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Who Is Calling ‘BS’ on Obama for His Response on Drones?

Sep. 7, 2012 1:11pm
Analyst Calls Obama Out on Strict Drone Use Criteria While Former Navy SEAL Says President Said Enough

Predator B unmanned aircraft landing after a mission, at the Naval Air Station, in Corpus Christi, Texas. (Photo: AP/Eric Gay, File)

TheBlaze recently reported that a journalist for The American Conservative was promptly “thrown” out of the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday for asking White House adviser Valerie Jarrett about the Obama Administration’s drone use policy. That same evening, President Barack Obama speaking with CNN shed light on the rarely talked about criteria for launching a drone attack.

Now, Wired writes some experts are calling out Obama on his answers to CNN’s questions, while a military expert told TheBlaze his responses were appropriate.

First, Obama in the interview said the criteria for using drones is “is very tight and very strict.” Here are Obama’s answers for using the unmanned aerial vehicles in attacks (via the Bureau Investigates):

  1. “It has to be a target that is authorized by our laws.”
  2. “It has to be a threat that is serious and not speculative.”
  3. “It has to be a situation in which we can’t capture the individual before they move forward on some sort of operational plot against the United States.”
  4. “We’ve got to make sure that in whatever operations we conduct, we are very careful about avoiding civilian casualties.”
  5. “That while there is a legal justification for us to try and stop [American citizens] from carrying out plots… they are subject to the protections of the constitution and due process.”

Wired called at least two of these points “half-truths.” The ones it questions most specifically are 2, 3 and 5. Wired reports Micah Zenko, an analyst who has tracked the use of drones in wars for the Council on Foreign Relations, saying it is “simply not true” to say every drone launched in an attack was for “some operational plot against the United States.”

“The claim that the 3,000+ people killed in roughly 375 nonbattlefield targeted killings were all engaged in actual operational plots against the U.S. defies any understanding of the scope of what America has been doing for the past ten years,” Zenko said in an email to Wired.

Zenko also takes issue with Obama clarifying at the beginning of the interview that he needed to be “careful” with what he said since some information is “classified.” To this, Wired writes:

But, as Zenko notes, “that is total BS. The president has the authority to declassify anything. That authority was reaffirmed by the White House in one of its first executive orders,” issued in 2009. If the president felt like talking about the drone approval process, he could. Obama doesn’t have to leave the discussion up to unnamed officials, former subordinates, and authored leakers. He chooses to do so, presumably because the issues involved are so thorny.

Siding with Obama protecting classified information, Brandon Webb, a former Navy SEAL and editor-in-chief of SOFREP.com, said in an email to TheBlaze that since drone strikes include sensitive intelligence collection, providing too many details could give the enemy an advantage.

“Some things are better left unsaid,” Webb wrote.

With regard to Obama’s criteria as a whole, Webb told TheBlaze Obama laid everything out in plain language and “anything further would be too much.”

“The administration is under the microscope already for sensitive information leaks, I think they are going to have to walk a very thin line in the future,” he said.

Still, it is with regard to Constitutional rights that Webb says Americans need to be wary. With Congress tasking the Federal Aviation Administration to update its drone regulations to open up the sky further for military, commercial and private UAVs, discussion of the technology’s use above American soil has been a strong topic in the media and among civil liberties advocates of late.

“The larger concern I have as an American citizen is total lack of privacy,” Webb wrote. “Example: using drones to collect intelligence on American soil and on American citizens (already happening in some cases) in the name of homeland defense. We are becoming more Orwellian as a society by the day and it bothers me. American citizens need to vigorously band together to protect our constitutional rights or face a future of living in a government fishbowl where everything is monitored.”

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Comments (93)

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  • Larry E
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:15pm

    I’m just waiting for the first domestic “terrorist” to be taken out along with their family and a few friends for saying things that Glorious Leader doesn’t appreciate. That will likely be considered terrorism should he be reelected. But only after a thorough investigation by Homeland Security and TSA I’m sure.

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  • chips1
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:38pm

    If the policy was that tight and that strict, why does Obama know about it? Someone is leaking top secret info to the Brotherhood. I demand an investigation. Hey! Holder! Your not doing anything. GET BUSY!!!!

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    • devildogger
      Posted on September 9, 2012 at 4:37pm

      No, he is busy. Busy trying to keep his ass out of jail. Btw, whatever happened to to his being charged with contempt of Congress?

