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Beck Dispels Biggest Mormon Myths in Blaze TV Special: Polygamy, ‘Magic Underwear’ & ‘Secretive’ Temple Activities

Sep. 7, 2012 7:11am Billy Hallowell

On Thursday night, Glenn Beck tackled an issue that has come up frequently throughout the 2012 presidential campaign — Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith. Prior to the show, the radio and television host invited TheBlaze readers and viewers to submit their questions, as he sought to address the myths that often surround The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Beck, who is also a Mormon, told viewers that his faith is inherent in all that he does. In fact, it is his personal relationship with God that guides his actions and sustains him.

“I do what I do, because of my faith,” Beck told viewers. “Because of my faith, I’m not afraid.”

He also went on to highlight some of the elements that people need to know about his personal faith and its central underpinnings. From a belief in Jesus Christ to the notion that helping one’s fellow man is essential, these values lay at the center of the Mormon experience.

“God lives. We survive. America flourishes,” he continued, listing off the other sentiments that Mormons embrace. “The Messiah came and he will come again. Be good to one another. Give until it hurts. Give to the poor, the hungry and the underprivileged. Obey God. Make a covenant with him. He keeps his word. But be on his side. Don’t try to get him on your side.”

The first issue — or myth, rather — that Beck tackled was polygamy, a marriage that includes more than two individuals. Since there is mass confusion surrounding Mormons and plural marriage, Beck provided in-depth background and historical analysis on the issue. While he explained that Mormons did, indeed, practice polygamy at one point in time, he notes that this dynamic ended 122 years ago and that the church takes a strong stance against it today.

GlennBeck.com has more about Beck’s statements surrounding historical constructs of the former practice:

He explained that in the 1800s, there was massive persecution of Mormons wer driven out of New York, Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. In Missouri, the governor even issued Executive Order-44 which ordered that all Mormons be exterminated or driven out of the state, resulting in 10,000 Mormons who lived there either being killed or forced to flee. Executive Order-44 wasn’t overturned until 1976. As a result of this persecution, there weren’t many men left. The desire to repopulate played a role in the decision to practice polygamy, but only about 5% did it before the practice came to an end in 1890.

He called polygamy ”a perversion of everything we believe in.”

“The media would have nothing more to have Americans believe that anybody who believes what I believe is [Warren Jeffs],” Beck said, referring to a cult leader who is serving a life sentence for having relationships with underage girls.

Contemporary polygamists aren’t Mormons, Beck explained. Watch the host tackle the polygamy issue, below:

Next, he delved into the so-called “magic underwear” discussion. He was, of course, referring to the undergarments that Mormon adherents wear. Many times, this element of the faith is mocked and ridiculed, as non-believers don’t understand the significance and haven’t necessarily been exposed to the reasoning behind wearing the clothing.

“It is to remind us of something very sacred,” Beck explained. “It’s a reminder of the promises we make at the Temple.”

Rather than serving as a secretive and elusive tool, the underwear represent the personal promises that Mormons make to be “faithful, modest, and temperate.”

While it’s not always easy to wear the undergarments, especially when it comes to finding clothing to wear over them, Beck said that the difficulty makes it more sacred and meaningful. Considering the importance of the underwear to the Mormon faith, it also become more painful, the host admitted, when others mock the practice:

Beck also tackled the purported “secretive” activities that unfold in the temple. While many critics have alleged that the church is elusive and that some of the activities are top-secret, Beck made it clear that there’s nothing surprising or startling going on behind closed doors.

“There’s no secret stuff,” Beck explained. “There’s nothing you will find in the temple that you won’t find in the Old or New Testament.”

Marriage and baptism are two of the practices that take place inside Mormon houses of worship — elements that most other Christian denominations can relate to. Beck did delve into “baptism for the dead,” a practice that he said has roots in 1 Corinthians.

See him tackle these subjects, below:

There is also, of course, the question of Mormon missionaries. Beck described the fascinating, two-year trips that young believers make to help spread the faith, while simultaneously embarking on a journey to find themselves.

During this time, young Mormons find themselves “preaching the word and reading the scriptures,” as they go door-to-door to discuss their faith. While sharing an example of a friend’s son who just left for Finland for a mission, Beck encouraged others — regardless of their faiths — to engage in similar experiences.

“He will live the exact opposite of a trophy society. In a culture where ‘I’ve got to go find myself, while spending $50,000 a year and listen to a bunch of liberal Marxist professors at some liberal college…these guys do find themselves,” Beck proclaimed. “Please, do this in your faith. It changes your children…it’s one of the reasons that Mormons are so successful. They know why they are at an early age.”

“It’s not weird to be a Mormon. And it’s not weird to be president if you’re Mormon,” Beck concluded.

This special episode comes as the nation prepares to potentially elect its first Mormon president. While some biases certainly continue to color Romney’s candidacy, the impact appears to be minimal. As we’ve previously reported, November 2011 Pew Research Center results found that, while Romney may have experienced some negative results due to his Mormon faith in the primary race, his general election chances likely won’t be impacted.

Unfortunately, this hasn’t stopped anti-Mormon attacks from unfolding in media. Beck’s goal, of course, was to dispel some of the myths that drive and fuel these incidents.

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NewLife24
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:25am
It matters not if they believe in the wrong Jesus. Period. If someone dresses up as Christ and pretends to be Christ and people fall for it and this false Christ changed just a few things so minor it is unnoticeable God will hold them responsible for not knowing the real Christ. Having read this statement is validating and holding one responsible to look at the evidence that mormons do not have the living and true Christ. Who is blessed forever amen,

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- hjbones
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:50am
  Umm, we believe in the Christ of the New Testament… What Christ do you believe in?
  
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- BIM-master
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:51am
  What will you do when you come to know they are not believing in the wrong Christ, but that you are?
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:51am
  You are very correct. Even Satan knows Jesus’s name and who he is. That doesnt make him a Christian.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:58am
  Anyways. People will either be by the pool near the gate of the sheep’s pool, or they won’t be. If you get carried away by the flood of waters, then most likely you weren’t.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:01am
  @Bim
  
  Well lets just say Mormons are correct. Other Christian faiths will go to a tier of heaven. Other faiths like Muslims, Hindu, and Scientologists will also be in Heaven maybe in lower tiers but heaven none the less. Very few go to “outer darkness”.
  
  So to answer your question, we get to go to heaven.
  
  Now, lets say they are wrong. According to my faith Mormons will join the Muslim, Hindu, and Scientologists also. It will just be in Hell.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:12am
  Joesph smith was not run out of Kirkland Ohio because of persecution, it was because of the bank he had set up with fiat currency failed, and the people who invested in it lost 10′s of thousands of dollars, and they were a little irate
- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:23am
  John 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
  
  Well, another interpretation is that there will be “some” (not all) that are saved from other religions. What do they have in common? They have learned about Christ and have accepted him. They may not have all of the Christian religion, just pieces of it, but that is enough. Only Christ can make that judgement.
  
  “I am the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6
  
  John 3:16
  
  “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
  
  On the same hand, there are alot of Christians that won’t make it to heaven…
  
  Matthew 7:21-23
  
  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
  
  Titus 1:16
  They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:29am
  Mutiny
  Well lets just say Mormons are correct. Other Christian faiths will go to a tier of heaven. Other faiths like Muslims, Hindu, and Scientologists will also be in Heaven maybe in lower tiers but heaven none the less.
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  No one comes to the Father but by Jesus. If people can be saved without believing in the Jesus of the Bible, i.e., the eternal begotten Son of God, then Jesus died in vain, sin is not real, the Bible is a lie, God is a figment of people’s imagination, and we might as well all be atheists.
  
  Thankfully, my experience with the risen Christ is real.
  
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- RDawkins
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:36am
  Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:
  
  1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means “God with us.” Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.
  
  2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.
  
  3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.
  
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- ScreaminEagle
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:36am
  I’ve followed Glenn starting with his FOX show, Both radio and TV. Never as a Christian agreed with his Mormon faith but I listened to his conclusion of facts on numerous topics. When he started GBTV I signed up at the beginning. Last night on Mormon Myths was probably one of the least informative shows to date. I’ve tried to separate Mormon influence out of his analysis on his conclusions, and have not always agreed with him blindly. As for his magic underwear I don’t really care. I think the kind of Questions that need to be answered are more along the lines of “The White Horse Prophesy”, “The angel Moroni”…etc.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy
  
  Given the presidential elections and the implications, This concerns me more than secrete rituals in the Temple.
  
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- RDawkins
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:39am
  Jesus consistently contradicts himself concerning his Godly status. “I and my father are one.” (John 14:28) Also see Philippians 2:5-6 Those verses lead us to believe that he is a part of the trinity and equal to his father being a manifestation of him. Yet, Jesus also made many statements that deny he is the perfect men, much less God incarnate. Take the following for example: “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God” (Matthew 19:17). “My father if greater then I.” (John 14:28) Also see Matthew 24:26 Clearly, Jesus is denouncing the possibility of him being the Messiah in those three verses.
  
  Jesus said, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22). Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 23:17-19 and Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show. Clearly Jesus should be in danger of hell too?
  
  Does Jesus support peace, or war? Matthew 5:39 “Resist not evil, but whoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Also note Matthew 6:38-42 & 26:52 where Jesus teaches non-resistance, Non-violence. Now read (Luke 22:36-37) Where Jesus commands people to take arms for a coming conflict. (John 2:15) Jesus uses a whip to physically drive people out of the temple.
  
  Matthew 15:24 Jesus said, “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of lsrael,”. This would of course mean that he is here only to save the Jews. The scriptures repeatedly back up this notion that Christ is
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:39am
  The moment the resurrection/rapture (1 Thes 4:13-18 & 1 Cor 15:50-55) takes place is when millions will finally understand that they have believed upon a false idol christ
  
  I have warned the mormon until blue in the face and they will not listen. They have become so entrenched in the lies and deceptions that the lies and deception have become their truth.
  
  The lies and deception will be shattered at the rapture and many will come to know the real Jesus Christ
  
  Lets hope that the mormons have someone like me that has been prompted by the Holy Spirit to leave behind material for those left behind.
  
  I made a video for YouTube titled ‘Make your own AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS’
  
  http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
  
  Watch the video and Google the articles I have videoed and put them in your closets and be ready for that day
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:49am
  @kry
  
  Exactly, that is why I believe the Mormons have it wrong. Your post clearly made the point that Baptism after death is not going to work.
  
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- fixer
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:56am
  to me it doesn’t really matter if mormans believe in the right jesus or not.obama is satan spawn and that’s what we should be looking to eliminate.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:03am
  After Glenn Beck’s implicit support during the primary of the most progressive candidate, Mitt Romney, while he destroyed people like Newt over trifling statements….He talked about progressivism for years, and then when it comes in the name of a mormon candidate – he ignores it….I cannot take Glenn seriously anymore.
  
  I listen to him on the radio in hopes of being entertained and I come here to talk to others, but in my opinion, the light has left Glenn
  
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- COFemale
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:03am
  So NewLife Glenn in his own words tells you they believe in the same Christ and I will tell you they believe in the same Christ, a Presbyterian with family members who are Mormon, yet you have the gull to call Glenn and my family members liars?
  
  You sir or ma’am need to look into your heart and quit lying to yourself and God. You need to go back and read the Bible, cause you apparently do not believe in the same God and Christ we do.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:05am
  HJBONES
  
  You do not believe in the Christ of the NT. Christ in the NT is not the first creation spirit being and brother to Lucifer.
  
  This is not Christ, it is an idol christ and is a deception of satan.
  
  Jesus Christ is the creator of everything and is in fact the EVERLASTING FATHER Isaiah 9:6
  
  Jesus Christ is God Incarnate
  
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- reformed_2
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:10am
  There is an excellent book written by a lady by the name of Thelma (Granny) Geer entitled, “Mormonism Mama and Me.” She is dead now, but was a Mormon from birth, converted to Christ many years ago. In the book she details the many falsehoods believed and practiced by Mormons. They say they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, but what they don’t tell you is that they believe that He is the brother of Lucifer. God, the Father wanted to provide a plan to redeem his fallen race and requested ideas from both Lucifer and Christ. Christ had the better idea so God went along with it. Of course it has nothing to do with the redemption of Christ for His chosen people. Another whopper is that God was once a human, and as such has regular sex with Mary, the mother of Jesus, in order that there will be plenty of “spirit babies” available when needed to send to those faithful Mormons who become pregnant on earth. Another lie is that when faithful Mormon men die they become “gods” just like God the Father. When a Mormon wife dies it is up to her former husband whether she goes to heaven. In essence, Mormons do not worship the true & living God of the Scriptures, but one who was invented by Joseph Smith while he was prowling the woods around Palmyra NY and came across “gold plates” that gave him instructions on beginning a new “church” since all earthly churches had become corrupt – very similar to the Jehovah’s Witnesses” doctrine. Mormonism is a cult by definition, Smith being
  
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- avgconservative
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:15am
  Mormons keep saying, “We believe in the same Christ.” No you don’t. The Jesus of the New Testament was never “spirit-brother” with Lucifer. The Jesus of the New Testament was not a human in training to become a god. These are Mormon doctrines which clearly make the difference.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:16am
  I tried to give a link but it did not work so I am trying it again. The link is for a cite that gives verses in the form of a one to one comparison between God and Jesus
  
  http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdS6eAUpQzwcAErxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1c2VpaGg4BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDE1NV8yMTQ-/SIG=11toabqbq/EXP=1347056158/**http%3a//www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm
  
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- Watchingtheweasels
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:18am
  Was quite disappointed that Beck would venture out to do a Mormon apologetic on his network. It’s certainly his network, but I’d venture to say that the majority of his viewers are non-Mormons who pay him for his political analysis and nothing more. There is no confusion on the part of Christians as to what Mormons believe.
  
  Nobody accuses the LDS *today* of practicing polygamy.
  
  The “magic underwear” thing is rightfully mocked. Watch the Passion of Christ movie to understand why.
  
  The issue of temple “secrecy” has to do more with how Mormons view the rest of Christendom – using a flawed Bible that is inferior to the book of Mormon, unsaved, and unworthy to enter their temple (though God has declared them worthy to stand in his presence).
  
  There are three issues that separate Mormonism from Christianity:
  
  (1) The use of a false additional scripture and teachings in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants.
  (2) The worship of a non-divine created Jesus who is the spirit brother of satan.
  (3) Participating in a religion of works that allows one to evolve and become spiritually divine himself, inheriting as heaven one’s own planet with his wife where you can have your own spirit children.
  
  Obviously Beck didn’t address this.
  
  The truth may live on the Blaze, but it certainly doesn’t in Salt Lake City.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:32am
  LOL why do I even go to church on Sundays, I can just come to the comment boards to learn about my church’s beliefs. Thanks guys!
  
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- fightinglee
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:40am
  I am always surprised by all the vehement anger that arises from any topic of mormon doctrine. I really cannot begin to fathom the mindset of those that become so angry about what a mormon believes. Perhaps that is because I do not fully understand the counter belief to mormonism. Mormons believe all men will have the chance to accept christ and be saved. ALL MEN. Thus the baptisms for the dead. The baptism does not save anyone without their acceptance, but it offers a way by which all individuals may have that chance.
  
  What of those that die growing up in areas of the world where they never hear about Jesus? Does all the christian world beleive in a God that sends those people to hell? Every child or young person that dies without baptism before they can ever even make the choice? And what exactly does the christian world believe the goal after this life is for? What are we going to be doing?
  
  Paul said we are heirs of God. Is it so blasphemous to other Christians that we might progress to become like him over eternity? Is it blasphemous to consider that God might want his children to progress in his likeness, as it says we were created in the bible?
  
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- noluck_99
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:42am
  Bones…Your deity shares the name of Jesus with the Christian faith…but that is where it ends. Your Jesus was not born of a virgin. Your Jesus is 1/2 brothers with Satan. The blood of your Jesus can not cover you for all sins….plus many more….but you get the picture.
  
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- pastorrick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:43am
  I am a former Mormon, and now an evangelical pastor, so I speak with some knowledge here. I respect Glen on political issues, but here his research and knowledge is no more that surface at best. Just a simple topic…baptism for the dead as a foundational teaching of the Mormon faith. After Paul gives a great defense of the truth of the resurrection of Christ, I Cor. 15:20-28, He asks a rhetorical question, “Otherwise, what will those do who are being baptized for the dead/ If the dead are not raised then, why then are they baptized for them?” v 29 It is a poor theologian who will build an entire doctrine on a single verse. The phrase “baptized for the dead” is only found here in on verse. Interpreting scripture has to be done in light of the whole of the Bible. Salvation is a transaction between one individual and God. Mormons teach that baptism is part of the salvation process, a requirement, there fore if they interpret this verse as allowing proxy baptism, the logical next step is proxy salvation. Grandpa Ernie was not baptized, therefore cannot enter heaven; I will be proxy baptized for him and therefore complete his salvation! What if Grandpa Ernie rejected God in the first place? Question, who wants to be baptized for Judas, Hitler, Ben Laden, etc. There are several likely interpretations for this passage, being baptized in honor of someone among those, but one that cannot be is Mormon proxy baptism to complete someone’s salvation is purely heretical
  
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- JRook
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:44am
  (1) According to the Attorney General of Utah, about 40,000 Fundamentalist Mormons still live according to “the principle” of polygyny as established by Joseph Smith
  
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- JRook
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:49am
  “He will live the exact opposite of a trophy society. In a culture where ‘I’ve got to go find myself, while spending $50,000 a year and listen to a bunch of liberal Marxist professors at some liberal college” Guess he can’t get past the fact he didn’t attend college and didn’t have the guts to go even when he had the money. When you read selectively and interpret what you read based on a religious, social or political ideology you do nothing more than continue your road of ignorance. When you perpetuate this ignorance through various forms of media your are anything but a Christian.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:02am
  What chapter and verse in 1 Cor teaches Baptism for the dead??? Any mormons care to fill me in ???
  
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- Jezreel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:13am
  I have personally known people associated to the Mormon sect by family for many years and there are mystical secret ceremonies that are demonic in nature. It is because Beck is not a high ranking mormon. He is just a lower ranking one. The mormon church has elites just like there are global elites. I have spoken with these people that have come out and received Jesus Christ by repentance and remission of sins and would never think of going back into that cult. All denominations are cults anyhow. Jesus Christ NEVER ordained clergy with paychecks and staff etc.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:21am
  Newlife;
  
  Here: “As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.
  
  He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill. He entreated all to follow His example. He walked the roads of Palestine, healing the sick, causing the blind to see, and raising the dead. He taught the truths of eternity, the reality of our premortal existence, the purpose of our life on earth, and the potential for the sons and daughters of God in the life to come.
  
  He instituted the sacrament as a reminder of His great atoning sacrifice. He was arrested and condemned on spurious charges, convicted to satisfy a mob, and sentenced to die on Calvary’s cross. He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.”
  
  http://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/36035_000_25_livingchrist.pdf
  
  Please, read on.
  
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- peace maker
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:25am
  It is so sad to read all this. We should all be ashamed, The Lord said, Judge not, and yet you all pass judgment with such venom. We should all stop this anger, reflect on our own life, and repent for the hatred and hypocrisy we have shown. We all have the right to worship what, where, or how we like and no one should infringe that right.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:27am
  @ MUTINY Well said
  
  “Even Satan knows Jesus’ name and who he is. That doesn’t make him a Christian.”
  
  I worry about what is in store for this country.
  
  “Exactly, that is why I believe the Mormons have it wrong. Your post clearly made the point that Baptism after death is not going to work”
  
  LDS post-death Baptism reminds me of the corrupt Catholic church that Martin Luther rebelled against.
  
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- txannie
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:28am
  Are you relating a mormon that believes in Christ to a muslim who worships a radical terrorist? YOU have just become a stumbling block….read about being a stumbling block in the New Testament and re-examine your own eye…perhaps there is a beam in yours’ while you complain about your neighbors splinter.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:31am
  @ JOEY
  
  Assuming your post was cynical…….
  
  If the only place you are learning of your religion is in church on Sundays, you might want to expand your horizons. Thus, I am very glad you are reading these message boards and genuinely hope you follow the many links provided.
  
  We are called upon to mature in our faith.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:37am
  Ha I found it 1 Cor 15:29
  
  Leave it to mormons to twist this way out of context. Baptism by water is not a requirement for salvation as shown by the thief on the cross Luke 23:43 and the house of Cornelius Acts 10:44-45
  
  Salvation came upon BELIEF and not after baptism. The teaching is simple and true water baptism is not a requirement of salvation
  
  Yet another example of mormonism twisting verses out of context to meet their needs.
  
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- myownperson1970
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:41am
  Jesus said that there would not be marriage in heaven Mark 12. That is just one thing that is ignored in the mormon religion. God told Moses that no one could look at Him because of His holiness he would die. Yet Joseph Smith said that he had seen Him. That is a clue that you are being lied to. Paul said that if anyone came telling them another gospel than what he had told them, even if it was an angel not to listen they were accursed. Joseph Smith claimed that the church became apostate when the apostles died but Paul said that when he was still alive to warn us. That would be another clue that you have been listening to a liar.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:43am
  I am a Mormon, and I worship Jesus of Nazareth, the same who according the Bible and the Book of Mormon created the heavens and the earth, and who even before being born into mortality was the Eternal Father of heaven and earth. He is the Only Begotten Son of God the Father, and is the the promised Messiah of the Old Testament – the Holy One of Israel. I proclaim unequivocally that Jesus of Nazareth is my Lord and my God, and I worship Him as I do the Father, in Spirit and truth, which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God. Not one in substance, but one in purpose, doctrine, and love for mankind.
  
  Jesus Christ is the Creator of worlds without number, even all that is, and is also the Savior of all mankind. His Atonement and resurrection brings about the universal resurrection of the dead, where all will be brought before the judgement seat of Christ, and through the merits of his Atonement man can repent of their sins and be washed clean before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Because Christ went below it all and suffered, and was lifted up on the cross, died, and three days later was resurrected, I have an opportunity to return to the presence God, from whence I came, and live in his eternal abode forever in perfect joy.
  
  The things I have written are what our scriptures teach about him, and it is exactly what I believe.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:47am
  PEACE MAKER
  
  Assume not that I come to bring peace Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51, Revelation 6:4
  
  Does this sound like making peace to you???
  
