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Richard Dawkins Echoes Bill Nye: ‘Who Cares About Creationists’ & Their ‘Deep, Profound Ignorance’
Creationism and evolution have been hot topics of late, following a viral, anti-creationism video that was put out by scientist Bill Nye. The initial clip sparked a response from the Creation Museum, in which two scientists argued that both theories should be taught to children. Now, prominent atheist leader and biologist Richard Dawkins is speaking out.
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“I don’t think that religion has anything useful to teach us,” Dawkins proclaimed this week in an interview with CNN, going on to tout evolution as undeniable fact. “It’s as certain as the fact that the earth and the other planets orbit the sun.”
Of those Americans who believe that God created human beings and that the earth isn’t millions of years old, as evolutionary science contends, Dawkins claims there is a “deep, profound ignorance.” While he conceded that some smart people are, indeed, religious, he drew some important distinctions.
“There are many very educated people who are religious but they’re not creationists,” he said. “There’s a world of difference between a serious religious person and a creationist, and especially a Young Earth Creationist, who thinks the world is only 10,000 years old.”
Dawkins, like all atheists, believes that there’s nothing remaining for him after death. When he perishes, he believes that there will be no pearly gates, no afterlife and certainly no almighty God to contend with. When asked by CNN if he believe life “just ends,” he was candid.
“Of course it just ends. What else could it do?,” Dawkins asked. “My thoughts, my beliefs, my feelings are all in my brain. My brain is going to rot. So no, there’s no question about that.”
Watch some of Dawkins’ comments, below:
As for the question of whether children are damaged by creationism — a charge that Nye waged — Dawkins also weighed in. Naturally, he shared similar views about the importance of teaching children the theory of evolution:
You can’t even begin to understand biology, you can’t understand life, unless you understand what it’s all there for, how it arose – and that means evolution. So I would teach evolution very early in childhood. I don’t think it’s all that difficult to do. It’s a very simple idea. One could do it with the aid of computer games and things like that.
I think it needs serious attention, that children should be taught where they come from, what life is all about, how it started, why it’s there, why there’s such diversity of it, why it looks designed. These are all things that can easily be explained to a pretty young child. I’d start at the age of about 7 or 8.
There’s only one game in town as far as serious science is concerned. It’s not that there are two different theories. No serious scientist doubts that we are cousins of gorillas, we are cousins of monkeys, we are cousins of snails, we are cousins of earthworms. We have shared ancestors with all animals and all plants. There is no serious scientist who doubts that evolution is a fact.
Read the entire interview here.
(H/T: CNN)
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dlivelli
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:52pmWhy is it that those that believe in God do not usually use any nasty language or derogatory phrases when they describe atheists, yet the atheists always use that type of language towards believers? They are usually educated decent people for the most part, but when it comes to God they have this ….’problem’, dealing with it. The only thing I have to say is simply that you will find out the truth someday, right? I ask you…how much does it really hurt you to acknowledge His existence? If you are correct all you lost is a little bit of your time here….we all waste plenty of it. If I am correct…….I guess you will be pullin’ a Ralph Cramden…with the hammmina…hammina…hammina…. lip waggle! The Jews have a saying…”it’s like chicken soup…it might not help but it couldn’t hurt”!
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:59pmDawkins really needs to shut up. There are far more religious people than atheists. He has already spoken too much recently. I’ve read three articles about him in the past month…. time for him to crawl in his hole.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:00pmWhy do people reject the creation account?
The reason scientists and other intelligent people reject the creation account is due to the teachings of Christendom saying God created all things in seven literal days.
The Genesis account does not say that the “days” were 24 hour days. A “day” can be longer as in “in my grandfather’s day”, obviously my grandfather day was longer than just one day, it was a period of time lasting maybe 68 years.
2 Peter 3:8 informs us that a thousand years can be viewed as a “day’.
So, each creative day mentioned in Genesis chapter one could have been many thousands of years in length, and each of those days could be longer or shorter in their lengths. Then in Genesis 2:4 Jehovah God sums up the entire creation process and calling the entire time needed to create it all, calling it one day!
This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. Genesis 2:4
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dwilco77
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:03pmDawkins is an odd character. Watch Ben Stein interview him in the movie ‘ Expelled’. Dawkins has a profound, inappropriate hate of people of faith. The energy he expends in any given day hating those of faith is bizarre. He dfinitely has either a personality disorder, or psychosis as yet undiagnosed. His opinion should not be taken with any merit, or concern
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Kankokage
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:11pmEvolution is the how, not the why. The Creation story is a true parable. When we finally reach the other side and are given the IMAX treatment of the universe, we will see that science and religion are both right.
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believer11
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:20pmProverbs 11:2 “He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.”
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nevergofullpotato
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:24pmYou’re absolutely right there are absolutely NO christians damning atheists to hell, or trying to force religion down our throats. NONE of that exists in america today.
Of course Dawkins should shut up, freedom of speech only goes so far.
And by far I mean the end of yours. Since he doesn’t agree with your beliefs he should shut up. How very christian of you.
edcoil
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:48pmI don’t mind people of science supporting science.
I don’t mind people of morals and faith supporting morals and faith.
What I despise is people attacking the other as always wrong.
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:11pmI am sorry, how is Dawkins a nice person when he insults people with a different view. Why can’t we say he is ignorant and narrow-minded. This man hates God. That is why he cannot help himself insulting people.
I believe he feels threatened actually. Many atheists cannot stand the fact that there are people who claim to know God. It points out their god-less-ness. And because they cannot get rid of this threat to their peace of mind, they have to eliminate God and His followers.
Boy, if they only knew who they are taking on.
God has an opinion about these people. Ecclesiastes 10:2-3
2) A wise man’s heart is at is right hand. But a fool’s heart at his left.
3) Even when a fool walks along the way, he lacks wisdom. And he shows everyone that he is a fool.
He does believe that aliens brought a seed down to earth. That is how the evolutionary process began.
And he has the nerve to call us crazy and ignorant. Poor fellow.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:23pm“Why is it that those that believe in God do not usually use any nasty language or derogatory phrases when they describe atheists”
…umm excuse me? Now I know, as a theist, you have every incentive to turn a blind eye to the conduct that besmirches your own beliefs (it’s called confirmation bias, and it takes great vigilance to avoid), but REALLY, have you LISTENED to what’s said about atheists by theists? Have you read ANY of the comments HERE?! Pray explain why there’s never been an outwardly atheist President if the Christian majority is so “tolerant and accepting”? Pray explain why statistical surveys of the selfsame American populace (majority theist) consistently find that atheists are the least trusted and most reviled of any group in American society?
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:26pm“Dawkins really needs to shut up. There are far more religious people than atheists. He has already spoken too much recently.”
Because majorities are infallible and have NEVER done anything that turned out to be considered grossly evil in retrospect–NEVER in history has that happened. In fact, our constitution itself most DEFINITELY wasn’t written to PREVENT exactly this kind of majoritarian abuses of democracy–that isn’t the whole POINT of civil rights and the theory of liberal (as opposed to illiberal, i.e. absolute majoritarian) democracy, of which we were the first modern example, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Nope–you are absolutely right, majorities are always right and always justified no matter what they do.
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termyt
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:51pmIf he doesn’t care about us, then why does he keep bringing us back into the conversation?
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:04pmThis in a nutshell is kind of what most people believe about evolution.
They just don’t know that this is the account of their “creating” the theory of evolution.
Before there was anything there was nothing.
Then it (nothing) exploded (or chilled, a new theory).
After that “it” somehow organized itself into planets and stars.
The genius, that calls itself evolution then had an idea.
It arranged the planets and stars in an extraordinary way.
Thank God, oops! I mean thank Evolution, that it thought about putting a
moon and a sun and all the other heavenly bodies in just the right position
to make life on earth possible.
The miracle of evolution was that somehow a body of water managed to collect
itself in different places. That gave evolution more choice from which to
start life.
It stirred the waters of the deep and tried and tried to bring forth LIFE.
And then – somehow it succeeded. There was a cell!
Evolution somehow made sure there was enough light and air for this cell to
develop.
This cell somehow divided itself into all kinds of different cells.
The cell changed itself over and over again until it was able to somehow
crawl out of the water.
As it continued to develop it left some other cells behind which then
somehow turned into plants.
From a blade of grass to a rose. From one original cell.
Isn’t this absolutely amazing?
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:08pmNow through this process other cells were left behind to become bushes and
trees. From one original cell.
We are not exactly sure when this split between bushes and trees happened.
But the evidence that it did is all around us.
Other cells turned into fish, dinosaurs, horses, elephants, mice, birds,
fleas, giraffes, dogs, apes, etc. etc.
And then, – I can hardly contain my joy, – man and woman came to be. Yep, it did that. All from one original cell.
Now, we don’t know exactly how many generations of apes and monkeys were
deformed, and then later humans, and failed to survive.
When did evolution figure it out that two legs of the same length and two
arms are better then one short leg without a foot or hands without fingers.
How many times did evolution fail to get the eye, or the stomach right.
Never mind this thing called feelings.
How many people must have bled to death when injured, because blood cloting was not well developed. How many died before the body had the ability to built anti-bodies to certain things.
Can you even begin to appreciate the time it took for one man and one woman
to be able to produce a child?
I mean really, it is genius.
Over time the peni$ grew long enough to reach into the woman’s v4gina, deep
enough, shoot the semen to mingle with her eggs.
Only Evolution knows how the eggs came to be. All from one original cell.
What an incredible coincidence.
Well, there you have it, evolution: The survival of
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:10pmI am sure one day Evolution will explain all this. After all the fact that
we exist is proof of that it happened.
Why oh why are we Christians so stubborn and don’t think that all this is
perfectly reasonable.
I thank my heavenly Father that he gave me common sense to see the stupidity
of evolution.
It is ABSOLUTELY stunning that atheists, especially those who claim to be so
educated and into science, believe this nonsense.
