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Shock Vid: Mother Wants the Right to Euthanize ‘Severely Disabled’ Children — And ’90%’ of Dr. Phil’s Audience Agrees

Apr. 17, 2012 6:45pm Liz Klimas

Canadian Mother Wants to Euthanize Severely Disabled Adult Children

Janet and Jeffery Corriveau suffer from a rare genetic condition that has their mother wanting to euthanize them.

Would you euthanize your disabled children, especially your adult children? One Canadian woman is fighting to do just that.

Dr. Phil recently featured Annette Corriveau, on his show. She is the mother of Janet and Jeffery, two severely disabled adults who she says if they had the ability to chose for themselves, they would “opt for suicide.” Since they can’t communicate though, she wants the right to end their lives herself.

Janet, 43, and Jeffery, 42, started off as healthy, seemingly normal children, but Corriveau told Canada’s Global News in an interview last month, they became particularly unruly and hard to control at age 5 and 6. From there, their condition began to deteriorate, losing speech and motor skills. Eventually, a hospital found Corriveau and her husband both carried a recessive gene for a trait that would not allow their children to process sugars. The results of this genetic illness – Sanfilippo syndrome — can include severe mental retardation, blindness, nerve damage to the point of being wheelchair bound, seizures and early death. The symptoms of the disease begin from age 2 to 8 and conditions worsen from there.

Canadian Mother Wants to Euthanize Severely Disabled Adult Children

According to Global News, both Janet and Jeffery have feeding tubes, and Corriveau believes they cannot see as they don’t respond to stimulus. Both have been in an institution since before the age of 10. Global News has more from Corriveau on her children’s condition and why she believes they would want to die rather than continue suffering:

“They wouldn’t like to live like this,” she says. “My children were full of life. When they were young, before this disease took hold…I just don’t believe that they would want to stay alive the way they are.”

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Annette says no one can understand unless they watch — as she did- as her children slowly succumbed to this rare genetic disorder.

“The saying, ‘walk in another man’s moccasins’? Don’t judge. Unless you’ve been there, don’t judge,” she says. “This is no life. For anyone.”

During her appearance with Dr. Phil, the doctor polled the audience to see whether they agree with her right to euthanize the children or not. Dr. Phil estimates the audience is 90 percent for mercy killing of those in conditions such as Janet and Jeffery:

During the show, Dr. Phil clarifies that Corriveau is asking for a more “humane” way to let her children die versus taking away away their feeding tubes and letting them starve. He asks Corriveau, “If you were going to do it, do you now wish you had done it 25 years ago?” Corriveau responds she would have wanted to do it when Jeffery first received his feeding tube 17 years ago. Janet went on a feeding tube five years ago. Corriveau explains:

“After 25 years of watching them just exist, it’s time that somebody did something,” she continues. “I didn’t want to be the one to do it, but I’m here,” she adds.

Watch Global Mail’s more than 15 minute interview with Corriveau here. The interview also includes Robert Latimer, a father who killed his disabled daughter Tracy via carbon monoxide poisoning in 1993.

Alex Schadenberg, executive director and international chair for the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, finds this feature by Global Mail “dangerously one-sided”. He writes it is a “serious attempt by the Canadian media to re-write the history of the Latimer case and to justify euthanasia for children with disabilities. In his post, Schadenberg shares the thoughts of Steve Passmore, a man with cerebral palsy who opposes euthanasia. Passmore said:

“Many people in society view people with disabilities as having lives that can be euthanized, like a kept pet, because of pain and suffering, that he lives with everyday.”

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“this story clearly shows the prejudice that people with disabilities experience in society and the threat that euthanasia and assisted suicide place on the lives of people with disabilities.”

Schadenberg states that of course cases such as these cannot be taken lightly, but if parents are allowed the right to kill disabled children, it opens the door for a “a whole new debate which would focus on who lives and who dies.”

The Blaze has covered a number of articles over the past two years on this subject, from the British who said it would be “loving” for a mother to smother a disabled child (and advocates aborting disabled children, too), to the bioethicicsts who suggest killing someone with no autonomy left isn’t morally wrong.

