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‘Why Did They Kill Him?’ Questions Linger After Mich. Police Shoot Homeless Man 46 Times

Aug. 19, 2012 4:30pm Becket Adams

Why Did They Kill Him? Questions Linger After Homeless Man Shot 46 Times by Police

A family photo and a prison photo of 49-year-old Milton Hall (courtesy The Daily Mail)

Milton Hall, a 49-year-old homeless man, on July 1 was shot 46 times for failing to comply with police instructions. Police say Hall was brandishing some sort of knife and, after a brief standoff in a parking lot in Saginaw, Mich., the six officers had no choice but to open fire.

Right before the shooting, police say Hall called 911 after he had a fight with a convenience store clerk.

“My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I’m pi**ed off,” you can hear Hall yell in a video obtained by CNN.

An officer tells him to put the knife down and Hall responds: “I ain’t putting sh*t down.”

Shortly after that, the six officers open fire.

Watch the CNN report [warning: graphic content]:

Saginaw police felt it was necessary to open fire “because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police,” says Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas.

And aside from perceiving an imminent threat, Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff claims Hall was “known to be an assaultive person” with “a long history” of run-ins with law enforcement, “not only with police from our department but with the county.”

But Hall’s relatives disagree with this.

“He was not violent,” said Hall’s cousin Mike Washington, adding that the worst he had been jailed for was vagrancy.

Meanwhile, Hall’s mother is furious with Saginaw authorities and just wants to know why her son who, she says, was “mentally ill” was killed.

“It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms,” Jewel Hall told CNN. “There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal.”

“Everybody knew him. The police knew him well,” she said. “So that’s another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?”

A memorial set up in honor of Hall

Another obvious question many people have is “Was it necessary to shoot him 46 times?”

“I’m stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots,” Jewel Hall said. “I just don’t understand that. It’s a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?”

Former Long Island police officer Lou Palumbo during an interview on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” said that the video is “a perceptive nightmare” because it might reflect a “lack of training” on the part of the officers.

“This wasn’t a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction,” he said.

However, he was careful to note that the internal investigation may very well prove that the reaction by the officers was justified.

“One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second,” he said. “The public doesn’t know this because they don’t do this for a living.”

Michigan state police issued the following statement after CNN aired the above video: “Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one.”

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Sirfoldallot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:25pm
Does a machine gun put out that many bullets, something is wrong here.

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- MeteoricLimbo
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:42pm
  Death by cop is one thing..this is not even in that league
  
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- supermansdad
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:13pm
  6 officers equals 7 rounds apiece. Add that any officer or citizen in an armed conflict should ALWAYS continue to shoot until the person threatening you stops being a threat, and you have a recipe for lots of holes.
  Similar case in NYC many years ago caused the NYPD to change their ammo choice from FMJ to hollow points. During the Amadou Diallo shooting, it was likely that the vast ammount of ammunition fired into him actually prevented him from falling. Right, wrong or indifferent, the officers believed an officer was just shot in front of them and they all emptied their weapons. Unbeknownst to them, the officer who fell as he was yelling GUN had actually slipped on ice and what the officer thought was a gun was actually his wallet.
  
  This man actually HAD a weapon forced officers to fire. I feel for his families loss but he should have dropped the damn knife!
  
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- lukerw
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:19pm
  THINK ABOUT IT: A Nut has a Big Knife and is Threatening… The police arrive, armed with Guns… Is a policeman going to Knife Fight a Nut?… NO, he is going to use his Gun to stop anyone from being harmed… 7 Police Officers have the same thought at the Same Time; They all shoot.
  
  Only One Bullet killed the Nut! Who cares how many were fired.
  
  EXCEPT the Nut was Black… and Ethnic Neighborhood is up in Arms: Bitching about Civil Rights!
  
  STOP going down the INSANE Path!
  
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- banjarmon
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:03pm
  Never draw you gun unless you mean to KILL. The FORT HOOD Terrorist should have been KILLED!
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:42pm
  Hey Saginaw doesn’t screw around this goes on every day migratory route from Detroit to Flint to Saginaw.
  
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- lukerw
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:47pm
  We pay the Police to stop the Bad Guys… so, we do not have to patrol and do it ourselves.
  
  GOOD JOB Saginaw Police!
  
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- midwesthippie
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:08pm
  …you so-called “righteous christians” should all be supporting the homeless man and his family who has lost a son, brother, etc…and lost him to out of control police action. 46 shots is an indefensibly disgusting way to treat a human being…you all are a bunch of fine christians with some serious issues if your heart does not feel pain for this man and his family…i for one am sick of all this police brutality…
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:30pm
  I didn’t see this guy charge directly at anyone with his knife raised, if he indeed had a knife,which MIGHT offer some justification for firing at him,but only to incapacitate him or to neutralize any possible threat.
  
  Another point that seems odd is that all of them had tasers, and they’re never reluctant to use them against people, so why wasn’t this done when it was apparent he was going to be unreasonable? A taser or two or three would have put him out of commission as effectively as a bullet……. at least for a while, long enough to get him cuffed.
  
  There’s something very wrong here.
  
  I truly believe there are a number of police who just wait for an excuse to shoot somebody.
  
  I know there are a great many of them who unnecessarily shoot and kill little pets just for barking at them……. when they arrive at a residence to respond to a call…… but are not a threat, and pepper spray or a taser would work on them too.
  
  The quality of too many of the police around the country is just way too low nowadays.
  
  If this society takes to the streets in large scale upheaval as a result of a deteriorating financial/sociatal breakdown, there’s going to be hell to pay for trigger happy police.
  
  They’ll be grossly outmanned and outgunned.
  
