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Sep. 6, 2012 10:18am Billy Hallowell

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Tonight, Glenn Beck will be doing a special episode on the Mormon faith, a show that he admits he has “not wanted to do.” Nevertheless, the radio and television host is tired of seeing the religion being misrepresented in media. So, he’ll be taking viewer questions in an effort to help Americans better understand central underpinnings and attributes of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

“I’m tired of watching the press go to people who have never been at a Mormon temple, don’t have any idea what it is — they’re not members of the faith, or they’re disgruntled members of the faith,” Beck said on his radio show Thursday. “And for them to go off and tell people complete and total lies, fabrications or half-truths.”

Glenn Beck Invites Viewers to Submit Questions for Mormon TV Episode

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The popular host also expressed his frustration with “people mocking things” that they don’t quite understand. When it comes to faith, regardless of whether one agrees with a particular viewpoint, Beck called it offensive to poke fun at religion.

“Tolerance comes from understanding first and tonight I’m just taking your questions,” he told listeners, going on to say that this will be a one time special (Blaze readers who have interest in submitting questions can do so by e-mailing them to mormon101 (at) theblaze.com — but be sure to use the “@” sign).

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shiloh1966
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:26am
My question would be “Do Mormons consider themselves to be another Christian denomination?”

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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:33am
  No. We consider the Church to be the restored Church of Christ on earth. We are not part of any denomination. We believe in God the Father, his Son, Christ (our Savior).
- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:38am
  The answer will be Yes, as they are trying to deceive the general population that they are the same.
  Though they believe in multiple gods and that you can become a god, and go out into the universe a populate it with multiple wives. Even Islam does not believe in multiple gods. Also in Islam you can get 72 virgins, but in Mormonism it sounds like you can get more in order to populate a whole new earth.
  If Glenn beck wants to help not have the Mormon faith blow up on Mitt, he should not draw any more attention to it, as it will only add flames to the fire. It will be a good election for Gary Johnson, and the Freedom Movement.
  
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- ReaganBaby
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:42am
  We consider ourselves Christians
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:46am
  They believe that the Christian faith is fallen and that the mormon church is the reformed REAL church.
  
  They are not Christian by any sense of the word as is about to be exposed by the resurrection/rapture 1 Thes 4:13-18 & 1 Cor 15:50-55
  
  They teach that Christ was the 1st born of the spirit and that He and Lucifer are spirit brothers. They also teach that God was once a man that evolved into a God.
  
  They are nothing more than a cult
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:47am
  We do consider ourselves Christians, and thus we are another denomination of Christianity. However, we are not an offshoot or “sect” of traditional Christianity, and as AreYouAPuppet pointed out, we believe our Church is a restoration of the ancient Church of Jesus Christ, which we believe fell into apostasy.
  
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- goldmind
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:52am
  There is only one letter, separating the truth about religion and politics. Mormon/Moron. Can you find the letter? Whatever god you worship, has no place in the challenges we face as a Nation. Your faith, should be personal. Therefore, I care less if Romney is a Mormon. Tis the morons, I’m concerned with. Morons (iq aside), lack sound judgement, and we have quite a few in office right now.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:01pm
  @FAtfreedom – How are we deceving anyone? Ask me any question and I’ll be honest and true as the other LDS members on this forum. You say we believe in multiple Gods (name one of them we believe in – I sure cant). Are their multiple Gods throughout the Galaxies – yes. Is there only one we should believe in and worship – yes. Is there only one Savior for us (yes). Do I care about the multiple gods spread throughout the galaxies (no) – I’m to busy loving and praying to the one that I worship.
  Can man become like their Heavely Father – yes (but thats far far away). Can you have more than one wife (possiblly). Only if God commands and that man and woman are righteous and loving and follow God’s commandments.
  
  You say adding flames to the fire. You are adding flames and the fire by the tone of your comments. I invite all readers to start with the basics (milk before meat) then progress in your knoweldge. Remember, Christ had to teach in PARABLES because his doctrine was so controversial. He inflamed many by his teachings because many people couldn’t comprehend it.
  
  Now I take one last point: Assuming I was an atheist and you were a Christian – you believe ONE man died for all our sins. How do you think that sounds to a non-christian. Now take that same line of thought with what you wrote. Open your hearts, spirits and minds, learn more – read more – do away with the old traditions you’ve been taught and ask God with all your heart as you learn what is truth and what is
  
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- Polarized America
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:05pm
  Who are the true Mormons ?
  
  The LDS .., denounces their Founders life stiles..ie plural Marriage
  
  yet…the FLDS approves of plural Marriage, and they’re considered wing-nuts (it’s confusing)
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:13pm
  MARVEL
  
  The mormon church is NOT Christian by any sense of the word.
  
  You call Christ the first created spirit being and that Lucifer is his brother. This a is a flat out contradiction of the bible and I can assure you God was not once a man that evolved into a God
  
  You teach that mormon men can evolve into gods, this is another outright contradiction to the bible.
  
  You claim that you have apostle as leader when in fact all apostles were HEBREWS, AND all apostles received their apostleship from CHRIST HIMSELF. In other words they were taught by Christ
  
  You teach that native Americans are Hebrews when in fact they are not.
  
  You dare challenge the bible on these issues?????
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:29pm
  The doctrine that is binding upon Church members ‘resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith.’ (see http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine)
  
  The idea of an “infinite regress of Gods”, or the idea that God the Father has a father, and his father has a father, and so forth, is not currently supported by scripture and is a speculative theory that some latter-day saints have subscribed to (see http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_the_nature_of_God/Infinite_regress_of_Gods). It is not a doctrine that enjoys any amount of official sanction in our canon. There is no direct mention of other gods in any of our scriptures before God the Father, in fact, our scriptures appear unequivocal that God is the God of all that exists (see http://classic.scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/19/1-3#1).
  
  However, there is no doubt that Mormon doctrine teaches that mankind is the offspring of God and our potential is to become like Him and continue His works, thereby glorifying His name (see D&C 132:63). I believe there is no other God and no other Christ, and that the Atonement is both infinite and eternal for all mankind, and that “by him [Christ], and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.” (D&C 76:24).
  
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- k_law
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Hi Shiloh, I posted this link earlier but for some reason it is not up yet so here it is again. This came out today and will more than answer your question. http://www.str.org/site/DocServer/DigitalSG_0912.pdf?docID=6601&autologin=true
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:35pm
  Great Question!
  
  The answer is absolutely, positively, YES!
  
  Of course each denomination will have their differences, BUT all Christian denominations share the common faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior.
  
  The title “Christians” was a name first given to believers in Jesus Christ at Antioch in Syria, about A.D. 43 (Acts 11:26). Today, the same definition rings true – a Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ. I can promise you that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in Jesus Christ. :)
  
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- deerjerkydave
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:41pm
  Mormonism is a branch of Christianity called restorationism. It doesn’t have ecclesiastical roots in any traditional Christian denomination. Rather it claims its authority from heavenly messengers who restored it to the earth to the prophet Joseph Smith. The main argument of restorationism is that all of traditional Christianity has lost its way from the original Christian church and therefore Christ needed to restore his gospel and church. And yes, Mormons can point to Bible verses to back up these claims.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorationism#Latter_Day_Saints
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:42pm
  Question: Deut 4:2-Deut 12;32-pROV 30:6-Rev 22:18….All tell us that the bible is finished and perfect. We are instructed to not add nor detract from the scripture. I believe the LDS have done this in spades. Have the Mormans added to the scripture? How could this be correct?
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:43pm
  @polarized america,
  
  Another great question!
  
  I can assure you I, as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do NOT condemn our early Prophets and members for practicing polygamy. I do not conemn them any more than I would condemn earlier prophets for doing the same thing as directed by God (e.g. Abraham, Moses, Jacob, etc.). However, just as at times polygamy was authorized by God and at other times prohibited in the Bible, so it is today prohibited.
  
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- k_law
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:46pm
  Read “One Nation Under Gods” by Richard Abanis. This is a well written, very well researched and sourced book. remember the truth is still the truth even if you deny it.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:49pm
  DEERJERKEYDAVE
  
  Utter and complete rubbish. Mormonism is cult that claims superiority of the scriptures. I doubt if you can even fathom the depth of utter ignorance that you just typed.
  
  Prove to US that you can show us where these events took place according to the BOM??? Can you?? The answer is NO and you know it.
  
  Mormonism contradicts the bible at every turn and therefore Mormonism is not Christian. If you contradict the bible then you contradict CHRIST Himself. Christ is GOD and the author of the SCRIPTURES
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:52pm
  My question to Glenn: What makes you think I want to watch a special about the Mormon faith?
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:55pm
  @Gonzo – LOL – as usual! :)
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:57pm
  @THERAPTURECOMES: “The mormon church is NOT Christian by any sense of the word”
  
  No but the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is “Christian” by any “sense of the word”.
  
  THERAPTURECOMES: “You call Christ the first created spirit being and that Lucifer is his brother. This a is a flat out contradiction of the bible and I can assure you God was not once a man that evolved into a God”
  
  Well the Bible does say that Jesus is the Son of God. Christ himself says “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” (John 20:17). If God is omnipotent, who do you think created Lucifer? Was Lucifer not a son of the morning, and did he not fall from grace (Isa. 14:12)? “son” being the key word here. Why don’t you show me how our doctrine “contradicts the Bible?
  
  THERAPTURECOMES: You teach that mormon men can evolve into gods, this is another outright contradiction to the bible.
  
  It’s only a contradiction if you ignore what the Bible says about the matter. Read for yourself in John 17:20-24. I guess you will have to redefine terms like “one” and “glory” to come to the conclusion you have come to.
  
  …more to come
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:58pm
  THERAPTURECOMES: You claim that you have apostle as leader when in fact all apostles were HEBREWS, AND all apostles received their apostleship from CHRIST HIMSELF. In other words they were taught by Christ.
  
  Not true, if you read your Bible, you would learn that Matthias, for example was called and ordained by revelation to replace Judas by the other Apostles under the direction of Peter, the lead apostle (Act 1:12-26). This set the pattern for apostolic succession. You will then find it interesting to note that Peter, James, and John appeared to Joseph Smith and ordained him an apostle (D&C 27:12). I don’t know where you are getting the idea that apostles must only be Hebrew, but you should know that even the Bible teaches that those baptized into the Church become Abraham’s seed (Gal. 3:24-29).
  
  THERAPTURECOMES: You dare challenge the bible on these issues?????
  
  Clearly I’m not challenging the Bible on these issues, since it seems to be in harmony with my beliefs. I think maybe your knowledge and understanding of the Bible is being challenged here.
  
  All you have done is asserted your position without anything to back it up. If you are going to engage in this conversation, you need to do a little better than that.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:10pm
  MARVEL
  
  Mormonism is fluid and it now is breaking away from the foundation as laid down by Joseph Smith and it was he whom said that God was once a man. Do you deny that God was once a man as taught by your founding prophet Joseph Smith???
  
  If you answer ‘YES’ to the above question then you have just contradicted your founding prophet and your version of god.
  
  A prophet of God cannot be WRONG on any point because to be a prophet is to be spokesmen for god. In other words, the information received is from GOD and not the prophet.
  
  The mormon church has no prophets in all actuality because all prophets are HEBREWS
  
  But back to the point, if you deny the teachings of Joseph Smith then you deny your god.
  
  Tell me, are most men going to heaven? Yes or No? and if yes is this CURRENT LDS doctrine?
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:16pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  I’m not going to answer any more of your questions until you either admit that I pwned your hiney on the last set of unfounded accusations, or you spend some time responding to them properly.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:35pm
  @MAX
  I don’t know if you realize this, but you said a scripture in Deut. claims that the Bible is complete. Duet. was written before all of the New Testament, I would hate to stop at Duet. Also, The Revelation of ST John the Divine was a book itself, written before the completion of the Bible being put together and even before the completion of some of the epistles. The Bible as we have it now is a compilation from the early Catholic church of many books. They chose which ones should go as well as which ones shouldn’t go (anyone ever wonder how songs of solomon made the cut?). When John spoke of adding to or taking away from “THIS” book, he was referring to his book. He didn’t have the Bible as we have it now sitting in his lap with the end blank just waiting for him to fill it in. Hope that helps
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:37pm
  MARVEL
  
  Mathias
  
  Name means = Gift of the Lord
  
  Origin of the name = HEBREW
  
  Mathias was a Hebrew man
  
  Prophets were chosen of by God to speak to the nation of Israel.
  
  The law and the prophets ended at John Luke 16:6 . This where prophecy ends and PREACHING begins through the SCRIPTURES 2 Tim 3:16, Romans 15:4, 2 Peter 1:20-21
  
  The apostles recorded through the Holy Spirit the NT. The completed work of the bible is the end to all scriptures and there are no other books but the bible.
  
  How is it that you can claim the bible and do not understand Luke 16:16
  
  If the prophets stopped at John, then how is it you claim apostles and prophets?
  
  How is it that the apostles were all HEBREW and were taught by Christ that you now claim any sort of apostles as your teachers and leaders?
  
  You want to know why? Because they are all FAKES and you want the ability for your leaders to make decrees with some form of authority. The funny thing is, you stab yourselves in your own backs because as has been seen by the world.
  
  From one generation to the next your apostles and prophets change their beliefs.
  
  Example, Joseph Smith, your founding prophet taught that god was once a man and now the new modern LDS deny this teaching.
  
  That would be like the Jews saying in a modern setting that Moses was incorrect
  
  UTTER STUPIDITY
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:40pm
  K Law;
  First off, it is true that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does NOT follow “classic” or “traditional” christianity. There’s no secret about that. But it is Christian in the deepest sense. Second of all “One Nation Under Gods” is a poorly written book on the LDS Church and unsupportable on many accounts.
  
  http://en.fairmormon.org/One_Nation_Under_Gods
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:41pm
  @marvel
  
  lol – that was classic! :)
  
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- joejohey
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:46pm
  @MAX JONES – (In answer to your question about “adding to or taking away from” God’s word) Here is an article (kind of lengthy) but should answer your question completely about what is meant by the scriptures you listed, a background to them, and reasoning on why God (not man) can add to his word.
  http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1981/04/no-man-shall-add-to-or-take-away
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:52pm
  CORRECTION
  
  The law and the prophets ended at John = Luke 16:16
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:53pm
  @RAPTURE
  I hope you don’t mind if I add to the ownage you are receiving from Marvel.
  You say that prophets ended after Jesus died, but you conveniently skip over AGABUS. agabus never gets any love LOL. Acts 11:27 “And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch (notice plural for prophets!). And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” I think I’m going to name my next son Agabus since nobody every knows about him.
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:00pm
  Perhaps those getting caught up in the cult comments and others who are not sincerely seeking answers to the LDS doctrine should start with Mark 9:38-50 then move to John 10:1-20
  
  then read this from mormon.org – Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ’s mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter. When he turned 30, He began a three-year ministry of teaching, blessing, and healing the people of the Holy Land. He also organized His Church and gave His apostles “power and authority” ( Luke 9:1 ) to assist in His work.
  
  But what do we mean when we say He is the Savior of the world? The Redeemer? Each of these titles point to the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way by which we can return to live with our Heavenly Father…….
  
  We can argue over this or we can keep the unity of the Church as Jesus told us.
  
  When we get to heaven, if this battle still matters once we are in His glorius presence – feel free to ask Him just remember how he answered already…..
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:26pm
  Glenn’s timing is interesting as I was just looking up LDS beliefs this morning trying to understand why anyone (please do not be offended, Mormons, as none is intended) believes in the teaching. I am truly not intending to be divisive and hate to “hit and run” on this article. I have never understood how LDS members can believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith. While you may dig up some of the controversies about the author, Evangelical Christian questions about the LDS faith run along these lines:
  
  http://www.equip.org/articles/the-basics-of-mormonism/
  
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- SweetJoe
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:29pm
  the above hateful comments are what is driving glenn to make this show. WE are sick of the 1% that hate Mormons spreading their garbage to the world, in this case specifically using Romney’s faith to make him look bad. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT MORMONS, WATCH TONIGHT!
  
  by the christian definition of christian any faith that worships from more than just the bible is not a “christian” church, basically there is a part of the christian world that doesnt want us in their club. that is the root of why ppl claim that we are not christian, not because we dont believe in Christ and the bible but because that is what their religion tells them, its about politics and money, not beliefs. the Mormon church is a threat to most christian churches in that if we are right, they are wrong, also if ppl join us they lose money.
  now, if you’re expecting Glenn to reveal every detail about the temple and the concept of exaltation you are wasting your time. when you understand the basic principles of Mormon belief, such as that we are literal spirit children of god, everything becomes so simple our children understand it.
  if you walk into a Toyota dealer and ask about a ford what are you going to hear? if you want the truth about the Mormon church why would you ask a non-Mormon POLITICIAN? of all ppl! lol might as well ask him to tell a truth.
  
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- SnowKalBebes
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:34pm
  My question: Why are Mormon’s posthumously baptize non-Mormon’s?
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:44pm
  @Theraptur,
  With all the love of a brother in Christ, please don’t take this the wrong way, but you need a remedial reading lesson.
  In your passage, Christ is cited speaking to a bunch of Pharisees who didn’t want to believe Christ fulfilled the prophecies about Him from the law (the 5 books of Moses), and the prophets (the post-Song of Solomon books in the OT). There is no call in that passage for somehow believing that God no longer uses the same means He always has for communicating instructions to His children (i.e. through mortal mouthpieces called prophets).
  The only way to arrive there is to twist the meaning of the word “preach” as if somehow the prophets from the OT WEREN’T doing that.
  Christ’s message wasn’t that there would be no more messages to the Jews. It was that the Pharisees should believe what He, John, and the apostles (who are also prophets) were telling them JUST AS they should believe in the OT prophets they professed to revere so much.
  p.s. If you want to claim no need for Apostles, you’ll have to reject selected passages of the book YOU claim to revere so much (Pharisee-like, no?). Like Paul (POST-Luke, no?) preaching that the Church was built on the foundations of apostles (and prophets…) in Eph 4: 11-14 or Eph 2:20, or 1 Cor. 12:28.
  
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- SweetJoe
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:52pm
  baptism for the dead? head over to mormon.org or lds.org and read up on “the spirit world”.
  in short, god’s work does not stop when you die. also its done by proxy, someone is baptized for that name of the diseased. and in this spirit world noone is forcing those ppl to accept the baptism, they can reject it if that is their choice, just like on earth. but not everyone had the chance during their life time to be baptized. anyway, i’d rather ppl do their own research and learn the “why” for themselves, as opposed to me acting like a Mormon Google and trying to answer a question in two sentences. srry :)
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:57pm
  The LDS .., denounces their Founders life stiles..ie plural Marriage
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  They had to so Utah could achieve Statehood
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:06pm
  Max jones
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:42pm
  
  Question: Deut 4:2-Deut 12;32-pROV 30:6-Rev 22:18….All tell us that the bible is finished and perfect. We are instructed to not add nor detract from the scripture. I believe the LDS have done this in spades. Have the Mormans added to the scripture? How could this be correct?
  ————————-
  Because one Man, Joseph Smith reportedly found golden tablets(location shown to him by an angel, that told of Jesus Christ’s testimony to Native Indians. No one else ever saw these tablets. Joeseph Smith and his brother made a living by partly telling peoples fortunes, and got paid by people to find buried fortunes by “seeing” them in a crystal.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:13pm
  JOEY8
  
  Agabus
  
  Agabus means = LOCUST
  
  Root = HEBREW
  
  Agabus was a Hebrew
  
  The law and the prophets ended at John for the HEBREWS, The Hebrew Law and Prophets were for the Hebrews. Acts 15 clearly teaches the law was not given to the gentiles because the gentile were under the natural law of the conscience knowing right fro wrong Romans 2:14
  
  You are dealing with two separate and distinct dispensations.
  
