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Jay Leno Asked Ron Paul About a Third Party Run — Here’s His Answer

Sep. 5, 2012 10:05am Mytheos Holt

On last night’s Jay Leno, Texas Congressman and Republican Party gadfly Ron Paul gave a series of comments that suggest, probably to the relief of many Republicans, that he likely won’t run for president on a third party ticket.

Paul made a statement to that effect after Leno asked the retiring congressman several questions about lesser topics, such as the speech by Clint Eastwood at last week’s RNC, or whether Paul himself could have gotten a speaking slot if he’d officially endorsed Mitt Romney. As reported by Mediaite this morning, when asked about running third party, Paul seemed to rule out the idea because he didn’t believe it would be effective in getting his message across, and that he could not win.

“I’ll tell you what: the system is very biased,” Paul lamented. “We talk a lot about democracy. We send our troops overseas. We want to spread democracy. But democracy isn’t all that healthy in this country because, if you’re in a third party, an alternate party, you don’t get in the debates. The truth is, if I would have tried in the last several years to do exactly what I have done in a third party, I probably wouldn’t have gotten — wouldn’t have made it — to your show. But there is, you know, something about it that — and if you ever come to a conclusion, heaven forbid that the two parties aren’t all that different, then what is left?”

Watch Paul’s interview with Leno, including his comments seemingly throwing cold water on a third party run, below:

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TJeff1
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:44am
The Democrats and Republicans can play with their sock puppets all they want, people are starting to wake up and grow up and realize the puppet show is just that… its a show.

It worked while there was plenty of pacifiers to hand out and bedazzle us with, but the American citizenry is starting to see their little baby slice of the big pie get even smaller. The gig is up, time to eat the puppets, the dumb animals (average Americans) are getting hungry and restless and some of them are starting to wake up and join minds with Liberty as a goal.

Maybe that’s why the DHS just bought 1.2 billion rounds of ammo.

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- Chris G
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:16pm
  Too bad Rep. Paul isn’t running 3rd Party…I sure woulda loved to have someone to vote for. It looks like I will have to write-in his name on election day, ‘cuz I in NO WAY will be able to vote for Obamney!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:24pm
  @Chris G
  Just when you think you will beat the system and do something ‘unexpected’….The machine is one step ahead of you. Your write-in vote will most likely not be counted (see link)
  http://www.dailypaul.com/242672/considerations-on-a-ron-paul-3rd-party-or-write-in-campaign-and-the-future-of-the-liberty-movement
  
  Gary Johnson will be on your ballot and maybe Virgil Goode
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:54pm
  wow, this article is sinking on Theblaze fast. It is the last article from today – despite higher posts than the other stories
  
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- v15
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:00pm
  At least half of the time a bill was being proposed in the House, Paul didn’t place a vote – for 22 years. Making new policies and laws is not what this is about; rather, it shows how half the time, Paul didn’t cast a vote. He is and never was presidential material, instead he has been a federal and state liability.
  
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- Papadoc
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Yeah, not enough folks. T’aint gonna happen. Too many people listening to their ipods and playing with their xbox to listen to what’s going on. I could have an intelligent current event conversation with half the people I encountered 20 years ago. Today, 70% the people I encounter under age 35 can’t even tell you who the VP is, and 90% can’t discuss a single issue without parroting party talking points. The bigger problem is that they actually ‘think’ they are talking for themselves.
  
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- Dio fan
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Ron Paul was the last hope of stopping what I believe is a coming a Civil War AND World War3.
  Hillary Clinton is CFR. Ann Romney is CFR. The CFR is an anti American political activist group executing a single agenda of destroying all sovereign nations (including USA) to bring about a one world government. This is what you want to put back in the White house?
  I realize how bad 0bama is, but you Willard supporters need to look at his voting record, globalist ties, and history before you tout him as an answer to anything.
  
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- baptist_deacon
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:59pm
  Maybe you all are too young to remember Ross Perot’s 3rd party run in 1988. He got a lot of people (mostly republicans) all hyped up on his candidacy and then dropped out. His reason for dropping out? “Due to the resurgence of the democratic party….”, his exact words. Then Bush’s poll numbers went up. After all the republicans that were going to vote for him looked like they were going to vote for Bush, he reentered the race. Total con job! As a result, Clinton was elected.
  
  I am glad Ron Paul is not running. He has gained credibility with me, that he is not just some shill to sap voters away from the republican candidate.
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 3:19pm
  Chris G — ya’ bummer that Rep Ron Paul says it is unlikely that he would not run on a 3rd Party ticket. I’ll have to consider him as a writing candidate vote if it is possible. (Someone posted that Dr. Ron Paul is not ‘presidential material’ — and I would ask if they think that the other two media hyped candidates are? One can track up over 100 golf games, undisclosed numbers of basketball pick up games (bet it is well over 100), sending his kid on a private, taxpayer funded vacation to Mexico with a bunch of other well off kids from her PRIVATE school, a wife that takes endless vacations and shopping trips. And another who supported a state version of ObamaCare — and other issues)
  
  SoyBomb315_II states that a written vote won’t be counted. Well, I have news for Soy…lots of the others votes won’t be counted either or suddenly votes to get in a special person will be discovered. Remember the amazing Senate vote in Minnesota where BOXES of uncounted votes suddenly appeared in the favor of the losing candidate? Or the thousands of troubling votes in Nevada and New Mexico? I am of the view that one should vote for the BEST candidate because voting one’s principles is NEVER a lost vote. And if there is no ‘best candidate’, I believe one should write in “NONE of the ABOVE” but voting for the LESSER of two evils is still supporting evil.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 3:53pm
  @AnAmericanToo
  Yes, by all means – vote for the best candidate who is RUNNING. I would write-in Thomas Jefferson ahead of Ron Paul, but they are equally not running for president. I get what you are saying and I agree – but am trying to warn you about ‘write-ins’.
  
  AnAmericanToo, i have another link for you. Seriously consider this information…..
  http://www.dailypaul.com/252471/quantify-the-movement-the-case-for-gary-johnson
  
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- AustrianEconomicsRocks
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:21pm
  @baptist_deacon
  You need to educate yourself about Dr. Paul if you honestly believe he is a shill for anything. There is not a single person in Congress that is more consistent, principled, honest, and steadfast than him. If you call that being a shill then hope is really lost for most people. Because being Honest and standing on Principle is NEVER a bad thing, in my humble opinion.
  