  Christ Himself brings the division you whine about and why is this? Because Christ is the truth, the way and the lie will always oppose the truth. In point of Fact the truth causes the division.
  
  Grow Up
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:48am
  Wow… I think its safe to say after reading the posts on this article as well as the many others over the past couple years, that we are officially GOING IN CIRCLES.
  
  Maybe its time that everyone simply state what they believe and why, and accept that others just might believe differently. Its abundantly clear that no one here today is going to change their mind.
  
  That being said, I’ll start.
  
  I believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. I believe they are three separate personages. I believe that after all we can do, we all fall short and Jesus Christ is the only way to The Father. I believe that families can be together forever through Heavenly Father’s plan. I believe that I am a child of a loving Heavenly Father. I believe that priesthood authority has once again been restored to the Earth and is found in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I believe that God has not abandoned us and continues to speak to us, even today, through a living Prophet named Thomas S. Monson. I believe the Book of Mormon to be another testament of Jesus Christ. I believe we are all brothers and sisters and children of God and should treat each other as such.
  
  Respectfully,
  
  Your Brother
  
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- Billy5150
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:49am
  Glenn’s explanation of plural marriage is simply not true. If you do a genealogy search on the churches web site you will find 33 wives for Joseph Smith. As well, D & C states that plural marriage is an everlasting covenant. It is still practiced in Utah…
  
  D & C 132:
  1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—
  
  2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
  
  3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
  
  4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
  
  5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.
  
  6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
  
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- Sparky101
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:49am
  Jesus answered “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (NIV).
  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
  
  Apparently, it is Jesus who determines who gets to live with the Father. I think many who have posted do not love and trust Jesus Christ, because they forget to “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding” and forget “Do not be wise in your own eyes.”
  
  Not one of us can say that a Mormon will not be with the Father, unless the truth is not in us. Such judgement is the type that Jesus cautions us against. We can judge sin but we cannot judge a heart. That is a role that Jesus claims is his only. Don’t try to do his job as if he might do it wrong. Don’t put yourselves on equal footing with God. That never turns out well. Repent of this sin while you are able.
  
  I’ve never met a Mormon I didn’t like. I think Jesus feels the same. All are worthy and all are loved equally by him. And he will decide our eternal fate. I’m just hoping that he doesn’t let Jimmy into heaven. I can’t stand that guy (kidding of course).
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:51am
  DARREN
  
  I ask you some questions and I want an honest answers. Was Jesus the first born of spirits and is spirit brother to Lucifer?
  
  Was the union between Mary and God a sexual union?
  
  Id baptism a requirement for salvation?
  
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- jzs
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:59am
  Beck says, “As a result of this persecution, there weren’t many men left. The desire to repopulate played a role in the decision to practice polygamy,…”
  
  That sounds like historical revisionism. I thought Joseph Smith was commanded by God to practice polygamy? Am I wrong?
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:04pm
  @ P8TRIOT
  
  I genuinely applaud your approach but the issue isn’t stating what one believes merely by affirmation. Questions then arise and should be discussed. Sadly, I must go for now but, as an Evangelical, your post brings up many questions about your beliefs as well as LDS doctrine. I only have time to address one now:
  
  What happened to the souls of all the people who lived after Christ’s death until Joseph Smith entered the scene? Did Christ not die for those saints also?
  
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- MizuNo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:07pm
  The Xtians say the Mormon’s book is fictional.
  The Romans say the Xtian’s book is fictional.
  The Scientologists say the Xtian’s book is fictional.
  The Greeks tell the Romas that they got the names of the gods all wrong.
  
  I bet the cro-magdon told the neandertals that they worshiped false gods.
  Around and Around we go.
  
  So many people concered about getting to heaven hey dont realize that they are here already.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:08pm
  @ theraptur…
  
  Dude, give it a break. Do you really think you’re going to change any of our minds while speaking with such contention? My advise, preach with love… it works much better. :)
  
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- blue1701
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:09pm
  Rdawkins on Jesus and your three unfulfilled prohecies…
  
  1) You refute your own issue by defining the term “Immanuel.” Jesus is repeatedly called God by those around him and later in the NT he is referred to as God being with man. Isaiah never says that the legal birth name of the messiah would be Immanuel, only that he will be called Immanuel. By Jesus being called God who lived among us he is Immanuel.
  
  2) You do not understand two issues with regards to Jewish inheritance and theories about the lineages. The first about inheritance is that it always follows the fathers line and can be passed to the child he wishes. For instance If Joseph claimed Jesus as his son he is and will receive his inheritance and considering that Joseph accepted the fact that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit it is logical to think he would fully allow Jesus to receive his family inheritance from David.
  The next is that a common theory about the two genealogies is that one follows David’s line to Joseph and the other follows David’s line to Mary. This would give Jesus both the inheritance of David by line (claimed first son of Joseph) and blood (from Mary).
  
  3) You apparently do not know any of the history of Israel. Both Kingdoms were destroyed and scattered before the NT. Isaiah’s prophecy was fulfilled hundreds of years before Jesus was born when Israel was destroyed in 722 BC by Assyria and Judah was destroyed between 590-582 BC by Babylon. Jesus was obviously
  
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- Kalish
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:12pm
  Joseph Smith was a false prophet, he “prophesied” things like people live on the moon, dress lie Quaker’s, and live to be 1000 years old, Brigham Young also said people live on the sun, I could go on, but you get the idea, The book of mormon was originally a romance novel by Rev. Spaulding that was taken and “spiced” up by J. Smith and others, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Mormonism denies that there is only one God in all existence and also denies the forgiveness of sins alone in Christ alone.
  Mormonism teaches that Jesus is one of three gods Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins.
  
  Mormonism teaches that God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned ! ” Galations 1:8
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:12pm
  MARVEL
  
  I ask you these questions.
  
  Was Christ the result of a sexual union between God and Mary?
  
  Was Christ the first born Spirit and was he the spirit brother to Lucifer?
  
  Is water baptism necessary for salvation?
  
  Does the mormon church deny the trinity?
  
  I suggest that every mormon here in this forum to click on the link where I give a web site that does a one to one comparison to all verses about God and Christ
  
  If you do, then you will see, you are not teaching the Jesus of the bible but rather an idol. I challenge you all to go to the site I linked to and read it all verse by verse.
  
  Your whole mormon religion is not Christain and contradicts the bible.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:16pm
  @JZS
  
  Beck was wrong about plural marriage. It was a commandment and is infact an eternal principle. It is the same principle that justified other righteous prophets and people in Old Testament times to have multiple wives (see D&C 132). Our doctrine also makes it clear that the default is one man and one wife, unless God commands otherwise (see Jacob 2:27,30 in the BoM).
  
  The revelation concerning plural marriage in D&C 132 is superseded by Official Declaration 1, which has been added to our official canon. The declaration itself specifies the reasons the Lord withdrew the authority to practice plural marriage on earth (see http://classic.scriptures.lds.org/en/od/1).
  
  The principle of plural marriage in the next life still continues, as a man with a desceased wife can be sealed to another wife here on earth and they will both be his wifes in the hereafter.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:20pm
  MARVEL
  
  You just spoke in circles as is the mormon norm. You said Christ is the Eternal Father and then called him the Son of the Eternal Father and that they are not one in substance.
  
  Have you gone completely batty?
  
  You said He is the Eternal Father, The Son of the Eternal Father and not of one substance
  
  So, He spiritually created himself, as Eternal Father. Buddy, you are so confused
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:30pm
  @copatriots
  
  First off, nice name! I love the idea of many of us patriots working together! :)
  
  Secondly, thank you for seemingly asking a sincere question. I love the chance to share what I believe and why. I only ask that if you disagree, that you simply share what you believe and why rather than telling me why you believe I’m wrong.
  
  So to answer your great question: we believe that ALL men, i.e. people, are given a chance to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ either in this life or the next.
  
  “from among the righteous, [the Lord] organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness. …
  
  “These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
  
  “And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (D&C 138:30, 33–34.)
  
  For a more detailed explanation, please read this article from a former Prophet:
  
  http://www.lds.org/ensign/1993/04/because-i-live-ye-shall-live-also?lang=eng&query=spirit+paradise+prison
  
  Thanks!
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:35pm
  P8RIOT
  
  Are you kidding me? All of the apostles but one were killed in horrible ways for preaching the gospel and exposing false teachings and teachers.
  
  What offends you is the TRUTH and that truth divides the whole world and does so by design of God Matthew 10:34, Luke 21:51
  
  Every time you mormons open your mouths you contradict the bible as demonstrated by Glenn Beck.
  
  Beck said He was married to his wife not only here but in eternity, is that what the bible teaches? No it is not Matthew 22:29-30, Luke 20:35-36
  
  Beck says that polygamy is wrong and yet the D&C says otherwise as Marvel and others point out
  
  mormonism as a whole is not Christian in any way shape or form and the resurrection/rapture will show this to be true.
  
  When the resurrection/rapture happens it is my deepest prayer that those left behind will see the truth and believe upon the real Jesus Christ and not the idol version the mormons have created.
  
  You will have to look your apostles in the eyes and say “You lied to me”
  
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- soybomb315
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:46pm
  Those all of you who are suspicious of Glenn and think that he has not fully ‘vetted’ the Mormon teachings you reference…..
  
  Remember, this is the same Glenn who single-handedly took down the Newt Gingrich campaign over a couple quotes, but ignored the terrible progressive cancers on Mitt Romney’s record as governor (and his progressive quotes). This is the same Glenn who did not lift a finger for Herman Cain – who was exactly the type of candidate Glenn has talked about for 7 years. This is the same Glenn Beck who trashed the entire Ron Paul candidacy over two issues. This is the same Glenn Beck who tells you Abraham Lincoln was a great president who saved this country; but Glenn does not investigate Lincoln’s tyrannical presidency, his economic beliefs, or his association with progressives.
  
  I thank Glenn Beck for waking me up and I will always be thankful for that. But the time where his students have become the masters. Glenn has gotten bogged down by the complexities of his influence. We all need to hold Glenn’s feet to the fire and encourage him to honor his own words and motto that made him who he is.
  
  Peace
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:52pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES: I ask you these questions. Was Christ the result of a sexual union between God and Mary?
  
  No. Mary was a virgin just as all of our scriptures teach, and Jesus was at the same time the literal Son of God the Father. It was miraculous. (see http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Conception)
  
  THERAPTURCOMES: Was Christ the first born Spirit and was he the spirit brother to Lucifer?
  
  Yes, Jesus is the Firstborn, the Bible teaches that (Col. 1:13-18). Jesus is after all the “Son” of God. And yes Lucifer, along with a third of the hosts of heaven rebelled and were cast down (see Isa. 14:12, Rev. 12:3-4). They were children of God, but they fell from that status. It is also important to understand that our doctrine teaches that the spirits of mankind are immortal and have no beginning, and we do not believe in any kind of creation our of nothing (ex nihilo), see D&C 93:29. The scriptures make it clear that the God is from everlasting to everlasting (see D&C 20:17). So, in our doctrine, being “born” does not mean that is when Jesus came into existence.
  
  THERAPTURCOMES: Is water baptism necessary for salvation?
  
  I’ll let Jesus Answer that: “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)
  
  to be continued…
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:53pm
  I despise contention as it is of the devil, but I simply must respond to the bigotry presented in this thread, piece by piece:
  
  1) Everyone knows that Paul McCartney was the most talented member of Wings. 2 Kings 12:5 makes this abundantly clear.
  
  2) Those with a widow’s peak hairline were touched by a transvestite werewolf shortly after birth. Revelation 12:21.
  
  3) Ocean’s 13 = Ocean’s 11 > Ocean’s 12. 1 Maccabees (Apocrypha) 1:4.
  
  4) People who revel in contention will deny every facet of truth until they see their illogical nature through personal introspection. These people are typically known as democrats, but are also sometimes found within the ranks of “Christianity”. Genesis 1:1
  
  5) If Jesus loves the dinosaurs, then he loves Mormons too. http://eggerhaus.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/200706181605.jpg
  
  6) Sonny was the best part of Sonny and Cher. In fact, he was the only positive aspect of that whole thing.
  
  I hope this clears up questions you have. End transmission.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:53pm
  THERAPTURCOMES: Does the mormon church deny the trinity?
  
  We do not deny the Godhead, which consists of three separate personages, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We believe what the Bible teaches about the Godhead, not what councils of men have determined incorrectly about God in the creeds of Christendom.
  
  THERAPTURCOMES: Your whole mormon religion is not Christain and contradicts the bible.
  
  You have not once showed how the our religion contradicts the Bible. At best you have only demonstrated that your interpretation of the Bible is different than ours.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:54pm
  @ P8TRIOT
  While I will indeed return to this discussion as it provides answers to beliefs that confound me, I must go for now. I have family in town this weekend and simply do not have the ability to continue this dialog until next week. Even then, I will only do so if others haven’t sufficiently responded.
  
  I found it interesting below that you dismissed DOGTAGS very legitimate issues. How does one know what they believe until they know what they reject? You must have a reason for being a LDS member versus a Buddhist, Hindu,etc. Without questioning, it is possible Communism may be good & we can only know that it is by discussing it with a Communist.
  
  You ask if I disagree that I not claim you are wrong. Ok…I’ll do my best. But I would ask you to provide the argument for your beliefs using only the Bible since I reject any works within the LDS doctrine.
  
  That said, I believe Jesus’ work on the Cross, His death AND resurrection was sufficient from that point on. I believe to suggest otherwise takes away from what He came here to accomplish. The Bible states that all who seek Him will find Him. The Bible does not state that He would another prophet at some later point in time or that Jesus’ Word was insufficient.
  
  Again, I apologize that I must go for now. I leave you with Question with Boldness. Ultimately what we believe will matter. One should continue learning and questioning what they believe until their last breath.
  
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- urrybr
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:13pm
  I dunno about others, but I believe that Christ is “living,” and that He directs His Church . . . The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. HE DIRECTS HIS CHURCH. Christ resurrected on the third day after his crucifixion, as had been prophesied, and is living this very moment.
  
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- preachthewordfaithfully
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:14pm
  I’m sorry sir, but if you are a Mormon, you do NOT worship the Jesus of the New Testament. Jesus has existed eternally, as a member of the Godhead. He is not the brother of Lucifer, a product of an actual sexual relationship with Mary by a man from Kolob who was a good Mormon and elvatedto godhood. As Paul said in Galatians 1:8 “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” Mormonism is another gospel. Please repent and put your trust in the living, eternal Jesus Christ who paid the penalty for all of your sins. It is not “do your best and let Jesus do the rest” works righeousness as the LDS teaches. “Jesus paid it all, all to HIm I owe, sin had left a crimson stain, He wahed me white as snow!”
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:17pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES: You just spoke in circles as is the mormon norm. You said Christ is the Eternal Father and then called him the Son of the Eternal Father and that they are not one in substance.
  
  I said that intentionally to demonstrate that I acknowlege the divinity of Christ. His unity with the Father is such that what He says, and what He does, is exactly what the Father would say and do. In that way they are “one”. They are not the same person, but are literally Father and Son. Christ is authorized to speak and act as the Father, he is the Heir to all the Father has, and we too can be joint heirs with Christ, and “one” with God as He is. Jesus Christ is our advocate with the Father. Under the direction of the Father, Jesus created the Universe, and all that is in it – this is why it is proper to call Jesus the Eternal Father of heaven and earth. Also, those who are baptized become the children of Christ, and thus this is another appropriate reason to call him Father. In every conceivable way it is proper to call Jesus “Father”, except He is not the Father of himself, or our spirits. His Father, is our Father.
  
  Said Jesus:
  “…I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17)
  “…for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:19pm
  MARVEL
  
  I just linked to your cite and it as per the norm uses double speak
  
  I read the whole page in your link and all that site does is show just how messed up the mormon church is.
  
  It is so convoluted as to make no sense at all. It is self contradicting from one mormon leader to the next and only shows satanic influence at its finest, UTTER CONFUSION
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:25pm
  @copatriots
  
  Have fun with your family this weekend! :)
  
  I will be happy to back what I say with biblical scripture – however, to ask me to not use “mormon” sources as well would be like if you were sharing the gospel with an athiest and he said not to use the bible because he didn’t believe in it…
  
  I’m simply sharing what I believe and why. I’ve never asked anyone to believe me… rather if they desire to know if what I am sharing is true – to pray about it and the Holy Ghost will testify the truth of it unto them.
  
  “…the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” 1 Cor. 2:11.
  
  Thanks!
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:28pm
  @preachthewordfaithfully
  
  I am a Mormon and I worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ, and I worship Jesus of Nazareth, the Savior of mankind, who are from everlasting to everlasting the Eternal God. Our scriptures, including the Bible and the Book of Mormon agree with me. Jesus was and is God before, during, and after his mortal ministry.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:33pm
  MARVEL
  
  Lets break this down by the numbers shall we.
  
  I asked “does the mormon church deny the trinity”?
  
  I quote you “We do not deny the Godhead, which consists of three separate personages, the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost. We believe what the Bible teaches about the Godhead, not what councils of men have determined incorrectly about God in the creeds of Christendom.
  
  You also answered my accusation that mormonism is not Christian in way shape or form
  
  Again I quote you “You have not showed how our region contradicts the bible. At best, you have only demonstrated that your interpretation of the bible is different than ours” End Quote
  
  WOW. what utter garbage
  
  I will rephrase the question for you so that your mormon word games that you have been trained to as missionaries is neutralized.
  
  Are Jesus Christ and God the same being, yes or no
  
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- chucksue351
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:53pm
  His name in not jesus christ (christos the greek for annointed) but he was named Yeshua the Messiah, it does matter what name is used for the only Savior of the world, the words jesus christ have a pagen history and it is only tradition that He has those names in most christian churches, He was a Hebrew and thus would have had a Hebrew name.
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:57pm
  By their fruits ye shall know them.
  
  Mormon haters are haters. Muslim haters are haters. Catholic haters are haters. Hatred does not come from God, it comes from Satan. Many have posted total lies here about mormons. Links to some obscure prophecy from >100 years ago to “prove” some evil conspiracy. LMBO.
  
  Look at mormon values today. The intended and actual results are better for America!!!
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:58pm
  @THERAPTURCOMES
  
  Jesus Christ is God the Son.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:58pm
  @Marvel,
  Your rope-a-dope on Raptur is the gift that keeps on giving. You demonstrate so clearly how utterly confusing his own concept of the trinity is, and he can’t bring himself to even RECOGNIZE that you fed him his OWN belief BEFORE explaining your own BIBLICAL one that the beings are separate, but united in purpose (and can therefore claim to be “one”).
  As usual, Raptur is immune to context. He thinks stopping in the middle of the verse makes for understanding. For example, Christ prayed for all individuals in His church to be one AS He and His Father are. Raptur’s theory can’t explain that passage. Or the idea that the Father could know when the Son was coming back, but even the Son didn’t (yeahuhwhat? I get different manifestations in different places, but one not being able to know something the other knows? Aren’t they the same Being with the same omniscience?). LDS theory makes sense of that.
  As usual, Raptur also cherry-picks and refuses delivery on BIBLICAL things that simply don’t fit his own interpretation. For example, when Paul suspected Ephesians had been baptized by an imposter who knew it was necessary for becoming Christian, but who didn’t speak about the gift of the Holy Ghost, Paul re-baptized them (story in in Acts 19: 1-6) because the Holy Ghost couldn’t be given to them prior to that.
  Raptur blows by the whole story, because it doesn’t support his interpretation that didn’t mean what He said in John 3:5.
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:00pm
  Well said NewLife24
  
  Joseph Smith has no more credibility than L. Ron Hubbard, or Farrakhan, when he speaks about being on the mother-ship!
  
  Ignorance will not help the Mormon’ s and other unbelievers on Judgement Day. In fact Mormonism is more offensive than Islam in that they do have real scriptures of the Bible where it is spelled out, that one is not to add or take away any of the proffecies written in the Bible:
  
  Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
  Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
  
  Joseph Smith was a drunkard and a story teller, who’s prophecies did not come true. That claims that God almighty was once a man, and that man can become God! Just as Satan did in the garden of Eden:
  
  Genesis 3:5
  For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
  
  Islam on the other hand come from a different culture and have not generally had the exposure to God’s word the Bible. Many Muslims have come to Christ by trying to reading the Bible to try to disprove it.
  
  I did not vote for the Muslim Obama nor will I vote for the Mormon Romney.
  
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- marvel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:02pm
  @HappyStretchedThin
  
  Hey thanks. :)
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:07pm
  @ Pastorrick,
  Your superior knowledge of LDS beliefs condemns you all the more for misrepresenting them. You’ve purposely lied, which is not a Christian thing to do.
  How about show you understand, then disagree, bringing your own reasoned and supported arguments to bear, like fair-minded adults should.
  If there is a resurrection, then there’s a spirit part of every human being which has to wait for a time of reuniting with their body. The thinking, acting part of them can still communicate with other spirits, can still learn, can still grow, and can still make choices of the mind. What it lacks is a body with which to physically enact its will.
  So the LDS don’t SAVE by proxy, they OFFER proxies IN CASE the spirit entity which is awaiting resurrection ACCEPTS the offer.
  And more on the subject of Raptur’s comments. It may come as a surprise to you, but the thief one cross over from Jesus DID go to Paradise as promised, but 3 days LATER, when Christ said He hadn’t yet ascended to His Father (yeah, the Other God in the Godhead) was He then lying? If not, the only alternative is that Paradise and the Heaven the Father rules from as NOT the same place. LDS doctrine accounts for this, by claiming Paradise is the restful half of the spirit world waiting place. The thief STILL required baptism before resurrection to be “saved”. Stop putting words in the Savior’s mouth. He doesn’t like that.
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:16pm
  @DARKJELLO
  
  Keep your simpleton political correct silly talk to yourself and start to read the Bible. The fact is that God Hates many things and is completely justified in doing so:
  
  Amo 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.
  Amo 6:8 The Lord GOD hath sworn by himself, saith the LORD the God of hosts, I abhor the excellency of Jacob, and hate his palaces: therefore will I deliver up the city with all that is therein.
  Psalm 5:5, “The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,”
  Psalm 11:5, “The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
  Lev. 20:23, “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.”
  Prov. 6:16-19, “There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers.”
  Hosea 9:15, “All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels.”
  