  The Hebrew law and Hebrew prophets were to the Hebrews. They rejected Christ and His kingdom.
  
  The apostles were the recipients through the Holy Spirit the authors of the NT. They prophesied and recorded those porpoises and wrote them down for any whom will believe upon Christ Romans 10:9-10, John 3:18 (church) because in Christ there is neither Jew Nor Greek (gentile) Gal 3:28, Col 3:11
  
  (1) The Law and the prophets meant for the Jews
  
  (2) The NT under the apostles who wrote the NT and recorded all the prophet future events for the CHURCH
  
  (3) During the 7 year tribulation the focus will return to ISRAEL (Daniels 70th week, Time of Jacobs trouble)
  
  (4) Law and the prophets to the Hebrews CLOSED
  (5) NT begins under the apostles all of whom were Hebrew and the gospel BEGINS and the church prophets writes the NT under the Holy Spirit where future prophecy is recorded
  
  GET IT
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:41pm
  71Boogers;
  
  “The LDS .., denounces their Founders life stiles..ie plural Marriage
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  They had to so Utah could achieve Statehood”
  
  The LDS do not “denounce” the polygamy of their founders, only no longer recognize its practice. The LDS believe in and follow *living* revelation. Previous to the revelatio which ended polygamy, there were numerous offers to end it in order to receive statehood. And despite the LDS self-imposed exhile, they always wanted to be part ofthe US. However, every offer for statehood constituted that polygamy would be banned were flat out rejected by both the LDS leadership and citizenry of Utah. The revelation finally came after much persecution upon the LDS leaders by the federal government and in which revelation it said that if polygamy did not end, than the work of the establishment of the kingdom of God would come to a halt. Not only did the LDS ban polygamy but it also nullified all polygamous marriages. That was no small task, especially when kids were involved. When you head up an organization equal to that of the LDS Church then I’d like to hear from you about how nice and easy it is to change policies which directly impact families of this magnitude.
  
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- RockofLove
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:48pm
  A good place to start reading is the Awesome research of the Tanners . Sandra was the Great-Great Granddaughter of Brigham Young: Read Changing World of Mormonism. I was a Latter Day Saint for over 23 years. My eyes were opened about 6 years ago. Born Again. If Glenn would come to see that Joseph Smith was just another Obama , that he was a control freak right down to the underwear(Temple Garments) we had to wear ,who one day hope to be KING and President, he would realize that any who proclaim the office of prophet are all false after Christ bore our sins on the cross and paved the way for salvation by GRACE. (Please read Luke 16:16) Gifts of prophecy are another matter . Please read the following Book. http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm
  
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- RockofLove
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:50pm
  http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.htm. Please read.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:56pm
  HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN
  
  As per the norm, a mormon gives scriptures and then twists them totally out of context in some deranged attempt at showing bible knowledge. I find it amusing that you try and use scriptures that come from a mormon understanding and not a biblical understanding.
  
  In each case you are looking at a precise order given.
  
  Lets take one verse and I will show you how this works. Eph 4:11-14 We have the apostles in founding the churches and yes there are those that would receive a word of knowledge from God an act as a prophet but not in the sense as it was with the Hebrews prior to Christ.
  
  Those would act as the mouth of God in an ongoing basis and you will note there seemed to be only ONE AT A TIME.
  
  Anyway. The apostles accomplished the task given (1) Start the church (2) Write the NT (3) Train up coming teachers and deacons and elders.
  
  This continues to this day through the scriptures but you will note it is through the WRITTEN SCRIPTURES.
  
  There are no more apostles and if you claim otherwise then you had better do better than citing verses that you don’t understand and any mormon claiming to be an apostle is a fraud. All apostles were HEBREWS
  
  Eph 4:11-14 shows a precise order to things that the apostles laid out but once they died, the apostolic did not pass on. It was written in the scriptures and that is our guide and not some delusional mormon teaching
  
  I tell you now and as blunt as the apostles, the mormons are wolves in she
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:07pm
  Rapture(anti-stupid)comes;
  
  John 16:16 says, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
  
  Are you saying that John the Baptist was the last prophet? What are you talking about?
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:08pm
  I was told by a Mormon that the Mormon Church teaches that it was a GOOD tging when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge, of Good and Evil , as it gave them the knowledge to procreate. Is this what the Mormon Church teaches? If so, HOW can it be a GOOD thing, since GOD says” IF you eat of this tree, you shall surely die. You may eat of ALL the other trees, in the garden[including the TREE OF LIFE], but not of THIS ONE!
  Question: How can disobeying GOD be a GOOD thing?
  Question: How can death be a GOOD thing?
  This is the FIRST Lie of satan, and IF the Mormon Church teaches such, it is following satan, NO?
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:11pm
  @rapture
  Man, how much rationalizing can one guy do. Where are you coming up with this stuff? So you are saying there can be prophets now but their names have to be Hebrew names? LOL! You’re pulling a lot out of the John 16 verse. Would you argue that God can choose anybody he wants to be his mouthpiece? I think you are confusing yourself here, the gospel of Christ isn’t that complicated. You specifically said “that is when prophecy ended” and I showed you flat out that you were wrong but you refuse to acknowledge it. How do you expect anyone to take you serious?
  
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- Harold2009
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:15pm
  I agree with FatFreedom. Glenn, you need to watch “The GodMakers”. It is an eye opener. A Morman who converted to Christianity made the film. Mormanism is a Cult.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:23pm
  Rapture;
  
  “Mormonism is cult that claims superiority of the scriptures.”
  
  You *deifitely* cannot claim “superiority” to scriptures. Just reading your posts make that abundantly clear.
  
  “The mormon church has no prophets in all actuality because all prophets are HEBREWS ”
  
  The LDS Church is the fulfillment of the promise God made to Abraham and renewed with Isaac and Jacob. The LDS rituals, especially the temple date as far back as ancient Isreal’s first and second temple eras. As pointed to you earlier, Jesus and the apostles were Hebrew and remained so in worship and practice as they folowers of Jesus saw Him as fulfilling Hebrew prophecy. As theologian and ancient temple scholar Margaret Barker says, Jesus restored a corrupted for of temple worship. that is why so many Jews followed him: the recognized that He taught worship as it should have been. It also explains, according to Barker, why so many Jews rejected Him: they believed in the corrupt traditions of temple worship and thus left no room for a “Son of God” to exist in their theology.
  
  “A prophet of God cannot be WRONG on any point ”
  
  That is so patently false it’s laughable. especially from one purporting that the LDS reject the Bible. Saying that prophets are not “WRONG on any point” is absurdly not biblical.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:32pm
  DARREN
  
  The law and the prophets ended at John as in John the baptist. Hebrew had their prophets whom spoke to them from God. There is only one prophet dealing the nation of Israel at a time. This was exclusively for the Hebrews.
  
  John was the last of these prophets unto the Hebrews.
  
  Messiah came and brought with Him the kingdom pf heaven. The Hebrews rejected this. It went to the Gentiles after the rejection and the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
  
  This started a whole new dispensation where the apostles and prophets were not excluded to the Gentiles.
  
  The apostles were the prophets and wrote down in scriptures as they were inspired to do by the Holy Spirit.
  
  We know the end game because I can pick up my bible and read the book of Revelation. I know what happened, what is happening and what is to happen
  
  Anyone professing to be an apostle I know automatically they are false. We have the Revelation by the apostles and need nothing else.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:32pm
  @Rapture
  You are looking at something that says “2+2=4″ and coming out with “2*7+4-10+(-4)=bubbles”
  Lets look at what ephesians actually says (this might be of more benefit to people actually interested in the truth):
  ” And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
  
  12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
  
  13 TILL WE ALL come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:”
  I added the emphasis to verse 13. So, Christ gave apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers and so forth for what purpose? Verse 12 tells us, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Next question, how long will Christ give us apostles and prophets and so forth? Verse 13 answers that. Till (until) we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of Christ. So he will give apostles and prophets until there is a unity in the faith. Are you going to try and argue that the unity happened then because the later epistles tell me the opposite. Are you going to argue that the unity happened after all the reformers broke off of the church?
  I never studied at a ministry but this stuff even I can get. Seems pretty simple to me. One Lord, one faith, one baptism
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:36pm
  Rapture;
  
  “A good place to start reading is the Awesome research of the Tanners .”
  
  I needed some good comic relief today. Thanks for offering some with that line.
  
  As for the Mayans, that’s the best geographic location in my mind available today. It provides a *very* probable setting for the Book of Mormon civilizations including the lands “northward”, the “narrow neck of land”, as well as rivers, seas, and wildernesses. If one settles on Mesoamerica being the place of the Book of Mormon than one may look for archeological clues there. There are many iron articfacts among the Olmecs (a probable place ofthe Jaredites), a certain King Kish which the Olmecs record and correlates with the same time a certain “Kish” waas mentionied in the Book of Mormon and very likely in the lineage of kings. The Yucatan also has pre-columbian horse remians (why nobody wants ot test them is beyond my understanding), and the final battle which ended the Nephite civilization correlates most accurately with a huge battle recorded inMayan history. In this battle both the Book of Mormon and the Mayan historical record report this war as being torturous, bloody, and vengeful.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:41pm
  (con’t);
  
  Here’s two excellent articles about applying Mayan history and understanding to the text of the Book of Mormon. The first is one which shows how using the mayan concept of directions (north, south, east, west) fit precisely to sorensen’s Mesoamerican model of the Book of Mormon. In other words, the Book of Mormon can be better understood as read similar to a Mesoamerican text. (Interesting). The second article is how a certain ritual of king coronation of the Mayans may help fill in thr nuances of the text of the Book of Mormon. The Mayans saw their kings as divine. The people of the Book of Mormon were admonished to look upon their Heavenly King (Jehovah) and take upon them His image as opposed otthe Mayans whose kings took upon themselves their divine gods.
  
  http://www.fairlds.org/fair-conferences/2012-fair-conference/2012-from-the-east-to-the-west-the-problem-of-directions-in-the-book-of-mormon
  
  http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/the-cultural-context-of-nephite-apostasy/
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:58pm
  “Rapture;
  
  “A good place to start reading is the Awesome research of the Tanners .””
  
  OOPS. The funny’s on me. That was “Rockoflove”, not “Raputre”. My bad. :>(
  
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- IbelongtoHIM
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:02pm
  My question is this…there are references to animals, plants, and metals in the Book of Mormon in it’s main story line, being roughly 600 BC to AD 400, excluding the Book of Ether, that were not present in the Americas (the New World) at that time. This has been proven by the Smithsonian Institute. What else was Joseph Smith wrong about?
  
  Also:
  Alma 7:10 states that Jesus shall be born in Jerusalem. The Bible says Bethlehem.
  Alma 46:15 states that believers were first called Christians about 73 BC. The Bible says in Acts 11:26 that this happened roughly AD 30, which is when the events in the book of Acts took place.
  
  The list goes on…too shady for me. Since eternity rests on it, I will stick to the Bible only.
  
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- Thordomr
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:03pm
  I’m baffled on your argument about the nationality of prophets. When there is a simple and plain example of what’s wrong with Mormon beliefs.
  
  The bible says that “the Lord our God is one Lord” and that God himself said “There is no God Beside Me” or “…before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” or “…Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I KNOW NOT ONE.” and in the teachings of Mormons it teaches that there weren’t just one god before him but a counsel of them and certainly will be more after him.Those things are a major contradiction not an addition to but a complete contradiction.
  
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- terriergal
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:08pm
  The answers are generally divided. Some aren’t even sure what they believe. But that is true of any religion. Technically no, they do not believe they are Christians. But there is much confusion today.
  
  But it’s easy enough to read what they currently believe online. However, since they do get continuing revelation and do not adhere to sola Scriptura, things can change over time.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:16pm
  Ladies and gentlemen I give you DARREN
  
  Everything that Darren claim’s is not SCRIPTURAL in any sense. He espouses the very things that make Mormonism a cult.
  
  He, like the rest of the cults will be left behind at the resurrection.rapture
  
  You should know that replacement theology is from satan and flee this cult as fast as you can before it is to late
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:27pm
  Just as some think we know al there is to know about Mayans. I bet you didn’t know this:
  
  “Archaeologists have discovered the ruins of an ancient Mayan city in the mountains of North Georgia believed to be at least 1,100 years old. According to Richard Thornton at Examiner.com, the ruins are reportedly what remains of a city built by Mayans fleeing wars, volcanic eruptions, droughts and famine.
  
  (snip)
  
  “UPDATE: Raw Story contacted another UGA Scientist, Dr. B. T. Thomas of the Department of Environmental Science, who indicated that, while it is unlikely that the Mayan people migrated en masse from Central America to settle in what is now the United States, he refused to characterize Thornton’s conclusions as “wrong,” stating that it is entirely possible that some Mayans and their descendants migrated north, bringing Mayan building and agricultural techniques to the Southeastern U.S. as they integrated with the existing indigenous people there.”
  
  Just goes to show how much “faith” one can place on archeology to “confirm” God’s word. Man’s science is limited and will always be limited. Not at all to say it is usless or should not be used but we should all remember to render unto God that which is God’s and unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar’s. Archeology is man’s science and therefore should not be rendered unto God for it is Ceasar’s.
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/22/1100-year-old-mayan-ruins-found-in-north-georgia/
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:35pm
  Is anyone else amazed at how many references there have been to “the Tanners” today??? I don’t think they’ve been mentioned once here before, but suddenly there are several people endorsing them today… just sayin… weird.
  
  I just hope the Tanners or their publisists aren’t trying to get free advertising here :)
  
  I hate to impeach the Tanners, but since they are being used as a primary resource for many people here today… here are a couple opposing views of the Tanners from non-mormons:
  
  Lawrence Foster, a non-Mormon historian who has written about the church, has written that, until the Tanners “are prepared to abide by accepted standards of scholarly behavior and common courtesy, they can expect little sympathy from serious historians.”
  
  Michael Quinn, a historian and former member of the LDS Church, takes issue with the Tanners’ work. He noted that, “although the most conscientious and honest researcher can overlook pertinent sources of information, the repeated omissions of evidence by the Tanners suggest an intentional avoidance of sources that modify or refute their caustic interpretation of Mormon history.”
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:38pm
  Everyone needs to listen to this interview if you want Mitt Romney to win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxYTDYyHlA&feature=youtu.be
  
  It stems from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE&feature=youtu.be
  
  If we do not do something about this soon, Romney will lose.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:02pm
  Rapture;
  
  “Everything that Darren claim’s is not SCRIPTURAL in any sense.”
  
  Thank you, thank you very much. You all have been so nice to me. let’s look at the infalibility of the prophets.
  
  “4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.” (Jonah 3). Nineveh was to be overthrown in forty days. period. Now let’s read the fulfillment of this prophesy how in forty days it was NOT overthrown: “10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; cand God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.” (Jonah 3). Obviously Jonah got it perfectly right, didn’t he? “1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.” (Jonah 4). Here jonah even got mad at God for not fulfilling the prophecy as Jonah declared. Obviously Jonah was a false prophet since God sent him as a prophet. Makes sense.
  
  In Jeremiah 344-5 we read that king Zedekiah would die in peace and have a great funeral procession just like the kings of olde. We read in Jeremiah 52:10-11 how zedekiah DIDN’T die in peace (unless you consider watching your kids get slaughtered and your eyes “put out” as “in peace”) and how there was no funerary arrengement made or realized. Obviously this prophet was fulfilled with “no errors”.
  
  http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophets.shtml#wrong
  
  Thanks again. You’ve all been a great audience.
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:06pm
  Mormonism is not a denomination of Christianity. It is a spiritual cult as defined of what a cult is.
  By cultism we mean the adherence to major doctrines which are pointedly contradictory to orthodox Christianity, yet which claim the distinction of either tracing their origin to orthodox sources or of being in essential harmony with those sources. Cultism, in short, is any major deviation from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith.
  A cult, then, is a group of people polarized around someone’s interpretation of the Bible and is characterized by major deviations from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith, particularly the fact that God became man in Jesus Christ.
  Thus we see the Mormons polarized around Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, Christian Scientists around Mary Baker Eddy, and the other groups around their respective leaders.
  Mormons declare that the Book of Mormon is a second testament of Jesus Christ. However, unlike the Bible, the Book of Mormon fails the tests of historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for its claims.
  Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone and was once a mortal man who evolved to become a god (counter: John 4:24; Malachi 3:6; Psalm 90:2).
  Mormons are polytheists and believe that all male Mormons can become gods themselves (counter: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
  Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan,
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:13pm
  Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, that he was conceived through physical relations between Father God and Mary, and that our salvation is not based solely on the cross and blood of Jesus Christ. Notice, you will never see a cross on a Mormon church or temple (counter: John 1:1-3; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35; 1 John 1:7-9; Colossians 1:19-20).
  Mormonism is a religion of works that denies the truth of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (counter: Ephesians 2:8-9; John 6:28-29).
  
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- Airbornedevildog
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:18pm
  @RCWT
  
  Your kidding right…
  If Adam and Eve did not partake of the fruit, you would still be a bodiless spirit in heaven while Adam and Eve were still living it up in the Garden. The plan of salvation could have never been started, we come to Earth to gain a body. Your time here is like a training ground, you make the right decisions and you return to heaven with a body.
  
  Again this would not be possible if Adam and Eve did not take the fruit. God actually gave Adam and Eve two commandments. One not to partake of the fruit and secondly to multiply and replenish the earth. If they chose to eat the fruit, they would be cast out of the Garden of Eden. But if they did not eat the fruit and remained in the garden, they would not be able to have children (to “multiply and replenish the earth”). Either way they had to break one of the two commandments.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:20pm
  Sonofthunder;
  
  “unlike the Bible, the Book of Mormon fails the tests of historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for its claims”
  
  Did you write that before or after reading my posts?
  
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- webpreacher
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:27pm
  Yes, Mormons do consider themselves to be christians, however, many of the “WORLD’S” religions do, and they are not. Christians are “Disciples” of Christ, Acts 11:26. Mormons, Beck being one, are disciples of Joseph Smith, founder of the “Later Day Saints” or Mormonism, circa @ 1820, Smith claimed to have had visions, and at some point an “Angel” appeared to him and lead him to some “golden plates” with some history of Christianity, according to Smith, who have no other witness to this story, which is NOT of God, Biblically speaking”. Smith then, based on these alleged golden plates, wrote, by himself, the “book of Mormon”. You should know also the Smith was a polygamist, Smith ended up being put in prison and was killed there in Carthage Illinois.
  Folks, ask yourselves this, Does this sound like a man of God, someone God would use, someone, which history does record, lead a troubled and questionable life ? Smith produced many revelations and other doctrines which were regarded as scripture by his followers, (not by God). He was regarded as a “prophet” by his followers (not by God), however Biblically speaking, ALL, thats ALL, of God’s Prophets in Holy Scripture (the KJV Bible) were all Hebrew men, ALL from God’s chosen People, Smith is English, not Hebrew, that is a red flag to any Student of God’s Word, the Bible kjv. God does NOT Change, Malachi 3:6, Also, God exposes a false prophet, which Smith is one, Deuteronomy 18:22 ! This verse exposes all
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:32pm
  Darren
  
  You are in a cult like Islam, catholicism or Buddhism. Repent and put your trust in Jesus of the Bible and not the one of Joseph Smith who is a kook. Magics dishes, underwear etc.
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:37pm
  THERAPTURCOMES –
  
  The term is ‘restored’ Church of Jesus Christ with the same organizational structure (i.e., Prophets and Apostles), authority (Priesthood) and divine revelation.
  