Now, they probably say, this is our (Christians) explanation of what
atheists believe. And of course, they are correct. Until they tell us
something that actually makes some sense, this is all we have to judge their
believe system by.
This is the difference between Christians and Atheists. If scientists have
absolute proof that God used evolution for creating everything, we will be
much more open to that concept then they are to creation right now.
Another difference between Christians and Atheists, we have an open mind. To
understand the concept of a deity one has to widen ones mind.
They are much more narrow-minded, intolerant, militant and arrogant in their outlook.
We ask questions all the time. Admittedly, we ask God in His word, but we
also seek answers from history, science and other legitimate sources.
I doubt that they would consider the Word of God as a source, never mind a legitimate source.
We do share however, that in every religion incl. evolution there are things that are difficult to accept
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Shiroi Raion
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:14pmI agree, Edcoil. I’m not religious, but I’m sick of people attacking religion and acting as if they are superior. They remind me of the Nazis and Imperial Japan during WWII. They thought that they were superior too; everyone must be one of them or they are a lower form of life. That didn’t work out well for anyone. I condemn the behavior of the militant atheists and the Westboro Baptists alike.
They are similar to Nazis in that they accomplish nothing but unnecessary prejudice, hatred and intolerance. Live and let live. The atheists could try to argue their points without attacking people of faith, but it’s much easier for them to attack someone else’s beliefs than to define their own. Why risk ridicule when you can simply attack others like a childhood bully? Believing that aliens planted us here like some sort of intergalactic Johnny Appleseed doesn’t sound any more plausible to me. If they just stated their beliefs and stopped acting as if they were superiors simply because their beliefs differ, I would have a lot more respect for them. I choose to stand with morality, humility, and freedom of religion.
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hayesstephen
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:38pmOf course the world is not ten thousand years old. To those who believe that, all is well and good. To those who disbelieve its not, all well and good. I am a Christian and I do not believe the world is ten thousand years old, but I do believe that Yahweh God created this and all things, even time itself. I also know that some people cannot accept the KNOWLEDGE that Yahweh is Lord and God of all people and things. There is no other god but Yahweh. Now as they used to say in the old western movies, ” thems fightin words pard!” I love and respect Buddhist, Shintoist, all religions that their main tenet is love one another. A religion that teaches hate and death to others is of Satan not of my Yeshua or His Father Yahweh. Let the children learn hard science and let them also learn things of the Spirit, both are useful and needful as the other.
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GodFearingMama
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:06pm@ Leopold
Awesome… Thanks now it all makes sense.. Maybe now I can convert to the beliefs of Nye and Dawkins.. It doesn’t take any stretch of the imagination to believe all that now does it.. LOL.. Guess it’s arrogance and the dilution of not having any consequences to face that keeps their religion going.. The religion of science
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Shiroi Raion
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:52pmI can’t call myself an atheist anymore. I will not consider myself to be one of these people. I’m a non-believer, but the arrogance of these people disgusts me. They remind me of some people I’ve worked with. Some people need to try to make others look bad in order to make themselves appear superior instead of relying on their own merits and allowing others to make their own decisions. That’s what these people are.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:25pmThe soon coming resurrection/rapture will shatter most beliefs. I mean really, one day all is going along and POOF, millions vanish into thin air.
Next thing you know a hot middle east war breaks out and the chaos from these two events will be the open door for the anti christ.
Once he signs or enforces a 7 year peace treaty 3 1/2 years latter He will institutes the mark of the beast and any atheist or newly converted Christian (Romans 10:9-10) that refuses the mark will be killed.
Atheism over night will be extinct. Most so called atheists wont lose their heads and will worship the beast.
I did a video that everyone here should watch and when you do Google the articles I present in the video and keep them handy.
Here is the link below
http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
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Marine25
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:22pm@DLIVELLI
“Why is it that those that believe in God do not usually use any nasty language or derogatory phrases when they describe atheists?”
You are joking, right?
You have not read The Blaze much I see.
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pdw
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:34pmReligion could teach Richard Dawkins a lot, self respect, love, morals, but they would just get in his way. Attitude is why but then when you serve Satan it makes it hard to understand the truth.
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Hugh Williams
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 9:41pmWHITEFANG
You are absolutely correct. The book of Genesis does not literally mean God created everything in 6 34 hour day and then rested. A day to god could be anything? There is no reason for creation and evolution to not co-exist. It is proven animals and plants evolve. What scientists have never been able to prove is how everything started? I believe it was GOD.
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tucanofulano
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:08pmWhen was there ever a scientist trying to break down the doors of any “faith-based” organization ?
“Faith-based” organizations keep trying, and of course failing, to transmute “faith” into Science.
Science rightly tries to set aside un-provable “faith-based” mumbo-jumbo or hocus-pocus in order to arrive at “truth” supported by facts, supported by trials and experiments that can be replicated and verified. These things “faith-based” organizations never can do. Why do we American tolerate for even a micro-second the attempts of the “faith-based” organizations to knock down the doors of learning to insist their perverted views be somehow equalled with provable facts? Drive the ignorant, loud louts back into the pits and caves whence they crept. Exile them. Take away any means of them ever intruding again.
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scarebear83
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:30pm@ Whitefang- Anyone who uses 2 Peter 3:8 to try and justify believing in evolution and the Bible often take the verse out of context to the whole passage. The passage from whence the verse derives is talking about God’s promise (God is not slack concerning His promise). I suggest reading the whole chapter. It says nothing about evolution nor does the out of context verse prove that God made everything in millions of years.
As for Genesis if you ask anyone who is well educated in Hebrew they will tell you (including a Jewish professor who believes in evolution) that the word day indicates a literal night/day cycle. But in all honesty it comes down to who do you believe? Do you believe God who said He created all in 6 days or do you believe in man who can be and most often is wrong? I’d rather take God’s word for it because He is the one who gave us salvation, not men.
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Pontiac
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 11:49pm“WAHH, WHY DO PEOPLE REJECT CREATION?’
Same reason they reject the existence of Unicorns and Leprechauns.
“A DAY COULD MEAN ANYTHING!”
Nope.
http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp13.htm
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:37amI can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people try to explain the Bible and fit science into their own narrow ideas of what is reality. “Oh, god’s day and man’s day are two separate things”. What exactly does that mean? If it created the sun and the moon and the earth and divinely inspired men to interpret a day as a day, then naturally that day is 24 hours long. To say anything more is stretching it and an example of poor apologetics. People literally believe this interpretation to be true. No, believe this is not “all well and good” because people who go by a literal account of their religion try to weave it into textbooks to force the rest of us to buy into that $hit. It brings the rest of us down more than a few pegs. To mandate prayer forces the indoctrination of other people’s children. To refuse birth control to sexually active women forces your own sense of morality on everyone else. All you people do is shove your own idiotic beliefs from your uninteresting and poorly written book of stolen fables onto the rest of us. Pis.s off.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:38amscarebear83,
If you believe that God created all things on the earth in 144 hours then have at it.
I hold that our Creator God created all things over maybe millenniums of years.
For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night. Psalms 90:4
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:55amThe heavens and the earth itself has obviously been in existence for a very long time, perhaps millions of years, who know for sure. Towards the end of God’s creative days, he created the man and woman. It was then that the sixth creative day or time period ended. The seventh day then began. (Genesis 1:26-31)
Where does the Holy Scriptures inform us the seventh day ever ended? Obviously the seventh rest day continues, even some 6,000 years now. If the seventh day is at least 6,000 years long, then why could not the sixth day be thousands of years in length?
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elclemens
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:44amRichard Dawkins has knowledge but he lacks wisdom.Wisdom comes from God not from man. One day he may encounter the wisdom of God and he will be humbled.
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jhaydeng
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:53amHi, I’m Bill Nye and I’m Richard Dawkins! When we were born we knew everything about everything! So, you other people can stop believing and having faith because we have seen every part of every thing every where!! Ta Ta!!!
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Isupportliberty
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:17amRegarding “literal days”: To those of you who are saying that God didn’t create everything in six literal days and it might have been thousands and millions of years, I think you are forgetting that The Bible says explicitly after each day during the creation week that “the evening and the morning were the first day”, and second day, etc. My understanding of Hebrew tradition is that this specification is how the Hebrew language differentiates between the different meanings of the word “day” as opposed to saying “in my father’s day” which means an era of time.
And for those of you who think God couldn’t have created everything in six literal days, consider how all powerful God is. Time is irrelevant to God and He in fact created time. If He wanted to, He could have done it in one day, or even one millisecond. Since scripture comes to us through revelation of the Holy Spirit and every word of God is pure, I will trust God’s account and not the arguments of men who are fallible (yes, that includes me too). You can choose to believe differently if you want, but don’t call those of us who believe in a young Earth and God’s account of creation as being “unintelligent”, “ignorant”, “uninformed”, “crazy”, or any other insulting terms. Thank you.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:45amThe bottom line for me is;
The Almighty God Jehovah created all matter and all life on earth.
The Holy Scriptures tells us He did this by design and creative action, and it was accomplished in six segments of time. We are without knowledge and details of the process or of the time involved. All we have is the Genesis account. We do know that there are figurative expressions in the Bible and there are literal expressions also. We need to exercise our discernment and reason to differentiate between what is obviously literal or figurative.
No where in the Bible do we ever get the idea that evolution was used to transform one species into a new species.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:06amAn example of how the scriptures can use the word “day”:
Working together with him, we also entreat YOU not to accept the undeserved kindness of God and miss its purpose. 2For he says: “In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation I helped you.” Look! Now is the especially acceptable time. Look! Now is the day of salvation.
That “day” of salvation available for mankind to appreciate and take advantage of is now over 2,000 years.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:11amThat was from 2 Corinthians 6:1-2
Working together with him, we also entreat YOU not to accept the undeserved kindness of God and miss its purpose. 2For he says: “In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation I helped you.” Look! Now is the especially acceptable time. Look! Now is the day of salvation.