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- midwesthippie
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:32pm
  …a bunch of “righteous christians” that have no problem with police pumping 46 rounds into a human being…you people are sick…your hearts should be with this mans family. if a half dozen cops can’t figure out to just shoot him in the leg…it’s disgusting police brutality…firing squad indeed…
  
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- mecanic
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:10pm
  it was a damn firing squad.
  
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- LuvsYeshua
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:18pm
  Here’s how I’ve begun to approach these types of stories:
  • Is it Constitutional? It appears so. I see that these officers had probable cause to disarm this man.
  • Is it moral? This is a man crazy enough to brandish a knife in his hand while aggressively screaming at the police while they are drawn on him, so it appears so.
  • Is it reasonable? Definitely! Anyone (I don’t care who you are) would do exactly as these officers did.
  
  But all that aside, this is not at all unreasonable. I’m not sure what type of sidearm these officers were using, but a Glock 22 is pretty common, so let’s say it was. A Glock 22 is a .40 caliber and holds 15 rounds standard in each magazine (16 if there is one in the chamber). The article said there were 6 officers and they were all drawn on the man, as they should be. So in the split second it takes to determine that deadly force was necessary––and it completely was––each officer fired less than half of their magazine for about 2 seconds until the man fell. That is completely reasonable.
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:28pm
  @midwesthippie
  
  This Buddhist would have emptied his weapon on him exactly the same way if threatend by a lunatic with a knife.
  
  How, *exactly* is 1 round different from 100?
  
  Logic is your friend. Try it sometime…
  
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- THX-1138
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:31pm
  @LuvsYeshua
  
  *THANK* you!
  
  Logic, see guys, it can be done.
  
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- Amarath01
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:47pm
  well he was about what 15ft from the closet one walking away from them with a knife. If thats the criteria i hope never to drive down your street.. (i might end up dead via scoped rife for breaking and entering, and assault with my car [which happen to be driving down the road]).
  
  Come on some judgment please.
  
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- Servant Of YHVH
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:58pm
  ANYONE that has a weapon and threatens the police with it is giving them permission to blast away. I would say that this guy died from a disease called ultimate stupidity.
  
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- marine249
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 11:34pm
  here we go again. all the dips are coming
  out of the woodwork.
  none of you were there, so that tell[s me you
  don;t know what to hell your talking about.
  LUKERW has it right.
  SLICE_OF_LIFE May GOD go with you and your brothers and sisters.
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:16am
  What ever happened to Police Batons, Peper Spray and Tazers ?
  
  I remember the day if you pulled a Knife on a LEO, you would have got the crap beat out of you, and wished you were dead, but you would have made it to the jail.
  
  I thought the Tazer was the answer to all of Law Enforcement questions for use of deadly force in situations like this ????
  
  I guess that was a big waste of money………
  
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- VoteBushIn12
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:42am
  @MIDWESTHIPPIE
  Right on!
  
  The man didn’t need 46 bullets to die. Which means they were likely shooting a dead body which is literally disgraceful.
  
  I’m not arguing the police may have felt threatened if he charged at them or something. But 46 rounds is excessive. Once you’ve exterminated the threat you are supposed to treat the body with respect. It’s in the Rules of Engagement for war. Our soldiers treat enemy combatants at war time with more respect, we should be able to at least ask the same of our Police force when dealing with US citizens and civilians.
  
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- VoteBushIn12
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:43am
  @LUKERW
  
  Police are a socialist institution and should be disbanded! We need to Privatize the Police force. If you want Police Protection you should have to pay for it!
  
  … Isn’t that tight ya crazy Blaze-Bangers?
  
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- marine249
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:46am
  @ BRYANB
  After Rodnee King, who the hell wants to use a baton? I
  Never used a tasher. I understand the perk was 20 feet away
  don’t know if a tasher hit the mark or not. Pepper spary? Way
  out of range. When LEO beat the crap out of you, that was a
  diff. time and if you did that today,, time on the bricks.
  
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- marine249
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:00am
  @ VOTEBUSHIN12
  
  ==========================================================
  if you want police protection you should have to pay for it.
  ==========================================================
  
  Just who in the he!! do you think pays for it That dip b.o. in the wh.
  
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- Ditto Head
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:01am
  They only had 46 bullets between them? Tight budgets affecting everyone.
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:18am
  @marine249
  
  If you are or ever have been a Law Enforcement Officer you know that you are paid to risk your life for others. And you are not ever going to get paid enough. Why do that job if you are going to live in fear, of being physicaly hurt or even sued ?
  As long as you risk your life for others and think of other people doing your job, and not yourself, you will never ever be in any trouble as a Law Enforcement Officer.
  
  It’s when you think of your own self interest, safety and comfort, that is when you fail as a Law Enforcement Officer………
  
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- Baron_Doom
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:24am
  @ VOTEBUSHIN12 ” If you want Police Protection you should have to pay for it!”
  
  Um, we do. It’s called taxes. Duh.
  
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- marine249
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:37am
  @ BRYANB
  ================================================
  If you are or ever have been a Law Enforcement Officer ——-================================================
  
  I can tell from your post you are not and have never been a Police
  Officer.
  I knew I was risking my life for others, but I never thought others
  were going to do my job for me.
  When it came time to think, who is going home tonight? Without
  a question it was going to be me.
  Your last line is pure B.S.
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:27am
  Only 46 times? They must have ran out of ammo or I’m sure they would have put 446 rounds in him. I mean shot once or twice just isn’t enough. Might as well go all out and empty your clip times 6 officers or thugs. Yeah these cops like to escalate a situation. I’m sure they could have used mace or a bean bag gun, but heck why do that when you can just unload your clip. And for those who say he had it coming. Just remember, you let this crap go unaccounted for and someday it could be you getting 46 rounds.
  