  In Romans 9 we read that
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:22pm
  Why do peeps keep saying “my” God is real and “your” God is fake? I am 75% correct, but you are only 67% correct and thus are probably going to hell!! [crocodile tears, cackling laughter, or both then follow]
  
  This entire fiasco of a thread just proves the point that agnostics and atheists are trying to make. Christianity is supposed to be inclusive, but people are so caught up in everything matching PERFECTLY to their IMPERFECT interpretation of the scriptures that it = mind blown comments!
  
  A house divided cannot stand. And I assert again that contention and hatred are of the Devil.
  
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- contkmi
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:23pm
  @darkjello:
  
  Uh, wrong. God hates sin. That’s as biblical as one can get.
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:24pm
  @ Kankokage,
  You crack me up bro.
  But I think you forgot to mention that the Founding Fathers all agree that Kentucky Fried Chicken is better than McDonald’s, as the Federalist Papers clearly attest to. Anyone who claims otherwise is a heretic, and probably an atheist.
  Seriously though.
  I hope everyone reading this can distinguish between contention, and vigorous defense. When I’m speaking with an individual with whom I’m sharing my deep beliefs, there’s a gauge of his/her honesty in questioning, of his/her earnestness in inquiry, of his/her acceptance of basics before sharing beyond. I’ll have almost infinite patience in that setting.
  Here.
  In public.
  You distort, and I will publicly chastise you for it, call out your distortion, and provide neutral observers with the straight goods so they have another voice besides the haters on which to build their opinions.
  I’ve never intended any ill even toward the most egregious distorters here.
  But I do recognize that I sometimes go beyond the tact my model, the Christ of the Bible, would use.
  Whatever differences you claim to see in the “version” of Christ the LDS worship, can you not at least admit that they are trying to follow Him and His teachings? You might not agree with them, but studying His word to better incorporate it in their lives DOES lead to observable, objectively good things in their subculture, no?
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:29pm
  @Fattie
  
  God is omniscient and omnipotent. He hates evil because he 100% knows truth from lies.
  
  We are commanded to love everyone, and to do good to those that hurt us. Have you read and comprehended the New Testatment? Stop condemning others, and focus on improving yourself and the world at large. Those that hate mormons are haters, obviously. Any more excuses?
  
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- HappyStretchedThin
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:44pm
  @Darkjello,
  Thanks for your common sense. You’re very charitable.
  I was about to ask him if he attends every week, or if it’s only between protests at military funerals that he attends with the Westboro Baptists.
  (just playing with ya fatfree)
  Seriously, though. There’s something to be said for the difference between the kind of hate of a God who loves all His children, but hates the fact that what they’re doing deprives them of eternal chances to enjoy His love, and the kind of hate where mortals wish others ill and work by their words or deeds to harm them.
  The very Hebrew word means more like passionately rejects than our modern conception of the word “hate”.
  And in case, Christ is a Savior of individuals. So up to each of us to identify what He hates about us, and do our best to allow Him to eradicate that, no? He can love the hate out of you too, bro.
  
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- jdickiso
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:48pm
  I think it is hilarious that everyone is claiming to have some monopoly on the “REAL and ONLY” Christ, or that even a group of “Christians” with THOUSANDS of denominations are claiming they know the REAL Christ and no one outside of their elite group is worhsipping the right guy.
  
  I bet Christ would be pretty pissed at all of you right now. Claiming to know him, but forgetting his main message of loving and serving him by loving and serving YOUR FELLOW MAN. Hello? Restoring love anyone? Obviously you guys aren’t really the SICK TWISTED FREAKS your claiming to be….lol….
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:48pm
  HAPPYSTRECHEDTHIN
  
  Not so fast
  
  I quote you and Marvel
  
  “The beings are SEPARATE but united in one PURPOSE ”
  
  This is the clarification I was looking for and I now have it from two sources. You teach that it is three separate Gods that are united in one purpose but they are not one God or trinity.
  
  If this be the case why Does God make this statement as a FACT
  
  Duet 4:35-39, 32:39… 1 Sam 2:2… 2 Sam 7:22, 22:32… 1 Kings 8:60… 2 Kings 19:15-19 … 1 Chron 17:20… Psalm 18:31, 86:10… Isaiah 44:6-8, 45:5-7, 45:14, 45:18, 45:21:22, 46:9
  
  Now read and understand clearly what God is saying Isaiah 43:10-11 NOR SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME
  
  The verses above is a PARTIAL LIST
  
  I ask you mormons who resurrected Christ?
  
  (1) God Acts 2:24,32, Acts 3:15
  (2) Holy Spirit Romans 8:11, 1 Peter 3:18
  (3) Christ John 2:19, John 10:17-18
  
  So, you as mormons teach that there are more Gods (Pantheism) and yet I have shown EXACTLY what God says about that. There is but ONE GOD
  
  Explain to me how it is if there be three individual gods as three separate beings that each takes credit for the resurrection of Christ?
  
  You flatly, clearly, contextually CONTRADICT THE BIBLE
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:55pm
  DARKLELLO
  
  Does Matthew 10:34, Luke 12:51 sound inclusive to you? Truth causes DIVISION from the LIE. Christianity is not INCLUSIVE.
  
  John 3:18 is not inclusive it is a clear separation of the Truth from the lie
  
  Get out of the emergent church you are in and read the bible
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:11pm
  @rap:
  
  I am sad for you. Continue to quote a few passages as you like.
  
  I prefer to focus on ALL of His teachings, and then do my best to incorporate the ENTIRE message.
  
  Peace be with you.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:25pm
  So Beck, will you still wear your magic under wear when you become a god of your own planet? What about the baptisms of Jews over the protests of Jewish organizations?
  
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- followthefounders
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:30pm
  Glenn did a brave thing by explaining in a “non preachy” way some of the fundamental misconceptions about his faith. I applaud him for his courage and commitment to truth. I am sure that he knew this attempt would in some ways just fan the flames of the ignorant and uninformed (as most of the posts seem to indicate) that prefer to pin their opinions on second hand biased sources rather than a legitimate primary source. As a GBTV subscriber, and I assume you are a person seeking the truth, therefore, I suggest that you first inform yourself properly with this primary source (www.mormon.org) before you pose as a judge of someone’s faith.
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:36pm
  If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst.
  
  ~ Joseph Smith Jr.
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:41pm
  @DarkJello
  
  You are completely emotional and show that you don’t read the scriptures, if you did and had reasons for rejecting the Bible as the whole truth you would have corrected me with scripture references. I can see that you also ignore the many scriptures that @THERAPTURECOMES has posted as well, showing to others that you are driven by emotion, and not Biblical truth. You say that “Christianity is suppose to be inclusive” you will not find that in the Bible! Again you are going by your emotion and not what the Bible says. In fact Israel was called to be separate so that they would not adapt the pagan ways of the gentiles.
  
  Sorry that you find my sincere disagreement to be hateful, but I think you only say so because you lack factual arguments that can persuade so you result to name calling trying to intimidate others.
  
  It is more important to every Christian, or should, to lead as many as we can to Christ, and I mean the Christ of the Bible, and nothing else. No Church or Tradition only the Bible.
  
  Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
  Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
  Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:53pm
  Well guess what Becky.. your going to hell because your belief is actually evil.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:57pm
  Mutiny;
  
  You repetition about “if Mormons are right, I’ll go to heaven” consistantly shows your conflating themes of hell. Hell in the Hebrew is “Sheol”. It is a place where there is a waiting period by which the souls there will eventually be released. Gehenna is also found in latter Hebrew writings as a place where the wicked suffer. In Greek hell is “Hades”. Hades is divided into two parts. Tartarus is where the wicked will suffer for their sins forever and the others (the righteous) will be rewarded forever and remain outside of Tartarus.
  
  Traditional / mainstream christianity has evolved to “simplify” “hell” as exclusively meaning a place for the wicked dead to suffer forever. In other words, mainstream christianity has lost much of her original meaning of ‘hell”. Only the LDS view of hell retains the concept of a place of temporary suffering or rewards before the dead are released by being resurrected through the resurrection of the Son of God as well as a separate place, also called “hell” where the wicked suffer forever after the great judgement before God. Of all the Christian sects, the LDS concept is the only truly normative idea of “hell”.
  
  http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Three_degrees_of_glory/Concept_of_Hell
  
  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/hell?lang=eng&letter=h
  
  (con’t)
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:58pm
  @HappyStretchedThin
  
  Nice job trying to link me to the Westboro Babtist, which is a subtle way of name calling, because one lacks arguments. Overall though you are more civil than most of the LSD members here. I am sure that some might view me as hateful i.e. Jelloman. Yes, I do sin and am not the witness I ought to be many times because of my own flesh getting in the way of God’s spirit. Nevertheless if one of these post can cause a LSD member to actually start reading the Bible themselves and come to saving faith, then it is all worth it.
  
  Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
  Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
  Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
  Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:00pm
  (con’t)
  
  The three degrees of heaven the LDS teach are not so estranged from Christianity as you might expect: “Nevertheless, for several centuries, the original Church continued to speak of a graduated system of heavens and rewards, just as the Saviour had taught (Matthew 16:27). The very early Church Father, Papias, for example, understood that the Saviour’s three degrees of ‘fruitfulness’ (Matthew 13:8, Matthew 13:23) corresponded to the Pauline three ‘heavens’ or ‘glories’ (1 Corinthians 15:41). According to him (as recorded in the first century account of Polycarp),[4] the ‘Elders’ agreed that ‘Those who are deemed worthy of an abode in Heaven shall go there, others shall enjoy the delights of Paradise, and others shall possess the splendor of the City. [5] For everywhere the Saviour will be seen, according as they shall be worthy who see him. But that there is this distinction between the habitation of those who produce an hundredfold, and that of those who produce sixtyfold, and that of those who produce thirtyfold; for the first will be taken up into Heaven; the second class will dwell in Paradise, and the last will inhabit the City; and that on this account the Lord said, ‘In my house are many mansions,’ for all things belong to God, who supplies all with a suitable dwelling place, even as his word says, that a share is given to all by the Father, according as each is or shall be worthy (Relics of the Elders, 5).”
  
  (con’t)
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:03pm
  (con’t)
  
  http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Three_degrees_of_glory/History_of_the_belief_in_a_three-part_heaven (link to citation on previous post)
  
  What amazes me is how nonchalantly you say, “well if the Mormons are correct, I’m still going to heaven…” You realize that you’re affectively saying, “I’ll be just fine despite my not ever living in the presence of the Father.” I cannot contemplate why you would take such a position unless you simply do not understand what you’re talking about.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Darren
  
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- Crazycatlady
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:08pm
  To RDAWKINS, if Joseph and Mary were cousins then Jesus is a descendant of David. Perhaps being descended from David just meant being Jewish.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:09pm
  What amazes me is how nonchalantly you say, “well if the Mormons are correct, I’m still going to heaven…” You realize that you’re affectively saying, “I’ll be just fine despite my not ever living in the presence of the Father.” I cannot contemplate why you would take such a position unless you simply do not understand what you’re talking about.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Darren
  
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- nella111
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:19pm
  I am not voting for a Mormon or a Catholic. I am voting for two highly intelligent, dedicated family men with integrity and honor, and a great deal of class and business leadership expertise. Unfortunately, all these qualities are sadly lacking in their opponents, especially the class and business expertise.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:28pm
  Raputure;
  
  “DARREN
  
  I ask you some questions and I want an honest answers. Was Jesus the first born of spirits and is spirit brother to Lucifer?
  
  Was the union between Mary and God a sexual union?
  
  Id baptism a requirement for salvation?”
  
  Really? You want me to answer? Will you include my responses in your repture packets?
  
  Jesus first born of spirits? YES!!! Brother to Lucifer? Yes though they are hardly peers. Jesus is one with the Father while Satan rebelled against the Father and attempted to take the Father’s honor / glory. Jesus gave glory and honor ot the Father. Jesus is Son of God and therefore God in LDS theology.
  
  Sex between the Father and Mary? What are you, a sicko? Only anti-Mormons try to make that connectio with the mormons. There is NO official or unofficial doctrines teach that the Father had sexual relations with Mary. NONE. There is, however, a concerted effort by LDS leaders to make sure that it is taught that Jesus is the Son of the Father and none else. None else includes the Holy Spirit which many Christians conflate as a result in having a trinitarian belief. While the trinitarian formula makes distinction in persons betwen the three divine beings, it does declare them one numberic being and that conflates the three persons.
  
  Baptized LDS? NO!!! But one must be baptized by authority to obtain salvation. Not even the thief on the cross was “saved”. Only to enter paradise. (See my 3:57 & 4:00 posts).
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:50pm
  @ Fatfreedom, therapturcomes et al
  
  Allow me to be a bit cynical.
  
  Scenario 1: You’re right and mormons are wrong….We both follow Jesus. Let’s agree that following Jesus means we’re doing our best to live good lives (ie not kill, lie, cheat, steal, love our fellow man, etc.) You say that I don’t need to be baptized by water to get into heaven. Great. I’m living a good life so through the grace of Jesus I’m going to heaven. Right? Sweet! What will I be doing there? Who knows? Worshipping Jesus, I guess. You’ll be there with me too!
  
  Scenario 2: Mormon’s are right and you are wrong….I follow Jesus. You follow Jesus, partly anyway (Jesus said you can’t get into heaven without baptism, etc). I receive baptism by water by one who holds proper authority, you don’t. I get married in a Mormon temple “for time and all eternity” by one who holds proper authority, you don’t. We both die. What happens? I get to live with my wife and kids for forever (assuming we all live good lives and makes it). I get to realize my divine potential (ie continuing to progress “in the likeness of God”), and yes become a God myself where I will be able to create spirit children of my own just like God and I will be able to create worlds where my spirit children will have an opportunity to become like me! You get to…not do those things.
  
  Summary: Mormons are wrong, I go to heaven, same as you. Mormons are right, I live with my family forever and become a God, you
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:58pm
  Reformed 2;
  
  ” Another whopper is that God was once a human, and as such has regular sex with Mary, the mother of Jesus, in order that there will be plenty of “spirit babies” available when needed to send to those faithful Mormons who become pregnant on earth.”
  
  Dude, you are waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy out there.
  
  “When a Mormon wife dies it is up to her former husband whether she goes to heaven.”
  
  The Mormon man needs his wife equally as much. “Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 11:11). Whatever that exact nature is is unknown to man but a man needs his woman and a woman needs her man to progress in the Lord. That’s biblical.
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:06pm
  This goes to show you how much of a deceiver Glenn Beck really is. Get lost.. Your not coming to Heaven with us
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:10pm
  KRICK
  
  You show me the historical varsity of the BOM (Book of mormon) as a prophetic book detailing accurate prophecy over a 6000 year time frame.
  
  My Bible does this. Both history and archeology my bible is accurate and provable. By its prophecy alone I can see that the bible of the two books is the correct book to follow.
  
  Your cult contradicts my bible at every turn. You claim many Gods, my bible says one God with three personages
  
  Your cult teaches marriage is eternal in this life and the next my bible says there is no marriage in heaven
  
  On and ion and in it goes.
  
  You are in a cult, you have man made idol you call christ but it is NOT the CHRIST of the BIBLE. Christ is not a CREATED BEING, He is not spirit brother to Lucifer.
  
  You are in condemnation at this very moment. You have placed your trust in books of Mormonism that have deceived you
  
  Only one thing can prove you are in a cult and that is the resurrection/rapture. Once that takes place and you see it with your own eyes go to your cult apostles and prophets and ask them “Why did you lie to us?”
  
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- Charsham
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:13pm
  Look up the “MASSACRE AT MEADOWS MOUNTAIN” where Mormons killed 120 people
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:18pm
  DARREN
  
  You just showed in clarity that you are not Christian. Christ is not a created being Micah 5:2. Jesus Created the angels as the CREATOR.
  
  You really need to Google ‘Jesus Christ is God Incarnate’
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:22pm
  Noluck;
  
  “Your Jesus was not born of a virgin.”
  
  That’s news to me: “14 And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before me; and he said unto me: Nephi, what beholdest thou? 15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins. 16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the condescension of God? 17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things. 18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh. 19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! 20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms. 21 And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?” (1 Nephi 11)
  
  Never is Mary in these passages refered to contrary than that of a “virgin”.
  
  “Your Jesus is 1/2 brothers with Satan.” I don’t even know that that means.
  
  (con’t)
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:26pm
  (con’t)
  
  “The blood of your Jesus can not cover you for all sins….” Also news to me: “Now Aaron began to open the ascriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be bno redemption for mankind csave it were through the ddeath and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.” (Alma 21: 9).
  
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- SonOfThunder
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:28pm
  Marvel and Darren are doing the work of Satan. Mormonism leads their followers to hell. They have answers that are confusing and are deceptive. They have been on this blog for years. They are duped by mormon theology. They do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible. They follow a man Joseph Smith who is a liar.
  Fast Facts on Mormonism – The Church of Jesus Christ of
  Latter Day Saints
  Mormonism is not Christianity. It is a cult. Here are facts that are far from Christian doctrine or are even in the Bible.
  Mormons declare that the Book of Mormon is a second testament of Jesus Christ. However, unlike the Bible, the Book of Mormon fails the tests of historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for its claims.
  Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone and was once a mortal man who evolved to become a god (counter: John 4:24; Malachi 3:6; Psalm 90:2).
  Mormons are polytheists and believe that all male Mormons can become gods themselves (counter: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).
  Mormonism teaches that Jesus is the spirit brother of Satan, that he was conceived through physical relations between Father God and Mary, and that our salvation is not based solely on the cross and blood of Jesus Christ. Notice, you will never see a cross on a Mormon church or temple (counter: John 1:1-3; Matthew 1:18; Luke 1:35; 1 John 1:7-9; Colossians 1:19-20).
  Mormonism is a religion of works that denies the truth of salvation by grace alone through faith al
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:34pm
  @Politiciansrcrooks
  
  “This goes to show you how much of a deceiver Glenn Beck really is. Get lost.. Your not coming to Heaven with us”
  
  This is presumable aimed at me? If so…
  
  HERE YE, HERE YE!!!!! Politiciansrcrooks has now been appointed Judge over the salvation ALL MANKIND!! It is through him, by him and of him that ALL must past to enter into the kingdom of God. Christ’s grace is no longer sufficient to save!! Unless Politiciansrcrooks authorizes!!
  
  Sounds a little bit blasphemous doesn’t it? I don’t judge you for your belief’s, please give me the same respect.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:42pm
  Myownperson;
  
  “Jesus said that there would not be marriage in heaven Mark 12″
  
  Jesus said the woman married seven times will not “be given to marriage” in heaven. Mormons do not believe people will be “given to in marriage” in heaven. Marriage is an earthly ordinance. You also need ot read the story of Tobias which is what the Sanhedrin were referring to when trying to trick Jesus over the marriage doctrine. The owman in the story was married eight times, not seven as told to Jesus and it was theeight marriage which was recognized under Jewish law, not the previous seven. Therefore she has will not be married / sealed to any of the previous seven men in heaven.
  
  “God told Moses that no one could look at Him because of His holiness he would die. Yet Joseph Smith said that he had seen Him.”
  
  Good for Joseph Smith. He stands in good company like Jacob: “30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (Genesis 32).
  
  “Paul said that if anyone came telling them another gospel than what he had told them, even if it was an angel not to listen they were accursed.”
  
  Joseph Smith did not teach ‘another gospel’ but the *very* gospel of Jesus Christ.
  
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- JramboII
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Mormon truths
  
  God was a man before he was a God
  Jesus is a spirit child and Satan is Jesus’ brother and was damned because he had a different plan for saving mankin
  Satan and his minions were originally blacks, which was the mark of cain but magically changed through some revelation.
  True beleiving Mormons can become God’s themselves and they will manage a planet someday only if they are married in the temple , stayed married until death.
  The book of Mormon has changed many times as Beck talks about with polygamy. This new theological revelation happend to coincide with the petition for Utah to become a state. Same with many other changes to fit the needs of changing culture, politics etc.
  Mormonism is not Christianity!!
  None of the cultures referenced in the book of Mormon have any archeological proof unlike the bible
  Believing in Mormonism has the same factual basis as believing in Santa Claus
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:46pm
  @FatFreedom:
  
  Quoting from La Santa Biblia will only result in you telling me that we have a different interpretation of holy passages, or that such and such verse is more important than an earlier or later verse. This is not my first rodeo. And many here have already quoted scriptures that showed you are missing the full picture. You have made up your mind, so have I. Best of luck preaching and such.
  
  I guess you will now copy and past more scriptures, that “prove” you alone have mastered the scriptures and we are still in the dark. Congrats.
  
  Each of us will be accountable to God for sins of omission and commision. Good day.
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:46pm
  @ therapturecomes
  
  “You are in condemnation at this very moment.”
  
  Who are you to condemn? Does your authority come from the Master himself? Do I need to ask your forgiveness in order to be saved?
  
  My post was merely to present to you (and others who might actually be interested in knowing that there might be something better than whatever it is you believe happens in the eternities (btw what do you believe happens in the eternities, seriously)) the difference between the end game of your beliefs and mine. Nothing more. I know I’m not going to persuade you to believe in mormonism any more than you’re going to persuade me against it….do you know that?
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:47pm
  If what Glenn says is right, then the doctrine and covenants are wrong and this is supposed to be the Lord talking to Joseph Smith. If the plural wives was to take widows, how again are they virgins?
  
  “61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
  
  62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
  
  63: But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.”
  
  Read the entire D&C here:http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng
  
  Learn what the Jesus beliefs are here: http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/Page2/MarriageDivorce/Page1_JesusDivorce.html
  
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- davidg
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:00pm
  Before “Reformed2″ casts stones at Mormons for a belief that humans could aspire to divine attributes like humility, kindness, charity, patience, faith, goodness, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, and justice, to name just a few, I would refer you to the bible:
  
  Overcome, even as Christ overcame; become an heir as he is an heir
  
  Revelation 3:21 “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
  Revelation 21:7 “He that overcometh shall inherit all things.”
  Daniel 7:27 “And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”
  Matthew 24:47 (42-47) v45 “who then is faithful and wise…” v47 “Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.”
  Luke 12:44 “of a truth, I say unto you, that he will make him a ruler over all that he hath.”
  Luke 15:31 “And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. ”
  Luke 22:29 “And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. ”
  Galatians 4:7 “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:02pm
  @KRICK
  
  Your “Scenario 1″ about how we both follow Jesus, is not correct. You believe that Jesus is the Brother of Satan and that he had sex and children. You might as well say that he turned into Santa Clause, and that he lives with Elvis in Disney World. In other words Joseph Smith and Mormonism is making a mockery of the word of God, and it will not go unpunished.
  