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- BigDaddyRamFrog
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:52pm
  All Paulbots need to understand that a write-in vote for Paul is a vote for Obama thus giving Barry & Michelle the four more years needed to “fundamentally” change America.
  Romney’s not my choice either, but when compared to Barry Hussein Obama Kaedashian – it’s a choice I can live with for four more years as we try to change the Republican Party. Look at Ross Perot, he helped elect a democrat president by siphoning off 10% of the vote.
  
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- ainthurtinnobody
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Wake up or waking up I hope I live to see it. Every now and then there’s a glimmer of hope. Ole Ron’s getting up there in years but ideas are powerful and I’m sure there are a lot of little Ron’s out there. We really do need something besides this two sides of the same coin. Ever notice that they fight and argue over all these details but the country keeps going in the same direction no matter who is elected. On the National level does our vote really mean anything? It’s debatable. It makes a small difference but the same corporate powers run the government and sad to say you can’t advance much on the national level without their money backing you. Then you have a politician whose sold out to the corporate powers and special interest groups. High crimes and prostitution. But we still have the best government that money can buy.
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:00pm
  @BIGDADDY If Obama is as bad as you people claim and Romney is as great as you claim then this should be a landslide election and you should not be worried about third party voters. You republicans had several potential nominees and Romney is who you chose. If you wanted liberty minded people to vote republican you should have nominated a liberty minded candidate. The truth is the paradigm in American politics are changing and you can no longer scare people into playing the two party game. I do believe Romney will win but those of us who won;t play the two party game are becoming just as powerful as those of you who do. If Romney should lose republicans can blame themselves.
  
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- Classical Liberal
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:03pm
  @baptist deacon, CIA Bush was the victor in 1988.
  
  And you took Ross Perot out of context.
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 7:45pm
  I think it is a mistake on Paul’s part to not run 3rd party, or at least endorse Johnson (I know i have said i wasn’t for Johnson, but i have done some research on him, and i was wrong… you tube : Who is Gary Johnson?…he was on stossel)
  
  If there ever was a time for a philisophical revolution it is NOW….not 2016…The fire that burns right now will die out a lot when Romney wins (it has already died a lot since this race began)…..Many many people are going to go back to sleep… I’m disappointed in Paul right now…..
  
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Chromo200
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:42am
I feel all this talk about Dem and Rep being the same, maybe so but I feel that I have choice to hook up with ****** one with an STD (a Dem) and another with no STD (Rep) they both are ****** but one won’t have an ever lasting effect on me.

ROn PAul misses why the masses are not for him. His ideas have no record, just philisophical ideas. Ron Paulers and Libertarians need to get elected to local spositions and show us that they can handle the task.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:57am
  well you could look to the first 50 years to see what a small federal government would look like….But i guess if you want to see a 2012 version, you could start voting for them – or you could keep voting for progressives and hope things change
  
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- Texas Chris
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:25pm
  The country was founded on the principles Ron Paul advocates. We must admit that the federal government diverted from the intended path almost imediatly, however gradually.
  
  Recently the statist trend has increased, as will all representative governments. People have realized they can vote themselves a larger share of other people’s productivity. At this point in the downward trend, it is too late to reverse the slide. Collapse is inevitable, and preferable, to saving a bloated bureacracy.
  
  Romney, Obama, doesn’t matter. Neither is interested in a real, sygnificant reduction in the size and scope of government. Neither is discussing what the role of government aught to be. Neither is discussing monetary policy, fractional reserve banking, the Federal Reserve or other frauds perpetrated on the people in the stead of constitutional, gold and silver, hard money.
  
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- Chromo200
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:27pm
  soybomb315_II .. Agree that smaller gov’t was and is the best, but also remember that the trials and tribulations of those days are totally different than the present world is . 300 million plus vs a couple of million and I am being generouse. There was no pressure from the Chinese, Russians, Arabs, need for oil, international commerce. In those days you did not like what is going on in cities you left into the wilderness. I still say we need to vote Obama out, vote in the right congressmen/women, and vote in the right people at the local and state level. When people see that they are providing an effective gov’t they will jump the fence and join us.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:33pm
  It did not work out that way for Reagan and it CERTAINLY will not work out that way for Romney. Tell me, if the Reagan revolution resulted in a uber republican progressive (elder Bush) and then 8 years of Clinton – how is this ‘Romney revolution” going to work out?
  
  The RNC is rotten
  
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- Thinkingman777
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 3:25pm
  I give lectures on America’s Christian Heritage and the Roots of Political Correctness in America, and Ron Paul doesn’t embody the spiritual life and ideals of our founding fathers as his ardent followers seem to believe. Futhermore, he blames America for 9/11 while completely dismissing the fact that Islam has been an truculent foe against Jews and Christians for the last 1,400 years! Ron Paul feeds off the adoration of his followers who treat him like some kind of savior, but the rest of us “ignorant Americans”, as some Ron Pauler’s like to call us, see through his arrogance and his ignorance. He did have some good ideas about the economy, but those ideas were overshadowed by the rest of his looney left field concepts. I believe Obama will win and Ron Pauler’s will continue to believe “there’s no difference between Obama and Romney”. Another brilliant deduction I’m sure!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:20pm
  sounds like you are pretty biased, for a teacher….
  
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- PRESIDENT_OBAMNEY
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:27pm
  @Thinkingman777:
  You are right: you are an idiot. If you like abortions, indefinite detentions without a trial (NDAA), complete unrestricted spying on U.S. citizens (Patriot Act), bank bail outs, auto bailouts, endless unconstitutional wars, gun restrictions, endless deficit spending (Ryan’s big-spending plan doesn’t even balance the budget until 2040!), more TSA expansions (as seen at the Romney/Ryan speeches)–than go ahead and believe what you believe and Romney will deliver for you!
  
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baptist_deacon
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:39am
It is incorrect to say that Obama and Romney are the same. I have never seen such stark differences between candidates in my life. Romney basically about free enterprise and Obama about government control. Ron Paul is wrong about being cut out of the process, because he appeared in many primary debates where he got to express his views. The primary was the proper place for him to be heard. We all got to hear some of his “way out there views” and if they had made sense, he would have gotten the nomination. He did change my mind on the patriot act and the freedom we exchanged for safety. He definitely had a positive effect on the election. My main problem with him was his foreign policy. He shouldn’t be complaining, in my opinion.