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  • resme
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:39pm

    Only 60 Comments…. Mormon myth article has 650 comments, lol.

    I guess everyone thinks “I’m innocent, I got nothing to hide”.

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:29am

      During the Bush administration, i heard nothing but “if you aint got nothing to hide then you aint got nothing to worry about”. That mentality has dreadful consequences. All of the powers, much of which were unconstitutional, that the American people let Bush have, without question, have now transfered to the Obama administration and those powers will transfer to the next administration and the next administration and so on and so on. We were told that the patriot act would only be used on terrorists. It is now being used on the American people. Drones flying in our skies? That is not the America that i grew up with.
      And now all of the unconstitutional powers that the American people let Obama get away with (NDAA, executing citizens without due process) are going to be passed to the next administration and the next and so on and so on. I have two very young children for whom my heart aches at the thought of what their America will look like.
      1984 is right around the corner!

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  • libertytrain
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:52pm

    Is Mittens planning on stopping or lessening drone attacks? Would you neo cons be ok with Russia flying drones over Ohio in order to target terrorists who are a threat to Russia? Acts of war beget acts of war. Some countries use drones, troops, sanctions and embargoes, others use terror. Liberty means nothing to most of you sheeple, joyfully being scanned and groped while supporting politicians who have no intention of restoring your privacy nor that same idea called Liberty. Obama is a Communist, I get that, but we aren’t going to regain our Freedoms and restore our reputation as a great country if we can flippantly ignore violent or oppressive acts done in our name and with our borrowed money.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:35pm

      How do you know Russians are not flying armed drowns over Ohio? How do you know UN peace keepers are not flying drowns over the US? You don’t know but you should know that Russian ballistic submarines are now patrolling the Gulf of Mexico and Russia has returned its land based nuclear missals to Cuba.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:39pm

      What’s a Neocon?

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    • dissentnow
      Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:01pm

      A neocon is a liberal who supports nationalism, foreign interventionism, and, occasionally, the free market.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on September 9, 2012 at 7:12pm

      @ 13th Imam
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:39pm

      What’s a Neocon?
      ***
      Modern Use definition seems to be “You idiots that just don’t agree with us ‘Truly’ Wise Guys! (Specifically the Paulbots)”
      Definitely not the dictionary definition but most people who use it spurn dictionaries as tools of Nocon’s anyway!

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  • Meyvn
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:23pm

    This whole drone thing reeks with tyranny. I will consider (any and all) drones to be hostile in my neighborhood.

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  • TRILO
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:05pm

    People around the world do not hate America for our freedoms, they hate us because we have become the big bully of the world. There are multiple problems with the use of drones.

    1) There has not been a declared war.
    2) The United States has declared the world its battlefield, including the USA.
    3) We now openly and flagrantly violate the sovereignty of countries at our own will. Would it not be a declaration of war if Mexico, Russia, China, etc sent in drones to the USA to kill their citizens or American citizens, even if they were the worst of the worst.
    4) We now have a president and a small band of unelected officials deciding on the fate of American citizens without a warrant or without a trial in absolute violation of the constitution.
    5) Now the drone technology is being turned on & against the American people.

    This country has completely lost it’s moral compass all in the name of the war on terror. We have become a weak society that now relies on the government to take care of the vast majority of the people in return for the government seizing more and more power and usurping our constitutional freedoms and liberties.

    The US helped create Al Qaeda to fight Russia and we are still covertly giving them and other terrorist groups money & weapons to fight our proxy wars in places like Egypt, Libya, Syria, et al. We followed the philosophy of “The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend” but those friends usually turn the weapons and technology you gave them

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:34pm

      Ok Ron Paul…you lost..go home now….retire…go away…ShhshH…

      sorry but LISTEN to their words… the Islamic extremists of the world HATE and want to KILL us because we do not adhere to Sharia…a system of laws that RESTRICT freedoms that American’s view as God given….they have felt this way since the NAZI’s paired up with them in the 1930′s….BEFORE American was the “bully of the world” and still ISOLATIONIST like Ron Paul would want us to return to…

      SOOOOO….YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!