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Gypsy123
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:09pm
Better Idea Euthanize the parents

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crichton
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:07pm
Tough decision to make – I’d hate to be in her shoes. Better her than the government making that decision though.

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700P
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:05pm
A chinese parable went like this (loosely paraphrased) “A man’s father was too old to work, so sadly he decided to take him to the wilderness to die of starvation. As he could not carry his father he told his son that he would help him do this. Once they arrived far from their village they left his father on the ground to die and said his goodbyes. As they were leaving his son said ‘Thank You for bringing me here today because now I know where to take you someday’ so the man returned and they they picked up his father and took him back to the village.” I agree, if she is so intent on euthanizing her children, she should set the example herself and I’m also wondering what type of OTC meds she was possibly giving them as young children that she isn’t mentioning.

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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:59pm
  Too insinuate she did something to her children to make them this way is really pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself. Now be a good boy and slap yourself and say Bad, bad, bad.
  
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WeekendAtBernankes
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:04pm
Of course Dr. Ph and audience support it. They’re liberals, and the liberals have determined that “post-birth abortion” is ethical. Remember?

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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:00pm
  Sorry Dr. Phil is not a Liberal. He is from Texas and he has guns. He flies his own planes, he scuba dives. Show me a Liberal that does all that?
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:03pm
  One other thing. If you watched the video. Dr. Phil said he would make that decision for himself, but he could not make that in this case. He specific said to the mother, she does not know what they are feeling, hearing etc. Does not sound like agreement to me.
  
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John 3:16
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:02pm
Where is the servant’s attitude, especially her own children. They must be selfish athiets, they are in serious need of some compassion and GOD,who provides compassion.

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Sleeve
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:00pm
This is proof there is no GOD!

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- jdickiso
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 12:34am
  Good for you…you’ve nailed it…why would a loving God allow us to suffer? If there was a God, he would obviously make every decision for us, take away our free will (I mean he would know better right?), guard us from all things bad and hurtful, make us never work and just get everything for free, do everything for us because he would know the best way for us to do it and never let any of us learn any valuable lessons that would lead to personal character growth. I’m sure your wise and do all of those things for your children. And I bet your children are turning out fantastic right? Great and productive members of society! Lol….I love the lessons sarcasm teaches…
  
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Old_Warrior
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:00pm
90% of the audience agrees, eh? That means 10% of the audience is actually sane. As for those who think this ‘mother’ is right, you can talk about all the costs you want. You can claim this, or measure that. When you have children and you want those children dead, no matter what the reason, the only one who needs to die are the ones who want to do the killing. Get the killers off this planet. Seeing Dr. Phil’s ratings fall 90% because those idiots need to get off our planet and make room for those who don’t want some type of genocide on the disabled, would be a nice way to end his career.

Oh, as for the mom? Cripple her. Let he wallow in a wheelchair, then lets see how long she’ll beg for her life when the guy comes with the death shot in the veins. She deserves it. And, she’s no mother, not in my eyes.

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izukiddin
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:56pm
What do you expect from an Oprah Winfrey hand puppet.

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BrianSTC
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:55pm
Either his audience is either stack with liberals (more indoctrination) or the audience are useless sheep. However, if western civilization has fallen this far, it is over for us. A society that kills it’s own is doomed to fall apart. How can a mother be so confused as to think that killing her children is the way to go?

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ChildofJesus
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:55pm
You think those people wanted to be like this? Ofc not! I didn’t ask for AS and I still wish I didn’t have it but you learn to live with it and I think it was to teach others a lesson. That’s no excuse to murder folks who are made in Gods likeness.

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bankerpapaw
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:54pm
That will be the end result of Obamacare. They don’t provide anything to society and they cost too
much money. Obamacare = Death Panels.