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- TJeff1
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:47am
  On the big issues they are the same. The big issues is government control. Oh the Republicans talk well but they don’t act on it. Its all a show. Romney pledges not to cut Social Sec., Medicare, and Defense. When that is your starting point and will probably comprimise there is little more than chump change of difference between the two parties.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:00pm
  @baptist_deacon
  Look at the big picture. Debt, deficit, war, illegal immigration, patriot act, spying on americans, entitlements, progressive tax code. These things would be UNCHANGED under a Romney administration.
  
  Yea, Romney talks about repealing regulation, but how far will that get us when our country is awash in debt and entitlements?
  
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- Coelitus
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:43pm
  They only flaw in your argument with both Parties being “the same” is what could Ron Paul do? If Ron Paul was elected and the two parties are “the same” what would he get done? Republicans and Democrats control 99% of Congress. Who would pass his Bills? We would be worse off than we are now, and most certainly elect a Democrat and doom the “far right’s” voice from being herd in 2016 and beyond.
  
  I don’t agree with you though. The record does not support you that both parties are “the same”. What constitutes the percentage of similarities in comparison for your analysis to conclude you with the notion that they are the “same”? 50%, 60%, even 70% similarities on the issues? One can say that even if they are 90% similar, they are not the “same”.
  
  What you will find is that there are between 30-40% similarities between the parties in voting comparison. Very little (<10%) similarities between the parties in actual political theories. Why is the voting record more than the political theory? The two parties have to pass laws and thus they vote compromise.
  
  I like Ron Paul. I don’t agree with him on every issue, though. What turned me off about him the most this go-around was how he used YouTube to broadcast half-truths about republican candidates and the party to incite fear and anger in his base. A half-truth is a lie. He was no better than the ones he was accusing. I fact checked 90% of the YouTube ads I came across and they were not honest,
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:48pm
  @Coelitus
  The republicans and democrats disagree on the ‘issues’ but the result of their power is the same….Progressivism
  
  Forget about Ron Paul, he is a messenger. You ask what would a Constitutionalist president do? Well, first of all the bills would originate from Congress, therefore the president wouldnt have any bills. But a Constitutionalist president would veto any unconstitutional bill and veto any budget that does not significantly reduce the deficit
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:55pm
  SOY…all that would do is get that person labeled “do nothing” and then SLAUGHTERED in reelection…any other suggestions?
  
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- philnem52
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 2:01pm
  well said
  
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- philnem52
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 2:07pm
  to Baptist_Deacon Well said!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 2:13pm
  @used
  It is the job of Congress to make laws….Do you want a smaller federal government or not? In order to get a smaller federal government, they will have to DO MUCH MUCH LESS
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 5:10pm
  Again, we agree totally agree there SOY…I’m simply pointing out that it is MUCH bigger than the POTUS. Any pres that just vetoed EVERYTHING (cause lets face it, every single bill congress has passed in the past 100 years needs to be “post birth aborted”) for 4 straight years would lose in a landslide the following election…unfortunately, it’s the mentality of 50% of the nation that needs to be fixed as well as the government :(
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:04pm
  @COELITUS Your statement that politicians HAVE TO PASS LAWS is the problem with this country.
  
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- Ballot_Box_Revolution
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 8:07pm
  They are the same in the fact that both parties are merely puppets controlled by the dollars. The organizations funding these parties are more important than the citizens they claim to represent. The left is controlled by special interest, and the right controlled by big business.
  
  Romney isn’t going to deregulate anything. That would create too much competition for the big business. Then they might actually have to make better products, or chance being put in the category of outliving their usefulness.
  
  Special interest love regulations too…i’m not just slamming Romney, but we already know about Obama’s end game.
  
  And since we are on the subject, i would like to bring up something I notice We keep talking about the need of jobs jobs jobs…….which i agree we do need those because jobs are stepping stones to greater things, however regulations make it harder to get to the greater things, and keep you in your JOB…..I would like to hear more about Opportunity. Sure I want and need a better job, but what is a job w/o opportunity??? There is a big thick wall that keeps people in the JOB market with little chance to escape, which seems to me like boarder line slavery…..I notice opportunity is not mentioned very often.
  
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Economist
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:36am
FACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY. It is too late to change course. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.

Romney is not going to stop the train from going off the cliff. He has pledged not to touch SS, Medicare, Defense and along with Debt interest this accounts for 80% of the budget off the table. Basically same status quo.

Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going enact measures that will prevent this collapse.

Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?

I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.

But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:01pm
  @Economist
  I see your point. Glenn Beck also saw your point in 2008….
  
  “The scenario that keeps running through my head goes like this: John McCain somehow wins; the major problems we’re likely going to face regardless of who is elected kick in; McCain gets blamed; and conservative ideals take the fall for McCain’s decidedly nonconservative policies. Plus, it’s always been my theory that you should be voting for something, not against something. Trying to win an election by just being against something is usually fruitless; see John Kerry.”
  -Glenn Beck, July 2008 on the Glenn Beck Show
  
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Individualism
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:34am
Its either Gary Johnson, or a fascist or communist. simple as that.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:46am
  Y’haer this!! If you have been a Republican for the past 50 years, you are nuttin but a Communist. This from someone who wants you to support Rue Paul or Gary Johnson. My. my, my, ya’ll must support either of these two because he /she /it says so. This show that this chump is really a Obozo supporter, disguised as a Libertarian. Well Libertarian’s, do you want this type of schmuck representing you?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:03pm
  Over the past 50 years, the republican party has given us more socialism than less socialism. Therefore, if you have been a republican for 50 years – either your head is in the sand or you support communism/socialism
  
  It is a shame the republicans have tricked so many people into thinking they are on the ‘good guy’ side while they creep closer and closer towards socialism
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:08pm
  Another prime example
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:13pm
  then i guess you are a ‘head in the sand’ type
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:24pm
  Pffffft
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:25pm
  socialism
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:44pm
  Pffffttt
  
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Dcjones
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:23am
Hey guess what >>> There is no room for a non-fascist in either party.

What we are witnessing with disbelief and horror is the end cycle of all democratic republics. This is the stage where the oligarchs have been given the keys to the currency printing presses. The political process has now been monetized and co-opted. This experiment will always end where it began. We shall return to slavery, wandering through the greatest depression while the dependant enslaved citizens, banksters, the professional politicians cling to the remaining parts of the government apparatus.

