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Paul Ryan Makes Pitch to Ron Paul supporters: ‘We See Eye to Eye on a lot of Issues’

Aug. 27, 2012 4:47pm Jason Howerton

Paul Ryan Makes Pitch to Ron Paul Supporters for Mitt Romney Ticket

Presumptive vice presidential candidate U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). Credit: Getty Images

Texas Congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul has refused to endorse presidential nominee Mitt Romney, saying it “would undo everything” he has done in the last three decades. However, Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan isn’t ready to take “no” for an answer.

In an interview that will air Monday on Fox News, Ryan told Bret Baier that Ron Paul supporters should feel “comfortable” with the Republican ticket, adding that Obama is only offering a “cradle-to-grave welfare state.”

“We see eye to eye on a lot of issues. We believe in sound money. We believe in economic freedom. We believe in the founding principles,” Ryan said.

“We believe this is a watershed moment for America,” he added, “whether we are going to reclaim the American idea or a cradle-to-grave welfare state which is where I think the president is taking us. So, I think in the final analysis Ron, he and his supporters should be comfortable with us.”

Ryan also said he has known the Libertarian congressman for many years in Congress.

“Ron is a friend of mine,” Ryan said. He went on to explain that Americans have a clear choice “between the president’s failed leadership, the big government that he is offering, the borrowing that he is offering, the spending and regulating that he is offering which will give us a stagnant economy, a lost generation, not just a lost decade; and the Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan plan of reclaiming our founding principles, getting back to economic freedom and liberty and reviving this economy.”

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mcsledge
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:56pm
America had better wake up and decide can we survive four more year’s from a President who has proven to be the average citizen’s worst enemy (i.e., unconstitutional regulations, out-of-control spending, lies and deceit, failure to live up to promises, the desruction of our present energy backbone [coal, oil], etc.).

I know that we have a lot of little differences, but we are headed down a path of socialism, including the destruction of our US Constitution – the foundation for our present freedoms. You either fight against the elephant in the room or you help contribute to Obama’s victory by wasting your vote for someone else who has no chance of winning.

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:07pm
  The freaking GOP GAVE us most of the constitutional infringements!!!!! What is wrong with you all?
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:44pm
  America can rise, like a phoenix, from its ashes.
  
  Romney will gull you pathetic morons back to sleep, so the rape can continue.
  
  Obama has awakened you, and you’re getting righteously indignant over civil liberties violations.
  
  And you expect US to support ROMNEY, so YOU can go back to SLEEP?
  
  Hah!
  
  I, for one, welcome our new Communist Overlords, for it is only by fighting against them, that we can come together to reclaim our liberty.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:45pm
  @Rothbard, They must be in denial is all I can think of.
  
  Here, these are the republicans in congress and senate that haven’t voted to BLATANTLY trash the Constitution. (like repealing the 6th and 7th amendments in the yearly defense bill…WOW!)
  
  Justin Amash, MI
  Timothy Johnson, IL
  Tom McClintock CA
  Ron and Rand Paul, TX/KY
  
  But yeah, it’s all Obama’s fault.
  
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- All Pro
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:17pm
  Without George W Bush and the GOP non of what Obama is doing would be possible. I will NOT vote for either of the mainstream progressives. I’ve read Romney’s record, I’ve read Ryans record, I’m living Obama’s record. Not a pinch of difference between them. In so far as this article goes, it just proves Ryan is a LIAR.
  
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- mtcountrygrl
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:18pm
  No Paulbots want violent revolution. Instead of helping us turn the ship around. They want to help Obama distroy the country so they can have their revolution. Paulbots are as bad as OWS. Both want violent overthrow of the system. If they were on board with reform, they would help influence inside the party like the tea party and turn the ship in the right direction. They want revolution and blood in the streets. That is the simple truth.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:26pm
  @mt
  That’s a really stupid comment.
  I love this country. I just wanted a fair election. It was far from fair.
  I also want the Constitution back.
  Obama and Romney have no oath to the Constitution. I will not support that plain and simple.
  Red and blue caused this mess. I guess hopefully after four more years of the same (if we make it that long); you people will wake up.
  The economy isn’t everything and our loss of freedom will prove that in time.
  
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- engineer357
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:30pm
  we are going have to survive 4 more or 8 years of the same. Both are going to barrow, go to war, take away civil liberties, and ultimately financial liberty. The banks are lining up to be bailed out again….just wait and see….just remember this post….wait and see what happens in the next couple years when we have bailed out just as much or more than 2008. I am going to promise you that if we vote Obama or Romney its going to HAPPEN. the banks are hedging their bets on both…..got to keep pumping those tax payer dollars into the system….keep the ponsi scheme going….and in the meantime….lets talk about some social issues like marriage and abortion….so we can get our minds off the goal of stealing the money!
  
