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Paul Ryan Talks Medical Marijuana Legalization: ‘Let the States Decide’

Sep. 7, 2012 9:11pm Jason Howerton

Paul Ryan: Medical Marijuana Legalization Should Be Left to the States

Republican vice presidential candidate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. speaks at WestPac Restorations in Colorado Springs, Colo., Thursday, Sept. 6, 2012. (Credit: AP)

The issue of legalizing medical marijuana is not high on the priority list for the Romney/Ryan ticket. However, Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan on Thursday told Colorado station KRDO-TV that legalizing medical marijuana is a decision that should be made by individual states.

“My personal position on these issues has been let the states decide what they want to do with these things,” he said. “This is something that is not a high priority of ours.”

Colorado is currently mulling whether to legalize marijuana and residents will vote on the issue in November with “Amendment 64″ on the ballot.

But Ryan told KRDO-TV not to mistake his position as support for medical marijuana, saying he “doesn’t believe” in the initiative but still fells it is an issue best resolved by the states.

“I personally don’t agree with it, but this is something Coloradans have to decide for themselves,” he added.

Still, the opinion seemingly differs slightly from that of GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. As Huffington Post points out, when asked by a repoter in New Hampshire earlier this year about legalizing medical marijuana he reponded:

“I have the same position this week I had last week when you asked the question,” he said, before arguing fairly loosely that medical marijuana should be banned because it might lead to broader marijuana legalization, which might in turn lead pot smokers to try hard drugs.

“The entryway into our drug culture for our young people is marijuana,” Romney said. “Marijuana is the starter drug. And the idea of medical marijuana is designed to help get marijuana out into the public marketplace and ultimately lead to the legalization of marijuana overall. And in my view, that’s the wrong way to go.”

The Barack Obama administration initially signaled it would not interfere with states with medical marijuana. But federal prosecutors have since shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in California and Colorado.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Dustoff
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:03pm
I agree with Paul. Let these states suffer the poor choices of legal drugs.

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- KevINtampa
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:30pm
  While I agree, it does indeed complicate state to state relations that needs to be considered.
  
  Let’s say Florida were to legalize the growing of cannabis in limited amounts in private gardens. In Georgia on the other hand cannabis possession was a crime. Undoubtedly large amounts of cannabis would make it’s way across the Georgia-Florida border. The financial costs for Georgia to regulate the interstates and bordering highways, and police the the border in general, would be high. It wouldn’t take very long for Georgia to start applying tariffs to legally imported Florida goods, which in turn would violate state to state commerce laws. If that didn’t work or the tariffs were to be struck down by the supreme court, Georgia would ultimately have to setup proper interstate customs offices and checkpoints thus causing the free travel between state to state to become non-existent. This would mean that anyone driving to Disney World from Michigan would need Georgian visas to travel back to Michigan from Florida. Think about where such a division could lead. Obviously this would be the case along any border of a state that legalize any current illicit drug.
  
  As I stated, I do believe it’s an issue of states’ rights. But at the same time the PEOPLE of each state should consider these issues before they exercise the liberty of legalizing a drug. It will undoubtedly have consequences many haven’t seemed to ponder the responsibility of.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:39pm
  How many “legal” drugs have killed people? It seems that pills are actually killing people on a regular basis.
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:55pm
  If the government can keep you from ingesting some drug, then they can also take away your sugar and your salt or anything else they decide is bad for you. It is crazy that you can murder your baby under the right to control your own body, but you can’t smoke marijuana or you go to jail. or worse, the swat team kicks your door in and shoots you and your family.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:06pm
  Paul sees the writing on the wall. The days of the government running the lives of people is OVER.
  
  People on their deathbed should be given the decency to ingest a natural chemical to ease the suffering – lord knows they are given every unnatural chemical under the sun
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:26pm
  KevINtampa
  
  I am not so sure. when I was a kid we traveled to California quite a bit. When we would pass from AZ to CA and vice versa, we had to stop at checkpoints ran by the State where they checked cars for fruit and veggies. I don’t know if they are still there, but we did not need visas to cross from state to state.
  
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- Sirfoldallot
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:57pm
  Yup , state choice, not a good choice but a choice. Free Choice, 4 lib’s only if u agree with there choice.
  
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- mharry860
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:00am
  NOT A CRAZY, exactly, my doctor says I have high blood pressure. It’s been the same for 20 years and I asked him to look at my history. He looked back at my history and said “Well I guess that’s just the way your built”. Pharmaceuticals are into the treatment, not the cure,I won’t take your pills!
  When I snapped my femur in two they gave me some Hydrocodone when I left the hospital. I took them for one day, being sick from their pills isn’t as bad as a little bit of pain. The pain is just a reminder that your still alive!
  
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- bioengineer
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:32am
  Yeah, like repealing prohibition, that one was a real doozy!
  
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- Shiroi Raion
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:55am
  It doesn’t complicate interstate laws much more than the gun or fireworks laws. It’s less harmful than alcohol and millions of people use it anyways. Obama admitted he was a user for years… he’s not much of a role model, but he doesn’t seem stupid (for the most part). I would imagine legalizing it would be devastating to the cartels. Legal marijuana must be the last thing they would want. The only concerns I can imagine are with drivers and that the youth’s accessibility could increase.
  Aside from that, we have far too many people in prison for what is pretty much a victimless crime. We could use the space for real criminals. I remember California had so many people in prison that they were planning on releasing them. I never heard what happened though. Did they release the thousands of prisoners?
  In any case, it’s not even on my radar. Jobs, over-regulation, big government, Iran, public unions… Marijuana is probably not very important right now, but it’s an interesting topic.
  
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- loriann12
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:03am
  My husband has a cousin in California who raises Medical marijuana, legally. It’s strictly controlled. You have to have a license, and most times have to be a certified user yourself. You have to sell it at a price that only covers your expenses, not “street value” of today. They make it hard to make a living that way, let alone thrive. Usually it’s in co-ops. You have to have a doctor’s prescription, just like any other controlled substance and have to be 21. Now, is it easy to get a prescription? Is it easy to get on SSI by saying you’re disabled? Yes to both.
  
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- Master.Debater
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:13am
  @kevintampa: The same thing happened with booze and lottery tickets before georgia had the lottery. This was great for business for florida liquor stores near the state line.
  
  Maybe one benefit would be that all the potheads would move to states with legal pot.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:33am
  Where were all you people when Ron Paul said this during the debates? I dont recall a single person defending him, other than the usual pro-Paul folks
  
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- Detroit paperboy
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:23am
  It doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not…..everybody who wants to smoke weed, IS smoking weed !!! My lawyer smokes it, my dentist smokes it and on occasion I enjoy it also,,,the most destructive and addictive drugs out there are PRESCRPTION DRUGS !!!!!!! and they’re LEGAL……….
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:26am
  SOY wrote: “Paul sees the writing on the wall. The days of the government running the lives of people is OVER.”
  
  I wish that were the case, but his response didn’t give this indication IMO. As he states, it’s not a significant issue of his, meaning Romney and Ryan will do nothing to stop the federal level attacks on states that do enact such laws. Also, he and Romney are very honest in that they believe it should be illegal, which also indicates that once in office, they will continue to ramp up this failed policy. They don’t have a problem with growing the police state and destroying people’s lives because they dared smoke “the devil weed”. They don’t care that innocents are killed and injured during botched drug raids. They don’t care about the endless spending on prison systems to incarcerate millions of Americans for drug violations. They don’t care about the government theft of private property under the authority of “asset forfeiture”.
  
  His answer was a dodge, as he knows that without significant federal level changes, nothing will happen at the state level.
  
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- SandTrout
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:27am
  @Granny
  
  Freedom necessarily leads to lack of uniformity. Paul Ryan is actually being consistent with liberty based values where the Federal Govt. doesn’t make things uniform. If nothing else, this helps re-establish the idea that there are limits on federal authority, which have been eroded over the past 80 years or so. Interestingly, Ryan also takes a similar stance on homosexual marriage: Leave it to the states. Granted, when it has been left to the states, they’ve usually voted against it, and been over ruled by activist courts that have lost any sense of what their proper purpose is supposed to be.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:36am
  It’s call’ed FREEDOM! Have any of you ever read the bill of rights? Does NOT sound like it. You sound just like the l i b t a r d s dictateing what i can or cannot put in my own body. Most on here include’ing glenn sound like progressive republicans shame da mn shame..Unconstitutional IS unconstitutional…
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:43am
  SAND wrote: “Freedom necessarily leads to lack of uniformity. Paul Ryan is actually being consistent with liberty based values where the Federal Govt. doesn’t make things uniform.”
  
