Megachurch Pastor Rick Warren Warns of Socialism: ‘People Who Don’t Know God Make Government God’
Pastor Rick Warren speaks at The Elton John AIDS Foundation and UNAIDS breakfast at the Russell Senate Office Building on July 24, 2012 in Washington, DC. (Credit: Getty Images North America)
As the topic of religion has once again thrust itself into the national spotlight leading up to the 2012 presidential election, megachurch Pastor Rick Warren warned his church on Sunday to consider four anti-Christian worldviews that are creeping into American culture when they go to the polls in November: materialism, hedonism, individualism and collectivism/socialism, the Christian Post reports.
“People who don’t know God make government god,” Warren said about socialism to thousands of people at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif. “The highest thing they can think of to make the world a better place is not the church, it’s not God, it’s government.”
He continued: “What I’ve discovered is this: politics is the religion of people who don’t know God…They treat it as everything. Again, there’s nothing wrong with politics; it’s just not the savior.”
Warren also told Christians not to “apologize” for voting for the candidate that shares their worldview, saying the three “non-negotiables”are life, sex and marriage, according to the Post.
“You don’t need to apologize for voting for a Christian worldview which stands up for the sanctity of life, the sanctity of sex and the sanctity of marriage. You don’t need to apologize for that because everybody votes what they believe,” Warren explained.
Christians may disagree with others on issues like the economy and health care reform, but Warren said believers have to be courageous and protect the unborn, traditional marriage and view sex as a holy gift from God.
“If you call yourself a Christian, you need to line up with what God says is the original intent of all three of these things,” he preached.
Warren is not a Republican. He’s a registered independent and says he will never endorse a candidate for president. However, he encouraged all Christians to make their decisions based on the knowledge found in the Bible because it is only thing that “will never lie to you.”
Warren’s sermon, coming shortly after the end of the Republican and Democratic National Conventions, was extra politically charged on Sunday. He told Saddleback Church members to review the official party platforms of both the Democrats and Republicans to determine which party will make decisions based on the principles of Christianity and the Bible.
The Christian Post provides a little insight on the stark differences between the Democratic and GOP platforms:
Both political parties released vastly different platforms. The GOP platform supports the sanctity of human life and traditional marriage and includes stronger anti-pornography language. Democrats, meanwhile, support “a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion,” and, for the first time ever, same-sex marriage in their platform.
“‘Well, I like that guy’ – that’s a stupid reason to vote for somebody,” Warren said in his sermon. “You need to know their worldview. Read their platforms. And then vote your worldview.”
But Warren told his congregation he knows the Christian faith and its principals are not exactly popular in some circles and is under attack across the globe, adding that the sanctity of life, sex and marriage are “three aspects of the Christian worldview that are hated by this world.”
“Most Christians clam up and shut up because they’re afraid to even stand up,” he added.
Warren recently cancelled plans to host a forum with both President Obama and his GOP rival Mitt Romney in August, due to what he called a lack of civility from both campaigns.
“If ever there was a message that you need in today’s culture, God would say this to you about your faith – don’t be afraid, keep on speaking, do not be silent,” the pastor said. “Everybody else is telling you their worldview. Why should Christians cower in cowardice?”
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Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:43pmrick warren is a mammon-worshipper gods not on conservatives side never was
the time is coming remember the republican platform starving the beast starving the republic~
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Komponist-ZAH
Posted on September 12, 2012 at 5:48amMolotov/Socialism.kills/My-Latin-is-too-rusty-and-I-don’t-really-care—
One question:
Why the English lions?
A nice fleur-de-lis would seem more appropriate for you…
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Micmac
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:36pm@ GOODSTUFF
Govt. as god is part of the Utopian program. This is not a new idea, but a cornerstone. Another cornerstone is the govt. is your family. Think of Hitler’s Germany and Hitler’s Children turning in their parents. This is all old hat, bound to repeat itself if you don’t history. How about Al Gore telling kids to not listen to their parents a few years ago. All by design and on the utopian platform. This has been in the works for almost 50 years and now the hold cards have been shown.
NoBama > MoBama
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v15
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:24pmApologies. I must have ADD. I was searching for a website that was taking donations for “Mark Owen” and somehow I came across that story.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:23pmTypical Christian, pointing their finger at someone when there are 4 pointing back at you.
How many “Christians” on here are receiving a government check (military, fed, state, local, pension), government sub-contractor check, subsidy check, social security/medicare check?
If you are, your no more a Christian then the children of Baal, throwing your children, grandchildren and future generations into the fire. Your the professional government (God) worshipers.