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TJeff1
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:55pm
Romney’s stance on Monetary Policy:

“”"Counterfeit economies require frequent injections of counterfeit money to remain fraudulently healthy.”"”

It’s simple Kleptonomics 101 actually, it’s all good until it isn’t and then there will be a lot of crying.

Sorry Romney and Ryan…. you are a “hard money” phonies.

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- mcsledge
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:03pm
  I worry about anyone taking economic advise from you.
  
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- TJeff1
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:14pm
  I have been in Gold and Silver since 2002. Take a look at the charts. How have you done in your paper assets?? You could only wish you had taken advice from me.
  
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- TeaParty_RonPaul_R3VOLUTION
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:58pm
  @MCSLEDGE
  
  I worry about anyone taking an English class from you. “Advise” is a verb . I think you meant “advice.”
  
  By the way, isn’t English your first language?
  And for the record, Ron Paul is the greatest congressman we’ve ever had. He represents the libertarian philosophy of the founders of this country. Do you honestly believe that ROmney and Ryan are closer to the ideology of the founders than Ron Paul?
  
  Ron Paul is the reason why so many young people have registered to vote in the Republican primaries. Yet the neo-con morons, such as yourself, have done a stellar job in turning away Ron Paul supporters, instead of courting them by changing position on a few positions.
  
  Change your position of the failed war on drugs and terrorism. Accept the fact that actions have consequences and when you invade another country, then people will view you as an aggressor.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:14pm
  http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/romneys-big-fat-wet-kiss-to-keynesian-economics.html
  
  Yeah……
  
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Gourdy
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:46pm
I don’t agree with a lot of what Ron Paul believes, but Ryan and Romney are far, far from Paul’s libertarian philosophy. Ryan’s budget proposals simply don’t add up.

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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:01pm
  So says the buildup of this HUGE GOV EMPIRE brought to you by red and blue.
  
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Dcjones
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pm
FACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY. It is too late to change course. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.

Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.

Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.

Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?

I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.

But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:54pm
  Exactly. And there is someone else who agrees with you….
  
  “The scenario that keeps running through my head goes like this: John McCain somehow wins; the major problems we’re likely going to face regardless of who is elected kick in; McCain gets blamed; and conservative ideals take the fall for McCain’s decidedly nonconservative policies. Plus, it’s always been my theory that you should be voting for something, not against something. Trying to win an election by just being against something is usually fruitless; see John Kerry.”
  -Glenn Beck, July 2008 on the Glenn Beck Show
  
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- Psychosis
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:04pm
  now thats a great avatar picture
  
  lol freakin priceless lol
  
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- LetUsReason
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:10pm
  There are many things in this world and in this country that will happen regardless of which man ends up occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I agree with you in the fact that there will be an eventual economic collapse with either Obama or Romney. But this won’t be an American collapse only. It will be a worldwide collapse and attempt at reshuffling the decks. I am not voting for Romney because I think he can steer us clear of this catastrophe; I am voting for him because he will be the one to help us rebuild. Obama will rebuild this country to something that you nor I will recognize. Romney will not. If you vote for Ron Paul, then (1) You will still see a worldwide collapse and (2) You are placing your bets with Obama as the better rebuilder.
  
  To ALL Ron Paul supporters: If it’s pride, or stubbornness, or a desire to think only in terms of now, now, now and ideological purity….then I suggest you exercise patience and long-suffering. Fight the fight, but fight it smart. The rest of us want the same things that you do. The only difference is that we are willing to sacrifice some of things we want now in order to have them later.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:02pm
  @LetUsReason, If we’re going to crash, and I believe most of believe we are; I’d prefer to have someone in office that believes I have rights and isn’t a internationalist/statist that will surrender our country over to the UN.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:03pm
  Inserting head in sand…. Who’s coming with me?
  
  Apparently the GOP
  
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jungle J
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:38pm
most of the problem is not the presidents…it is the voters for electing the dishonest because they remind them of themselves. The sane and those trying hard to be honest understand.

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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:37pm
I’ve said this a squillion times on my show an on the web…If you even lean conservative; you have to vote Romney. If you don’t, you are not anywhere near conservative. I did not like Romney for our GOP candidate but I am a believer in following logic, not emotion. I vote against Obama, not for Romney. I have had a number of surrogates for Romney on my show. Sununu, Gov. Walker, etc…I’ve told all of them my feelings. They get it. Don’t you Paul supporters? The country’s needs outweigh your individual needs and mine. Come on, let’s beat this punk who’s punked us for 4 years!