  “Liberty” is one thing and “government structure” is another. Ryan’s position is actually ANTI-liberty, personally, but PRO-majoritarian, legally. He doesn’t argue that people have an inherent right to self-determination, so long as it does not deprive others of this right, he argues that the collective should be granted the power to decide how individuals should act.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:46am
  “doesn’t believe” in the initiative but still fells it is an issue best resolved by the states.”
  
  Spell check?
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:52am
  Simple solution legalize it but criminalize what stupid people do with it problem solved.
  
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- jcldwl
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:11am
  I find it funny people will willingly take an approved prescription drug with side effects like. May cause anal leakage, difficulty breathing, headache, rashes, blindness, chest pain, heart attack, stroke, etc. etc. etc. Then they turn around and demonize a natural growing plant that produces a chemical that relieves pain, relaxes you, some have found it to reduce inflamation and be every bit as beneficial as Viagra with out the nasty side effects. Why do you think so many professional athletes use marijuana? Because they have been physically abusing their bodies since childhood sports and it relieves the pain they feel. Is it addictive? Everything is addictive. Addiction is a human trait. We all have at least one thing we are addicted to. I say leave it up to individual choice. It’s called Freedom. I choose not to use marijuana but there may be something I choose to enjoy that may be demonized in the future and taken away from me because others think they need to control what I put in my own body. I think I’ll go have a cigar now.
  
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- repairsea
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:28am
  There are several problems that have occurred in California. If your neighbor smokes cigarettes, you can file a lawsuit against him. If they smoke medical marijuana, you cannot file a lawsuit. The crap is in the air when I walk out on my balcony so I am forced to shut down my house because of the right of a doper. Then they hop in the car and drive which cause accidents and increase my car insurance. They are smoking dope on the streets in front of children. It is a mess. Also, large organized gangs are bringing in semi trucks and stripping down the pot shops while holding guns to their dopers’ families’ heads.
  Until the pharmaceutical companies take over the patents for all dope only then the states will shut down all personal production. The will have to update smoking bans which will cost California more money in a bankrupt state. In the meantime it is going to be a mess and it costing all of us because California is a big Federal funded whore.
  
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- SCREW-WINDOWS
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:34am
  When your life depends on another do you really want to put your life in the hands of a pothead.
  I was seriously injured by just such a person.
  
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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:15pm
  Ryan is right. Let states decide. Instead of these blanket federal laws, let’s have state laws instead. Ryan shows that even if he doesn’t agree with an idea, at least he’s open to allowing others to decide for themselves. It’s the total opposite thought of liberals. For example, liberals (commies) think gay marriage should be the law of the land, even if 99% of Americans are against it. Libs like to force their will on others.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:37pm
  KevINtampa
  
  While I agree, it does indeed complicate state to state relations that needs to be considered.
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  Very true
  
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- The-Obama-Romney-Ticket
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:48pm
  “Paul Ryan Talks Medical Marijuana Legalization: ‘Let the States Decide’, ‘I personally don’t agree with it…’ ”
  
  Past time to remove yet one more government excuse to beef-up their STANDING ARMIES against Americans. We already have property damage laws and manslaughter laws to take care of any consequence of bad behavior.
  WAKE UP PEOPLE! GOVERNMENT IS YOUR SERVANT … NOT YOUR MASTER!
  
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- db321
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:25pm
  All this talk of cannabis has given me the munchies. Come on, $16 Trillion in debt and we have to talk about getting high. We need another Government program like Obama needs another Vacation on Tax payer dime.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:34pm
  DB, gettting rid of the War on Drugs is getting rid of government programs and the complete waste of money and resources that go along with it.
  
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- TexasIndependant
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:37pm
  Well Kevin in Tampa what your talking about are one size fits all laws. Dont we already see the effects of this coming out of Washington. Each state is different and unique and we have already learned valuable lessons from the Feds. One size fits all Laws do not work. States rights are the best way to go. I dont drink alcohol but it is legal. I can bet you I wont run grab a doobie just because they legalize it. Predictionary law is so unbecoming.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:08pm
  Having done some research on this a while back, I am beginning to lean toward a legalized medicinal use of a product from marijuana. What I disagree with is the slick use of state laws that do nothing more than legalize a brick and mortar locations for your local pusher to use while shielding himself. Makes for more of a Cheech and Chong episode than sensible medicine. From what I have read and heard a doctor explain on Coast To Coast AM early last week, smoking it does not deliver enough of the plant’s medicinal qualities to actually do much good at all. Extracts in pill form is more practical and it’s not the THC that they are trying to extract. But, some of it extracted and cannot be helped. It’s some of the other chemicals that help, not only with glaucoma, but has recently shown to have results with some cancers and even HIV patients.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:33pm
  @RepairSea:
  
  I live within a mile of probably a dozen of these establishments, in San Jose, CA.
  
  There has never been any violence associated with these things. They are good neighbors. They are quiet, respectable businesses. Some are upscale, some are not. None are loud. None have shady people hanging around. None draw people who are any different than your neighbor.
  
  Know of what you speak. These shops sell quite a bit of bud, but nothing like the cartels and underground sells. The cartels and crooks don’t care about these establishments, except that they, by their good stewardship and impeccable business instincts and behavior, help to make the idea of a real market in this stuff more acceptable.
  
  If you look at what’s going on with medical pot in California, it’s a beautiful thing. There are people making and selling candies, confections, ointments, extracts and on and on and on. These are cottage industries just budding, if you’ll excuse the pun. These businesses employ people, and help people. They provide money to the local tax base, to improve roads, schools, and so on. Seeing an actual market, from its nascent stages, grow into what can and will be a real force in the marketplace, both in commerce and in ideas, is inspiring.
  
  Now, if you want to cut the cartels off at the knees, make it LEGAL. 100% LEGAL. State by state is fine. Get rid of laws at the Federal (I believe I’ll start calling it “Feral”, instead) level, and let the states
  
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- ExLawman
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:29pm
  You show your ignorance when it comes to marijuana. Colorado has had medical marijuana for years. At one point 1,000+ people/day were getting their medical cards. Dispensaries employe people, sales tax revenue is very lucrative for cities and the state. People have been using marijuana for centuries. Crime is not up, murders are not up and not ONE, not ONE death from marijuana. Compare that to alcohol. States and cities should collect sales tax on it.
  
  Mexican cartels sends TONS of marijuana across the border daily. Why? So it can be caught and confisacated. The more times the agents are dealing with crappy out-door seeded marijuana, tons of cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin are coming across. Mexican marijuana sells for 300.00/pound in Denver. Why? No one in their right mind would touch that stuff.
  
  Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol and it doesn’t work for marijuana.
  
  I’m spent a decade in law enforcement – educate yourself.
  
  http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/
  http://norml.org
  http://LP.org – the Libertarian Party – If you truly want Maximum Freedom – you need Minimum Government
  
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- ArmedAndNotDangerous
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 3:05pm
  KevinInTampa:
  Your logic is so full of holes I don’t know where to begin. As you said, individual states cannot impose tarrifs on commerce between the states, so why do you make that part of your argument? You are just confusing the issue. Using your logic about travelling to Disney World from Michigan, would you not agree that all dry counties would currently need to set up checkpoints to look for alcoholic beverages as cars passed through them? Of course not, that would be ridiculous, as is your argument. The regulation of a plant within a state is NOT in the constitution, period. The commerce of plants across state borders is within federal regulation because it IS in the constitution, period. This is a state issue.
  
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- jontomas
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 5:48pm
  To kevintampa:
  
  While there may some dynamics as you describe, let’s not over inflate them. Remember, this is all happening because marijuana was fraudulently prohibited in 1937. See:
  
  http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm
  
  The criminally enacted prohibition has not gained any legitimacy since that time. It has never accomplished one positive thing. It has ONLY caused vast amounts of crime, violence, corruption, and the severe diminishment of EVERYONE’S freedom.
  
  This is the truth the public is waking up to. Polls show support for re-legalizing marijuana has now passed 50 percent, nationwide – and continues to grow.
  
  When we ended the miserable failure of alcohol prohibition, it did not happen all at once. New York, and a few other states went first. Whatever problems there were between legal and “illegal” states in the interim were less than the ones prohibition were causing,. and were short-lived. The rest of the country followed suit quickly after the most enlightened states broke the ice.
  
  The same thing is happening with the fraudulent marijuana prohibition. As soon as the first state passes their re-legalization initiative, the crumbling war on marijuana consumers will quickly collapse. Any “disruptive” effects of the transition will be more manageable than our experience with alcohol prohibition, since marijuana is non-addictive and near harmless.
  
  This crucial justice, and wise economic move, is way past due.
  
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- jontomas
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 6:10pm
  To repairsea:
  
  Wow. Your bigotry is flaming. If you have a problem with your neighbor, work it out like you would if their barbecue smoke was bothering you. Talk with them first to try and reach an accomodation. If that doesn’t work, then make a formal complaint.
  