  Your “Scenario 2″ Mormons are right. Yes you can become gods in never never land and fly around with Peter Pan. For those of you that want to get to the crux of Mormonism watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E
  
  Your “Summary, if Mormons are right you become a god” I shutter hearing such blasphemy for your soul. Mormonism bought the original temptation of Satan when he promised Eve that she would be as God.
  
  I sincerely pray that Mormons that read this thread will go back and spend time in the Bible while salvation is still possible.
  
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- davidg
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:04pm
  (continued from previous post)
  
  Before “Reformed2″ casts stones at Mormons for a belief that humans could aspire to divine attributes like humility, kindness, charity, patience, faith, goodness, righteousness, forgiveness, mercy, and justice, to name just a few, I would refer you to the bible. Here’s the second installment of scriptures from the Bible on this topic:
  
  Be ye therefore perfect, even as Christ is perfect.
  
  Matthew 5:48 “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. ”
  Deuteronomy 18:13 “Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.”
  II Timothy 3:15-17 Scriptures given so that a man of God may be perfect.
  I Peter 1:16 “Be ye holy, for I am holy.”
  Leviticus 19:2 “Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.”
  I Peter 2:21 “Christ … [left] us an example, that ye should follow his steps.”
  John 14:12 “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also.”
  II Corinthians 3:18 “But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
  1 John 3:1-3 “Now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:06pm
  Happystretchedthin;
  
  “But I think you forgot to mention that the Founding Fathers all agree that Kentucky Fried Chicken is better than McDonald’s, as the Federalist Papers clearly attest to. Anyone who claims otherwise is a heretic, and probably an atheist.”
  
  WHAT??? Where’s my musket. ;>)
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:16pm
  KRICK
  
  I need not judge you, the bible already has. I knew from the get go that I cannot convince you but I am here to tell you before it happens that the resurrection/rapture will be an eye opener.
  
  Once you see the resurrection/rapture and you see the whole of the mormon church left behind what will you do? Will you continue in your condemnation? Or, will you believe the next big lie that will be told in an effort to discount the vanishing of millions of REAL Christians?
  
  You have been told what is going to happen before it happens.
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:22pm
  @DARKJELLO
  
  I pray that you do consider the Bible and start reading it. Unfortunately most never do, and that includes most Christians as well. Hence, we see the results of it.
  
  You are right that we must all answer for our sins. But the fact remains that only Jesus Christ and his blood, through faith in him as written in the Bible will keep on out of eternal hell.
  Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
  Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
  Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
  Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
  Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
  Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
  Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
  Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
  Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
  Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
  Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
  Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
  Rom
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:28pm
  Rapture;
  
  “You just showed in clarity that you are not Christian. Christ is not a created being Micah 5:2. Jesus Created the angels as the CREATOR.”
  
  Because Micah 5:2 says “from everlasting”? WhAs for pushing Jesus is God incarnate and the creator, you mean like the following:
  
  ” 8 And he shall be called Jesus bChrist, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.” (Mosiah 3)
  
  See here: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-creator?lang=eng&letter=j
  
  God incarnate? Like this?
  
  “5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.” (Mosiah 3)
  
  Mormons believe exactly what you say they deny. Is that in your rapture packet?
  
  (con’t)
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:32pm
  @rap:
  
  Tell us more about “the rapture” as explained by the bible. I am all ears.
  
  Boom!!!
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:33pm
  (con’t)
  
  As point out to you by Marvel and as happystretchedthin ponts out that LDS knowledge simply slips out of your brain and is not alowed into the sewer of propaganda you foster about the LDS, we believe that Jesus is the son of the Father. So is Satan. Jesus was not created out of nothing and is therefore eternal. He has been everlastingly vital to the creation of “all things” and to our salvation.
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:37pm
  @fatfreedom
  
  It was kinda fun the first and second time but it’s getting a little old now…but here we go anyway.
  
  “I sincerely pray that Mormons that read this thread will go back and spend time in the Bible while salvation is still possible.”
  
  To the world at large:
  
  Be it known to all nations, kindred’s, tongues and people, fatfreedom had named himself all-knowing, all-powerful, determiner of who will receive “salvation” and who will not. yadi yadi yadi (my patience in writing is drawing to an end :) )
  
  Again, who are you to say that I won’t receive salvation…that I don’t follow Jesus. What did Jesus teach? Love the Lord thy God and Love thy Neighbor right? Now, I fail much more than I should at this, but I’m trying. I’m trying hard.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:39pm
  Sinofthunder;
  
  Since you are essentially simply repeating the same tripe you posted yesterday, allow me to repeat my question to you.
  
  You posted: “the Book of Mormon fails the tests of historical, archaeological, or geographical confirmation for its claims”
  
  I asked if you posted before or after you read my posts on highly probable geographic, archeological, and historical mesoamerican location for the Book of Mormon.
  
  Now let me add that if you believe on the day of Pentacost that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit or man’s science to teach you God’s truth?
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:58pm
  @DARKJELLO
  
  Yes of course you want to talk about the rapture and the more difficult prophecies of Revelation to take the attention away from the obvious. When it comes to the Rapture and eschatology there are many interpretations and speculations being the way that it is written. You will find many different views on those matters. I belong to a church that probably holds the same eschatological view as @THERAPTURCOMES, but I don’t hold that view, though I am sure that we agree on majority of essential views. I am not dogmatic on my view of eschatology and open for scripture to show me, as I have studies the pre-mill vs. a-mill view.
  Though important, generally I don’t consider that one of the essential views, such as total depravity, Justification by Christ blood alone, the virgin birth, 6 day creation.
  
  But where do start to defend this:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Mormon word games will get you nowhere as I know the tactics you use. Christ as GOD created all things, this includes the angels.
  
  Christ created all of the angles and cannot be a first created spirit brother to Lucifer. Christ Himself was not created by God, He is THE GOD
  
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- FatFreedom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:21pm
  @KRICK
  
  Here you go again, not answering my post, and trying to divert. No I am not all knowing,but pursuing truth, and from what the Bible teaches the LSD church is heretical with its many teachings that are contrary to the Bible.
  
  I hold as the Bible as absolute truth, whereas you don’t. You cling to your church and follow blindly. You hold Joseph Smith and his heretical teachings and your traditions above the Bible. There are many Christian Churches as well that prefer traditions to scripture, and that is wrong.
  
  LSD church believes:
  1. Satan was the brother of Jesus.
  2. God used to be a Man
  3. Jesus had 3 wives, Mary, Martha and Mary Magdalene
  4. Blacks were cursed because they refused to fight with Jesus against Lucifer
  5. Christ went to the USA to preach to the Indians (who are really Jews)
  6. Good Mormons will becomes gods themselves and have many wives as they fly through the universe to populate other planets. (More than Muslim martyrs that only get 72 virgins)
  7. God, Jesus and L.Ron Hubbard (ops I meant Joseph Smith) will judge everyone on judgement day.
  8. Joseph Smith himself found golden tablets in Upstate NY and had magic spectacles that enabled him to read these magic tablets that told him this.
  9. Joseph Smith claims that he did more for man kind than Jesus Christ
  10 Mormon wives if they are good get to be eternally pregnant.
  
  Seriously where do you even start….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:31pm
  On and on and on the interpretations go, with a “fat” wall of text here and there for dramatic effect.
  
  By their fruits ye shall know them. Strive to be like Christ. Spend less time talking down to those with differing opinions. Too many here are showing us EXACTLY why religion has such a bad rap. They wonder how “righteous” folks are so gosh dang intolerant when we claim to follow La Santa Biblia. Curious indeed. God bless!
  
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- Hobbs57
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:37pm
  I am thoroughly convinced the certain Evangelical sects most certainly work for the king of fear, Satan. Yes , you claim to prescribe to the one and only God, Jesus Christ, but you haven’t figured it out yet that you are only praying to yourselves, for you believe you are God and have the powers as such. I suppose absent knowing the adversary personally, having done his bidding, I may be fooled as well. I would still project human attributes onto an eternal being, disrespecting and insulting his all knowing wisdom… Foolish little men you are. Sadly, you use religion so you can try to satisfy the empty void in the pit of your stomach, miserable shoving fleshly accounts and materials into this bottomless pitt, eternally thirsty. ANd you me preacher man, pastor Rick, I am sure you teach fear and not faith, as it appears you have assumed the powers of God as well, knowing good and bad, able to judge others according to the fleshly knowledge you attained. hahaha You are the same people who would have thrown stones at Jesus and would argue the Mother Theresa isn’t going to heaven because she isn’t an evangelical. You men represent all that a Christian should not be. Not all you Evangelicals , obviously, but those who prescribe to this all knowing, judging, and condemning practice of fear. Fear and faith can no coexist, maybe you should take note of this, as you do the next right thing because you are afraid of punishment, and not because your faith directs you. Wake up !
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:39pm
  DARKJELLO
  
  I will give a link to you that is over a 3 hour video that goes into great depth on the rapture. The video is by Chuck Missler. It also comes in parts so as to not to be to long.
  
  http://youtu.be/pV7eAuYcNpE
  
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- ATTA
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:32pm
  Well here are some questions for you:
  1. Can you show me archeological or historical proofs from non-Mormon sources that would prove that the peoples and places named in the Book of Mormon actually existed?
  2. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)?
  3. I’ve read where Joseph Smith said that he translated the golden plates (from which he got the Book of Mormon) letter-by-letter, “by the power of God” and that it was “the most correct of any book on earth.” If that’s true why has the Mormon Church had to make more than 4,000 changes to the Book of Mormon that was originally published in 1830?
  4. I read where Brigham Young, the second president of the LDS Church, taught that both the moon and the sun were inhabited by people (Journal of Discourses, 1870, v.13, p.271). Has the Mormon Church ever found scientific evidence of that to be true?
  5. Read Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Since the Bible’s test to determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets? If Brigham Young was a true prophet, why would one of your later prophets overturn his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the Church until after the resurrection?
  
  Sorry but there are so many that I am running out of room.
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:38pm
  @ therapturecomes
  
  “I need not judge you, the bible already has.”
  
  …so the bible alone supercedes Jesus’ authority? Wow. Better start worshipping it rather than Jesus.
  
  Speaking of supercedes, which you apparently know a lot about, condemning me and all. Who gives you the authority to supercede Jesus’ power? Is Jesus not all powerful? Being such why would he not be able to make me a God? Why do you limit Jesus’ power?
  
  Since you think we believe in different Jesus’ lets examine each:
  
  Your Jesus: Can’t make my marriage endure past death, can’t make me a god. Limited power.
  
  My Jesus: Gives the potential to make my marriage endure through eternity…I love my wife very much and would like to live with her forever in a husband/wife relationship. Gives me the potential to become a god “inherit all that the father hath”. Ya, that sounds pretty good to me. No limit to His power.
  
  My Jesus > Your Jesus.
  
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- average_man
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:40pm
  As far as I know, the Mormons were driven out of Nauvoo because they were stealing livestock and women, that when they die, they will become like God (which makes me think that their kids will be like Jesus), and God was a perfect being from another planet (so that would mean He wasn’t the Creator but part of another already existing race).
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:43pm
  @ HJBONES, some Christians believe in the Christ of the New Testament. Many of those are called “Mormons”. Other Christians believe in the Christ of the Council of Nicea. One of those goes by “Mutiny.”
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:50pm
  KRICK
  
  Jesus Christ of the Bible says there is no marriage in heaven Matthew 22:29-30, Luke 20:35:36
  
  God of the Bible says there are no Gods besides Him in at least a dozen places Isaiah 43:10
  
  You prove that your Christ is not the Christ of the bible
  
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- Charsham
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:52pm
  Hj Bones
  Mormons certainly don’t believe in the Jesus of Hebrews 1:8 “but Unto the son HE saith, Thy Throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever.”
  Jesus is God; Glenn dodged that question by just saying “he saved the world so.. he is divine.”
  that is what the person was really asking.
  so you don’t believe in the same Jesus if you don’t believe in the DEITY of CHRIST
  
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- Trollkiller68
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:12pm
  NewLife24 your statement is not only disturbing, it is an oxymoron as well. There is only one Christ. If you would only humble yourself and take the time to prayerfully study the book of Mormon you could learn more than your hireling priests can teach you in ten life times. We have the ball, and we are running hard to win the prize. Nothing you or anyone else says can stop this great work from moving forward.
  
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- DarkJello
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:59pm
  It is impossible to dispel all myths with Satan running rampant in the heart of men.
  
  God bless everyone, especially those that don’t believe!
  
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- Comments4TheBlaze
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:35pm
  @KANKOKAGE
  
  LOL your reply in this thread was funny keep em coming :)
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:54pm
  1. Can you show me archeological or historical proofs from non-Mormon sources that would prove that the peoples and places named in the Book of Mormon actually existed? – Squier and Davis, 18something, “Ancient Monuments of the Mississippi River Valley”. This details the expansive civilization that lived in the Eastern US from about 600 BC to about 400 AD, also known as the Hopewell Indians. These are believed (by evidences in their languages, architecture, and oral history) to be the Nephites.
  2. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)? – The same reason people say they live in Dallas or New York, but really they live in one of the suburbs. Jerusalem was a major city that everyone knew – Bethlehem, not so much.
  3. I’ve read where Joseph Smith said that he translated the golden plates (from which he got the Book of Mormon) letter-by-letter, “by the power of God” and that it was “the most correct of any book on earth.” If that’s true why has the Mormon Church had to make more than 4,000 changes to the Book of Mormon that was originally published in 1830? – If the Bible is so perfect, why has it been changed more than 4,000 times? Because of typographical errors (Joseph was not perfect), repetitive phrases, etc.
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:03am
  4. I read where Brigham Young, the second president of the LDS Church, taught that both the moon and the sun were inhabited by people (Journal of Discourses, 1870, v.13, p.271). Has the Mormon Church ever found scientific evidence of that to be true?
  
  Aside from the fact he told these statements to little kids to excite them and they are not considered to be doctrine by anyone, I would like you to prove there aren’t people on the sun and moon.
  
  5. Read Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Since the Bible’s test to determine whether someone is a true prophet of God is 100% accuracy in all his prophecies has the LDS Church ever reconsidered its teaching that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were true prophets? If Brigham Young was a true prophet, why would one of your later prophets overturn his declaration which stated that the black man could never hold the priesthood in the Church until after the resurrection?
  
  You make a false statement here that ruins your question and premise: a prophet is not perfect, but God is. However, if a prophet interprets the word of God one way, who are we to question God instructing his predecessor to make a change or correction?
  
  6. Why are Mormon women so amazingly hot?
  
  Years of isolation with a hearty supply of Scandinavian and German women, mixed with dark-haired English women.
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:04am
  And by predecessor I mean postcessor, or whatever comes after. Silly me, being all false and wicked by not using the right word.
  
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- Kankokage
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:16am
  All those with such strong, biased sentiments and emphatic statements of damnation and hellfire, may I ask you to refrain. Such declarations speak not of love, compassion, and Christlike empathy; rather they speak of intolerance, vengeance, and hatred – all things that Jesus Christ taught us to abhor. We are all blessed with a unique knowledge of the saving power of Jesus Christ, something that a massive portion of the human race knows nothing about. Quibbling and fighting over whose Christ is more Christ-y, or whose Gospel is more Gospel-y is childish, foolish, and worst of all, EXACTLY WHAT SATAN WANTS US TO DO. The Word of God cannot be stopped, and it will reach the ends of the Earth. But us, the individual humans, can be destroyed regardless by our pettiness and inability to listen and accept the beliefs of others.
  
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- PRESIDENT_OBAMNEY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:05am
  @soybomb315_II,
  I agree with your analysis, but I’ll add this: Glenn mildly flirted with backing Paul (but he later became a no-go after realizing that Paul’s strong adherence to the constitution led him to rightly believe that only Congress can declare wars and that the President cannot go into undeclared wars). This didn’t jive with Glenn’s own worldview; thus he perceived Paul as being bad for Israel and the pro-war AIPAC lobby (which is odd since the Mormons believe that the native North Americans are the Israelites or something?). He also flirted with backing Bachman who couldn’t perform (she lost Iowa after a virtual three way tie between Paul, Romney, and Santorum—which through outright voter fraud via Iowa Republican Party shenanigans entire county’s ballots were lost and Santorum became that Caucus’s victor of their non-binding pageantry and Bachman dropped out. Afterward Glenn touted the big government progressive, Rick Santorum and Paul became hated on Becks show (even though Paul was the intellectual foundation of the Tea Party); Paul’s backer’s 2008 alternate protest-convention in Minneapolis (in juxtaposition to big government liberal McCain’s RNC coronation in Saint Paul) which attracted thousands more than the RNC’s own convention; ignited the first Tea Party consent; and launched Paul’s 2008 march on DC—all which became the dissenting rally cry for the Tea Party’s formation. Beck didn’t jump on the Romney band-wagon until Santo
  
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- PRESIDENT_OBAMNEY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:19am
  @soybomb315
  Beck didn’t jump on the Romney band-wagon until Santorum (the false Tea-Party progressive) dropped out. It was a two man race at that point and Paul could have still won with Santorum (in a brokered convention) or without him (with or without Glenn’s backing had the RNC played by their own rules). Fast-forward to 2012 and see how it all concluded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQvszfnOSY8&feature=player_embedded#!
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:34am
  Rapture;
  
  “Christ Himself was not created by God, He is THE GOD”
  
  Very good segway into John 1:1. While Ho Theos “the God” does apply to Jesus, especially in His relation between man and the Father (He is the only way to the Father thus one reason why no Gods before or after Him), it’s interesting that John 1:1 does NOT apply “the God” it to Jesus but to another entity not Jesus.
  
  Reading in the Greek, John 1:1 says, “In the beginning, was the Word and the Word was with the God, and God was the Word.” (h/t to Jeff Lindsay by which I first learned of this). The Word was God. Thi is exactly what LDS theology teaches. The Word was *also* with “the God” at the beginning of creation. “The God” wuld be the very being Jesus himself said was His God. “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17). If Jesus is “the God” than how does Jesus have a God? (Read the Greek fr yourself: http://interlinearbible.org/john/1-1.htm )
  
  As for baptism of the dead (another h/t to Jeff Lindsay), the New English Bible has a footnote which says that this baptism was performed among the Christians of Corinthians. http://bible.org/netbible/index.htm (Click on footnote 17). Perhaps Joseph Smith made a lucky guess with that one, eh?
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:24am
  @therapturecomes
  
  “You prove that your Christ is not the Christ of the bible”
  
  No, I prove that…uh oh here it comes…he’s gonna say it….don’t do it…..the bible is not the end all be all of knowledge about Christ, the Gospel, the eternities. NOOOOO!!!! HE SAID IT!!!! I CAN’T BELIEVE IT!!!!!! WHAT THE?!? HOW THE!?! WHY THE??!???? NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Consider this:
  The bible is what 1000 pages give or take depending on which version? Do you really think that EVERYTHING we need to know about Christ, His gospel, His mortal ministry, the ETERNITIES is in those 1000 pages? What about the Christians who lived in Corinth before Paul wrote letters to them? How were they to follow Jesus when Paul hadn’t written to them yet? They didn’t have the bible. Are they condemned to hell with me? What about Paul himself, he didn’t have the bible, is he condemned to hell with me?
  
  Your understanding of Jesus and the eternities, based on the bible, gets you to oh say 2rd or 3th grade. My understanding of Jesus and the eternities, based on the bible, book of mormon, D&C etc. gets me marginally ahead to say 5th or 6th grade. Hopefully someday when I’m long past through this life I can earn a doctorate in Jesus and all He did for me.
  
  Wouldn’t it be nice to have a modern day Moses who we trust as someone who could speak with God and give the direction we so desperately need? Moses go to Sinai and ask God if the the meaning of this or tha………..
  
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- krick
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:31am
  …..boy I wish God loved me as much as he loved the ancient Israelites. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a modern day Paul who we could just ask “Paul, what did you mean when you said ‘why do we then baptize for the dead when the dead raise not’” Boy I wish God loved me as much as He loved the early Christians.
  
  What mormonism has to offer that no other denomination of christianity has to offer is just that. A modern day prophet who can go to “Sinai” and ask God questions and receive real time answers.
  
  Amos 3:7–Surely the lord god will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
  
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- Luckywon
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:01am
  I guess I wasn’t aware that there was more than one Jesus Christ. I am Mormon, I was raised in the LDS church. I believe with all my heart in Jesus Christ. I know he is my redeemer. I know he is my savior. And I came to know him through study of the BIBLE. If I am studying the wrong bible, and therefore believe in and love the wrong Jesus, please enlighten me. But first, tell me, who are you to tell me that my faith in Jesus Christ is in the wrong Jesus Christ?
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:40am
  GOD is the ultimate calling or job if you will.
  
  Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are all privileged to have this job. When they are on duty they are in every way GOD. When they are not they do the other things they do.
  
  I made that simple but of course it is far more complex than that. There is no way that we here on Earth could ever understand what the GOD job actually is. But it does explain the Trinity. Where there are three members of the Godhead yet only one GOD.
  
  Jesus prayed that we could become one with GOD as he was one with GOD. This was something he was praying for us to be able to do at some point in the future. How that is possible no one on Earth knows just that Jesus prayed for it so it must be possible.
  
  Read the Book of Mormon to know about the LDS. If you do so and sincerely pray about it GOD will witness to you of it’s truth.
  
  But no LDS or anyone else on this Earth knows all truth.
  
  One thing I know as a LDS. GOD answers every ones prayers. We have no monopoly on that.
  
  I have no doubt that for many that prayer is to stay in a church other than this one. I ask all to pray fervently and often to be good with GOD. To live as he would have you live. If you do we will see each other in Heaven. Then he will give us the actual details.
  