Then the good men who have kept their guns, who value liberty more than life will organize and revolt. There will be blood. The country will return to local, maybe state government, and we will begin again with a new central government that will for a while be restrained. There will be a new burst of freedom, faith and prosperity as the cycle starts anew. In the digital, fiat age, this will happen sooner, not later.
Mr. conservative himself, William F. Buckly Jr. always urged others to vote for the right-most electable candidate possible. >>The problem with that advise is you can do just that and still drift ever leftward and/or statist. Well I refuse to do that anymore, I will stand my ground and say NO MORE! I will always vote my conscience from here on out. I will not vote for Democrat or Republican.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:30am
  Good for you! I agree that we’ve been pushed too far.
  
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- windwalker 38
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:40pm
  Well DC, you sure will not be alone.There are lots of us that will NOT vote for the lesser of two evils. There is very little difference between Romney and Obama as both asre One World Government supporters and want big Government, big spending, and more control over us, the American citizens.Neither of them would uphold our Constitution nor National Sovereignty. Everyone should quit listening to the One World Government controllers and Nay Sayers telling us what candidate we must vote for. Vote your conscience for the person you believe would best serve our Country. When both Parties want the same basic Government with the main difference being that they want their Party to control it, ignore them. Vote your conscience for the Candidate you believe in. The same with your Senators and Representatives, both Federal and State. God bless America.
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:13pm
  We are almost at the point where third party voter have more power than the two party players. With the two partiers nearly evenly split they need our independent votes more than ever. You can tell this by the fear you see on this site that we will not vote for Romney. I believe Romney will win but i also believe if he loses the independent vote will have overpowered the republican vote and major change will come in future elections.
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:46pm
  That is exactly what I’m hoping for. If we can show them that third party and independent voters truly matter, then we can finally have real change. Obama might win, but America can finally win in 2016 if we force a third party to be recognized as important.
  
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Trading_barracuda
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:20am
~ The ReBLOODlicans are going to get whacked by the DemoCRIPPS this cycle.
~ When Americans are ready to be “True Americans” again, the Ron Paul People will be there to show them the way.
~ RMoney is about to demonstrate the truism that the richest candidate doesn’t always win.
~ This economy will go down. It’s unavoidable given the two political gangs that have a choke hold on the action.
~ The sooner it all comes crashing down the better.
~ Then we can get on with re-building a Constitutionally sound republic.
~ People call Baracchio a socialist, a commie, a marxist… truth is there’s no difference in the product that the ReBLOODlicans produce because both parties are deceptive and corrupt.

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Doc_Slammin
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:10am
Personally, I agree with many of Ron Paul’s assessments — but not necessarily his solutions. Condaleeza Rice made some extremely important points about America’s international influence at the RNC. If this country does not lead in international affairs then someone else will fill the vacuum. The other thing that stood out to me was Rand Paul’s comments about thinking Obama-care “unconstitutional”. Factually, it’s not because the 16th amendment allows Congress to impose taxes on anyone for almost any reason, whatsoever. It does not provide that taxation be shared equally nor does it set limits on how much the government can demand.

Essentially, this is where Republicans and Democrats are the same bunch of con-artists. They play with the “tax code” and leave the 16th Amendment alone (which is the REAL problem).

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:07pm
  @Doc
  Do you understand the reason Rand Paul said it was unconstitutional? I dont think you do – here it is….
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2012-07-02/Rand-Paul-ObamaCare-Roberts/55989650/1
  
  In regards to Condeleeza…Exactly how and where should America be “leading”. Condeleeza presumably thinks we should have kept more troops dying in Iraq and should be dying longer in Afghanistan. Please, tell me exactly how this is supposed to work…Not to mention the cost
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 2:29pm
  @DOC the 16th and the 17th both blow chunks and are equally harmful.
  
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Freebird
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:08am
I’m neither a Paul-bot or an Obama-zomie,but after what I saw from the RNC,there is no way that any of you can honestly say that the things that went on done there are right.Is this the way things are done in the Republican party?What the hell is the difference between the two parties?I could expect something like this from the dems,but to see this played out in Tampa is disheartening.

Here’s a link,for those of you interested in what a political machine looks like.
http://youtu.be/B39W91O-rUg

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:12pm
  @Freebird
  It is a terrible thing to see. The RNC has conducted themselves in this way throughout the primary by pushing Mitt Romney as well as blocking many Ron Paul wins/delegates
  
  I just heard the news this morning that republicans were trying to keep 3rd party candidates off the Virginia ballot. The republicans are interested in power and NOT freedom
  http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/02/virginia-republican-party-asserts-that-virgil-goode-petition-is-flawed/
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:18pm
  @SOYBOMB It started with them lying for two weeks about Romney winning the iowa caucus.
  
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barber2
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:07am
Heard about the Virgil Goode , a conservative Democrat who became a Republican in office, running in Virginia as a Constitution Party candidate ? Guess that Democrat Plan B: Divide the Dumb Conservatives is still alive and well. Should would love to know the machinations behind this move.

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- Individualism
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:31am
  There is also Gary Johnson with a nice record who could take away from both.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:15pm
  Barber
  You want to know how the machine works? I give you a head start – by keeping people ignorant and eliminating dissent
  
  Your republican party tried to use their tyrannical power to keep Virgil Goode off the Virginia ballot. SHAME ON THEM
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:21pm
  http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/02/virginia-republican-party-asserts-that-virgil-goode-petition-is-flawed/
  
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Wildblue3
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:01am
Thank god that he’s not running. We don’t need any distraction. Mission 1 is getting Barrack out of the People’s house.

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- windwalker 38
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 5:05pm
  Wildblue, I don’t see the good of getting Obama out and replacing him with another One World Government supporter. Neither Romney nor Obama will uphold our Constitution and National Sovereignty. Just vote your conscience for the person you believe will best serve our Country.
  
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termyt
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:56am
I agree that the last time Republicans had power, it was a train wreck. That lead to the birth of the Tea Party movement. Maybe it was a good thing for the long run.

However, just like the left wing extremists mad at Obama for not going fast enough, Paulites seem to want us to go from Jackboot to Liberty in on legislative session. It’s not going to happen and, by refusal to work for reform instead of immediate change, you vote for status quo.

Status quo is more spending, more government, more debt, and more poorly executed wars overseas.

We need to start moving. We will not simply snap to the correct political place of limited government over night. We have to lead there one step of a time. It took over 100 years for Progressives to get us this far out of bounds. It will take time to move us back.