      Now the Commies and Socialist in China and Russia don’t like us because we STOP them from being the “bully of the world” just like we did in the Korean War…tried to do in Vietnam but that got to politically charged and turned into a CLUSTER…even though we won the war we lost the peace… and the same thing we did with Afghanistan that resulted in Ron Paul’s break with Reagan and his last 40 years of being a JERKOFF ….

      so yeah… GO AWAY and stop the crap about “it isn’t our freedoms they hate it is our foreign policy…” that it CRAP…they HATE because they HATE our way of life and our FREEDOMS and our God…that is it…get over yourself…

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:41pm

      VRW, you might want to wipe off that kool-aid mustache.

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    • muffythetuffy
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:37pm

      Homeland Security has declare the USA as a combat zone. Did you just come out from your rock? Why do you think so many of us are upset over what is happening?

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  • Brother Winston Smith
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:41pm

    UNCONSTITUTIONALLY using drones IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
    The UNCONSTITUTIONAL “Patriot” Act IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL NDAA IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
    UNCONSTITUTIONAL TSA IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.
    The UNCONSTITUTIONALLY police/surveillance state IS DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN.

    Rombama… Obamney… SAME THING.

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:34pm

    Thank GOD drones were not readily available for president G.W. Bush

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:18pm

      Sure they were. WE have been using them for a long. long time. They were there at the beginning of operations in Afghanistan. He just didn’t use them to the extent that Obama has used them.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:26pm

      “readily” available.

      And they have gotten more advanced and cheaper over the last few years. Also, the Air Force has pumped out A LOT more drone pilots over the last few years. This is an industry that has expanded multiple times over in recent years

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:24pm

    Since the government illegally no longer recognizes the Insurrection Act of 1807 and the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, those drones will come in handy in rounding up and killing US citizens.

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  • Lydia777
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:23pm

    What do Bill Clinton and Obama have in common?
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/#ooid=kyZjNlNDpQ776m7xPulaxuh45jPWqyRA

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    • chips1
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:49pm

      They both sleep with Oprah? Am I close?

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    • curmudgeon60
      Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:22pm

      This is a good link and explains why the head of the DEM party in St Joe Couty IN (South Bend/Mishawaka) & 3 others are on trial for forging signatures to get Obama and Hillary on the ballot in 2008!

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  • Lydia777
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:20pm

    Do we really want to go through Obama’s lies again? and again? and again?
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/#ooid=kyZjNlNDpQ776m7xPulaxuh45jPWqyRA

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:00pm

    Drones give the the government a perfect opportunity to advance their goals without the traditional costs. For example, they can use drones to kill people in other countries they dont like and they dont have to worry about a US body count. Also, the drones can be sacrificed or used to instigate a full-fledged war against another foreign nation.

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  • Oneirishman
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:59pm

    It’s a guarantee that if there are any secrets left after this clown is voted out, he will spill his guts just to further aggrandize himself. No class, no brains.

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  • republic2011
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:58pm

    open mouth = lies
    plain and simple

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  • WEBWITHDEB
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:54pm

    I am not a veteran, and certainly have not ever engaged in any combat, but it just seems to me that having drones drop bombs to kill people is one of the most cowardly things I can think of.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:03pm

      Deb, the same can be said of reaching out and touching one with a bullet. I thought that you might be concerned with item 5.

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    • NeverFalterNeverQuit
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:15pm

      I’m sorry, but this comment is just ridiculous and I can’t let it go. Using a drone as a mechanism of war is cowardly? First of all, war is supposed to be hell at best. It is supposed to be fought as ruthlessly as possible to bring the enemy to their knees as quickly as possible to bring about a peace and the end of this terrible thing we call war. Qualifying something as cowardly or brave shouldn’t be criteria for whether or not we use a weapon system. Lethality, survivability, and cost should be qualifiers, to name a few.

      But lets say we do want to qualify as cowardly or brave. Why do you call it cowardly? A drone is simply a weapons delivery platform. I assume you call it cowardly to use it because the operator isn’t in any danger when he employs it, right? Most artillerymen aren’t in any danger when they employ their weapon systems too. They never see the effects of the munitions they put down range. What about a helicopter pilot that engages insurgents? Often this is done from afar without the pilot himself being directly threatened. What about a tank crew, surrounded by 70 tons of armor and some of the most advanced fire control systems in the world.

      Using a drone or a helicopter, an artillery piece, or a tank limits the amount of risk our Soliders are exposed to. Does that make them cowardly? Does riding in heavily armored vehicles to prevent shrapnel from IEDs from ripping through their flesh make them cowardly?