  You are wrong about accidents. Many people think marijuana consumption causes accidents like alcohol does. It doesn’t, for various reasons. Research has shown marijuana is less intoxicating. More importantly, while alcohol drinkers think they are better drivers and so drive faster and more aggressively, marijuana consumers are very aware of their altered consciousness and correctly judge when they are too impaired to drive – refraining from doing so. If they must, they correctly compensate for their altered state by driving slower and more cautiously.
  
  The point is, judgement is not affected like it is with alcohol. Marijuana consumers simply don’t put themselves or others in harm’s way. Consequently, the preponderance of the research shows marijuana is NOT a significant cause of auto accidents
  
  Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence
  
  http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450
  
  It is only the fraudulent prohibition that causes ALL the crime now swirling around the near harmless plant. The regulations we have on public smoking will work fine with marijuana as well. Further, smoking is a consumption method that is fading. It’s healthier to eat, drink or vaporize marijuana.
  
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- johnjamison
  Posted on September 10, 2012 at 10:52am
  I too agree with Paul fact is the federal government was never designed to do most of what it does. It the reason we have individual states and state governments.
  
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- AndrewRyan
  Posted on September 18, 2012 at 3:57am
  I concur. Unfortunately, that doesn’t placate the marijuana proponents who wanted the same thing and are now crying that it’s not going their way. A promised proposition on the California ballot never materialized even though proponents guaranteed it’d be on the ballot and that it would pass. Guess they overestimated the appeal.
  
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pissantno.10
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:02pm
the only problem i see and what happened in ca and co was if you had a hang nail you could get a scrip for pot . i do know people who do use they have cancer and glcoma so i really dont have problem with it

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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:07pm
  What differance does it make? You can get all the weed you want without any prescription anyway. How are you proposing that we stop that?
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:18am
  Who says medical means it has to be used strictly for one treatment, the treatment of cancer?
  
  Who says it should be just for medical use anyways? Should alcohol be used for just medical purposes? There are more uses for medical purpose of Marijuana than alcohol.
  
  If you are allowed to enjoy alcohol for it’s ability to alter your mind in a recreational manner, so should you be allowed to enjoy Marijuana for the same desired effects.
  
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- TEXASGRANNY73
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:21am
  I really like Paul Ryan for his economics. Why is he getting into these issues right now? Isn’t this the same as state’s deciding on gay marriage?. Popularity decides social issues? Nothing is uniform. This is scaring me. Glenn Beck who I have always supported and never have time to watch but still pay my coffee a month money to is calling attention to his religion, Mormonism and Romney’s and we sure need this like a hole in the head right now because the Republican campaign has been just great. So have those who booed God, Obama’s people. I think Ryan should explain Catholic beliefs as well.and hey we can get into a national argument for two months about who believes the best. Or is this a joke for those of us who thought Romney and Ryan would win? If it is then hey, give it up now. If they can’t fight to win why bother? This “story” nearly makes me ill. I hope this is not a McCain detour moment. Religion and drugs the new issue. I thought it was about economics. Scream!
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:27am
  @ granny, It’s about Liberty, Freedom. If we want a strong Economy we need less government regulations and mandates. Why should I not be able to grow a plant on my property that is contained on my property for my enjoyment?
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:56pm
  @Granny:
  
  I think Beck is a Judas goat. But I still pay and watch, because of the intellectual content of his programming.
  
  I don’t think you’re going to HIDE the fact that RINOmney is a Mormon. Okay? Get that straight. The cat’s out of the bag, and people are going to think of it what they think. I don’t care, one way or another, if RINOmney is a Mormon. I wouldn’t care if he was Wiccan. I detest his policies and his inability to actually STAND FOR ANYTHING. That is the crux of most people’s problems with our dear friend, Willard McBain.
  
  That said, I enjoyed Beck’s piece on Mormonism. I learned things I didn’t know before, and I have a new respect for those folks. Not like I lacked it before, anyway — I happen to think a lot of what they practice is highly practical — but now I am a little more informed, and “Jesus Pants” is in perspective.
  
  It’s not that “we don’t need this kind of thing now”. You’re not going to avoid it, so you might as well embrace it. We in the know will applaud you, while laughing behind our hands as your candidate goes down in flames to his defeat, but that’s the fault of the Republican party and voters like YOU.
  
  :-)
  
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:01pm
OH THANK YOU BENEVOLENT KING RYAN!!!!!!!! BLESS YOU!!!!! THANK YOU!!!! I GET TO DECIDE AN ISSUE FOR MYSELF!!!!!! THANK YOU, OH THANK YOU MASTER!!!!!!! What has thy servant done to deserve such an unwarranted blessing such as yourself and your kind, generous opinion, oh King?

Notice how LEFTIST, SOCIALIST Ryan DOES NOT mention either the Enumerated Powers OR the 10th Amendment. Neither does he articulate WHAT FORMS his “opinion.”

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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:21pm
  Notice, how Brother Winston and other Paulbots go out of their way to bash Ryan even when he takes a position their messiah shares.
  
  You guys are sick with ****-hurt because Ron Paul is too unelectable to get nominated by his own party. Well, let’s be honest, he isn’t really a republican and never was, he was only using the party as a means to an end. Knowing this, is it any wonder that the party shuns him? Knowing how he and his supporters tried to game the system to get him nominated, is it any wonder that people like me, who have no respect for manipulative weasels, would also shun him?
  
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- Ask Uncle JZS
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:30pm
  @Brother Winston Smith
  “OH THANK YOU BENEVOLENT KING RYAN!!!!!!!! BLESS YOU!!!!! THANK YOU!!!! I GET TO DECIDE AN ISSUE FOR MYSELF!!!!!! THANK YOU, OH THANK YOU MASTER!!!!!!!”
  
  No, the State gets to decide, not you. Just like how Ronny Paul always votes.
  
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  
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- sbenard
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:32pm
  Smith and his fellow Paul zealots forget or dismiss that the commerce clause of the Constitution was written precisely for this purpose. Ron Paul and his bots don’t know or love the Constitution nearly as much as they think they do! They are followers of Prophet Paul, NOT the Constitution!
  
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- Brother Winston Smith
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:37pm
  Oooopsy… no, the Commerce Clause is a TRADE AGREEMENT between States and nations and DOES NOT GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE “POWER” TO “BAN” anything.
  
  The PROPER PROCEDURE is an Amendment to the Constitution, like we tried AND FAILED with alcohol.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:43pm
  Why do you suppose they would remove my question asking my “Brother” if he has one of several types of sexual relations with Ron Paul? Why do suppose I would have been kicked off of The Blaze at the same time? Now that IS a conspiracy.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:49pm
  @WoolFree, I believe that Ron Paul was treated horribly by Romney’s campaign and it was unwarranted. He had the nomination wrapped up, but still did things in a way that was not Presidential, plus the way the RNC and Romney’s campaign changed the rules in order to squash all future grassroots from having any voice by the people is akin to a dictatorship, and all of you just turn your head and say nothing. I believe that Romney will pay dearly for that, not just from Ron Paul supporters, but many other Tea Party voters, and you still decide to bash them, shameful. The way it was all handled could cause Romney to lose to Obama, only the future will tell.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:53pm
  Not A Crazy, if it makes you feel any better, I saw your comment before it was removed and laughed heartily. I thought it was a valid point, considering the kind of venomous spite coming from those in question.
  
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- Ask Uncle JZS
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:56pm
  @Brother Twiston Smith
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  STATES RIGHTS!!!!!!
  
  What you say Brother Twiston Smith? States Rights?????
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:59pm
  SBENARD-
  so you are cool with the government taking away sugar foods and salt? The commerce clause only give the fed a right to regulate interstate commerce. Not commerce within a state. The only reason it was included was to prevent trade wars between states, not to dictate to the citizens what they can and cannot eat, drink or smoke.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:01pm
  Oh please we understand the commerce clause and we don’t like the way it was broadly interpreted allowing the federal government to anything it wanted after the progressive era. It’s been abused by the courts Renquist began limiting it again, and even the latest ACA ruling neglected to site it, which is actually huge. The question is would smuggling between states that allow weed to states that restrict it be any different than the smuggling between states now? It’s been a while since college, but I know it has been abused to grant the federal government more power than originally intended. I still believe it’s a states’ rights issue like Ryan and Ron Paul. Hell anyone that isn’t a progressive for that matter. I’m actually surprised Ryan came down on the right side of this argument. Of course, what he says, and what he does haven’t been consistent.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:03pm
  MadAsHeII, I can only roll my eyes at a bunch of zealots who would sell out everything they claim to believe in for the sake of foolish pride and spitefulness. Unbelievable what you and a VERY LOUD but few others are suggesting. And I maintain that it would be FAR more telling about what kind of person you are than what kind of person Romney is.
  