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- BryanB
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:41am
  @marine249
  
  You are not any good at this and you need to stop what you are doing, because it’s not right……..
  
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- Hzurdaddy
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:10am
  Well-said, SUPERMANS DAD! I had just done the math myself and was going to make a similar comment about 7-rounds. As for some of the other commenters: Decisions are always made in real time; while second-decisions are usually made much, much later. Second-guesses are, by definition, always After-the-Fact…
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:01am
  I can see how they could fire that many shots. Cops are monkey see-monkey do creatures. Only one of them has to start shooting and all of the others will start shooting even if the others do not perceive the threat. It’s like, “Oh, Joe is shooting the guy so I guess I should be shooting him too”. Bottom line is cops are goons and this guy was a creep. So, F all of them. Don’t cause trouble and you won’t get machine-gunned. The old gal was right. It was a firing squad. And, they probably high-fived each other, back-slapped and joked about it back at the station when they were getting their stories straight. “Man did you see his face when Mitch plugged him in the groin? That was awsome!”
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:19am
  I live in the area and the Saginaw police don’t screw around they had a situation and they took control of the situation and neutralized the threat in the most timely manner as possible. So they could answer the next 50 calls of equal criminality it is a everyday occurance in Saginaw there is not a day goes by they don’t have Gang violence, Crackheads, Armed robberies from the riff raff migrating from Flint and Detroit. Could say Criminality ends in Saginaw the last line of defense.
  
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- Bluefish49
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:00am
  Question from a reporter to Michigan State Police Captain: Sir, why was the man shot 46 times? Answer: Umm…that’s all the ammo the officer had…..next question please..
  
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- Polarized America
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:05am
  Seriously….46 shots by 6 officers = around 7 shots each !!!
  sounds like these cops needs some shooting practice
  
  this happened in my area a few years back, The guy had a knife and was near a Church door, with the Church full of people.. when the cops had no other choice they shot ONCE !! and it was over
  
  46 shots is a shooting frenzie …(* sp )
  
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- Griffin06
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:25am
  Amarath, multiple studies have shown that an assailant can close a gap of 21 feet to assault someone with a contact weapon, such as a knife, in less time than a trained police officer can draw and fire his weapon. 15 feet is well within lethal range for a knife. The cops were justified. I’m betting a tox report from the autopsy will show some type of drug, either meth, cocaine, or PCP, based on the guy’s behavior.
  
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- weisja4
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:50am
  I was thinking that it seemed like a lot of bullets as well, but with 6 officers firing, that is about 7-8 shots each. I haven’t seen the video or read a lot bout it, so offer no thoughts on if it was the right thing to do (shooting him, i mean). But7-8 shots each seems to be pretty in-line with other Police involved shootings (I’ll leave it to you to decide if that is a good thing or not).
  
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- KoolAidDrinker
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:04am
  Officer’s overheard questioning suspect:
  
  1st Officer: ‘Do you feel lucky?’
  2nd Officer: ‘Well, do ya?’
  3rd Officer: ‘Punk!’
  4th Officer: ‘Go ahead, make my day!’
  5th Officer: ‘Just shoot the sucka’
  6th Officer: ‘He’s still movin’!’
  
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- JRook
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:11am
  @Independent4233 Way, way to rational an argument for this group. If it took 6 police officers 46 bullets to get control of a homeless guy, who has nothing more than a knife, than perhaps we should start cutting police budgets before we go after teachers and more effective and efficient public servants. Perhaps a round in the leg first might have been reasonable given he had a knife, but 6 police opening fire is a firing squad.
  
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- scruffycat
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:46am
  I think its to send a message to blacks to not get uppity in their county. Can you blame them? If that thing was coming at me holding a knife and I had a gun, BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM, want some more? BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM
  
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- SREGN
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:14am
  If Obama had had a father he would have looked and acted just like……
  
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- ztkraptor
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 11:43am
  All of you morons supporting the police…
  honestly, are you that braindead?!?!
  They didn’t have to KILL HIM, are you saying hours at the range, they can’t shoot his leg? Injure him? Tase him? Mace him? Something? ALL OF THEM?!?! Had to open fire..
  Honestly, I’m so sick of the brainwashed morons on this site, so much for free thinking and having your own opinions.
  
  The cops are the problem anymore, they are power hungry egomaniacs…
  
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- VoteBushIn12
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:00pm
  @BARON_DOOM
  
  I think you misread my post. Please re-read and try again.
  
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- Griffin06
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:58pm
  Raptor, this isn’t “The Lone Ranger”, where the good guys can shoot the weapon out of the bad guy’s hand. This is real life. These guys had a split second to make a decision. Shoot him in the leg? Seriously? Police officers are trained to shoot center mass, where you have the most chance of hitting the subject, thereby reducing the chances of your round going somewhere other than your target. And you don’t use less than lethal weapons, like tasers or OC against a subject with a lethal weapon. This was a literal “life or death” situation. This wasn’t just a homeless guy. This was a subject with an assaultive history threatening people with a deadly weapon. He was given the chance to surrender and refused. If the guy was unarmed or had been calm, or even passively resisting, it would be different. But he wasn’t, was he?
  
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- Overseerwillie
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Why? Before he could slash some clerks face for no reason is why. and I commend the cops for a difficult job, They catch hell if they dont and if they do. Better to shoot first and get some crazed negroid bastard off the street than wait for him to harm some innocent woman or child, but of course the negroids of the coonmunity always see it their way, not the right way.
  
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- WATER-THE-TREE
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:29pm
  After the first few shots, STOP FIRING, Damn! But the man should know better, when the cops have their weapons on you, don’t even blink, they will turn you into swiss cheese.
  