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- ExTex
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Exactly! I, too, am not a huge fan of Romney, but that’s who we have to go to battle with. Splitting the troops will only spell defeat. Country before Cause is what I say.
  
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- Dcjones
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:43pm
  First off. Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
  
  Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
  
  Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
  
  I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
  
  But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:44pm
  thats funny that ron paul supporters are expected to just go along. But in the debates, when the other candidates were asked if they would vote for Ron Paul if he were the nominee – many either laughed or said no. Why should the Tea Party and Ron Paul folks always bend over for you establishment types? Shouldnt Romney make some sort of promise or compromise in order to get our vote? For instance, if Romney signed a legal contract that he would not run for re-election in 2016 – i might vote for him
  
  At the end of the day, your problem is the election laws and process. The republicans should work to improve it if they are so worried about 3rd party candidates
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pm
  ” If you don’t, you are not anywhere near conservative.”
  
  So if you don’t want to vote for a generation of budget deficits, erosion of civil liberties, gun control, government run healthcare, and expansion of government…you’re not anywhere near conservative?
  
  Well, guess that excluded me. Seriously though, y’all have lost your dang minds.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:09pm
  if your a communist you should vote for Romney. if your a socialist you should vote for Obama, if your a capitalist you should vote for Gary Johnson.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:16pm
  DC: You need to leave that town ! It has ruined your thinking! In summary ; Nobama 2012 No Democrats 2012
  
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- LetUsReason
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:21pm
  @ DCJONES
  
  You don’t need to copy and paste your comments in order to have them be understood. Yes, we get it…the train off the cliff analogy. Good job.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:23pm
  @Tron, I wish I could help you out because I truly hate Obama, but I’m a civil liberties kind of guy and they’ve pushed back what our ancestors have fought for centuries (8 centuries actually with the NDAA) with a few key votes, which none of them are even slightly apologetic about.
  
  Then there’s the warmongering. I mean, I’m sorry, but I’ve washed my hands of it, and I can’t go back and be what I once was. I didn’t see God there. As a matter of fact, I lost my faith there, and I can’t imagine dropping bombs on people that didn’t do anything to me will help me get it back. I doubt seriously that supporting more bloodshed will help me get into heaven either. Furthermore, I love my brothers still serving, and I don’t want to be responsible for sending them back into another unnecessary war. That’s all on you guys. I can’t help it you’re voting for the wrong candidate. I’ve done my best to persuade everyone to vote with these principles in mind.
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:25pm
  @individualism
  
  Well said :) Too bad capitalism is dying and I don’t see anyone fighting for it.
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:29pm
  @justangry
  
  If you lost God then Satan wins another. Love you hon, but it’s hard to lose something that wasn’t there. God makes Himself known even in these tragedies and dictating to yourself what He should and shouldn’t do means that you’ve missed the point somewhere. I pray you find peace even in this turmoil because it’s only going to get worse and God’s going to let it happen.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:47pm
  @PutMoreOnMyPlate, Seems to me Satan has already won. Can you honestly tell me you see anything godly in this video? This is the kind of thing my squadron did in 91, and they were the best at it. We were awarded the Battle E and everything. And despite me telling people over and over that it sucks, we still have a bunch of people cheering for more of it because of the lying ass CFR owned media and politicians’ propaganda. No sir we have a nation of, so called, Christians unable to love their enemies, turn the other cheek and forgive others of their trespasses. If I weren’t an agnostic, I’d say every vote cast for a man who has essentially promised more of this was guided by Satan himself. I’m sorry, I’m just really not in the mood for your piety.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3e3g-8hHAw
  
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pm
Typical uneducated right wing response. What a moron…LOL!

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- barber2
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:03pm
  And your comment is a typical arrogant Alinsky smear by a Lefty.
  
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bryan305
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:35pm
Romney and Obama are both members of CFR. Doesn’t matter which one you vote for, they’re both backed by the same people. (as all recent presidents have been)

Nothing will change for the better in 2013.

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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:46pm
  Heck a Paul supporter (sorry I forget which one of you it was) linked an article Ryan wrote for the CFR a week or two ago. I’m really suspicous what’s going on the minds of these people other than ruling the world.
  
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- resme
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:57pm
  @just, http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2012/wsj-gop-budget-americas-future/p27687.
  
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IsThereADifference
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:32pm
Pure words of wisdom from a perfect example of what makes up the RNC’s mob.

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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:30pm
ok, so better to vote for Obama than Gary Johnson? I’ll remember that when i cast my Virginia ballot

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- The-Monk
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:59pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  I used to live in Va a long time ago. What part are you near?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:45pm
  hampton roads. between Fort Eustis and Langley Air Force Base
  
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- riseandshine
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:05pm
  What do you think of Virgil Goode?…I don’t know much about him.
  