  I admit that Romney and the RNC were WRONG, and they have also conceded as much. But the shameful actions of a bunch of Paul supporters are what instigated the entire fiasco.
  
  Please stop trying to pretend that Ron Paul’s hands aren’t just as dirty as Romney’s in this exercise in pettiness when the nation is already reeling and on the precipice.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:07pm
  Our comments jived perfectly Wool.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:16pm
  I think that’s mostly because neither of us are crazy, nor are we allowing anyone to pull wool over our eyes. Truth in advertising is pretty cool.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:21am
  @WoolFree, People like you will be the demise of our party. I am a Freedom Works Tea Party member and have been since 2009 and I resent your attitude. I was willing to hold my nose for Romney, before this flagrant violation of our voting rights. I will not vote for a man who holds such disregard to election competition, and puts so much power over the elections to a handful of people in power in the GOP. This was pushed through the convention against the majority of the delegates, just as bad as the Democrats did in disregard to their platform changes against the will of their delegates. Both parties have shown that they will do what they want against the will of The People. This is against freedom, this is against the grassroots and it takes the power of The People and shreds it like paper in a paper shredder. After this I cannot see much difference in Romney and Obama, and I will not look to him as any kind of leader of free people. You can stay blind to this fact, but I do believe that this will cost him the election and it will be a sad day come November 6th, 2012.
  
  http://cgi.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=35401
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:54am
  FYI, I was also a Tea Party member at the Tax Day Tea Party of 2009, and I seem to remember that FreedomWorks came along after the fact. It was a TRUE grassroots movement. I happen to resent YOUR position on this. I do not fault you for your outrage at Romney and the RNC farting around with the rules, but it is this silly position of “I’m mad about it, so screw the nation,” that I find deplorable.
  
  I can’t wrap my mind around your impatience. Do you really believe that 4 years under Romney would be the death knell for the nation? I don’t. However, I do believe that 4 more years of an unrestrained Obama administration could very possibly – even PROBABLY – see the end of Constitutional rights. There would be no chance for us to bicker over delegation rules and procedure, because there would be no delegates and no election.
  
  However, I do believe that we can continue to elect real Conservatives into Congress, replacing the establishment RINOs, as long as we have a Romney in the White House going about repairing our trashed economy.
  
  Your eagerness to make Romney pay for his sins by threatening to withold support in this all-important election seems like very small-minded pettiness. Make him pay next time around, for crying out loud. The rules issue can, and will, be addressed in due time.
  
  RON PAUL CAN NOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. Romney ain’t perfect, but he is the only nominee for 2012.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:44am
  @Wool I wasn’t going to vote for Romney before they were complete Nazi dicks during the primaries and at the convention. Those actions just solidified what I thought of him and the RNC. I’ve been adamant from the start that I wasn’t going to cast my vote for anyone that supported the NDAA and other tyrannical horse crap they’ve been voting for. We would only be spiteful and petty if we actually believed Romney was better than the commie-in-chief but the fact is they’re just different sides of the same turd. Romney’s better on some domestic issues, but will wind up getting us destroyed if he listens to Bush’s national security advisers he has on his staff. Besides you say he conceded what they did was wrong, yet they’re still actively suing to have some of our voices silenced and continuing to strip legitimate delegates of their credentials. There’s no remorse at all if they’re continuing their actions. The bottom line is fascism isn’t any better than socialism and it would be a tough sell to convince me that isn’t exactly what Romney is.
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:42am
  @ wool. I am actually tempted to vote for Romney. I think if Romney wins the GOP will take a big hit. A romney admin. won’t be much different then what we have now and he and the repuds will get the blame for the declining economy.
  
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- justneedaname
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:39am
  BROTHER WINSTON, so just for the record. Ryan espouses the same position that you do but because it’s Ryan and not Paul, it’s not to your liking? You’re just as whiny a child as the Obama-bots that don’t get their way.
  
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- SocialistSlayer
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:46am
  Brother Winston is really a Communist Comrade !
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:22am
  The Ron Paul crowd is the Ross Perot crowd. The same mule-headed people that gave Klinton four extra destructive years are intent on doing the same with B.O.. The arguments haven’t even changed from Perot to Paul. They just copy and paste.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:30am
  Circledwagons said: A romney admin. won’t be much different then what we have now and he and the repuds will get the blame for the declining economy.
  
  The economy is declining because we have an America destroyer in the White House. Romney will bring his business-building mind and we can easily start a true recovery when there is someone in there that we can believe will provide the true incentives businesses need to grow.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:33am
  UNCLE JZS wrote: “No, the State gets to decide, not you. Just like how Ronny Paul always votes.”
  
  Love how so many think freedom entails switching from one king to 50 kings.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:47pm
  @Woolfree, You are missing my point. There is enough discord that I believe Romney will lose. If all of you do not start researching the trends right now, you will allow Obama another four years. Look at the polls. After the convention, a candidate gets a big bump in the polls, not this time: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
  
  If you look at the graph, you will see that Romney was gaining big grounds, up to the convention, but now that the convention is over, he is going back down. I believe it is because of the power grab he did at the convention. If you think this is not going to hurt him, you are crazy. I tried to get everyone here to call your local GOP headquarters and complain, did you? I have looked at all the things that happened through the primary and what I see is the Romney supporters were lazy, they did not do the hard work of getting to the caucuses and fighting for their candidate, Ron Paul supporters did, but for what? They were stripped of their positions from the Romney campaign and in my opinion, in a way that is detrimental to our voting system. So we should vote for the lazy? I got a lot of info here: http://www.fox19.com/category/208878/reality-check-with-ben-swann I believe this guy is the only honest reporter left in the country. You should watch all of them.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:05pm
  Madashell…the problem with the RNC was that a bunch of wild-eyed Paulbots showed up intent on disrupting the show. All of you know, and said, what your intent was. Ron Paul was out. That is the end of the story but somehow you all convinced yourselves that he still had a chance. The majority of the Republican Party spoke out during the primaries. For better or worse we (I did not vote for him) chose Romney. My county actually went to RP (I did not vote for him either) but my state went for Romney. The bottom line is that Romney was already chosen by the people to be the GOP nominee. You all were just hoping for some hanging chads. Now instead of crying about Romney, when it was actually the way Bonehead Boehner handled the situation at the RNC, you should buckle down and throw out the un-Constitutional Kenyan in the White House.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:34pm
  Yet, here you still are, continuing to sow the seeds of discord that you so disingenuously claim to fret over. I seriously question your motives. Smells like more deception and obfuscation from The Ron Paul Faction to me – or, even worse, a truly disgusting MediaMatters plant trying to split the anti-Obama vote. Either way, I find your tactics to be deplorable.
  
  Let me, again, clarify this situation for you: Ron Paul can not possibly win a general election in the realm of unclouded reality.
  
  So, if you acknowledge this very blunt fact, what are you doing here other than sowing the seeds of discord? If you do not acknowledge that fact, why not admit that you are (at best) a Ron Paul supporter who is intentionally trying to sway Conservatives into voting for Ross Perot 2012?
  
  Proverbs 6:16-19
  There are six things that the Lord hates,
  seven that are an abomination to him:
  haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
  and hands that shed innocent blood,
  a heart that devises wicked plans,
  feet that make haste to run to evil,
  a false witness who breathes out lies,
  and one who sows discord among brothers.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:23pm
  @WoolFree, “Proverbs 6:16-19
  There are six things that the Lord hates,
  seven that are an abomination to him:
  haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
  and hands that shed innocent blood,
  a heart that devises wicked plans,
  feet that make haste to run to evil,
  a false witness who breathes out lies,
  and one who sows discord among brothers.”
  I see you just describe the Romney campaign. Have you watched the Reality Checks by Ben Sann in my link above? No. Romney flipped votes with the voting machines, ballots were stuffed, votes were conveniently lost on their way to the polling station, votes were changed in the Maine caucuses and some were not even counted, etc… This primary election was a sham. The news stations were reporting the wins with less than 1% of the vote in using the same exit poll by the same company. I do not believe it at all. And to let you know, I did not vote for Paul, I voted for Romney. I have changed my mind with everything that happened at the convention. Dirty politics Obama style. I am just stating facts. Did you look at the polls above? No. As Paulbots would say, wake up.
  http://mittromney4potus.blogspot.com/2007/01/context.html
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 2:32am
  Oh, I see, when you are called out, you remain silent. I say you are cowardly. You cannot face the facts. Go ahead, continue with the losing team because that is what you are doing. We have a chance in this election to do the right thing for freedom. We all have to face the facts that our two party system is not listening to us whatsoever. Why would you vote for a system that treats you with such disdain? If we can get 40% of the people to vote differently, we can exact real change in our system. If we show both Democrats and Rebublicans that we have had enough,they will change for the better. If we do not do it this year, we may never have the chance again. Think about that.
  