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- Endyr
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:01am
  How dare you criticize another human being’s faith. I am not a Morman, I do not hold the beliefs they do, but that does not give me the license to bash them. People like you who argue “who’s faith is better” like a grade school punk just disgust me. Grow up.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:51am
  KRICK
  
  The NT was written under apostolic authority and the bible is the final word and if anything comes along that contradicts the bible then it is not of the Holy Spirit.
  
  The minor and major prophets wrote the OT and the apostles wrote the New testament with the exception of Luke and Mark. Luke was a friend of Paul’s and Mark was with Peter.
  
  But anyways back to the point. All the prophets were Hebrews just as all the apostles were Hebrews. All of the apostles new and were ordained by Christ Himself.
  
  From Genesis to Revelation is the bible and there be no other books or writings that are are INSPIRED.
  
  Within the pages of the bible is the proof that it is authentic
  
  (1) Written by Hebrews
  
  (2) It is accurate history that can be verified
  
  (3) The verification can be verified by Archeology
  
  (4) We have over 24,000 ancient or portions of ancient NT writings in four languages of Koine Greek, Coptic, Syriac and Latin.
  
  (5) We have the Dead Sea scrolls that are accurate history
  
  (6) Bot the DSC and the OT and NT writings have Names, Places, Dates and is a part of actual real history
  
  (7) The bible as whole has almost 4000 predictive prophecies that is to date 100% accurate.
  
  If you are going to claim the writing’s of the mormon church (BOM D&C) are in par with this then you ares seriously deceived.
  
  You writings and doctrines contradict the teachings of the bible and are not of Holy Writ
  
  You teach doctrines of demons and nothing as
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:53am
  KRICK
  
  Jesus Christ is not a created being He is eternal without beginning or end
  
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- Cali-Gal
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:53am
  You people are all pathetic! Who cares what Mormons believe! Does that change Glenn Beck just because you now know what his mormon beliefs are??? He is the same Glenn Beck he was last week and last month, so who cares! I think we all should concentrate on our own salvation instead of worring about what someone else believes. Our country is going over a cliff and you are scared of the mormons! Give me a break! All the mormons I know just want to go about their business. They don’t go around critizing someone just because of their beliefs! Wasn’t this country founded on the principles of religious freedom, Freedom to worship How, Where,and What we please? So some of you say you can’t vote for a mormon and you can’t vote for a Communist-Socialist, well not voting is like voting for Obama! Beware my friend, four more years of Obama and it won’t matter what any of you believe because we won’t be allowed to even believe in God anymore! I don’t think Mitt Romney is going to hold anyone down with a gun to the head and make anyone become a mormon, heck he won’t even talk about his faith. I’m not in love with all his policies but I think he has the business experience to turn this Ecnomy around. He and Paul Ryan are our best hope to perserve our constition and get this country back on the right path!!!!! Our Vote is important, because you know that the Dems will have all the Dead in Chicago voting!!!
  
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- VanceUppercut
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:29pm
  @hjbones
  
  You also believe that God lives on the planet Kolob. A UFO religion founded by a known con man. Sheesh.
  
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- rktul123
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:34pm
  There are several things that I would like to address but one in particular. Screamineagle writes about the so called White Horse Prophecy that some dude wrote in a journal when he was in his 90′s, some 60 years after he claimed to hear it. Now that is reliable and Screamineagle, personally I would be embarrassed. You want Glenn to waste his time explaining something that the church has said time and again is not doctrine. Something that a 90 year old man wrote in a journal nearly 60 years after he heard Joseph Smith talk about it, really. Grow up and grow a brain. The interesting things that I do find are that the Mormon people did indeed move west and become a strong people and that the constitution is indeed “hanging as it were by a thread”. But maybe you enjoy having your head buried in the sand. You can continue in your belief of a God that will destroy billions because they never even heard his name (That doesn’t sound like a very just God to me) but that he will save you because you say you believe (James 2:19 “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”) So evidently there is more to it than just believing or else the “devils” would be saved, wouldn’t they? They believe, lol. I’ll keep believing and worshipping a God Who states that the worth of all souls is great in His sight and it is the content of that persons heart and not the words that fall from their lips that save!!!
  
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- Euna
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:01pm
  Meg-
  LDS members. Don’t you know it does no good to try and reason with a signpost? These non members, and those that at one time had their names on the church rolls, who think they are the God,to judge everyone else, has a day of reckoning coming. So just let them be, we know the truth and the truth will set us free. They happen to be the ones in darkness, and all the crap they spew out, will not damage us at all.
  
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- pdw
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Strange how people have been lulled into condemning another Religion without facts but only from what they hear. 1 John 5:1 WHOSOEVER believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
  2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
  3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
  4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
  5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
  6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
  7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
  8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
  9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
  10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
  11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and t
  
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- fiberdrunk
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:54pm
  @ screamineagle
  
  The Church officially denounced the White Horse Prophecy back in 2010 (and it wasn’t the first time). You can read the official statement here.
  
  “The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine.”
  
  http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/blog/church-statement-on-white-horse-prophecy-and-political-neutrality
  
  Seriously, there is no conspiracy.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:33pm
  You know, I have been reading the posts on here and I just cannot believe some of the responses. Nothing divides people more than religion and politics. With that said, nobody bothers to reply to my post. Glenn says the truth lives here, but where is the truth in what his explanation is? Can any of you Mormons answer that one? He is saying that the reason plurality of wives was to what, allow men to take on widows as their wives to bring them westward? I posted what the D&C 132 says, written by Joseph Smith, the profit that was given these words by the Lord, and it clearly states that in order to have 10 wives is if they are virgins and are not vowed to no other man. Well if they were married, were they celibate with their husbands? I am not trying to cut sown the Mormon religion, but I also do not like smoke blown up my as5.
  
  Krick, “What mormonism has to offer that no other denomination of christianity has to offer is just that. A modern day prophet who can go to “Sinai” and ask God questions and receive real time answers.”
  How are the modern day prophets picked? Here is what I have read: “By seniority of service. Though it is an unofficial policy set down in no Mormon scripture, the church has always chosen the longest-serving member from its highest realm of leadership—an “apostle”—to become the next church prophet.” I believe that prophets are not picked by men in a church because of seniority, but are given the divine rarity from God.
  What is the tru
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:20pm
  Rapture @ September 8, 2012 at 11:51am ;
  
  You left out what yu believe the third persn f the “Holy Trinity”. And according to your arguments would be “the God”. Quaint.
  
  @ September 8, 2012 at 11:53am – “Jesus Christ is not a created being He is eternal without beginning or end”
  
  Here’s the LDS doctrine according to Abraham 3- ” 19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.” Here the Father declares He to be the greatest of all the spirits created by Him. ” 22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;” Here we read that “created” means “organized”. That shows the eternal nature of spirit. Spirithas no beginning but it was the Father who from the beginnnig who organized them to be what they are today. “24 And there stood aone among them that was like unto God,”. That one spirit organized by the Father who was created ‘like unto God’ (God here meaning the Father) was YHWH / Jehovah / Jesus Christ (one and the same being simply known to man by a different title/name). (con’t)
  
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- Pigpen
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:25pm
  ALL of you Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) who are here arguing with NEWLIFE24 et al about who is a “true” Christian and who is not, are HYPOCRITES !!! Why? Because of the way you “mainstream” Mormons treat the residents of Short Creek, AZ a.k.a. Colorado City! Who are you to take their children away from them? Who are you to confiscate their land and property?
  
  –For all of you non-Mormons who don’t know, the mainstream Mormons like Mitt Romney and Harry Reid do NOT consider those descendants of the Pioneers who founded the Utah Territory [but who (as a matter of conscience) still practice polygamy] to be “true” MORMONS.
  
  So how do you like that? What we have here are Mormons complaining to other Christians that it is un-Christ-like for those other Christians to say that Mormons are not TRUE Christians, and then those same Mormons turn around and rail –and I mean RAIL– on the Polygamists and SCREAM that the Polygamists are not “true” MORMONS !!! Hey, Latter-Day Saints, if you want to be recognized as TRUE Christians, how about you BEGIN ACTING Christ-like by ceasing to refer to the Polygamists as “a cancer of a sort that is beyond hope of human repair.”
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:34pm
  (con’t);
  
  So to say that the LDS believe Jesus was created you *must* reject that they believe Jesus was creared ex-nihilo or “out of nothing”. Therefore, the LDS do NOT believe that at some point in time Jesus did not exist and then did exist. The LDS do not believe in ex-nihilo (out of nothing) but rather in ex-materia (out of existing matter) and thus very much believe that Jesus existed frm eternity to all eternity. They also believe hat frm te beginnnig Jesus was “like God” or more specifically, like the Father. This isbecause Jesus’ intelligence, or spirit, was greater than all other ntelligence, or spirit, from thebeginnnig, save that f the Father, wh was and is, and always will be, greater than all. The LDS believe that from the beginnnig, Jesus / YHWH / Jehovah was one with the Father in that Jesus always carried out the will of the Father. The is why in the Greek, as I previusly posted, of John 1:1 reads that the Word was with *the God* in the beginning. The oness of the Word with *the God* made the Word God as well. The LDS wrship Jesus as God for He is the Son of God and worship the Father for He is “the God” who created all that is.
  
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- Darren
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:44pm
  Pigpen;
  
  I’ve no idea what you’re talking about on anything. God luck with your post and God bless.
  
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- Tregeagle
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:57pm
  Wait…how many Jesus’ are there? Do Catholics believe in a different Jesus than a Lutheran because they are theologically different? There is only one Jesus Christ the son of God, who died on the cross for all mankind’s sins, and, Mormons believe in him just like other Christians. A statement suggesting that Mormons believe in a “different” Jesus (so yours doesn’t count) is a cop out and an easy way to say Mormons are wrong or different and they don’t deserve the same respect as “traditional” Christians. To say that a religion or that a set of beliefs that are different than yours is “not Christian” is the ultimate insult and it’s a tactic used to denigrate, diminish and lessen the legitimacy of a group to be free to believe and espouse their belief in an individual that NO ONE has the rights too. Jesus is for everyone to believe in, accept and worship. It doesn’t make YOUR religion more important, more recognizable, stronger or better to say that about another theology.
  
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- Rgerber
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 1:09am
  I am amazed at how many of you want to focus on what divides us. Petty doctrine differences, seriously. That is just the opposite of what the purpose was. I don’t care if a person is Atheist, Evangelical, Buddhist, Hindu, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist, Jewish etc etc. What matters is the things that we agree upon. If you want to have the freedom to worship how you choose, and the other other freedoms that the constitution grants, then we are are on the same team. If you want brotherly kindness and love, then we are on the same team. If you want to attack and take away personal liberty, then you are on the other side. Choose you whom ye serve, and unite with those who want the same. Forget the petty differences. They don’t matter at all in the big picture. What is important is the Message of Christ. Love your neighbor. Let’s unite and stand for freedom, so we all can worship what Jesus, God, Universal Power, etc. that we choose. Stop pretending that any of you understand anything perfectly. Remember the teachings of Christ, and focus on that. The rest really doesn’t matter. Let a person worship how they choose as long as they are allowing you the freedom to do the same. My goodness people, if you do consider yourself Christian, then start acting like one. Let’s unite and stand for religious freedom of all people, and that includes Mormons. I know a lot of Mormons and they are all good people who try follow what Christ teaches. That is all that matters.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 2:45am
  @Rgerber, That is all and good, but where the heII is the truth???????????????? You want to give Glenn a pass on the truth, when he says the truth lives here? I Want To Know The
  Truth!!!! Nobody wants to answer my post, WHY???? Because I say the truth! You cannot go against the truth as it is the truth. If Joseph Smith was indeed a PROPHET of GOD, his words would hold up to the scrutiny that I delivered here!! It is not the truth, so it cannot be upheld. It is a LIE. If it is a lie, then all of Mormonism is a lie!! Prove me wrong, you cannot. Silence to someone speaks loudly toward the truth. Debate ME. You will not because you know you will lose as I speak the truth and Mormons speak lies. Try me, I dare you.
  
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- A Hand Up
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 3:17am
  I am not a Mormon, nor am I ever likely to become one, but it seems to me that the viciousness with which this faith is being attacked by both Christians and non-Christians alike is completely without justification. When Mormons begin to blow up buildings, train their children to become suicide bombers, and attempt to impose their own set of laws on the United States, then, and only then will I be concerned about their beliefs. I seem to recall that the early Christians were considered a cult for a long time and that they were almost universally condemned by the Jewish community. Likewise, Protestants were not considered true Christians by the Catholic church, but now it is more common to hear people say something along the lines of, “He used to be a Catholic, but now he’s a Christian,”- as if these are two completely separate religions. I happen to be a Christian Universalist, and so probably not considered a true Christian by about 90% of the Christian community because I believe that all people will be reconciled to God in the end, though some may endure some unpleasantness for a finite period of time. Believe it or not, there are different interpretations of the Bible, especially when people take the time to go back to the original languages and use translations that accurately portray the authors’ intentions instead of using a literal translation for something that was meant figuratively or hyperbolically. Perhaps we should all admit our knowledge is imperfect.
  
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- Hunter10
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 12:16am
  Wow! After reading some of these posts, I can see why some good people would reject Christianity if some of you supposed Christians are true representatives of the faith.
  
  I am a Mormon because I have read the Bible (King James version) several times (in addition to the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants) and this religion is the only one I have found that answers all of my questions and makes sense assuming we believe in a kind and loving Father who wants for us every good thing that he has (which is what I want for my children – if not, wouldn’t that make me more kind and compassionate than God?).
  
  If I use my engineering brain, I can conclude that there are only two possibilities: there is no true Christian church on the earth today OR there is one – there are no other possibilities. If none of the Christian churches are true and all have strayed from the Church established by Christ, it doesn’t matter much which one I belong to so long as it teaches Godly principles as spelled out in the scriptures. However, if there is one, I would think it would behoove me to find it (as Glen believes he has done.
  
  If there is one true church, is it one of the hundreds of Christian denominations, none of which believe in continuing revelation, which based their teachings on the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture? And, if so, which one? Or, could it be the one church which believes in continuing revelation and has a prophet at i
  
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- sixtysix
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 11:10am
  I don’t know if Glenn understands the teachings of the LDS; but, their view of Christ is different than that taught in the Bible. Their understanding of how to get to Heaven is different (for men and women as well as overall). Their understanding of baptism is different (of course other protestant denominaions as well as Catholicism differ from Biblical doctrine). You have to dig deep to find the differences – on the surface they look and act like perfect Christians. I don’t fault them, they are thrifty, hard-working, responsible members of society. In fact, if every “Christian” lived their beliefs the way Mormons do, we would have a much better world. But, when he day of judgment comes, whether LDS are correct or other faiths, God will tell.
  
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- americanmama
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 1:30pm
  Just remember that it may be you who doesn’t recognize the Christ:)
  I have come to understand and know so much better my Savior, Jesus Christ since I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints than I would have ever known Him before. And to know Him is to love Him.
  We (I) believe that Jesus was the literal Son of God, born to a virgin named Mary. He came to teach through word and example the perfect way to live. Knowing, of course, that by our (mortal) natures, we could not live as perfectly as He, He also agreed to and accepted the role of Savior, suffering persecutions of all kinds and in Gethsemane and through to the Crucifixion on Calvary. He atoned for our sins. He was the perfect Lamb which had been foreshadowed for thousands of years previous, from the time of Adam through Moses and beyond…. til the end of what we refer to as Old Testament times. He was the “Lamb without blemish” who was offered as a sacrifice for our sins. And without faith in Him, we cannot be saved in the Kingdom of our Father. But here is the thing that may separate us from other Christians. We believe that He lives! – a perfect resurrected being who leads His church today through prophets and apostles as in times of old. This is why we don’t celebrate the cross — Christ OVERCAME death. The cross was a temporary thing for Him. And our “crosses” and our death will be temporary as well, thanks to our Lord and our God.
  
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- americanmama
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 1:33pm
  It is interesting when others use the terminology –”you don’t HAVE the real Christ”. There is only one Savior, Jesus Christ, and I don’t feel like I HAVE Him, rather I feel and hope He feels that He has me.
  
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- mormonanwsers
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:05pm
  My best anwser: Watch this video. The guy is way more inspired than I am.
  
  http://www.lds.org/pages/mormon-messages?lang=eng#are-we-christians
  
  . Being part of a different religion means believing different things. There is only one Christ. There were not two that were called Jesus and did miracles. We believe that our version of Christ is correct, and you believe that yours is correct. I believe that Christ is different than how you believe. But that does not mean I can say that you don’t believe in the real one, and that you are not a Christian. And likewise, you can’t say what Mormons believe. You may disagree, and argue, but you cannot take away the title of Christian from us.
  
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DogTags
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:23am
The problem with Beck’s apology for Mormonism is that the “myths” he addressed are neither here nor there with regards to why Mormonism is not a Chrisitan sect. They are merely strawmen in the real debate as to whether Mormonism is Christianity.

When Beck talks about God or Jesus, he is speaking of someone entirely different than who I know to be true.

The Father is not some glorified man who attained godhood as Mormons believe. The Son is not some offspring of a celestial sexual union, nor is he the spirit brother of Lucifer. Mormons believe that they too can attain godhood with their doctrine of exaltation.

Those are the Mormon doctrines Beck should try to defend. I don’t really care about polygamy, magic underwear or secretive temples. Those are merely distractions from the heretical doctrines they believe about the person of Jesus Christ and the nature of God. Because they get those wrong, the other stuff is immaterial.

Mormonism is counterfeit Christianity. That doesn’t make them unAmerican, but it does mean they are still lost in their sins because their “Jesus” is impotent to forgive sin. In fact their belief is simply the revival of an ancient lie. The same lie the Serpent told Eve in the Garden of Eden: “You will become like God.”

http://americancreed.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/counterfeit-christianity/

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:31am
  I would really like to know what Mormons believe about that “glorified manhood” part…..
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:47am
  The Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man and attained godhood. Joseph Smith refuted the belief that the Father was God throughout eternity. Mormons are taught the Father mated with his celestial wives and produced spirit children, Jesus being the first born of them all. Jesus also attained god status and created this world at the father’s direction. Jesus is subordinate in nature to the father, according to Mormons, which contradicts Jesus’ statement “I and the Father are one.”
  
  These are hardly the beliefs of Christians. There is no support in the Bible for these beliefs, that is why the Mormons produced other books.
  
  On a side note, it is interesting to study the similarties between Mormonism and Islam.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:52am
  Wow, great post Dogtags. You will be attacked for it, but you are correct.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:57am
  I like Glenn Beck. He is humble, sincere and patriotic. The problem is that he is sincerely wrong about Mormonism. If he would put as much time and effort into studying his religion and investigating Joseph Smith, et. al as he does with George Soros, Van Jones, or Cass Sunstein he would see the utter bankruptcy Mormonism is.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:04am
  This article I wrote sums up what I believe about Mormonism and Mormons:
  
  http://americancreed.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/counterfeit-christianity/
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:04am
  @dog
  
  Yeah, I agree. Beck has done great things to inform this nation about the things coming ahead. Now I dont agree with a lot of things he has been doing lately but if he did the same type of research on his faith as he does in others political motives he would see these glaring problems in the Mormon faith.
  
  Knowing that Mormons “can become exalted to gods” puts all of the good works Glenn has done into question. Was he doing it for others or is he really just doing it to become a god?
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:06am
  Umm Its not only the mormons who believe that the archangels Gabriel and Lucifer are the brothers of Christ.Spiritually speaking that is.Several religions believe that or a derivative of it.
  False Religion=Any church or individual who through man made contrivances, believe themselves to be the only way.[Dogma]Religious books are inspired by God, but written by man, with all his spiritual flaws.We are made in his image.We are not a clone, if we were, we would need no guidance.
  
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- rememberthis
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:09am
  The issue is who is Jesus Christ. As the angel told Joseph in Matthew 1:23 “Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which interpreted is, God with us.” Jesus is the eternal God.
  
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- The Engineer
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:12am
  There’s a few other things I’d like to see Beck explain… like being baptized for someone else, even if they’ve already passed on. Or how about going to the temple to be “sealed” to your husband/wife in eternity? And perhaps most of all I’d love to hear the explanation of the Book of Mormon itself, as mormons refer to it as “another testament of Jesus Christ”. Christians know that the Bible is the ONLY Word of God. Proverbs 30:5-6 (NIV) says “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.”
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:12am
  Thank you, DOGTAGS. I have struggled to verbalize my deep concerns over LDS and it’s apparent gaining in prominence at this exact moment in time. You stated them very well.
  
  The many Mormons are people of good character, including Beck, Romney and many posters here. However, when one delves into the history, foundation, practices and modifications over the years, I honestly can’t grasp how one can stay a member. There is no need for anything more than Jesus and His Word. Jesus…..plus nothing.
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:16am
  @ OBJECTIVE
  
  What is the Biblical context for the belief that Gabriel and Lucifer are “brothers” of Christ?
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:43am
  @DOGTAGS
  Excellent post.
  
  Both Glenn and Romney are principled and patriotic men. While I would have liked to vote for a Christian, I know neither of them are evil, just deceived about spiritual matters. In re cults, there are always two kinds of members. Those who knowingly start the deception and perpetuate it, and the sheeple who believe the lie.
  
  Glenn can research until he is blue in the face, but it will not change his faith. Only prayer can break spiritual chains and strongholds. Glenn needs a lot of prayer.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:02am
  Ugh, bad grammar. I have to get some Zs.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:04am
  Copatriots I’m not mormon, and therefore I know very little about the mormon religion.
  
  Now, I’m pretty sure the bible is very clear that God had only one ‘begotten son’. Physical offspring.
  
  I’m not sure where they get the idea that Christ and Lucifer, et al are brothers… Some kind of ‘brotherhood’?
  
  There is the references to the “sons of God” in Genesis. Whatever that means (different interpretations on this, some think they are fallen angels, others think they are the sons of Seth, others think they mean Kings or Princes of the earth, the high class royality decended from Adam)… Perhaps its one of the verses Mormons use to suggest that “brothership”?
  