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blaaaaackwoman
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:43pm
Who’s gonna pay for the institutionalization of these types? I sure don’t want my tax dollars going for this ********. It will cost millions per person over a lifetime. No one can afford this type of care. Churches, not government, should start paying to care for these people since churches don’t pay tax.

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- BrianSTC
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:01pm
  @blaaaaackwoman So are you willing to have the government KILL EVERYONE living off the government?? They just might have to nuke Detroit then….because three-quarters of them are on welfare. Let’s not forget the 45 million people on food stamps….they are supported by the government. Off with THEIR heads!
  
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- jdickiso
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 12:37am
  Thanks Ms. Karl Marx….did you two meet in college? Oh no wait, he would have suggested you be killed because of your skin color…I’m glad you side with Karl on this one….Irony Anyone?
  
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Marsh626
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:38pm
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. Yeah, I know the Nazis executed severely handicapped people and people don’t want to be Nazis. But honestly, what’s the point of keeping alive the severely handicapped? I’m not really talking about the physically happicapped, but mostly the mentally handicapped.

I think killing someone just because they can’t walk or hear for example is too cruel since those people can think and have emotions just like anyone else. But what about the people who are totally gone mentally? The ones who can’t feel emotion or understand the world around them at all? Why keep them alive other than just to feel good about youself?

I don’t think you people realize just how much effort it takes to take care of the severely handicapped. I have a neighbor with a severely handicapped child and I’m blown away by 3 things:

1) How badly it’s ruined the family. You can tell they’re emotionally miserable due to having to deal with a family member being severely handicapped.

2) The insane amount of work it takes to take care of that one handicapped child. Their whole family revolves around taking care of that kid (who’s a complete vegetable mentally and physically). They simply can’t do anything like a normal family.

3) The insane costs of care. Both from the government and from the family.

Why ruin their lives because of a birth defect or freak accident? Let them move on by making that horrible decision for themselves as a family.

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- BrianSTC
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:09pm
  @Marsh626 Reading your last sentence….well that is the point. This isn’t about ending the “suffering” of the children. That is just the “sales pitch.” What it is really about is ending the suffering of the mother! It’s too hard to care for these kids so let’s kill them instead! It’s the same old story with you people. “I don’t want to have the hardship of taking care of disabled kids”. SO I WANT THE RIGHT TO KILL THEM! “I don’t want the hardship of taking care of my elderly parents.” SO I WANT THE RIGHT TO KILL THEM! “Having a baby at this point in my life will be to hard.” SO I WANT THE RIGHT TO KILL THEM! Notice a pattern here?
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:07pm
  So what if it was your parent in this state. How would you feel then Brian? How long would you allow a parent to live in a vegetative state with feeding tubes? I am sure this is agonizing for this mother. One must also remember in our Christians lives, God also gave us the ability to have compassion. This is where it seems you are lacking.
  
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- BrianSTC
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 10:28pm
  @COFemale Please don’t BS me with your fake Christian talk! YOU ARE NO CHRISTIAN. Only God decides when OUR time is done. If you were even REMOTELY Christian you would understand this. Compassion? You think killing your parents is compassionate? The devil is your father and you do your father’s bidding…And, if I am called upon to take care of my parents in their old age, then I will lovely do that as long as God chooses to bless me with that task.
  
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Doctor Nordo
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:36pm
Uh, considering Dr. Phil’s typical viewer is anybody really surprised by this?

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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:10pm
  Hmm. Conservative, Christian and I watch Dr. Phil. What are you trying to insinuate Doctor Nordo?
  
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- Doctor Nordo
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 11:32am
  I said typical viewer. Not ALL viewers.
  
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usmc1063
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:35pm
I’m a firm believer in the old saying what goes around comes around. In other words you shall reap what you sew. These mindless heartless people will find no compassion for them when it is their time to suffer.

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JL320
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:35pm
Once your body becomes dependent on machines to live, and you lose all ability to function in any responsive way, then I think the caretaker should have the right to either keep you on machines or end your misery in a peaceful way. I wouldn’t want to be kept alive by tubes and machines for 20 years, and I couldn’t watch someone I loved be in that situation. It seems cruel to me. After so many months if someone isn’t showing progress than end the suffering, is my opinion.