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    • NeverFalterNeverQuit
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:17pm

      To finish my last thought (I ran out of space) – I don’t like the idea of drones being used on U.S. citizens. I don’t like the idea of drones being used to monitor U.S. citizens. But I wouldn’t call the Soldier who uses one a coward. It is an impliment of war and ought to be used as such. Having drones used on U.S. Citizens (for any means, lethal or intelligence gathering) is a completely different subject.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:26pm

      @Never,

      As a former GI, I agree with you. There is no chivalry in war. It’s no different than artillery.

      However, I think the key word in your post was “war”. We haven’t declared war. If we declare a war, define victory, and how to end hostilities then fine.

      But we don’t. We could not allow any people into our country from those that harbor jihadi’s. Problem solved. Billions back on the books and thousands still alive. But no, we have to spend for the military industrial complex. We have to nationbuild. This whole fantasy about the war on terror is simply ridiculous. That some 7th century rag head in a cave in Pakistan is going to kill me is just nonsense. Close up the border, screw political correctness and turn people away. Problem solved…unless Canada or Mexico invade.

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:23pm

      Neverfalter-
      Artillery men are at risk when they fire their weapons, they would be more so if we didn’t maintain air superiority. Drones have no risk to the operator, not even discomfort. They are effective, but impersonal tools that removes all sense of humanity and accountability from the warfighting experience. It is easy to pull the trigger when it seems like a video game.

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:40pm

      My “cowardly” comment refers to the one in charge, ordering such attacks. Ostensibly the soldier directing the drone is “eligible” to come under fire under the “rules” of engagement . . .

      “War”, or the Constitutional declaration of same, is another subject altogether.

      Thank you, Hidden Lion, for the visual: Obama’s impersonal video game-manship. How brave . . .

      Anyway, thank you for your service, to the bona fide brave servicepeople.

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  • Maxim Crux
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:41pm

    Obama does not have the authority to just de classify anything…although he is certainly doing that. It is called treason when giving up information to the enemy

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:43pm

      What if the enemy is US Citizens?

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    • taxpro4u03
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:56pm

      Yes, he does. See 12 United States Code Section 95(b) as amended; be sure to track its HISTORY from inception, up thru and including ‘today.’ — In the simplest of terms, in the most convenient definition: Corp USA Dictator :-)

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  • Moocephus
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:32pm

    My big problem with this ADMIN is their inability to do anything or say anything wrong…If anyaction is met with descent then the acuusers are met with labels or flat out told that what was said is NOT what was said rather “THIS” was said. Fact is I don’t mind drone strikes…drone the hell out of that country and get our men out now!

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  • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:28pm

    Again, if China were to follow those same 5 rules then we’d have no problem with them blowing up their version of terrorists? (Political Dissidents)

    How about Russians? So long as they are employing the Obama Drone Doctrine the sovereignty of US airspace is moot right?

    Furthermore, is there a rule about what countries we are going to blow people up in? Afghanistan? Fine. Anything-stan? Fine. China? India? Russia? Germany?

    Is US policy basically that we’ll fly drones anywhere we like provided that the places we do it at are too puny to fight back? We’ll blow up anybody we like…even Americans…without review or due process? The drone policy now has no end? We have no declaration of war and this process will continue without end?

    This is a moral black hole.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:52pm

      China,Russia and India’s ICBM’S will ensure that our drones won’t be operating in their air space.We can drone the camel dung eaters until the cows come home and it won’t make much difference in the long run.Our constitution loving government is using drones to spy on us now and the next step is to kill U.S citizens and they’ll gladly do it,why bother with a warrant,that’s so 1776 we have some killing that needs done and it’s fun to boot like a video game.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:09pm

      “5 rules”….

      Reminds me of the movie, ”I, Robot” with Will Smith. Didnt all the robots have “3 rules” or something like that? Of course, the machines always become a weapon to control the freedom of man. If government cant directly control you, they will do it with technology

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:33pm

      They don’t need to waste fuel using drones to spy on us, they can just use their pals over at Google, FaceBook, AT&T, Apple, etc. they can track us, see what we go to on the Internet, see where we go, what we buy.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:35pm

      LOL, Soy,

      I was thinking Robocop

      1.”Serve the public trust”
      2.”Protect the innocent”
      3.”Uphold the law”
      4.(Classified)

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  • justangry
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:25pm

    Dear government, Please take your drones and shove them where the sun don’t shine.