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CS Lewis FAN
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:58pm
Our moral equivalent of war, this one on drugs, has done little to reduce the drug’s use, and much to put so much profit into it that it, like all other things made illegal, into a black market money maker and life taker (not via use). Outlawing a drug didn’t work the first time (alcohol). And speaking of a “gateway drug”, Governor Romney, the same logic would beg for the prohibition days to return. Just as I don’t plan on grinding up my glue-laminated table top and smoking it, legal or not, I won’t do drugs, legal or not. Keeping drugs illegal would bring a few new users, but the benefits would far outweigh the risks. Benefits being, less people dying in the drug war, less crowding of jails with non-violent minority drug offenders, increased morals taught in non-broken homes of minorities, less people suffering needless cancer pain, an end of the Big Pharmacy monopoly on pain killers, and an underfunded CIA, so they can do less NDAA assassinations, etc., etc. Yes, 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment higher on the list, Mr Ryan, but after you quickly take care of those, how about restoring more freedoms like legalizing drugs. Why pay an arm and a leg for it to my health insurance company for any pain killer when i can grow one at home???

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:08pm
  but it isnt possible to be a christian AND not want the government telling people how to live – is it?
  
  lol. good post CS Lews Fan
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:28pm
  I am A Christian, and as long as I don’t have to pay for the consequences of any type of lifestyle, thAT SHOULD BE YOUR DECISION.
  
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- Jenny Lind
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:43am
  Soybomb, yes it is. It’s all about free agency, you have every right to ruin your life or lift it up. I think medical weed is a good thing. It was placed here on earth and all things were created for man’s use. Just not stupid use. It is an herb. Works great as a poltice on horses and cattle. If it eases pain naturaly, it should be used. (or nausea). Ryan was asked a question abouy something on a Colorado ballot, he didn’t bring it up, and he gave his personal opinion.
  
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- tajloc
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:12am
  I like CS Lewis also but … I am a Christian and a libertarian (impossible you say). I want to legalize ALL drugs ‘cuz “just say no” and the other edges of the war on drugs are not working. I do not want corner drug stands. Just go down to the Pharmacy and sign into a database and get anything for $10 per year (nominal fee). Then we will have real druggies rolling around in the gutter and we can point at them when our children are walking by and say ugh! don’t be like that.
  We must take the criminals out of this and then maybe we can treat the sickies instead of incarcerating them. The cartels would disappear overnite.
  Rom 8:28
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:16pm
  ah – i was not clear in my post
  
  I was being sarcastic in my christian = freedom sentence. Though a lot of christians seem to think that it cannot be done
  
  CS Lewis fan had a good post – that was not sarcasm
  
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out4u2
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:58pm
Seriously? He only answered this way because Colorado is up for grabs.

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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:05pm
  So you basically don’t believe anything he says?
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:39pm
  Yeah, seriously, the guy whose playlist starts with AC/DC and ends with Zeppelin couldn’t possibly be claiming that marijuana legalization should be left up to the states to decide, right? Right, guys? Seriously, right? Wow, Paulbots are so blinded by their own spite.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:03am
  @Not a Crazy, Why should anyone believe what he says? Have you heard him talking about natural law and how our rights should remain unchanged? Yet he voted to take away those rights. His words haven’t matched his actions. He’s just another politician that says one thing and does another. If his voting record matched his rhetoric we’d give him the benefit of the doubt. That’s just not the case.
  
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:53pm
Yo, LEFTIST, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE Paul Ryan… here’s MORE of YOUR ILLEGAL LEGISLATION that falls under the tenth amendment:

Economic Stimulus 2008
ADDITIONAL Economic Stimulus 2009
Socialized employment (extending UC)
Socialized education (No Child Left Behind)
Socialized medicine (Medicare Prescription Drug “benefits”)
Socialized housing (Section 8 vouchers)
Head Start

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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:30pm
  Spam and smear, spam and smear, spam and smear. You have a ton of gall to have ever called me an Alinskyite, you disgusting, spiteful troll.
  
  I have no idea why Ron Paul and his followers are so despised… wait, it’s coming to me.
  
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- Brother Winston Smith
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:35pm
  Hmmm… I would think Ryan’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL socialism would be the “despised” item.
  
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- fedlibertarian
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:58pm
  ummmmm me thinks you have a point there. but bush was a socialist so sometimes you have to follow the leader. hope ryan got his mind right now.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:36am
  Obama say’s one thing and does the opposite and everyone on hear hold’s him accountable. Wich they should. Now when someone points out someone else doing the same thing how can you honestly argue with that? Rubio,West,Ryan all these people and most of the other’s talk a good talk but they don’t walk it. If they say one thing then vote for unconstitutional bill’s and laws please tell me why they are different from Obama or even any other person in politics? I wonder if people on hear are for the constitution and the bill of rights, true freedom or just want what they believe to be their side with the power? I want to hold all of the people we intrust with our lives to be held accountable with no exceptions just truth.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:14pm
  @U.N.Hater:
  
  Here, you see the dichotomy between conservatives and Republicans, between those who desire a small government of limited powers, and those who want a large government with its feelers in everything people say or do or think.
  
  No, Republicans do not cherish or even believe in the Constitution. They are not a group of people who believe in the rule of law, and they do not believe that our rights are born to us, bestowed by nature and nature’s God.
  
  They are authoritarians, bent on controlling We the People, lying us into wars, stuffing us into prisons for non-crimes, and then telling us it’s our own fault. Just like the Democrats.
  
  And they’re right. It *IS* our fault.
  
  Because we haven’t gotten rid of BOTH of them.
  
  YET.
  
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SIXFRIGATES
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:51pm
10th Amendment gives EVERYTHING that is not specifically outlined in the Constitution to the authority of the states individually..

Scanning… scanning… Yup, it’s a state right issue, just as gay marriage and abortion should be.

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momprayn
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:51pm
I’m about as “Conservative” as you can get – and a devout Christian. I really think all of us that have had a “knee jerk” reaction to NOT legalizing drugs like I once did, rethink and research. I agree with HUGH. It’s like Prohibition. Big mistake. And yes, it should be up to the states.
When you agree that it should be legal, that is NOT saying you think it is right or good or that there’s nothing wrong with taking them. Should be like alcohol – have education and laws re any harm done under the influence, but it’s up to each person to decide whether he indulges or not.
Most of us are not aware about all the horrible drug trade horrors & deals, not to mention what we go through to try to imprison, etc. Stossel has made these common sense points.
However, that doesn’t mean I agree to the legalization of abortion – that’s b/c that is a totally different thing – murder. Anyway -yes, I agree with Ryan and glad he said it.

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SIXFRIGATES
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:50pm
Boom! California just fell into the Romney column. I couldn’t agree more. It is less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol in many ways, it will create revenue for states which decided to legalize it and it will destroy drug cartels.

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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:56pm
  What is up with all you you people who keep pushing the tax and revenue angle of marijuana? How about if it is just decriminalized and then people can treat it like tomatoes or corn. Good grief, I will never understand the tax-it crowd. I guess that is why I am a TEA partier.
  
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- Dustoff
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:05pm
  ARE you kidding..since CA has allowed MJ, the traffic deaths have jumped on MJ drivers.
  The stupid state has few rules on how to handle it.
  
  PS…. Fire medic. Yeah I’ve seen it all.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:24pm
  Dust Off…that would be a phony statistic. Cite your statistics if you are going to throw out crap like that. The fact is that the actual numbers of pot smokers never increased in Kalifornia anyway. People who already smoked simply went out and got some of the government off of their backs. Nice try.
  
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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:50pm
I LOVE IT. Here’s where the FAKE-conservatives come FURTHER out of the closet. Keeping in mind, the “heroin for all” BRAVO SIERRA was A MAJOR REASON FOR MANY TO REJECT PAUL! Now the LEFTIST, SOCIALIST Paul Ryan IS PROMOTING THE EXACT SAME POSITION (although because of “opinion” and NOT Constitutional fidelity)… NOBODY… I MEAN NOBODY WILL SAY BOO ABOUT IT!!!!

FRIGGIN FAKE-CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRITES make my skin crawl!!!

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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:21pm
  Yep.
  
  I wonder how long it will be, before one of these R-toting clowns will say something like, “Well, you know, given that we have bases all around their borders, can you really BLAME Iran for wanting a nuke? After all, we don’t go invading North Korea.”
  
  Leave aside, for a moment, that that statement does not convey any idea like, “… and I think they SHOULD have a nuke!”
  
  But, when a neocon R-clown like Willard McBain or the Boy Blunder slips up and tells the truth, they’ll be hailed as a statesman, and someone who has thought through the issue thoroughly. Their praises will be sung by the establishment.
  
  What will y’all say, then? Seriously?
  
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DonLukas
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:47pm
I used to work at a dispensary in L.A.