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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:16pm
  I agree. It makes you wonder where some peoples compassion is. They hear the word euthanasia and freak.
  
  I had to euthanize my dog because I did not want him to suffer through stomach cancer and all the crap that comes with it. He was already 11 years old/ 77 dog years. If we can compassionately allow our animals not to suffer via euthanize, why would a human be different? Can you honestly say, you’d would rather have your parents live out their life on a machine and feeding tubes or would you have compassion to allow them to die with dignity.
  
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SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:34pm
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005200

“The term “euthanasia” (literally, “good death”) usually refers to the inducement of a painless death for a chronically or terminally ill individual who would otherwise suffer. In the Nazi context, however, “euthanasia” represented a euphemistic term for a clandestine murder program which targeted for systematic killing mentally and physically disabled patients living in institutional settings in Germany and German-annexed territories.

The so-called “Euthanasia” program was National Socialist Germany’s first program of mass murder, predating the genocide of European Jewry, which we call the Holocaust, by approximately two years. The effort represented one of many radical eugenic measures which aimed to restore the racial “integrity” of the German nation. It endeavored to eliminate what eugenicists and their supporters considered “life unworthy of life”: those individuals who–they believed–because of severe psychiatric, neurological, or physical disabilities represented at once a genetic and a financial burden upon German society and the state….”

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Onowicit
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:33pm
Get on the train, get on the train
Utopia awaits, down the way
Where men are handsome, and women the same
Children are healthy and no one complains
Get on the train, get on the train

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- dontbotherme
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 11:24pm
  ONOWICIT: Your post, knowing history, took my breath away. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
  
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GoodStuff
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:30pm
Maybe they do want to be killed, maybe not, we don’t know, and neither does the mom. She’s just guessing that they would opt for suicide. Who is the mom to read their minds?

That being said, I’m more receptive to euthanasia than abortion. A baby has no say in the matter of abortion. But, an 80 year old who has been ravaged by cancer for years and can’t take it anymore, should have the right to suicide I believe. But, the decision should be up to the person who’s gonna die, not up to anyone else, including moms.

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- COFemale
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:19pm
  Who speaks for you when you can’t? If you are married, it would be your wife. It you aren’t married, it is your guardian or parent.
  
  There will come a time you may just need one of these to be compassionate enough to allow you to die with dignity.
  
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minorityconservative2
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:28pm
Shows you the quality of Dr. Phil’s audience. He seemed to say hey look we don’t know what they think, feel or experience but let’s kill them anyway. What kind of person says that? Oh yeah the pro-abortion crowd. No I don’t know when the embryo/fetus gets a soul but let’s kill it any way. No erring on the side of caution like intelligent and normal people.

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canadianproud
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:24pm
I lost my daughter a few months ago to Lupus.This so called Mother, should get rid of herself.

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AJAYW
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:21pm
euthanize her

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- JL320
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:46pm
  Yeah I think most on here are to quick to post because Beck says it’s shocking, so they already have it in their minds it’s wrong. The truth is both of them would have been dead a long time ago without machines keeping them alive. The mom has kept them alive for over 17 years. They can not respond in any way, and show no signs of progress, they are only getting worse. People need to be honest and ask themselves how grateful they would be to have someone keep tubes shoved down their throats and machines keeping their misery alive, instead of letting a natural death happen.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:48pm
  http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005200
  
  It’s not shocking seriously… It’s been done already… Seeing as it was a program under the Nazis…
  
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- HorseCrazy
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:50pm
  the mother…yes she is sick in the head. who is she to say they do not understand what is going on? she says they haven’t been able to communicate in years but how really is she to know if they do not enjoy the sensation of wind on their skin on a fall day with the smell of burning leaves, the feeling of sun on their face in the summer. she is sick I think Dr Phil has met his end on daytime tv. I actually had no idea that giant clown was still on the air.
  