  Christ leads His Church – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints through a living Prophet today.
  
  Our faith in and devotion to Jesus Christ, the Creator and Savior of this world, is equal to that of the Saints of old. We are disciples of the Lord, Jesus Christ.
  
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- RossPoldark
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:38pm
  I have friends who are mormon. He and his wife have 7 lovely children. I admire their faith in Christ. I admire the modest and conservative attire for church services, instead of flip flops and cut offs, or other disrespectful attire for church, the women wear knee length dresses, and the men, either a suit or oxford shirt and pants. People might think, modest attire is not important to show reverence in the house of God, but then, God put his best foot forward for us. I do not mean people have to have competitions to see who wears the best designer clothes. K Mart is fine. In any case, the only aspect of Mormonism I have are with Joseph Smith, and Maroni. I was informed that mormon’s feel Smith had the remnant of God’s church which he felt he needed to restore, and of course the rest of Christiandom is condemned to hell, if we do not accept this. My answer to this is, that the mormons are wrong. God’s church never died, and certainly did not need Joseph Smith to restore it. God will always preseve his church, even if there is only 1 true Christian left standing. Further, there are many predictions in life that Joseph Smith made to his congregation that were never fulfilled. I as a Christian, will never cast judgement on another Christian denomination and say just because they do not hold to the same theological teachings as I do, they are going to hell. Only God knows his plans for us when we stand before him.
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:43pm
  There is no church that believes in Jesus Christ and his divinity and that he is GOD more so than the LDS church. No church that believe more strongly that Jesus Christ and what he did for us is our only path to salvation.
  
  Jesus Christ prayed just before his death that we could become one with the Father as he was one with the Father. What does “one with the Father” mean. No one can really answer that question. But Jesus Christ would not have prayed for something that would be impossible. Thus Jesus Christ himself in the bible taught that we could become like Jesus Christ one with the Father.
  
  We interpret that to mean when we achieve that we would be GOD as well. We do not believe that possible during our earthly life. We have no belief about how that would be possible at all. We do believe that ordinances in the Temple are required to start but only start that progression. We simply believe that GOD will tell us far more about what he meant in the next life.
  
  No one knows the mysteries of GOD. We make no claim to know them.
  
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- stmikearchangel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:53pm
  With God there is only one truth and it ain’t the mormon church. Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard are feeding the same crap sandwich.
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:57pm
  K_Law.
  
  Too funny. Your link has footnotes to it’s self. That is not acceptable. There is no 2,000 year long definition of Christian. If it existed it would have to be Catholic or Orthodox. But it does not.
  
  Denomination is also defined wrong. Your definition is made by groups simply to rule out those that they disagree with. But they rule themselves out as they broke off from the Catholics themselves being ex-communicated so thus no actual connection.
  
  By your narrow minded thinking. Yes the LDS Church has never claimed to have broken of from any other Christian Church. We claim Christ himself brought about our church. If you do not like that fine. But we are christian.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:00pm
  @Theraptur,
  As the Dread Pirate Roberts said to the Sicilian: truly you have a dizzying intellect…
  Eph. 4:11-14
  If. You. Read. The. Words. It’s. Pretty. Clear. The. Church. Christ. Established. Required. Apostles. Churches. That. Don’t. Have. Them. Are. THEREFORE. Not. Organized. Like. His.
  And I’m sorry for for a person who claims to be so biblically based, your explanation of why there’s no need for Apostles is decidedly NON-Biblical. Either make the argument with scriptures, or admit someone made it up and you’re just following along.
  And now for a lesson on context: Do you know what characterized the Ephesians and why Paul was writing to them? Do you know what debates within the church and what cultural influences were at play at the time? Who commissioned Paul to write such a letter, and how did it get transmitted?
  I know the answers to these questions, and know which ones are germane to our discussion.
  Paul needed to help this group of churches to remember their organizing principles, and the necessity of the Savior to make them one, and to heal the mostly cultural schisms among them. He reminded them that there’s only one true doctrine, and that it only gets disseminated by authorized representatives.
  You, sir, are the one blabbering aimlessly with no grounding in text OR context. You, sir, are the one claiming authority to interpret scripture, but then mix in all kinds of non-Biblical ideas. I support the Bible to your condemnation.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:06pm
  My posts with my video links are being booted to pages 6 and 7 and not in order from ‘NEWEST To OLDEST’
  
  I have tried twice and each time they are booted to the last pages while we have mormon apologetic links all over the place.
  
  This seems to be a common practice of discrimination by the Mormons that own this site.
  
  http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Plural Marriage.
  
  Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was the most true book on earth. It was translated correctly.
  
  Jacob Chapter 2 makes it crystal clear that plural marriage is always wrong and explains why it was and always will be an evil practice. You can not believe the Book of Mormon and Plural Marriage now or back in the 19th century. One would have to be false.
  
  I am lifetime LDS. No one I talk to in the church anymore makes any attempt to defend plural marriage. Joseph Smith got that wrong and D&C 132 is false. It is time for the church to make that official. Joseph Smith was also a Mason near his death. That is a very evil Baal organization. Spoken directly in the bible as evil. No wonder the Lord did not save his life.
  
  I have no doubt this is the true Church. The Book of Mormon is true. But prophets are men and all men sin. Joseph Smith never claimed to be perfect. He talked often about the fact he was not perfect. This church is here for Christ Second Coming and that is what is important.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Wow!
  
  The posts here are a perfect example of why Glenn is doing this!!!
  
  He’s doing this to clear up all the misconceptions out there regarding The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – he is NOT doing this to try to convert anyone or prove anyone right.
  
  My advise to all those out there bashing my religion –
  
  PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL EVERYONE YOUR OWN BELIEFS …BUT… PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ATTEMPTING TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE.
  
  Trust me, the conversation will be much more civil that way.
  
  Respectfully,
  
  P8riot :)
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:21pm
  The first lie told in the garden of Eden Genesis 5:3 You can be like God
  
  The mormon views this as a good thing and God labels it as rebellion and through that first like the curse was placed on man and all of creation.
  
  Bearing this in mind, what does mormonism teach? You can become a god with your own planet and will spend eternity making spiritual children as a god.
  
  What does God say about this? Deuteronomy 4:35, 32:39, Isaiah 44:5-6, Isaiah 43:10, Psalm 18:31
  
  Now read very carefully Isaiah 43:10 and realize what spiritual force is behind the mormons Gen 5:3
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:45pm
  @ Raptur,
  If you want to argue with doctrines you neither understand nor believe in, at least do yourself the favor of making sure to get the references right before you post on a public forum, or you look dishonest. In fact, for a such a self-styled biblical scholar, your lack of honest intentions is rather appalling. You claim to denounce things, but you can’t give an honest and straightforward characterization of what they even are before you ridicule them.
  Grown ups are clear with each other FIRST before arguing their disagreements and letting the most persuasive win. No distortion necessary.
  Gen 5:3 is about the naming of Seth.
  Gen 3:5 the one you’re after, BUT EVEN THERE you’ve completely cherry-picked a phrase out of its context. Satan’s lie was NOT that Adam and Eve could be like gods (with the sentence ending there–hmm….a plural…nevermind, you can’t read straight anyway…). His lie was that they could be like gods KNOWING GOOD FROM EVIL.
  If you read the rest of the book you profess to believe in, you’ll note that Roman 8:16-17 tells us believers most certainly DO become like God. We are His children and JOINT-HEIRS WITH CHRIST. Now IF you believe that Christ has inherited His Father’s throne and godhood powers AND IF you’re logically consistent (fat chance), you’ll admit being a JOINT-HEIR means progressing toward those abilities and responsibilities ourselves in the far off eternities.
  Be honest, bro. Like a Christian.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:53pm
  Joseph Smith was also a Mason near his death. That is a very evil Baal organization. Spoken directly in the bible as evil. No wonder the Lord did not save his life.
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  Many of the temple reenactments are copied from Masonic Rituals
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:14pm
  @Godwillprevail
  For a lifelong member, it sounds like you never read the Book of Mormon. Seriously man, what the heck? At least put the scripture you claim says that polygamy is always wrong. Good grief!
  Jacob 2:27-30
  “For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;…For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.”
  This is probably the first time you’ve read that. The Lord says if he wants it, he’ll command it, otherwise, it’s a no go. I’m embarrassed for you guys
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:18pm
  @BOOGER
  So you’ve been through the Temple as well as masonic rituals so you can speak with authority on that? You’ve also studied ancient temple rights? Or is that a talking point from one of your websites? Seriously, where is the honesty here? I bet not one of the critics here have read the Book of Mormon (quotes taken out of context on your “Christian” websites don’t count).
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:30pm
  Sinofthunder;
  
  “You are in a cult like Islam, catholicism or Buddhism.”
  
  Well now you’ve convinced me. I’ll repent. You’re s pursuasive. I mean, who can argue with that expository?
  
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- Bikkiboo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:38pm
  I saw a video about the Mormon faith in my Bible Study. It featured ex-Mormons discussing their beliefs. They believe Jesus and Satan are brothers among other strange things. The scary thing was that they also believe in retribution for those who leave the faith. I don’t think the average Mormon knows this. It seems that the hard-working, family-oriented Mormon we usually see is not privy to the other information. This information seems to be available only to the upper echelons of the faith. Perhaps that is what goes on in the secret rooms in the Temple they won’t let non-Mormons into.
  
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- TheStoneman
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:48pm
  There have been discussion and arguments made here on this forum that cannot be resolved by quoting this or that. I would suggest James 1:5. An open minded person who asks God, WILL get an answer.
  
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- saranda
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 9:54pm
  Consider what you hear carefully, as Boyd K. Packer once said “Some things that are true are not very useful.” and lying for the Lord is engrained in LDS culture from a young age.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:08pm
  71Boogers;
  
  “Many of the temple reenactments are copied from Masonic Rituals”
  
  More like the Masns cpied their rituals frm ancient Jewish and christian rituals. The LDS Church restored these rituals in their proper contexct.
  
  “That is a very evil Baal organization.”
  
  George Washington followed the “evil Baal”? WOW!!!
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:19pm
  Webpreacher;
  
  “Folks, ask yourselves this, Does this sound like a man of God, someone God would use, someone, which history does record, lead a troubled and questionable life ?”
  
  Giving prphecy and revelatin, dutifully obeying the word of the Father as given, n matter what personal “feelings” he had, being persecuted, delivered to prison than killed not only sunds like a man of God but exactly what happened to God Himself. Hmmmmmm.
  
  “however Biblically speaking, ALL, thats ALL, of God’s Prophets in Holy Scripture (the KJV Bible) were all Hebrew men”
  
  Joseph Smith was a descendent of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. Sounds like a lineage of authority to me.
  
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- Suel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:29pm
  We are not Mormon’s, we are The Church of Jesus Christ.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:47pm
  Rapture(the anti-stupid and ignorant)comes;
  
  Culd you share at least tw examples where Mrmons admitted to you that they don’t fllw the bible but the Book of Mormon?
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypFmgzw-u4&feature=relmfu (3:58 minute mark)
  
  btw, I like your go-tee.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:05pm
  Rapture;
  
  I’m not going to reiterate anything Happystretched thin said in response to you, he did a superb jb by himself so I’ll take you up n another aspect of your 8:21 pm post: “Now read very carefully Isaiah 43:10 and realize what spiritual force is behind the mormons Gen 5:3″
  
  Isaiah 43:10 (10-12) – ” 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. 12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.”
  
  If this was speaking f the remortal existence and afterlife, Mormons agree 100%!!! This is obviously YHWH speaking and YHWH / Jehovah is considered by Mormons to be Jesus Christ. “Before” Jesus was the Father and the Father only. So Mormons d not believe, despite what you have read from speculators, the Father was not “formed” or “created”. The Father simply was always there in LDS theology. As for no gods “formed” after YHWH, that is also correct in terms of God’s supremecy. This absolutely cannt mean that not gds at all will be “frmed” after YHWH since it is the Bible which uses the term “gods” upon beings who are neither YHWH nor Elohim. In fact, Jesus Himself uses that term t Jews about to stone Him. (con’t)
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:22pm
  (con’t);
  
  If this is in reference to idols, well, than Mrmns again agree 100%!!! No idol was formed befre or after YHWH. And Mormons also agree that YHWH / Jesus is the savior. That there is no ther savior. Period.
  
  Genesis [3:5] – ” 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” I fail to see any lie here in the sense of becoming gods by knowing good and evil. Psalms 82:6 says, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” This passage was written in the context of being judges and judges do need to know “good from evil”. If Genesis 3:5 Satan meant that such will be the limit f Adam and Eve’s (and all mankind’s) spiritual progression than, yeah, that wuld be a lie. But the real lie as I see it would be that Adam and Eve “shall not surely die” (v. 4). And, again, beynd being “gds” in the sense of being judges, it was Jesus who applied Psalms 82:6 upn Jews who were t stone Him as being “gods” in the context of being one with the Father. And it is through Him – YHWH / Jehovah / Jesus Christ – which such a thing is possible for He is savior . ” And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.” (John 17). Let those in the world be one *as* the Father and the Son are one.
  
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- braineater000
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:29pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  OK. We get it. You don’t like Mormons. Nobody cares. Move along.
  
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- stage9
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:40pm
  DNA VS THE BOOK OF MORMON
  http://sourceflix.com/dna-vs-the-book-of-mormon/
  
  The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon
  http://sourceflix.com/the-bible-vs-the-book-of-mormon/
  
  The Bible vs. Joseph Smith
  http://sourceflix.com/the-bible-vs-joseph-smith-official-release/
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:58pm
  Jesus is a liar? Really?
  
  Jesus prayed that we could become one with the Father as he was one with the Father.
  
  Jesus became GOD when he became one with the Father. He prayed we could as well.
  
  This is in the BIBLE.
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:13am
  Mormonism is such a dangerous “cult” that Republicans nominated Romney!
  
  BOOM!!!
  
  Will America becoma a “cult” if Romney wins? Mormons are a subculture, next topic please.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:13am
  HAPPYSTRETCHEDTHIN
  
  So sorry, learning disorder strike again. Numbers just seem to switch themselves around automatically
  
  Yes I mean Gen 3:5
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:30am
  BRAINEATER
  
  If I hated mormons I would not take the time or effort to point out that it is a cult. If I hated mormons I would stay silent
  
  I knew most would reject what I say outright but when the resurrection/rapture happens that story will change drastically.
  
  Some will remember what was told to them before it happened and will seek the real Jesus Christ once they realize they have been lied to for all this time.
  
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- ShiningCityOnTheHillBoy
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:32am
  With a “living prophet” as the head of the church isn’t it kind of a convenience for the Mormon religion? If something is controversial the “prophet” can say “God has called” and decide to not recognize it anymore, like polygamy, or like not allowing black people into the priesthood until 1978.
  What will stop Mitt Romney, the most powerful person in the world if he becomes president, from listening to this “Lord’s mouthpiece”, the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
  http://mormon.org/faq/present-day-prophet
  
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- Cesium
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:22am
  My question is. Why did god wait until the white man settled in upstate NY to present the book of Moron?
  
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- watashbuddyfriend
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:44am
  Dang, @THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:37pm
  
  “MARVEL
  
  Mathias
  
  Name means = Gift of the Lord.”
  
  EXCELLENT post!
  
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- ScreaminEagle
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:52am
  I’ve followed Glenn starting with his FOX show, Both radio and TV. Never as a Christian agreed with his Mormon faith but I listened to his conclusion of facts on numerous topics. When he started GBTV I signed up at the beginning. Last night on Mormon Myths was probably one of the least informative shows to date. I’ve tried to separate Mormon influence out of his analysis on his conclusions, and have not always agreed with him blindly. As for his magic underwear I don’t really care. I think the kind of Questions that need to be answered are more along the lines of “The White Horse Prophesy”, “The angel Moroni”…etc.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy
  
  Given the presidential elections and the implications, This concerns me more than secrete rituals in the Temple.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:49am
  Shiningcity;
  
  “With a “living prophet” as the head of the church isn’t it kind of a convenience for the Mormon religion? If something is controversial the “prophet” can say “God has called” and decide to not recognize it anymore, like polygamy, or like not allowing black people into the priesthood until 1978.”
  
  It is as convenient to have prophets today as it was in days past. Livivng revelation was always the key nature of the gospel of Jesus Christ. That has not changed. It was lost but now it was restored.
  
  “What will stop Mitt Romney, the most powerful person in the world if he becomes president, from listening to this “Lord’s mouthpiece”, the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?”
  
  Understanding the LDS position of political neutrality should help out a bit.
  
  “Elected officials who are Latter-day Saints make their own decisions and may not necessarily be in agreement with one another or even with a publicly stated Church position. While the Church may communicate its views to them, as it may to any other elected official, it recognizes that these officials still must make their own choices based on their best judgment and with consideration of the constituencies whom they were elected to represent.”
  
  http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official-statement/political-neutrality
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:53am
  Cesium;
  
  “My question is. Why did god wait until the white man settled in upstate NY to present the book of Moron?”
  
  As Jehovah, the LORD covenanted with the “white man” Abraham. As Jesus Christ the LORD established His gospel among “white men” in the middle East. Race has nothing to do with the sotorieology.
  
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- Chem-Girl
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:51pm
  I was a member of the LDS church for over 40 yrs. Born into it, raised with all the teachings. Most of my male relatives have held positions in the Bishopric of a ward at one time or another. My uncle was even a Stake President for several years. So, I do know most of the Mormon doctrine. I am now a born again Christian. My parents and about 75% of my family were married in one of the temples. I did not leave the church mad or offended. In fact they probably still have records of my membership.
  
  Having all that said……
  How can one do an hour show about the religion and not cover doctrine? Or maybe I should say have a “honest/truthful” show. All Glenn did (just as he accuses the left of doing) was give the warm and fuzzes of the church.
  
  Why didn’t he talk about working your way to godhood?
  Or that you believe God was once a man?
  Or that you believe that by being sealed to your wife in the temple you will be together as husband and wife for time and all eternity. Even though red letter words in the gospels does not teach that.
  That you don’t believe in wearing or displaying the cross? Because it is a symbol of Jesus’ pain. Hello – that was the purpose. To show his love for us…we should always remember that.
  That you don’t believe that we are saved by Grace through Faith?
  That you don’t believe God is omniscience, omnipotent, or omnipresent?
  Or that the Bible is not the Mormons main source of teachings?
  