One thing I didn’t realize is that there are people in real friggin pain out there.

Some people have been on meds for years and medical pot lets them get pain relief without having to take oxys, or perkys or any of the hundreds of meds out there.

Cancer patients come in daily and praise God thankful that they can find relief from chemo therapy.

A lot of them don’t smoke, some can’t smoke and some had never tried cannabis until they got sick.

The patients who never used before wouldn’t have scored a sack on the street to give them pain relief. Only because of prop 215 they have the option to go to a clean sanitary place and get the only medicine that isn’t chemical based. Many are reluctant to try medican because of the stigma.

Also, in highland park, between two major gangs, the Avenues and 13th street, medican prevents these kids shooting each other over a $5 sack of weed.

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- booger71
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:32pm
  each other over a $5 sack of weed.
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  Fopr that price, are you sure it is not oregano?
  
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Mutiny
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:42pm
Holy hell!!! States rights? You Ron Paul bashers better start bashing Paul Ryan for his hippie dope smoking ideas. I guess you Paul Ryan supporters are just sitting around in your underwear, in your moms basement, eating cheetos, and getting stone now huh?

I applaud this effort. This is a state issue and its good to hear someone from the establishment start to understand that. We have spent over a trillion dollars on the federal war on drugs. Last I checked people are still doing drugs.

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- black9897
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:49pm
  It’s very surprising to hear this from Paul Ryan, considering he’s actually wanting to follow the constitution. If he’s truthful that would be great.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:53pm
  I am a “Ron Paul Basher” and I am in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That doesn’t have anything to do with the stupidity of Ron Paul not backing Israel and the fact that he thinks it is OK for the psycho Iranians to have nuclear weapons. You Paulbots are beyond mental midgets.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:18pm
  “I am a “Ron Paul Basher” and I am in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That doesn’t have anything to do with the stupidity of Ron Paul not backing Israel and the fact that he thinks it is OK for the psycho Iranians to have nuclear weapons. You Paulbots are beyond mental midgets.”
  
  I would argue we have had four previous psycho presidents with nuclear weapons.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:32pm
  Resme..What does your hatred for America have to do with Iran getting nukes?
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:48pm
  @not crazy
  
  Well if you are uninformed you believe that is what Ron Paul said. If you listen to fox news and talk radio that is the information you are given. Why not go do a bit of learning on your own and listen to Ron Paul’s words.
  
  Ron Paul is called anti Israel because he wants to cut foreign aid to all nations. Yes this would cut 4 billion a year going to Israel but it also would cut 12 billion going to the hostile foreign nations surrounding Israel. That is a net gain for Israel. Ron Paul was one of the few politicians that supported Israel’s strikes during the seven day war. He wants a free Israel who doesnt need our permission to protect themselves.
  
  As for it “being ok for Iran to have a nuke”, he never said that. He clearly state he understands why Iran wants a nuke. Having a nuke gets you respect. Iran says they are threatened by Israel who has hundreds of nukes. It only makes sense that Iran wants one.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:06pm
  Mutiny…I have listened to Ron Paul and I have heard the Paulbots side. They don’t line up. Ron Paul clearly said what he said and then he said it again and again. You Paulbots have tried to cover up what he said because he is your god but the facts ARE the facts.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:09pm
  a couple more things like this and I might actually vote for the guy!!!
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:18pm
  @not crazy
  
  What? Provide the link and quote for Ron Paul saying those things. Its a clear put up or shut up thing. You sir are a liar and you are being called out on it or you just a ill informed sheep. Which is it?
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:36pm
  Iran has the right to defend themselves from American military invasion of their country. which means getting nukes for their defense and USA is only country to use nukes, even pakistan a Muslim country never used them despite USA using drones to kill people in their country. Israel has over 300 and Iran should be able to have some to defend themselves. Iran didn’t attack the Uss liberty. so you gotta question if there really our ally or not and i can mention more scuffles if you like.
  
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- Ask Uncle JZS
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:40pm
  @resme
  “I would argue we have had four previous psycho presidents with nuclear weapons.”
  
  True. But only one POTUS has used them (Atomic). Do you agree with that use back in 1945? If not, what would you have done instead?
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:03am
  “Resme..What does your hatred for America have to do with Iran getting nukes?”
  
  Haha, Sure.
  
  I’d have to ask, What is your “Hatred” for “brown” muslims? By your definition disliking Obama = “Hating” America. So preach on, American “Hating”, Terrorist lover.
  
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- bioengineer
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:24am
  @Not A Crazy… I’m sure you’re long offline, but figured I would post a late response anyway. I can understand your position, but think you are missing a few key points. Personally I would consider myself a big supporter of Israel. I’ve actually even travelled there several times and have lived . That said though, let me ask a simple question Where in the Constitution does it authorize the federal government to take money from American citizens by force and hand it to Israel? If I found a baby in a basket on my doorstep I would unquestionably take it in and care for it. What I wouldn’t do however is go down the road and put a gun in someone else’s face and force them to care for the baby or rob them of their money so I could spend it on the baby. This is what people like you unfortunately don’t seem to get. You can’t have it both ways. You call Obamanomics socialism, which it is, but somehow weath redistribution to Israel is ok. And what compounds this even more is that fact that we’re BROKE! We’re charging this all up on a credit card. Israel isn’t going into debt, they aren’t going to pay any of that money back. Re Iran you also make this same mistake. I don’t go into whether they actually are crazy or not… regardless, what do you propose to do about it? You’re going to start WW3 in order to prevent WW3? It’s lunacy. If you were in their shoes you’d want the power/respect that comes with being a nuclear power too.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:58am
  Bio said: “That said though, let me ask a simple question Where in the Constitution does it authorize the federal government to take money from American citizens by force and hand it to Israel?”
  
  I understand your point, up to a point. However, it is apples and oranges. First off I believe in protecting our true allies. Israel is our true ally. I also believe in protecting us. Having a strong Israeli military is protecting us. I believe in keeping psycho’s who have openly called for the total destruction of Israel and the USA in as small of a box as possible. The only way to do that, in this case, is to keep as strong of a military in Israel as we can and to quash any and all nuclear weapon activity as possible in places like Iran. Did you just hear about how Iran has plans to have their navy in the waters off of our shores soon? Is that who you want to have nukes? Do you really want Iran who has openly called for our total destruction to have nukes on navy ships off our shores? I disagree with this Ron Paul platform and I am really tired of Ron Paul fanatics telling me that the platform doesn’t exist.
  
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- bioengineer
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:28pm
  @NotACrazy, What you say is all good and well, but it still doesn’t address my point. Whether or not Israel is a worthwhile cause is completely separate from the issue of whether it’s Constitutional. A Democrat can take literally your exact words and replace words like “israel” with “poor people” and make a similar argument to support the cause of socialized medicine. Because, in their heart of hearts, it’s just the right thing to do!
  
  You can’t have it both ways. If you open pandora’s box for Israel, then the box is open for anything and everything. And that’s what we see… 40,000 troops stationed in Japan, 35,000 in South Korea, etc. For every dollar we spend on Israel we spend several times that on her neighbors, buying them off. And how has that turned out? We created Mubarak, who ruled with an iron fist for 40 years. He was an evil tyrant. But when it came to Israel he cooperated with us. From the perspective of the average Egyptian they don’t see things from your “Israel is holy” perspective. What they see is that they are poor, living in shacks, have insanely high taxes, are forced to serve in Mubarak’s military, etc. List goes on and on, these people are victimized in ways you can’t even imagine by this government. And pulling the puppet strings what do they see? An American flag and an Israeli flag. Just follow this to its natural conclusion…. what do you expect will happen?
  
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- bioengineer
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:44pm
  @NotACrazy, the exact same goes for Iran is well. Neither Ahmadinejad or Khomeini are popular among their people. Naturally over time the people in Iran will toss these clowns out of power just as the Egyptians finally got rid of Mubarak. I know you think the Iranians are crazy, but they aren’t. That US-media propoganda just isn’t true. The average Iranian is just a normal person trying to get by and take care of his family. The corrupt leaders are very clever tyrants. They stay in power by fueling anti-American and anti-Israeli sentiment. In Iran they blame all their internal problems on the USA and Israel. And we line up like lemmings to prove them right and help give these guys more power.
  
