate freedom to want big government.

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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:55pm
  Far lefties have to have something to fight and concur…it’s in their nature…once they become part of the machine they start slapping their heads and go DOH!
  
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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:56pm
  “conquer”
  
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I.Gaspar
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:35pm
oh boy….every day it gets worse and worse

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SamIamTwo
Posted on February 15, 2012 at 12:33pm
If the law is vague for retail purchases then no they did not forfeit their 4th amendment rights. I agree.

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