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- seresmary
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:18pm
  Glenn we love you and we know that you surround yourself with Bible believing mentors and friends but as for the Mormon faith its your choice. you read the Bible daily and in prayer. Who do you pray to and in who’s name? You said you believe Jesus is Divine, but what kind of divine. The divine brother of Lucifer?Lucifer was an Angel. Jesus Christ is the God-Man, He and the Father are One. I know you have a problem with the Holy Trinity (Father/Son/Holy Spirit) God sent His Son, not an Angel, not the brother of Lucifer to take the form of a man that he would take the sins of the world upon Him on the Cross, that he would die, be buried and rise again on the 3rd day that we who believe in Him (as God’s Son and His atoning death on the cross) would have everlasting life. That’s eternity with Him in a New Heaven and a New earth with a glorified body. From the beginning of the New Testament Church almost immediately there were false teacher’s trying to worm their way into the Church. Paul was always preaching about this to the Church’s as were the other Apostles. The last few verses of Rev. say (don’t add anything to this book and don’t take away anything very clear. Gal.1:6-9 If anyone preach another gospel even if it be an “Angel” let him be accursed.. read it, it isn’t any clearer than that. Only one way to heaven thru belief in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, not by some false prophet.My aunt never got to see her son marry she was not allowed in the Tem
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:23pm
  What Mormons believe..
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYEtttwU18
  They have their roots in Free Masonry..hence Glenn’s tee shirt at his love fest thing with the all seeing eye seen on our dollar..The Rothschilds were at the helm of free masonry..
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65dzIuGZf5w
  
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- RJL
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 8:46am
  According to “The Mormons” how might one get to heaven? Or do you even believe in heaven? or hell?
  
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- RJL
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 2:21pm
  Still waiting for the answer? What if I would have died while waiting for “The Mormons” to respond? Ok then what happens when a person dies, according to Mormons? because statistics show that one out of one die…..
  
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- deona
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:34am
  They do consider themselves to be Christian but their Jesus and their gods do not in any way reflect the God of the Bible or it’s Jesus, Savior of the world. It is very false and only mimics the real thing.
  
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Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:22am
Here’s my question: Why is there absolutely NO archaeological evidence for the Nephites and the Lamanites in the Americas from about 600 BC to 400 AD or Jaredite nation, which the Book of Mormon claims came from to the Americas shortly after the confounding of the languages at the Tower of Babel?

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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:36am
  Do you know that civilizations build upon other civilizations? Have you ever been to South America and see how fast plants grow over things? Where’s the archelogical evidence for Jesus (assuming your believe in him?) or of the Arc of the Covenant? Is your faith based on the physical? The temples/pyramids, mounds in the Americas are those built by the Lamanites and their decendants.
  
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- symphonic
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:47am
  Here’s my question. Why is there no archeological evidence for the Great Flood, or the Parting of the Red Sea, or the millions of bones in the desert from the 2,000,000 people that Moses led out of Egypt? Why no archeology for the Garden of Eden? Why are we asking these questions about the Book of Mormon? Does it really matter? Because if it does, the Old Testament does not pass that “science” test either, and why don’t we just admit it… Archeology is a VERY LIMITED science at best. incomplete at most.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:18pm
  AREYOUAPUPPET
  
  You have just stated an outright lie.
  
  The Mayans are not Lamanites and to even say they are is a flat out KNOWN LIE
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:29pm
  Good question. I will not answer with a sarcastic statement about faith based on physical means… I’ll try to answer you from my point of view.
  
  Simply, we don’t know exactly where to start looking. While the LDS faith believes that the Americas were the home of Lamanites/Nephites/Jaredites, we don’t know exactly where. That’s a big place to start looking, and I don’t think anyone would appreciate us excavating everywhere. Literally you are talking about smaller than a needle in a haystack here. If you add to that the fact that the amount of land actually excavated and studied in the world is akin to a teaspoon on a football field, you understand that starting to look is the problem. However, there IS ‘evidence’ out there except it is interpreted to be something else by others with different points of view. Science is a very incomplete and imprecise practice limited by our own points of view and ability to observe and interpret, and what you ask for is akin to getting a meteorologist to independently study and agree with a microbiologist’s independent findings on what a geologist should have looked at. LDS members visit ancient sites and recognize things all over, things dismissed by other points of view.
  
  I could be more detailed about where I think their nations were, the size, etc… but at the end of the day, I don’t think it matters, nor would it ‘bear fruit’ even if a complete record was found. Seriously, if there was, would you change your mind? T
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:45pm
  @SYMPHONIC
  
  There is plenty of evidence of the Great Flood and the Red Sea parting. You are not interested in looking for it apparently. How does chariot wheels both 4 and 8 spoke lying at the bottom of the Gulf of Aquaba. The ONLY time Egyptian historian know that these where both you was a short period of time that coincides with the Biblical time of Moses.
  
  As far as the flood, there are over 700 flood legends from cultures all over the world that are almost identical to the Biblical account. If you research the small canyon created in a day by the Mt. St. Helens eruption, you get a model of how a catastrophic event could lead to the geological formations we see today such as the Colorado River.
  
  But, I doubt you’re open minded enough to give it an intellectual inquiry.
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:16pm
  That certainly is an interesting question to ponder.
  
  But, I would also like to pose the question of, “Why has no one ever found Noah’s Ark?” which so many Christian believers seem to think still exists in some condition or another. Why did it take centuries for the “Dead Sea Scrolls” to be discovered? And, why do so many Christians embrace the Biblical translation done by a British king which produced the “King James Bible”? Wouldn’t a king have a bias in which words were translated for the common reader? (Like the removing words of tyranny and such from earlier Biblical translations)
  
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- v15
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:28pm
  @Squid, How old do you believe the Earth is? (This isn’t a trick question)
  
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- veruca salt
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:34pm
  Actually, ANAMERICANTOO, the same guy who found SQUID’s chariot wheels also found Noah’s Ark. Ron Wyatt:
  
  http://www.ronwyatt.com/index.html
  
  Though, lots of people dispute the claim. Best line from a National Geographic article on the subject: “I don’t know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn’t find it”. According to this article, another Noah’s Ark was found after Mr. Wyatt found his.
  
  news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/
  
  So, maybe Mr. Wyatt found everything he claimed, though no major museum ever displays all the “artifacts”, or he could just be full of crap. You decide.
  
  Look him up, he found all sorts of fantastic discoveries during his “archaeological” career…
  
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- Patriotic_Mercenary
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:54pm
  One of the resources I’ve found helpful is an amateur apologist, Jeff Lindsay. He has a web site, http://www.jefflindsay.com, that addresses many of the same questions some of the folks here have concerning our doctrine. He is well read and utilizes many resources from books, LDS.org, Brigham Young University and the scriptures to back up his claims.
  
  There are a good number of evidences within the BoM that have been found as plausible. There are competing theories within the LDS community as to where the Jaredites and Nephites were within the Americas. However, the trip that Lehi and his family took from Jersualem to the land Bountiful on the Arabian peninsula has some remarkable similarities to what some folks part of The Nephite Project and scholars have found.
  
  Joseph Smith was ridiculed during his time concerning cement, which has been found in extensive use in the ruins in Mexico. Earthworks with wooden palisades have also been found within the Yucatan peninsula, which indicated there were wars. During J.S.’s time, he was given flak about massive armies and wars, as “everyone knew” there was no such thing in the Americas. Below is a link to the BoM evidences that he’s detailed at length.
  
  http://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:17pm
  The Book of Mormon was found in New York but most LDS have looked in South America. They have looked in the wrong place.
  
  There actually are accounts of finding Jewish writings in America when some of the earliest people arrived in America. Of finding things in mounds of earth. Unfortunately the powers to be decided they wanted to take the land from the Indians. Thus they needed to dehumanize the Indians as savages to do so and spent a lot of money to destroy any evidence to the contrary. Even the historical records were mostly destroyed. A sad history of our Nation but actually foretold in the Book of Mormon.
  
  Most likely they were in the Buffalo NY area north to Canada. East to Albany. The records do not indicate they traveled very long distances away.
  
  But this is about faith not proof. GOD requires we live by faith. If he wanted to prove to us his existence he would. Christ performed all kinds of miracles that did not convert anyone. His teachings did not his miracles.
  
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MBridOKC
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:16am
QUESTION: According to Mormanism is there Heaven and is there Hell?
If there is not, then what is the consequence of not knowing Christ once you have died?
If Hell does not exist in Mormanism and all there is, is continued learning and seeking God, then what consequence exists or what eternal decision is there to be made?

Thanks

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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:32am
  There is a Heaven and Hell. In Fact the Church believes nearly everyone will go to a Heaven (even sinners). There are many mansions in Christ’s kingdom and Paul talks about the different glories of Heaven, and the Apocrypha talks about the (7th heaven) and depending on your faith/following commandments you are rewarded as such. How wonderful is this? God gets the vast majority of his children back to Heaven! Those who are faithful are saved by Grace and can return to live with our Father. We do believe in a Hell – it is reserved for those who deny the power of the Holy Ghost and actively fight against his Church and for the demons of Satan.
  
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- Mr.-FreeMarket
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:34am
  Mormons believe in a heaven and hell. As Christ said “in my Father’s house are many mansions.” Mormons believe it is a bit more complicated than one or the other.
  
  For example where do you put Bill Clinton. Christian? Probably. Lives his religion? Maybe not so much. Adulterer? That depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
  
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- MBridOKC
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:10pm
  If pretty much everyone gets into Heaven, unless you actively deny and fight against the church, then what is the point of redemption, and accepting Christ as your personal savior and the scriptural reference to Christ being the only way to eternal salvation? There seems to be no true consequence and to just be a good person and not fight the church…
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:23pm
  AREYOUAPUPPET
  
  The bible teaches that few will find the road and wide is the path to destruction and this is yet another outright contradiction to the bible.
  
  You are not CHRISTIAN when you contradict and believe u[on a false (idol) CHRIST
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:50pm
  @raptur
  
  Agree with us or not, you cannot deny that a belief in more than one degree of glory, i.e. heaven, is biblically based:
  
  glory of the celestial is one, 1 Cor. 15:40
  such an one caught up to the third heaven, 2 Cor. 12:2
  See also Dan. 12:1–3; Matt. 13:43; John 17:3–5; Heb. 1:1–3
  
  I’m sorry that you find our beliefs so offensive, but I’m not sorry for our beliefs. I’ve come to believe in them with all my heart after much study and prayer. I promise you that after praying about our beliefs, the Holy Ghost has touched my heart and confirmed that they are 100% true. So for you to ask me to deny what God has revealed to me is NOT going to happen.
  
  However, I do commend you for being so passionate about what you believe. :)
  
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Wango
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:15am
Why, if mild drinks are forbidden the saints, did He permit Brigham Young to finance the building of his personal mansions with the profits from beer and wine sales which were purchased and consumed by the saints?

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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:34am
  any comments like this should cite sources/references.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:01pm
  It doesn’t even matter. We’re just not uptight like that to begin with. I know a Mormon bishop who was a brewmaster at a Budweiser plant. In my first real job as a convenience store clerk I sold alcohol to anyone legal to purchase (and cigarettes too). No big deal.
  
  Besides, the Word of Wisdom is give to us by way of “greeting; not by commandment or constraint” (See D&C 89 yourself), and initially it was not so strictly adhered to. Because we have a living prophet, further clarification has been made to the Word of Wisdom and adherence to it has since been made a requirement for faithful latter-day saints. Also, the revelation was given to “for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints”, so if you are not Mormon, feel free to indulge.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:31pm
  AEREYOUAPUPPET
  
  You should cite your sources as well when making any type of claim that is superior to the scriptures (word, bible)
  
  In point of fact why don’t you give us the historical account of the BOM. No wait, you have none unlike the actual real word of God aka BIBLE. You know, the bible that has over 24,000 NT writings in ancient manuscripts or portions of ancient manuscripts from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd centuries in four languages of Koine Greek, Coptic, Syriac, Latin
  
  In point of fact, where are the tens of thousands of metal plates that should be everywhere in the Americas if your so called BOM talks about.
  
  Mormonism is a cult just like Catholicism SDA JW and on and on
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:09pm
  Some of the folks posting here have not been doing their LDS history reading.
  In the early days of the LDS Church, Joseph Smith JR was given what is known as the Word of Wisdom. It was to be a ‘suggestion’ or guideline to live better lives — ie no coffee, hot drinks, alcohol, smoking, and eating in moderation. This suggestion of a life style was changed in the 1930s to become more of expected standard of living and at that time became one of the questions that a bishop will ask before concurring that the person can enter an LDS Temple.
  
  In fact, in many LDS communities when they celebrated “Mormon Pioneer Days” produced what they called “barley beer’ for the July 24th annual event. This practice, of course, is no longer done.
  
  Some things change over time. Catholics used require women to cover the tops of their head when entering a Catholic church it is now only done in extremely traditional communities. Episcopalians, Baptists, Presbyterians, Jews — all were supporters of slavery in America. There were divisions eventually within these religious groups. The Presbyterians in the 1700s kicked out a pastor who preached against slavery. In 1845 the Southern Baptist Convention was formed to defend slavery. Martin Luther King Jr was a Baptist preacher — he belonged to the PROGRESSIVE National Baptists.
  
  If you are looking for perfect human beings — you are not going to find them.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:54pm
  We moved to Salt Lake City in 1976. There was a strange dichotomy concerning alcohol. Members of the LDS church were forbidden by doctrine to consume alcohol and oher strong stimulants such as coffee. If a person wanted to drink alcohol could be purchased in the State store. When we first arrived, you could only purchase fifths or full bottles of wine. You could carry the bottle in a bag to and from a “private club” (paid a $5.00 membeship fee) or keep your bottle in a private bottle club. To consume the drink in a club, you bought a set up which consisted of ice and, if request a mix, into which you poured your own alcohol. The saying used to be: You don’t buy a drink you buy a drunk.”
  
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UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:13am
Two questions regarding LDS doctrine/methodology.

1.) Apostolic succession. While I understand the Mormons believe the office of Apostle carries the same weight as in actual Apostolic times. They appear to be different from other denominations believing in apostoic succession. Different in that Mormon Apostles can (and have) created new doctrines absolutely contrary to former doctrines. Other denominaitons using the office of Apostle reference unchanging doctrines and apply those to modern situation – but never differ in basic premise from the original, actual Apostles’ teachings. Please explain what makes this office, as well as President (who must first be an Apostle) able to make such sweeping changes to church doctrine without debate or question.

2,) Why has the LDS deified Abraham Lincoln? My son in law is a Mormon and has shared with me Sunday School lessons which equated Lincoln with actual Biblical characters as well as speeches by Ezra Benson to the effect that Lincoln was the “Holy Protector of the Constitution”. This view of Lincoln was not supported by Mormon contemporaries of Lincoln – at any phase of Lincoln’s actual political career. Numerous entries in early Mormon founders’ journals are noted by LDS author/historian, Michael T. Griffith, contrary to the current LDS consensus view of Lincoln.

On Lincoln, I agree with Mormon founders – completely. What changed between Young and Benson?

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:20am
  I don’t care either way it doesn’t matter who becomes President the American people are doing to little too late.
  
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- Texas.7
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:28pm
  Can a faithful member of LDS, disagree with some of the beliefs held by the church? Is the Spirit invited to reveal truth to the individual? There are many denominations within Christianity. Catholics also as brothers and sisters in Christ, because they trust in the Lord, but they believe many things that I do not. The only perfect man to ever walk the Earth was God in flesh- for we know that not one of us is perfect.
  
  And yet, that knowledge holds the key to why we should still embrace those who share our primary belief in the redemption of Christ, trusting in, and accepting the righteousness of God. We will be forgiven for the things we didn’t understand while on the Earth, as long as we obey Him. He knows we are but dust. And our own weakness, imperfections, and inability to understand everything makes all of us somewhat incomplete witnesses. Love is what unites us.
  
  One must place their trust in Jesus Christ to be saved, obey the Holy Spirit, love the Lord and love each other- we will be known as Christians. They may be wrong about some things, as are the Catholics, the Calvinists, the Quakers, Baptists, Methodists- and dare I say it, as am I (and I don’t even know what denomination I am). But I trust God, though I fall short. To me, expectations of heaven are less important than the state of one’s heart, as we will all be surprised by some things in the end. The enemy wishes to divide us.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:38pm
  TEXAS7
  
  Catholicism is just like mormonism and both are cults. Both are perversions. each has it own extra biblical writings that each claims is higher than scriptures
  
  The resurrection/rapture is about to sort it out soon enough and when it does, take a long hard look around you and see whom is left behind that claimed to be Christian.
  
  Whole belief systems are about to be destroyed in the TWINKLE OF AN EYE
  
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- Texas.7
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:15pm
  THERAPTURCOMES,
  Yes, you are right to a point- but my point is that if one trusts in Jesus with all their heart, and has indeed welcomed Him to live within. Though our knowledge is incomplete at best, some given more, some given less- it is our heart, not our knowledge which surrenders to Christ. If the limited understanding of a child who is in love with Jesus Christ has all they need to enter into Heaven- my point is that God desires our heart even more than our head. Minds can be changed later, they are a small thing. Only love remains in the end.
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:48pm
  TheRaptureComes — questionable doctrines? you ought to look who created the religious belief in a ‘rapture’ — long around the turn of the 20th Century. It was created by a fellow, I consider of ‘interesting’ connections. Many pastors are still trying to purge this ‘rapture’ belief from their members as unsupported religious views created by this fellow with an interesting past.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:49pm
  TEXAS&
  
  Our knowledge is complete for this day and age according to the scriptures. In other words, we know what we need to know by revelation through the bible. .
  
  Any other source not of the scriptures is not from God.
  
  The end times speak clearly through the word (scriptures) to the deception that is taking place as I type this.
  
  The resurrection/rapture will soon sort this out and expose the lies for what they are. Sadly, most will believe the lie (fable) over the truth 2 Tim 4:3-4
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:13pm
  ANAMERICANTO
  
  I have studied the scriptures through a Hebraic understanding so as to understand what was being written. I do this knowing that idioms, phraseology, ancient customs and practices all have meaning within cultural context. These things have direct links to types and shadows.
  
  If a western person tries to read the bible without Hebraic understanding they will not understand a thing about what the bible is teaching.
  
  This leads to groups like mormonism, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah Witness, Catholicism and all of its spin off groups.
  
  MARVEL is a part of this. I just schooled him in whom the prophet and apostles real where,, HEBREWS.
  
  The rapture has types and shadows all throughout the bible. Christ Himself is called a 1st fruit for a very specific reason and if you knew the ancient harvest practices you would understand why He is called that
  
  It is related to the ancient harvest cycles of a field.
  
  (1) 1st fruits = early ripening fruit is harvested and is taken to the high priest and He takes them as wave offering to God. Lev 23:9-14
  
  (2) Then when the rest of the harvest ripens is the general harvest = 1 Thes 4:13-18 & 1 Cor 15:50-55
  
  (3) Then the four corner gleanings = sometime during the tribulation Lev 23:22
  
  I harvest in three stages occurring over periods of time.
  
  Of this harvest Christ is the FIRST FRUIT = COMPLETED. Next is the general harvest, soon to be completed. next stage four corner gleanings will be during the 7 year
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:14pm
  I haven’t seen this alleged new worship of Abraham Lincoln in LDS teachings. Will have to go and see what is being taught on that.
  
  Since the founding of Mormonism through …and I have not narrowed it down when it stopped …but at least through the 1950s, Mormon leaders taught when the ‘end times arrive’ that the first place that will be purged of corruption would come to the Mormon communities in Utah/Idaho. The argument being that the Lord would first clean his own house before bringing judgment upon the others.
  