  How much time have you spent in the Middle East? And I would also ask you – what is the point of Israel? All this money, all these security issues, all over this tiny worthless piece of dirt… why? Because it is their historical holy land? Because the jewish people should have a home? Do the Christian people have a home? Most Israelis have dual citizenship in some other major “western” country. About 1/3 are American, and many others have UK, German, French, and other passports. Seriously, if the point is just for them to have a home, how about South Dakota? There are a zillion islands with tiny populations and more land than Israel. I’m just saying, the money spent on this problem isn’t rationale.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:16pm
  Bioengineer…your arguments are funny in the sense that I was going to make the opposite argument on those very subjects but I decided not to waste my time earlier. S.Korea and Japan are 2 very good places for us to spend prevention dollars. Who knows what we have prevented by having troops over there blocking moves by the N.Koreans, Chinese and Russians. I liked the fact that Mubarak was keeping the Muslims under control. I like the fact that all of the iron-fisted arab dictators were keeping the Muslims under control. It sounds to me like your ideals line up a lot more with B.O.’s. I have noticed that Ron Paul and B.O. aren’t that far apart on a lot of this line of thinking.
  
  I also find it very interesting that Paulbots run around worrying about the Constitutionality of an issue like this but you don’t worry about issues that are actually un-Constitutional and they are actually harmful. I would start with the so-called Executive Orders. This current White House is doing more to destroy the Constitution than the rest of our history combined and yet Israel is somehow a bigger issue.
  
  In regards to the Jews, Israel and the tiny piece of land…that one is a no-brainer. God gave that land to his chosen people, the Jews. It is their land and it will always be their land. No phony group of people like the ficticious Palestinians are going to occupy it. Everything that is coming has been foretold in the Bible. Read it and then you won’t be surprised when it
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:36pm
  @Not A Crazy:
  
  I don’t see any of us Lovers of Liberty lining up to defend Obama’s (OR BUSH’S) executive orders. In fact, I hear quite the opposite — CONSTANTLY.
  
  So, we’re against unconstitutional garbage like foreign aid. And we’re against unconstitutional garbage like Executive Orders.
  
  But you’re FOR unconstitutional garbage like foreign aid, and FOR the Executive Orders written and signed by Bush (but NOT that eeevilll commmmiieeeee Obama!!!!)
  
  Somehow, I think that the Lovers of Liberty have the more consistent, and correct, position.
  
  Just my $.02.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:03pm
  Norm, Norm, Norm…you are just another typical Paulbot who can’t read or comprehend. Oh well.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:14pm
  @Not, Not, Not…
  
  Please point out to me where I have misconstrued your statements above?
  
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- bioengineer
  Posted on September 9, 2012 at 12:14am
  @NotACrazy, respectfully, you ARE crazy, lol. You say, “God gave that land to his chosen people, the Jews”. ROFL. This is such an utterly illogical statement where do I begin. First, you’re making a wholly religious argument for a state foreign policy position. How unconstitutional is that? I’m Mormon, I don’t agree with your religious beliefs. I can tell you Romney sure doesn’t either. We Mormons believe that the ancient Jews apostatised. We actually refer to ourselves as the “elders of Israel.” We even believe that the “new Jerusalem” is to be rebuilt in the USA. :) Second, apparently you don’t seem to realize that modern-day Jews are no more related to the Jews of old than you or I. If you want to talk strictly in terms of blood, the Arabs in that part of the world have more in common with the ancient Israelites. So specifically WHO are the chosen people? Anybody that calls themself jewish? Or only people with a specific blood line? Is it a specific sect within Judaism? As a Mormon I would argue none of the above, but that the “chosen” people referred to are actually those who hold the priesthood… which is only in the Mormon church. In case you aren’t getting all this, I’m illustrating exactly why governments shouldn’t meddle in affairs based on religion. Nobody agrees.
  
  Re your other points. Paul’s foreign policy is nothing like BOs. BOs foreign policy is just like yours… police the world.
  
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Passerbye
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:42pm
It would devistate the Mexican Cartels. The good that would do takes the breath away.

Lots of talk about the slaughter in Syria, and how we should send our kids there to die. Ten times as many have been killed within gunshot of our Mexican border and we do absolutely nothing about it except let anyone cross the border unimpeded.

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ApostolicIlx
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:41pm
Anyone remember Admiral James Stockdale during the 1992 VP debates? He was Ross Perot’s running mate. They asked him, “what is your stance on Roe v. Wade?” His answer, “It’s a woman’s body, it’s her choice.”…..Crickets “Do you want to expand on that?” Stockdale, “Okay, I’m personally against abortion, I’d rather not be paying for it, but since I’m a guy, the chances of me having to make that decision are zero.” It brought down the house. Great debate.

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neiman1
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:35pm
Fantastic. Actually let the states become their own deciders of their future. Ron Paul lives in the Republican Party…

Holder is currently cracking down on medical marijuana in California and Colorado. This is not only great policy but its great politics

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Lando
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:32pm
here’s a wild idea… Let the adult individual decide!

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- grayling646
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:55pm
  But then what would the bureaucrats do for a living?
  
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OlefromMN
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:30pm
It’s got to be getting tougher and tougher for the RP guys/gals to dislike this ticket. Paul Ryan was spot on. It’s not a big issue on the national priority list. Let the 10th take care of it.

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- Kupo
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:50pm
  Wrong. I might start to dislike this ticket slightly less once they agree that NDAA is a violation of the 5th Amendment, or that CISPA is a violation of the 1st and the 4th.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:05pm
  KUPO…B.O. is the idiot who has been shoving through ALL of the government intrusion and everything that you Paulbots and the rest of us are opposed too. Why can’t you figure that out? How is leaving B.O. in our White House going to help restore America and our Constitution?
  
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- hidden_lion
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:08pm
  Not crazy-
  No, BO jsut signed the bills. McCain and crew sponsored them. RINO’s have ruin the party and put bills into place to grant the king more power, gambling that they will be the king soon.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:16am
  NDAA, CISPA, and PATRIOT Act – three of the most egregious laws/proposed laws to grace this generation:
  
  CISPA HoR Voting Tally
  Republican 206, Democrat 42
  
  NDAA HoR Vote Tally
  Republican 283, Democrat 136
  
  PATRIOT Extension Vote Tally
  Republican 210, Democrat 65
  
  That’s not to say that I support the Democrat Party in any way, shape, or form (because I don’t); but to say that these bills are thanks to Obama and the Democrat Party alone is simply untrue. The bills’ staunchest champions make their homes among the Republicans.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:45am
  I am not about to disagree that the RINO’s and other Republican’s are part of the problem. With that said what B.O. has done and what he will do is far worse than what Bush43 did or what Romney will do.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:54am
  But Romney and Ryan are among those very “RINOs” who supported each and every one of those bills. That’s why I will never like this ticket.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:47am
  We don’t have to like the ticket. What we have to do is swallow our bile and like the Obama/Biden ticket less. I was not going to vote for McCain EVER until they brought Palin on board. They got my vote that way and it still makes me sick that I voted for one of the biggest RINO’s of all but I am still glad I did when I see what B.O. has turned out to be – A Marxist America/Constitution Destroyer. At least I know that McCain does not hate America. We disagree on a lot of stuff but I know he does not hate America. B.O. hates America.
  
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- Kupo
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:46pm
  Hey NotACrazy –
  
  I haven’t decided on whether or not I’m going to hold my nose and vote Romney yet. I was merely responding to OLEFROMMN when he said that it must be getting hard for us to DISLIKE the Romney/Ryan ticket and I said that he is absolutely wrong and that it is still very, very easy for us to dislike it. Then you came charging in like a dumb*** and throwing the term “Paulbots” around, WHILE ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH ME.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:42pm
  @Not A Crazy:
  
  Why, when the stated positions of Fascist A, are the SAME as the stated positions of Fascist B, would I vote for EITHER?
  
  I just don’t understand WHY I should prefer a white tyrant to a black one.
  
  Sure, Republicans like to say they’re not racist. And most truly are not. But when the ONLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between the two candidates is cosmetic — when their policies ALIGN, POINT FOR POINT, on all the substantive issues — WHY, OH WHY should I vote for one over the other?
  
  Would it not be more reasonable to endure FOUR more years of Fascism, and then get rid of it in 2016, than to endure potentially EIGHT more years of Fascism, before we’ll have another chance to cut out that cancer?
  
  I’m not advocating voting for Obama, because I cannot seriously fathom doing that. But by the exact same token, I cannot fathom voting for Romney.
  
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Hugh Williams
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:27pm
I agree this should be decided by the states. I also think it should not be just limited to medical marijuana. Prohibition did not work with alcohol and it is not working with marijuana. And yes I like tye dye and no I don’t smoke pot.

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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:58pm
  Hey, whaddya know, Hugh and I have found some common ground. I, too, am all for this being an issue for states to decide, and I also agree with everything else you said. Except that I don’t like tie-dye, but I like weed (even though I haven’t smoked any in a long time).
  