The first step is speaking the truth. Most will not get it at first. So the next step is voting for the best candidate, if the “right” one is not there or is not electable. We continue to speak the truth, teach others, and practice what we preach.

It’s a long walk. Hopefully done in less than a generation, but if it takes another 100 years to walk it back, then, by God, we must fight for it.

Vote for Romney. Let’s start moving. Waiting for the Messiah to come and restore us all at once is not going to do you or your great grandchildren any good.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:00am
  The republicans took away our voice with their rule changes. There’s no working to reform the party. They ensured that will NEVER happen. The “big tent” is only open to folks that will shut up and do what they’re told by “10 fat guys in a room” somewhere.
  
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- Dcjones
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:00am
  Yes but the problem is that there is NO TIME to move slowly. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. We either move fast now or we go off a cliff. NO other options. Ron Paul understands this because he knows economics. The others do not.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:06am
  I understand it too. How much do you think a war with Iran will cost? How can Romney preserve the state, EXPAND the military, lower taxes on the wealthy, and reduce the deficit? It’s impossible. We’re going over that cliff one way or the other and I’m not convinced Romney will slow it down.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:09am
  JUST: I can not believe that who are so blind as to not see what the next four years under Big Brother Obama would be like for independent sounding you. Talk about rule changes. You ain’t seen nothing yet… or is this part of that ” let’s have a revolution business ??”
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:44am
  @Barber, I don’t see a difference. Romney has never spoken out against BO’s EO’s. Why do you think that is? Why is he supporting all the “anti-terrorism” legislation that is turning this country into some Orwellian nightmare? He’s supported by the global bankers, attends the Bilderberg conference and chose a VP candidate that contributes articles to the CFR. He’s a globalist statist that wants the NWO like all the presidents since the Bush 1. He’s the internationalists safety pick for the GOP so their progression won’t be stalled if Obama happens to lose. Do you think he’ll change his mind about liberty and the police state when the whole thing comes crashing down? Of course not.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:58am
  Barber
  Forget talking to these Bots. This is just a case of hubris. A waste of time.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:36pm
  13th: I agree. The Democrats must be toying with them or else they are Democrats. The Plan B: Divide the Dumb Republicans has always been part of the Democrats’ plan. The Far Left may be evil but they are also evilly crafty! Bottom line 2012 : Marxism versus capitalism. God versus Big Brother. The Republicans MUST get this message across.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:25pm
  13th, It’s not hubris that prevents from discussing issues with folks that call us names. You’re not really interested in having a discussion at all and never have been. I’m seeing this tactic used a lot. Calling us names, dodge the subject and say we’re being difficult. A perfect example is foreign policy and Iran. If you’re relying solely on the media to influence you’re opinion on the subject, then you are accepting CFR propaganda. Their interests have nothing to do with our national security at all, but we’re crazy for not believing the same media outlets that have been wrong numerous times over the past two decades. Do you really want to discuss it?
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:20pm
  ” Marxism versus capitalism. God versus Big Brother. The Republicans MUST get this message across.:”
  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, The republicans only believe in god when they can pander. As for capitalism we haven’t had to for 100 years+. Republicans and democrats are both fascist.
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:54pm
  @BARBER2 I am no Obama fan but my life has been fine the last four years. It seems like you depend an awful lot on government. If you didn’t you wouldn’t be so scared about who wins an election and you would build your life around your own ambitions.
  
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flipper1073
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:55am
Maybe I’m looking at this from the wrong Prospective.
But shouldn’t Mitt Romney be Courting the Ron Paul,
TEA Party,An Conservatives in General ? Not forcing
them to come to him ? I understand that Paul Ryan was
Bone for the Conservatives But We need everyone on
Board in Nov.
Mitt needs to get rid of ALL his Establishment Advisers.
an start meeting with TEA Party People.
Mediocre Moderate Republicans Lose every Time !
(Bob Dole an John McCain come to mind)
There is an Army of Constutitional Conservatives Out
Here But as long as You Keep listening to Carl Rove an Friends.
We will remain at a Distance.
Sarah Palin is a Very Nice Lady You should Listen to Her, an
Ron Paul, an Newt Gingrich, an Ann Coulter, an Allen West,
an Rush Limbaugh,an Glenn Beck I could go on forever but
Hopefully You might get the IDEA !
Conservatives will show You how to Win,
Establishment Republicans will only show You How to LOSE !
If You move to the Right You Win in a Landslide.
If You stay in the Middle You Lose in a Squeaker.
Because of Massive Voter Fraud in Swing States.
You must Win your BASE First to Win the Election.

Romney / Ryan 2012

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:03am
  You’d think he’d be courting us if he wanted to win. Instead he’s done everything in the world to piss us off. It’s obvious he works for the CFR, Goldman Sachs, etc. instead of the people.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:27am
  “Everything in the world” JUST? They did bring “aduit the FED” and “return to the gold standard” into the platform…you don’t think that was part of trying to appeal to RPers?
  
  Or is it just that you folks WILL NOT be happy unless his views perfectly mirror yours? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you folks are YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY! You argue and demonize much like the FAR LEFT and not AT ALL like far right conservatives…I would actually prefer RP to Mitt as his ideals very closely resemble mine (except his “head in the sand” foreign policy), but he isn’t an option and as much as you continue to LIE ABOUT MITT by saying he is exactly the same as Obama (again, you blatantly lie about people just like the…what for it…FAR LEFT!!!), the FACT is that Obama HATES AMERICA and WANTS to see us destroyed. Mitt may be progressive in ideology as well, but he LOVES this country and wants us to be the WORLD POWER…
  
  Sounds like a pretty clear choice when only given the 2 options…but you RPers are all so much smarter than me, I’m sure you’ll tell me where I’m wrong.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:28pm
  @Flipper
  Did you see the Freedomworks take on the convention? Not good. There is a reason Sarah Palin was not allowed in. I believe she would have overturned some tables if she was around for this…..
  http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/romneys-rnc-power-grab-what-happened
  