  Ezra Taft Benson was an LDS leader. He was serving a dual position in the LDS church and was US Sec of Agriculture in the 1950s. He was warning not only Mormons but other Americans about the sneaking in of communism and Marxism into the US government. He begged people to wake up. Benson would eventually become president of the Mormon church a title that for Mormon includes being a prophet for the church. Since his death, many younger Mormons seem to dismiss Benson as ‘out of touch’.
  
  Personally, I think that all churches in America got watered down in the mid 1960s when they accepted a tax exempt status. Look at the political speaking that took place prior to that from the religious pulpits during the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI and WWII and they no longer took place after the IRS tax exempt status in the 1960s.
  
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- ImMormon
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:01pm
  @ Texas.7
  
  Well said. I absolutely agree with your point there.
  
  @ Rapture
  
  I’m sorry you are so angry with us Mormon’s, Catholics, JW, etc. We certainly have disagreements on doctrine, but I’m o.k. with that and hold nothing against anyone with differing beliefs. I think God will sort out our hearts in the end. Just as Texas.7 summed up. I am doing what “I” believe is right, and I thank God that I live in a country where I can do that. I won’t ridicule your belief’s because they are different than mine. I’m also grateful that you have the freedom of speech and share your beliefs. Just my advice is that you could do it with out such vitriol, condesension, and hatred.
  
  I believe all can be profited from sensible and respectful conversation.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:30pm
  IMMORMON
  
  What you feel and believe is irrelevant when it comes to the bible. All of the apostles with the exception of John died Horrible deaths for being blunt and declaring the truth and exposing those that lie.
  
  This is what you are about to see with the resurrection/rapture. Most deny this event clearly taught in the bible and will soon see it with their own eyes including you.
  
  Your mormon faith denies the real Jesus Christ and by doing so will be left behind. I wonder, will you have the understanding to know that when you see this event to know that mormonism lied to you?
  
  Will you have wisdom to admit you were wrong and become a believer upon the real Jesus Christ or will you abandon faith altogether?
  
  Jesus Christ is not a spirit brother and is not a part of any spirit creation.
  
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:11am
Alright, here’s a question: Why is it that Mormons believe themselves can be called Saints, when it is that John the Baptist wouldn’t even call himself Elias, and neither would Jesus call himself the Son of God? Moreover it wasn’t until the Lord God who came setting his hands on Jesus saying “This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased” that he came to be known as the Son of God by those who heard the Lord. Secondly my other question is that if Joseph Smith was wrong about a fundamental aspect of Christianity (that being one wife), indicative in Joseph Smith having more than one wife which is why many LDS members began marrying many, which is a violation of Jesus’ basic teaching of one man and one woman, if Joseph Smith has that fundamental base that Christianity is based on – then how can the rest of his teachings not be shaky?

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:26am
  I suspect their reply will be as that of the Catholic Church Priests for tough questions they have no legitimate answer for – that is that Satan is very good at trickery and throwing out stumbling blocks.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:30am
  If you can give me a reasonable legitimate to those two questions – well I might just sign up.
  
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- Copper Catfish
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:36am
  May God fill your heart with His love and remove all bitterness.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:05pm
  Copper Catfish,
  It’s not bitterness. It’s questions based on their own words (I’m sure Beck can understand that), and based on the actual replies in the past. If you just can not answer the question, then don’t do the demonic thing by trying to subvert the content of my question by marginalizing my motivation – which of course the motivation is their own language. Because people can tell you are just trying to marginalize my motive to one of your many categories, which is just like Beck Marginalized critics by calling them “Disgruntled” former members which is a tactic of the left.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:15pm
  Copper Catfish,
  And do you know why you use a tactic on me that the left uses? Because you are [of] the left – that’s why you are in a battle against the left because you are one and the same – that’s why so so many will get shove off to the left while the people of Jesus get pulled off to the right.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:25pm
  @waterspeople
  I’ll keep it simple for you since from my past dealings with you, I know you are an honest truth seeker with no agenda of your own…
  We call ourselves saints because the Lord told us to. He gave Joseph Smith the name of the church. Simple enough right?
  We also believe that Christianity didn’t start when Christ came on the earth. Ever read Isaiah? We believe Adam taught of the coming of Christ as did all prophets (their main job was to testify of Christ). Polygamy was practiced by ancient prophets and it was commanded from the Lord to Joseph Smith as part of the restoration of all things. In the Book of Mormon, it says concerning this practice :”…For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none…I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things” (Jacob 2:27-30)
  Whatever the Lord commands is right, whether he says to the Israelites to destroy a people, women and children included, or to help your neighbor.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:38pm
  Joey8,
  Yeah good luck with that. As for myself it means more to me that God for some reason wouldn’t tell John to call himself Elias, and yet for some reason he would tell you to call yourself Saints. And it means more to me that the Apostle John said that at [no] time has any man seen God. But good luck with your endeavor.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:46pm
  @Waters
  Joey8 gave you very reasonable answers to both your questions, but I think one thing was left out.
  
  There is no compulsion involved. You ask why and how and what, and the answer is that we follow the Lord God of Israel, and he tells us what to do and we believe in following him. Period. We were told to, however, simply having leaders tell us that is what the Lord is saying is not the only check we have, every person is promised an answer from the Lord if they ask. (James 1:5)
  
  So, in short, the leaders I’ve accepted as inspired of the Lord told me that was the Lord’s will, I then went home and personally prayed to God to find out if that is true, and I was told yes. My family is precious to me and I don’t follow at a whim, neither do I believe you do.
  
  In the LDS church we accept our leaders, get instruction, and are told to individually ask God and verify it, so we know individually what our Savior wants us to do. He’s in charge, and if I get instruction that I don’t feel is from Him, nor is it confirmed by the Holy Spirit through prayer, I don’t follow. That’s why so many LDS members say “I know” instead of “I believe”.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:53pm
  @Waters
  I have to admit, I’ve never heard anyone question why we are called saints. It puzzles me that it would bother you, considering all throughout the New Testament, the followers of Christ are called Saints. One example, Romans 1:7 “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: grace to you…”
  And as for no man seeing God, what of Moses in Exodus 33:11 “And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend…”. What about Stephen in Acts 7:55-56 “…Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God”.
  It seems that you have a lot of rationalizing to do when it comes to your criticism. I don’t mean to sound as if I am boasting, but I feel it a privilege to be led by Prophets and Apostles who are able to intepret the scriptures (since they weren’t meant for private intepretation, sure you know where it says that) and who are here for the perfecting of the SAINTS, and for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God(see ephesians 4). The Lord gave the saints apostles in the New Testament to edify and unite them. I believe God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and gives us apostles today for the same reason.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:54pm
  @watersrpeople,
  
  I’m sorry you feel such hostility towards people of my faith. However, many of your assertions contain false assumptions which has apparently caused some confusion. For starters, you claim that our religion must be false because Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. Well would you then claim that all relgions based on the Bible are false because Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and other prophets practiced polygamy??? Surely not.
  
  In fact, the Lord Himself (while speaking throuth the Prophet Nathan) declares that He was the one who who GAVE David his multiple wives. (See 2 Samuel 12:7-8). Do you thus find that all scriptures given by the Lord are false as well? Surely not.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:57pm
  bornbitter,
  It was reasonable to you, it’s what you believe, and I accept that. Like there are multitudes of college degrees there is but a few jobs with which to apply them. Likewise there is a multitude of religions, but only one right Heaven to apply them to. I suspect if you are of God I will see you sometime at the East-gate.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:05pm
  Joey8,
  Throughout the Bible the term ‘Saints’ is used in the second, and third person sense – but never in the first. It does make a difference.
  
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- Halo.wings
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:06pm
  Watersrpeople – We simply believe that in the days of Christ that the members of Christ’s church were called Saints as is perpetuated by the Epistles of the Apostles, where in they extended their salutations to all Saints (please see the Epistles of the new testament). For this reason we have continued the tradition as is apparent in the name of our church “The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints”
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:12pm
  Halo.wings,
  Alright, really I’m just fishing around.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:23pm
  @waters
  Like I said, you have a lot of rationalizing to do with those criticisms. So because we only have the words of the Apostles referring to the saints and not the words of the saints themselves, you assume that they didn’t refer to each other as saints? I would never accuse you of not reading the Bible, but I am still confused by the “saints” criticism. I’m wondering if you are bothered because Paul never said “I’m a saint” or because we don’t have the writings of the saints calling themselves saints. This is all semantics though and I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on the instances I put of man seeing God.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:26pm
  @Waters
  Dear brother, if you seek to follow Christ the Lord, we will all embrace and I will see you and know you as my brother in Christ.
  
  God is good at what he does :) and he has set out to bring all men to him if we’ll but come. May the Lord be with you and guide your paths.
  
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- Halo.wings
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:47pm
  Part II (I ran out of space) – I don’t care to debate the reasons for plural marriage here as I believe that there are many other works that have been written on the subject and they can more fully answer your questions than I can. I will say this plural marriage was not something that people relished or desired (I am the great, great, grandson of a plural marriage), and in most cases it was a hardship and a test of faith of those who were involved in the plural marriage. It did not function as a means of degradation but as a means of building strength and unity. Above all people believed that it was commanded of God and as such they were committed to following Gods every commandment even plural marriage. My Father often explained it to me much like the story of Abraham and Isaac (see Genesis 22) where Abraham is commanded to sacrifice his only son Isaac, it is not something he wants to do, it is not something he is looking forward to, but it is something that he will do because God commanded him to do it, and he is going to follow God’s commands.
  
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- maggie-140
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:54pm
  I believe the Catholic church has priest called fathers because God entrusted them to teach his flock. Leaders of a family are called fathers. They teach their children and and are viewed as the person to go to if they need advice that is of truth and will guide them down the right path. They are in no way viewed as God himself and do not want that place either. But, they do understand the importance of their job in taking care of Gods children when it comes to helping bring them to him. I mean you can take that or not. Does not really matter to me. I must say though a lady once told me when you think about what God looks like who do you picture. She said she sees a resemblence to her father. I thought of that and the men who who there to guide me in my faith and Love for god is how I somewhat view God in form as well. Which is great because it shows you that you have such holy people in your life that had God himself shown through in their words in actions. Such a blessing. I ramble though.
  
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- javasport
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:59pm
  Saints were referred to as member’s of Christ’s church by the apostles. These were not “canonized” or declared perfect human beings. Paul wrote many letters to the church members (saints) in different areas (Galatians, Thessolonians, Ephesians, Corinthians, Romans,etc. and contain information specifically to alleviate doctrinal contentions among the mentioned groups of people. These letters, or epistles, were later compiled with other writings that make up the New Testament.
  The Corinthians had issues with the resurrection so the first letter (1 Cor) was all about the ressurection. Romans were a bit prideful and so Paul sent a letter regarding being “saved by grace” which yes, if you break down the teachings just to that one letter (or NT book), you get the main doctrine of several Christian dedominations which then ends up contradicting other commandments like repentance and being baptized as prescribed elsewhere in the NT as necessary for salvation. These weren’t doctrinal contradictions. These instructions were to already baptized followers which is why you seldom hear about baptism in anything other than in the first 5 NT books where Jesus, ot the apostles, called for people to repent and be baptized. All other baptismal references in the NT outside of these books were refering to the symbolism of baptism and not calling people to be baptized.
  (cont)
  
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  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:17pm
  (cont)
  Either these books were communications to already baptised members (saints) as I said or Paul decided to change the basic “entry-level” doctrine that Christ taught. Well that wouldn’t make Paul “Christian” anymore now would it? I seriously doubt the latter. They were written to already baptized members.
  Here is a quick search of every reference to the word “saint” in the KJB. Go look up in whatever Bible you use. http://www.lds.org/scriptures/search?lang=eng&query=saints&testament=nt
  Feel free to look up “baptism” as well and see where it is referenced after Acts.
  Use your own full text search engine and Bible reference if you prefer.
  
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AreYouAPuppet
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:04am
I’d like to ask a question to Beck about being LDS. Why in your fiction novel did you frequently use the name of God in vain (contrary to the commandments and temple oaths you took). And second, I’d like to know why were you wearing an Illuminati tshirt under your blazer during your recent Restoring Love convention (a group against the Church of Christ)? How does that fit into your faith?

For those who are about to vehemently defend Beck on these 2 points (first, its very easy NOT to use the Lords name in vain). Second, think the tshirt was just coincidence – for those who think secret societies and conspiracy theories are non-existent or stupid stories, start googling about the illuminati, who owns the media, masons, etc. Truly study, open your minds – look for their signs. Then take a look at why Beck wore that shirt. He’s either been threatened forcing him to work on their team (google his FEMA story he was supposed t do) or he has voluntarily working from them.

To the moderators who may consider to delete this – (the truth shall make you free).

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:18am
  They’ll answer any question except the ones they can not or will not answer, and then they will say they can not answer because the question is derived and twisted by Satan. Know this that more often than not people not of God called Jesus the devil and Satan.
  
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- GlennaBeckski
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:23am
  AREYOUAPUPPET…. Regarding the illuminati shirt, do you have any proof? I would be most interested in seeing it.
  
  Glenna B
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:40am
  Glennabeski – here it is http://share.banoosh.com/2012/07/30/the-beginning-of-a-global-movement-for-freedom-for-all-mankind-glenn-beck-wows-dallas-at-freepac-see-entire-speech/
  
  Anyone who knows anything about that Group knows what the eye means
  
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- GlennaBeckski
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:30pm
  Hmmmmmmm Thank you for sharing that link. To say it is interesting is an understatement.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:31pm
  @Puppet
  So basically your questions are:
  Glenn, why did you sin?
  Glenn, why did you wear a shirt with an eye on it?
  Great discussion starters
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:55pm
  I thought he stated why he has the ‘eye’ symbol on one of the programs but I don’t recall his reasoning.
  
  As for his coarse language in a book. Well, I haven’t read the book myself. But I am still amazed that last winter or early spring he had a wonderful Rabbi on his TV program who discussed using crude language and how it flows from a Baal. I would like it if Mr. Beck would take those teachings of the Rabbi to heart and stop using body excretions during his program.
  
  BUT ….people are people — and no one is perfect.
  
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smtboy
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:59am
The rumor is tha,t like Scientology, Mormons only progress through the hierarchy based on how much money they donate and that the church wants your tax return so they can see what you earn and then they bill you each month for the tithe? True or false?

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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:04am
  false.
  
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- AccountableAmerican
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:05am
  You do not move up any hierarchy in the LDS church. You are asked to pay 10% tithing. A concept very much the same in other Christian faiths. Do all members do it? No. But it doesn’t mean you get any special treatment if you do. It’s a matter of personal faith.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:07am
  You obviously no nothing about the hierarchy. It is not a goal of members of the Church to attain “new positions/ranks/etc”. The goal is to be a better human being – serve others – love others. Tithing is optional. Your only denied going to the temple because of not paying. Tithing and consecrating one’s goods were taught in the old/new testaments. You could easily lie and say you were paying a full tithe. Stop with this nonesense about temples/money etc with the Church. Its all voluntarily. Final judgement will be passed by God.
  
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- ReaganBaby
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:47am
  False- No one has ever asked me for my tax return and no one has ever asked me to pay tithing. Always my own choice to pay and i am a Mormon
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:58am
  I was under the impression that if you want to get a “temple recommend”, you had to be a member of the LDS in good standing, and that includes the reasonable belief that you are tithing a full 10%. Can a member of the LDS who does not tithe get a recommendation to perform service at the temple, and does service at the temple bring you closer to the ultimate state that Heavenly Father desires for you?
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:43pm
  @TX
  You are right about paying tithing. We view it as a commandment from God, just like being chaste and faithful to your spouse. Going through the Temple has the potential to bring a person closer to God, but just like with reading the Bible, it usually depends on the users end. You can read through the Bible and just go through the motions or you can study it and live the teachings and get closer to God. The same is with the Temple and taking the promises you make serious.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:13pm
  Thanks, Joey8. I appreciate the answer.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:15pm
  @stegall
  No. No member who does not claim to pay a 10% tithe qualifies for a temple recommend. Yes, going to the temple does ‘bring you closer’ to God.
  
  Ever been on a service mission? Ever completely dedicated your time and life to Christ? Did you get closer to the Lord? It is the same principle. If you are unwilling to give 10% back to the Lord, (time, increase – income), then why would you expect to get the maximum aid from Him? 10% is nothing. If I was unwilling to give that much of my time and energy to God, then I honestly don’t know him and would not qualify for his blessings.
  
  Before the law of Moses, the great patriarch Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek,(Gen. 14:18-20), and during the law of Moses, Malachi rebuked Israel for not paying tithes, (Malachi 3:8-12), and after Christ fulfilled the law, the saints living with all things in common with the Apostles received all one owned in order to join their united order, (Acts 4:32-5:10).
  
  However, tithing has nothing to do with money, it is about willingness to sacrifice for God; becoming selfless and serving our fellow men, providing for those in need. Being tithed is a private matter between you and the Lord. No one pulls your tax records, You declare your tithed state to your leaders when getting a recommend. Your choice.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:22pm
  Thanks, Bornbitter. I have a much clearer understanding now.
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:46pm
  No one has ever asked for a tax return, but you try looking in your religious leader’s eyes and lying. I can’t. I know he sees right through me, and I would be ashamed to lie to him. As far as jobs, I’ve been given a couple I was pretty sure I wasn’t qualified for, and I was scared to death, but I have always been lifted up by faith ans able to do them. I love serving, and doing things for my Heavenly Father, it brings me peace and joy to serve Him. I have known people who cry when given a job for fear they won’t do well, but they always seem to rise to it.
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:48pm
  Not like that at all.
  
  Certain callings require you pay your own way while fulfilling them mainly Mission President. Thus Mission Presidents must show they have the resources to do so.
  
  Bishops must have enough free time to fulfill that calling.
  
  Obviously most higher callings require the person be well known in the community and well liked. But that is not a financial test.
  
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faddessi
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:57am
What about the White Horse Prophecy? If Romney is elected will he be required to make Mormanism the Official Religion of the United States? I honestly wonder if he believes that is his obligation as it says in the White Horse Prophesy. When asked he has never said I don’t believe it. He has only said I’ve never heard my name mentioned in relation to it. Very Scary Stuff!

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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:06am
  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has officially declared that the alleged “white horse prophecy” is not embraced as Church doctrine.
  
  http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/blog/2010/01/church-statement-on-white-horse-prophecy-and-political-neutrality.html
  
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- Alex
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:40am
  I am going to help you answer this question for yourself. Let us pretend just for the sake of argument, that Romney wants to make the LDS Church the state religion. Fine. Question: How on earth would he do that? I seriously want an answer. Take me through the logistics of this process, because I’ve heard this conspiracy theory for a long time from those who like to demonize the LDS Church, but I have never heard a reasonable explanation as to how it would be done.
  
  Look, if there is anyone that wants everyone to be Mormon it is me, and I’m telling you right now that I haven’t the slightest clue how we would do it, even if we wanted to. We are not interested in government imposed religion. For religion to have any value, it must be freely embraced and not imposed. We are in favor of having the freedom to preach the Gospel as we see fit, and to invite everyone to believe in Christ and to become baptised a member of the LDS Church. Nobody in this world, including members of my faith, can foist salvation on you by government dictate. Free will is paramount in our theology.
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:22pm
  Its a shame the Mormon church doesn’t embrace the White Horse Prophecy. Because it already happened and was entirely fulfilled – in the 19th Century. If actual history would be applied, without current political bias, its as plain as anything can be. I don’t think its as much divine prophecy, as Smith looking realisticly at how things were going, and the likely result. Note the date of the prophecy itself. Also, I’m inclined to believe that Smith’s preoccupation with gold led him to a good understanding of geology and what the Rockies likely meant in terms of minerology.
  