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- riseandshine
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:20pm
  The above post was meant to be a reply to Soy’s post above mine.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:30pm
  I am in Virgil’s home state and i had never heard of him until a month ago. I am a big fan of the Constitution Party but Virgil Goode is a huge let-down from Pastor Chuck Baldwin. I’ll take Gary Johnson over Virgil anyday
  
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floridareader
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:29pm
I like many of Ron Paul’s stances, but he does not a have chance to get nominated. So there are two options: remain divided and give Obama four more years to continue “fundamentally” transforming the USA, o united for once and take our country back.
It’s up to you Libertarians.
If Ron Paul’s fans do not want to listen to all of us that support R/R, then they should at least follow another Libertarian: Glenn Beck, and a registered Conservative, Sean Hannity: Both have said in their own shows: Every conservative must get behind the Republican nominated. It’s the only way to save America from becoming a Marxist, Muslim and Communist country.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pm
  “Where have I heard that before? Oh that’s right, from Carol Quigley, it’s in “The Overton Window”: “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies… is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”
  
  “That’s exactly what we are facing today: progressive vs. progressive-light. And that’s by design.”
  
  -Glenn Beck (on his Fox News show)
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:38pm
  Beck is not a libertarian, no matter what he says.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:42pm
  This just doesn’t make sense. If progressiveism is the problem as Glenn points out then how exactly is voting for progressives going to fix it?
  
  So if a patient is dying of cyanide poisoning do you give him arsenic because it will take longer to kill him? It makes no sense.
  
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- All Pro
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:28pm
  Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. He’s a ‘conservative’.
  Conservative = progressive fascist.
  We know are own and he isn’t one of us. We actually question with boldness and act on principle.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 28, 2012 at 9:00am
  @All Pro, But we didn’t get a 100 million dollar contract to pacify the religous right either. LOL You’re right though about us knowing our own. I’m really frustrated with him trying to present this Kibby dude with the porkchop sideburns as one of ours as well. He was close at one time, maybe he’ll regain a little humility and change back. I’m hoping because he’s such a great motivator and speaker, he’d be a great asset for the Liberty Movement.
  
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Individualism
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:28pm
He and Obama have voted together on so many things to make them generally close to each other. Gary Johnson is just the best person to vote for, for the best results. Also a person is not worth voting for if they were put through by rigging, fraud and has committed a felony like passing out subs for votes. for those who say its another vote for Obama well atleast he got through his primary without the crap Romney and his folks pulled. its never wise to vote for someone like that.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:52pm
  Gary Johnson was governor of a left leaning state…But unlike Mitt Romney, Gary Johnson was able to get his agenda through while having the courage to veto all the liberal bills. Johnson was so good at governing that state, he won re-election and continued to blaze a small government trail.
  
  The contrast between Gary Johnson and Mitt Romney is stark
  
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- LakeHartwellSailor
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:53pm
  @Individualism –
  
  Man, try again in 2016, because any vote not cast to Mitt is a vote for Obama….and if Obama wins, I don’t want to hear any Paulbots complaining. Keep your eye on the prize, and the prize is an Obama exit. It may not be the whole proverbial Enchilada that you want; but it certainly will be better then what is in office now.
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:01pm
  Obama and Romney are nothing alike. Obama doesn’t give a crap about the US Constitution. Romney supports it. You’ve been deceived by the propoganda. Your vote for Johnson may help you sleep a couple of nights until you begin to feel the screwing that Obama plans on giving America during a term in which he has nothing to lose. Then, may your vote and common sense (or lack there of) haunt you.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:52pm
  @LakeHart….
  
  Likewise, when Obama wins, I don’t want to hear any grumping from the Romney-ites.
  
  After all, he was YOUR candidate. If he can’t convince enough people to vote FOR him, then why should anyone, YOU ESPECIALLY, complain?
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:54pm
  @Mc…
  
  Please square for me:
  
  Supports NDAA, TARP, GM Bailouts, USA PATRIOT Act.
  
  And this:
  
  Supports the Constitution.
  
  Ready? Set?! GO!!!
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:22pm
  LAKEHART, do not worry……the Paulbots are sitting out the election. Well, except for the fake ones here that are 0bama supporters. No doubt 0bama will win….but it won’t be due to the Paulbots. Something worse than Paulbots are in our future.
  
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Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:24pm
Our fathers fought against communism -
WE elect one to be our President.

Its time to GET THAT GUY OUT OF OFFICE and THEN deal with the rest of the story.
NOT BEFORE!!!