  Genesis 6
  2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
  
  Also see Job 1:6, 2:1 (where the term is used clearly for angels)
  6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
  
  Likewise you can find other references to “children of God” in a ‘symbolic’ sense throughout the bible… These being the followers of God (although that doesn’t quite fit “Lucifer/Satan” of course).
  
  Deuteronomy 14:1, etc.
  
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- THERAPTURCOMES
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:09am
  Amen DOGTAGS Amen
  
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- J_Gidgiddoni
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:53am
  Now I could offer up my own explanation of why I believe I am a Christian, but I think our church leadership said it best. So what I am going to do to answer your more (admittedly) important question as to if Mormon’s are Christians or not is to give you our doctrine. Here it is…
  
  https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/10/the-only-true-god-and-jesus-christ-whom-he-hath-sent?lang=eng
  
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- copatriots
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:18am
  Thank you, SACREDHONOR! I agree that Jesus is God’s only begotten son and has NO equal….in this earthly realm or the heavenly one. Scripturally, Lucifer and Gabriel are angels…….although certainly of opposing intent, one being of God and the other fallen.
  
  Jesus IS God…..and certainly no “spirit” brother to anyone/anything. Jesus was present at the beginning. He is the Creator. To suggest He is a brother to angels is nothing short of blasphemy.
  
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- hillplus
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:23am
  Why on earth would you think that Beck has not researched his own religion? IT is a religion he CHOSE as an adult. He constantly quotes Jefferson. ‘Question with boldness, even the very existence of God’ You really think that Beck hasn’t read every single thing you could put before him??? Now, That’s crazy!
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:05pm
  @soy – hey bud – good to see ya!
  
  I know you know this, but to take advise from dogtag or mutiny on the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over those of actual members, is like me telling you what libertarians REALLY believe and why. Just one example of why I simply defend my religion and don’t make a fool of myself trying to tell mutiny what baptists REALLY believe and why.
  
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- Irishtech
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:22pm
  So the church that is led by a guy that maybe got a theology degree at liberal university is a good Christian church? How about the one made up by a guy that filled out the correct government form and is now magically a preacher? Oh wait, I know how about the one endorses same sex marriage and gay and lesbian clergy, that must be the one true Christian church. Thanks for cleaning that up dogtags
  
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- soybomb315
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:33pm
  Yo p8riot
  
  Yea, i wasnt really asking Dogtags – i was hoping a Mormon would jump in. Oh well. Maybe you can weigh in on the conversation below
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:16pm
  It is simply foolish to think a non-Mormon cannot accurately state the Mormon doctrines. A Mormon may say he doesn’t believe what I wrote but he is either a liar or the Momons have once again changed their doctrine. The Mormon prophets are the source for the Mormon doctrines. My summation of the Mormon doctrine comes from the words of Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon or the Doctrines and Covenant, or the Pearl of Great Price.
  
  I am a Christian and I recognize counterfeits when I see them. Mormons believe in a false god even though they claim to believe in Jesus.
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:31pm
  @dogtags…
  
  So are you asserting that you know my faith better than I? If not, then feel free to ask questions rather than try to teach. If so, then please explain your credentials regarding The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
  
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- jdickiso
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:51pm
  @Dogtags….Um….except it was the very first thing he addressed….that Mormons are christians….Um….are you sure you were watching?
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:56pm
  @pa8riot
  
  I am not telling you what you believe is wrong, I ask real questions that half the Mormons answer one way, and the other half deny. The confusion about your faith is not on my part, I know what the founders of the LDS believed because I have read their teachings.
  
  When a founder says you have to have polygamy to get to heaven I believe he believes that.
  
  When a founder says God was once a man like you and I. I believe he believes it.
  
  When a founder says there are men on the moon and sun. I believe he believes it.
  
  When Joseph Smith said ” “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book” (T. of P.J.S., p. 194). I believe he believes it.
  
  I believe when the writer of the BOM translated the name Sam(an American name, not anyway connected to Hebrew or Egyptian) he truely believed he was doing the right thing. I believe he believed it.
  
  The problem with all of this, is you discount the power of Satan. When you look at the Mormon faith and its creators people on the outside cannot not help but see the flaws. He has sold the same lie to the Mormons as he sold to Eve.
  
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- Chinishque
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:35pm
  I am really blown away with all the anger on this string…who are any of us to judge whether the Mormons have the right path to God or not. Ya’ll best go back and read the dogma of your own faith because negativity could be thrown at EACH and EVERY one of them and I can dig up proof that YOU do not believe in the REAL Christ…Catholics…don’t get me started…Evangelicals…bunch of snake charmers…the list goes on and on. Your sanctimonious hoo-hah makes me ill, throwing out bible verses like noodles at the wall to see if something sticks…then you go back and commit all manner of sins against your own belief system! How many Lutherans, Episcopalians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all the rest have I seen fornicating on Saturday night and then shown up at church the next day to pray for forgiveness so that they can do it all over again the next weekend. At least most of the Mormons I have known actually LIVE their religion.
  Most of you make me sick…let he who is without sin cast the first stone…how do you like that for a bible verse.
  
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- Chinishque
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:43pm
  God
  
  Have you asked yourself, “Why does he want to know what God looks like to me”? The fact that this universal concept that we have been taught since we exited the womb elicited different responses from each person shows not only our free will and ability to define God as an individual but also shows that there is no one exact answer to the discussions we are having in class. It is very subjective and individually driven. Einstein started out from his early life as most of us do being taught that there is a God. As he began to increase his knowledge he became an atheist in the belief that man created God to fulfill his own needs. As he grew in knowledge and began to see the intricate mathematical design from sub-atomic particles to galaxies he realized that if there is a design, there must be a designer and he began to believe that there must be a God. Then he rationalized that if there was a God and that as his creation we would become intelligent enough to see his design, then he must also have a design for humans as well. And if he has a design for humans then he would have to create a methodology for that design to be known. He looked at the world’s religions and for himself had to conclude that Christianity and its belief that free will and personal acceptance were paramount, was the answer that made the most sense to him.
  
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- Chinishque
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:44pm
  When I think of God I see a man first with the fire of divinity radiating around him. He is us, but something much more as in an eclipse when the sun is directly behind the moon. A being of pure energy that also has substance. He is by definition an extra terrestrial with a plan for us that goes far beyond our understanding. Our reach for the sky and the stars is ingrained into our DNA because that is part of the design and our inevitable future. Angels, which are also created in his image are fierce creatures girded for the battle that rages constantly between good and evil, which exist just as assuredly as light and the absence thereof. We are not the first of his creation but the culmination of billions of years of preparation to ensure that when we receive our birthright of divinity we are ready for it. We sin because it is the tool by which we learn the difference between good and evil and that learning is the measurement by which we come to understand salvation and grow into divinity (the combination of pure knowledge, flesh and energy). The power of which is so immense that it can not be just given as Lucifer demanded, but must be earned through the trials of sin and forgiveness as Christ proposed. Each soul is the literal offspring of God and takes on the flesh to be tested through free will. When the realization that the individual can never achieve salvation on their own is learned and accepted and this life ends…the journey only begins.
  
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- Chinishque
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:48pm
  That all being said I couldn’t be a Mormon but I respect them. I like to have my beer (not to excess and i brew my own) and I am smoking a big fat Havana right now…but that is part of what I believe is right for me.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Ya Copatriots, I agree with your first point… You lost me after you mentioned “spirit” brothers… That’s a mormon thing?
  
  I did find some references to “Brothers and Sisters of Christ” from a Catholic doctrine POV (I’m not a Catholic either)… But they aren’t going for ‘literal’ blood meaning of brother/half-brother, etc…
  
  I wonder if the verses mentioned though, are some Mormons use in the interpretion of their beliefs.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:56am
  It really is intellectually lazy to insist someone is angry or hateful merely because he pointed out someone else believes in a lie. My point was not hateful or angry at all, but entirely loving. Mormons believe in the wrong Jesus and are still in their sins. I believe the truth and the truth will set them free from the bondage they find themselves in. The real Jesus is able to forgive sins. If Mormons would simply believe in the real Jesus, they will be saved and have eteral life in heaven. It’s only that I care. I really only just want to see you there.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:06am
  The Catholics are wrong in their manmade doctrine about Mary never having sex. She had other children. Jesus had siblings. It is ridiculous to insist “brethren” in the context to be anything other than siblings. The problem Catholics run into is that they hold this inaccurate view of Mary as an eternal virgin and then have to read meaning into words (like ‘brethren’) that they weren’t meant to bear. Mary had other children, Jesus was the only one to be born of a virgin, ergo Mary had to have had sex and therefore did not remain a virgin.
  
  Catholics, unfortunately, venerate Mary to a place God never intended. Though Catholics have a weird view of Mary, their view of Jesus is biblical and thus they are Christians (that is if they reject a salvation achieved by works.)
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:26am
  It is amazing the bankrupt biblical scholarhip on display here. We are called to judge people’s fruit. We are called to set people straight on doctrine. Judging someone’s false doctrine and exposing the lies they believe is not “mean.” It is in fact loving. We are not called to avoid judging. We are called to avoid hypocritical judging. “Judge not lest you be judged with the same measure by which you judged.” In the same Sermon on the Mount Jesus said that a person is blessed who obeyed and taught men to obey his commandments. “By their fruits you shall know them.” Leaving people wallowing in their blindness is not loving. Speaking the truth in love is loving.
  
  Making Mormons feel bad that they believe in lies is not hateful. It just may be the catalyst to snap them out of the spiritual darkness they find themselves in.
  
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- americanmama
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 1:57pm
  Certainly, it is okay to think that our faith or any religion is ridiculous. We are allowed to believe or disbelieve as we wish. I am not sure where you get your information or if you are a Christian. You should go directly to the source at lds.org. There is even a place where you can submit questions. And you are right, we are not bad people……well, I’m sure some of us are. But aren’t there such people everywhere?
  I sometimes wonder how so many contentious current Christians who wear their religion on their sleeves do not see themselves in the New Testament. They are so much like the Priests and Pharisees and Saducees– so self-righteous, unwilling to accept any new teaching even when it was the Lord Himself teaching it. Always challenging Christ, trying to prove their superiority over Him. Their pride was exactly the reason that they were “unable” to acknowledge Jesus as an authority and as their God. Some even said “He hath a devil”. He went among them, and they knew Him not.
  
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NewLife24
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:20am
There is no “another testament’” possible. the original makes that clear. Will Mormons admit that when they hear God speak they mistake the prince of this air for Him. When they find out all the ways the founder was illegitimate in the mormon founding compared to the true faith will pride send them to hell? Yes it will. Please study the book Kingdom of the Cults with Ravi Zacharias at least because eternity is far too long to be wrong.

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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:37am
  With God, all things are possible.
  
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- Juniemoon
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:53am
  If there is a new testament, then Yeshua breaks his commandment not to add or take away from his word, I kind of think God knows what he wanted in it, before saying it is finished.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:54am
  Ravi Zacharias is one of the most intelligent and well-spoken Christian apologists of our time!
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:38pm
  You’re absolutely right! I bet all those silly bishops and elders at Nicea who voted on doctrine under the presiding authority of the Emperor Constantine, (Who wasn’t Christian until death), and those who assembled the bible itself, let alone the scribes who wrote the four gospels were really surprised when they went to hell for ‘adding’ to the word of God…
  
  This is one of the biggest misconceptions of the bible. Guys, the “Bible” didn’t exist when those verses were penned, and thus CANNOT mean the ‘Bible’. Show some chops and actually learn about what you are flapping your mouth over before you condemn every Christian sect currently existing on earth. According to your assertion, those who accept the bible, (created, or ADDED TO, after the books and those statements were written), are going to hell. In fact, everything after Deuteronomy should be condemning material, as Moses stated that anyone who ‘added’ to it was condemned. Wow. According to your logic, Christ is condemned by Moses, which is an absurd interpretation, and can only mean that your interpretation is wrong.
  
  Persisting in this absurd interpretation of those scriptures only proves a complete and willful misunderstanding of the scriptures and destroys credibility.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:22pm
  I guess Bornbitter is still plagued with that disease.
  
  @Bornbitter
  
  If Bornbitter had done his homework, he would have learned that the letters from the Apostles and the Gospels had been in circulation throughout the Church since the First Century. These letters were considered “Inspired Scripture” by those who wrote them and read them. See II Timothy 3:16- All scripture is inspired by God. See I Cor. 2:13, 14:37, Gal. 1:7-8, I Thes. 4:2-15, II Thes. 3:6-14 for apostles claiming their own scriptures as inspired. Paul quotes Deuteronomy and Luke as inspired. Peter declares Pauls epistles as inspired. Etc.
  
  Many of the early Church fathers, who were disciples of the Apostles, gathered and collected the writings of the Apostles. Over the years there were some churches that were using other sources (i.e. writings not from the Apostles.) Some of these sources claimed to be from the Apostles but were frauds. The Church gathered to put the inspired writings into a collection. It was not a loosey-goosey process that you seem to claim. It was truly a divinely inspired effort.
  
  So when other writings came along that contradicted the writings of the eyewitnesses, the final Canon was a source to settle all disputes. It just so happens that the Mormons’ are left outside of Christian truth because their doctrines contradict the testimony of the eyewitnesses. They are not Christians because they don’t believe in the real Jesus.
  
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- Chinishque
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:03pm
  @Bornbitter…You are right on the mark. The council of Nicea pulled all of the “Books” together to create the Biblia or book of books or bible as it is called today. And those folks sat around and decided what got in and what didnt…and they changed terms and Ideas that they didnt agree with in many of the books…”a truly divine gathering?!…Ha Ha Ha!!!! They were a bunch of folks who wanted to format the Biblia in a way that allowed them to gain control over the multiple sects of Christianity and align them under Constantine. Go back and read the books that they left out and also read the Dead Sea Scrolls then come back and tell everyone that the bible is the only word of God. Oh and by the way…Revelations was written before many of the other books but was placed at the end because of the admonition stating that the bible couldnt be added to when in reality it was only about that specific vision. Ignorance is bliss but you best wake up…
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:34am
  Any biblical scholar knows that Revelation was he last tetament of Jesus. It was written sometime shortly before AD90 by an eyewitness. Your revisionist history places you in the realm of blissful ignorance.
  
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:19am
I just left the site and am back the trolls are starting their work just let it go.

Hillary is off the ticket

The book has clipped Dear Leaders wings on the raid

Do not let the attacks on Mormonism divide us just be quiet and let it go away. Watch the trolls get meaner and more hateful when we do not reply. They are desperate.

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marybethelizabeth
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:18am
Christians believe in a Triune God: one God in Three Persons

Mormon’s don’t

The god they call Jesus is not the Christian Jesus.

They are a religion of deception.

It not a misunderstanding. I understand it. They are a religion of lies.

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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:35am
  Actually, modern day Christians believe in the Triune God. The original Christians believed no such thing. The concept of the Trinity was not introduced until the Nicene Creed at about 400 A.D. when the emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and established the grand compromise of the creed to reconcile his previous beliefs with his new found faith.
  
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- cloudmcrain
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:44am
  You again…
  
  I disagree with every post I’ve seen you write… Regardless, I hope others treat you better than you treat others.
  
  And even with your intolerance, which is not very Christ-like, I’ll still light a candle for your soul… Hope it’s not too late… Please put down the stones.
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:45am
  There you go.
  
  The Mormon teach that Christians aren’t really Christian.
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:10am
  @ MBE – nice try but as usual wrong from http://mormon.org/articles-of-faith
  
  We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost
  
  And for those who want to start the argument about the trinity not being believed by the “original church” – while the word trinity or triune is not used the concept is clearly there and the words trinity and triune are modern terms to idntifythe concept
  
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- RDawkins
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:33am
  All religion is man made and untruthful…especially the Christian religion
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:57am
  That’s news, last time I checked the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does believe that God is our Heavenly Father, and that his son Jesus Christ died to atone for our sins and was resurrected to shatter the bonds of death.You are partially correct in that we do not accept the Nicene Creed as doctrine, and we do not accept them as being one being, but two separate and distinct individuals unified in glorious purpose.
  
  Apologies for the sarcasm at the start, but I’ve been explaining this for half of my life, it gets a little old after about the hundredth time (and that was before I served a mission).
  
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- Mrgij01
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:07am
  PGMIKE,
  I would respecfully ask that you research the statment you made concerning the belief in the Trinity starting in 325ad at the Council of Nicea. Ignatius wrote about the concept and he died around 109ad. There are many others prior to 325 as well. Yours is a common misconception quickly dispelled by history.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:08am
  Mary, having seen many of your other posts… You think all christians are practicing a religions of lies… LOL!
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:24pm
  @marybeth,
  You lie!! I never taught that Christians are not Christians. I simply stated that original Christians did not follow the doctrine of the Trinity. I believe that everyone who strives to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ and then to live by those teachings can and should consider themselves “Christian.” I have never seen or heard any Mormon claim that someone else is not Christian. Yet most Christian denominations adamantly state that Mormons are not Christian simply because we do not interpret the scriptures the same way you do.
  
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- Jezreel
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:14pm
  The Roman Catholics created the doctrine of the trinity so it would appeal more to idolators. God is a spirit, he is NOT a person. God was manifest inthe flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of the angels, preached of the gentiles and received up unto glory. “Let no man deceive you through philosophy and vain deceit after the traditions of men, the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ, for IN CHRIST DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY”.(Colossians 2:8&9) Here we see the godhead dwells in Jesus Christ, NOT Jesus in the godhead. When Jesus said to go and make disiples of all nations, the emporer Constantine added inthe word, “baptising in the name of the father and son and the holy ghost”. The apostles all baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. The other powerless forumla came when satan created the roman catholic church. Satan could not destroy the church with persecution so he successfully caused confusion and lies creating the system of organized religion.
  
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- DogTags
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:02am
  PGMike, you are wrong. Christians have always believed in a Triune God. Just becauase the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible does not mean the principles of a Triune God is not there. Examples: at the baptism of Jesus- the Father speaks “This is my beloved Son” as the Spirit descended like a dove.
  
  In the NT Jesus, the Son, claims that he will “raise up the Temple in three days” referring to his resurrection. Later, scriptures says the Father raised Jesus. Still another verse says “If that same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwell in you, he will quicken your mortal body.” So either Jesus died three times, or was raised by one Triune God.
  
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Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:18am
I’m not a Mormon but I harbor no ill feelings towards them. My experience with Mormons I have known has been good and I see them overall as good citizens and good neighbors. I will have no problem at all casting my vote for Mitt Romney the Mormon in November.

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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:42pm
  It is refreshing among this forest of trolls to find an honest, non-bigoted opinion. Thank you for respecting my right to believe as I will, and I respect yours.
  
  May God bless and keep you my friend.
  
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- PossumStu
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:50am
  AMEN. Thanks for posting one of the small handful of thoughtful, positive posts on this page. As for the rest, “forest of trolls” says it better than I ever could. The hate for Mormons on this page is amazing.
  
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RDawkins
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:17am
All religion is delusional and has insane factors which require a high degree of “faith” to believe in some invisible skygod to whom you will go after you die.

Christians are just as delusional as Mormons, Muslims, you name your fantasy….

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Atlantis737
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:16am
I thought Glenn did a pretty nice job clearing up a lot of the moron misunderstandings out there, so much of it pervaded by the left. It’s nice to get it from the horses mouth and it was a very informative show. I can agree with a lot of what I heard Glenn say. I don’t think this was a hard show to watch at all and glad Glenn did it.

One thing I would like to say regarding religion is that in my understanding it is man’s way of interpreting spirituality. Sometimes man gets it wrong and sometime he gets it right. Religion can put people on a spiritual path and help them to grow closer to the creator or it can make them dogmatic.

I see so many get stuck into that dogmatic way of thinking and they stop growing spiritually because their religion says this is truth and that is not. It’s up to each of us to weigh what is true and not true for ourselves. For myself I listen to what someone says or a religion and I compare it to what I find actually going on in life. It’s far easier for man to corrupt a religion than it is for him to change the universe that God created and the spiritual laws that govern it.

If we would all listen in humility to what life is trying to teach us without dogma and prejudice I think the religions would be far more similar in what they agree on. The universe works the way it does as created by God and nothing a religion or person says is going to change that. It’s up to us to align ourselves with that truth and let the falsehoods fa

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- objectivetruth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:53am
  Couldn’t have said it better.You hit the nail on the head.The divisive nature of religion and politics is more the root of all evil than, perhaps even money.
  
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- saranda
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:07pm
  All gb did was handle softball questions and even those be answered only with half truth. His polygamy answer did not address why Joe Smith took as many as 38 wives, some as young as 14 and others married to living men, and not for procreation ujrposes. He was in it for the sex.
  
  Or why not answer the question of the Book of Abraham being “translated” by Smith from Egyptian papyrus that turned out to be a funeral preparation guide and nothing to do with Abraham.
  
  so many questions that could have been addressed and he chose missionaries onbikes and underwear. like that matters. but then again, as Boyd Packer said about truth, not all is useful.
  
  lying for the Lord is a useful method in the lds church.
  
  All signs point to continued deception, or is it milk before meat?
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:15am
I always thought Glenn said that he became Mormon to marry his wife and that he doesnt know a whole lot about it. I guess Glenn has gotten more involved over the last 2 years?

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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:50pm
  There is actually a DVD Glenn put out regarding his conversion and why.
  
  I think this is the same one I saw…
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Unlikely-Mormon-Conversion-Story-Glenn/dp/B001EVKWLQ
  
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- QuincySmith
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:49pm
  soybean315_II;
  
  “I always thought Glenn said that he became Mormon to marry his wife and that he doesnt [sic] know a whole lot about it. I guess Glenn has gotten more involved over the last 2 years?” ~~~ Don’t know if you don’t listen carefully or just selectively, but that is not what Glenn said. He said in order to marry his wife, she required that they have a religious basis. From that he went to numerous churches. He/they could have joined any denomination, but choose ‘Mormonism’. Most people admit/admire his dogged research. Why do you suppose he would not research religion as much as any other subject?
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:57am
  Glenn’s wife would only marry him if they had a religion they shared to raise their children in. They tried a different church every week for some time then tried the LDS Church. The next week the children wanted to go back there. That is how Glenn his wife and some of their children became LDS. Neither knew about the LDS Church to any degree before this.
  