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  • soybomb315
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:24pm

    If you want to have a debate about drones, why don’t you get Mitt Romney or the republican party to start asking the questions. Otherwise, it is clear that Mitt Romney will have the same drone policy as Obama

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:30pm

      Well he’s already said he’s comfortable with NDAA and the indefinite detention of US Citizens without trial. Why would he not be comfortable with a fleet of drones blowing up nare-do-wells around the clock without declaration of war?

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    • hidden_lion
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:28pm

      Republicans sponsored the NDAA bill in the first place. Only three of the republicans retained their honor and voted against it.

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:20pm

    Maybe all the government purchased hollow points are for when people refuse to hand over their gold?

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    • Zipit
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:20pm

      For once, you may be right h20folk! And I’ll protect my gold with hollow points!!!!! And my family, and my neighbor, and his family, and our constitution. Need I continue?

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  • woodyee
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:20pm

    No. 5 is just outright unConstitutional.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:31pm

      What’s the constitution got to do with anything. Both parties have parted company from those shackles long ago. Now if you bring it up your just a kook.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:40pm

      Sir Rothbardian, do not surrender your precious Rights. It is important to point out, at EVERY instance, when the gobblement violates our laws and oaths of office. To fall into complacency, as you advocate with a touch of sarcasm, is to surrender your will to theirs. Nay! I say, Rothbardian, raise your sword on high and let the world hear “I, Rothbardian_In_the_Cleve, will NEVER allow the gobblement to take my Rights!”

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:49pm

      No, you’re a terrorist kook.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:03pm

      @Wood,

      LOL, Awesome!!1

      “Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;”

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  • watersRpeople
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:19pm

    Speaking of government fiat. What do you think: is the government building Case-Law, and slowly breaking the ice to confiscate all your gold and silver coins?
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/07/rare-double-eagle-coins-should-be-forfeited-to-us-judge/

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:35pm

      Remember that Roosevelt Tyrannus outlawed gold ownership in the ’30′s and all gold confiscated. The courts upheld the government’s right to do that several years ago. However, the story you linked to has nothing to do with that. At issue are $20 St. Gaudens pieces minted in 1933. All but one were believed to have been melted down, so the gobblement has good reason to believe that these TEN were stolen.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:36pm

      I don’t know why my mind would go there when after-all I think it was James Cameron who mentioned exploring asteroids for precious metals so I’m sure they will do that rather than confiscations.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:50pm

      Exactly, “the Gobblement” melted them down, and so they couldn’t be that precious if they wanted to melt them. The gobblement never lies about much bigger things – I’m sure is all honest and strait-forward even the dynamics of how they originally thought all but one was melted down. Weird, and if all of a sudden 10 appear it cheapens the value of the one surviving coin.

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:50pm

      How do they pay for such mining without funding it by confiscated precious metals?

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:52pm

      So when is the Sheriff coming to my door to get my gold? Too late I already sold it.

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:57pm

      Or they could make fresh water hard to come by and base money on fresh water? Hmm?

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:00pm

      Or they can label a type of tree rare wood, and base money on wood? Hmm….

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:03pm

      Yeah that’s it declare a certain wood rare and then make it a “Wooden Nickel.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooden_nickel

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    • watersRpeople
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:05pm

      And we could raid guitar manufactures to impress upon people just how special the wood really is.

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    • chips1
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:17pm

      Or we could declare BS a form of money, in which case, people will beat a path to your door. Your full of it.

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  • huey6367
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:18pm

    Does anyone believe anything Obazo says? I have meet compulsive liars before but they usually move on before they are found out. He just keeps lying.

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    • CatB
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:26pm

      Isn’t that the Democrat platform?.. listen to Obama and Debbie W-Schultz …and the others … lies and more lies.

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    • huey6367
      Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:40pm

      That’s right. I forgot. I would’ve known that if I listen to either one of them.

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  • Whistleblower
    Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:15pm

    U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald gives the United States of America it’s first Tin-Pot Dictator “Barack Hussein Obama”

    http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2012/09/07/u-s-attorney-patrick-fitzgerald-gives-the-united-states-of-america-its-first-tin-pot-dictator-barack-hussein-obama/

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