  I am seeing the republican party trying to get Gary Johnson eliminated from the PA ballot and the republicans are trying to get Virgil Goode off the Virginia ballot….Is this what democracy looks like?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:09pm
  @Used, I read the 62 page platform put together by the RNC. First, it’s not binding at all. It’s also progressive in many ways. Like the defense of marriage act. It’s progressive to think that federal government has any authority to regulate marriage one way or another. This was followed by the “Constitutional government” section which was a complete joke. If I recall correctly, it only offered to protect religious freedom. This is fine and dandy, but it seems they took away many of our rights, and the concession is to give us one back. It’s totally unacceptable. What they’ve been doing in terms of protecting us from “terrorism” is wrong. A good start would have been them conceding they can’t kill us without due process. They have pushed liberty back 8 centuries with that law. I just didn’t see the concessions you say they’ve made. You say Romney loves America, I disagree. America is the Constitution, freedom and rights and he wants no part of that. Furthermore he wouldn’t have parked his money in offshore accounts and dodged the draft if he truly cared about anything other than himself. You believe he’s wrong on Iran, I think he’s right. We can’t afford another war and it’s totally unnecessary and abandons the just war theory of Christianity. At least we should be able to debate it openly in congress rather than in secrecy of some think tank full of elitist swines. Changing the rules to silence us in the future was the icing on the cake.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:21pm
  Used/Just
  Did you see Boehner’s response to the republican platform? See the link below. Now if the republican in charge of the house doesnt care about the platform – what makes you think he will make laws that reflect it???
  
  A bigger issue is that the republican platform has called for a constitutional amendment ending abortion in every election since 1980….But yet the republicans have never proposed the constitutional amendment. That tells you everything you need to know about “platforms”
  
  http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12642-boehner-no-one-reads-gop-platform
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 1:36pm
  I get the JUST, I really do…but not EVERYONE believes what we do and it’s going to take some time to get a good enough % on our side to push all the back to the founding…if BO is elected he WILL make a full blown totalitarian power grab. Romney will NOT…that MIGHT buy us a little more time, is our country not worth trying for? Or do you WANT a violent revolution? At least admit that if it’s what you want, because sitting it out OR voting 3rd party is a vote for violent revolution against obama
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:01pm
  @UsedCzar, I’d be with you 100% if I actually trusted Romney as much as you do. I see his actions during the primaries and convention as an indication that he’s all about the power as well. 17 of 24 of his national security advisers were Bush’s and evil. I firmly believe he’s just another internationalist elitist wanting to rule the world with his buddies.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 5:16pm
  JUST/SOY…man I hope y’all are wrong. If you two are right this means CIVIL WAR, period…and you and I JUST (don’t know if you’ve served SOY so if you have sorry for not including you) know what an insurgent war looks like (although WE would be the “insurgents”) and when combine American enginuity with insurgency it gets ugly on a scale we’ve never seen before…God forbid, but what happens if we lose?
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:47pm
  Your statement that bringing Paul Ryan in as a bone to the conservatives is my problem with republicans. Paul Ryans voting record is atrocious at best. He has voted to spend more money on unconstitutional liberty robbing bills than nancy pelosi.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 9:03pm
  @UsedCzar, I hope I’m wrong too. All of the new security measures bug me. The NDAA terrifies me a great deal. I see no legitimate reason why we need to abandoned due process. I firmly believe that anyone that supports this legislation is up to no good. When we’re passing the same laws Hitler passed, and all the candidates support it while the media downplays it, my trust that everything is OK in America is but gone. DHS purchasing a billion+ hollow points on top of that… and I just have a bad feeling.
  
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HollisBrown
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:46am
Then lay out before me what mitt could possibly do thats worse then whats happened in the past 4 years? We KNOW what the next 4 years are going to be like if barrack goes back in, he has already done the ground work. No way in hell you dont understand the logics of this. Im sorry if your candidate wasnt chosen but life goes on, maybe 2016 will be the time for RP. Had RP been the chosen candidate i would be glad to give him my vote over the suffering of what we have in office now.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:55am
  Not with the BS rules changes by the progressive establishment. Our voices will never be heard within the rnc. Neither will the Tea Party folks. No sir, we’ve been pushed out of the party, but the media hasn’t really shown the light on their crooked deeds.
  
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TJeff1
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:44am
It’s fun when one realizes that the guy who seems crazy, and most think is crazy, is actually the only sane one in the place. Our country suffers from a mass delusion.

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perry1980
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:41am
A 3rd party candidate gaurantees the re-election of Obama

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:53am
  Many of us don’t really care because we don’t see a difference between the two. I don’t know why this is a big shock to anyone since we’ve been saying this from day one. Besides some in the Liberty Movement came from the left. Them voting 3rd party is actually hurting Obama rather than Romney.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:14am
  We get it Just, your boy did not win and your mad.
  
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- staginglt
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:24am
  The 3rd party discussion is not germane to the discussion of Ron Paul, as he has already stated (multiple times) that he is not running “3rd party”. “3rd Party” is a misnomer. There are a number of political parties, and votes for any one of them is a vote for whatever party that vote was cast for. Who dictates what the default position if for a vote that is NOT cast for the R’s or D’s? Are 3rd parties effective? Unfortunately, no, because they are not considered by the media, and we have an uninformed, misinformed, and disengaged electorate, by and large. When the two “major” parties only pretend to argue around the edges, while their *actions* line up more than their rhetoric, it is time for a sea change, but I can’t see how to effectively interject an opposing view from outside the framework of the 2-party system. It wasn’t always the R’s and D’s… but how do you fight the machine that has been built up? There were a number of grassroots movements (Tea Party, Liberty, etc.) that were starting to make inroads within the GOP, but the new RNC rules have effectively crushed any dissent. Now what?
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 7:27pm
  I love how people talk like Romney was the choice of the people. I don’t know exactly how many people voted for him in the primaries but i would be surprised if it was more than 10% of the population. 10% of the population does not speak for the rest of us. Sorry! If anybody has a number on how many people voted for Romney in the primaries please post it.
  
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O NEEDS TO GO
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:33am
Ron Paul has some great ideas, but his view of Iran is laughable. Not to mention he has little charisma and does not have the oratorical skills it takes to win a presidential election. He rambles to much and gets off topic like a senile man almost. Again love his ideas in large part, but he would never appeal to the majority of Americans because he cannot explain his thoughts clearly and precisely.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:40am
  Where do you get your information on foreign policy from? I’ve asked this question to folks that post similar statements, and none have ever responded. I do wish he spoke better but that’s not all that important for me, since I never listen to politicians that have crappy voting records anyway.
  
