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NC Gov. Bev Perdue: Abortion Ban Would Mean a Return to ‘Coat Hangers in the Bathtub’ & ‘You’ll See Women Die’

Sep. 4, 2012 12:03pm Erica Ritz

North Carolina Bev Perdue: Abortion Ban Means Coat Hangers in the Bathtub, Women Will Die | Hardball with Chris Matthews

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North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue (D) made a number of shocking claims on “Hardball” with Chris Matthews Monday, broadcasting from Charlotte for the Democratic National Convention.

The panel was discussing social issues when Perdue said of conservatives: “May I make a point? I’ve never seen a bunch like this here so against regulation, Chris. They want less, less, less. And then it comes to a woman in the bedroom and they want to control everything. I don’t get that.”

She did not note that a Democrat administration has taken over a significant percentage of the American health care system.

When Chris Matthews asked Perdue to elaborate, she said that a ban on abortions will only drive the practice underground, bringing back the deadly days of “coat hangers in the bathtub.”

“You’ll see women die,” she asserted.

Watch the video below, via the Daily Caller:

Perdue added that Republicans are trying to “ram through” an end to Roe v. Wade, saying it is the “end game” in every state in America and “right out of Karl Rove’s playbook.”

The governor concluded, referencing widely-denounced Todd Akin: “People have got to stand up– women [who are] standing– it might be their daughter or their granddaughter who is raped, and there’s no such thing as ‘legitimate rape.’ A rape is a rape, and that young woman should have a choice about what to do with her body and her life.”

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COFemale
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:39pm
So who is defending the innocent child who may be a product of rape? Why is the child an insignificant human being to these women? Yes, the rape itself was a violent act and the woman keeping the child could be a constant reminder, but the child is INNOCENT in all this. Why do they not have rights? Only selfish women abort their babies.

Have you noticed Democrats find any and every excuse for woman to abort a child? That is disgusting to me.

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- right-wing-waco
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:53pm
  If it is mostly democrat women that have abortions (??) then maybe they will be a dying party!
  
  Just thinking.
  
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- landman1
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:44pm
  Again this fascination with killing one’s offspring. I don’t get the liberal mindset. Their most vehemently discussed and defended issues are abortion and same sex marriage. The whole country is going to hell in a hand basket financially and every single one of them is screaming about killing their own children and letting queers take over everything like that makes a difference.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:03pm
  Its not a child until birth.
  
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- JRook
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:10pm
  “referencing widely-denounced Todd Akin” this is a lie as numerous right wing individuals who wanted to gain some attention such as Huckabee supported Akin. And the personhood bills that are appearing, including the one put forth by Ryan is goes beyond abortion to limit a woman’s CHOICE regarding birth control options. It’s not a question of if the baby is innocent or not, it is whether the woman choose to get pregnant, which in the case of rape she did not, and second her CHOICE to undo an unwanted pregnancy. So your position is that a woman who doesn’t want to recognize and have the baby of a man who raped her is selfish. Perhaps people who seek to utilize the state to impose their views on others and infringe on the liberty, freedom and civil rights of others are just a tad selfish. Let’s keep in mind your beliefs, faith and civil rights end at the tip of my nose, as that’s where mine begin.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:39pm
  @ENCINOIDIOT
  Then, I wonder what that is kicking around in there, before it is born? Why people have “baby showers,” what is a doctor checking on before it is born? Dumba$$, it’s a child, developing and growing the whole 9 months.
  
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- wvgirl
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:01pm
  Again: Abortion is simply one of the trojan horse issues used to usher in the platform of the New World Order. Unsuspecting and gullible women are simply the TOOLS in said agenda. One world government, control the food supply, control communications, control coal, oil, gas industry, banks, auto industry, control speech, control the military, control the people, CONTROL POPULATION GROWTH. ZERO POPULATION GROWTH IS ONE OF THE PLATFORMS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. ABORTION, AS A “WOMEN’S RIGHTS” ISSUE, IS NOTHING MORE THAN A MEANS TO AN END FOR THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE USHERING IN SOCIALISM/MARXISM/COMMUNISM. Please women, wake up and stop being used as pawns in a game that is more evil than you can imagine.
  