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DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:03amAnd who cares about atheists….except other slope-shouldered, lonely men living life without the love of a woman?
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jonnydoe
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:19amhttp://www.reasons.org/
Where science and faith converge
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qz2026
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:58am@WHITEFANG. The falacy is that prior to earth being created, how would the Progressives define the length of a day? A day did not exist until the earth was created – at least a day as we understand it. Of course, there is no way this happened in 7 of our days. Science has more than proved that.
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Pontiac
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:06pmWhen WhiteFang “remembers the sabbath” it’s more than 6000 years before he goes back to work…
All this shows is apologist will go to any length to make up myths in a vain attempt to protect bronze age myths.
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PATTY HENRY
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 3:36pmWhat is funny is that these couple of high-profile GOD-deniers have -0- proof that their EVOLUTION theory is correct, yet almost every amazing mind from inventor to Stateman, Author to Humanitarian through out the ages have proclaimed their great love of the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (not the Muslim faux god)…every great humanitarian has proclaimed their belief in and love of God…yet these
jokers
can’t
put forth ONE bit of proof that we evolved. They never have been able to do this. DARWIN was a proven phony. There is no missing link. IF people grew taller etc. they were first designed by the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, just as everything in the world, including all science was created by the GREAT CREATOR and our FATHER. YO, ATHEISTS… where is your proof???
YOU deny GOD because of your pride. Silly men. AND… why is it so important to you that others show their foolish pride too? SHOW ME PROOF!!! YOU CAN’T. END OF STORY.
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v15
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:03pmUmm..yeah…see I don’t believe the earth is only 10,000 years old; rather, it’s at least 4.3 billion years old. I believe there’s truth in both the Bible and Evolution.
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v15
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:25pm@THERAPTURECOMES,
Yes, I’ve seen your videos and your “Christian” website and I believe even Richard Dawkins’ theories are easier to believe that your beliefs. You’re just a strychnine-laced drink away from Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate – Yes, I genuinely believe that! Well, now that I know what you look like I’m sure I’ll recognize you when you make headline news.
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PedalGirl
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:03pm@whitefang…..
So what you are saying is that in every other instance where the bible says “day” that it’s a day as we know it, but that when it comes to creation… it’s not. This is the root problem with the Christian community … they have taken what secular “science” tells us (which is greatly flawed when it comes to creation) and try to shove it into the bible and what G-d tells us and make it fit. When you do that you undermine the authority of the word of G-d right from the very first chapter.
If there was no death, no sin and everything was “Very Good” until the fall of Adam and Eve… how do you fit millions of years of death, illness (proven in dino bones) into the creation. And before creation… earth was void. This is the churches downfall…
Educate yourselves… go to answersingenesis.org and watch the scores of videos that explain the science that makes sense and actually backs up the biblical account. Start with this video first…. http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/foundations/in-six-days-clip-time
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:31pmPedalGirl,
Examining the Bible to understand the meaning of certain subjects is not a sin. It is wrong however to swallow a false teaching or viewpoint if the context of the subject is miss-applied. Some adhere to a certain concept because of intimidation by their peers or thinking they are disloyal to God’s Word if they sincerely want to search for the truth of what is being said. Many hold to the thought (wanting to be loyal) that the scriptures says “day” so that’s it, end of understanding, end of discussion. Others say ‘lets see if the ‘day’ mentioned here is actually a 24 hour event or can it mean a extended period of time’. I referred to four different scriptures that indicate a “day” can properly be viewed as longer than 24 hours in certain context’s. If you or anyone else wishes to ignore those scriptures as meaningless to the subject at hand, then fine, have it as you wish.
Why do people insist on a 24 hour day when a longer period works just as well.
Our God did not need to hurry his creation process as if their was a time limit that must be adhered to.
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PedalGirl
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:23pmBecause the number of days does matter. When you go in and put man’s ideas into the word of god you undermine the entire foundation of the word. And then we wonder why this world is so secular these days. The millions of years thing absolutely does not fit in with what the bible says… he said there was day and there was night and it was the first day… it doesn’t say that it was the first million years. The bible says that there was no death and no sin until the fall… so again I will ask… how does the big bang and dead and diseased dinosaurs (yes, disease has been found in the fossils) fit in to the no death, sin and all was very good?
If the word “day” acutally means a 24 hour day in every other instance in the bible… why does it not mean it when it comes to the first couple chapters of the bible?
Do you not believe that the lord G-d of heaven and earth could create the earth in 6 24-hour days? Could he not have done the whole thing with just the sound of his voice in an instant? Why would the G-d need millions of years?
Believe me… I grew up in the church and had all the “millions of years” theories taught to me… the theory of how long a day “is” and the gap theory and all of it. But the BIBLE says that G-d created in the world in 6 Days, and I believe it. When I started to actually study creation science and yes, it’s a true sciece, it all made sense.
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Pigpen
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:12pmWRONG AGAIN!!! When he was asked if life ends at death, the article quotes Dawkins as saying: “Of course it just ends. What else could it do? My thoughts, my beliefs, my feelings are all in my brain. My brain is going to rot. So no, there’s no question about that.”
Again, Dawkins is SCIENTIFICALLY wrong and relies wholly upon Academia’s prejudices towards faith, religion, or even mystery to support him in his fallacy. The fact is that our thoughts, beliefs, and feelings DO NOT appear to be in our brains. The condition called hydrocephaly SCIENTIFICALLY PROVES*** that this statement made by Dawkins is simply untrue. –sigh– but ardent atheists only like to use the word “science” and never let the actual discipline of science to interfere with their campaign beat us Christians back into our cages…
*** http://www.belligerati.net/archives/2006/07/people_who_have.html
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 7:24pmPedalGirl,
You don’t really read comments do you.
You just react in a knee jerk and hurriedly start typing to refute what you think the commenter is saying.
Relax, we are not enemies, we are merely exchanging ideas as to how the Bible can help us understand the magnificent creation’s of our God.
He could and does whatever he wants to do. If he created the earth and life on it in an instant in time, He could easily do that but he chose to use the word “days” to do it. Let there be peace with us, okay?
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PedalGirl
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:40pmWhitefang, I do read comments… I know we are on the same side. I guess it’s just my soap box. This is one of those issues that most Christians are taught that it doesn’t matter and open for interpretation. I wish people would just understand that it does matter. The Bible is not just a guide, it is the word of G-d and if G-d says it’s “day” it’s a day. It’s a historical record G-d doesn’t just say that he created, he tells us pretty specifically how he did it. If you choose to try and squeeze man’s fallible theories into it rather than let the text say what it says … that, I supposed is each person’s choice. All I’m trying to point out is that it does matter, more than the churches realize. In short… all I’m saying is when you poke holes in the veracity of Genesis, you weaken the foundation for everything that comes next. (i use “you” generically) I’m sorry if you feel I’m being contrary… that is not the spirit in which I meant any of it. I guess this subject just really hits a nerve for me. And you never actually answered any of the questions I posed to you in regards to this subject. In any case… I’m off my soap box now. Night all.
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scarebear83
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 9:58pmWhitefang- If God created everything via evolution (day age theory) as you claim then why did He lie to the Israelites?
Ex. 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
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Pontiac
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 10:20pm[When I started to actually study creation science and yes, it’s a true sciece, it all made sense.]
Lmao. Creation is as much a true science as Alchemy or Phrenology are a “true science”.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54debunks
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stage9
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:46pm“I don’t think…”
YOU’VE GOT THAT RIGHT DAWKINS! They keep asking to debate you, to expose you for the fraud that you are, and you keep ducking and hiding like a coward. Spewing venom and cowering. Typical atheist.
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RDawkins
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 11:58pmDLV…Mighty Christian of you to say so…because there are sooo many delusional Christians out there that belief your fairy tale..it must be true..my invisible mass murdering skygod says so…
Isn’t it amazing that after the Devil created the video camera, God stopped doing miracles?
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v15
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 3:14amFrom Genesis 1:28
“Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, ….”
Replenish means to restore something to it’s former condition or to fill something up again.
I think we probably are the product of evolution and that we share a common ancestor with primates. Skeletal remains of primitive humanoids have been collected and dated. My guess is humanoids evolved over a long period of time until they evolved to the image of God and that’s when he put spirits into the bodies, thus creating a soul, and Adam and Eve. No one knows how long they were in the Garden of Eden, but my guess is that humanoids died of from disease/plague while Adam and Eve were in the Garden. When they get kicked out, then they are told to replenish the earth.
I think God works through evolution and all thing are led by a divine hand to fulfill the fullness of their creation. I’m not saying this is fact, just my opinion.
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ADERAM
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 3:59amThe opposite it true; The believers resort to name calling and logical fallacies much more often than atheists do. Even in the media, just look at the bias, the mocking, the aggression, and so on.
Reality is not a chicken soup – so if you wonder why atheists have such a problem acknowledging gods and fairy tales it’s because most of us are in the business of knowing the truth – it’s called epistemology, look it up. To know something you must use reason, evidence, facts. To believe in something, you should have good reasons to do so. Faith and wishful thinking have no place in knowing how the world works, faith is NOT a virtue. So yeah, we can’t just acknowledge some sky daddy with no evidence. I hope that makes it clear – truth matters, and the method is science. Peace.
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WhiteFang
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 10:13amScarebear – Whitefang- If God created everything via evolution (day age theory) as you claim then why did He lie to the Israelites?
As I claim????
You do not read comments either do you? I never even got close to saying anything like that.
Get one thing straight; I hold to the fact that our Almighty God Jehovah created all things. The false theory of evolution is destroying clear thinking and is unsupportable.
Read my comments, take the time to reason on what is said and do not jump to a false conclusion, ascribing words to me that I never said.
I’m finished with this right now ……..too much stupidity.