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- Eaglesnest
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:48am
  You can find out what Ron Paul’s policy on Iran is from the debates during the primary. While I agree with Ron Paul on almost everything and voted for him in the primary election, I do not care for his policies on the Middle East, especially Iran and Israel. Not to worry fellow Paul supporters, it is OK, nobody can be right on every single issue. Romney is infinitely better than Obama, so he has my support.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:57am
  @Eaglesnest, Where do you get your information on the dangers of Iran from? Not RP’s policy.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:27am
  Not to be captain obvious, but you do realize what website you are on right? Where would he get information about dangers of Iran? From this website and Glenn Beck’s radio and TV program, and “Real New from the Blaze”..
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:27pm
  @Just,
  
  Great point. I was doing some reading this week regarding the Iran nukes issue. Sure, Iran is totally baiting the US/Israel like Saddam did with the WMD. Saddam had gotten rid of it long before we showed up, but still used the suspicion as a political tool.
  
  Here is a recent article in which the UN inspectors still have no evidence of a nuke weapons program.
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/us-nuclear-iran-iaea-idUSBRE87T0Y220120830
  
  Here is one from our state department stating that there is no evidence of a weapons program.
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444230504577615971688458892.html
  
  Here is Leon Panetta reitterating that point in February of this year.
  http://news.antiwar.com/2012/02/16/panetta-iran-is-not-developing-nuclear-weapons/
  
  Everyone is just buying this hype that Iran has a big ol Nuke with USA or Bust written on it and fueled up and ready to go.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 3:29pm
  @SacredHonor, I believe GB is wrong on foreign policy. He’s agenda driven and uses very suspect experts that fit his narrative. He’s a propaganda machine like the rest of the media. The only one on his staff that’s any different is Buck Sexton who served in the intelligence community, and he seems to side with us. Please look into Karen Kwiatkowski. She’s written tons of essays on the subject, has done numerous interviews and worked in the pentagon / intelligence community her entire career. You’ll learn who all the lying neocons are and realize that they’ve been planning this stuff for a long time and it has nothing to do with our national security. Also Michael Scheuer, who FOX used to use all the time, but stopped using him during the RP media blackout.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:22pm
  @just, This is where they get it from, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 5:23pm
  @Resme, Yeah they don’t even need to make up different lies. That’s what blows my mind. Fox is a miserable propaganda machine. You can have a CIA agent tell someone something and they wouldn’t believe it if a Fox reporter/talking head says the opposite. It makes no sense. GB uses Eric Staklebeck who has no credentials. Rabbi Lapin who has baggage and well, is a rabbi. And Boiken, who I respect for his service, but he’s a nut case zealot that botched practically every operation he lead and can’t even speak at West Point. Fox uses the same. Before the primaries they used Michael Scheuer, but he came out for a non interventionalist foreign policy and concerns about our relationship with Israel, and he was done for, and they’ve never used Kwiatkowski who was there in the Pentagon and blew the whistle on all the lies and deception of the Neoconservatives. Then you tell them that Fox not only has Rupert Murdoch who is in the CFR, but has a Saudi fricken prince owning a large portion of the their parent company and that doesn’t even register that they have an agenda not compatible to the will of the people. I share my experiences over there in Desert Storm working ops/intel for the best hornet squadron in the navy that year, yet I’m the one that doesn’t have a clue. I’m fairly sure that everyone that thinks RP’s foreign policy is whack has been brainwashed by News Corps. The media has failed us miserably and they all have CFR membership. It just doesn’t reg
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:44pm
  @Just, It’s almost scary watching fox, Every morning at 6 am within 10minutes “Breaking News Iran nuclear showdown!” It’s like before work here’s your daily dose of propaganda. As for karen, I voted for her during the primaries. Bob goodlatte refused a debate against karen he ran and hid. They tied Karen to ron paul and called her a Anti-Semite. It’s sad people keep voting for the same neo-cons over and over, You almost have to vote democrat to oust them. Just so next term you can maybe nominate a liberty like minded candidate.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:55pm
  @Resme, Wow man, I didn’t realize that they hung the anti-Semite tag on her. It’s really starting to get old. I’ve read everything she’s written and watched every interview available, and I don’t recall her even discussing any of those issues. This is really starting to get old. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been called that on the Blaze and I have no idea why. Has to just be a tactic. The establishment GOP must be so proud of themselves acting like Al Sharpton. I wouldn’t figure any rino would debate her though. She’s sharp, and would DESTROY any rino in a debate. I guess you’re right about how to get rid of them. I’m still trying to sort out who I’m voting for to get rid of Stivers in Ohio. All of Ohio representatives need replaced.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:02am
  @just, It’s nearly impossible to oust a congressman that’s won for several terms, You really have to have a democrat win to get rid of them. People just do not care, 90% of the people on the blaze do not get involved anymore than the presidential election. They go into the booth see the “r” pull the lever, If it didn’t say “r” next to the name they would get confused and pull the lever for Obama.
  
  My local news station WDBJ7 barely even gave karen coverage it was Ron Paul type blackout. They would repeat local favorite Bob Goodlatte running for congress. He ran on Term Limits that’s the funny part.
  
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nobull14
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:33am
Turn off the porch light and listen to the crickets ?. The Paulbots just fade away.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:43am
  Actually we’re having a discussion on Tom Wood’s forum on what we’re going to do next. There are plenty of good leaders of the liberty movement left. RP inspired a lot of people. The judge is my personal favorite at the moment and he’s still heavily involved. LibertyPac is kicking off later this month in New York. The Liberty Movement isn’t going to die. I have a feeling it will grow as more and more people get pissed off from infringes by the federal government in everything they do.
  
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- Edward53
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 4:29pm
  You’re right, NOBULL. Turn on the porch light and you will also see the Ron Paul cockroaches scatter. Hey NOBULL, go to factreal.wordpress.com/tag/ron-paul and read some interesting facts about what the real Ron Paul is really like. Please read the whole page.
  
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Tankertony
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:31am
Thats ok. Most Paulistinians are going to vote for obummer anyways. Their inner rage is much more at home in the democrat party.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:47am
  How can you make such and assertion from outside the movement? There are many strategies being discussed, none of them include voting for Obama. Gary Johnson seems to be the number one choice, followed by abstaining, voting Virgil Goode or writing in Dr. Paul. I haven’t seen one post from anyone within the liberty movement saying they were going to vote for Obama.
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:38am
  well JUST, many people who are outside the movement say things like that because of the level of anger and hate that comes from a LOT of RPers towards ANYONE that doesn’t support them fully. One this thread alone there must be a dozen posts about how “stupid” “neocons” are and how much smarter you guys are than all of us. You have always seemed level headed to me, but a LOT of your fellow “Liberty Movement” people are really hateful and arrogant.
  