  The answer:
  http://kirkcameron.com/2012/08/33-minute…
  
  This is not simply a run-of -the-mill holocaust/abortion film. It is the most powerful 33 minutes of truth that I have ever seen. Please watch and share.
  
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- woodyl1011fl
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:25pm
  The murder of and the shedding of the blood of innocent children is only acceptable to democrats and their wicked evil embracing party. This democrat convention is shake your fist at and spit in the face of the Almighty Creator God, Jesus Christ His only begotten Son and his Covenant people and Land. The pathological lying, deceiving, corrupt, irrational democrat party are showing the nation who they truly are they must think that their election corrupting vote manipulating and manufacturing machinery are so powerful under Obama that they will win this election hands down. Obama has already promised Putin that he will be able to do his bidding after he is reelected and has now turned America’s official policy openly against Israel and support for Israel’s enemies and ours as well as western civilization. The so called democrat and independent voters must be the ignorant, foolish, uninformed people in history. apparently liberty, freedom and constitutional limited government is not what want for their children or grandchildren; totalitarianism and slavery is their preferred systems for living their lives.
  
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- MRMADMAN
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 6:35pm
  I’m Pro-Choice. I believe women should have the right to choose the coat hanger or pregnancy. Actually good luck finding a wire hanger anymore, they’re all plastic now.
  
  Now that I think about it the Democratic Platform should read something like….”We do not believe people should have to live with the consequences of there actions.”
  
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- Pontiac
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 11:41pm
  No encinom, it’s not a child until higher neurological functions begin developing. 25 weeks is definitely the cut off for abortion. Both pro-life and pro-choice positions are extreme.
  
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teddrunk
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:38pm
What if women simply put their knees together?

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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:44pm
  like in Iran? maybe you Christians should put your women in Burkas. that should do the trick, right?
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:52pm
  @PHILLY
  
  I’d rather put you in a burka a drop you off in Afghanistan. I hear they like stoning atheists more than stoning Christians. Your bigotted hatred of Christianity is only outdone by your ignorance of it.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:07pm
  SQUID – former Christian here. i know all about it. and i don’t hate it, i just hate some of it’s followers. mainly when they’re not acting Christian.
  
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- teddrunk
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:21pm
  Philly, no the Afghans are a DNC ally. You DEMS love Muslims. You hate Israel, remember? Heck, you elected a 13 year old girl stoning Muslim for President.
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:24pm
  That’s what I say. Abortions come mostly as a result of heavy drinking parties, not from rape.
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 2:31am
  I don’t think it’s possible to stop being Christian unless you weren’t one to begin with. And basing your relationship with Christ on what other people do means you missed the mark somewhere. The constant struggle is with that person in the mirror, not your corrupt neighbor.
  
  As far as this seeing women die argument- we already are. Whether it be by suicide or lack of competence in the “physician” the woman has death surrounding this decision. So is the death of a child worth dying over to begin with? I think that’s sick.
  
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michael from Ga.
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:30pm
The conversation should be How do seperate Socialism and Abortions. One million borrowed dollars, per day to Planned Parenthood must be stopped. This is Not a right, or in the U.S.Constitution. To all of the Progressives, your 16, and twelve 0 bill is waiting.

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- just the facts
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:36pm
  Agreed. Cut off the funding, abortions will go down.
  
  ***I was wondering how long it was before some idiot made that coat hanger remark.
  These people are such loosers.
  
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right-wing-waco
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:30pm
Are the dems going to start the scare tactics again? They use this excuse every time there is an abortion discussion. How about teaching how NOT to get pregnant in the first place.

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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:34pm
  ” How about teaching how NOT to get pregnant in the first place.”
  
  like abstinence only sex education? hand holding leading a gateway sexual practice? seems Conservatives are either prudes or just uncomfortable with sex. or is it that sex should only be for procreation?
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:49pm
  Philly just another idiotic liberal making idiotic assumptions. With sex comes personal responsibility. I know this is a hard concept for you idiots to comprehend, but it can be done.
  
  All forms must be utilized, but 1st and foremost – personal responsibility. If you can’t afford to have a child, take birth control, use condoms or abstain. In the case of rape, many women are on some type of birth control, those who are not account for the 3% that get pregnant from rape. Why were they not on birth control; were they drug addicts or due to religious beliefs. I don’t know.
  