Stop nit picking and FOCUS people

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- ashestoashes
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:45pm
  I did not vote for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:08pm
  Well put. Socialism and Communism exist and are real threats to our nation. Poeple think these issues are long gone, but they are staring us in the face.
  
  You can forget your freedom of speech when government controls it. You can forget your freedom of religion when government forbids it. You can forget your guns when government all but confiscates them from you. Capitalism, not socialism and communism, guarantee our freedoms.
  
  Choose ye this day:
  
  Obama – Socialism
  Romney – Capitalism
  
  It’s that black and white.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:57pm
  RomneyCare – Socialism.
  
  TARP, NDAA, USA PATRIOT Act – Fascism.
  
  Hmm… not seeing “capitalism” in there anywhere, to any significant degree.
  
  Remember, “Washington is where the money is.”
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:10pm
  @norm
  They all put their heads back in the dirt.
  
  I guess Gary Johnson this year for me.
  I can’t believe the GOP has gone this route….
  
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jsciai
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:22pm
I’ve been saying RP will endorse Romney/Ryan before it is all over. Maybe yes, maybe no. But I appreciate Ryan extending the olive branch to those who can recognize the incredible importance of getting obama out of the WH. I can appreciate those who are more libertarian in their political beliefs, I feel I am as well, but we have GOT to get obama out and our best hope is through the Romney/Ryan ticket. I hope lots of libertarian folks join in even thought there will be many who vow not to.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:29pm
  yes – you have been saying that – and you have been completely wrong
  
  The ONLY chance it would have happend is for Ron Paul to get a prime speaking slot, but since he has given up on that – there is NOTHING the GOP can offer Ron Paul to make him do it.
  
  The only question is whether Ron Paul will do the right thing and endorse Gary Johnson
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:39pm
  That was no olive branch. That was Ryan saying, “hey guys, Obama sucks so vote for me? kthx”
  
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ExTex
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:15pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…

Just like Ryan said, we get why you love RP so much…fiscal hawk, watchdog of liberty and the constitution, small government and low taxes advocate…we get it! We’re all about those same things. We tend to differ on foreign policy, social policy and military policy. But, for all intents and purposes, I think that we have more common ground than you do with the current Democratic Party. And certainly on the more important/urgent issues at hand. For that reason, given your unwavering principled stances on these topics, I think you should seriously consider voting for Romney/Ryan in November instead of standing on principle which will achieve nothing but possibly put Obama back in office. If you really care about the deficit, national debt, and future of our country, you should put pride behind duty and get this ship heading back in the right direction.

Your fight was in the primaries and you lost. You had to make your case and you failed. Not that your cause isn’t just, but that you simply haven’t articulated your message in a way that resonates with the public at large. Attacking those you disagree with is not the way to attract people to your way of thinking. It may take some time. Now is not the time to fall on your sword for a cause that can be fought another day. Please consider the bigger picture here. This election is too critical for us all.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:20pm
  republicans dont own our vote. If you want us to vote for a republican – you would be better off nominating a tea party candidate. Tea party candidates are a good compromise
  
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- IsThereADifference
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:28pm
  My fight is against progressivism. Your men Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are BOTH progressives. They are Big Government. They are both bailout kings who voted for TARP. They both supported and Ryan voted for CISPA and NDAA. They are CRAP CANDIDATES for a country that is losing it’s liberties at light speed.
  
  These men are PROGRESSIVES!!! Go sell crazy someplace else!
  
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- jsciai
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:31pm
  extex,
  I agree with your comments with the exception of one thing, and that is that RP’s supporters did not lose the primary, RP did. I minor distinction, I know, but it’s important to understand that they voted their conscience in the primary, just as everyone did, and RP came up short. Romney got over 9.8m votes to RP’s 2m+. Those are hard numbers that cannot be ignored by anyone who accepts the primary process.
  
  Some can cry foul all they want to, but such a difference in actual voters is dramatic. I would hope we can count on our more conservative friends to oust obama. That is the overiding goal.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:36pm
  Barry OWNS the chin stuck in the air, Rue Paul vote.
  
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- Dcjones
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:40pm
  You gave a well thought out statement so I will respond clearly why you are wrong.
  
  First off. Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. His proposed spending cuts are way to mild and will probably compromise.
  
  Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.
  
  Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?
  
  I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.
  
  But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:42pm
  That would depend..which Romney are we talking about?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
  That Romney..the one who is financed by the same Sharia Compliant Banks that finance Obama?
  I’ll google to see if hell has frozen over..I’ll get back to you..
  