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- WATER-THE-TREE
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:33pm
  BANJARMON
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:03pm
  Never draw you gun unless you mean to KILL. The FORT HOOD Terrorist should have been KILLED!……………… Can you believe that the MILITARY base was a GUN FREE ZONE?… A military base is the one place that should be armed, That Fort Hood guy should have been shot like the video shows.
  
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- DrKev
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:57pm
  sure seems strange
  
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- paprtowl
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:03pm
  mich police don’t have guts to stand up hand to hand . who had the tazer . go on home boys . hire some real law enforcement .
  
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- supermansdad
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:45pm
  @Independent4233
  
  A TASER is not used during a lethal force encounter, a knife presents lethal force. And what many of these idiots (such as MIL-DOT) that continually say the cops are only out to get them forget is that after they espouse their hatred many cities have dropped their Taser’s and other less-than lethal weapons.
  
  Look at these photos. this is why cops DON’T disarm people with a knife.
  
  http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2135550
  
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- holy ghostbuster
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:38pm
  @ Independent4233 – Why would the police use less than lethal force (taser) against lethal force (knife)? You know nothing about the real world in which the police have to deal with every day. Police are taught the 21 foot rule, which is that at 21 feet or less, a subject armed with a knife can close on and deliver deadly force, before the officer can even draw his or her weapon. Reaction is always slower than action. Anytime someone is wielding a knife and not responding to the commands of police to drop the weapon, they are justified in shooting the perp. Stop watching so much TV.
  
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- holy ghostbuster
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:44pm
  @ Bryanb – I challenge you to try to disarm a crazy brandishing a knife with pepper spray. You would be fillet like a fish.
  
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- Wolfgang the Gray
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:00pm
  I think the number of bullets is a bit excessive (but I was not there and don’t know the whole story), but the perpetrator cross the line when he refused to drop the knife when the police told him.
  
  As for the mother and family, it is rare to find a mother that says “Yep, my boy should have dropped the knife.” They always seem to say “My boy would never do that!” Well mother, if you knew your son was mentally ill, you should have been keeping better track of him and not letting him go out with knives.
  
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- JesterJay
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 3:06am
  when 6 officers are shooting all at once the round count adds up fast.
  
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- iamhungry
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:04am
  @THX-1138, you’re not a buddhist then. the first of the 5 precepts is ‘do not kill’. you will be stuck in samsara for a long time and not be lucky enough to be a human for many many life times.
  
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- iamhungry
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:07am
  @BARON_DOOM
  Um, we do. It’s called taxes. Duh.
  —-
  
  great. you support tax funded universal policeforce. whats the difference then to tax funded universal healthcare?
  
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- Wojciech W.
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:01am
  Cops are not MILITARY, they are taught to SHOOT TO DISABLE!!! Cops are no longer the ppl we employ to protect us. They act like they are better then you. They have rules for us and “Special” rules for their own. A jaded homeless black man get EXECUTED!!! And all you fake a$$ Christians(angry white guys) say this is good? FIRST THEY KILLED A HOMELESS MAN AND I DID NOTHING, THEN THEY KILLED MY NEIGHBOR AND I STILL DID NOTHING, they killed my child and I cried, but there was nobody to help me. Military we shoot center mass at 300m minimum. I can shoot your finger off at 12 feet. Your telling me these so called COPS couldn’t use a stun gun, bean bag shotgun? dog? NOPE just kill his retarded a$$ is the underline message. 46 times is 45 to many. at such a close distance they enjoyed it’ 46 times, 7 trigger pulls of joy. Communism is coming. Then yo a$$ is grass.
  
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- Sara123
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 12:20pm
  It was a firing squad like those you see in grainy films of Nazis or commie Black shirts. This is what happens when the US gov. declares war on terror and then names Americans as the terrorist enemy. We have a wannabe occupying military police mentality working here. See it in action. They committed treason. They belong in front of a firing squad.
  
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Walkabout
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:21pm
Arm the convenience store clerks. Make sure the clerks have non-grainy video with sound to back them up. There will be much fewer police shootings.

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cannon12pdr
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:19pm
A blind man here in town some years ago was shot in his own home by a cop because he was brandishing a pistol for his own defence. Young tuffs were coming by and pretending to be cops to rob him. The cop did not take the time to make sure that the old man understand HE WAS the police.

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- BryanB
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 1:38am
  @cannon12pdr
  
  Thats just a sad situation all around.
  
  The Officer doesn’t have time to pull out an eye chart. There is a difference from someone brandishing a firearm and a knife……….
  
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MDECKER
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:16pm
Where were these compassionate family members before this incident took place? My guess is that they had absolutely nothing to do with this man but are now seeing dollar signs.

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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:44pm
  What I was thinking-if he was so wonderfull and they loved him so much WHAT was he douing on the street and homeless? Or did his temper have something to do with hi situation? Or was it suicide by cop? Much more info is needed here.
  
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- Dorie
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:21pm
  When people are mentally ill sometimes they just can’t live with others!! Doesn’t mean his family didn’t love him and care about him.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:37pm
  Where is your family 24 hours a day? Are you in need of a constant baby sitter and think everyone else should be as well?
  
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- MrKnowItAll
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:51pm
  My Thoughts Exactly. His Poor Mom will now say he wanted to be Homeless. Instead of the Truth in No One, her being number one wanted this guy anywhere around them.
  
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www.TopTheNews.com
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:15pm
Is everyone following the Brandon Raub case, as well as this one? A Marine Veteran was arrested by FBI over Facebook posts and is being indefinitely detained…

Things are getting interesting here in the good ol’ USA. A lot of people are missing the stories that should be going viral…Mainly why I started a news agg on the side…

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- Sirfoldallot
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:19pm
  yup , it’s starting right before our eyes, & the kids r spilling there hate.
  