  Women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy with no means to care for the child have no one to blame but themselves. So they decide killing the child is there only option. Murder is murder, just as rape is rape.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:55pm
  @COFEMAIL
  
  He’s just mad because he’s can’t get laid. So he rails on those of us who can. His ignorance is on display again because he has no clue on the Biblical teaching on sex and how it is meant for the pleasure of married people along with pro-creation.
  
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- TEIN
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:59pm
  @Philly…this is where progressives misuse logic…intercourse between man and woman, by nature design or Gods design is to produce offspring…..you know what the action brings about, therefore comes the responsibility of that action, not saying there are not some added benefits from sex like a closeness and bonding to a partner, but that goes along with responsibility of the act…if you are too young, too emotionally immature, or if you do not want the responsibility for the outcome of the choice..then DON”T DO IT!!! It is that simple, and please to not down play that teens can’t control….People have lived under the premise of responsibility in more generations than the few decades of “free love” the USA has endured…
  
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- just the facts
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:00pm
  So true right wing. However, in order to do so…..
  - one must establish right from wrong
  - one must be selfless
  - one must understand some form of morals
  - one needs to have perspective in life
  - one needs to have dicipline
  
  As a country, we need to put back the Bible in our schools.
  As a country, we need to re-establish the constitution
  As a country, we need to understand the corelation between the two
  We need to get our act together and step back to jump forward
  
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- StripedRed
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 4:58pm
  @Cofemale, I would love to hear where you get your facts and numbers from! “In the case of rape, many women are on some type of birth control, those who are not account for the 3% that get pregnant from rape.” It seems like a pretty convincing argument, but without a source who can you expect to convince of your views?
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:30pm
her words as usual are scare tactics and lies.
Remember, she is one of the obummer’s chosen 10 governors.
she is anti-AMERICAN.
she is not a CHRISTIAN.

Will you BLAZERS join me in prayer binding of the spirits from hell loosed in Charlotte and in the convention center? Might not hurt to put some prayers out binding teleprompters as well.

PRAYING ON, AMERICA!
II Chronicles 7:14

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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:57pm
  How about that photo of Bev? The obvious facelift(s) make her look like F. Murray Abraham’s character in that Star Trek movie where the aliens had to undergo daily face-stretching procedures so their skin wouldn’t slide off.
  
  Governor Perdue, with all due respect (none), how’s about you undo the safety pins behind your neck and let’s see what you are trying so desperately to hide. Between the excessive make-up, the stretched skin, and the mini-fangs, I think your true identity as a bloodsucker is showing.
  
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- just the facts
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:04pm
  Sure will!!
  
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- football lady
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 9:57pm
  She continues to be an embarrassment to NC. One and done! That’s the good news.
  
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hope4change
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:30pm
Are you saying someone has to die? The thing is, the women have a choice. The babies don’t.

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JeanetteVictoria
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:29pm
Perdue is lying like most democrats Dr. Mary Calderone pointed out in a 1960 American Journal of Health article that Dr. Kinsey showed in 1958 that 84% to 87% of all illegal abortions were performed by licensed physicians in good standing. Dr. Calderone herself concluded that “90% of all illegal abortions are presently done by physicians.”

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:28pm
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N.C. Gov. Beverly Perdue, you look and act like the crazy madman “The Joker” from Batman.

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- michael48
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:32pm
  another member of planet piglosi…incoherant rants, equally qualified jerks…
  
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TADTAD
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:28pm
Damnation. All these years I’ve taken personal responsibility for my actions. When will I ever learn that it’s “not my fault.?”

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:27pm
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North Carolina Gov. Beverly Perdue, you don’t give a crap about the millions of babies being murdered through abortions. I can see why you are such an unpopular Governor. So unpopular, that you aren’t even seeking a second term.

N.C. Gov. Beverly Perdue, abortions are legal and many women are still dying from the procedure, and it’s always fatal for the aborted baby.

Maybe if pregnant women had to choose between an alley abortion with a coat hanger or having the baby and adopting him or her out to a nice family, just maybe the pregnant women would choose to carry the baby nine months. We can only hope.