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- ExTex
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:53pm
  Again, you’re fighting the last battle. I’m no more a fan of Romney than you, but he’s the guy that won….and he’s the only only chance of turning this thing around….THIS ELECTION!!!! You’re NOT gonna get the perfect candidate. You’re NOT gonna accomplish anything writing in GJ or anyone else. You’re only damaging America by foolish pride. So what, you didn’t get what you wanted, so now your gonna throw a little temper tantrum and throw away a vote to make a point? Really?
  
  Let me ask you something….if you were on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean, and the only way to survive was catching a ride on another boat with someone you hated…would you go down with the ship on “principle” just to make a point?
  
  I simply can’t understand how you people cannot see what’s at stake here. Talk about foolish pride!!!
  
  So you all (libertarians) would rather see the entire country go under for some principle that you could fight for another day, than to compromise? Idiocy. What makes you think you’ll have the liberty to fight your fight beyond this election? You clearly don’t get it!
  
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- stopspendingourmoney
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:38pm
  DCJONES, I would rather Romney be in. I trust him more than I do obama. I think if obama was in another four years I think he may come after the tea party people/Vets/truthers I think he already has to an extent. He is too much of a commie.http://www.fox19.com/story/19346944/reality-check-us-marine-held-in-a-mental-hospital-against-his-will-even-though-he-has-committed-no-crime
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:43pm
  If I voted for Obama it would be out of spite, if I voted for Romney it would be out of fear, if I voted for Johnson it would be cause we share the same last name and be an eff you to you all you crazies :) Love ya mean it. This will change nothing and I suggest edumacating yourself on the paradox of state power called the electoral college. It’s fun.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:00pm
  Might have been nicer, and more persuasive, if your guys had followed their own rules during the primaries and in the run-up to the convention.
  
  You know, where you guys were cheating and beating the Paul delegates, breaking fingers and dislocating hips, and such?
  
  Nah. We may have some common philosophical ground with you, but we are more interested in following the Rule of Law than you guys seem to be.
  
  This is a divorce, folks.
  
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- jsciai
  Posted on August 28, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Extex,
  Great post! I’ve been looking for a way to express my feelings on this issue with conservatives/libertarians and you hit it spot on. I would add, however, that I think there will be MANY libertarians voting for Romney/Ryan because they do see the importance of this election. Those few who post so vehemently on the Blaze may make it look like the group will protest vote in block, but I’m not so sure. Every day the gulf between the liberals and conservatives grows wider and I think there will be a gathering around Romney before it is over. Just look at the evangelicals that were so strongly against Romney but who are now supporting him.
  
  Also, I truly believe we are going to see Romney govern from a strongly conservative fiduciarly side. His pick of Ryan for VP supports my opinion on that. This will include social spending as well as other government spending. I think most conservatives and libertarians will be pleased he is preseident over obama.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:10pm
“Ryan told Bret Baier that Ron Paul supporters should feel “comfortable” with the Republican ticket, adding that Obama is only offering a “cradle-to-grave welfare state.’ ”

There are many instances in this short article that show how Paul Ryan does not understand the current situation. The choice for us is not Romney or Obama. The choice is Romney versus 3rd party (Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode) or not voting at all….

In his heart, Paul Ryan knows this but he would rather continue with the ignorant politics – just in case there are republicans who dont know there is more to choose from than just Romney

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PointBreak
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:08pm
This RINOmney/Ryan ticket is a real winner based on all the bumper stickers I see supporting them – oh, wait that’s right – I’ve never seen one. Seriously in America’s greatest moment of peril the vote comes down to two teams that literally no one likes. Way to go GOP. You managed to blow a total cakewalk by running a liberal democrat mormon loon as a republican. Thanks for nothing.

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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pm
Hey, at least there is a “Paul” on the ticket; that should count for something, right?

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:11pm
  do you think we are nepotists? insulting
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:16pm
  just a joke SOY…Come on, laugh a little. {:
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:21pm
  i read the posts on this site – nothing people say about Ron Paul supporters would surprise me
  
  i’m not used to seeing that from you
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:26pm
  You know, Rand is voting for Romney. Does that do anything for you Ron supporters? I would think so.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:31pm
  no, we are not robots….again, insulting
  
  I dont think you understand the principles of individualism. We are not like typical republicans that can be rounded up and force-fed crap sandwiches at the voting booth
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:51pm
  SOY, you can replace the word ‘individualism’ with ‘selfish’ in you post…Time to team up. We’ll sort out specifics after we win the general election. I get your grievances, but you have got to understand what is at stake. This isn’t our parents’ election process. We either salvage what’s left of our freedom and liberty or we chuck it for ‘individualism’…Which is really tyranny from the extreme, evil left.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:57pm
  give me freedom or give me collapse.
  