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- Locked
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:25pm
  You mean the one who said he was going to start a revolution, that the government was evil but “the cavalry is coming”?
  
  Yeah, we should definitely turn a blind eye to people with military training threatening to start revolutions within our country (rolls eyes). Granted, based on the news so far I don’t think he’s guilty any more than militia folks in the back woods who gather up guns, trashtalk the government and drink beer together on weekends. Considering the only side of the story out so far is his mother’s, I’ll be interested in seeing if there’s a lot more we haven’t heard about.
  
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- SteamedinMichigan
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:31pm
  Thanks for making us aware of it.
  
  I am saddened by his plight, but not surprised.
  
  And thanks for the tip about your news site. I’ll visit it now.
  
  Good job
  
  I hope the Blaze runs this story as well
  
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- yubba
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:36pm
  I posted it on the story about the little girl with the pics of her brother on a notebook, and dropped it on drudges news tips and here also, this should be a lead story. AS a former Marine myself you mess with one of us you mess with all of us, I took an oath to protect the consitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, not to protect this government or this administration. I would like to know what the Commandant of the Marine Corps has to say about this, since this Marine should be on reserve status after a year of being out if anything this young man should have been taken to the VA.
  
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- For my Liberty!
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Brandon is not the only one..there are at least TWO others that have been picked up and sent to be “evaluated” at a mental institution…then told that they cannot have guns. The common denominator is that they both posted on FB, and they both called in to conservative radio shows….both were not told why they were taken into custody…ONE was a vet also…but this is how they are going to take guns without force. Have you declared with a psychosis…
  
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- yubba
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:32pm
  So how far out of the ball park are these lefties, to call us right wing terrorist.????????????? I smell martial law coming. The government is coming unhindged.
  
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bdandsl
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:10pm
It’s all a part of obama’s America!

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woodcellar
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:08pm
When you read a story about someone defending themself like the lady in Alabama recently in the news, They usually only shot once. But you here about cops and over kill all the time. Zimmerman only shot once and theychared him with murder. Too many bullies get in to law inforcement, It a dangerous thing to give a moron any police power.

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- ColdDeadHands
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:28pm
  I’ve been in the Air Force and have been an armed guard at a nuclear facility. There are no shortage of zealots just waiting to unload on someone to prove something . As much as one woild like to think the good guys are on our side, sadly, that isn’t always the case.
  
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- supermansdad
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:38pm
  No, you shoot to stop the action, not to kill. If the action does not stop you keep shooting, keep giving commands to stop the action. This doesn’t go just for those “moron and bully” cops but for anyone.
  
  Thats 7 rounds per officer, go to the range and see how long it takes to shoot 7 rounds. A lot can happn in that time frame.
  
  You were not there, don’t pass judgment. Many officers and armed citizens have been killed by knife wielding people they had just shot.
  
  I pray that you never find yourself in a situation to use your weapon but please use common sense and realize that until the threat is no longer a threat, either because it has stopped moving, stopped resisting, or has surrendered, the threat can still kill you.
  
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- TIME_THE_AVENGER
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:46pm
  We can all be heroes, thanks to the 2nd Amendment. Use it or lose it.
  
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- Bum thrower
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:13pm
  The COPS: 1. Shouldn’t have high capacity magazines, and 2 Need to spend more time at the range. That’s why LE needs all that ammo; can’t hit boush
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:55pm
  This is Saginaw crime capital I wouldn’t blame cops for carrying tommy guns.
  
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- rookorami
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:06pm
  Bum you have 6 officers, 46 shots. That equates to about 7 -8 shots per officer. That is no where near a high capacity magazine. Go to the range and dump 8 shots, it doesn’t take long. Officers are taught to “shoot to end the threat”. I am all for more time training with fire arms for the Police. The more time and scenarios you work on in a controlled environment will assist in accuracy and decision making when an incident arises. Something else to keep in mind if you do not practice all the time and hone those skills its really hard to keep your fundamentals and accuracy when needed. I am in school for Criminal Justice as is. Personally I hope I never have to pull the trigger on another human being.
  
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- rookorami
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:12pm
  One Thing I do need to add. Why non-lethal force wasn’t tried is puzzling. I will wait to pass any judgement until the matter is investigated further as well.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:16am
  Rook,
  You will wait until the cops have a press conference stating that the shooting was wholly justified. Then you will skip along your merry way and never question any of it. Just like a good little statist.
  
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CryptoCop
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:01pm
I see the Blaze consistently siding with alarmists and race hucksters when it comes to stories of police lately. Posting up inflammatory headlines. I fully expect to see editorials in support of Mumia on the Blaze in the near future. Glenn Beck is a tool.

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- Dirty Harry
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Dear Cryptocop, step beyond that thin blue line and open your eyes, pig!
  
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- www.TopTheNews.com
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Not on this article. If the Blaze was “race baiting” or whatever you are implying, they would not have featured this story that involves an unarmed Black man being shot at point blank range by the cops.
  
  If this didn’t happen, please point out what is incorrect with the article.
  
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- Dirty Harry
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:21pm
  Most cops these days are like Cryptocop: Even in the face of obvious cops’ wrongdoing (46 shots…in a public area?), they attempt to distract with some nonsensical BS in hopes that if enough time pases, everyone will forget what happened.
  
  Cops are not yiour friend. The sooner you adopt that concept, the less likely you are to be victimized by those who’re supposed to be the good guys.
  
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- Talmid of Yeshua
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:30pm
  F___ the police… brown shirt thug Nazi’s.
  
