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Marine Sent to Psych Ward Over Facebook Posts Now Released… But Who Could Be Next?

Aug. 23, 2012 4:02pm Jason Howerton

Judge Orders Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts Brandon Raub Released, Could You Be Next?

Brandon Raub (Source: Facebook)

(UPDATE: Attorney of Former Marine Detained for Facebook Posts to Beck: Psychiatrist Threatened to ‘Brainwash’ My Client With Meds)

The Marine veteran who was detained over anti-government Facebook posts is headed home after a circuit court judge ordered he be released from a psychiatric facility on Thursday, WWBT in Richmond reports.

The judge ruled that the government had no legal grounds to detain Brandon J. Raub, a 26-year-old former U.S. Marine, and Virginia resident.

On August 20, Raub was sentenced to up to 30 days in a psychiatric facility after he was detained by federal law enforcement on August 16 over some Facebook posts that criticized the U.S. government and questioned the official story behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He also referred to “starting a revolution.”

John Whitehead, Raub’s lead attorney, will appear on Glenn Beck’s show tonight on GBTV, soon-to-become TheBlazeTV — watch it LIVE tonight at 5:15 ET or stream it later here.

Whitehead told Business Insider that the August 20 detention order was “rubber-stamped” and represents the corrupt system in Virginia.

“The special justice is very old,” Whitehead said. “He had trouble hearing Brandon. He brought into the courtroom a personal cassette player – we tried to listen to it and you can hardly hear what’s being said. This is the so-called judge – he’s a lawyer, not a real judge – it’s like what you would see in a bad movie.”

So, as many of you are probably wondering, under what grounds could you be detained by the federal government without a warrant or probable cause?

Well, according to Whitehead, more than 20,000 people are “committed” under similar circumstances each year — in Virginia alone. “That means a lot of people are disappearing,” accused of having a so-called mental illness.

“I’m friends with the local police; I could call them right now and probably get you committed if you were in Virginia,” Whitehead added. “They can arrive at your door based on somebody’s testimony or your Facebook page and take you away to a mental hospital… There’s a system here that is corrupt. And this guy is caught in it.”

In his defense motion, Raub’s lawyers argued that the initial detention orders did not follow Virginia state law that the Chesterfield Police Department cited, making Raub’s indefinite detention illegal.

Chesterfield police claimed they “took Raub into custody for evaluation in accordance with Virginia State Code § 37.2-808 Emergency custody.”

But as Business Insider points out, “Va. Code § 37.2-808 states that a person in emergency custody may only be held for four hours unless a magistrate enters a temporary detention order (TDO).” Raub was held for days.

From Raub’s defense motion:

“The government’s power to involuntarily admit an individual for evaluation of a mental illness is a creation of statute. Because an order providing for such admission deprives a citizen of his liberty, to protect citizens from an overreaching government the Virginia legislature has created a specific, detailed procedure, set forth in Virginia Code § 37.2-800, that must be followed before an individual can be involuntarily admitted. In the present case, that procedure was not followed. As such, the District Court’s August 20, 2012 order is void.”

“The best thing they can do now is say ‘We’re not going to charge this guy, we’re going away.’ But we’re not going to let this go away,” Whitehead said.

This is from Raub’s Facebook page:

America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism.

The incident raises the possibility that the government may be monitoring what you say via social media. It is already compiling your tweets and this shows it could be monitoring your Facebook posts as well.

FBI spokeswoman Dee Rybiski argues federal agents did not monitor Raub’s Facebook page, but were sent “a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts.” But Whitehead argues the Facebook page in question was recently created and set to private and that he doubts the FBI’s official story. What may be more alarming is that “a few complaints” could result in an American citizen being placed in a psych ward.

Brandon Raub's profile (Image: Facebook screenshot)

That brings us to the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, signed into law by President Obama on New Years Eve, which civil rights activists argue allows the federal government to “indefinitely detain” American citizens considered to be “terrorists.”