  Modern expectation of the “White Horse Prophecy” is very misled. If you make any modern connections to the prophecy, you are actually looking at the already concluded result – not the inception of its occurance.
  
  If you are a Mormon genealogist, take the current “Red / Blue” state populations and trace them back to their 19th Century orgins and on back – if they have any origins of the period. You’ll start to realize who the “Red People” actually were. They were certainly political refugees of the time Smith predicted.
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:40pm
  It is interesting that you bring up The White Horse Prophecy. There were early Mormons who recording this in their diaries early Mormons like many others often kept diaries. (see for example: Laura Ingalls Wilder — not Mormon but lived in the 19th Century). The White Horse Prophecy is not an official LDS doctrine nor belief. And BYU religious scholars are in debate about it. I suspect that Romney stating he didn’t see his name in the prophecy was simply an effort to dismiss the question. Do you see Romney’s name in the White Horse Prophecy from the 1800s? Of course not.
  
  If Romney wins the upcoming election, his being Mormon does NOT mean that he will force the USA to become Mormon. The LDS beliefs and teachings is that EVERYONE has what is known as “Free Agency” — ie the ability to make up their own minds about as to whether not they will become a Mormon. If you do any readings into LDS history and its historic teachings, the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith JR stated when he formed the city of Nauvoo, Ill. that people of ALL faiths were welcome to the city and there was a city ordinance prohibiting anyone from disrupting the religious services of others be they: Mormons, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, etc. Joseph Smith JR was constantly trying to get the US government and the state governments of his time to honor the US Constitution’s “religious freedom” clause.
  
  It is an irrational fear to think that folks would be forced to be Mormon.
  
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- UnreconstructedLibertarian
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:54pm
  I actually became acquainted with the “White Horse” prophecy through my son-in-law (a Mormon himself). He’d never heard of Glenn Beck before watching me replay his programs on a Sunday evening. I had been working alot and was catching up – watching several hours of replays back to back. He watched with me.
  
  I asked, “Have you ever known of this man before”. The reply, “No, but he is a Mormon – that much I’ll guarantee.” I was astonished and wanted to know how he knew. “His worldview and outcome analysis – its direct White Horse prophecy.”, was the reply I recieved. To my own detriment, I cannot recall the exact shows to cite – but they were in late summer last year and dealing with the coming Caliphate and how the Arab Spring would cascade through Europe. I began to study the prophecy – and was not happy when I began to see for myself the paralells. In fact, Glenn has made direct references to this prophecy, numerous times. The most identifiable and frequent being “..when the Constitution is hanging by a tiny thread, we will save it…”
  
  I will say this: If Glenn is influenced by this prophecy as something yet to come – he’s as fully dangerous as the 12′ers in Iran. I’ve said that before, and I still mean it. I certainly don’t project this view onto the whole of Mormons, but Glenn himself makes me wary in this regard.
  
  I will concur that its something Glenn needs to address, not as it relates to Romney – but to his own view.
  
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Centralsville
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:53am
This is where I part company with Glenn. Mormonism, like Islam, like Buddhism, was started by the visions of one man. Christ did miracles in front of many. He appeared after his death to many. As Christians we don’t have to take the word of one man and his visions.

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- TEIN
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:59am
  You better add Jews and house of Israel as well to your list..They followed Moses….
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:14am
  That’s a fair question… however, as you study the Bible, you will see a very clear pattern of the Lord calling a Prophet to be his mouthpiece here on Earth. Additionally, if you read the Book of Mormon, you will see in the first few pages the testimony of others who witnessed the Golden Plates which were later translated into the Book of Mormon. Finally, as you study The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you will see that in addition to the living Prophet, we have a Quorum of Twelve Apostles, exactly how Christ organized his Church.
  
  But most importantly, none of us are to believe anything regarding God without FIRST humbly approaching Him in prayer for confirmation through the Holy Ghost.
  
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- Centralsville
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:26am
  The Jews following Moses witnessed many mighty miracles from God.
  
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- gac1218
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:32am
  The problem patriot is the changing of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” It is by grace you are saved, not by works lest anyone can boast.” Mormonism says that is true only after “All you can do” which is in direct opposition to the truth of the gospel. Jesus was the one and only son of God but Mormonism includes Lucifer as a brother of Jesus putting him on an equal plane. The 10 commandments were seen and inscribed by God himself not some supposed angel. Whereas the golden plates have never been seen by anyone but Joseph Smith. I don’t deny that Joseph Smith didn’t receive a visitation just like I don’t deny that Mohamed didn’t receive a visitation. Problem is their visitors were Demonic angels sent to deceive. I have been told by Mormons that the translations of the golden plates were not even correct and that the writings were about things that had no relation to what Joseph Smith said. The Mormon doctrine of us all being Gods when we die, with celestial wives and kingdoms of our own, is not born out but completely contradicted with the Bibles teachings on heaven and our role there and contradicts our role in the new heaven and new earth as citizens of God almighty’s new Jerusalem. Also, Jesus said we wouldn’t be married in heaven, so how can we have celestial wives. I could go on and on but I think this is adequate to prove the falseness of the Mormon religion, unless of course you’re just fighting to be right and not interested in the truth. (kind of like our polit
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:05pm
  GAC1218
  Wow.
  …and this is EXACTLY what Beck was talking about with the statement of “lies, half-truths, and misconceptions”.
  The book of James and the ENTIRE book of Romans were very clear on works and grace; you need both, or the 3 years Christ spent teaching us on WHAT and HOW to do things were worthless.
  
  Your assumption that we believe that Christ and lucifer are equals based on what you call ‘brothers’.. wow. Absolutely false. Are not Hitler, Mother Teresa, Stalin, Jim Jones, Gandhi, Mao, Genghis Khan, and Mohammad on the same plane/race as you? Are you not all created by God and therefore ‘brothers or sisters? Does that make you equal? We believe that Christ is the only begotten son of God. Sharing a distant source does NOT create equality nor does the outcome due to individual choice. There is not enough space to fully address it here, as even your post was truncated. …there simply is not enough room for discussion here. Nor would anything I say change your mind, which is why most LDS will not try to answer questions based on anti-LDS literature and lies; you’ve already decided not to listen.
  
  This thread, this presentation of Beck’s is NOT to convert anyone, it is to discount the lies. This thread is about understanding, not what you perceive of others beliefs.
  
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- self-reliant man
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:15pm
  So you were there? If not, you have to take the words of another man.
  
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- gac1218
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:21pm
  Bornbitter
  You are clearly deceived in your beliefs or intentenally deceptive. Just like Jesus told the Pharisees, “you err because you don’t know scripture” Being able to read and repeat the words of scripture doesn’t bring understanding. Works are not required along with grace, but are a symptom of a true faith. Some have more works and some less works, at what point is it enough. 50 works, 100 works, works every day or once a week. I guess when your works reach 70 x 7 or 490 like Jesus about forgiveness then that would be enough. You are accepted and favored because you love Jesus for his sacrifice for you, not because you did something for Him, He did it all for you. By the way you manipulated your answer to the fact the the Book of Morman teaches you can only be saved after all you can do. The what and how is also what our parents teach us to protect us and help us live productive lives, but they love us because we are their children not because of what we do or don’t do. There are many christians who also have this misconception about grace.
  Jesus and Satan are not the same race. Satan is an angel,Jesus is spirit and flesh. In your arguement you say we don’t believe they are brothers then you turn around and argue that they are brothers. Which is it? The lies, half truths and misconception are coming from the Mormon church, and some flesh led christians also. I know a lot about Mormons celestial beliefs and the fact remains, that most are contrary to the Bible.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:44pm
  @GAC
  It’s as simple as “if ye love me, keep my commandments”. You don’t follow Jesus and keep his commandments because you’ll get a reward, you do it because you love Him. So obviously, if you don’t love Him, you won’t keep his commandments
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:22pm
  Fast Facts on Mormonism – The Church of Jesus Christ of
  Latter Day Saints
  Mormonism is not Christianity. It is a cult. Here are facts that are far from Christian doctrine or are even in the Bible.
  Mormons declare that the Book of Mormon is a second testament of Jesus Christ. However, unlike the Bible, the Book of Mormon fails the tests of historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for its claims.
  Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone and was once a mortal man who evolved to become a god (counter: John 4:24; Malachi 3:6; Psalm 90:2).
  Mormons are polytheists and believe that all male Mormons can become gods themselves (counter: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
  Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, that he was conceived through physical relations between Father God and Mary, and that our salvation is not based solely on the cross and blood of Jesus Christ. Notice, you will never see a cross on a Mormon church or temple (counter: John 1:1-3; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35; 1 John 1:7-9; Colossians 1:19-20).
  Mormonism is a religion of works that denies the truth of salvation by grace alone through faith alone (counter: Ephesians 2:8-9; John 6:28-29).
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:51pm
  GAC1218
  Christ told the rich man to sell all that he had and give to the poor and follow Christ. He did not. That sounds a lot like “all that you can do”.
  
  You are only saved through grace. We absolutely believe that. We believe that if you truly believe in Christ you will do exactly as Christ told that rich man to do. All that you can do.
  
  But you are absolutely correct. There will be many Christ will tell I never knew you. That thought they were doing all they could do. Simply because they never knew Christ. They simply obeyed a law for some other reason than a true belief in Christ. We must accept Jesus Christ completely. Anyone that does will keep his commandments to the best of their abilities. All that our church ask of us.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:56pm
  Admit it none of you have legitimately had any type of supernatural being speak to you.
  
  You only rely on your own thoughts and feelings and then say that they must be from your God.
  
  As you said, “God expressed himself through a prophet.”
  
  Yet you all think each others prophets are false or not telling the full story.
  
  It’s downright laughable.
  
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taxpro4u03
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:52am
I’d be interested to hear him elaborate on Joseph Smith’s acquisition of Egyptian antiquities (presumably from the Valley of the Kings, tomb of Amenemhet the First — which ‘some’ believe is the Biblical Joseph — ) – Also — don’t know where Smith got his ‘training’ to be able to read/interpret ancient egyptian writing/hieroglyphs – ancient texts from the middle east and eastern cultrure predate by jundreds if not thousands of years, the similar ‘stories’ found in both the old and new testAMENt of the christian bible, as well as the Koran — Scholars can agree to disagree — however – if one puts ALL the texts TOGETHER, the similarities are uncanny… Myths and legends aside – MOST tell the same ‘stories’ using different ‘names’ for the characters… Enlightenment can be a POWERFUL thing once the ‘masses’ discover that in fact the Earth is NOT ‘flat…’ :-) They are more difficult to ‘control.’

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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:34am
  As to your question regarding how Joseph Smith translated ancient texts, he described how he did this in Joseph Smith History 1:35 – he used what is called a Urim and Thummim.
  
  Urim and Thummim is a Hebrew term that means Lights and Perfections; an instrument prepared of God to assist man in obtaining revelation from the Lord and in translating languages.
  
  If you’re curious about the Urim and Thummim, its explained well in the Bible. See Ex. 28:30; Lev. 8:8; Num. 27:21; Deut. 33:8; 1 Sam. 28:6; Ezra 2:63; and Neh. 7:6.
  
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- saranda
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:59pm
  @pap8triot- did j. Smith use them or did he use his hat and a seer stone as he also describes? And while on the topic, how did he “translate” the golden tablets when they were not always in the room with him? And as for the translation, why was he not able to reproduce the translation on the lost 116 pages?
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:08pm
  @saranda,
  
  That is a very good and fair question. The short answer is that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon through the “gift and power of God.” Thus, there were several ways in which God allowed Joseph to translate. But isn’t it amazing that he was able to do it in 85 days while having a very elementary education. As he was translating he would often have to stop for longer words and even sound out or spell out some of the words. For a more detailed explanation, please read the following article:
  
  http://www.lds.org/ensign/1993/07/a-treasured-testament?lang=eng&query=treasured+testament+elder+m.+(name%3a“Russell+M.+Nelson”)
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:32pm
  @sandra
  lol. It is so funny to me when people find it easy to believe that the Lord can work through stones tied to metal, but then don’t believe God can work through stones… this is often an accusation in anti-LDS literature, and an amusing misconception. The whole basis of the question is silly to me. Sorry. I mean, we ARE talking about God here, right? The burning bush guy, the stone tablets guy, the brazen snake healing, the trumpets and walls of Jericho… feel free to tell God that He can’t do something the way he wants to, I’ll just accept what He says He did. lol… sorry for sarcastic response.
  
  Joseph Smith Jr. said he learned (was trained) how to translate through the Urim and thummim. You’ve been given a reference. The question was for the training. As for the entire process, much was involved, and Joseph Smith Jr. actually stated that eventually he was able to recognize and read it without ‘aids’. Makes sense to me.
  
  As for if this actually happened or not, it is LDS doctrine to ask God yourself. …sorry, that’s why I responded the way I did in the beginning. Ask Him, He’ll tell you. (We are even told so by James. –>James 1:5-6)
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:29pm
  Read the writings of Jerald and Sandra Tanner, these will shed some light on the true history of Mormonism.
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:30pm
  We do not worship Joseph Smith in any way. We do not consider him perfect or even close to that.
  
  We do believe he brought forth the Book of Mormon and that it is a true Book of Scripture.
  
  Joseph Smith himself many times stated he had made mistakes in his life. Few in the church believe some of the things Joseph Smith taught polygamy being the most notorious. Jacob 2 in the Book of Mormon is very clear it is evil and always was always will be.
  
  Personally I do not believe in the Book of Abraham or the “Inspired version” of the bible. I consider these Joseph Smiths opinions nothing more. You are right they do not hold up.
  
  But the Book of Mormon does. It is true and the only book we are told to read daily. Though we study the Bible as well.
  
  Personally I feel Joseph Smith was quite wrong at the end of his life on a number of subjects. Masonry being the worst.
  
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RAMJR
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:49am
The questions I have are, to the Mormon religion do you believe there is or is not a Holy Trinity? To the Mormon religion, is Jesus a being that is separate from God? The doctrine that Mormons add to the Bible, what, who and why is this? Per the Mormon belief, how do you get to Heaven? Why all the secrecy, from what I have heard, the the Mormon religion? What would you change, in the Mormon religion, if you could/had a say? Is it true that some sects of the Mormon belief, have different belief than the majority? What are they and why? (if there are), and last, is there anything you want to address, in the Christian (fundamental) religion, in addressing the Mormon belief?

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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:04am
  here is the link to find out for yourself what the LDS believe http://mormon.org/what-do-mormons-believe
  
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- AccountableAmerican
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:18am
  I love how people talk about the secrecy in the Mormon faith. Members of our church love to talk to anyone about what we believe. We do believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are separate. The doctrine of the Trinity was never spoken about by Jesus. There is enough evidence in the Bible that they are separate and distinct with a common purpose. When Christ was baptized by John, a voice from heaven declared, “this is my beloved son”, then the Holy Ghost descended on him like a dove. It seems obvious to us that they are separate. We realize others do not share this belief and that’s okay. This is about tolerance for differences and an attempt to better understand one another. We also believe we are led by a modern prophet of God, as His children were led in ancient times and w don’t try to change the church to suit social trends or change what God has commanded. I hope this helps. We have had critics for a long time and we have had to have a firm faith to withstand it. Thanks for wanting to know more. You can go to http://www.mormon.org or http://www.lds.org to know all about our secrets.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:21am
  God, Jesus and the Holy ghost are ONE in purpose/love/goal etc. As per MANY scriptures in the OT and NT they are 3 SEPARATE individuals in terms of bodies. Read the Book of Mormon and decide for yourself if anything is added to the OT and NT. Remember the NT added to the OT. You get to heaven by the GRACE of Christ. It is expected that you follow his commandments. Just like how the protestants separated from the Catholic church, different sects believe different things. The LDS church believes that Christ it the ONLY savior – he bled/died for our sins. Only through his atonement can we return to God. The LDS church believes in prophets/apostles (just like the old times). There is no reason why that same pattern that existed before shouldn’t exist today. Are prophets perfect beings – no! Moses disbelieved God during the water/rock incident – Peter denied the Christ – Jonah ran away from God – etc. Christs church fell away after the death of his apostles the unrelenting persecution from Romans and Jews and a fragment of his original teachings remained. Protestants did their best with what light they had to bring back Bible Teachings. But like your minister/pastor he’s just a man interpreting the Bible. Read Amos 3:7. The LDS Church believes that Christ’s Church was restored to bring back and restore truths that were lost/modified etc. In the NT it says “One Lord. One Faith. One Baptism”. But if you really want to know more – pick up a free copy of the Book of Mormo and pr
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:32pm
  We believe in only one GOD for this Earth.
  
  We believe that GOD is a calling like Pope. Although there have been many Popes there is only one at any one time.
  
  We believe that Heavenly Father is GOD. We also believe that Jesus Christ is GOD. We also believe that the Holy Ghost is GOD. The three of them share the Calling of GOD for this Earth. Nearly all Christian Religions believe in the Godhead consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. We believe this as well. We believe that only one acts as GOD at any one time.
  
  We only differ from the others in that we believe that GOD has always existed and has created worlds without end in numbers too large for our minds to even understand. GOD has always existed no beginning and no end. Each World had its Father, Son and Holy Ghost. There is only one plan and that plan has always existed and always will. It is GOD’s Eternal Plan of Salvation.
  
  We believe we have a very limited understanding of that plan.
  
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Wigan
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:49am
If you wiki Joseph Smith, there are many rather disturbing facts there regarding the founder of the Mormon faith
1. Joseph was a treasure hunter who would put seer stones into his stovepipe hat, then look at the reflections in the stone to find the treasure
2. In 1823, Smith claimed to be visited by the angel Moroni who told him where to find lenses made of seer stones and the golden plates, the source of the text of the book of Mormon. He claimed an angel prevented him from removing the plates from the hill.
3. In 1826, he was brought before a court on charges of “glass looking” and pretending to find lost treasure
4. Smith purportedly translated the Egyptian characters on the golden plates into the book of Mormon by peering at it with seer stones, in which he would put the plate in the stove pipe hat, put the stone on top of it, and put his face into the hat to peer at the words.

It appears from the above that the prophet of the church of Mormon was a snake oil salesman type involved in a lot of bunk stuff. How much faith do these facts surrounding the book of Mormon give adherents of the Mormon faith to the authenticity of the book as being from divine sources?

The other big question I have is the tales of advanced pre-Columbian civilizations that were supposed to be in North America in the teachings of the faith have not been born out by archaeological digs. How do adherents square this absence of corroboration? There are many archaelogical digs supporting old

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- GlennaBeckski
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:16am
  Agree with you regarding Joseph Smith being a stone seer or basically using a crystal ball.
  
  Glenn you are a smart man and I challange you to watch “Rejoice Tube Mormonism VS Christianity Part 1-12. The host is John Ankerberg and he is interviewing Sandra Tanner who is the great great granddaughter of Brigham Young.
  