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Old Truckers
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 11:11amscarebear83,
Now you’ve gone and done it. You made Whitefang upset.
I’ve read all these comments and the six 24 hour creative days does not seem logical to me for this reason: Light from the Andromeda nebula can be seen on a clear night in the northern hemisphere. It takes about 2,000,000 years for that light to reach the earth, indicating that the universe must be at least millions of years old.
The earth is part of the universe and geology does support rocks being millions of years old. So, I have to agree with Whitefang on this subject. And yes I do carefully read the comments.
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Old Truckers
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 11:21amFor clarification,
A creative “day” logically had to be longer that 24 hours. And the Bible leaves room for that conclusion with the scriptures quoted by Whitefang.
The evolution theory does not enter this discussion, it is irrelevant.
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PennyCillin
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 2:44pm@DLIVELLI:
Could you cite the “nasty language” used by Dawkins in this video? “Nasty” is subjective, and Dawkins used no cursing or obscenities, so it’s important to know specifics of your interpretation.
Dawkins is annoyingly arrogant, hanging a distracting cloud above his message. He even tried to get atheists referred to as “brights” which was immediately repulsive, reeking of offensive superiority, and thus rejected by 99% of those without religious faith.
Is Dawkins trying to mimic Christopher Hitchens? If so, he is failing miserably, as his clinical brain seems incapable of nuance, irony and satire, the very qualities which made Hitchens successful. Perhaps Dawkins should stick with what he knows, i.e. scientific data; he would certainly earn more respect that way.
Your post asks “How much does it really hurt you to acknowledge His existence?” Could you explain how an atheist could possibly acknowledge an entity for which he believes there is no evidence of existence? An atheist would only agree to say the words to placate a human believer, as God would surely know the athetist’s true heart and know the atheist was lying, correct?
Your post says basically there’s no harm done if there is no god, but again wouldn’t God know the truth if a human claimed to believe only for the purpose of covering his rear…just in case?
Kindly explain your rationale and what God would think about false claims of belief.
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MzTazzy
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 3:39pmThose that believe in God definitely use harsh language against non-believers. And I have been the brunt of harsh language from Christians because I don’t go to church, started when i was child and happened to my children turning them against the church in their formative years.
@Whitefang – Young creationism puts the earths age at 6,000 to 10,000 years old. So you have to teach your “day is longer than 24 hours” to non-believers and Christians alike. It’s not just non-believers that reject that.
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followersam
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 12:13amMr. Nye needs to relearn the Rules of Scientific Evidence! There are literally thousands of impossibilities I can demonstrate in the Theory of Evolution as taught in schools. If Automotive designers, Aeronautical Scientists and Space scientists violated the Rules of Scientific Evidence the way that many of the Paleontologists, Physcists, Biologists and many Geologists, do, our best and fastest mode of transportation would be drag poles pulled by an Arabian Stallion!
The next time Mr. Nye eats an “ear” of corn on the cob, he needs to notice the occasional hole where a grain failed to mature and ask himself why that particular grain failed to develop! After realizing that every other grain, all the fully developed ones, were pollinated and the ones that failed to develop were not. Then he needs to think of how pollination occurs. After the stalk has matured, immature ears develop along the stem and a tassel containing plenty of pollen grows at the top. Each “Ear” has hundreds of “silks”, each attached to one immature grain. The silks hang downward. A pollen grain must attach to each silk and be transmitted through that silk to the individual grain where the male and female genes and chromosomes unite and the grain begins to mature. If pollination fails, the grain remains immature and tiny – a hole in the perfect rows of grain. Then he needs to ask himself how probable it is that something so intricate and precise could have ever just “evolved” without any design or p
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davecorkery
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 9:38amWrong. Evolutionists bring up facts. Creationist bring up legends from the particular stories they have been told. Worldwide, there are over 30,000 versions of how we got here. You know and believe in ONE. It was made up and you were told to believe and obey. Then you get upset and insulting when we bring up facts. You are merely showing tribal loyalty to your like minded brethren. But facts trump legends every time. We are winning, you are losing. get over it. Moving on.
PS: hammina, Ralph Cramden, Who? Must be a reference to some old, forgotten TV show or movie.
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scarebear83
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 3:08pm@whitefang- I’m sorry if you’re upset but the way you were presenting everything (and I’m scratching my head at this) was that you think the earth to be rather old like the evolutionists so I naturally assumed you believe in evolution. But I guess you don’t? So how do you reconcile a day being possibly thousands of years old and no evolution took place? Did the animals live to be thousands of years old or did He create the animals in their present form, let them live and die for a thousand years then created man? I don’t understand the belief here, maybe if you enlighten me to what you believe I can have a better understanding?
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joel228
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 6:44pmNo way KANKOKAGE. The day will come when we find out that most of science and most of religion both have it very wrong. Both believe in a beginning and both limit the universe and God. Absurd even on the face of it.
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joel228
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 7:21pmV15. You sound like someone that wants to cram two diametrically opposed ideas together. First look at Gen 1:22. The same Hebrew word translates to “fill” in 22 and to “replenish” in verse 28. Fill would have been better for verse 28 as well and in some translations and languages the equivalent of “fill” is used.
Also it seems a bit preposterous that Adam and Eve would have spirits but their supposed pre Adamite parents would not. ALL things are created spiritually before being created physically. The biblical geneologies list God as Adams father.
And do you really believe the fanciful tails of billions of years and supposed sequences of life? God is able to create resurrected life from non life in a matter of moments. How and why would he waste billions of years to get to what has existed in the eternities already? This earth is not the first and will not be the last of his creations. Really now, why cram theories of man against the revealed word of the actual creator?
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binge_thinker
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 9:54pmRIchard Dawkins is not just an atheist. He is a swaggering, mouth-breathing atheist. He hates religion with a passion and never misses an opportunity to level a blast at those who profess devotion to the Supreme Being.
A case in point is illustrated by an article authored by Dawkins which appeared in Britain’s newspaper, Guardian, four days after the horrible terrorist attack on September 11th. The title of the “misguided” essay was: “”Religion’s misguided missiles”.” This propaganda diatribe was published under the “mislabel” of a “Special report: terrorism in the US.” The article actually was an attempt to capitalize upon a national tragedy with an atheistic agenda. It was an opportunity for this specialist in “animal behavior” to demonstrate how little he knows about appropriate human behavior.
After a brief excursion into the history of “guided missile” systems, Dawkins gets down to business. In a satirical format, the distinguished anti-God antagonist opines that the best of all possible “guided missile” systems is that of the stupid “faith-head,” that is, the person who has been convinced that after he dies he can live again, and so is willing to sacrifice himself for a cause.
Dawkins’ disoriented rantings are but a further reminder that the atheist is like the proverbial blind dog, in a dark “smoke house,” looking for a haunch of meat — that isn’t even there!
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barryswhitehalf
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 1:19pmanother example of the fearful cowardice that persists within the liberal/secular ranks. They continually publish books and articles attacking the tenets of the Christian faith and worldview only to hide out when asked to back up the factuality of their works. Same with Richard Dawkins and his book “the God delusion”. He puts this book out in the market yet will NOT defend his own work publicly. I say this again, The Law of Non Contradiction is the WORST enemy of secular atheists. They will say that ALL life can be traced back to a primordial “soup” and that the Universe is 13 Billion years old. What they WON’T tell you is that by their OWN theory, 13 Billion years isn’t even a fraction of the time it would require of such a “dumb” theory. They will NOT discuss the Transcendant Cause of the Universe because they don’t HAVE ONE. They may try to throw out an Inflation Field as a “possibility” but the Inflation Field ITSELF REQUIRES Anthropic fine tuning. The secular atheist would have us believe a fary tale likened unto a person walking into the TajMahal and making the absurd assertion that the bricks, mortar and wood BY CHANCE, assembled themselves over 13 Billion years all the while failing to address where the matter came from to assemble the VERY materials that make up the bricks, mortar and wood that make up the GRAND Taj Mahal that is our Anthropically fine tuned and orderly Universe. Having a P.H.D after your name does not make up for such willful
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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:50pmGod cares!!!!!!!!
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:56pmjust how do you know this? no one, not Moses, not Noah, not Jimmy Baker, has ever talked to him. until someone does you’re just guessing.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:03pmUh, Moses did actually talk to him you dunce. He wrote 5 books about it.
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dwilco77
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:07pmIf IMChristian or I are wrong, no loss. I have had a great life, and try to treat everyone with respect, and love. If you are wrong……..
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:10pmSQUID – so did Harry Potter, what’s your point? show me some evidence!
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Dom321
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:57pm@philly and Dora,
Why is it then that , throught the ages, the human race has recognized that there is a supreme being?
Whether it is imagined, or not. You still don’t have an answer for the intelligent design?
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Cesium
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:55pm@DOM “Why is it then that , throught the ages, the human race has recognized that there is a supreme being?” because they have always brain washed developing children’s minds to thing a supreme being exists. When I was 6 or 7 who was I to question so many adults? All babies are atheists.
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:04pm@ Philly
And there is not a single person around today talking to Darwin. Nobody really knows if he even existed.
Do we really know if Napoleon existed? No person who knew a person, who knew a person etc. who knew him is alive today.
Do we really know Plato existed? All we have from these people is what they have written and what people have written about them.
Never the less we accept that they were real. We quote them, learn from them and about the times in which they lived. I don’t understand this double standard.
What the Bible has to say cannot be true, but what Plato said is true?
You see, here is the problem with people like you. You do not think outside the box. If you were to think, about what you hear or read and follow up on it, you might have come to these conclusions on your own. It is your willful refusal to apply standards you use for one thing to also use for others. Educating oneself really helps you to think more and then come to informed conclusions.
So please to all those who claim that Jesus did not live or that the Bible is a fairytale has to use the same criteria for making judgments about both. Plato and Jesus. Do Atheists doubt Plato?