How can you look at yourselves in the mirror?
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girlnurse
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:33pmWhy shouldn’t a Christian accept a pension that they worked hard to put the money into it and did not have a choice to opt out? We are not “of this world” but we are “in the world” and we can’t help that. You want us to kill ourselves? or eat the grass or what? lol
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:34pmMaybe when his church starts paying taxes, you know the whole rendering unto Caesar thing, I might buy what he considers his God.
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v15
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:40pm@freeberty, Sup hater. I don’t receive any support from the federal or state government. I don’t rely on them to live my life. Is it okay if I look in the mirror?
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:44pmI am a Christian, and I’m not getting a dime from the government, nor have I ever in all of my 43 years. One of the reasons that I refuse handouts is so that I can tell statist jerks like you to go to hell with a clean conscience. So, go to hell, you ignorant statist jerk!
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:49pmSorry, just have this thing about parasites, government or religious.
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:57pmI apologize for calling you an ignorant statist, when apparently you are an ignorant atheist. You can understand my confusion when you, apparently, believe that no one can live without government handouts. So, again, please forgive my misguided assumption that you are a statist.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:58pmWoolfree,
Definitely not a statist, could care less that your a Christian, as long as you not stealing money out of my pocket or telling me what to do
I guess 1 out of 2 isn’t bad, lol
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:00pmWool free,
I don’t think your reading comprehension is high enough to be calling anyone, anything.
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girlnurse
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:01pmYea yer right. I Guess I’ll tell my dad to give back that military pension he risked his life for so you can say what yer sayin…..jus sayin
David did slew Goliath did he not?
I know the wars we fight now are bogus money makers but it hasn’t always been that way..
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:05pmYou should probably also backtrack your suggestion that somehow military paychecks and government contract payments are in any way, shape, or form something to be ashamed of. Our military personnel deserve every dollar they get and in most cases they deserve more. They CERTAINLY deserve better treatment from our current Commander-in-Chief and the buttkissers at the Pentagon.
Really, there is a lot wrong with what you said, too much for me to bother with rebutting. Your comment was really horribly stupid, and I’m pretty sure you didn’t think at all before lashing out at Christians and American patriots.
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Satrix
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:10pmWho is and who is not a Christian is beside the point. Warren is simply making a valid observation that if God is not the supreme authority then people by nature revere the government as the supreme authority. What’s the hard part?
Even if I were an atheist, I would want everyone to believe in God so the government would not be considered the highest authority.
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:18pmGod knows his people need to work. Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods.
The difference is who is your master, who do you serve…? Government or God. True! I served my country and even felt it my duty to do so, but I did not worship the very thing I served…its a fine line, when it came to getting ahead, for the most part, I put my faith in God to position me well, temper my attitude and guide me. When I did that, I flourished, when I did not I paid the price alone.
Where your heart is is where your allegiance is. True Christians who put down roots know the difference but its not easy in a world full of deceptions so go easy when you judge anyone accepting a paycheck from government or a pension they earned by doing the work required of them via contract which is a legal and honest form of conducting work versus someone who claims to be a Christian but robs banks on the side. There is a big difference my friend.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:20pmWoolfree,
Now your pulling out the the old patriot gambit, that’s the best your limited intelligence can come up with?
Why don’t you ask Obama or Tom Coburn how big of a welfare jobs program the military has become?
Just go ahead and keep committing prolicide with the best of them.
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LuvsYeshua
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:22pm“Maybe when his church starts paying taxes . . .”
They aren’t producing a product and selling it above cost for profit or providing services for a price, and the pastor pays personal income taxes on the salary that the elders deem he should have. We take our money after we pay taxes on it and give it to our church to provide a place of worship and for the church to give to local and global causes. If that money is taxed again, actual needy families will go without––not just the lazy, like our taxes pay for. I manage the books at my church and the pastor takes the same salary no matter how much is donated to the church. He drives a rusty old ’88 Ranger and lives in a small 2 bedroom house in a not-so-nice neighborhood.
Much of Rick Warren’s money––and several other pastors––make money on speaking engagements and book deals, which they pay personal income taxes on. The second a church starts selling products and services for profit then they lose their 501(c)(3) status, as they should. And believe me, the IRS checks.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:23pmSatrix,
Exactly, and if your receiving money from the government then we already kind of know who your God is.
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grayling646
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:27pmFreebie, were you trying to make me feel guilty or were you convincing yourself that you’re smarter than me…or both?