  I pray you will take the time to listen to this with your heart as well as your ears. If you refuse to acknowledge the Truth.. you have essentially elevated your wife and morman faith above Jesus Christ.
  
  May you find the Truth and be set Free.
  Glenna B.
  
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- Mr.-FreeMarket
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:45am
  Using the great great granddaughter of Brigham Young. as an authority is a logical fallacy. It is an appeal to authority. It is like claiming that you are 1/32 Native American, therefore you understand the problems affecting Native Americans.
  
  As to archeological evidence, the Nephites preferred using wood as a building material. Wood structures don’t last long.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:49am
  @WIGAN,
  
  Please see my above post regarding Joseph Smith’s use of the Urim and Thummim to translate ancient texts. (See Ex. 28:30; Lev. 8:8; Num. 27:21; Deut. 33:8; 1 Sam. 28:6; Ezra 2:63; Neh. 7:65 for further descriptions).
  
  As for your assertion that Joseph Smith was a “snake oil salesman” based upon him being charged with religious-based crimes – I sure hope you don’t feel the same way about another who was charged and given the death penalty around 33 AD.
  
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- Wigan
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:33pm
  Mr. Freemarket-
  
  I remember as a kid being entertained by In Search Of, one episode of which claimed to have found timbers from Noah’s ark, which, according to carbon dating, were consistent with the time period in question. Stone age civilizations leave arrowheads etc for us to find long afterwards. I won’t quote it here, but it seems like the prevailing sentiment is there is no archaeological evidence, see
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephites
  
  and scroll down to the “Archaeological evidence and disputes” section. Is the “wood based civilization” argument that you cite widely held by Mormons, or is that your theory? I am just trying to understand.
  
  P8triot- in that time period there were a lot of people pushing quackery and things that in hindsight seem strange from a modern scientific perspective. For instance you have dowsers, people who believed magnetic fields cured headaches, a huge range of folk medicines that have since been demonstrated to primarily work based upon the placebo effect. Houdini was debunking various spiritualism frauds. I lump these guys into the category of snake oil salesmen. I don’t see people with seeing stones these days, and have seen no objective proof of their efficacy, although I have seen some interesting stuff with dowsing.
  
  The Mormons I have known have been good people, admirable in the ways they comport themselves and live. I just never got good explanations for the above stuff, and it has always bugged me.
  
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- Mr.-FreeMarket
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:23pm
  Wigan, the “wood” theory isn’t widely held but is clearly outlined in the Book of Mormon.
  
  For example:
  Jarom 1:8
  8 And we multiplied exceedingly, and spread upon the face of the land, and became exceedingly rich in gold, and in silver, and in precious things, and in fine workmanship of wood, in buildings, and in machinery, and also in iron and copper, and brass and steel, …
  
  No mention of stone buildings.
  
  2 Nephi 5:15
  15 And I did teach my people to build buildings, and to work in all manner of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.
  
  Mosiah 11:9
  9 And he also built him a spacious palace, and a throne in the midst thereof, all of which was of fine wood and was ornamented with gold and silver and with precious things.
  
  Helaman 3:11
  11 And thus they did enable the people in the land northward that they might build many cities, both of wood and of cement.
  
  First time that buildings out of cement are mentioned. They preferred using wood.
  
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Thelittleflower
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:47am
Because Mr. Beck is so involved in studying history, I would challenge him to study the History of the Catholic church vs. the history of the Mormon church. I have never met a Mormon that can answer this question. How could the Catholic church have fallen into total apostasy when Jesus promised us in Matthew 16:18 that “…you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Yes the church is made up of imperfect humans, but Jesus promised us that His Church (and all of the beautiful teachings) would remain pure and untouched by evil. Also, who do Mormons believe wrote the Bible? I’ve found that they have a hard time agreeing that the early Catholic church is responsible for writing down the inspired word of God and preserving it for centuries, all the while falling into apostasy. I just don’t buy the common missionary line, “Pray about the book of Mormon. Pray that the Holy Spirit will show you that it is true.” Why would I do that when the Bible tells me that Christ’s original (Catholic) church would never be touched by evil and is therefore the one true Church that Jesus himself started? I would challenge The Blaze to do the same type of show on Catholicism since it is a highly mocked and misrepresented religion in the media. Invite clergy and some great Catholic apologists like Tim Staples, Scott Hahn, or Jimmy Akin to defend our beautiful faith as well. God Bless!

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- MBridOKC
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:11am
  You’re getting too specific. “CHURCH” as Christ refers to it is not just the Catholic church, and is not what the church is so far as buildings, and clergy etc. It encompasses the entire body of believers in the Christian faith. The body as Jesus refers to it is all believers who make up the church. Not the church building or denomination, etc.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:29am
  You misinterpret what “Rock” meant. Rock is Christ/Revelation – plenty of references throughout the OT regarding this (that Christ is the Rock of our Salvation, etc). Satan shall not prevail against Christ’s true church. LDS believe the Bible was written by Prophets and Apostles. You ignore the plethora of scripture references of the Apostasy. Read a non-Catholic version Bible and you’ll see this. If you don’t buy the “pray” line then that’s to your own fault. A promise has been given. Read the Book of Mormon sincerely and then pray to know if it is the word of God. Its pointless to debate this if you can’t/wont do this. You mentioned a promise that the Catholic church wouldn’t be touched by evil. You forget the countless atrocities committed by the Catholic church – women pope – child pope- supporting Nazis, forcing Catholicism by the sword with the Aztecs, Philippines, etc. The Catholic Church is a great church but the tenants have been changed and now a mutation of what Christ originally taught (baptism by immersion, false worshiping of saints, salvation only through Christ/not also by Mary, original sin (we are only accountable for our own sins – scriptures in the OT also confirm this), praying to crosses/statutes, etc.
  
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- Mr.-FreeMarket
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:41am
  The bible was written by inspired men who witnessed the events that they wrote of. It was not written by the Catholic Church. If you want to say it was complied and preserved by the Catholic Church, we maybe could agree on that.
  
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- maggie-140
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:56am
  Areyouapuppet- Everything you say about the church as an evil is not Doctrine. littleflower they tell you to pray and God will tell you by giving you a warm feeling in your heart and you will just know thanks to the holy spirt. If I depended on that kind of thing I would have been married to several nasty guys because every time i prayed for God to tell me he is the one I got that warm feeling they talked about. You God gave us the gift of reason so that we can learn who he is and through that ability to learn make a wise choice. YOU CAN NOT MAKE CHOICES ON FEELINGS BECAUSE THEY CAN BE WRONG. Now, You are right about Peter his name does mean, Rock. He was declared the first leader of the church and everything he deems doctrine will now be just that and will not be changed or touched by Satan. If someone looks up doctrine of the early church they will see it has not changed though men who are not perfect have done bad things the Doctrine has remained the same. Satan works hard to bring many people down in order to pull them away from the true presence of our Lord. Stay strong and Remember to always say, Jesus I trust in you.
  
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- cmaczko
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:38pm
  Jesus was not referring to Peter as the stone on which the church would be built – he was referring to himself. And he did that. He IS our rock, our salvation. God in Heaven, give us all wisdom. You don’t want a ONE of us to perish – and so many of us are seeking the truth = You. I ask you would bless us with discernment, understanding and protection from the enemy as we seek YOU (=truth) in this issue. I ask that you will not allow your church to be divided, but that the body of Christ will stand together, give us understanding over these items of confusion (as the devil is the author of confusion) – that we would all recognize the truth – and stand together to honor You. Don’t allow us to be bogged down by confusion. Give us focus on the items that matter and let us dismiss what does not. Remove all stumbling blocks. I choose to stand with Christ Jesus. Lord, enable us to bless You!!!!!!!! In Jesus’ MIGHTY name!
  
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- Texas.7
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:02pm
  TheLittleFlower,
  Do you want to hear something awesome about that verse?
  
  Matthew 16:18 that “…you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
  
  Peter, or Petros meant rock or stone in Greek. Jesus is the Rock, and we join with Him and are saved through faith. Just as Abraham was rewarded through his faith, and all of the world would be blessed through the Jews, Peter represented that bedrock faith, the sure foundation, explained in the prior verse.
  
  Matt 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
  
  For it is His victory that we are given, and greater is He who is in us, than he who is in the world. Jesus Himself tore the veil for us. Yet we also burst thru in His strength thru His victory.
  
  But God knew that there would be a Peter. He knew the Greek name for Rock would correspond to an English name Peter. And He knew that we would be admiring His awesomeness right here, right now! For He planted a Hebrew word which describes the second part of the sentence…
  
  “…you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
  
  H6363 Peter a fissure, i.e. (concretely) firstling (as opening the matrix), shooting forth, free (from 6362 shoot out, escape, burst through- as from prison.)
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 3:57pm
  For over a hundred years there were two Popes. The Catholic story falls apart time and time again. Plus many tie the Catholic Church to the Anti-Christ. Scripture is interpreted many different ways by many different people.
  
  Christianity has been on the earth ever since Christ came here. That is all that was meant.
  
  Christ will help every soul that seeks him. Will answer every righteous prayer in Christ way. We as LDS have no monopoly on Christ. We simply believe that when he comes again he will do so through our church.
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:20pm
  Go FURTHER — the ‘story’ goes, ‘jews’ ‘rejected’ Jesus as the ‘Christ’ (or whatever) – Rome was the dominant ‘force’ in the region – “Pontious Pilat” – is claimed to have ‘washed his hands’ of the ‘crucifiction,’ allowing the ‘democratic voice vote’ to either let a murderer free, or a ‘claimed son of god’ (bear in mind the Romans at that time deified Caesar – in Alexandria EGYPT at this SAME time, during her Jubilee, Cleopatra was ALSO deified; – her SON, Caesarian — is KNOWN to have been the off-spring of JULIUS CAESAR and Cleopatra — i.e. — ‘son -of-god.’ (co-gods) This is in the historical record ASIDE from the ‘myths and legends’ of the Good book **S** {plural} meaning Holy Bible/Qu’aran/& other significant Abrahamic texts. fastforward to 325a.d. — CONSTANTINE at the first Council at Nicea…—> “Pope”= ‘VICAR’ of Christ… The POPE lays claim to the COVENANT i.e. ‘OWNERSHIP’ (as opposed to STEWARDSHIP) of the whole of planet earth. Herein lies the ‘holy war’ dilemma (Saladin whoops Crusaders/Knights TEMPLARS i.e. Popes private army – captures Jerusalem etc back in the day – builds their dome of the Rock etc…) Re: Glenn’s ‘all seeing eye/’ “Illuminati”/freemasonry — It is ROOTED in EGYPTIAN mythology – an outgrowth of the ancients. Stick a ‘label’ on it — . Doesn’t change what it “IS” — ‘God’ — IS (that’s what he called Himself: “I AM” — He “is,” that — which nothing Greater can be concieved. — ‘person
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:10pm
  TAXPRO4U03
  
  Yes. Freemasonry rooted in the ancient Baal religion. Taught against throughout the Old Testament.
  
  Joseph Smith embraced this and was murdered shortly after doing so even though prior to this he escaped death time after time. Like the bible says even the elect will be led astray. That does not mean Joseph Smith was wrong about the Book of Mormon years earlier.
  
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- joboww
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:56pm
  Little Flower:
  
  thank you for your witness.
  
  Only problem is the people on this board are not really interested in the Petros, petra arguement. We can argue until we are all blue in the face but they being Protestants are their own Pope and thats why there are at least 10000 denominations with different doctrines abounding.
  Petros & Petra in aramaic is Kepha which is the point that Peter who is granted authority, not above Christ but sharing as a free gift the office of vicar. Protestants will not be able to understand this until they understand how the Kingdom is the perfection of the Davidic Kingdom.
  
  Further resources for those actually interested:
  http://www.Catholic.com (enter any question, including above)
  http://www.catholicintl.com/ (good articles)
  And specifiaclly for those that want a therough understanding of the Papacy so at least you can have more effective arguements against it: http://www.philvaz.com/ScottHahnCatholicObjectionsCOMPLETE.mp3; the first talk is the one to listen to
  
  I hope that helps, I know you will disagree, But of course you are your own authority when interpreting what scripture means….so he who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me and the one who sent me
  
  Deo Gracias
  
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P8riot
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:42am
THANK YOU Glenn for doing this!

As one of the “Mormons” on this site who have been buffering all the false statements about our faith for many months now – I AM SO HAPPY that what we truly believe will finally be presented fairly.

It does NOT drive me crazy when people don’t share my beliefs, but it DOES drive me crazy when people misrepresent my beliefs. Usually, they are just cutting and pasting from some anti-mormon website and don’t know that they have been misled.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:42am
  Don’t thank Beck. You’ve been one of the best representatives on here regarding Mormons. Whenever, someone says something bad about Mormons, I think… nah that can’t be true because P8triot’s a good egg. Romney’s still a giant douche though. :)
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:15pm
  @justangry
  
  Thanks brother. I appreciate that. I have to admit that I respect libertarians much more because of how well you’ve represented your side of things (and SOYBOMB has been a great representative as well)!
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:32pm
  Polarized, I understand why he said that, for a long time it has been very hard for us as LDS to explain pro-choice in context with our beliefs. We strongly believe in free agency, the right to choose good or evil. Every person on earth has that right, and that is pro choice. We cannot stop another from doing wrong. We can try to change their mind if we know about it, but if a person chooses sin-killing a baby without a very good reason-how can you stop them? I have always felt that putting it in law was horrible, because it took the emotionl part out and didn’t make women think about their action before, and it’s been proven they suffer afterward. We are pro-free agency, because it’s God given, we hope woman will not choose to do evil, but no one can stop anyone from choosing. Do you see the conundrum? We have to be pro -free agency, we hate the results. Romney is right, we can’t stop it, only pray God will touch their hearts.
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:36pm
  P8triot, I thank you too. Sometimes my blood pressure rises when I read some of the disspicable stuff on here about our faith, you are much calmer than I am, when I am muttering “shmuck” under my breath, you gentley explain. I appreciate you!
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:26pm
  Jenny,
  
  you’re not giving yourself enough credit! I read your post this morning regarding how your faith helps you fulfill your callings… great post!
  
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Ted Zeppelin
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:42am
It occurs to me that if Mr. Beck were truely interested in receiving input from this audience, he would have made this annoouncement a week or so ago or when this topic was first discussed within his group.

I’ll submit my question. Why does the main stream media (Obama Zipper Polishers) crucify Mitt Romney, but never Harry Reid who is also Mormon?

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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:51am
  As far as I can tell by Reid’s words and actions, he isn’t living the tenants of our faith.So he overlooked. I would love to hear him answer questions on his faith, that would be instructive.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:08am
  Great, let’s have Mitt answer those questions. too.
  
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- mb525
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:18am
  Glenn, I know you can’t answer for Reid, can you get someone else to answer for him? Reid is for abortion, gay marriage, and pro government. You have said that you have to earn the right to go inside a temple. something about them being sacred? Does Reid has this right? can his right be revoked? who holds one accountable to be as you put it “worthy”? I have meet a quite a few Mormons were I live. Apart from being the nicest people, and very excepting of who you are they are very much liberal. Some here have Mormons for Obama bumper sticker. is your church divided?
  
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- Polarized America
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:23am
  …JENNY.I’m not defending Reid’s words and actions,..but what about Romney ?
  Romney is in high standings in the Mormon faith,he’s been a leader in his Church. done many good things, but after viewing his debates with Kennedy i’m a bit confused about his convictions !
  Because i believe, when a person becomes a Faith leader he should be held to a higher standard.But with Kennedy, Romney was”" pro choice”" claimed to be better on gay rights than Kennedy”" etc.
  But now he would ( if he could ) turn over roe v wade, DADT, and is against gay marriage..
  Not that i disagree with him, its more like i don’t understand him, and at this point i’m not sure if i trust him . and i don’t buy ..”"well that’s what he felt then”" he’s been a Faith leader longer then a Politician
  
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- AnAmericanToo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:42pm
  MB525 — you have a funny question “Is your church divided?” Well way, way, way back in Mormon history the US GOVERNMENT imposed itself upon the LDS Church in Utah. In order for Utah to become a state the FEDERAL government DEMANDED that the Mormons not be in one political party. They were in one particular party though I don’t recall right now which one it was. So the LDS Church assigned political party members to make the federal government happy. One for Republicans; One for Democrats etc. The Mormons were also forced by the federal government in the 1800s to reverse the rights of women such that Mormon women who could vote were denied the right to vote by the federal government. It would not be until the 20th Century that women in America were given the right to vote. (Mormons were ahead of their time it would appear.)
  
  Yes — the Mormon church historically was divided by the federal government.
  
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awake2012
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:40am
God Bless you Glenn, I’m studying to become a Mormon myself and look forward to this show tonight.

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- Granny58
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:39am
  Just curious, why Mormon?
  
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PeppermintCrush
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:40am
THANK YOU Glen!

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G.E.R
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:39am
How good of a Mormon do you have to be to get your own world and be god over it.

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- LibertyGoddess
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:51am
  Your comment is a perfect example of being misinformed. You don’t become a God over a planet of your own for being a good Mormon. What the LDS believe is that your progression does not stop after this life. There will be plenty of learning and millions of years to become like God. Of course, the Mormons don’t exclude others who did not know of Christ or fully understand Christ. There is plenty of learning going on after this life as there was before this life. This life was to about being separated from God to learn how to develop faith and to be afflicted with struggle and pain. Drop the sensationalizing of becoming a God.
  
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- TEIN
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:10am
  @ GER When you reach this level: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matt. 5:48) …. let me know…
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:20am
  We do know that through the merits Christ man can become “joint hiers with Christ” (Rom. 8:17) to “all things that the Father hath” (John 16:15). What exactly that means is still a matter of speculation since it has not been all revealed to us yet. I will say this, God is not the God of just one planet, he is the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and his Son is the Lord of the Universe, and I for one will ever be subject to God and worship him continually forever and ever.
  
  Check out this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_ytRbZiu4
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:22am
  Mormons believe that within the Celestial Kingdom there are three divisions, and those in the highest of these divisions will be permitted to live “the kind of life God lives” as literal gods and goddesses. It’s in Doctrine and Covenants 132
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:35am
  @G.E.R
  
  It’s also in John 17:20-24 (see this link http://classic.scriptures.lds.org/en/john/17).
  