  But you really should watch that video. I was hoping he would have shared that on this show maybe he will post it.
  
  But all Glenn ask all I ask. We are both LDS. Is that you pray to GOD and make sure you are good with GOD. That you are living as GOD would have you live. If so you will be fine. We both honestly believe our Church has something unique to offer. But we also believe GOD works his wonders in his own ways. For you that may not involve our Church we understand.
  
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:13am
Very good bringing this information to light. Dear leader has not gotten the bounce from the DNC so the attacks on Mormonism will begin right away. It is better to beat them to the punch.

Let the trolls come out.

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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:58am
  Not really sure what he brought to light. He actually was factually incorrect and misleading.
  
  The Mormon execution order was created after the Mormons created an army and were stirring up rebellion against the state. There had already been a fire fight between Mormons and state militia. Also, there is no proof anyone died because of this order so the lame excuse Beck used to justify polygamy was laughable.
  
  These are not the things that concern Christians about Mitt Romney’s faith.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:09pm
  @Mutiny.
  
  The LDS formed a militia not because they wanted to start a revolution, but because they were trying to protect their homes and families from armed mobs who were attacking, killing, looting, abusing them. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haun%27s_Mill_massacre)
  The LDS were told to disband their militia and they would be granted the protection of the state, were disarmed, and then the militia turned on the LDS members. Stating that there is ‘no proof’ of any deaths due to an executive order to kill them, when there were already mobs doing exactly that, is more than a bit disingenuous and borders on the absurd.
  Executive order 44 was issued under false reports and rumor, not to mention bigotry. If you will notice, the state militia had been threatening and then attacked the Haun’s mill settlement, prior to knowledge of the extermination order, and went out of their way to execute children and wounded, though none of their members were seriously injured in the fire-fight. None were prosecuted.
  
  The LDS members were trying to defend themselves, not rebelling. There is no evidence of LDS rebellion, and their greatest crime was ‘irritating’ their neighbors, who demanded that they go to their own county, and stay there. When there were too many to fit in the ‘concentration county’, they were ordered driven from the state or slaughtered.
  
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:11am
Maybe it’s in the videos that I didn’t take time to watch, but I didn’t see any mention of the fact that there is not a single shred of archaeological evidence for the Nephites and the Lamanites ever being in the Americas.

Glenn, please, I beg you, this is THE most fundamental thing to your faith. If you cannot prove what the Book of Mormon says historically or archaeologically it is just like any other cult, it is a lie. Please Glenn, your eternal future depends on it. If you can prove the existence of these ancient societies then maybe your religion has some truth to it, but unless you can actually back up what the Book Of Mormon says, it is not true.

Please Glenn, WHERE is the real evidence?

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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:30am
  @Gold,
  Actually, there is a great deal of historical evidence to anyone who looks at these things honestly. There are ancient cities all throughout Central America that have a striking resemblance to cities described in the Book of Mormon. The Ancient Mayans and Aztecs have many records of a “Great White God” coming to visit them, so much so that they thought the Spanish Conqistidors (Spelling??) were that god returning.
  Many temples in the area are built up with precision to recognize the date of April 6th. This is the date Mormons believe that Christ was born and Resurrected.
  
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- Conserving Ink
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:33am
  The archaeological proof for the Book of Mormon is myriad but secondary. The Book of Mormon was written by ancient prophets under the influence of the Spirit and will be testified of by that same Spirit.
  
  One small example is the type of warfare used in the BOM and the ancient Americas, which is very different from any known during the time of Joseph Smith.
  
  http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon_and_warfare
  
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- javasport
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:53am
  Of course, it’s easier to believe that aliens plopped themselves down and built the Egyptian pyramids as well as the similar ones created by the Olmec, Maya, Aztec and Inca throughout the Americas than to believe a family traveled from Middle East to the America’s guided by the Lord.
  http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=45873
  And when do experts say south american pyramids started popping up? Anywhere between 1000-300 BC – the Spanish Conquistador arrival. (The book of Mormon starts in the time of Zedekiah @600BC)
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:40am
  PGMIKE, while you suggest there is archaeological evidence that supports the book of Mormon…
  
  I’d point out that those archaeological sites were already pretty well known when the Book of Mormon was published. Based on accounts of exploreres and conquistadores.
  
  It’s a chicken or the egg argument! The arguement being did Joseph Smith see golden tablets/plates with text written before explorerers came to the Americas, or did he base ideas off of historical/archaelogical/exploration knowledge that was commonly known at the time!
  
  I mean no offense of course.
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:55pm
  @Sacred
  You bring up a good point. Did this teenager with no formal schooling gather all the research that was available at the time on South America and write a fictional book based off of it? That is an honest question to ask. If you read the Book of Mormon, there are only two conclusions you can leave with; either he really did translate the book by the power of God, or he was deceived by the devil. Most people will count on their own judgement as to which conclusion they come to, but I relied on God in prayer and asked if the book was true.
  
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- Spqr1
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:47pm
  The worlds described in both the Old and New Testaments were real, backed up by both historically and archaeologically. The world as described in the Book Of Mormon, there is not a shred of evidence that it ever existed, but actually massively contradicted. Guess what sheeples, its made up. That always makes me sad because of all the Mormons I’ve known, they have always been the sincerely nicest people.
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:01pm
  How does one define ‘formal education’? By today’s standards or the standards of his day?
  
  What most people forget is that back in his day, most people knew how to read. Having a 6th grade education back then, was nearly the same as having a first year of college! Have you seen those episodes where Glenn Beck reads the old test questions people used to have to memorize?
  
  Also most people knew about civil government and the constitution, they talked about them them alot! The stories of explorers and colonists in exotic lands were popular too!
  
  Joseph Smith’s father was a school teacher! Homeschooling is a very valid way to get an education!
  
  Even Glenn Beck touts that one doesn’t need to go to expensive colleges to become knowledgeable about the world! Being self taught, and thinking outside the box! All one needs is to know how to read, or have someone read to them, and know how to write or have someone write for them! To think, and to have imagination, just requires a brain!
  
  There is no need for formal education in order to learn about the world!
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:10pm
  Also as you may know, reading was a very common past time in America. There was more literacy than there was illiteracy, if anything. Almost every household had a copy of at least the bible, sometimes Shakespeare, and sometimes popular books of history…
  
  Not to mention the dime adventure novels, newspapers, etc of the day.
  
  This was probably in part because people like Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers promoted and supported educational materials to not only Americans but also indigenous people. This included bibles, and also primers. Debate was a very popular pastime.
  
  Actually Glenn Beck dicusses this fact quite a bit, and David Barton as well…
  
  So no, he may not have had a ‘formal education’ by today’s standards. But I’d hardly agree that would made him ‘ignorant’ or uneducated!
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:18pm
  Actually I think it was Alex de Toqueville, that actually compares American’s literacy compared to the rest of the world at his time, and what he had seen in France. He discussed how even the poorest people were often keeping track of the politics, and having lively discussions and debate.
  
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LostInTheCosmos
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:08am
I like your political commentary, Glenn. But your religion has a lot of theological problems that you are covering up.

For instance on polygamy – Mormons believe in eternal marriages. That is, when you die and are exalted to godhood you are still married in eternity. So if a man’s wife dies and the man remarries, he will have two wives in the afterlife making spirit babies for him for all eternity.

In fact, two high-ranking LDS apostles are spiritual polygamists (sealed for all eternity to more than one woman.)

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- Alex
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:47am
  Why is having more than one wife in the afterlife a problem? I want to hear you say it.
  
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- Xyskalla
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:40pm
  Executive Order 44 didn’t come until 1838. Joseph Smith is known to have been practicing polygamy by 1833 when he married Fanny Alger, though he tried to keep it secret and even lied about it in the official church record (History of the Church Volume VI Chapter XIX). In fact, Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 says that it is evident that Joseph Smith knew about the revelation of polygamy by 1831. Doctrine and Covenants (official Mormon Scripture) section 132 still teaches polygamy, and it’s an interesting read because “God” threatens Joseph Smith’s first wife, Emma, that if she leaves Smith instead of going along with his polygamy, He will destroy her.
  
  Beck’s explanation of EO44 doesn’t fly, considering the fact that at least ten of Joseph Smith’s marriages were polyandrous (meaning ten of the women were already married, and their husbands were still alive, when Smith married them).
  
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- GodWillPrevail
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:09am
  I am LDS. Book of Mormon Jacob chapter 2. Clearly teaches plural marriage is wrong period.
  
  Joseph Smith and all after him sinned when they had plural wives. D&C 132 is simply a false revelation. There will not be plural wives in heaven.
  
  But I do believe in the Book of Mormon and the church to be the true church of GOD on Earth. Joseph Smith was not perfect so what no one ever is. Only Jesus Christ.
  
  I do hope the Chruch will reexamine the D&C and eliminate 132 and the other false sections. The church does suffer from incorrect prophet worship that is never taught in the Book of Mormon where all of the Prophets in it made mistakes and had to repent often. Well almost all. Some evidently lived very good though imperfect lives.
  
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- LostInTheCosmos
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:19pm
  @Alex: There are many problems. Here are a few:
  
  1) The Mormons have claimed they don’t practice polygamy. They do. So they are lying about their doctrine.
  
  2) As stated by another commentator, the Book of Mormon explicitly condemns polygamy. The Bible shows that polygamy is not a good thing for it was polygamy that Abraham’s family was broken and the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael fight to this day (Jews and Muslims.) And it was polygamy that broke the house of David and split the kingdom under Solomon.
  
  3) Jesus himself says that no one is married or given in marriage in the Resurrection. This directly contradicts the teachings on “Eternal Marriage” by the Mormons.
  
  4) There is no consent. The first wife who died cannot give her consent to be eternally married to a man and share her husband for all eternity. I’ve known many Mormon women who are glad they don’t live under polygamy, but would resent it if they were forced into it. If a man were to remarry and be sealed for eternity to another woman, that would effectively force polygamy on the first wife – for all eternity.
  
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- LostInTheCosmos
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:21pm
  @GodWillPrevail: The problem I see with your position is that if Joseph Smith lied or was wrong about his plural marriages, how many other things did he get wrong? The very existence of the Book of Mormon is predicated on Joseph Smith’s character and we know it was flawed.
  
  The Book of Abraham is a good example of how good Joseph Smith is at translated ancient texts. Look it up how the original Book of Abraham was found in a museum and given back to the Mormon authorities who asked for an objective third party translation.
  
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- Xyskalla
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 1:03pm
  The official position of the Mormon church in Utah is that God gave another revelation to end the practice of polygamy. But as individuals, some Mormons don’t accept that, so they still practice it and risk excommunication.
  
  There are also a lot of Mormon sects not connected with the Utah group that either don’t believe that God retracted the polygamy command or don’t believe He ever ordered it in the first place. This is really ironic, since the very reason Joseph Smith supposedly had his original revelation from God in the first place is because he saw all these Christian denominations claiming they were right and saying the others were wrong, and he didn’t know which to join. Now look at all the splinter groups we have from Joseph Smith in less than 200 years. Looks to me like he made things worse, not better.
  
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rfycom
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:07am
That is why mormons are so successful? Sounds elitist to me. We know you are success created unimportant crap to talk about. Your real value to the world is nothing yet you take and you take and you take. Everything you do is for the dollar. Mitt, chased the dollar as well. Sure he created some good, but he created a lot of mysery for a lot of people to get his money. If we base our understanding of mormonism on you and Mitt, it would see your religion is all about the dollar. This is why mormons are so successful?????

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- contkmi
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:17am
  By your logic, Obama is a better man because everything he does is for socialism, not the dollar.
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:20am
  The President is not a socialist.
  
  That is a myth.
  
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- rfycom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:30am
  Yummy – stick your nose in that Mormon ass and smell the magic. At least with Barry I know what I am getting. Mormons sound like dollar hungry ruthless ****** to me.
- objectivetruth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:17am
  You are allowing the divisive tactics to win.All religions have sucessful people in them.As long as it isn’t because they are scamming their flocks it shouldn’t be an issue.Look some industries are built on sucess by someone elses loss/misery.It isn’t limited to mormonism mitt or beck.Unless the industry[individuals] is out to purposely destroy for profit it isn’t a moral or legal issue.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:05pm
  “…sounds elitist to me…” Don’t misquote. “…it’s ONE of the reasons that Mormons are so successful.” That’s Beck’s opinion and he is entitled to his own opinion, as you are yours.
  
  However, is it all that surprising that having experienced personal failure, work, risk, reward, society, self-governance, and discipline while creating confidence and understanding at a young age would help someone be successful in other areas of life? Mormons don’t have a monopoly on that by any means.
  
  It’s not like Beck is saying that LDS members are superior, or that the rest of the U.S. populace are ignorant failures. I know plenty of LDS failures and non LDS successes. Instead of looking for excuses to justify bigotry, appreciate what good there is around and use it to inspire.
  
  I’m LDS and I do not make $$$$$$$$$$. I am around median income for the US. I also respect and look up to many non LDS people who are giants among men. I don’t call them elitist, I call them successful and smart. I agree with the base anti-elitist argument, but don’t take it too far and elect another bankrupt, pot-smoking, tax-dodging, property-thieving, back-stabbing, embezzling, lying, sycophant, communist-puppet administration because you think someone successful might get the job.
  …cuz that would be stupid. ;-)
  
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FaceSupplements
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:07am
Hey Glenn,
You forgot to talk about the best parts of Mormonism. For instance, how you will have your throat slit and your intestines cut out if you speak of what takes place in the temple. Now I know some of you all are going to say, “well that is the way it used to be.” It may not be worded that exact way, but it is still very understood.

Also, you forgot to talk about the Mountain Meadows Massacre where Brigham Young, and others, killed 140 people and tried to make it look like the Indians did it. I wonder if that is why there was so much “persecution” toward the Mormons?

I also find it funny that Mormons try to call themselves Christians, when in fact the mock Christian Pastors by calling them Instruments of Satan and call Christians lazy (not that I don’t agree with the lazy comment).

Maybe next time you can talk about the Quakers that live on the moon and sun that Joseph Smith was so found of talking about, or how people of colored skin are people of the curse.

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- frauam
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:23am
  You are a very hateful person. Why do you feel the need to attack a good, faithful, God fearing group of people who serve the Lord, and their fellow citizens??
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:32am
  The truth is sometime uncomfortable, but it is not hate.
  
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- Coelitus
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:38am
  Not a single thing you have just said is true. You really have no idea for yourself, but rather what someone has told you about the LDS faith.
  
  16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
  
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- hjbones
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:01am
  @MaryBethElizabeth Too bad it’s not the truth…
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:08am
  @hj
  
  What isnt true? The only thing I found that was incorrect was I believe it was Brigham Young who spoke of men living on the moon and the sun. Smith may have also said that, but I for sure have seen the quotes from Young.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:22am
  Brigham Young also set up a commune with 400 families besides taking the “blood atonement” literally.
  
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TelepromoterNChief
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:06am
I’m a Mormon.
It comes with much regret that I inform you ((takes deep breath)) I have no horns.
Believe me, it sucks.
I wanted horns.

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- rfycom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:39am
  But as a Mormon you should be very successful like Beck says. Otherwise you would be a filed Mormon. Let’s just say you are a successful Mormon. Buy yourself some horns baby doll.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:27pm
  @RY
  
  dude… I’M supposed to be bitter… why the hate?
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:04pm
  Horns are cool!!! LOL!
  
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curmudgeon60
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:03am
We must remove Obama from office–this discussion must not divide us!
“Come now, and let us reason TOGETHER, saith the Lord;” Isaiah 1:18

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theye
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:03am
In response to the “babtism of dead saints” all GB said was, if you read the bible, its in Corinthians. That is not a reference I can work with Glen. How about a specific verse? Anybody? Anybody? What is the specific verse in Corinthians that says it honoring to God to babtise a dead saint? I cant find it.

Why cant the mormons use the original version of the bible, doesnt that make them a cult if they cant use the most commonly transcribed version of Gods word?

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- Conserving Ink
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:20am
  Corinthians 15:29
  
  29 Else what shall they do which are baptized bfor the dead, if the dead crise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
  
  Paul was reminding some Christians who had started to disbelieve the Resurrection that if there was no Resurrection then the true practice of baptism for the dead was a waste of time.
  
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- pzign
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:23am
  1 Corinthians 15:29
  Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
  
  The Mormons do use a more “original” version of the bible. They use the King James version of the Bible. The version compiled by King James in the early 1600′s. Why? Because it is believed to have had the least number of translations. When the bible is translated into modern English often times the original meaning is slightly changed or altered.
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:23am
  KJV Corinthians 15:29
  “Else what shall they do which baptize the dead if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized by the dead?”
  
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- Juniemoon
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:57am
  it was about pagans baptising dead.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:15am
  Typical Mormon retorts using just a part of it and not looking at the whole context of what was being written.
  
  http://www.watchman.org/lds/baptdead.htm
  
  The entire fifteenth chapter of 1 Corinthians deals with the resurrection. False teachers had infiltrated the church at Corinth, teaching “that there is no resurrection of the dead,” (vs. 13).
  
  Paul had stated that the heart of the gospel was Christ’s resurrection (vs. 1-14). Christ died on the cross for man’s sins, was buried, and that he rose again the third day.
  
  To be saved one must turn from their sins and trust in, or “keep in memory” Christ’s work on their behalf. Christ’s historical death, burial and resurrection is the gospel.
  
  But there were cultic leaders at Corinth that believed and taught that there was no resurrection. The whole chapter is devoted to reasons why this is a false teaching.
  
  Reason #1: There were eye witnesses of Christ’s resurrection (15:5-7);
  
  Reason #2: If there is no resurrection, Christ has not risen (15:13, 16);
  
  Reason #3: If there is no resurrection, Paul’s preaching is in vain (15:14);
  
  Reason #4: If there is no resurrection, their faith was in vain (15:14);
  
  Reason #5: If there is no resurrection, Paul and the other apostles were false witnesses (15:15);
  
  Reason #6: If there is no resurrection, the Corinthian Christians were still lost in their sins (15:17);
  
  Reason #7: If there is no resurrection, all who have died trusting Christ have perished (15:18).
  
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- BIM-master
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:15am
  Couldn’t be the Pagans. They did not believe in the resurrection of Christ or that others would be resurrected because of Christ.
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:25pm
  @mutiny,
  You forgot a reason Paul uses to prove the resurrection… baptism for the dead. Thanks for providing good context.
  
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GlennaBeckski
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:00am
I really can’t say that I have personally known any LDS… But I am curious why the LDS Church rejects the use of the cross as a religious symbol and why they would adopt symbols used by the Masons and Satanists?

While they do seem to be extremely moral, wonderful people… I think I will just adhere to my Christian faith.

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- Conserving Ink
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:14am
  It is because we celebrate the resurrection of Christ, not the death. We recognize that most Christians use the cross to symbolize their faith and have no problem with this – it is sacred to them and that’s a good thing. We simply make a conscious effort to focus on the Resurrected Christ.
  
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- supercapo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:22am
  Mormon’s have nothing against the sign of the cross. We just simply don’t believe in having an official symbol. The closest we have to something like that would be the Angel Maroni and that’s not even something we would consider official.
  
  For Mormons we also prefer to emphasis Christ’s life, Message, and Resurrection rather than the symbol of his death. And on another level we don’t use the cross because it can sometimes feel like a form of idolatry. i.e. people kneeling before it, praying to it. In a nutshell, we prefer to focus our faith directly on God and Jesus rather than symbols.
  
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- idarusskie
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:27am
  I think the use or non use of the cross is tradition more then anything. if people started putting a fish on their church (any church)what would people think?
  
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- BrutalTruth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:46am
  That’s interesting Ink, but the resurrection doesn’t save. Without His shedding blood, how exactly does resurrection have any meaning?
  
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- SacredHonor1776
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:32am
  Actually, if you look at history, and history of religions.
  
  The Latin Cross technically was originally a pagan symbol… You can find it in religions that predate christianity by centuries… in locations all over the world. Some versions of this evolved in the ‘swastika’ design found in many cultures around the world, including Native Americans, and in India, and Asia. While egyptians had the Ankh (crux ansata). The norse traditions had Thor’s Hammer (which resembles an upside-down cross)
  
  Roman ‘crucifixition” was done in many different ways, including on ‘broken crosses” (More of a Y-shaped cross), simple poles (crux simplex), or even physical trees, and even crosses that resemble the Latin Cross. The bible does not actually describe what type of cross Jesus was hung from.
  
  It is highly possible that later christians adopted the the Latin Cross as a symbol from pagan traditions.
  
  Early christians were known to use the Icthus fish their symbol.
  
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- noluck_99
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:53am
  I still can’t understand why the resurrection is so much a part of the LDS faith. All it accomplished was for everyone to have an “eternal life”. Yet….if we all begin as spirits…don’t we already have eternal life? The LDS faith is not about what Jesus did..but what we do. We control our paths to become gods…..like the god who rules over this universe….who was once a man….perfected. Jesus had NOTHING to do with this god becoming god…..so why is it important for us?
  
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- crawdad
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:05am
  Jesus’ resurrection opened the way for us to be spiritually resurrected. The cross was Satan’s victory – he took the physical life of God’s only Son – the Son that God had sent to a people prepared for 2000 years to accept and believe in. “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (John 6:29). And, “none of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory” (1 Cor 2:8). The idea that Jesus’ mission was, from the start, to die on the cross, only came about after His death. An explanation was necessary for the premature, perplexing death of the Messiah. Jesus himself doesn’t talk about His crucifixion until after the Mount of Transfiguration. It was apparent by then that the people were not going to accept Jesus as Messiah. Even John the Baptist expressed his disbelief (Luke 7:18). Without that foundation of faith in Jesus, the secondary or alternate course of the cross was unavoidable. God’s victory was the resurrection, not the cross.
  With respect to the Mormon religion, I will not judge another man’s faith. I can only hope that the faithful can unite to battle the evil that separates us all from God. And when the “new wine” is poured again, that we are not so full of ourselves and our religious dogma, that we again reject and crucify the Lord of Glory.
  
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- Stourme
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:03pm
  Because we don’t believe in persecuting vampires……
  
  ….what?
  
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- bornbitter
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:12pm
  @stourme
  Best. Response. Ever. Seriously.
  