Just because you say no one talked to God, does not mean that you are right. It is your arrogance that assumes you have some kind of knowledge about any of this.
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:37pmYou say no one talked to God, does not mean that you are right. It is your arrogance that assumes you have some knowledge about any of this.
I talk to God all the time. And He answers in different ways; by a thought, through people, or His word.
And here is the clincher, even by directly speaking out loud, to me.
When God revealed to me that He, Jesus Christ, is God Himself, John 14:9 “He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, Show us the Father?”
I was so overwhelmed by that discovery. As a confirming question I said: Jesus you are really God? He spoke out loud three words to me: “Yes my child!”
However, you don’t know me and therefore cannot assess whether what I heard from Jesus is believable or if I am a freak I understand that. I can hardly believe it myself had I not been there.
I only know one other person who heard Jesus speak to him. I really do not know why He blessed me with the truth in such a way.
I am capable of differentiating a voice inside my head to a voice outside my head. I am sure most people are capable of this.
……You know, I wish I had the ability to really share with people what Jesus is like. You would love Him. All my life I felt inadequate to even ask God a question. Who am I that He would care about me.
I know both sides one without God and one with God. I never want to go back to be without God. I rather die. Nobody has all the answers, but we have faith. And that gives us conviction and strength
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SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:16pm@ CESIUM….Ah my friend you know your statement that all children are atheists until “brainwashed” is not true. They have neither a propensity for or against belief because they are uninformed in either belief system. You love to stir the pot don’t you? You take care…
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strewth_cobber
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:31am@Cesium. I don’t know of many, err, any baby that raised him/herself independently of a mother and father and without their love and care, or some kind of guardian. Of course, one is aware that there are many single parents these days, and foster carers (some who do a good job and truly love and care, and others who are wicked do not care so well or anything good. Still a baby is cared for by a person. And true, children’s minds are very susceptible and easily influenced – look at the occult symbolism featured in many childrens cartoons these days, or look at the past with Hitler and his indoctrination of the youth. Or even today with the rituals/traditions of jihadist upon the minds of young children being brainwashed to be suicide bombers. God bless my mum, she never indoctrinated me as a child in the dogma and doctrine of her church. She gave me free choice. As an adult, I have chosen for myself to believe in the word of the Bible word! And Richard may speak on behalf of some scientists, but not all. I am studying geology, is that not a science? And we have a lecturer, who happens to be a scientist, who is very much a believer in the Word, but he just lectures on geology (at uni) and not the bible, though he may occasionally slip in how “awesome” God is in some description of aspects of geology, such as volcanoes. Outside of uni, conversations are not all confined to geology (that would be bore him!) :-)
God Bless.
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joel228
Posted on September 10, 2012 at 6:53pmCESIUM “all babies are atheists”? Don’t you have that reversed? Even a very young child can tell that a complex design requires a designer.
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normalmom
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:49pmIf someone wants to say evolution is a fact be my guest. However just because others believe in God and see the amazing beauty in this world doesn’t make us ignorant. To say that about people is rude and very egotistical.
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:24pmIt isn’t about putting you down for believing what you do. It is more about trying to show another side that actually has evidential backing for it, not “beliefs based upon a dogma”. Again, it isn’t about “putting people down”, but bringing people into understanding. Doing so doesn’t negate the possibility that a god being exists. One [or many] very well COULD, . . . . but truth is at stake, and many prefer to see truth in repeated outcomes of tests that agree, not in “another religious myth without any backing”.
Why does it matter? Our species wasted a LOT of potential advancement time [centuries ago] believing wrong things because the contrary was unpalatable to their church doctrine. Had it not been for that, who knows the technology we would possess today to create magnificent tools or eradicate devastating diseases.
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SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:23pm@ DEAVON…Hey my friend. There is a growing skepticism among scietists to the validity of darwinism in favor of ID. Here are 2 links to check out. This is the list of PhD or MD that have taught in one of the natural sciences and there are almost 900 now and counting…..
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/
The following site is a nice summary of their position who they are and their credentials.
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php
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v15
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:10pmBoth are probably right in many ways. Dawkins has unfortunately idolized Darwin so much that he’s misrepresenting what Darwin’s theory was all about. I would think that people of many religious faith could read Darwin’s book and realize that they agree with him on many points. Evolution doesn’t undermine religion.
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hi
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:46pmbees and flowers need each other. How did they evolve at the exact same time?
How did the clotting mechanism evolve. If you miss one of the steps, you are dead.
How did the heart evolve? What good is half of a heart?
Where did new genetic material come from to turn one species into a more evoloved one? Mutations are 99.9% lethal. Or, if animal survives it is either naturally selected out or sterile.
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:59pmi suggest you read a book. all your answers are there just waiting for you to discover. you’re not going to believe me no matter what i tell you. maybe you’ll believe the Scientists who explain these things for a living. these are people you trust with your health, for the technologies that you use, and who have figured out how to put 2 rovers on Mars. maybe you’ll trust them to educate you on evolution.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:08pmI’ll suggest the book to read, “Darwin on Trial”. A scientific dismantling of Darwinian evolution. When you finish try “Why Atheists from Philly Suck”.
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Cesium
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:12pm@HI based on your question, you are as incapable of thinking in terms of evolutionary mechanisms as an elephant is flying.
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 5:41pm@Philly
These people you list proof absolutely nothing. They work from the same premise, a false premise, and all come to similar conclusions.
When the premise used is false every answer is false. And you know what else?
A title does not mean one has wisdom. All it means they have studied a certain subject.
Also they lack open-minded-ness. In order to comprehend the concept of a deity one has to widen ones mind.
People like Dawkins are so impressed with themselves, that it is, I suppose, asking too much of them to consider other viewpoints.
It saddens me, how many people there are who willfully reject God. And don’t kid yourself, that is exactly what people like you do.
It has nothing to do with science, education, enlightenment or high-minded-ness. It is a deliberate act of refusal and rejection of God.
Ask yourself this question; if science can proof the existence of God, would you accept him as your Lord and Savior?
Right now all of you hide behind science. As if science is all knowing. Science is a field just like medicine, education or any other trade.
It is nothing special. Wait….. This is not to say that science is useless. It has given us many good things. Nobody can deny that. But it does not have all the answers.
So it is best to inform oneself from other sources. That gives us a wider view of the big picture
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momrules
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:42pmThe reason the universe and everything else looks designed is because it was designed by the Creator of everything.
Mr. Dawkins is an educated idiot.
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CMDR6
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:48pmFunny how Dawkins thinks that we are ignorant when all of these very educated poeple JUMP to the conclusion that there is no God, simply because, in their ignornace, they cannot explain how it all works.
Silly man……
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:16pmYou think the design of the universe and earth’s lifeforms shows intelligence? You have to really give it some serious thought, not just repeat apologetic webpages.
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momrules
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:37pmDevonreye……….You do not believe in God, that is your choice. I do believe in God and the unlimited power He holds with just a thought. As someone once said,” I could explain it to you but I can’t make you believe it.”
By the way……you are still in my prayers.
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:51amWell, momrules, . . . though we don’t agree on this subject, I DO respect the way you treat those who don’t agree with you. It is refreshing. :-)
And as for your beliefs, I will respect and work to defend that right. But yes, a person cannot be made to believe. It is a self revelation that I just never had when I was a christian for ~20 years. Perhaps, one day, I will. I am open to it. But it has to be significant enough that I say, . . . it can only be….
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Gonzo
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:42pmTell it to God Richie, you’ll be meeting him soon.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:49pmIs that a threat to kill Dawkins? I’m sorry, I can’t read it any other way. Dawkins is nowhere near death in any natural sense, so what other implications could you have?
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Kankokage
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:00pmAnd soon the war with the otters will begin.
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:06pmthe knower- just be quiet. I’ve seen plenty of gonzos posts and none have been threatening. Way to take it to the next level. Most likely just a comment on his age. He is fairly old. Also, soon is pretty vague. If we look at 2,000 years of history, 1800 A.D. was recent compared to 0 A.D even though many people would say 1800 was a long time ago. Even if Dawkins has a decade or two of life, still means he can die “soon.” He is 71.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:15pmYou right, I pushed it over the line. Apparently expressing hope that someone should be tortured forever is a perfectly reasonable comment that no one should criticize, only appreciate.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:20pmTHE_KNOWER, having known GONZO her for some time, I’m sure that he is in no way threatening Dawkins. It’s an assumption, but a safe one on my part to believe that he means that one’s life time is but a mere blink in the scope of all things. I venture to say that you are stretching to jump to that conclusion.
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momrules
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:27pmKNOWER………..While Gonzo does not need me to defend him I will anyway. I’ve read all his posts since discovering the Blaze and threats are not his style. A discerning person would have understood that Dawkins is an older man and close to the end of his earthly existence. Anyway, we are all just one heartbeat from eternity and when Dawkins does die and meets God he IS in for a big surprise.
Gonzo…….If I stepped on your toes or put words in your mouth, I apologize.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:02pm@THE_KNOWER
Are you threatening him? Are you as big a punk as you sound?
You’ll be meeting him soon too. Uh-oh! Back to basement and bar the door!
Loser
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Wango
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:41pmGONZO . . .You OK? I came over as soon as I heard! Are you alright? Gracious me but some people can be so very hurtful. Terrible. You sure you’re OK? Can I get you anything? Some soup? A snuggly blankey wankey?
I know you say you’re fine, and you may even THINK you’re fine, but I’ve been the subject of this kind of terrible awful downright violent attack myself and well, I was convalescing for days. Please, do me a favor, if you need anything, anything at all, you call me, alright? Promise? OK. You just rest now. We may need you and your manly manliness later to fight the forces of evil. OK, Tiger. Stay safe. Buh bye.
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:40pmWango- sarcasm much? I don’t even know what your point was. Gonzo made a simple comment and you just blow it out of the water.