The Washington Times provides commentary from a Dallas lawyer who explains his concerns with the case and the new powers granted to the federal government under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012:

“In May, a U.S. Judge Forrest suspended the federal government’s new unconstitutional power to indefinitely detain United States citizens based on mere suspicion of being ‘terror-linked.’ Last week, Obama’s attorneys refused to define any terms, including what constituted as ‘linked’ to a ‘terrorist.’”

“They also refused to testify they were not in contempt of court for denying due process for Americans even after the judge’s restriction. This is a reckless abandonment of the American system and a violation of every American principle.”

“Arresting dissidents without calling it ‘arrest,’ which is in complete violation of Raub’s civil liberties, combined with the insistence that the federal government has a right to imprison anyone based on suspicion, should scare every American. We are losing this republic and fast.”

To be sure, President Obama has promised he will not use the indefinite detention power on U.S. citizens, but he can’t speak for all of America’s future presidents.

As the Washington Times explains, “the language of the NDAA is so vague that Raub’s entire family, friends or anyone who ‘substantially supported’ him or ‘associated forces’ could also be indefinitely detained without trial. According to Obama’s lawyers, it is possible.”

TheBlaze reached out to Whitehead for additional comment but did not hear back in time for this report.

While more details are likely to come out, so far it seems the FBI, Secret Service, and local law enforcement used a controversial state statute to detained a military veteran with no warrant and ordered he be committed to an insane asylum.

If a Facebook post, titled “The Truth,” can land Raub in a psych ward and likely on the government’s “watch list” for years to come, it may be reasonable to ask: What stops federal agents from busting down your door if you happen to be a 9/11 “truther” or an anti-government liberty activist?

Also keep in mind, people who are “reverent of individual liberty” are already potential “right-wing terrorists,” according to the Department of Homeland Security.

Raub’s case was discussed on “Real News From The Blaze” Wednesday. Watch a clip from the show where the panel was joined by John Whitehead of The Rutherford Institute, who is representing Raub.

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Comments (209)

Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm
So it continues, and do not forget the ‘unlimited detention of American citizens’ that Obama had signed not long ago. This is only a small taste of what will happen when the god-king of the Democrats unleashes his madness on us all.

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- Mutiny
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:33pm
  Dont skip by who created and supported that bill either. Obama and friends own this. Give credit where credit is due. McCain, Paul Ryan, West, Rubio, and even Romney share this one with Obama.
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Mutiny-
  I was very disappointed in West for this vote. Up until then I liked. Only 3 Republicans voted against it. Sad state of affairs.
  
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- MAULEMALL
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Mutiny is shorthand for MuTard…
  
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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:54pm
  House passed bill with out sections 1031 and 1032, the controversial sections that allow Americans to be indefinitely detained. (I didn’t look this up so I might be wrong on numbers.) Senate put them in at Obama’s personal request. Republicans went along to avoid military cuts, that ended up happening anyway. Romney didn’t have anything to do with this bill and Paul voted on a different bill. McCain does hold some responsibility. But that’s because he was in the military it has a way of brain washing people.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:08pm
  Mutiny is right on about this. Why call him names? Do you disagree that the people he mentioned aren’t supporters of this? I looked at the Republican voting records a few weeks ago and there are VERY few Republicans that aren’t in favor of the police state.
  
  GOP that have a clean record on the police state:
  
  Justin Amash, MI
  Timothy Johnson, IL
  Tom McClintock CA
  
  GOP that have a mistake or two on the police state:
  
  Walter Beaman Jones Jr., NC (drones)
  Scott Tipton, CO (cyber security)
  Raul Labrador, ID (cyber security)
  Jeffrey Duncan, SC (cyber security)
  H. Morgan Griffith, VA (cyber security, drones)
  
  In the Senate, you have Rand Paul and Jim Demint.
  
  If you believe in the Bill of Rights, then every Republican not on this list must be voted out. And note, the only 2010 Tea Party members on the list is Rand Paul.
  
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- IsThereADifference
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:08pm
  MAULEMALL wow good one! huhuhu huhuhuh duh!
  