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- JL320
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:06pm
  @SACREDHONOR1776 The difference is these 2 aren’t allowed to die a natural death. They are being forced into their misery by machines. The mom has spent 17 years trying to keep them alive. How does that relate to nazis killing people for having a disability?
  
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- BreeZee
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:08pm
  Ok, so something was “wrong”with most her kids so she must have a bad gene that she is passing on to her kids, So if your going to Euthanize the kids for their condition shouldn’t we Euthanize the cause also? her?
  
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- lukerw
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:11pm
  The OWN Network… Oprah… and Dr Phil… gather Liberals (mostly Women)… and most ot them agreed, with positive emotion (agressive spirit), that disabled children should be Euthanized… as I watched in HORROR and wanted to Puke. What the HELL is Wrong with these people? Are they like Dogs… with no sense of Responsibility?
  
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- survivorseed
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 8:28pm
  She could just wheel them to an OWS rally and then the exact same Blazers who defend their right to live would be calling for them to be smashed in the face with the **** of a machine gun. Fun times we live in.
  
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- jdickiso
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 9:42pm
  @jl320. Right, Right….I see your point. Man I hate those people we keep alive with pace makers or those horrible people with limbs that get “machine” prosthetics. We just let them live or die as nature intended right? Or what about those selfish people who use “machines” to help them cure cancer. Let’s get rid of those to right? I mean, hasn’t anybody thought maybe nature or God wanted them to die? Man…this is an issue of fairness, fairness to let nature take it’s course right? BTW, do you live in a climate that gets extremely hot or cold? Maybe you should get rid of your heater and air conditioner…I mean…those machines keep you alive through rough weather right? Food for thought moron….man people are so narrow minded and disgusting. Let’s kill things we don’t like…but spend thousands to save a bush….irony? Moron…..
  
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- JL320
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 10:30pm
  @jdickaso I hope you can see the difference between the guy who has a pace maker and these people who are complete vegetables, mentally and physically. They are completely dead already, why do want so bad to make them suffer for 20 more years?
  
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- Marci
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 10:50pm
  JL apparently you didn’t read—she wants the right to do something OTHER than take their feeding tubes away. If you just take the feeding tube away, you have Terry Shiavo all over again, but she doesn’t feel that is humane, so she wants to be able to cause the death. I understand not wanting them to suffer but who is she to decide what is suffering and what isn’t?
  
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- toto
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 11:13pm
  It is so easy for those that don’t have to watch the pain and agony without remedy or hope, to pass judgement. I have no answers, but this woman’s life is a living hell watching her children suffer. She needs prayers, not condemnation.
  
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- Matrix22
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 11:22pm
  JL – Although I appreciate your argument, the fact remains that this will quickly become a slippery-slope. What if my kid is born with severe Down Syndrome? Knowing that they will not have a productive life and will require constant care, does that allow me to euthanize them? My son has autism (thankfully very mild), but we’ve met plenty of kids that couldn’t survive a few days without constant attention. Who get’s to be the judge of when someone is far gone enough to qualify? You? Me? A court? Politicians? I truly sympathize with her plight, but I see this as a very dangerous road we’d be leading down.
  
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- jdickiso
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 11:43pm
  @JL320 Oh right, right…sorry we’re talking about remedying suffering is that right? I guess we’ve forgotten the most important question in this debate then. What was God thinking when he created these kids? I mean he knew they would get this disease and just constantly suffer day in and day out. If he has the power to give life and take it away you’d think he’d get involved. Maybe God is just a sadist. He’s obviously not merciful or he would have just done it himself, or maybe he just forgot about these two kids…So the obvious conclusion in an enlightened and civil society is that we should take it upon ourselves to end the suffering of others because God either isn’t merciful or just dropped the ball right? I mean if God is so smart why is he allowing this? There is obviously no purpose so let’s take matters into our own hands. While we’re at it… about 3 billion people around the world live in extreme poverty…they are obviously suffering compared to us. So, obvious conclusion, since we can’t understand their weird language and don’t know if they want to live or die we should NUKE them all. I mean, they just don’t comprehend the extreme, daily suffering they have to deal with because of poverty. Being enlightened and civil in the West, we should take it upon ourselves to make these tough choices for them and kill them all too….compared to what we live, they are suffering. Thanks for opening up my eyes…you’ve really nailed this one….lol..
  