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:34pmNo, I don’t need to hear anything from Obama, Tom Coburn, or your ignorant mouth. I’ll tell you what I am going to do: I am going to stop wasting my time responding to an obvious zealot other than to point out that if you are going to call someone on reading comprehension and limited intelligence, you should first remove the enormous plank from your own eye. The plank that I’m referring to, in this case, is your repeated misuse of the word “your.” I wasn’t going to mention it, but you have screwed it up in every single comment where you meant “you’re.”
Have a nice night worshipping at the altar of Ron Paul.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:36pmWow, some of you people come across as being real honorable about participating in a known ponzi scheme.
Maybe that’s why the broodmare in section 8 won’t give up her government check either.
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freeberty
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:58pmWoolfree,
Thanks, my wife also corrects me on the your, you’re, there, their, they’re, thing, (so confusing)
Anyway your’re? right, past your? bed time, best to leave the serious talk to the adults.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:23pm@Freeberty
Whats up brother. I know where you were going with that original post so this might not be a shocker to you – here is a quote i heard not too long ago….
“The more money you take from the coffers of the state…..The better libertarian you are”
- Walter Block
Now, obviously we are talking about bankrupting the beast (since “starving the beast” has not worked)…A lot of people taking money from the government, and most are doing it out of ignorance – but maybe there are a few who do it because it brings us closer to fixing it….you know?
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:28am@WOOL-FREE
Really? You’ve NEVER accepted government money or benefits? So I take it then that you’ve never: (1) Sent your children to public school or gone to public school yourself; (2) Driven a car on the roads of this country; (3) Called the police, fire department, or emergency medical responders; (4) Been before a court to assert your legal rights, possibly with government paid representation on your behalf; (5) Had an immunization, thus taking advantage of legislative enactments ensuring the availability and affordability of what would otherwise be a profitless, or virtually profitless, service; (6) Been married or enjoyed the legal privileges thereof, again requiring legislative enactment and enforcement for it (marriage) to be anything more than mere ritual recognition of a certain caliber of relationship (which could and does exist independent the ritual); (7) Enjoyed economic allowances for having children, which normally would only have wholly negative economic cost while children at least (whereas under the status quo, the government allows you to keep more of the money you would normally be required to give up to enjoy and help pay for all these benefits and more–without this deduction, you would solely lose money for having children); (8) Rented books, movies, music, etc. from the library at little to no cost to yourself.
All of these things ONLY exist because of the government, benefit those who use them, and are not paid for solely by you.
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 12, 2012 at 12:10pmArchon, you’re a moron. You stretch and twist and reach to find SOME WAY that someone should be beholden unto the government. In answer to all of you stupid points:
(1) I attended public school for 9 of my 12 years, for which I and my parents have paid a hundredfold through taxes.
(2) Of course I drive on the roads paid for by my property taxes, license fees, and income taxes.
(3) Never had to call police or emergency responders, though I have certainly been harrassed by them.
(4) No.
(5) Immunizations? Man, you’re pathetic! Not since I was a child (again, paid for a hundredfold).
(6) Never been married.
(7) Don’t have kids.
(8) I do not partake in the public library’s offerings.
None of this has ANYTHING TO DO with the discussion we were having, as the few examples you have struggled to bring into this discussion have all been paid for a hundred times over through the thousands and thousands of dollars of income taxes, property taxes, and fees that I have given up willingly.
I have gladly paid my taxes, my renderings unto Caesar, and I am happy to pay more into the system than I take out of it. But I believe that the federal government is criminally overstepping their authority when they want to use my taxes to fund every despicable act under the sun, such as abortion, condoms for promiscuous sluts, and free healthcare for deadbeats.
Infrastructure? Fine. Socialism? Go to hell!
You are a moron, and a tardy one at that.
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didyouknow
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:04amPerfect. Glorious. And well said.
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riversong
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:21pmThe Apostle Paul in the Bible said I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. We can’t put words into Warren’s mouth. But I can tell you this coming from me: Warren will vote for Romney as the best choice for President if he voting. I can’t see any Christians in their right spiritual mind will vote for Obama for all his anti-biblical viewpoints and all the anti-Christian bills he passed. Obama is the most hostile anti-Christian in History as proven by his records. Even the anti-Christ can get everyone deceived, and even Satan knows the Bible. Not saying Obama is the anti-Christ, but could Obama be ushering in the anti-Christ as Obama for one world government?? I am not saying he is. For me to be on the safe side and protecting myself I am voting for Mitt Romney. I do not want anything to do with any possible connection to 666. I got to vote what’s right. Everyone else got a real choice to make which I can’t make for them. I am making mine.
regards
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:34pmFunny how you keep on citing the Antichrist Paul. Not an Apostle because the Apostles represent the Twelve children of Jacob. But you like the Antichrist because his teachings are easier to swallow than Jesus’ teachings. Therefore you are working over time trying to get Paul off the lake of fire.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:38pmSo you see [Timothy] never traveled with Paul in the flesh, because Timothy is a spiritual brother, but not Paul’s brother, and Paul twisted the meaning of Timothy into being Paul’s brother, because to trick Timothy because we are supposed to love our brother. Since Timothy was to come later and the elders laid hands on Timothy – I don’t think he needs Paul’s advice.