  It’s hard for me to sit here and read some of these comments. Most people here are adamant about voting for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and talk about how these things are going to stop when we get Obama out of office. Yet; Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan supported this bill. Paul Ryan voted yes for this bill that robs ALL Americans of their liberty.
  
  Here is what they write in response to people who post the truth in their comments:
  You’rs so STUPID. Stupid Paulbots huh hu huh huh. You’re voting for Obama if you WASTE your vote on RP. Paulites are a bunch a liberal neocons huh uhu huh huh. Go back to your parents basement huh duh uhu huhu. Go smoke some pot duh huh uhu huhuhhu.
  
  Go back to sleep now it’s nap nap time.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Freedomofear, After the bill was signed into law, Ron Paul introduced legislation removing only the indefinite detention portion from the 2012 defense bill. That excuse that they went along with it just to keep the military going, is crap.
  
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- IsThereADifference
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Republicans went along to avoid military cuts,
  
  Oh; well then it’s all ok then. They were just trying to keep their unconstituional wars funded while they were stripping us of our rights. Phew! Back to sleep now it’s nap nap time.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:13pm
  @maul
  
  Yes call me names. It proves my point 90% of this country are clueless.
  
  @freedom
  
  The House knew what was coming. They even commented on it. Yes, their excuse was they wanted to fund the troops, that is a lame excuse. The troops fight for our freedom, to fund them with the very same bill that takes our freedom away is absurd. Romney during a debate said he supported the bill as it was worded. So yes, the possible future commander in chief agrees with this and that is a problem for me.
  
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- country_hick
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:17pm
  Hey Snow…
  
  FOIA the procedures that the Service uses to ‘investigate’ a referral.
  
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- rose-ellen
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:54pm
  You fox fed gulls brought this on yourselves[ with your;there's a [muslim]boogey man terrorist around every bend and if you oppose our war on terror you’re unamerican -mentality].Now you’re surprised your war mongering totalizing fascist good vs. evil mentality has come back to bite you.
  
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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:00pm
  Throughout American history people have been condemned by the American Government for mental health issues. It was far more frequent even up into the 1930′s than it is today, and the condemned were often housed in jails in horrible conditions. Some were forced to have parts of their brains cut out (lobodamy) and some were even euthanized. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/diseases/early.html
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:14pm
  Hi Justangry,
  
  You should retype that first post. It looks like you put “In the Senate, you have Rand Paul and Jim Demint” under the “GOP that have a mistake or two on the police state” category.
  
  Hope all is well with you and yours. : )
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 7:44pm
  Rose-Ellen, They’re all the same, but yeah Fox is horrible with their boogyman scare tactics. If you haven’t notice the Constitutionalists and Libertarians are on here speaking out against it. Of course, we’re the boogymen to the Lefties and commies.
  
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Not Giving Up
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm
Troll, you should change up your approach every now and then. Keep it interesting. Your posts are so predictable. You are not living up to your name.

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nzkiwi
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:25pm
That was meant for Trollmonger. I was being a bit lazy.

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nzkiwi
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:23pm
Maybe some future right-wing president has been noting your idiotic posts and decides to send you to a mental hospital until you change your ways?

What is your view of NDAA likely to be then?

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momrules
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:22pm
How can anyone still believe that we are still living in Old America? Only in New America could this happen and it could happen to anyone of us.

I HATE being afraid of my own government and I am. I hate being called a terrorist because I believe in the Old America and proudly say so to any and all.

Brandon Raub was a test case, many many more of us may disappear before long and only the government will know where we are.

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- resme
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:32pm
  Totally agree, Mom. We have to remember when we send these politicians to washington they do not magically become perfect and sinless along the way. It’s what we have the constitution for to restrain these imperfect humans. The constitution is nothing but words on a piece of paper to the politician. ITS UP TO THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:34pm
  Very well said and yes they are testing,probing, looking to see how far we’ll allow them to go and trample the constitution. “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson.
  