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watersRpeople
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:25pm
Then to make matters worse in the U.S, if a woman decides to get an abortion, then possibly having children down the road in time. Her uterus is semi-damaged maybe leading to several miscarriages, and then she’ll be more so seeking sympathy for the miscarriages out of guilt for the abortion she had previously, because a guilty soul is upon her. Then if she has children of her own, she will be far too much of an impressing parent, over-bearing on the children leading them astray with her over-manipulating rule over them. America is such a twisted nation.

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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:22pm
I wonder if she has ever thought that a ban on “doesn’t matter what for” abortion, might make people be a bit more thoughtfull about what they do? It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that ‘whatever” abortion turned woman into more of sex objects than anything else could have done? If it doesn’t matter and you can just get rid of it, doesn’t that favor men not caring about the woman they have sex with? If woman truely want respect, does flushing a baby away give them respect? As an observation, men will take what is offered with no strings attached (not all) and go on with their lives. Where does this leave woman, since they are the ones who have to make the decision and live with it? Has abortion been a good thing for them? It would seem to me it has put them in a second class to men, and they do not really get it. If their wombs are destroyed by an abortion, and it happens more than they say, and infertility goes up with haveing abortions, while men go on their merry way, who does abortion help? Men, or women?

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jesusletsmespeed
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:21pm
No. People would likely act more responsibly when it comes to family planning. In other words, they would take the necessary precautions, and if they found themselves to be pregnant, they’d carry the baby to term. We can’t keep enabling irresponsibility in this country. Yeah, I’m mean. But, I make some stupid decisions. And, I live with the outcome.

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- Marine25
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:36pm
  Here is what an Abortion Ban would really mean: 1. about one-third of all women currently voting Republican would have no reason to do so as surveys have shown 30% of an already abyssmal total of women voting GOP do so solely on the choice issue. 2. The movement to REINSTATE Roe would energize every aspect of Democratic fundraising and recruitment.
  
  A ban on all abortions might satisfy the base, but it is absolute suicide for the GOP, and Republicans will NEER let it happen.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:57pm
  Marine 25 – HUH?
  
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bdandsl
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:19pm
I guess, with liberals, it boils down to some one has to die. Either the woman having to deal with the consequences of her actions or the innocent baby. A liberal demands it be the baby that dies because they do not believe in self-responsibility. A conservative says – no one has to die, adoption.

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- TheEDGE
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:32pm
  The modern progressive female would find it easier to kill a kid with a coat hanger than to just keep her legs closed. Sophisticated.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Liberals opt for the baby to die because they need a vote NOW, not a MAYBE in 18 years. Babies can’t vote, which is why libs say the hell with ‘em. It’s why none are allowed at the DNC in Charlotte. If they thought they could squeeze a vote out of a baby’s diaper, there would be a Dirty Diaper Bin right next to the Compost Bin in Charlotte, and every mother from sea to shining sea would be told that it was their duty as a female to bring their infants to Charlotte. Also, disposable diapers would be a right guaranteed at taxpayer expense.
  
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JeanetteVictoria
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:19pm
Except the meme of back alley abortion and coat hanger abortions is a lie a scientific study published in a peer-review journal has scientifically disproven both assertions. http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/a_ground_breaking_abortion_study_from_chile

these assertions have been from day one based on fabrications generated by the abortion industry. As Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL, admitted:

We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law.

“Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1500% since legalization.

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watersRpeople
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:17pm
It’s a wonderful system we have in this country. A female has the choice whether or not they get an abortion, but the U.S taxpayer is forced to help cover the expense, and if they choose not to get an abortion then the taxpayer still has to pay for food-stamps and welfare. What a country!

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:27pm
  I guess that explains why there was a Russian Nuclear submarine in the Gulf of Mexico for a month, and why now Iran is talking about putting warships off the coast of the U.S in a couple years.
  
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copatriots
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:17pm
Oh for the love of Pete…..

There is absolutely NO REASON for anyone to find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy in this day and age. Could these people please learn personal responsibility?

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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:24pm
  Uh, that would require some effort as well as restraint, 2 things any card-carrying liberal lacks.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:41pm
  i’ve had several friends get abortions for WANTED pregnancies. there were medical issues with the fetus. should they have been forced to carry to term? what about the medical expenses that go along with having a special needs kid? what if they couldn’t afford it? please respond, this i’d like to know.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:56pm
  So philly any child less than perfect in your book should be murdered. Got it.
  