  LDS don’t use the cross as we feel it focuses too much on death. The atonement and death of Christ is celebrated and cherished as the greatest triumph over evil, yes, but we prefer to focus on the resurrected Christ as a symbol of his victory and our hope and promise of rebirth and eternal live with him through his atonement. Death has been conquered, why dwell on it? Simply a different point of view, and I do not look down on the cross as a symbol at all; many faithful use it as a symbol and reminder of the atonement of Christ and it is good to view and remember. The resurrected Christ is the same symbol to me.
  
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- tarajunky
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:14pm
  Our wonderful neighbors gave our first child a decorative cross as a gift, and we hung it up in our home. He wore a cross on a chain around his neck ever since I knew him. We have nothing AGAINST the cross as a symbol.
  
  We would hold parties with our “Mormon friends” and invite our neighbors, who would bring wine to drink. Nobody was offended at any of that. My boss would give everyone a bottle of wine for Christmas, I would give it away to someone else who would drink it. I didn’t trash the bottle or feel slighted because I don’t drink.
  
  I don’t force my standards onto other people, I’m happy to coexist with them and respect their beliefs. If I don’t choose to wear a cross, don’t judge me for it, and I won’t judge you for drinking coffee.
  
  The people I respect most are those who understand what they believe and do their very best to live it. I drink caffeine, other Mormons don’t. I don’t think it’s a sin to drink caffeine, but if they do believe that for themselves and live by that standard, GREAT! More power to them.
  
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- MeOnTheBeach
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:45pm
  @Stourme
  
  ROFL!! That response made my day!
  
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BobMc
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:59am
When it is know and felt from an inward reality that GOD is not found in the teaching but in the faith that rides the teaching, all these find there proper place.

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curmudgeon60
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:58am
I think this show was a BAD idea. Looking at all the comments on the other page regarding this story–I believe it was divisive, and we must remain united to remove Obama from office. I’m a Christian who sees flaws in Mormonism-but I WILL vote for a Decent man who loves this country as patriots know it!
Isaiah 1:18 “Come now,and let us REASON TOGETHER, saith the Lord;”

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woodyee
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:41am
I’ve never been a Mormon, but from what I’ve seen of the Mormon faithful in action, leads me to favor them over the hypocrisy I’ve seen in others, to include one which is demonic.

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LameLiberals
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:41am
Bottom line

Neither Mormons or Muslims are Christians. Their religions were started well after Christianity. Both believe the bible is a good book but their doctrine and covenants/Book of Mormon and the Koran are the REAL books in their religions.

Neither Mormons nor Muslims founded our country. Our country will fail. It is just a matter of time.

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- frauam
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:49am
  Do you know what a CHRISTian is??? Mormons belong to a church called : The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints…..I’m sure you wouldn’t appreciate someone telling you what you are and what you believe.
  
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- javasport
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:53am
  Then by your logic, 7th day Adventists, Pentecostals, and Unification church members are all not Christian too as they were founded after the LDS church was established. What date do you reference as the established Christianity date? 300 ad? Then you have to throw out all christian religions after the catholic church.
  
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- PeppermintCrush
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:59am
  Stop. Just.. STOP. Are we going to waste time picking at each other’s beliefs or are we going to pull together and save this nation? No one is asking you to believe as the Mormons believe. No one is asking you to accept those beliefs for yourself. But can you at LEAST accept that others are free to believe as they want? When you are picking at the Mormons, you sound exactly like those “Lame Liberals.” Is that who you really are? Search your soul, I don’t think that’s who you really are. I think you are better than that….
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:59am
  Oh what pray tell is your learned definition of a Christian? Most accept it to mean adherents to the teachings and followers of Jesus Christ, believing that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, that no man comes to the Father but by Him. Since that is what the first article of faith for the LDS church, is I would have to say that makes them Christians. (Mark 9:38-40)
  
  The same belief held by Catholics, Baptists,Methodists, Copts, etc..
  
  There is one Church and one Shepherd (John 10:16)
  
  We are to keep the unity of the Church. In one of his last recorded prayers, Jesus prayed for His followers to preserve unity, not build it, keep it (John 17:20-23)
  
  I am sure our Heavenly Father is none to thrilled with the fighting and discourse going on with His children.
  
  If we can’t show love and grace to our brothers and sisters in Christ, how are we to show it to those waiting to be adopted?
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:00am
  The Bible is held in equal reverence as the Book of Mormon in the eyes of the LDS church. It is a filthy myth that the Bible is considered to be a subservient book.
  
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- Stoic one
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:10am
  that is one of the lamest critiques of any religion i have ever heard.
  
  so are you a liberal or just lame? intolerance certainly seems to be your game. and that is a LAME life style.
  
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- rfycom
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:20am
  You can’t pick on Barry and question his faith and his origin and not equally question a Mormon in office. Be fair. After reading this article from Beck I am changing my vote to Obama. My favorite quote from Beck” “This is why Mormons are so successful.” Elitist!!!!!!. Beck and Mitt both have a do anything attitude to make money. Beck delvers no value to the world and makes millions. If there is nothing in the media to discuss, he makes **** up to talk about. Mitt choose the most ruthless way a business person can make money. Bain made money with a high degree of chance at ruining others. It was ok. It was for the church. This is why Mormons are so successful. Making money any way possible cause it goes to the church and that make it ok. Not my God. He does not condone that. Jesus save us all.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:24am
  @javasport
  You must not post factually incorrect information. The thing is, those religions do not have their own bible which they hold in near equal footing to the Bible. The entire protestant movement started long after the bible was written but they were not adding new scriptures or books.
  
  There is no “book of 7th day adventists” or “book of pentacostal”
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:31am
  Bottom line The LDS Church does not believe in a triune God.
  
  They are not Christians.
  
  Some Satanists believe in the Bible too.
  Just because they open up Bibles and misinterpret scripture to practice baptism of the dead and who knows what else in their temples, doesn’t make them Christians.
  
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- cloudmcrain
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:33am
  Hey lame… Try practicing a little Christianity and stop being such a hater. A Christian is a believer in Christ and his teachings. Mormons believe in Christ and his teachings. Just because their beliefs might be a little different than yours doesn’t give you the right to say they are not Christians. Christ didn’t teach us to be intolerant and cold hearted… Why are you? Are you even Christian? If so, you’ve missed some very important teachings.
  
  When Christians can’t even stop hating other Christians… We’re lost. I wonder if Christ will turn you away for not being Christian.
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:35am
  frauam
  Enough. You don’t believe in the Deity of Christ any more than a Jew or Muslim does. Without acknowledging Christ as God ( a Triune God), you’re not Christian…no matter how well you sugar coat it, you’re not Christian. That’s fine though, be a good Mormon and quit tryin to tell people you are something you are not.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Gonzo, stop lying. This should have been another myth that Beck set straight – Mormons absolutely believe in the deity of Christ. And just because we don’t acknowledge a doctrine that was made up by a 4th century pagan doesn’t disqualify us from being Christian.
  
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Vegasdad702
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:38am
My Mormon friends are the best, kindest, most moral, and generous people I know. This was a great episode. I sure wish Mr. Beck would have addressed the southpark episode and claims made in that stupid cartoon. More damage and quotes about Mormonism have been brought up to me by friends who watched that then ANY other source. You should see what southpark did to scientology! Anyway, I really hope the bigotry that fallows the Mormon religion goes away after this. Im sure it won’t but I FINALLY have some intelligent talking points to support this group of decent people to my idiot friends who have based their whole knowledge of Mormonism off of a silly cartoon!

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- Nlitend1
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:37am
  The episode you speak of was 100% correct though, and it’s message was actually very positive…mormons are good, moral people with wonderful families and amazing tolerance to being disliked for their beliefs. If you think the truth about mormonism is beyond criticism, that can be your opinion, and if other people see the truth about it and laugh at it or hate it, that is alright too. But, maybe you should try and distinguish between these things, because to criticize or make light of something is not the same thing as to hate it. You seem to be tone deaf in your assessment–that is a critique not hate:)
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:50am
  Your not very bright kid. Did you read what I wrote? If you had any understanding of pop culture the you would see the irony in the fact that most people have their entire opinion about the Mormon religion based on a cartoon. Its okay, read it again slow and it might click for ya buddy. thanks pal, your awesome. :) God Bless. :) :)
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:36am
  You know I forgot to mention as I read your comment I heard the same music from the southpark episode ringing in my head- “Dumb,dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!” “Joseph Smith Dumb!”"NLITEND1 DUMB, DUMB, DUMB,DUMB,DUMB!” LOL thats real funny, but don’t worry man its positive just like your enlightening comments reflected the southpark episode was concerning the Mormon religion. And HEY, if you like it or don’t thats okay, just like you pointed out which is so not obvious for us unenlightened folks that don’t understand satire. LOL. Oh man, that really was funny. I usually don’t feed into silly stuff like this, but im sorry man you made it to easy. Tell me did you ever see the SMUG episode?? You should watch that one as it would be GREAT for you to like it or not like it and thats okay. Hahahahahahaha!!!
  
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- DeavonReye
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:05am
  Vegasdad, is this how you operate? One person posts to your post about that episode and you belittle them with personal attacks? If that is your way of shrugging off the “seer stone, plates, and Smith being the only one to see them”, and the whole Jackson County Missouri thing? I’d never state that a cartoon got everything right, but I was hoping Glenn WOULD address some of these issues because people who DON’T know about Mormon history will surely believe the cartoon. If it isn’t addressed, then a person has to wonder IF “it couldn’t be logically addressed and dispelled”.
  
  So, if you’re going to speak for Mormonism, . . . fine. Do so. But lay off the personal attacks. If you can do that AND address points, it makes YOUR point seem more valid.
  
  I respected the way Glenn handled the few issues he did. Your turn!
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:32pm
  No your absolutely right. I came off very rude, and that wasn’t my initial intent. Also I am in NO WAY speaking for Mormonism or Mormons. Like Skippy if you had read my FIRST post you would have discovered that I WISHED Mr. BECK HAD ADDRESSED THE SOUTHPARK EPISODE! Man, do people READ whats written on here, or instantly look for sarcasm and fights??? I NEVER sink to a level of personal attack, and I am NO BETTER than any one else on here who does that crap, with my second and third post. I had a moment of frustration with the obnoxious consistency of negativity I read on these threads. ANYWAY, IF you had seen the southpark episode than you would know the DUMB.DUMB,DUMB thing was the song that played in the background during the episode in which Southpark attempts to define MORMONISM. So for Skippy to make the foolish statements that it wasn’t mean, and was entirely accurate, was the set up for my response to him. Which was basically a reflection of the episode. GUESS IT WAS MEAN AND OFFENSIVE, HUH??? WOW man, I never claimed to be all that smart but its frustrating explaining the obvious to haters. It brings me down as a person. Look God Bless, YOU, the Nlitend1 fellow, and God Bless the Mormons. I am nobody to judge anyone else. I wish you all lots of love and success in this life. Good Day! :)
  
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- Vegasdad702
  Posted on September 12, 2012 at 6:48am
  @Deavonreye and Nlitend1- I know this is a bit late, and am uncertain if you will even get to read this, but I owe you both an apology. I am very sorry. I came off rude, and insulting, and even my first comment was foolish and unlike me or the standard I hold myself to. I usually go out of my way to tell people to be kind and love each other and unite, and here I am calling names and acting very foolish. It has bugged me for a few days, and regardless, Deavonreye your question of “is this how you operate?”, really stuck with me. NO IT ISN”T, and I was out of line, and im sorry. I thank you for bringing my words to my attention, it was a good thing, it worked. Sometimes I feel like these blogs can be so mean and rude, and I did what I try to avoid, and thats say rude and foolish remarks. I hope somehow you see this, but if not, than hopefully the next guy you call on their rudeness, will be quicker to get it together than I was. Thank you BOTH very much, and have a beautiful day. God Bless. :) :) :)
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:31am
Can a mormon poster explain how the Book of Mormon came about? How is it that the Book of Mormon is almost as long as the Bible – but yet I am told there are no conflictions. Do the Mormons acknowledge the Bible as supreme, or is it the other way around (dont tell me they are equal cuz we know that cannot be the case)?

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- frauam
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:43am
  Go to lds.org you’ll find answers to all your Mormon questions there.
  
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- javasport
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:47am
  Are the writings is Isaiah greater than the writings of Paul? How would you rate Luke compared to John in importance? Both books purport to be writings of prophets or apostles called of God. How would you judge either as more supreme? Either they are or they are not but unless you read them and desire to know their truth, you will never know.
  
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- loriann12
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:51am
  The Book of Mormon is not as long as the Bible. It’s about the size of a new testament. I bought one for 49 cents at the thrift store, just so I could read it and compare to my faith. I’m not very far into it, though to tell you the differences.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:14am
  @javasport
  Paul, John, and Luke were written around the same time and are not conflicting
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:19am
  @Soy,
  The Book of Mormon is a historical record of a small group of people who populated the North American Continent between 2000 B.C. and about 400 A.D. The prophet Joseph Smith translated the record from plates made of gold that were given to him by a heavenly messenger.
  This record details the spiritual teachings of the prophets who led these people much like the Old Testament details the teachings of the ancient prophets in and around Jerusalem. The crowning event in the Book of Mormon details the visit of Jesus Christ to the Americas after his ascension. The reason that there are no conflictions with the Bible is because they both teach the doctrine of Christ. The books are considered equal to us though many Mormons enjoy studying the Book of Mormon because of it’s narrative type writing.
  Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is a “second witness” to the teachings of the Bible and as such , it offers us some clarifications and further understanding about the Doctrine of Christ.
  Hope that helps. To learn more please go to LDS.org
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:30am
  @PGMike
  Thanks for that. I will not be going to lds.org as i do not want propaganda. I would rather know from real people
  
  What is the Mormon take on what happend between 400 AD to 1800 AD?
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:50am
  @Soy,
  The closing chapters of the Book of Mormon describe a terrible war in which the descendants of the followers of Christ are destroyed by their enemies. Their cities are burned and their culture is destroyed. The last of the righteous prophet historians died sometime after 421 A.D. He deposited the abridged records in upstate New York and later returned to show Joseph Smith where they were hidden.
  Murals at Chitzen Itza Mexico depict a war between light and dark skinned people (as described in the Book of Mormon) and the temple at Chitzen Itza was built to celebrate the date of April 6th, the date Mormons believe Christ was born.
  There is no surviving record of what happened between 400 and 1800 AD. I do know that a Catholic priest supervised the destruction of volumes and volumes of records maintained by the Mayans and Aztecs. He thought they taught heretical teachings.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:27am
  @pg
  
  That must have been a hell of a war. I mean it completely destroyed without a trace massive cities, roads, machinery, metal swords, grapes, wheat, barley, elephants, silk, and horses. The war was so bad it changed the DNA of the people who were left here in the Americas afterwards.
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:31am
  @Mutiny
  Actually they are still uncovering massive cities and roads from mesoamerica. I have personally seen depictions of horses (packs, bridles, etc) on stone carvings at Chizen Itza. The temple ruins at Tulum have remarkable references to God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. Murals at Chizen Itza and other sites depict massive battles between light and dark skinned armies as suggested in the Book of Mormon. Anyone who studies these things with an open mind will find much evidence. It is only those who have their minds made up that fail to see the evidences. Just Google Book of Mormon evidence and you will find many websites dedicated to debunking your claims.
  
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- soybomb315
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:57am
  @PGMike
  God created man, including the natives, in His image. Therefore, every human being has a spiritual nature. It should not be a surprise to anybody if God had ministered to the natives in his own way. It doesn’t take a whole new theology to try to explain this, just an open mind (not saying that’s what Mormonism is did). Obviously, the fulfillment of God’s prophecy is that these same peoples would eventually learn about Jesus and the Bible.
  
  I really appreciate your honesty and for enlightening me on this subject.
  
  Peace
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:39pm
  @ soy – you continue to impress by searching for a ‘mormon’ answer from a ‘mormon’… also, PGmike… you’re awesome for taking the time to answer soy’s questions so well!
  
  @ mutiny – see how soy can ask questions to understand what we believe without demeaning our beliefs – even if he disagrees?
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:46pm
  @pg
  
  Link please. I have read many studies, even one done by archaeologist from BYU that have come up empty. Civilizations like the ones described BOM do not disappear. There would be plenty of trace evidence found from that time period just as it is from around the global.
  
  I dont believe the Mormon faith to be false because of the lack of archaeological evidence, I just think it complements the proof the faith was created by Satan to trick humans away from being true followers of the Jesus Christ and God of the Bible.
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:00pm
  @Mutiny
  Sorry Mutiny. I do not have a link. I visited the sites on two separate occasions and looked at the murals and stone carvings myself. The visitors center at Chitzen Itza clearly depicts Book of Mormon themes if you know what you are looking for. Light and dark skinned armies in battle, light skinned slaved serving the dark skinned masters, depictions of the Great White God descending. Again, Google “Book of Mormon evidence” and you will find lots of links
  
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- PGMike
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:03pm
  @P8triot and Soy,
  I am happy to take the time to answer questions that are honestly asked with respect. Thanks for the entertaining morning. Off to work
  
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- tarajunky
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:36pm
  @Mutiny, the Book of Mormon states that there were other cultures in North America before and during the time described, and that these cultures biologically intermingled extensively. Genetic analysis of modern Native Americans has been done, but unless you understand the details of the studies it’s hard to interpret them. First of all, it is well known that Europeans intermingled with Native Americans since Columbus discovered the New World. So, part of the analysis involved weeding out “European” DNA, since it was considered to be modern contamination.
  
  So, if you’re looking for non-Native American DNA, and throw out anything that doesn’t look like authentic Native American DNA as “modern contamination”, what conclusions can you draw?
  
  As I said before there was extensive interbreeding anciently as well, and since most such analyses only look at mitochondrial DNA inherited from the mother, there were many, many opportunities for any “Israelite” DNA to be lost. Especially when the narrative culminates in much of the remanants of the population being destroyed.
  
  There are plenty of world-class human geneticists who also happen to be Mormons, understand the limitations and flaws of genetic analysis, and believe that the BoM is a true record of people who migrated to North America in the way it describe.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:22am
I have known many mormon families and preachers over my years as a chaplain; mind you I am not a mormon nor will follow their faith, but the convictions they hold for their beliefs are solid to them as for anyone elses choices in life – they attempt to live what they preach.

I follow no particular denomination anymore and try to live the life of the good book and how Jesus and God will have me to do (up front, I expect to get it wrong more than right most days; they help me learn what not to do again, in additon to helping avoid doing it again by HIS grace and guidance).

Ultimately in the end what matters is this:

Are you in a saving relationship with God and Jesus.
How are you conducting your life as the Father and Son will have and guide you in doing.

That fairly well sums it up.

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- PeppermintCrush
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:43am
  @Snow: You just hit the nail right on the head my friend. Thank you.
  
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- Juniemoon
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:26am
  Jesus is God, Emmanuel “God with us” none but one God, he’s also the ever lasting father, mighty God, the King, the lamb, he was the rock that led the Hebrews, he was the pillar of fire, he made all things, nothing was not made without him. He came in the form of man, God is a Spirit, his temple is the body of Christ, it is in that body that he dwelled and purchased the church wiith his on blood, he siad there were no gods formed before him, or after him.
  
  Baptism of the dead was a practice the pagans were doing, not the Apostles, Glenn. You’re Mormon temple is not biblical, only the temple in Israel with the Aaronic priesthood was legit. I dare say not one Mormon among you has lineage to the Levitical priesthood and since it is not in Isral,, yourr rituas are maan made.
  
  I would like to hear you explain how a Spirit is having sex in the Temple when a Priest or anyone else could not enter into it unless he first had a mikvah to cleanse his flesh before entering in. Semen is unclean, God dwells inside the temple and nothing unclean can enter into his presence. On earth as it is in heaven means heaven holds the standard. God is not making spirit babies, and he isn’t appearing as an old man, unto pagans such as Joseph Smith with a new set of salvation rules for Gentiles.. We were grafted into him, not a separate pagan religion.
  
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- marybethelizabeth
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:41am
  The Nazis were solid in their beliefs too. They loved their children and families. They lived what they preached.
- P8riot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:55am
  Great post SNOW!
  
  I love it when people can disagree on doctrine yet still work to combine their similar values to make this a better place! Cudos.
  
  On another note, it’s sad when people can’t distinguish between the attributes of living a peaceful religion as opposed to Nazis.
  
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- JawaJam
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:56pm
  Full Disclosure I am LDS
  Snowleopard-
  Thanks for the positive post. I grew up with friends of a lot of faiths and while I disagree with them on certain points of doctrine I was always respectful of their beliefs because of how important they were to them.
  
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- lau
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:53pm
  @MaryElizabeth whatever…. Ha! You just lost the debate, argument or conversation. You LOSE! You evoked Godwin’s law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
  
  By your fruits ye shall know them. If you want to know if some person is good then look at what they do. All this bickering back and forth is just plain fruitless. Don’t feed the trolls! The point of the matter is this. Is Barak Hussein Obama good for the country? NO! Would Romney do better? He couldn’t do any worse and he has the chance given his leadership ability and talent to turn things around I think he will. However, I will not vote for a communist. I am voting for Romney.
  
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  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:15am
  What Mormons need is no positive reinforcement of their beliefs. They believe heresy and should be confronted. What they don’t need is ridicule. It is ok to think their faith ridiculous and challenge their lack of archaeological evidence for the grand claims in the Book of Mormon. But ridiculing their sincere beliefs is not speaking the truth in love.
  
  Mormons, you are being deceived. It is my duty to point out your error. The reaction I get from you makes it hard to reprove you in humility. You attack strawmen arguments like polygamy, the killing of Mormons, and magic underwear. You say challenges to your beliefs are mean, angry or hateful. You do so in order to ignore the glaring deficiencies of Mormonism. You won’t address the doctrine of exaltation or the nature of God. Your beliefs diminish the glory of God, turning him into a mere man in the eyes of everyone you talk to and I’m not supposed to challenge you?
  
  You Mormons use the same tactics liberals do: deflect by calling opponents racists, bigots, angry, hateful and then argue against strawmen.
  
  http://americancreed.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/nailing-jell-o-to-the-wall/
  
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