  Better to sort this out now – i dont want my kids to grow up and live through tyranny
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:03pm
  @Soy:
  
  Well said.
  
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- cous1933
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:50pm
  Well said Soy. They don’t get it and I doubt they ever will. When it comes to liberty and the principles of the Founding Fathers, you are the Remnant.
  
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Economist
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:57pm
HaHaHaHa. Funny, Paul Ryan didn’t you vote for the stimulus bill?? Yes you did. Sorry you can not talk “sound money” and “free markets” 2 months before the election and expect us to think you are now not a socalist just to get the Paul votes.

No not falling for that one. Pigs will fly before the Republican party embraces sound money.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Don’t you mean Donkey’s and Rue Paul Asses.
  
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:56pm
“We see eye to eye on a lot of issues. We believe in sound money. We believe in economic freedom. We believe in the founding principles,” Ryan said.

TARP, Bailouts, Stimulus, Medicare expansion, deficits for a generation….Sound money? Economic freedom?

NDAA, Patriot Act, Gun Control, Government Healthcare….founding principles?

Evidently we agree on legalized drugs, because he must be smoking something if he believe this bunk.

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- vox_populi
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:58pm
  What he means is that you see eye-to-eye on a lot of useful rhetoric. Policies? Not so much.
  
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- IsThereADifference
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:19pm
  Exactly! This country and it’s beloved freedoms will not live much longer. Our country as we knew it is gone. Especially when Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are the only hope for saving it.
  
  The people voting party line Republican ticket are totally clueless to the facts you just stated about the NDAA CISPA and TARP. They will gripe and complain about these very issues and then turn right around and start promoting the very people who made these laws possible. I never knew the American population was stuffed so full of stupid/ignorant people.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:18pm
  VOXOBAMA: Divide the Dumb Conservatives rhetoric.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:52pm
  It’s amazing that these guys are making the claims of saving America.
  There really is no lesser evil in this or the last election. My second time to vote and this is my future.
  The GOP is blinded by “jobs”. Nevermind the foreign wars or the Constitution.
  I guess I will be one vote for Johnson.
  
  @barber
  Read NDAA, the creature from Jekyll island, and some history (especially the past century of the middle east).
  
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- justangry
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 7:24pm
  Rothbard, No doubt, it’s insulting that he even thinks he can pull this **** on us and not get called on it. How can he vote for any of these things and say we see eye to eye on anything, let alone “a lot”?
  
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- libertarianmom
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 8:45pm
  You be just a big ‘ole pile of awesome, Rothbardian_in_the_cleve!
  
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- cous1933
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 10:32pm
  Outstanding post Rothbardian. They have no answer.
  
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Wildblue3
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:54pm
And who would you rather vote for? Romney or Obama?

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- Somethingfunny
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Romney or Obama, both are just progressives. But if had to choose I would go for the greater evil and vote Obama. I would rather see destruction, so we can start rebuilding sooner then later…
  
  If you Romenybots don’t like it. Then maybe you dips should have nominated someone who wasn’t a progressive!!
  
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- frust@ted
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pm
  This is an unfair argument because I could turn it around and use the same argument on you.
  
  Who would you rather have for presidedn Gary Johnson or Obama?
  
  Your next argument will be you are throwing your vote away. I’d argue that you have given your vote away to politicians that never do what they say they will do.
  
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- RightUnite
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:14pm
  @SOMETHINGFUNNY….. Idiot… There will be nothing to rebuild you fool!
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pm
  the person with a base of support and the person who got through to primary without rigging, committing felonies and breaking rules.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:06pm
  SOMETHINGNOTFUNNY: You sound like one of those ” Let’s Have A Revolution” dudes . Way too messy a solution.
  
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- Somethingfunny
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:39pm
  @RIGHTUNITE, that only depends on what happens.
  
  @BARBER2, All I said was destruction. You’re the one that’s jumping to war. I actually believe, the continual destruction of the dollar well wake people up, and cause more people to get involve politically.
  
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PorkPIG
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:54pm
Sure and what about the NDAA Mr. Ryan ? No thank you , I’ll vote for Garry Johnson .

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:01pm
  Four More Years,
  
  Four More Years
  
  Four More Years.
  
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- bleuze
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Do you really think he has a chance or do you really want to throw your vote away for Obama?
  
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- TRONINTHEMORNING
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Wasted vote.
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pm
  I plan on working the polls as “democrats for GJ” so I’ll take many votes for the anointed one with me .
  Just for reference , i was registered libertarian unitl last year when i switched to repub. to vote for Dr. Paul in the Primaries .
  