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- junior1971
  Posted on April 17, 2012 at 11:45pm
  Who is to determine the outcome for me? Am I to be put down like a dog? This is absolute reflection of a society that has fallen into degradation and immorality. These people see this womans children as impaired. I suggest that these people are impaired. Certainly, I cannot justify such desire as to euthanize them for their blatant lack of decency? Can I?
  
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- piiguissa
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 12:48am
  I do not want to be kept alive by machines and it’s on my will and I also made copies of it and gave it to 2 people to make sure there would be no doubt that if i couldn’t live on my own just let me go, i don’t want to be kept alive by machines. It’s a very sad story with no happy ending, I really feel for the mother having to live with that situation everyday, must be depressing to see your kids suffer that way. Simply sad!
  
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- piiguissa
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 1:05am
  I could not do what she wants to do, but i really feel for the kids and also the mother. Very sad situation. Cruel disease.
  
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- kindsoul
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 8:10am
  Anyone who disagrees with some type of euthanasia have never watched someone die a long, slow, painful, agonizing torture of a death. Nazis built highways, should we be appalled at highways because nazis tried them. Bunch of no brain having religeous types make me sick.
  
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- Thomas
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 8:34am
  To those who say that they are being kept alive because of machines but all those machines do is all them to get what the body needs to survive. If you believe that is inhumane then wouldn’t be giving a baby food or water be keeping something alive that cannot give it to them self? Are you saying because a human is not able to take care of them self that it is inhumane to give them what they need to survive? Maybe its time to get rid of the emotional cripples like you?
  
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- goldmind
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 9:08am
  A brave mother, and a wise one as well. It is time for US to step up, and put the old, frail and sickly to sleep–instead of artificially keeping them alive and taxing health care while feeding the coffers of the American Drug Cartels and their doctor pimps. For my part, I am sixty three and an avid smoker and weekend drinker. I know my health will be an issue sooner than later, and I have my own contingency plan. I don’t do doctors and hospitals. When it becomes obvious the Reaper is moving in, why sustain life? And for that matter, what is so egregious about death? it’s the fear of the unknown, and what makes me chuckle is most who face this final curtain profess to believe in a higher entity…yet they struggle with accepting the inevitable. Get over it! Death is life’s primary partner, and the planet needs some space.
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 9:10am
  That’s what seperates humans from animals the ability to show compassion and to care for our most vunerable. This woman isn’t human she not better than the bear that kill her sick cub.
  
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- Ruler4You
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 12:59pm
  YIKES!
  
  IMHBLO, this woman never learned the value of life, but had no interest in that when she “had to have sex” from the looks of it.
  
  Life “IS” about love and compassion. Not just about your own pleasures. There “IS” a life lesson here to be learned. And one that can be taught, as well. Get “lemons” instead of a golden goose did you?
  
  Well, it sure sounds like YOU are the one that wants relief to me. You are the one looking for support and compassion to assuage your guilt. I’m sorry for you. May God find a way to enter your life and penetrate that hard heart.
  
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- judeslice
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 1:40pm
  Sacredhonor1776@ The Nazis did start a T4 program(and the states through aborting are still carrying it out). This is where they learned to efficiently kill human beings. But the truth is that this practice was put into place before Nazis Germany came to power. And in the states through a court case called Buck vs. Bell that went to the Supreme Court. The court made a decision that allowed the state of Virginia to start euthanizing its handicapped children (because of money). 35 states adopted this action before Hitler gained power. It is basically the eugenics movement that really started the ball rolling on devaluing life and killing those who are not normal. This is important to understand, because if the healthcare bill stands, we will once again be killing those who do not have value, because of money.
  • JL320@ a baby cannot feed itself so it will die if an outside source does not feed it. What are we to do let it starve to death because it will not survive without help from an outside source? What carp? You see to me feeding the baby is the compassionate thing to do, to you killing the baby because it cannot feed itself is the compassionate thing to do. You are comparing apples and oranges one might say. Not really, you see I have 18 brothers and sisters many are handicapped and really need taken care of. One of my brothers, Nathan, is servilely handicapped. He cannot feed himself. So what is my mother to do? According to you let him die. Why because he needs outs
  