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- NHwinter
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:55pm
  MomRules – I hate being afraid of our government too and it has come to that now. Even at the local level where they are trying to sneak in UN Agenda 21 without the public’s knowledge. This Marine deserves compensation for what they did to him. Its like a story out of a movie about Hitler. I pray the elections are actually held in Nov. and that Romney wins.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:15pm
  Welcome to the Liberty Movement, Momrules! Once you embrace it, the fear goes away.
  
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RNR2012
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:20pm
Wow! The silence (lack of comments) is deafening. We do need to stand against this over-reaching government – peacefully stand. Here’s a suggestion: Detain the leaders of the New Black Panther Party and have them committed for a psych evaluation. Fair is fair.

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- Cherbear
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:39pm
  @RNR2012. Give it time, but believe me, more people realize this for what it is and don’t have to post. All I can say is, we are Americans and we’ll only tolerate so much; don’t push us into a corner. I pray for this nation, we need it.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:50pm
  Interesting that Holder never notices their craziness ! The NBPP were the force behind the Zimmerman media circus/ witch hunt . And it was a black dude who killed Malcolm X. Odd that justice may be blind but certainly not COLOR blind ! Useful tools for the Far Left Democrats now in power…
  
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- resme
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:02pm
  “Useful tools for the Far Left Democrats now in power”
  
  @barber, Only if the republicans didn’t give them the “tools”.
  
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resme
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:20pm
“To be sure, President Obama has promised he will not use the indefinite detention power on U.S. citizens, but he can‘t speak for all of America’s future presidents.”

Why does he need the power then?

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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:51pm
  And it only took him 7 months for him to break that promise.
  
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- resme
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:59pm
  “And it only took him 7 months for him to break that promise.”
  
  That’s what we think. I wonder how many have been secretly black bagged and whisked away.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:12pm
  dont forget the kill list. that has been around for awhile
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:53pm
  Oh I haven’t forgot about the kill list. Killing someone without due process is murder. Obama, by definition, is a murderer.
  
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justangry
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
Actually the Blaze and MSM were late to pick up on this story. People were hammering the message boards at least two days before Drudge picked it up. When did you Huffpo pick up on it?

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Common Sense 24
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
So you can indefinitely detain someone for being linked to a terrorist? Even somebody like Bill Ayers. Hmmm……….

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- vanman4446
  Posted on August 24, 2012 at 4:26pm
  You have to remember this is by order of the head bull **** Napolitano.
  
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PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
This is scary stuff.
OMG

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WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
Can you expand on your comment? What was he lying about? Did none of this even happen? Are we all delusional? Or did a VET get picked up by the secrect service for his negative post about the government?

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nzkiwi
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
But what if they come for you next?

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- nzkiwi
  Posted on August 24, 2012 at 5:10am
  How come Troll’s comment was pulled?
  
  It was silly, but he should still b e allowed to say it.
  
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Cuthalu
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:18pm
I love that statement near the end, that the government “may be” monitoring social media. Hello, they have for a LONG time. They watch, monitor and record any and ALL electronics, all without our knowledge, permission and of course withOUT a search warrant. Land of the free? Hasn’t been for my lifetime.

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nzkiwi
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:18pm
You guys need to do something about this frightening statute. It’s like something from Soviet Russia.

What is Mr Romney’s view on this?

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- hidden_lion
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:40pm
  Romney supports it as do 97% of the republican party. Republicans sponsored it and voted for it. Only 3 republicans voted against it. Thank God my representative was one of them.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 6:15pm
  @Lion,
  
  Clearly he wasted his vote then.
  
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Mutiny
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:17pm
Thanks too Obama, Rubio, McCain, Graham, Ryan, West, and (supported by Romney) it could be anyone next. The FBI already thinks using cash, storing food, buying ammo, buying guns, or buying farm land is considered terrorist activity.

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WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:17pm
According to “therealconservative”(the DHS goon) and “Time2End” anyone who dares to question the government is next. Neconservatives love the quasi-police state USSR model that we are falling into. Remember we have been hijacked by bankers and globalist. The Texas judge gets it, hell anyone who has an IQ above 100 gets it. Now maybe Beck is a flip floping swine when it comes to 911 truthers, but atleast he has enough sense to see this was wrong. But when therealconservative and time think we are all crazy, you can be assured, we are anything but.