The knower- Gonzo isn’t telling anyone to go to hell. It’s God’s job to judge not his. If Dawkins is guilty then he will answer to God like everyone else, plain and simple. It also probably angered Gonzo that Dawkins was being arrogant.
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strewth_cobber
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:01amGonzo, is perfectly correct in his statement.
Just to add, The Knower, we will all be meeting God the Creator very soon.
Are you also going to assume that I have now just made a threat to everyone?
For someone who, I guess, considers him/her self to be so highly evolved, you sure have limited thinking (since you “cannot take it any other way”.)
And what is the natural sense of when your number is up? For instance, recently some people have been killed by sharks off of our West Australian coastline, and others (as featured this morning in the news) swim in waters with sharks that have been known to attack and kill humans. Survival of the fittest?
Some smoke and drink till they are 102, others may lead a “healthy” lifestyle and exercise and drop of a heart attack at 42. Who knows when his/her time is up? Old Russian proverb says, person who does not drinks and does not smokes dies healthy. Not that I recommend smoking at all, or drinking
too much. After all, Jesus saved the best till last when He made the best wine at the wedding (as recorded by eyewitnesses). Be of sober mind and get drunk on the Holy Spirit! Amen!
Don’t recall any of Richard’s monkeys predicting the future of mankind, either.
Christ came into the world to rescue sinners. Excuse me, while I go up to the beach and observe at the end of this beautiful sunny Spring day, one of the God of Genesis’s divine creations – free of charge! A beautiful sunset. Amazing! Grace!
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Critters58
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:41pmWhen the end comes I am thankful to be in “deep, profound ignorance” because I will wake to eternal life of glory and you my friend will be in a very hot place without any water! God made the things of the Bible to seem foolish to wise men on the earth! Yet he made them very clear to us stupid people! Love my God!
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mike551
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:41pmWhy do these fools continue to call to call this man a scientist. He has one degree……… in mechanical engineering.
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:02pmWho knows? They’re all indoctrinated to the point of being zombies to the ideology, like the mass effect series.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:53pmI’m always amused when the religious use the term ‘indoctrinated’
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:02pmyeah, i think you’re confusing Dawkins with Nye. simple mistake i suppose.
Richard Dawkins
Dawkins in 2010 at Cooper Union in New York City
Born Clinton Richard Dawkins
26 March 1941 (age 71)
Nairobi, Kenya Colony
Nationality British
Alma mater Balliol College, Oxford
Thesis Selective pecking in the domestic chick (1967)
Doctoral advisor Nikolaas Tinbergen
Doctoral students Alan Grafen, Mark Ridley
Known for gene-centred view of evolution, concept of the meme, as well as advocacy of atheism and science.
Influences Charles Darwin, Ronald Fisher, George C. Williams, W. D. Hamilton, Daniel Dennett, Bertrand Russell, Nikolaas Tinbergen, John Maynard Smith, Robert Trivers
Notable awards ZSL Silver Medal (1989)
Faraday Award (1990)
Kistler Prize (2001)
Spouse Marian Stamp Dawkins (m. 1967–1984)
Eve Barham (m. 1984–?)
Lalla Ward (m. 1992–present)
Website
The Richard Dawkins Foundation
Clinton Richard Dawkins, FRS, FRSL (born 26 March 1941) is an English ethologist, evolutionary biologist[1] and author. He is an emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford,[2] and was the University of Oxford’s Professor for Public Understanding of Science from 1995 until 2008.[3]
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:45pmI’m willing to bet I’m far more open minded than many atheists. If the evidence leads there I follow it, but if the word religion comes up you throw yourselves overboard screeching ringwraiths (hehe shoutout to my avatar). Then you you will go into a tantrum about why the bible is the most evil abhorrent thing in mankind, looking for errors in it and not even bothering to tell the truth. Granted some Christians are close minded, I’m not one of them. So who is the more indoctrinated? Not me, that’s for certain.
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:39pmAhhh! The ignorance of geniuses. ‘The fool says there is no God’. Look at the fool.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:43pmYes, the Bible did say that. Now, is it true? Have you questioned that yet?
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PutMoreOnMyPlate
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 5:05pmEvolution and the Big Bang have no tangible proof to support their theory on how (in reality) 0+0=Everything. They give you crap on how randomness and particles just pop out of no where and somehow genetics learn how to break barriers and evolve species into beyond what they are. Yawn. Now if you have an alternate theory other than God that accounts to the absolute constant in the universe that is self-existing and never ceasing, please share. Because without the constant your math is flawed with the variables going all over the place. It’s a wonder how we even exist.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:39pmReally? I have some BYU profs I’d like him to meet and talk to. How arrogant (my brain is better than anyone else’s). Such a little man to throw that kind of statement out there.
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hi
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:51pmJL
Please go to the John Ankerberg website and see what he has to say about Mormonism. I pray you become a Christian today.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:35pmI follow Christ, so I already am, but thanks for your concern.
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:03pmChristian fight!!!!!!!!!
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Cesium
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:26pmReligion = sports.. ie competition.. funny, sounds like survival of the fittest to me. I’m sure glad god made sure not to enlighten all of us and only whisper sweet nothings into a few “sane” “white” people’s ears. This sure didn’t result in us being pit against each other for 1000s of years.. Stupid Design at its best.
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:47pmCesium- I thought you were better than this. I read you were getting some progress with sleazy then you make statement like this. I’m disappointed.
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Cesium
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:53pm@dvl I was getting progress? I dont understand? How can I be convinced without good statistical evidence? I thought that was crystal cear. God would need to defy physical law. for me, in my lifetime, while convincing me I’m not a loon for me to consider the veracity of the god hypothesis. I don’t respond to mystery. You do what you do.. Wishfully think. You can believe that sleazy convinces me but I’m sure you believe in a lot of things you would like to be true that are not. I understand you are thinking for the best..
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DLV
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:20pmCesium- I was more or less talking about the insulting name calling. You’re crossing into JZS territory with that statement. That’s what I was talking about. Maybe I should have been more clear.
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Cesium
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:03pmWhat’s the point of a stress ball if you can’t squeez it?
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DLV
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:26pmCesium- lol sooo what Christianity causes you stress and you just have to lash out every chance you get? That’s unfortunate…. I don’t call atheists names, and I don’t lash out at their beliefs even if they cause me stress. The only time I really get pissed off at atheists is when they make extremely ignorant statements like the one Phillyatheist says below. And even then I don’t name call, I just get visibly angry… Again, improve yourself for the better even if you don’t agree with Christians.
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AllLost
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:38pmWhy is Dawkins allowed to believe in what we know to be scientifically impossible, and yet an improbable idea is to be ignored.
Look, for evolution without a designer…ie intelligent design to be true, one must have faith in so many things that frankly fly in the face of science. First, at some point inanimate objects must combine to make living objects. There is actually a scientific law stating this is impossible which has never been proved to be wrong. Next entities of life at the simplest single cell level some how spontaneously develops the complexities of multi-celled organisms which have many units that work in complexity that is reducible and would serve no purpose if the entire work structure was not in place.
As I look at the evidence and the theory without design Dawkins and company might as well be telling us a chariot pulls the sun across the sky.
It is so sad to see intelligent people being so ignorant of all things plainly seen.
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RobbieTLHughie
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:42pmScientifically impossible? Huh!?
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:45pmEvolution says nothing of the origin of life. What you said is a non-sequiter.
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CMDR6
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:51pmgreat reply…it really helped me to understand your position and added much to the discussion……NOT
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AllLost
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:52pmRobbie,
Show me the science that proves rock and water become living things. Maybe read the findings of Pasteur. You know, that silly stuff much of our medical science has been based on.
So instead of stating HUh!? you could direct me to the scientific work that proves Pasteur’s findings incorrect.
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hi
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:58pmThe Knower
Evolution starts from the beginning. Your theory says helium and hydrogen were the first elements formed. Eventually building into everything you see.
However, even if I give you the wish to start at a primordial soup, you cannot explain life. With all of our efforts with amino acids and electricity, we were never able to create life.
Even today you cannot explain what happens when the sperm meets the egg and then “life” springs up.
We have been creating mutations in fruit flies for millions of generations. Yet, they are still fruit flies.
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hi
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:02pmAllost you are right.
That is why in college they divide chemistry into inorganic vs organic. There is not an inbetween.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:13pm“Evolution starts from the beginning. Your theory says helium and hydrogen were the first elements formed. Eventually building into everything you see.”
That’s not evolution. That’s not anything any scientist ever used to in an academic sense. You made that up. Sorry.
“However, even if I give you the wish to start at a primordial soup, you cannot explain life. With all of our efforts with amino acids and electricity, we were never able to create life.”
Yes, we also haven’t been able to create a star. Do you believe the sun isn’t real?
“Even today you cannot explain what happens when the sperm meets the egg and then “life” springs up.”
Not me, no. Biologists can, though.
“We have been creating mutations in fruit flies for millions of generations. Yet, they are still fruit flies.”
Scientists who agree with the terms of evolution aren’t surprised by this. Apparently, it takes way more than millions of generations for fruit flies to diverge into two separate species. Again, scientists expect this after they’ve accepted evolution. Why are you the only one who’s surprised?
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Cesium
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:34pmWhen I listen to HI trying to comment on data relating to evolutionary theory it is like listening to an 8th grader who can barely pass his algebra exams lecture us on concepts and applications of calculus.
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71FOREVER
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:37pmWow… I wonder if Mr Dawkins ever studied the Creationists believe. He is loud about how wrong people are not to believe evolution. Creationists and evolutionists are both looking at the same evidence, but with a different beginning point, or world view.
So the debate is not about evolution or creation…. the debate is actually about Christianity and Atheism.