  So philly since we are all not perfect period, by your own definition your parents should have aborted you.
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:06pm
  Philly there is always adoption. Some families out there do not see a less than perfect child as a burden. It is too bad your so called friends were so SELFISH that they put their needs ahead of an INNOCENT child. Doctors have been known to be WRONG. Case in point.
  
  Tammy foster child of my former husband’s parents was born with severe brain damage; her crackhead mother took cocaine. Doctors said Tammy would never learn and never walk. Steve’s parents would not accept this; they created a special device for Tammy to use to build up leg strength, which allowed her to semi-walk. They taught her colors, they taught her to count. She went to school. Tammy cried and Tammy laughed. Yes Tammy needed lifetime care by someone else, but she in no way deserved to die because she did not meet someone’s definition of perfect.
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:06pm
  @CoFemale, heh heh heh…..
  
  @PhillyAtheist, believe it or not, there are people out there ready and willing to adopt special needs children. If your buddies can’t bear the financial expense, there are folks out there who would jump at the chance to raise those children themselves. Yes, there are compassionate people who would dare do such a thing.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:10pm
  COFFE and BIO – thanks for your response. i’m curious, then, if there really are that many people who will adopt a special needs child. on the face of it it seems somewhat less likely, but i’ve never seen any information about this.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:21pm
  I thought of cases of rape as soon as I posted my comment. That would be about the only somewhat understandable argument…..even though I don’t agree that the baby should be murdered in that instance either.
  
  A most sad and disgusting reflection of your views, PHILLY, that a medical condition of the child in the womb would cause your friends to murder the baby they created. Why not also kill special needs children after they are born because of the burden? The fact that you use that argument shows your depravity. May God, who you don’t believe in, have mercy on you.
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:37pm
  @Philly, I personally don’t know how the adoption process works as I have not had to go through it, but friends of mine have said that it can take an awful long time, cost thousands of dollars, and there’s no guarantee that the prospective parents will end up with the baby. However, there are couples out there who would love to adopt a child, even one with special needs, to love as their own. I don’t know why this type of adoption isn’t talked about more often, but those special people definitely exist.
  
  Any fertile individual can be a chromosome donor. Not everyone can be a parent.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:59pm
  “A most sad and disgusting reflection of your views, PHILLY, that a medical condition of the child in the womb would cause your friends to murder the baby they created. Why not also kill special needs children after they are born because of the burden?”
  
  the difference is choice. if someone chooses to carry it to term, then that’s their choice. your comparison to already born special needs children fails. someone chose to have them. that doesn’t give you the right to demand someone else do the same. potentially, you would be forcing a couple or single mother into a life of poverty. not everyone is in a position to care for such children. if adoption is available then i curtail my opinion somewhat, but ultimately it’s still a choice that you don’t get to make. it’s up to the woman and her partner. whether you know it or not, you are forcing your religious views on others. i don’t see an unborn fetus as a human being. you do because you believe in a soul. we have different worldviews, but i’m not trying to force mine unto you.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:13pm
  Wow…just wow, PHILLY. It is, indeed, a choice……..to murder an innocent baby. It must make life and murder so much easier for you to consider a baby not a human until the child is born.
  
  Euthanasia won’t be difficult for you to accept. The only problem is……who gets to make the decision that you aren’t worthy of keeping alive any longer because you are a financial burden to society.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:16pm
  And you are wrong, PHILLY, about my belief that the baby has a soul being the reason I believe the baby in the womb is a human. The baby is a human because that is how we procreate humans versus, say……puppies. You can look at an ultra sound and know the baby is, indeed, a baby.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:21pm
  “.to murder an innocent baby.”
  
  again, it is a baby to YOU. the technical term is a fetus. until born it’s part of the mother. it’s your belief in a soul that makes this so wrong in your world. and that’s fine. live your life that way, but don’t expect everyone to get on board. these are personal decision that you don’t get a say in.
  