  The fact that alcohol is legal while marijuana is not is simply ridiculous. Alcohol does more damage in more ways to more families than anything else I can think of – except, of course, for full-scale war. If marijuana were legalized and regulated like alcohol is, I think we would all be pleasantly surprised by many of the results. For one, the crime rate would drop drastically, particularly violent crime. Tax the heck out of it and watch our national debt drop like a rock. Many social drinkers who might otherwise be involved in tragic accidents driving home from a bar, would instead be at home already, stoned and cozy with a bowl of popcorn and a Netflix subscription. Dependency on chemicals like zoloft, prozac, and ambien would also dwindle to near nonexistence. Etc. and so on.
  
  I blame big pharma and big alcohol for the knee-jerk fear of weed exhibited by the public at large.
  
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- Hugh Williams
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:19pm
  WOOL-FREE VISION
  Great post… I agree with everything you wrote. Give tye-dye a chance it is great.LOL
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:44pm
  @Wool-Free:
  
  Yes.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:27pm
whaaaaaat?

Maybe it’s a Ron Paul country afterall

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- GoodStuff
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:36pm
  Why? Did Ryan praise Iran and bash Israel or something?
  
  Mmmmm fetus burgers…….
  
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- pissantno.10
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:56pm
  well soya bean you just proved the only reason you supported ron paul was for the dope. once a lib all ways a lib
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:01pm
  @goodstuff
  
  I would like you to post the links of Ron Paul “praising Iran” and “bashing Israel”. Post them and look credible, dont and continue to look like a lying idiot.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:04pm
  @pissan
  
  How did he just prove that? Soy is for states rights. Ron Paul is for states rights. Hopefully Paul Ryan is moving towards states rights. Seems like a win for the American freedom loving citizens and a loss for socialist and people who like like to be controlled by others.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:11pm
  Mutiny, one only has to read any thread on this site concerning our allies in Israel to see how Paulbots feel concerning our relationship with them. The eagerness of Paulistinians to desert one of our most steadfast friends now, in their hour of need, is all the proof anyone should need to support Goodstuff’s assessment.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:18pm
  Mutiny…Not that you Paulbots will read it but:
  
  Ron Paul wants to defund Israel along with out mega-enemies: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/16/ron_paul_seeks_vote_to_end_foreign_aid_to_egypt_israel_jordan_and_pakistan
  
  Ron Paul thinks it is OK for Iran to have THE BOMB: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-iran-bomb/2011/08/11/id/407043
  
  Ron Paul double downed on these positions and yet you Paulbots can never admit it. This is were he lost me.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:53pm
  @not
  
  Did you even bother to read the articles? Israel has the strongest military in the region. They are still our allies. Ron Paul never said abandon them or anything. Quit giving them and their enemies money. It makes sense to me.
  
  As for the Iran one, you clearly didnt read that one. He never said it was “OK” for them to have them.
  
  Step one, is to read the article. Then post.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:04pm
  award goes to Goodstuff. The rest of you werent even funny
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:13pm
  Mutiny…YES I did read them and YES I am NOT in favor of removing money from our only ally in that region. That is beyond stupid and it actually delves into the area of suicidal. I absolutely believe in NEVER giving money to our enemies but Ron Paul lost me at Israel.
  
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- Mutiny
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:24pm
  @not crazy
  
  Why does Israel need the money. They have a much better economy than we do. Their military is vastly superior to their enemies in the region. Not to mention we are all over the region.
  
  Did you ever listen to Netanyahu’s speech to congress in 2011? In the speech he was clear the only thing Israel needs is diplomatic support.
  
  Look it up and learn. The information is out there. To not know it is pure ignorance or laziness.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:10am
  “Mutiny…YES I did read them and YES I am NOT in favor of removing money from our only ally in that region. That is beyond stupid and it actually delves into the area of suicidal. I absolutely believe in NEVER giving money to our enemies but Ron Paul lost me at Israel.”
  
  You hate domestic welfare, But support foreign welfare. You hate Obamacare, But openly want to fund/support Israel’s socialized medicine.
  
  Here’s a hint : Israel allows/funds abortions.
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:53am
  Mutiny said: blah blah blah Look it up and learn. The information is out there. To not know it is pure ignorance or laziness.
  
  I DO know the information. Your argument is the Ron Paul argument that you all claim doesn’t exist. I didn’t vote for Ron Paul because I do want to fund Israel. I want to fund them, arm them, train them, fight with them against their enemies. I want to give them any and every advantage over their enemies that surround them. Their enemies are our enemies. Have you ever even looked on a map to see how tiny Israel is compared to the enemies that surround them. Why don’t you Look it up and learn. The information is out there. To not know it is pure ignorance or laziness.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:01am
  @Crazy
  
  “I didn’t vote for Ron Paul because I do want to fund Israel. I want to fund them, arm them, train them, fight with them against their enemies.”
  
  What’s stopping you and why do I have to be dragged into it?
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:13am
  @Just Angry…So you don’t believe that an ounce of prevention is cheaper than WW3? A sector of people would have to be extremely short-sighted to not understand that political/economic truth. There is a lot of our tax dollars that can be cut all over the world before we ever even started looking at Israel. Our international relations are critical to survival.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:28am
  No, I think any US involvement with Syria and Iran puts us at a greater risk, almost guaranteed risk of a third world war and a financial collapse on top of it. I’ve already been over to the Middle East twice and it sucks. I don’t buy into your end of the world prophesy, so again, why should I be dragged into it and are you volunteering to go fight yourself instead of asking the military men that swore and oath to protect our Constitution to do it?
  
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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
  JustAngry said “why should I be dragged into it and are you volunteering to go fight yourself instead of asking the military men that swore and oath to protect our Constitution to do it?”
  
  I wasn’t talking about our military in regard to fighting. You are not a good student of history if you don’t realize an ounce of prevention is worth every penny. The head in the sand mentality is what got us into a couple of world wars already.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:20pm
  Just is right
  
  As Syria does not affect our national security, it is a voluntary effort. I am willing to pay the monetary cost if the people supporting it are willing to volunteer themselves for this effort.
  
  Our current situation is that 99.5% sit at home and cry for blood – and many of them pay no net federal taxes. A country cannot survive like this
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:03pm
  “Our current situation is that 99.5% sit at home and cry for blood – and many of them pay no net federal taxes. A country cannot survive like this”
  
  @soy, We won’t survive like this. America is about to lose reserve currency status. Empires always fall and that’s exactly what “Not a crazy” ironically supports.
  
  @not a crazy
  “Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.”
  
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- circleDwagons
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:26pm
  @NotA. you should really listen to JUST. If you want to go to the M.E. go for it. Send your money and yourself, if you are able bodied i’m sure the Israeli army will take you.
  
  @SOY. looks like we have a new friend :) GOD be with u and just
  
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Micmac
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:27pm
I personally have a friend that finds that smoking pot stops his epileptic seizures, so it does have a medical use. The problem is that there are doctors and clinics that for $200 will give you a card. For instance, anyone can go to Venice, CA and get one in 15 mins. It’s the abuse, and the fact that the local governments like Venice, that are totally Progressive, have no problem with giving out these cards.

NoBama > MoBama

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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:30am
  Doctors give out prescriptions for pain pills to people who don’t really need it. How can the doctor truly know if you’re in pain or not? Once again it boils down to personal freedom. If we can outlaw weed because it’s bad for you can’t we outlaw cigarettes and beer?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:57am
  There’s an argument, which I believe has merit, that marijuana curbs PTSD symptoms. I do think there’s problems associated with it, but none of them are worse than suicide which is a side effect of all the SSRI’s they hand out like candy. If a veteran tells me they need to smoke weed to calm them down, I have no problem with it at all. I think anyone that does, is a dick.
  
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oswell
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:26pm
Great job Ryan, it should be left to the states, Fed anti-pot laws should be scrapped, as well as all the money spent trying to eradicate it.

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- NOT A CRAZY
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:36pm
  Or maybe the federal government should just decriminalize it. Why should someone in Kalifornia, Oregon or Washington State be treated differently on marijuana that someone in Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming or any other state?
  
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ktmrider1
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:26pm
chahahaahah smoke it dude, hey drollbonger ryan is your saviour. chahahahahahahah!!

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jhaydeng
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:23pm
Wow!!! It’s all about strategy now even if it changes our society!!!! Hang on people because I think you will be hearing a lot of stuff from unconventional places!

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cristo52
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:22pm
Wow, welcome to America, the land of the Free!

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9stuff
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:20pm
Kids today… It’s all that dang AC/DC Lead Zipper music they listen to.

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- this1can
  Posted on September 7, 2012 at 10:09pm
  I think the kids today would be better off if they played the kind of music obummer and family listen to like cee lo green. Is it OK if I cuss? What the f.ck you think about that 9stuff. Or is that your taste too. Love/pray
  
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- 9stuff
  Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:40pm
  THISONECAN,
  Just in case you do not realize, that was a joke.
  Notice I spelled Led Zepplin as Lead Zipper?
  I was playing on Paul Ryan’s joke durring convention.
  I apologize if you were somehow offended, though not sure how.
  
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