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stopspendingourmoney
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:16pm
Now he needs to sue the FBI and secret service for arresting him for no crime being committed. I would bet he will have the lawyers lining up at his door.

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- RNR2012
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:29pm
  Yeah… good luck suing the government. Obama will just sick the IRS dogs on you. R&R 2012!
  
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barber2
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:16pm
Interesting. The old USSR Communist regime used this tactic to send political opponents to the gulags. Is this another ” flexible” example of the international Left school of government to which America’s Far Left Democrats seem to be active members ?

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- Mutiny
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:32pm
  Interesting you bring that up, since your boy Romney supports it. Of course so does Obama, Paul Ryan, Rubio, West, great former nominee McCain and his buddy Graham all believe in indefinite detention.
  
  Oh but remember the Alex Jones/Ron Paul supporters are the crazy people. You wont get it until there is martial law, our guns are gone, and people are being shot by firing squads in alleys.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:41pm
  Mutiny: We have our wonderful sneaky terrorists to thank for all of this added security. They are truly the “gift that keeps on giving” to those who want to “change ” America – for the worse . Fits so nicely with that open border mess. ( while we have tax payers have to be groped at airports ?! our federal government refuses to seal our borders ?! Make sense ?! )
  
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- resme
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:45pm
  @barber, Watch this short 5 minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkgDl6mmO0
  
  It’s on your favorite network FOX!
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:50pm
  Good thing no Republicans voted for it. Oh, wait. Good thing the GOP VPOTUS didn’t vote for it. Ooops. Well good thing Romney opposes it. Uh…nevermind.
  
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- stopspendingourmoney
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:02pm
  Amen Mutiny!!!
  its amazing to me that most people don’t know this and or ignore it all together. Including Beck, I like him, but I don’t understand this part about about him.
  Got Ron Paul?
  
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- ConstitunalAmerican
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 8:48pm
  As this government continues to take over every aspect of our lives, from healthcare to the food we eat, to predetermined activities, to indoctrination to curfews, we will have less and less liberties till finally we all become a nation of unrelenting servitude. Why have we as Americans looked the other way? And we dismissed what we heard as idle chattering. Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of us for our lack of concern over these many, many years that .gov has chipped away at our rights. Obama only has taken advantage of our own negligence. Vote for America while we still can!!
  
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grayhaired vet
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:15pm
Everyday that passes, it seems more and more like 1936 in Da Fatherland.

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eCharleen
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:15pm
You know Big Brother’s tollin’ this site.

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:14pm
…
We folks here at The Blaze are next.

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- Mutiny
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:34pm
  No, there is only a few on their list here. Most of them are freedom and Constitution followers. The Romney people are safe and will be just part of the herd.
  
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Platonician
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:13pm
“That means a lot of people are disappearing,”
Of course, and one of the first Executive Orders Obama will enact after November is the creation of “reeducation camps”, after Bill Ayers’ plan. They will be managed by the most brutal and sadistic elements of the militia Obama will form with all the black male convicts he will pardon. There were 820,000 black criminals serving time in 2008.

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:13pm
I am glad he is out…, he never should have been picked up to begin with. He should now sue them all including the person(s) that passed and promoted this unconstitutional law. Someone needs to pay. This government and some state governments are completely out of control and need to be slapped down.

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- barber2
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:19pm
  Where’s the ACLU when you need them ? Wouldn’t that be a switch hit for them ?
  
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- jungle J
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:37pm
  send him a check now.
  
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McNamara
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:11pm
Time to get off of Fartbook. I hope he sues the tar out of Virginia..

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EqualJustice
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:08pm
I don’t agree with his posts, but then again, I don’t agree with ANY liberals who post, either. Maybe they will take all the LIBERALS to the psych ward.

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- thegreatcarnac
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:26pm
  Good idea. Send libs to asylums. God knows they are all twisted.
  
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- RLTW
  Posted on August 23, 2012 at 5:56pm
  Liberals by virtue of ideology live in a perpetual asylum already.
  
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