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SUNTZU
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:38pmGods will be done no matter who is President
Back in the 70′s I said,the only way we would get to a oneworld gov.
is through the distruction of the U.S.
WELL…
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:57pmPaul has said to circ umcise the flesh. But it’s supposed to be the spirit, because Satan is in all men, because men are not righteous. But because Paul said “The flesh” and that’s what he taught, then watch how people give things up for Lent, but things they can keep far from them, or if it is near in reach it’s actually something that doesn’t mean very much. Paul’s teachings are a prerequisite to burqas.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:59pmYou circu cise your heart, or called your spirit, and you don’t circ umcise the flesh.
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German-AmericanSS
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:18pmAnything can happen in politics, I’m not voting period. However, recognise that the rapture will take place before any tribulations. If you are a rightious child of God, you will not be here. Protect yourself by having faith in God.
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:24pmPaul was chosen by Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus. I think you’d be well served to read up on Paul formerly known as Saul who persecuted Christians until he himself a Roman educated citizen and Pharasee had a visit from the Lord who found him and changed him from being ignorant to being a righteous man spreading the gospel of Jesus to the very end.
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NewLife56
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:20pmA Little late to the game, but its good to finally have you aboard Reverend
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westtitus
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:28pmIt’s about TIME! Like you said a little late in the game though.
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booger71
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:26pmI know, I thought he was a buddy of Barry
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:17pmRick, leave the preaching in church.
It has no place in a secular society.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:28pmShould I say leave your liberal posts elsewhere
they have no place on a conservative site
not to mention those that OWN it to be men of faith!
Foolishness it would be, as you can post where you will.
And so be it with preaching in a CHRISTIAN NATION founded on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES and the reason obomination wants to fundamentally change it
but then you be happy!
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gac1218
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:28pmAnd look where that atttitude has gotten us.
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v15
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:32pmDora, he was speaking to the members of his church while IN his church. The top photo is when he was invited to speak. Dora….all of that hate inside is just going to eat you up. You can let it go if you decide to and you’d be much happier. Just sayin’
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kaydeebeau
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:34pmUh – Dumb Dora – http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/PrimarySources/MayflowerCompact.php
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girlnurse
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:35pmDORA: Go grab one of your dollar bills (if u have one). Read it. It says “In GOD we trust”.
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AxelPhantom
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:58pmSo reverend Wright should also follow your advice?
How about all those “community organizers” that insert themselves into churches to recruit people to their political causes?
-OR Axelrod suggesting that the Obama Campaign put together a little piece decrying the evils of Mormonism and sending it to Evangelical Churches so that it can be viewed in the pews?
At this point, I would say you libs should get as good as you give.
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RealLiibertarian
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:09pm4Truth-And so be it with preaching in a CHRISTIAN NATION founded on CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES —Rubbish! We are secular nation founded on the principle of freedom. As such we have the freedom to ignore these pastors and their flocks who wish to inflict theocracy upon us. Religion, at least the Abrahamic religions, and freedom are opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:10pm@girlnurse in god we trust was not even put on our coinage till the civil war– on paper currency not till the 1950s
utter idiots i hate them
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:27pmIn the last days scoffers and mockers will arise. You sound like both but there is still time to change that. Read your bible, if you don’t have one, go borrow one or buy one. There are pretty cheap so go for it.
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freestaterev
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:31pm@DOra Glasberg – Actually, he was “preaching in church”…and that’s the point, he was reminding his congregants that there are some very basic, yet huge differences between parties. As much as people (including myself) complain that “there’s not difference between the DNC & the GOP”, the truth is there is a huge difference in their party platforms.
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grayling646
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:33pm@ V
I have been trying to tell Dora the same thing. It’s obvious from her posts that she’s full of hate. She needs to find a way to let it go. Otherwise, as you say, it’s gonna ear her alive.
Let it go, Dora. Find a way.