  “Euthanasia won’t be difficult for you to accept.”
  
  it isn’t, not at all. i fully support it. the only people i know who don’t are religious. i personally am ticked off that i won’t have the option to end my suffering (in the event) because someone else’s relgion thinks it’s wrong.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:27pm
  It is stunning how you justify in your mind murdering a baby while contradicting yourself, PHILLY. You stated that baby is a child(ren) and would possibly “curtail” your opinion is someone else wanted the child. Your objection is a matter of the child being “wanted” and the financial burden of a special needs child versus a perfect child. What is more stunning is that you freely share here those most depraved views! Wow.
  
  “you would be forcing a couple or single mother into a life of poverty. not everyone is in a position to care for such children. if adoption is available then i curtail my opinion somewhat”
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:32pm
  The perversity of the left and godless is on full display here.
  
  Dear Lord, thank You, thank You for my salvation. I pray for PHILLY.
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:38pm
  @Philly, “i don’t see an unborn fetus as a human being.”
  
  You did NOT just say that! Now, it’s time for this momma to get a bit upset….
  
  When I was pregnant this time last year, I had one of many ultrasounds that showed my baby moving his little arms and legs and tumbling around like nobody’s business. When I had my amniocentesis, he accidentally got too close to the needle and he flinched. He felt the sensation of of something foreign in his contained environment. I watched THAT on the ultrasound, too. When I had another 4D ultrasound, you could watch his facial expressions changing as he got sleepy and drifted off for a nap. The picture I saw on that screen was NOT one of an inanimate blob of cells.
  
  THAT WAS MY LIVING BABY BOY.
  
  For you to deny that any unborn child IS NOT A HUMAN BEING is simply evil. Regardless of your stance on religion and God, that “opinion” of yours is denying basic humanity to the most vulnerable among us. A baby is not a tumor or a malignant growth that must be excised from the body. It’s a tiny human being with his or her own DNA. And that CHILD is not a “choice” to be disposed of for convenience’s sake. Adoption is always an option. To deny the child the opportunity to be raised by a loving parent is a very selfish position, indeed.
  
  I need to go hug my children now and tell them again just how much I love each and every one of them.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:48pm
  BIO – glad i could inspire some family love. you can view the unborn any way you see fit. that’s not good enough for you though, is it. everyone needs to play by your rules. i wonder though, if you’re so right, that abortion is murder, then why is it legal? seems someone somewhere decided that you were wrong. i guess it’s not so cut and dried afterall.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:55pm
  How incredibly pathetic, PHILLY. Perhaps you should research exactly how Roe v. Wade came to pass and why many Dems are backing away from championing abortion. Do you happen to be Black, PHILLY? If so, Margaret Sanger had you in mind.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:58pm
  i’m a 38 year old white male. for the record i’ve never been responsible for an abortion.
  
  if you have information that i should know about Roe i’m open to viewing it.
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:14pm
  @Philly, you did not inspire family love. That was there from Day One and it’s been present every single day since, but thanks for your concern.
  
  I’ll pray for you, bless your little heart.
  
  That is all. Go about your day.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:15pm
  Why do you care to assert you haven’t been responsible for an abortion? Is it possible you have a nagging suspicion that it is murder?
  
  Research Margaret Sanger, for starters, if you truly want to understand why Progressives pushed for murdering babies. If you really care to understand the history and how Roe v Wade came to be, you will find much information readily available for your enlightenment.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 4:08pm
  phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:41pm
  i’ve had several friends get abortions for WANTED pregnancies. there were medical issues with the fetus.
  ……..
  
  Several? Really? Where the hell do you live, Chernobyl? Don’t bother answering, because I’m not buying it.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 5:00pm
  Good catch, WOOL-FREE! The thing about atheists is they have no consistent moral standard to live by so lying isn’t exactly a problem for them. Then again, they also support murdering babies so lying must pale by comparison.
  
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OneNextToOne
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:15pm
Because of Roe vs. Wade, approximately 26 million potential women died.

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PATTY HENRY
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:13pm
ISN’T this the same woman who thought “we may have to ‘SUSPEND’ Elections?” Who isn’t running again?