  But neither reference says anything about anyone having their own planet per se. If we are to be joint heirs with Christ, I think having our own planet seems kind of “small” seeing that Christ will inherit “all” the Father has.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:46am
  GER – yes the LDS faith believes that at some DISTANT point in time – when that man/woman has been perfected they can become exalted and attain greater knowledge, love and power. If your seriously read your old and NT you’ll see MANY references that we can become equal to God. Now – lets be clear. We have only one God and One Savior. And for now, our faith in Christ and following his commandments are the ONLY things we should be engaged in. God will reward us accordingly as we progress in our faith and knowledge of the universe. Is this heretical to believe that we can continue to grow in our evolution as children of God? Nay nay! God wants us to share in his glory and power and teach us to become more like him -but that is an evolutionary thing. Search your OT and NT – the references are there! And if you think its giberish so be it. We still believe in Christ our Savior (as our only Savior).
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:10pm
  I find the story that a collection of ancient writings engraved on golden plates by ancient prophets, that was buried near a hill in New York, claiming a people whom God had led from Jerusalem to the Western Hemisphere 600 years before Jesus birth, is just that a story. The same way I believe that the first members of our species were fashioned out of dirt and divine breath in garden with a talking snake is just a story.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:39pm
  @GER
  but you have no problem believe that Noah fit 2 of every animal in a boat, that a donkey spoke to a Prophet, that trumpets knocked down city walls, that Jesus walked on water, that Jesus was resurrected? Right now, regardless of your religion, I would hope that you would understand that faith is not having a perfect knowledge of things. Don’t believe the words of God because they make the most sense to you because what happens when the deceiver brings along something that makes more sense? The Holy Spirit is there to teach you all things, so pray to God for truth. He is the true source and He gives to everyone liberally.
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:16pm
  No free thinking intelligent human being would believe that Noah who was 600 years old at the time, built an ark and 2-7 of every species of animal was within walking distance of it, and 8 people took care of them for a 150 days. Also there’s not one first hand account of Jesus or his actions. All the stories about him are written well after his supposed death. It’s all superstitious metaphysical nonsense.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:28pm
  @GER
  Ah ok, i see that you don’t believe in any of the scriptures. I’m sorry that I assumed you were of one of the Christian sects. Well, I admit I believe in some pretty ridiculous things and I wouldn’t believe them unless I had the experiences I had. All I can say is try it out for yourself. Ask God sincerely if he is there, having an open mind and a willingness to follow him if he exists.
  
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- G.E.R
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 2:11pm
  With over 30,000 christian sects to choose from which one is right?
  
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Gregg Weber
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:39am
I compare clothing normally worn under normal cothing to what a Catholic priest wears during Mass. Something that reminds everyone of some important thing or event.

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ItBites
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:35am
Glenn, I wish you well with your broadcast this evening. I am not a Morman but an evangelical Christian, and I do have preconceived notions about Mormanism. I look forward to seeing your show and learning more about it. Regardless of whether your show changes or strengthens my personal views, it has no bearing on this citizen’s confidence in Mitt Romney as the best counterpoint we can have to another Obama presidency.

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- ozchambers
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:13pm
  I too am an evangelical Christian and have my own doubts/questions about Mormonism and whether it should be considered truly Christian. However, I have personally seen Glenn many years ago give a passionate Gospel message that sounded exactly like it could have come from the pulpit of my church, and I believe God is clearly working in his life. My support of Glenn is unchanged regardless of my views of his faith. I know that some of the things I have heard about LDS are biased, and I believe that Glenn will give honest answers to these questions.
  
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Wango
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:34am
As a Mormon, is Mitt bound to carry out the directives of the church president?

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- PeppermintCrush
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:41am
  No.
  
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- LibertyGoddess
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:53am
  Does Harry Reid?
  
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- Wango
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:21am
  Thomas Monson says differently.
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:48am
  Did King David, King Saul, King Solomon? Nay! They fell even with prophets by their side. Each leader makes their own decisions REGARDLESS of what a Prophet of God tells them. If Mitt were smart he would heed their counsel. But know this. God’s civic government is not for our time – it is for when Christ returns. So no need to fear a “mormon government”. Only Satan’s government will flourish on the earth.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:51pm
  They tried that one on JFK and the Pope Wango…and I bet you sceamed bloody murder about it.
  
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- saranda
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:32pm
  Gonzo, catholics don’t think take blood oaths like Mitt certainly did prior to 1990. I have no belief that this would conflict his ability as president, but it is a major difference from the catholics.
  
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EqualJustice
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:31am
Why is it a big deal the Romney is Mormon and NOT a big deal the Harry Reid is? I bet if Harry were not Mormon we would have seen a lot more attacks by now and this would have been a HUGE issue for the Democrats!

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- floridareader
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:43am
  Because the big noise comes from the Liberal’s side. And they never, ever, look into their own, no matter what. It has happened all the time with every issue. Obama’s administration is full of tax-cheat officials and employees, but it is Romney the one at fault.
  They basically forced governor Mark Sanford to quit for being unfaithful to his wife with one woman, but it was OK for Bill Clinton to remain in the Oval Office despite the long list of women he had indecent affairs with.
  Liberal’s can make death threats against Conservatives and no body in the left side will feel offended, no Secret Service agents will look into it.
  Lefties are the intolerant ones but conservatives are always at fault.
  
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- buttpatriot
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:25am
  because there is a group of christian voters that vote based on thier christian faith. many do not consider mormons to be christians. you have president obama who claims to be a christian and mitt romney who claims to be a mormon. whether you believe either’s proclamation of faith, why would someone that believes in the bible vote for someone who claims not to.
  
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Lemonade Grandma
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:30am
Do Mormons believe in a “Heavenly Mother?”

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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:53am
  Yes we do. Mormons believe that the spirits of mankind are the literal offspring of God the Father, and based on our doctrine we conclude that there is a heavenly mother as well. However, we know next to nothing about her other than logical inference from our scriptures. There is no direct reference to her in our official canon.
  
  We believe that Jesus Christ is First Born of Heavenly Father’s spirit children, and the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, meaning the rest of us were born here in mortality to earthly parents, whereas the Christ was miraculously born to the virgin Mary, begotten of God the Father.
  
  We worship God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ in Spirit and truth, and we believe that through the merits of Christ, mankind can reach his greatest potential. Though many things have been revealed, we do not claim to know all things yet, and so the matter concerning heavenly mother is a subject of great specualtion.
  
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- LibertyGoddess
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:00am
  If we are made in God’s image, why not. There is a hymn that was pre-LDS times that has lyrics in it that eludes to the belief that there must be a mother in heaven. It wasn’t that far fetched for early Christians to believe that God, has a Son, and the thought of a Mother in heaven. After all, pre-Nicene Creed most Christians believed Jesus was separate from his Father. They saw the Holy Ghost in the form of a dove, Christ being baptized, and Heavenly Father’s voice booming from heaven all at once. Christ prayed to his father in the garden, not himself. His father withdrew to the farthest of his creations when Jesus was being crucified. What did Christ do with his body after he was resurrected if he is not a God with a body? Ummmm….so much to study.
  
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- Alex
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:10am
  We believe that the spirits within us are born of Heavenly Parents, which by implication means that we have a Heavenly Mother. We know very little about Her, just that She is there. As far a salvation in this world is concerned, we believe that we are commanded to worship the Father in the name of the only begotten Son in the flesh (Jesus Christ) by the power of the Holy Ghost.
  
  In the theology of Latter-day Saints, gender is eternal. In other words, you will always be female, just as I will always be male. Because of this, we imitate our divine parents when we fulfill the scriptural mandate, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:52am
  Yes. But we don’t teach of her, really speak of her, nor worship nor adore her. Our God is God the Father and our Savior is Jesus the Christ. Does it speak of this in the scriptures – no. It was revealed by modern prophets. I don’t expect you to believe in modern prophets – but do invite you to start at the basics of the LDS church and go from there. Remember, milk before meat.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:08pm
  What happens to Heavenly Mother when Heavenly Father gets tired of her or decides to trade her in for a new one? I’ve heard that she will be “sealed” to another deceased brother, but what happens if he doesn’t want her forever? If Heavenly Mother finds herself without a Heavenly Father, does she never get to progress on to perfection?
  
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- AreYouAPuppet
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 12:14pm
  @stegall You obviously are one of the swine for which pearls are set forth to.
- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:07pm
  @Stegall
  I’d like to assume you are asking innocently. It doesn’t really pertain to our salvation so I don’t see there ever being answers to those kinds of questions. I understand your curiousity though (if sincere) and would warn you though of your sources. Terms like “I heard” or “I read somewhere” usually throw up a red flag for me. Channel your curiosity of these things to the scriptures, read the Book of Mormon and ask questions based on what you read there.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:12pm
  I’m asking because my mother has a friend named Violet who is LDS. Years ago, she and her first husband got a divorce and she was absolutely inconsolable. One reason was because she would be left out of her chance for perfection if she didn’t have a husband to be the Heavenly Father to their planet. Luckily, she found herself another good LDS husband who will take her with him when he populates his earth. But what if she hadn’t?
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:20pm
  Joey, thanks for this answer as well. You say this doesn’t pertain to salvation, so Violet would get to be in heaven (obviously at the top level) just as I would and as any other person who lives a good life (though at a lower level since I’m not LDS). But, as a member of the LDS in good standing, her ultimate goal is perfection and the opportunity to rule over a planet as Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother rule over Earth. If I understand this correctly, without a husband, a good LDS woman cannot achieve that ultimate elevation to godhood.
  
  As I said, this came out of conversations with a LDS woman who was divorced from her husband and was inconsolable. I’ve never found a good explanation of what would happen to her online, so I decided to ask y’all.
  
  Thanks for the good conversation (and the benefit of the doubt).
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:37pm
  @Stegall TX
  
  Issues of marriage must all be worked out before the resurrection (Matt. 22:30). And that is true whether you are male or female.
  
  Presidnet Spencer W. Kimball taught that “…no blessing, including that of eternal marriage and an eternal family, will be denied to any worthy individual. While it may take somewhat longer—perhaps even beyond this mortal life—for some to achieve this blessing, it will not be denied.” (see http://www.lds.org/liahona/1990/08/the-church-is-for-all-people?lang=eng&noLang=true&path=/liahona/1990/08/the-church-is-for-all-people).
  
  That is one of the many things that will be worked out during the millenial reign of Christ. Two great works will commence to fruition during the Millenium, missionary work and temple work, which includes eternal marriages (see http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-45-the-millennium).
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:47pm
  @Stegall TX
  
  And also, this “ruling over a planet” deal is misinformation. That doctrine is not found in our scriptures and represents speculation on the part of members of the Church. Here is the statement the Church has made on the subject.
  
  “No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2).” (see http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormonism-101#C14)
  
  Also it is important that you understand that our doctrine teaches that God the Father is the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and his Only Begotten Son is the Lord of the Universe. God is not the God of just one planet, but all that exists. That is supported wholly by our scriptures. Check out this testimony from one of our late apostles.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_ytRbZiu4
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 1:48pm
  @TX
  I believe every person that has ever lived will be suprised at the mercy that God will give and has given. One of the teachings of Joseph Smith that I enjoy the most was given to a mother who had lost a child. He told her that she would have the chance to raise that child in the afterlife. This tells me that as long as we try our best and do what God has asked, no blessing will be witheld. I am not a missionary anymore and don’t have the authority to speak for the church, but I know that we believe that all of the blessings that have been promised are available. Another teaching we get from Joseph Smith regarding this comes from the death of his brother Alvin. His brother died before he was able to be baptized. Some churches would say that he is damned eternally, but Joseph had a vision where he saw his brother with Adam and Abraham, and was told “All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God…For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.”
  You can shoot me an email with any specific questions, I’m happy to help. wrastler8(AT)juno(DOT)com
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:07pm
  Many like to believe there is one but we have no such direct doctrine. We believe that GOD is a calling. We believe there is much we do not know about GOD. We believe we can eventually hold that Calling for another Earth a very long time from now if righteous. How that would happen we have no idea. We do believe that to do that we need to be husband and wife.
  
  We believe two thirds of the Book of Mormon was sealed. That precious truths are contained there in.
  
  It is just speculation that there is a Mother in Heaven. We really have no unique belief of what Heavenly Father really is. We do not believe we have an understanding of that other than we do believe he has a body. But that is a very deep subject and very few have an understanding of what that really means. Obviously GOD is not constrained in the ways a body would constrain as we here on Earth would think or imagine. He is all powerful and operates in ways we can not understand.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:13pm
  Thanks to Marvell & Joey8 both for very clear, concise, and patient answers. I have understood that the King Follett discourse is the basis for the belief that perfected LDS will eventually be made co-equals with Heavenly Father and they will be eventually given a planet of their own:
  
  This is starting about the 10th paragraph from the top:
  
  “First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like one of you. That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today and you were to see the great God who holds this world in its orbit and upholds all things by his power, you would see him in the image and very form of a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God. He received instruction from and walked, talked, and conversed with him as one man talks and communes with another.
  
  In order to understand the subject of the dead for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible. ”
  
  http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 4:14pm
  (continuing my last post) …
  
  A few paragraphs later in the discourse:
  
  And I want you to know that in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, God is not trifling with you or me; it is the first principle of consolation. How consoling to the mourner when he is called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that although the earthly tabernacle shall be dissolved that dear one shall rise in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more but shall be God’s heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? It is to inherit the same glory, the same power, and the same exaltation until you ascend the throne of eternal power the same as those who are gone before. What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom I shall present it to my Father so that he obtains kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt his glory. And so Jesus treads in his tracks to inherit what God did before. It is plain beyond disputation.
  
  So the Prophet Joseph Smith was planning on getting a kingdom which he will present to Heavenly Father. I understood that this kingdom would be a panet of his own that he would rule. This is not official doctrine of the LDS but instead speculation of some others?
  
  Thank you for helping to clear this up. I appreciate your patien
  
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- deerjerkydave
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:37pm
  Joseph Smith said, “What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom I shall present it to my Father so that he obtains kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt his glory. And so Jesus treads in his tracks to inherit what God did before. It is plain beyond disputation.”
  
  Stegall said, “So the Prophet Joseph Smith was planning on getting a kingdom which he will present to Heavenly Father. I understood that this kingdom would be a panet of his own that he would rule. This is not official doctrine of the LDS but instead speculation of some others?”
  
  I think Joseph was paraphrasing Jesus in the first person, not speaking of himself. See John 5:19.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 6:34pm
  DeerJerkeyDave – Thanks for the reply.
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 7:11pm
  Here’s another quote that I cannot find a direct link to and would appreciate either substantiation or refutation:
  
  Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43-44, 48:
  
  “In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 11:19am
  Just so this will appear inline with the questions, here are some quotes by LDS Presidents:
  
  “We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.” (Joseph Fielding Smith 10th President, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 1976, p.132)
  
  “Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people. ” Spencer W Kimball 12th President
  
  “When two Latter-day Saints are united together in marriage, promises are made to them concerning their offspring that reach from eternity to eternity. They are promised that they shall have the power and the right to govern and control and administer salvation and exaltation and glory to their offspring, worlds without end. And what offspring they do not have here, undoubtedly there will be opportunities to have them hereafter. What else could man wish? A man and a woman, in the other life, having celestial bodies, free from sickness and disease, glorified and beautified beyond description, standing in the midst of their posterity, governing and controlling them, administering life, exaltation and glory worlds without end” (Lorenzo Snow 5th President – Deseret News, 13 Mar. 1897; quoted by Spencer W. Kimball in The Miracle of Forgiv
  
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- Stegall TX
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 11:27am
  Continuing …
  
  “All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others.” (Brigham Young – 2nd President – Journal of Discourses 17:143)
  
  “When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 283; Journal of Discourses 18:259, October 8, 1876)
  
  And what did the Apostles of the LDS believe?
  
  “As our Father and God begat us, sons and daughters, so will we rise immortal, males and females, and beget children, and, in our turn, form and create worlds, and send forth our spirit children to inherit those worlds, the same as we were sent here, and thus will the works of God continue, and not only God himself, and His Son Jesus Christ have the power of endless lives, but all of His redeemed offspring.” (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses 14:242)
  
  “… having abiding in them eternal lives shall beget, throughout the endless ages of eternity, the souls of the children of men to the honor and glory of God, and create and have dominion over worlds.” (Moses Thatcher, Journal of Discourses 26:305)
  
  ” Their righteous lives opened the door to godhood for them and creation of worlds with eternal increase” (President Kimball Speaks Out [1981],
  
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floridareader
Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:28am
I think he should invite two panels: in one side should be liberal media reporters and anchors, and in the other side Mormon representatives with religious authority ready to answer the first panel’s questions and able to correct their misinterpretations.

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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:31am
  Yeah those who are professional apologetics should be discussing this!!!
  
  Compare the ESSENTIALS of CHRISTIANITY to the ESSENTIALS of MORMONISM.
  
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- LibertyGoddess
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:02am
  I’m sure Glenn will reinforce his statements with comparisons. He will not let this become a “debate” or hotly contested arguing match…after all, contention is of the devil.
  
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- ReaganBaby
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 11:57am
  This is not a debate- Why should one have to defend his personal belief? If you don’t agree then don’t join the church. If you really want to know what we believe then listen. Not everyone believes what the LDS church preaches and that is fine, but why is it okay for someone to mock someone else religion if they don’t believe? its pretty sad how others try so hard to mock Mormons. I have literally been spit on, shot at, received death threats, called horrific names, beer bottles thrown at my head, i could go on and on, all this happened while riding my bike trying to inform people what my church believes so others can make the choice themselves to join or not. Tell me how this is right for anyone to be treated like this especially a 19 year old missionary serving in the US.
  
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- terriergal
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 5:15pm
  If you don‘t agree then don’t join the church.”
  
  Reaganbaby, we are not talking about joining the LDS church. Glenn is doing this in defense of himself, and at least partially of Romney (not that he was terribly thrilled with Romney before Romney became the nominee). Would you have this same kind of answer if the faith of our nominee was, say Islam?
  
  My concern is that Mormons believe they can work their way to heaven/the celestial kingdom, which means God’s standard is far less than what the Scriptures say it is. (“Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect”) Well, I can’t do that, haven’t done that, and even my good deeds are as filthy rags. Why should God accept me?
  
  No, he accepts those who know they can never earn even a smidgen of God’s favor, but that Christ has done all that is necessary through his life death and his shed *blood* which Mormons like to avoid talking about. That is the offense of the Cross which is hidden in the LDS church. That is what faith in Christ is, and it is the only way to escape outer darkness. That is why Mormons are not Christian in any meaningful sense. God has made FULL satisfaction for all our sins, past present and future, in Christ alone… not in our works at all. Jesus doesn’t make up the difference. He pays the debt, and fills our account to infinity. By faith we receive the benefits. Without faith in him alone, we receive what our debt deserves, outer darkness.
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 8:35pm
  Let me try to explain the Mormon view of Salvation.
  1. Eligibility
  2. Qualification
  3. Power
  We believe all God’s children are eligible at birth to be saved. Nothing is required, nothing is earned, we are eligible because we are children of a loving Father. This is why we do not baptize little children before they are accountable.
  We also believe, as do most Evangelicals, that one must qualify oneself to be saved. For the Evangelical the qualification is simple, just accept Christ as your Savior and you are qualified. Mormons believe that one must be baptized by proper authority and one must endure to the end to qualify for Salvation. (James 2:14-20, “Faith without works is dead,” and Matt 7:21 “Not everyone that sayeth unto me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father.” Qualification is a lifelong pursuit of righteousness.
  Now for the important part, Power. The power of Salvation comes only in and through the blood of Christ. Only Christ has the power to save. Being eligible is not enough, being qualified is not enough. Without the atoning blood and power of the Savior Jesus Christ all are fallen and lost. Thus the scriptures that talk about salvation coming from “Grace…. not of works, lest any man boast.”
  Mormons do not believe that we are saved by our works. We do believe that our good works can qualify us and our evil works can disqualify us for Salvation. A very scripture based belief.
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 6, 2012 at 10:56pm
  We as LDS do not believe we can work our way to heaven.
  
  We do believe that if you truly believe in Jesus Christ you will keep his commandments. That no matter how good a life you live you can only be saved through the grace of GOD. That Jesus Christ pays the price for our sins but to obtain that we must repent making things as right as we can just like Jesus Christ told us to.
  
  We firmly believe that those that think they can work their way to heaven Jesus Christ will not even know.
  
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