And for Mr Dawkins… you do have a religion, its Atheism, which takes more faith to believe in than Christianity. If you are a random life form that has crawled out of the prehistoric ooze… what makes you think your reality and thinking is superior to anyone else? The ramifications, both culturally and personally, of your belief system have serious consequences that make no sense when it is all drawn out. If you believe (fill in the blank)…. than what about (fill in the blank).
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:50pmAtheists don’t believe that life arose from a prehistoric ooze, right? Or are you just changing the definition of “atheist” to mean what you want it to mean?
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:06pm“I wonder if Mr Dawkins ever studied the Creationists believe.”
what’s there to study? read Genesis a few times and you’re done. then look at all the pretty trees and see God’s work. i think that lesson plan would take about 20 minutes.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:13pmAnd you have just revealed your complete stupidity and bias. There is a ton of what we that love science calls “data” and “facts” that supports out position.
I suggest you geniuses research evolution. Every time some displays the scientific flaws of it, you claim that’s not what evolution is. Since you are the self-appointed masters of what the definition of macro-evolution is, you better tell your government teachers in public schools they are teaching it all wrong. Or perhaps you never took science in high school.
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:41pm“There is a ton of what we that love science calls “data” and “facts” that supports out position.”
really? i’d love to hear more. do tell. i’m going to get some popcorn and settle in, this should be good!
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Cesium
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 4:50pmI love when the religious try to exclaim it takes faith to be an atheist… I’m not sure if it’s changes to brain wiring that has ensued from imaginary thinking but they are really confused as to why an atheist would be outspoken about their position. All human groups try to create comradory, eg. like mindedness. Somehow an imaginary supernatural being gives that group the right to exclaim their views but an atheist? Nope! you must remain surrounded by us religious zealots and say nothing while we raise our children to be wary of critical thinking.” so that if they have a question or see inconsistencies in something they can always throw the easy answer (god) into it and be done with it. This is basically how you destroy fostering a scientific mind.
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71FOREVER
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 1:14amHey KNOWER…. you should read carefully, with the intent to comprehend what is written. You should comment carefully, with the intent to engage in intelligent conversation.
If you can’t keep from silly exaggerations then go comment to someone who wants the false drama. Don’t waste my time.
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Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:37pmDawkins is really the one who is ignorant here, and he is pridefully ignorant to boot. There are many, many brilliant scientists that believe in creation and an earth that is millions of years old. Dr Hugh Ross is one of them and he is doing all he can to dispel the complete lies of evolution from a purely scientific standpoint.
Ross is also doing important work proving the delicate balance of the universe, our Sun and solar system that makes human life possible on this planet. We are a unique creation if Dawkins would care to debate some real scientific study or creation. But Dawkins is a meathead with an agenda and probably just continue to purse his hateful ignorance.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:53pmAre those scientists that believe in creationism biologists? If they aren’t, it’s irrelevant. It isn’t their field of study.
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TheCalmOne
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:19amHowever the vast majority of biologists support evolutionary theory. You do know that, don’t you? Doesn’t that tell you something?
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PubliusPencilman
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:36pmAnother well written article by The Blaze! I particularly like how the article quotes Dawkins’s very valid point that plenty of religious people support the theory of evolution, and then how the article ignores this point to talk about Dawkins’s own atheism.
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JohnnyRaven
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:36pmIt is extremely blind to ignore evolution. Children play with dinosaur toys but where did dinosaurs come from,
outer space? People who reject evolution are as bad as Muslims who are single minded in their belief in prophets.
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:13pmthey’re part of the American Tea-liban. lol.
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taxpro4u03
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:35pm“Perhaps there are those among you who believe you are descended from a ape. Perhaps there are those among you who believe that “I” am descended from a ape. But I beseech you to find one among us who believes that ‘Caesar’ is descended from a ape.” — George E. Pickett
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Kyouri
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:34pmThe two questions adherents to Dawkins have never been able to answer for me are:
1) Where did this amoebae come from that we allegedly evolved from?
and
2) Where did the ‘B’ blood allele come from (allegedly no primate ancestor possessed that allele in the chain of human evolution).
Not being a particularly religious person myself, I cannot state beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is no higher source than we. Given some other personal experiences, I also will not say that there isn’t something after this life. My brain tells me I’m not arrogant enough to believe we’re at the top of the physical, mental, and spiritual ‘evolutionary’ chain.
Besides, science needs to give back their hijacked word ‘theory’. Scientific or not, it’s still a ‘theory’, not proof!
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:40pmWell said, thank you.
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WEBWITHDEB
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:43pmMy question for evolutionist is how come there are some people who are Rh – (i.e., their blood does not contain the rhesus monkey component)?
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Kankokage
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:33pm“You have to be a d!ck to everyone who doesn’t believe the way you do”
Apparently, Dawkins is now tagging Mrs. Garrison. BEWARE THE OTTERS!
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Sara123
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:43pmWell said. Dawkins should take his own advice and mind his own business for a change. He’s a self appointed wannabe thought dictator. Leftists are so disgusting and it’s no wonder that when they have power, independent thought and free speech must quickly be criminalized. The worse thing Algore did to the nation was introduce the myth that theories are “settled science.” If that were the case, we could close all the research labs because we already know everything there is to know. The world according to Algore and Dawkins.
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tweetybird
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:32pmHe sure is in for a rude awakening when he dies.
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CatB
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:40pmArrogance calling other ignorant ..boy they are all coming out of the woodwork.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:56pmI love how Christians just accept the eternal torment of people who don’t believe in God as a good thing. You know what? If I was God, and people didn’t believe in me before they died, I’d let them into Heaven because I’m not cruel. What’s the reason for Hell? Why can’t God just destroy it if it’s so bad? Isn’t he all-powerful, or what?
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:09pmthe knower- there are so many theological problems with your statement, I thought I got stupider. God is holy and cannot allow sinful people into heaven, that’s why! It’s a good thing you’re not God or else you’d be letting evil people into heaven, you’d pretty much turning heaven into earth again and we would be right back to where we started.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:16pmGod can’t allow people with sin into heaven? Why not? Is he not all-powerful?
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phillyatheist
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:17pmGod is easily fooled. i can be an Atheist all my life and just convert on my death bed, accept Christ as my savior, repent for my sins, and viola! i get into heaven! that’s the story, right?
God, what a pushover.
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Hawk_Hill
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:47pmTo: THE_KNOWER
I’m not a theologian or a genius but I’ll do my best to answer your question. God is Holy.
Q1: If I was God …
I feel the same way, but I’m not God. The wages of sin is death. I think this means spiritual death, separation from God. Without God there is no life. We cannot even approach God, because He is Holy and we are not.
That’s why Jesus (God) died for our sins. By accepting His sacrifice, accepting Jesus as Lord, His sacrifice cleanses us from our sin. We can approach God through Jesus’s sacrifice.
So the bottom line is God wants everyone to go to heaven but He knows it is only possible, if you are Holy. So He made a way for us, even in our sin, to become Holy. We still sin (1 example=pride). But God sees us through Jesus. When we get to heaven, sin will be a thing of the past but that’s a whole other discussion.
Q2: What’s the reason for Hell? …
I don’t think it’s something to destroy. I think it’s just to separate the unholy from the Holy. They can’t mix. I don’t think eternal torment of people who don’t believe in God, is a good thing. God’s son, who is God (Jesus), experienced death, to prevent that.
All good things come from God. Separation from God means separation from all that is good. What’s left? Hate, envy, murder, no love, no smiles, no laughter, no God, no life. That would be hell.
And finally, free will. He made a way but He wants it to be our choice, because then He know
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DLV
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:59pmPhilly- First off, even if God doesn’t exist, I couldn’t ever call myself an atheist like you because of your blatant misrepresentation of Christian theology and your unwilliness to learn the truth. That is an extremely arrogant statement . I’m sorry are you God? I’ve learned that for many atheists here are INCREDIBLY ARROGANT. And that is one thing I can’t stand! So, before YOU post next time really think about what you are saying because I lose all my respect for people who make such ignorant statements like that. I want to puke.
2nd- what you stated was factually correct but the way you said makes it false. God knows what’s in your heart. He does not forgive someone who doesn’t mean it and who simply acts the way he wants with the idea of pulling one over on God. Statements like that sicken me. Shape up or don’t bother posting on the blaze. Get a clue. Christians who make the same stupid statements make just as sick, like Git R Done.
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girya16240
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:18pm@ The_Knower- God certainly CAN let whoever He wants into heaven, but to allow sinners into heaven would make Himself a liar. Because He is not a liar, and is fully just, He WILL NOT allow people in. What people here don’t realize is they are being given the knowledge of the truth over and over and over again, and denying God. Check out Romans 1:19-23. Those who have been given the truth have no forgiveness in heaven because when offered eternal life, they willingly scorned it, spurned God, and threw it away, They ridicule and mock God, and insult the eternal love He had for us by dying on the cross. He died to save all of us from our sins IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM. The penalty of sin is death. He took that death upon Himself so that we might have eternal life, but when we don’t accept His free gift, we take that punishment of death on to ourselves.
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Fatheroftwo
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 7:25pmPhillyatheist:
Sorry my friend! It doesn’t work that way! You will still be called to account for your actions in this world and I think the very sadist sound you will here will be when Jesus proclaims that HE does not know you even with your death bed revelation!! I will pray for you!!