NOW HEAR THIS! ABORTIONS are the LAW of the land. In order to get that law overturned we’d have to go State by State. I abhor abortion. I suspect immature brats are using abortion as birthcontrol, sex selection (I’m speaking of married women or those who pump out unwanted babies so they can get their “stash” from the rest of us…God Bless those kids….but NO ONE, you hysterical dingle nut …NO ONE is saying you can’t have abortions…it’s just DAMNIT, that we are not going to pay for them when it’s against our belief. YOU want contraceptives…go buy them. YOU want abortions, go knock on Planned Parenthood’s door…they are the major abortion mill in the USA…but
stop already with the dramatic coat-hanger in the tub routine…are you speaking from experience?

YOU DEMS would do ANYTHING to take the focus off of your COMMIE (FAILED) PRESIDENT, wouldn’t you???

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:42pm
  Bev did say that about suspending election, 28 September 2011. My thought even back then is she displayed her fear of loosing even more Dem-wit held seats in Congress, and well as more Dem governors across the country. She saw the handwriting on the wall even back then and is not even running this year.
  
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G.E.R
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:13pm
She’s absolutely correct

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- Skippy_John_Jones
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:19pm
  You are so on crack, idiot. But hey, if you liberals keep killing your own children, pretty soon you and yours will render yourselves extinct.
  
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- bdandsl
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:29pm
  More kool-aid?
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:29pm
  Yeah, because conservative women don’t have abortions, right?
  
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- essence428
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:30pm
  Noooo….don’t want them extinct…its too much fun watching them squirm now that they are exposed! We just didn’t understand before Obama what they were doing, but we are wiser now!
  
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- MistyMountainGranny
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:33pm
  Aboslutly correct? Have you read the Republican Platform!? It does not illigalize abortion. They just don’t want public funds to pay for it. While abortion was never an option for me, I held 3 friends hands in support after their abortion choice with NO judgement. But while I will support a womans right to choose, I support even more the right of people who are against abortion to NOT HAVE TO PAY for the abortions of others. So please stop spreading these lies and misinformation. If you dems can’t win this race honestly without the lies of the war on women, what makes you think you can run a country?
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:35pm
  @MARINE25
  
  By definition, conservative women don’t have abortions. Unless, they became conservatives after having abortions like the woman from Roe vs. Wade did.
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:45pm
  The Republican Party platform bans abortion in all cases, even rape, incest and when the life of the mother is endangered. Republicans say “the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.”
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:21pm
  Mitt Romney has verbally stated he believes in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother, that abortion should be allowed. I disagree with his beliefs somewhat, as none of this is cut and dry. In all situations, except the latter, adoption is an option. I have heard some women keeping a child from rape, as they realize the child is totally innocent. In the case of incest, again they can be adopted out. When the life of the mother is at stake that is tough – most women who find themselves in this situation who want a child generally will say “save the baby”. Those who do not want the child, will say “save me”. Husbands, should one be present, generally say “save my wife”. The ultimate decision comes from the woman. There are always other choices. Abortion is not the only answer.
  
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:12pm
It seems like it’s more an issue of taxpayers not wanting to pay taxes used to help cover the cost for abortions than it is an issue of wanting abortions banned. They want nothing to do with abortions, but politicians seem to love the issue of abortions.

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MeteoricLimbo
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:12pm
Oh OK, so its alright to see full term babies die? Where do these people get this pretzel logic anyway…

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JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:11pm
Did someone take a clothes hanger to this lady’s face?

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- GodHatesFigs
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:23pm
  I am against statements like this one, and I think the people making statements such as these ought to be called out and ostracized. Besides being a disgusting attack on someone’s appearance and advocating violence, it adds no substance to the conversation. Anyone else with me?
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:29pm
  I don’t usually agree with you, but this time I do.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:40pm
  @GODHATEFIGS
  
  No, I’m not with you. It’s called a joke. Get a sense of humor.
  
  There’s a war of ideas going on here. This woman legitimizes the barbaric killing of unborn children. So, you can honor her if you like and pretend that you’re above the fray and take the high road. Meanwhile, babies are being butchered while you sit around feeling pious and self-righteous. We don’t need weak-kneed, cowards on our side. If you can’t stand the heat, well you know the rest……
  
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- MeteoricLimbo
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:13pm
  @GodHatesFigs
  
  I find your name offensive so there!
  
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hidden_lion
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:07pm
i am willing to bet, the majority of women who currently would get an abortion would not do so if they had to use a coat hanger. Any woman that would deserves to die from it. Blood for blood.