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TJeff1
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:29am
When the government boot is on your neck, it does not matter left or right.

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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:08am
  And this is what far too many of our countrymen do not understand.
  
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afishfarted
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:24am
If only the Paul-bots could see the logic at this juncture and not write him in. It took decades for the sleeping silent majority to wake up. We can take our country back and we will. We just can’t afford a third party now if we want to get rid of the marxist this time around

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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:37am
  Most aren’t going to write him. They’re going to support Gary Johnson, although there are calls for him to team up with Johnson or run as an independent, which isn’t going to happen. This is the perfect time to establish a third party. Romney and Obama are so similar on every meaningful issue that it doesn’t really make a difference which one wins. The republicans changed the rules making our voices non-existent in the future. If we get a certain percentage of the vote in the general we can have our own legitimate party. One not filled with corrupted progressive internationalists. I’m not so much voting for 2012 as 2016 because I don’t want to deal with the GOP ever again. At least until they clean their act up significantly.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:26am
  “We can take our country back and we will. We just can’t afford a third party now if we want to get rid of the marxist this time around.”
  
  Well what about the fascists/corporatists on the left and right? I read some intelligent and insightful comments on the Blaze from people who declare their support for the establishment, but I cannot figure out why or how these intelligent people do not see the BS being pulled on them by both sides. Ryan’s budget plan only adds what… $8 trillion over the next 10 or 11 years? That’s SO much better than the added $11 trillion proposed by Obama’s plan! Sadly, no one else has the balls to be honest about what’s needed to seriously put a stop to the destruction of our country, and too many people laughed at him when he talked about the how and why of ending the wars (we can’t afford it), ending the Fed (because they rob everyone blind through inflation, hand over trillions to their buddies and punish the poor the most), and that maybe we should (GASP) restore/respect civil liberties… But keep believing that Romney and Ryan are going to save us… that they won’t kiss the glutes of the same corporate and bankster masters that Obama has.
  
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Captain77
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:18am
So lets look at what we now have. By looking at policy alone, there is little to no difference between Obama and Romney. Though this will piss many of you Blaze people off, its an easily provable fact. Ironically, the one man who actually subscribes to the U.S. Constitution as many “republicans” claim they have a desire to return to was snubbed at every turn. Most of you probably aren’t aware of the dirty tricks that have been pulled as many of you here don’t get involved with politics much more than the voting booth on election day. I urge you all to first educate yourself on the very law you wish this nation to return to, that being the U.S. Constitution; then find your values and principles derived from the such; then get involved in the election process at a more active level than just voting on election day. If you do this, not only will you have a greater appreciation for what our forefathers have given us, you will also come to a painful realization as to just how far we have drifter from it and the corruption that is preventing a return to it. May God bless America, and may we survive whatever is to come.

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- Coelitus
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:09pm
  “Easily provable fact”
  
  So prove it for us. Its easy, right? You have 1500 characters.
  
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huey6367
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:16am
It sounds as if he came to his senses – regarding a third party run. He is still out in left field otherwise.

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- Kupo
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:51am
  Ah yes, the Constitution! so far out in left field.
  
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justangry
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:16am
“…and if you ever come to a conclusion, heaven forbid that the two parties aren’t all that different, then what is left?”

I’ve come to that conclusion a while back. Long before I even knew who RP was. Each cycle they seem to get closer to one another too.

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- barber2
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:12am
  JUST: That is a ridiculous statement. The two parties have never been farther apart. Marxism versus capitalism. In God We Trust versus There is no God. You must be a Lefty Troll.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:35am
  Barber2, you might be a little more careful in displaying your astounding ignorance of the political landscape and the differences between right and left. There is an enormous difference between party rhetoric and party action. Dems are typically anti-war, and Obama campaigned on ending the wars, then escalated our military interventionism. He took it a step further and performed extra-judicial assassinations on 3 American citizens, including a 16-year old boy. He campaigned on punishing the bankster thieves for their bonuses and fat cat status while we all struggled, and then courted them for campaign contributions. No one has been punished for the fraud committed by the banks, the Fed and the Treasury Dept under Obama. He is a servant to the corporatocracy and the military industrial complex, just like Romney will be. Neither side is committed to what our country was founded on… There is no comittment to individual liberty or property rights. There is no serious plan to eliminate the debt or even the deficit in the next decade. Do you realize your saviors Romney and Ryan only want to add $8 trillion to the debt obligation your kids and grandkids already have, instead of ending the deficit and eliminating the debt? The lack of insight and willful ignorance continues to astound me.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 6:09pm
  Barber, They are both central planners. Keynesian economists. Keynes was a Fabian Socialist. The federal reserve is stealing wealth and redistributing it to the very rich. It’s guaranteed to collapse so they can forge their perfect society. They seem far apart to social conservatives (progressives) who don’t realize that both the left and right’s positions are progressive. Brother_Winston’s post are a bit aggressive for my taste, but accurate. I know you all want a Mormon in the White House. I’m not against that, but just pick a better Mormon. And stop being a dick and calling me a lefty troll. I’m a libertarian leaning Constitutionalist and I’ve never claimed to be anything different. I don’t like the RNC because they’ve become too liberal, progressive and blood thirsty since the Neocons took over. In other words they’ve become fascists. If the progressive can’t be purged from the GOP I hope the party dies.
  
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The cable guy
Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:11am
Ron we are a Republic not a Democracy.

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- huey6367
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:17am
  Missed that but true.
  
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- Captain77
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:20am
  Ron Paul knows this, and everything else about the Constitution better than you do. Do you really want to try to go head to head with the man on this issue. You would look the great fool if attempted the such.
  
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- TJeff1
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:28am
  Correction we WERE are Republic we NOW more resemble a Democracy.
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 10:40am
  Not as of April 24, 1863 — unless I missed Andrew Johnson’s Executive Order rescinding Gerenal Orders 100…had it been so — there would be no need for the ** 2nd ** Organic Acts of 1871/74 — What we have now appears to function much the way a democratic monarchy does… Me thinks they co-exist…. ;-) Gotta be a reason!
  
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- usedCZARsalesman
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 11:19am
  CAPTAIN, you’ve used “the such” in multiple posts…is that a correctly used term that I’m just not familiar with? Or you just make it up? (serious question)
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 5, 2012 at 12:22pm
  tell the republicans we are a republic and not a dictatorship
  http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/dean-clancy/romneys-rnc-power-grab-what-happened
  
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