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- judeslice
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 2:02pm
  • JL320@ a baby cannot feed itself so it will die if an outside source does not feed it. What are we to do let it starve to death because it will not survive without help from an outside source? What carp? You see to me feeding the baby is the compassionate thing to do, to you killing the baby because it cannot feed itself is the compassionate thing to do. You are comparing apples and oranges one might say. Not really, you see I have 18 brothers and sisters many are handicapped and really need taken care of. One of my brothers, Nathan, is servilely handicapped. He cannot feed himself. So what is my mother to do? According to you let him die. Why because he needs outside help, because he cannot feed himself. What compassion. If this mom does not want to take care of her children, or she is unable to do so, then there are places like where I live, that will. The place’s name in Ohio is Hattie Larlham Foundation, where my brother Nathan is living as we speak. This place is a wonderful place filled with compassionate people, who love and respect life, just not their own lives, but others. Sacredheart1776 is right this is really no different, and will lead to people killing people because they have no value. How do I know; because we already have done it and we are doing it right now.
  http://christophers17blog.blogspot.com/2010/07/for-sake-of-love.html
  
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- Prosoldier
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 2:48pm
  @ JL320
  
  First of all, who are we or anyone else to judge how miserable these two or any other “disabled” people are? If they can’t speak and don’t respond in the normal manner, how can you know that they’d rather be dead? Just because one says, “Oh if I couldn’t function normally or I lost my limbs or whatever, I would rather die,” doesn’t mean when it actually happens they necessarily still feel that way. Kind of like people who contemplate suicide whether its because of a health issue or because they think life’s too hard or too unfair, they might say it beforehand, but it’s a very small percentage that actually do it. As Dr. Phil said, we don’t know if they might enjoy things like feeling the sun coming through a window or hearing people talk. Maybe they’re thinking, “hey, this ailment kinda sucks, but at least I’m still alive.
  
  Let them die a natural death? Does that mean if someone gets shot, or is in an accident of some kind or whatever we should just let them lie there and bleed with the assumption that if they’re meant to live they’ll live and if not, well then they’ll be culled from the herd so as to make more room for the healthy? Hell, get rid of medical care altogether while we’re at it. Obamacare and high insurance premiums would be moot. What about old people? Should we kill them too once they get to where they can’t take care of themselves? After all, who wouldn’t rather be dead than in a wheelchair or on a machine, right?
  
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- Constantine Ivanov
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 3:12pm
  @JL320:
  “People need to be honest….” you said. Hmmm…
  Don’t you think it’s the most difficult thing today in our society (the screwed society, I mean)?
  
  My world is the world of realities, not that of fantasies and theories.
  Let’s take a look at the situation from my world:
  
  We have two beings who exist artificially (they can’t exist autonomously, without feeding tubes); who don’t react on external stimuli and irritants; whose sensations can’t be validated by scientific methods and are being asserted only theoretically by some “compassionate” individuals; who don’t show any distinguishable signs of an ability to enjoy their life.
  
  We also have a mother who is constantly and permanently suffering a tragedy of having her children converted from their sweat toddler age, when they were giving their mother so much joy, into senseless plant-like beings; who is constantly and permanently suffering a huge psychological stress caused by witnessing her offsprings’ senseless moves and helplessness; who has spent her almost entire female life actually as a servant, without any normal everyday down-to-earth joy of life.
  
  And we have a flock of theorists and overly-emotional (aka not very rational) individuals, who would die fighting for human rights of plants….and of fishes and insects, for this matter. Like PETA.
  