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- Mercury24
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:14pm
  Topthenews….point blank would imply being within arms reach of the person. These officers were standing much further back. There is a 30 foot rule which was backed from the 21 ft rule on knives. In less than a second or 2 a person can cover that footage and kill you. It doesnt take much for a knife to lethally wound a person.
  Police are taught to shoot till the action is stopped. They are not taught to shoot to wound. You dont shoot to wound because the wounded person can still kill you. Once one person shoots sometimes the others shoot automatically.
  Until you good people face a crazy man with a knife do not pass judgement. The family obviously could not handle him so he was on the street.
  If you dont like the police call a crackhead.
  
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- Dirty Harry
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:03am
  Mercury, you’re an idiot…and probably a cop. That 30′ theory doesn’t hold water. The cops had a bunch of options short of firing 46 rounds, some of which no doubt ricocheted through the neighborhood. What do you want to bet the autopsy will NOT show that 46 slugs hit the guy?
  
  But that’s the way cops think. They would rather risk the general public than to accept any risk to themselves. Their job description involves risk, but they do everything they can to transfer that risk to innocent bystanders than to risk themselves. Cowards!
  
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- Jerzey George
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 12:29pm
  DirtyHarry ; Your the true idiot, The first rule of any risky job is to go home alive at the end of your shift.
  The moron ignored the command to drop the knife and made his move and was put down like the mad animal he was acting like.
  
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- Dirty Harry
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:36pm
  Jerseyboy, here’s a hint: When you call someone an idiot, try to use the correct “your.” Lol
  
  Secondly, if you think the “first priority in a high risk job is to go home alive,” you’re wrong on 2 levels.
  
  1. Being a cop is far from high risk. It is in fact about #14 on the risk, far below roofers and contractors.
  
  2. Your opinion is the problem. A cop accepted a certain level of “risk” when he accepted his job. His job is to protect citizens and thus the very definition of his job is to be willing to place his life at risk to protect citizens. These cops, on the otherhand, chose to put innocents citizens at high risk of a ricocheted bullet in order to protect themselves. Cowards.
  
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Too_Far_Gone
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:58pm
I’ll say again, never trust a cop nowadays ..

90% of them ..

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- resme
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Never talk to Cops also. NEVER TALK TO COPS!
  
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- daxawyes
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Agree completely. A cops mentality is to look for wrong and see wrong doing in anyone and everyone and you get what you look for. I’ve seen it first hand and anyone who goes out in public at night in a college town can see it in full force. It’s borderline what you might call a police state. Hannity praises the police but Hannity is asleep by 9pm.
  
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- Sirfoldallot
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:21pm
  So we should trust u ?
  
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- Too_Far_Gone
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:22pm
  @SIR
  
  Did’nt say to trust me, Idiot.
  
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- Captain Crunch
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:33pm
  I agree… NEVER TALK TO COPS…it’s their job to “investigate” you all the way to jail. Keep your mouth shut. Bunch of stupid idiots here who think the cops are their friends. Ask this man who was shot 46 times if they were his “friends”?
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:50pm
  there job is to protect the rich and powerful and oppress the common man in order to do so.
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:43pm
  @too_far_gone aka encinom.
  You responed 5 times to you own post using 4 different names, now whos the idiot?
  
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- resme
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:02pm
  “You responed 5 times to you own post using 4 different names, now whos the idiot?”
  
  Only you, Idiota.
  
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- Too_Far_Gone
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 2:34pm
  grimmster
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:43pm
  @too_far_gone aka encinom.
  You responed 5 times to you own post using 4 different names, now whos the idiot?
  _______________________________________________________________
  
  What the HeII are you smoking ? Got your own little dream world going on there huh?
  
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Impenitent
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:57pm
Just wait until Obama’s IRS healthcare cops start…

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gregwright
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:55pm
If they had to shoot why not stop him with a non lethal shot to a leg or shoulder?

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- SteamedinMichigan
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:05pm
  To be fair, they did.
  
  The arm……
  The leg….
  
  Then the chest, shoulders, hands, neck, head, back, knees, shins, feet, wrists, ankles, tailbone, duodendum, gall bladder, appendix, femur, little oval shaped thing between the nose and the lip, ears, thighs…..
  
  and a few trees, bushes, vehicles, small rodents and birds – and even a slurpy.
  
  Heck, they could have brought down a herd of Rhinos with 46 FREAKING SHOTS!
  
  Do any of them have any concept of the word, “ENOUGH”?
  
  46 FREAKING SHOTS!!!???!!! Their freaking pistols must have been too hot to hold!!!!! (Maybe that’s why they finally stopped shooting).
  
  Now that I think of it, perhaps that’s why the National Weather Service, our Social Security Offices and other government agencies have been buying so much ammo lately!!!
  
  And, don’t forget, this happened July 1st. These guys are still under investigation!!! No charges have been filed yet!!!!!
  
  Scary
  
  I never thought I’d see the day when I stopped trusting the police – but it’s here and now
  
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- Too_Far_Gone
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:07pm
  Are you kidden me ? That would make sense ! ..
  
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- mercenary4freedom
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 7:08pm
  Why couldn’t they have tased him, how bout it CRYPTOCOPPER? Why these pog cowards that are supposed to be highly trained, could not have disarmed him in a non lethal way is beyond me. Such cowardly BS.
  
  Better step up the training there CRYPPIE, there’s a boatload of us law abiding vets that’ll eat your lunch, you come messing with us!
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:03pm
  This is Saginaw crime capital ever try and stop a crack head it happens several times a day in Saginaw.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:24am
  Because it is much more fun and gratifying to stand there with your buddies and create a virtual machine gun. RatatatatatatatatatatataattatatttaPOW! See how much fun that is. Non-lethal force is for sissies.
  