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- RightUnite
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pm
  Ah, no… You’re voting for Obama… Fool….
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:13pm
  You guys and this wasted vote crap , makes me laugh . If i was voting for the obamma then i would vote the obamma. The country is going under no matter what , there is no way to dig our way outa this money crisis , we are in a economic collaspe and if you think voting for puppet one or puppet 2 will fix things then double dumb a-ss on u . LOL!!!!!!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:14pm
  There is no such thing as a wasted vote…what kind of country is this? The republicans and democrats made the election laws, and now republicans are going to bitch and complain about them?
  
  If there was ever such a thing as a wasted vote – it was JOHN MCCAIN. All you people who voted for John McCain wasted your vote and should have voted for Pastor Chuck Baldwin. If you had done that, i guarantee we would not have Mitt Romney as the nominee today. jerks
  
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- riseandshine
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:26pm
  PorkPig…..puppet 1 and puppet 2 is right….Though I won’t be voting for either puppet…I DO feel better about puppet Romney than puppet Obama.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:32pm
  Romney is not an option, he is a felon, he got through by rigging and breaking delegate rules. a criminal is not an option. Obama sucks but atleast he got through allot more ethically and the unethical person is always a nightmare like Nathan Deal in Georgia right now.
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pm
  no vote is wasted , when i working the poll for Paul Delegates in the Primary’s , I made sure to thank everyone for voting 1st because its your freedom to vote your choice . I turned some nasty faced liberals into some friendly chatty ppl that were more receptive to my message . My vote is not wasted , just as your is not wasted either . You guys need to get rid of this its my way or nothing , you sound just like the ppl you are so against . The biggest reason I dont like liberals is they Always know whats best for everyone and there opinion is actually Fact (according to them anyways) .
  
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The-Monk
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:52pm
Oh Lord….. here we go!

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:59pm
  This should be very interesting. All the screws and nuts will be slinging crap.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:04pm
  They are a passionate group…..I’ll give them that.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:16pm
  Hey monk i found a great song yesterday. If you want to better understand where we are coming from, listen to this….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZldWmmDTY&feature=related
  
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- DEFCON4
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:17pm
  It’s the 2012 version of the : ‘Hatfields and McCoys ” flinging Political Mud !
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:23pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  Thanks for the song.
  
  Not much of a turn out today. Only about 200. One Black Bloc arrested for not taking off his mask. Glad to see them (trying to) enforcing the no masks in public law. We had a big rain storm come through about 4:15 and it just stopped a few minutes ago.
  
  And thanks for posting that full video of the Dr. Paul event from yesterday on another story here.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:33pm
  lol….what is with masks anyways. i guess tomorrow is the big day – with the official nomination and all. I’ll be traveling so I wont be able to catch it
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:33pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  People who plan to do bad things (or already have) wear masks to hide their identity.
  
  I have a job interview tomorrow in Clearwater so I’ll try to head downtown after that.
  
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copatriots
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:51pm
The GOP loves ya, Ron Paul fans, they really do love you!

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- TROLLMONGER
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Not if you read all of the comments from the far right Beckbots. And the libertarians cant stand the right wingers.
  
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- PorkPIG
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:19pm
  Yup thats why we have been in court in Philthadelphia for the last two week defending petition challenges from the Republicans , they sure do luv us real conservatives .
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:22pm
  @copatriots
  About half of the republican voters do but 95% of the GOP party hates our guts….They also hate the Tea Party for the same reasons
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:43pm
  Hmmm…….so you can’t stand any right wingers. Very cooperative, MONGER. You know….you don’t actually garner support to your cause by being antagonistic. You might want to study how the Rounders garnered the support that they did. It surely took more than a small percentage to found this country and it is going to take a whole lot more support than you have to save it.
  
  Bees….honey.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:48pm
  Sorry, SOY, you don’t have half of the GOP voters. We appreciate what you have learned and your passion but question your patriotism……especially when many have professed they would rather have 0bama win since the country is “too stupid” to vote for RP.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:56pm
  Heehee!! I did love the movie Rounders and am still pffed Holder shutdown online poker. But, I actually meant Founders. LOL
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:58pm
  no – i was saying about half of the republican voters ‘love’ us (IF that)
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 5:58pm
  in response to your original
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:00pm
  The party of war hates anti war or self defense war people.
  
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on August 27, 2012 at 4:50pm
Oh no we dont. Keep dreamin’ bub!!!!

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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on August 27, 2012 at 6:54pm
  If for no other reason …
  YOU BEING A PAULBOT.
  Would be the only reason I need.
  NOT to vote for that birdbrain..!
  
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