  This is how I see the situation. And 90% of Dr. Phil’s audience.
  But as always, the most noisy and the most aggressive are 10%. 10% destroyed R
  
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- scarebear83
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 5:00pm
  When you take God out of the equation morals then become subjective. So technically they’re doing what they (man) thinks is right and do not base their decisions on anything but what *they* think or feel is right. This is what we get when society takes God out of the picture or replaces Him with their own vision of what a god should be. Subjective morals and we’re hateful or uncaring if we think otherwise.
  
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- The Gooch
  Posted on April 19, 2012 at 11:12am
  Brilliant. Instead of rational discussion, let’s all pick up big sticks and stones and bludgeon anyone who dares not think or speak to our satisfaction. I hear there’s a rather popular religion that welcomes folks with this mindset. Oh, and lots of leftists and nihilists like this line of reasoning.
  So your response to what you perceive as a monstrous consideration is to become the same breed of monster? Go figure.
  
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- Constantine Ivanov
  Posted on April 20, 2012 at 3:39pm
  @SACREDHONOR1776:
  “Seeing as it was a program under the Nazis…” you said.
  To me, it sounds cheap and pathetic (particularly because of using comparison with Nazis all over again and again, as if Soviet, Chinese, and other Commies committed less crimes against humanity.)
  The Euthanasia issue discussion has pretty long history in the USA, at least since 1906, when neither Commies nor Nazis were at power.
  With your emotional exclamations you don’t add any worthy arguments to the discussion. It’s a typical Libs approach.
  
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- HannibalTLC
  Posted on April 28, 2012 at 9:11am
  Who is qualified to decide which disabilities qualify for euthanasia (certain genetic syndromes may be but down syndrome isn’t?)? And, what governing body (more government intervention in our life is just at we need) is going to determine this power doesn’t get abused? When does it stop? At what juncture does it become a mandate that all “unproductive” members of society are euthanized? When does it cross the line to mandating genetic screening and sterilizing women who are known to have “bad gene.”. When do we start taking a woman’s child away if she has epilepsy, MS or diabetes and is not 100% healthy because we “fear” she is not capable(or sterilizing her…which is already done). You are a human being worthy of a life and respect and love regardless of your abilities and income earning potential.
  
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- ChevalierdeJohnstone
  Posted on May 2, 2012 at 11:43am
  Those of you making the slippery slope argument are wrong. That argument works with computers and things that act like computers, such as government regulations. But human beings can think and reason. There is no “slippery slope” when it comes to human reasoning. A human can decide to take one action in one case and another action in another case. If in this case we think that the mother would be wrong to put down her children, it does not follow that mercy killing is always bad in all cases. Maybe it is, but ethically you have to take each case on its own. Not doing so – applying a blanket rule – denies each person their individuality. If you don’t consider the merits of whether each patient, individually, would benefit from mercy killing, then you are just as bad as the eugenicists. Again – perhaps the outcome is the same and you decide in each case to keep the patient alive. But you cannot reference “slippery slope” and apply a blanket rule, because that is denying each patient their individuality. You have to consider each one as an individual and decide whether or not to keep them alive, individually.
  
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djmaine
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:19pm
Socialized medicine. These people are costing the state a fortune. I am sure the administrators of the Canadian system would love to grant her the right to terminate the lives of these two non-contributing genetic mishaps. Why not just call it 5th decade abortion?

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- AJAYW
  Posted on April 18, 2012 at 8:40am
  @kindsoul
  You could have them euthanize you and you would not have to watch . You poor thing.
  
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- djmaine
  Posted on April 19, 2012 at 9:47pm
  I forgot. Some people don’t get sarcasm.
  
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rs9
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:19pm
“seizures and early death” wasn’t that early now was it? mommy could just starve them to deathTerri Schivo style, remember we were told then that starving was “euphoric”

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ShyLow
Posted on April 17, 2012 at 7:16pm
That’s a way to keep God on your side

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