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jhubbard
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:48pm
A large percentage of the homeless that you see on the streets are mentally ill. We need to go back to having state mental hospitals that take care of the people that are, in some ways, the least capable of caring for themselves or their illnesses.

It is our responsibility to care for those citizens that are incapable of caring for themselves.

I’m not advocating a nanny state. But, if you are not capable of distinguishing reality from those voices in your head, you obviously cannot hold down a job. You also may be a danger to others – because of your disease, not because you are inherently a “bad person”.

Come on people…if we are going to shoot people in the streets that are dangerous, I can think of a few groups a lot more dangerous than this man that you should start with.

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- Want our country back
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:56pm
  obama has us all on a path of being homeless….
  
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- PubliusPencilman
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:58pm
  Wow. You sound an awful lot like a liberal JHubbard. Good luck getting the Tea Party on board this common sense approach.
  
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- cdcats8
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:08pm
  I worked for a state mental institution long ago and people would drop off their old people to be cared for along with the mentally ill people. Somewhere along the line the powers that be decided to main stream the mentally ill and save money for the government, state and US. If this man has a family, why was he not living with one of them? It is easy to accuse when problems come but no one in the family wanted responsibility for him.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:02pm
  jhubbard
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  I am all for it, if the individual states are paying for this, not the Federal government.
  
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- TIME_THE_AVENGER
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:10pm
  In the early 60s, the government decided to outlaw lobotomies and make involuntary commitment almost impossible. Families, who knew damn well their loved ones were off their rockers, were prevented from doing the best thing for them, under the guise of ‘not being a danger to society or themselves’. Essentially, this opened the asylum doors to our present situation. Obviously, the government is trying ti fix the problem it created AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. This incident, if not properly addressed, opens the door for the government to shoot anybody. Jesus, that’s scary.
  
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- jharper
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 9:19pm
  Remember that it was Clinton that shut the facilities down for the mentally ill saying that they had the right to live among us.
  
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- RobbieTLHughie
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 10:14pm
  @JHarper
  
  I don’t know if you were being sarcastic but that whole fiasco happened under Ronald Reagan…
  
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- Tincanbs
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 10:10pm
  Yep, thanks to Reagan, a lot of sick people were forced out to the streets. No answer to this problem is easy, but tossing them on the street did not work.
  
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- iamhungry
  Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:10am
  @TIME_THE_AVENGER,
  you are the first person i’ve ever heard complaining that lobotomies are illegal.
  
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AmericanLass
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:46pm
“The public doesn‘t know this because they don’t do this for a living.” Really ? If the police really believe that statement, they have been on the force far far far too long. All reason and common sense is gone from them. Retrain them or get rid of these bad apples. I support good law enforcement Officers, but there are times when they have to go.

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Tri-ox
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:44pm
Uh, let’s see:

Q: ‘WHY DID THEY KILL HIM?’

A: “for failing to comply with police instructions” (and) “brandishing some sort of knife” (and) “he was threatening to assault police”

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- daxawyes
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:05pm
  Failure to comply? That’s a reason to kill? I don’t think you thought this through. Try again.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:06pm
  He was 20 feet away.
  
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- yougottabekidding
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:08pm
  That certainly did not appear to be a righteous shoot!
  Open area, no immediate escape route, the knife was not within striking distance of any officer that I could see, and no civilians were in danger.
  A tazer would seem to be the optimal choice. They, in my humble opinion, had all day to wear him down.
  There does not seem to be any immediate threat! I would bet someone shot accidentally which triggered the rest of the response.
  
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- saranda
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 8:10pm
  Maybe he was offering tickets to a local festival. Oh wait that idiot was from kalamazoo not Saginaw.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 6:30am
  YouGot
  Nowadays, if a cop hears a firecracker go off 2 blocks away he will pull his pistol and discharge all 15 rounds into the nearest warm body then say “who dat, who dere !?”
  
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:43pm
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Anything over six shots was a bit excessive, but with that much adrenalin flowing, it’s easy to empty your gun on a suspect. He should have put down the knife, when ordered.

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The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:38pm
So…I take it these officers won’t have to “qualify” at the range this month?

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- Altair
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 6:24pm
  I shouldn’t have laughed at that !
  
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Blazesurfer
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:36pm
A Tazzer might have
worked eh?

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- kent grotz
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 3:23am
  I reckon these police would like to try out the new ammo. Do they have a quota?
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:37am
  Did they run out of tazzers
  
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freenj
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:33pm
Unbelievable shooting. The cops were not in imminent danger from what I could see. In my opinion not a justified use of deadly force.

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CatB
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:30pm
All I can say is … that back before all the “rights advocates” got involved someone like this could be kept off the streets .. and protected. The police deal with the mentally ill daily. Most of the homeless have some kind of mental illness. Is it “kinder” to have them roaming the streets or somewhere that they can be cared for? As for the shooting .. sounds like the police overeated with the amount of gunfire .. but they could not know if he had more than a knife that they could not see.

I used to work in the office of a agency that worked with the mentally ill … and the police would not come into our office without their guns drawn.

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- Detroit paperboy
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:42pm
  CATB, you are exactly correct, the #1 reason for the spike in homelessness in the late eighties was the ACLU making it impossible to hold somebody in protective custody……..they really did these homeless people a great dis service along with society…….but the left never looks at results, just intentions…”…
  
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- The_Almighty_Creestof
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:43pm
  I have never verified this, but I have heard it from numerous liberal democrats…but supposedly it was my beloved Reagan who arranged for these poeple to be turned loose on society.
  
  Any truth to this?
  
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- CatB
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:52pm
  I don’t know exactly when .. but I think it was incrimental .. they kept giving more and more “rights” and taking away more and more PROTECTION. They talk like protecting them is giving them rights .. it is not.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:10pm
  Looks like the mean old light bulb fascist nanny state has a role in caring for these people. Unless you want to do it. How far does your Christina charity extend? I can round up a dozen or so poor, hungry, old black men and have them arrive on your doorstep. Then we’ll see.
  