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- bdandsl
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:25pm
  I concur
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:37pm
  “Any woman that would deserves to die from it. ”
  
  you’re a sick SOB. you care about the unborn so much you have stopped caring altogether for the living.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:07pm
  And liberals blood-lust for the unborn is unmatched by anything. If a woman dies trying to murder her own baby, it’s a tragedy. But, just so long as the baby dies eh? You’re the sick SOB.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 1:34pm
  Isn’t that most shocking, SQUID? It’s A-OK for a liberal to justify murdering an innocent baby in the womb.
  
  PHILLY, please explain for us how a baby in the womb is not alive and deserves to be murdered? Also, please help me with this one……could you explain at what point in the pregnancy a “fetus” becomes a “baby”?
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:29pm
  COPATRIOTS – i never said anything “deserves” anything. but no i don’t consider it a baby until it breathes air. it’s a fetus, which is distinctly different than a baby. jeez, you folks make it sound like liberals think that we LOVE abortion. we don’t, but we recognize the need for the procedure and many of us don’t see the situation the same way you do. your religion teaches you the value of absolutes. this makes you incapable of understanding shades of grey.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:48pm
  You are right about one thing, PHILLY. I thankfully DO NOT view murdering an innocent baby that wasn’t given the gift of the breath of LIFE as a “shade of grey”.
  
  Again, may God have mercy on your soul.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 2:49pm
  You agree that “a fetus becomes a baby” at some point. They are most assuredly not “distinctly different”. Pure, pure evil.
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:00pm
  until Roe v Wade is overturned it’s simply evil to call abortion murder. murder is illegal. abortion is not. i consider the matter settled. now apologize!
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:09pm
  Your critical thinking skills are beyond belief, PHILLY. It is phenomenal that you think a law is the determinant of something being acceptable.
  
  I am moving on from this dialog.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:17pm
  Your logic is incredulous.
  
  So when Roe v Wade is overturned one day, will you then consider abortion murder?
  
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- phillyatheist
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:18pm
  “It is phenomenal that you think a law is the determinant of something being acceptable”
  
  if not the law, then what? your good Book perhaps?
  
  can you think of another example of something that is legal but unacceptable?
  
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- biohazard23
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:19pm
  @CoPats, one day I pray the scales will fall from his eyes and he will see the truth. In the meantime, check your email!
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:34pm
  PHILLY is, sadly, the example of the person who murdered Jews because the NAZI’s said it was acceptable.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 3:35pm
  Amen BIO and will do.
  
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Twinspeedr
Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:07pm
How about going back to the days when only bad girls would engage in promiscuous sex? Crazy I know.

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- Steelhead
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:13pm
  what about the men?
  
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- glennpatstu
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:19pm
  Or, how about going to the days where we have freedom as American’s and where you don’t get to legislate your morals on other people???? I think it is immoral for a citizen to own a hand grenade and a machine gun. But I don’t think it should be illegal. You conservatives are the biggest f’n hypocrites and you are so blinded by your hypocrisy that you can’t even see how ridiculous it is.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Hey GLEE,
  
  If one thinks murder or bestiality is moral, should we accept that also? No? Hypocrite!
  
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- Psychosis
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:34pm
  @glennpatstu
  
  what does ownership of an object have to do with morality?????
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:37pm
  Glen-
  I am all for a woman having choice. She should be able to kill herself if she wants. it is her body. The baby’s body on the other hand is not her’s to destroy. Why don’t the Liberals fight as hard to decriminalize drugs or legalize prostitution? Those things are more inline with control over your own body than abortion.
  
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- Skippy_John_Jones
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:40pm
  @glennpatstu, you think? See, that’s your problem. You’re trying to do something better left to professionals. In the hands of an amateur like yourself, it can be pretty dangerous. Don’t hurt yourself, dear!
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 4, 2012 at 12:46pm
  Spare me the morals argument. It’s empty and stupid. If you don’t want “morals” legislated than I suppose you’re for legalizing murder, rape, and fraud? They are currently illegal because they are immoral. Even if you argue it’s illegal because it strips someone else of their right, so what? Why is that wrong? Because, it’s IMMORAL.
  
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