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girya16240
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 8:00pm@ PhillyAtheist – Certainly it is possible to be a sinner all your life and then come to know Christ as you are dying, and you will go to heaven. A classic example of this is the sinner on the cross next to Christ who believed in Him as he was dying. Christ said, “Truly, I will see you today in my Father’s house.” However, your attitude is more like the other sinner on the cross who scorned Christ, and did not experience eternal life afterwards. The point is, you must honestly make a real change of heart and accept the truth. What you are implying is that you want to just be able to sin all you want, and then say the words that you acknowledge Christ. But you are actually saying right now that you don’t actually believe it! God is judging your heart, not your works on earth, though if your heart is in the right place, so will your works. I am sorry that no one has taught you the truth of the gospel accurately. John 3:16 says “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish, but have eternal life.” I’d like to pair that with Hebrews 10:26 which says “For if we continue to sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.” Also read Romans chapters 3-6, which elaborates on my point that we are saved by faith, and continuing to sin after we know about God leaves no room for negotiation. If you don’t have a Bible go to http://www.biblegateway.com
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Cesium
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 2:03pmI like Hawks response ” god is holy” What does that even mean? God kills people because they were being “wicked” and didn’t listen to some crazy old cooters with a scroll. How about god treat us all the same and stop with the profit savior bs.. If you can make a planet you can speak English into my head and show me how I can also turn water into wine .. Then I will follow.”. I’m not going to listen to some dudes
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DLV
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 4:24pmCesium- You make another one here. I’m not impressed. You’re understanding of the bible is lacking. Check back at the Bill Nye thread and look for my statement about a respectable atheist response. Try again and stop making yourself ignorant with statements like this.
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Lucy Larue
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 5:29pm@PHILLY ATHEIST,
Dawkins is an IDIOT of the first order. I would say to you, Dawkins and ALL your Jackaninny ilk,”ALL MEN ARE SMALL WHEN THE STARS COME OUT”.
You are All FAUX intellectuals. ALL OF YOU! Got that?
I do not pretend to know the secrets of the universe as you do.
I DO know that Darwin was a pompous ASS.
Delve into metaphysics PEABRAIN P.A. Do it!
Darwin did much damage with his jerk(with)off theory
Just ask your fellow non human creatures what they think of the IDIOT Charles Darwin!.
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DLV
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:18pmLucy Larue- Don’t stoop to their orcish Nazgul level. Let them make fools of themselves.
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bgotts27
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:32pm“…why it’s there, why there’s such diversity of it, why it looks designed.”
Science can NEVER explain why; at best, it makes an attempt at describing how. Every time science answers one “why” question, multiple others arise – just like a 3-year-old asking “Why?” to every answer a parent gives until the parent quits answering any questions.
And there is a Reason why “it looks designed” that science can never answer – but which God DID!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:29pmMore of the same from the left and atheists. They cannot live and let live, but will tell you that you are wrong regardless and that you must change to their ways.
Remember, Darwin recanted his theories of evolution, and is buried at Westminster Abbey.
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Yuuperguy
Posted on September 9, 2012 at 10:17amSorry, but Darwin did NOT recant anything. Darwin’s daughter Henrietta wrote in 1922: “I was present at his deathbed. Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. . . . He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier.” All other family members present say the same thing. As for being buried at Westminster Abbey, this is where many great British citizens are buried when they do great deeds for Britain.
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LOGICALDAN
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:27pmThe Big Bang Theory – God Spoke…..and Bang…. it happened!!!
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:26pmHe’s 100% correct.
China’s government is made up of Scientists and engineers and we have “leaders”
looking to a book, written in the Bronze Age for answers.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:41pmHooray! Every take a drink. It’s the best drinking game yet. Every time an anti – Christian bigot uses the words “Bronze Age”, take a drink. It’s their new favorite phrase.
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usedCZARsalesman
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:45pmand China is doing well? You are as stupid as you are dead inside
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CMDR6
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:46pmDora the explora….do you also agree with this fiction writer (Mr. Dawkins) that the actual “beginning” was probably (which is a very scientific phrase) that aliens brought life to earth, it is his answer. But of course that does not actually answer the question of beginnings, because “where did the aliens come from” would be the next unanswerable question to Mr. Dawkins.
This silly, prideful man just keeps building the case for me that God has a sense of humor……
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AllLost
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:49pmOh Dora,
Maybe it is not The Book, or in A Book, but that does not make him right. You see he has a belief system based on faith and not fact. If you and those like you cannot see the truth based on the evidence at hand there is no hope for you. Your condescension and Dawkins comes with great arrogance coupled with ignorance. This never leads to scientific discovery, but indoctrination as any cultist would understand.
To deny that machines of complexity astronomically far greater than that of the space shuttle has no designer other than time, chance, and environment is simply too silly to contemplate.
Nope, I can’t tell you as fact that the designer is the God of the Bible or Koran, or that of an alien in a nother universe, but to say that proves the design we plainly see is not in fact designed makes me cry for the scientific community of indoctrinated lemmings.
But then again the scientific community is always so sure of itself when it is utterly wrong. Ask Newton or Einstein.
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LOGICALDAN
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:54pmYou mean….. like the Leaders who founded this country looking to that same bronze age book….and I guess….by evolutionary accident, founded the greatest country in the history of the world?? Yes…our founding fathers got all of their great ideas from scientists and engineers who don’t believe there’s a God! BTW…..If China is so great, why do hundreds of thousands of their citizens try to flock to america and not the other way around??
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:07pmAlllost, I noticed that you like to throw out the term “indoctrination”. Rather ironic.
Regardless, “creationism” is so UN-scientific that I am amazed that some people cling on to it with as much ferver as they do. Actually, I understand it. It is very scary to be a christian, “know” that your religion “has the answers”, but when science destroys doctrines, not much can be said other than, “I don’t care what science shows us, if it is counter to the bible, I choose the bible”. That’s fine, but the term “indoctrination” clearly lies with that person.
You call those in the scientific community “arrogant”, “ignorant”, and “lemmings”. Who’s the arrogant one now? Many of those who are tops in their field are FAR more informed IN that field, which is why they state what they do and do not agree with. If it is the evidence for evolution theory that they agree with, it isn’t arrogance! It is seeing the evidence. . . . EVIDENCE. You can’t be “ignorant” by learning what is actually REAL.
For those who want to hang on to a dogma [earth created ~6,000 years ago in 6 days by a supernatural being who simply "spoke it into existence"], then that is their choice. It is one based upon ignorance of reality, though.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:11pmAnd, how many of the Chinese have been hampered by being required to memorize a large number of Confucius sayings? Okay, Mao has been long gone now, but during his time he required everybody to learn these sayings to the point that they were required to quote them to state bureaucrats or pay the price.
The Chinese still illustrate that they have to steal technology and copy it, much like the old Soviet Russia did. The Russians built exacting copies of captured BMW motorcycles, and copied a B29 that had to land in their territory from a raid on Japan and low on fuel. This thing was copied down to the patches over the bullet holes from earlier missions. Magnificent R&D, eh?
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:12pmHolding up communist China as some standard to which we should aspire only shows how absolutely delusional you are. Privileged American nutcases who espouse such nonsense should be sent to live in China for a year before being allowed to leave. And I don’t mean in a posh hotel for the elites in Beijing, I mean among the proletariat, so you can come back and tell others how wrong you were.
It’ll never happen, but I can dream.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 1:59pmDORA GASBAG, when regarding those so called ‘Bronze Age’ writings you might want to take a look at some others. Marcus Vetruvius come to mind at first. Granted, a very short time after Christ’s life time, but in the first century AD, he was a Roman who wrote 10 volumes of books on architecture, city planning, and machines. Name does not strike a chord? Leonardo da Vinci studied his writings and from them developed the well known drawing, The Vitruvian Man. Basically, I have always seen Vitruvian as the father of ergonomics. Then, go further back to Ancient Greek times. Look to the Acropolis and try and understand the development of the Golden Ratio and how it played a part in the architecture of that structure, and how it still plays a part in today’s life. To make it simple for you, the Golden Ration is 1 to 1.6180339887, but you can look at your driver’s license or a credit card to see that particular ratio. These things were thought out and developed before the actual Bronze Age. Feel free to look these things up and develop an understanding of what mankind understood so well even in ancient times. Oh yeah, the rules of the Golden Ration even apply to things in nature as well as music. From this you can also look into Fibonacci and how he developed the Fibonacci Sequence, and how a Fibonacci gauge works. Very ancient stuff….like that Bronze Aged book you love to pooh-pooh.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 2:29pmBronze age, bronze age, bronze age, bronze age,
Knock yourself out.
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Leopold
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 6:05pm@Devon
Do you burn candles at the altar of science too?
Would you accept God’s existence if science had proof of God?
This is the ultimate question. Do you reject God straight out or do you have an open mind. Can you see yourself accepting God if you knew He is real?
When you have answered that question to yourself then at least you know what your motivation for unbelief is based on. That is called making an informed decision.
Give it a try. You might be surprised at yourself. Good luck!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:58amDORA-GASBAG, I see that you have your head stuck in your ass as usual. You after all brought up the Bronze Age statement.
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 8:45amLeopold, I have no issues with agreeing with what has a measure of truth to it, . . . but it would have to be a fairly significant measure, not just “a strong belief”. So yes, I absolutely have an open mind. To be firm on “not believing, and that’s final!”, . . . is a TOO arogant of stance to take.
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kickagrandma
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:25pmA democrat?
I’m sure GOD must be very sad at this man’s arrogance and ignorance.
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The_Knower
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:47pmSo sad, in fact, that when Mr. Dawkins dies, He’ll send him to Hell to be tortured. Why? Because he had the gall to not know that God exists. That’s the worst thing anyone can possibly do and anyone who does it deserves eternal torture.
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Wango
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 3:42pmThe Knower . . . Now why would a merciful God do such a thing? And why would you take such glee in it?
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TheCalmOne
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 12:09amPoor God. Maybe he’ll have a little sob.
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dave3433
Posted on September 8, 2012 at 6:52pmI have a question for all. Does it take more faith to believe that we came from nothing (ie., a cosmic roll of the dice) or, that we came from something (or someone)? Thanks, Dave
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grayling646
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:24pmWhen i saw the headline I asked, “Who is Richard Dawkins?”.
I came to the story and saw his picture. “Oh, him.” I said.
See y’all at the next story.
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grayling646
Posted on September 7, 2012 at 12:32pm…ummm, one more comment to Billy Hallowell. Your headline did not enrage me. Sorry.
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