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Shasta
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:27pm
I wouldn’t want to be the person taking that video if those police had seen him or her taking it.

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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 9:15am
  Yeah, they would have shot you too!
  
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SteamedinMichigan
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:25pm
“…..One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second,” he said. “The public doesn‘t know this because they don’t do this for a living….”

Ummmmm – Uhhhhhhh…..

Dude, he wasn’t 20 feet from ALL FREAKING 6 OF THE POLICEMEN!

Since this administration has been in power, I find myself trusting the police less and less. Honestly. I never, EVER thought I would say that.

I see them transitioning in a direction I don’t like….Nope, not at all.

They shake down little girls with lemonade stands, they look the other way when union thugs trash the capital building of Wisconsin, (HELL, ONE OF THEM EVEN VOICED SUPPORT FOR THE UNIONS WHILE WEARING A FREAKING UNIFORM), the look the other way when Black Panthers’ place a bounty on a person’s head or threaten people at a voting booth. We are not allowed to record them during a traffic stop, yet they can have access to our cell phones and all the data in it without a search warrant. They can have drones monitoring us 24/7 without a reason for doing so….

I could go on and on…..

The police are beginning to scare me.

And so are their puppet masters.

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- GodFearingMama
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Are they trying to start a riot ???
  
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- DRT_7.62_BTHP
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:52pm
  I never thought I’d distrust em either. Like the guy with the conceal carry who the cops beat up. What’s it coming to?
  
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- SteamedinMichigan
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:57pm
  Obama is trying very, very hard to start a riot. His Class Warfare is INSANITY. Here is the problem, once he gets his minions so crazy, so hot under the collar, so nuts that they begin their riot – HE WON’T BE ABLE TO SHUT IT OFF.
  
  Mobs have NO off switch.
  
  Look at the French Revolution – if we really want a glimpse of how terrifying the future can be for this country if Obama doesn’t stop his divisive rhetoric, we must simply examine the French Revolution. It is “Cast Iron Scary”. Ann Coulter’s recent book, “Demonic” compares the French Revolution to the American Revolution. Really, really scary stuff
  
  And the similarities between the beginnings of that revolution and where this president is taking us are worth considering.
  
  Personally, I believe the Annointed One will be elected again – they have worked very hard on dividing this country so finely that America is in pieces, fractured and splintered. There are just too many people who want to be taken care of by our government and they’ll vote “YES” for their meal ticket, their American citizenship, their prejudice. But, if by some miracle, he is not reelected, mark my words, there will be rioting in the streets.
  
  During the Annointed One’s next 4 years, he will do irreparable harm to this country. In my opinion, the police force will be just one of his weapons used to corral the disobedient conservatives
  
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- Slice_Of_Life
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:14pm
  Please don’t judge all of us by the actions of a few. The majority of us are God-fearing Christian Conservatives who take our oath to heart. Unfortunately, most good deeds go unpublished while the actions of the few “bad apples” make head-line news. *Disclaimer: my comment does not reflect my opinion regarding this specific story as not enough information is known to make an informed assessment regarding the officers actions in this situation.
  
  PS: Please say an extra prayer for those of us working the RNC in Tampa, FL and for my brothers and sisters in blue who are working the upcoming DNC in Charlotte, NC.
  
  RR~2012
  
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txbigfoot
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:24pm
Seriously? if you were sooo concerned, why did you not have him under control? Why did he have a knife? Why did he refuse to put it down? A knife is way more dangerous than a gun up close. Ask anyone in the business and then ask why did he bring a knife to a gunfight.. oops.

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- DRT_7.62_BTHP
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:55pm
  Mjythbusters tried it. Under 20 knife wins every time.
  
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- Dirty Harry
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 8:15am
  A knife is more dangerous than a gun up close? Who the heck told you that???
  
  You guys defy reason. A homeless guy with a knife, 30′ away? Your theories assume the cop is dumb enough to not take evasive action if the guy charged. They trained for that, no? It is laughable to think that an old guy like that could charge 1 of 6 cops and actually stab him before the other 5 intervened. I mean, at least wait to shoot until he charges.
  
  If a cop cannot fire a loaded, condition 1 gun, 3 times, that is already pointed at the guy, before he can cover even 15 of that 30′, he has no business carrying a gun.
  
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iblvingd
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:23pm
Wow! 46 Bullets for a knife? What were the cops trying to prove here. Six cops and six bullets still would have been too many! He would have been just as dead.

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- Walkabout
  Posted on August 19, 2012 at 5:19pm
  They fired 46 bullets. How many hit?
  
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PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:22pm
I was trained as a correctional officer on how to disarm a man with a knife. It can be done but when it gets down to a real person with a knife it can be rather unpredictable and you honestly have to have a lot more practice than what you get in training to get the reflexes down to perform those techniques. 46 times does seem a bit much though. And I can’t see the video for myself yet. Just giving my two cents.

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- jonathanloosle
  Posted on August 20, 2012 at 4:39pm
  When you have several people firing at once 46 shots isn’t as many as people realize especially when the adrenaline is pumping. You’d also be amazed how many bullets a person can be hit with before going down, especially with 9mm. I hope the investigation gets the right story and the justice system takes correct action.
  
  http://www.empowernetwork.com/techitmore/blog/long-term-strategies-vs-short-term-strategies/
  
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13th Imam
Posted on August 19, 2012 at 4:18pm
Is it normal for Non-Violent people to brandish knives? Why couldn’t we hand John Corzine a knife in Saginaw?

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