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Onesimus
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:48pm“God never gives men up to be slaves till they lose thier national virtue, and abandon themselves to slavery” Rev. Richard Salter, Mansfield Connecticutt, 1768. Please remember over half the signers of the Declaration of Independence were ordained ministers. “Unlimited submission and obediance is due to none but God alone. He has an absolute right to command; He alone has an uncontrollable sovereignity over us, because He alone is unchangeable good. He never will nor can require of us anything which is not fit and reasonable. His commands are all just and good. To suppose that He has given any particular set of men a power to require obedience to that which is unreasonable, cruel, and unjust is robbing the Diety of His justice and Goodness.” Rev Samuel West, Dartmouth Massachsetts, 1776….Yup they were Deists…pull the other finger, it’s got flowers….
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 9:20pmYo Real:
Believe what you wish even though it goes against the facts.
Real freedom will never come until people live according to scripture
The further we move from this the less freedom we will have … and the evidence is plain before you in America itself.
Freedom is the right to do what is right …
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scion88
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:11pmWhen God Abandons a Nation…http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/80-314
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:22pmYo Scion88:
Read a good book … When A Nation Forgets God by Erwin W. Lutzer (2010 release)
150 pages makes it a fairly quick read … peace
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:04pmNow on the other-hand, as Andrew and Philip witnessed that Atheist is the Lord’s strength, Andrew and Philip dig gutters when they should just be leaving the other children and Peter alone. Of course Nathaniel (the other Judas) was away from the kill, and that’s why Nathaniel is a true Israelite indeed not having any guile towards Peter or the other children. Meanwhile Benjamin was watching all these things having his own jealousy because Joseph was more loved than Benjamin and they both drank the wine from the entire bunch. It’s all kind of a mess especially when people will not listen.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:22pmNow I say ‘Benjamin’ because Benjamin was the same as one Judas Iscariot.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:26pmAnd it’s weird too, because even though we are supposed to only be married to [one wife] the name of the wife changes because she becomes more experienced and it’s like a whole other spirit that comes over someone’s wife.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:29pmBut people would just rather blow each other up, because they are far too busy being imprisoned in Babylon working for that original snake.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:03pmI think I choose the platform that had no problem with God and Israel. It really is that simple.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:11pmI can’t help but wonder what Rick Warren will think when the resurrection/rapture will happen and he realizes he was left behind???
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The_Jerk
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:14pmIt was Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, not Israel. So, you chose the belligerent nation of Israel.
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:16pmThe thing about people who think government is God is that they do not know the Father, they know they had a dad, but they don’t know the Lord. They have the brilliance, and fortitude of the Father, but they don’t drink the wine and bread from the Lord, and they say I have no father. Therefore government must be a god.
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Bearfoot
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:59pmMr. Warren allegedly said in the article; “What I’ve discovered is this: politics is the religion of people who don’t know God…They treat it as everything. Again, there’s nothing wrong with politics; it’s just not the savior.”
He is contradicting himself !
Is he endorsing another “religion” (politics) by also telling Christians “not to “apologize” for voting for the candidate that shares their worldview”?
What did Jesus say about getting involved in the worlds affairs? – John 17:16
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:37pmYo Bearfoot:
I respectfully believe you mis-apply scripture … because it also says ” that when the unrighteous rule the righteous suffer”.
Would you not take from that, that if you have a choice to be in control of that, that you not squander that God provided opportunity.
One can be a politician and “not of this world”.
“Not of this world” is not thinking or saying or doing as the world does.
Would it not be a “good” thing to have those that lead us to be like this?
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copatriots
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:51pmYo 4TRUTH
Well said! Hope all is well with you and yours!
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Bearfoot
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:18pm4truth2all,
1 John 5:19 tells us the reason not to get involved with the world politically:
18 We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him.19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.
See also Luke 4:5-7, Revelation 13:1-2
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Bearfoot
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:23pmWhen the righteous become many, the people rejoice; but when anyone wicked bears rule, the people sigh. Proverbs 29:2
That is a simple statement of fact, it is not a as you say, justification to join the system.
Are you mis-applying the scripture?
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YellowFin
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 9:25pmBearfoot,
So Warren is a hypocrite, as he says out of one side of his mouth that we should look to our Creator and his Son for salvation and out of the other side, he encourages political involvement which puts people in the devil’s square, the god of this system of things.
If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing,4among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. (1 Corinthians 4:3-4)
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Bearfoot
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 9:38pmYellowfin,
Yes, good to see you understand the issue.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 9:56pmYo Bearfoot:
Not sure how the first verse you give apply to government ..never mentions government …it just pertains to the babylonian (fallen world) ways. (my understanding)
Luke 4: 5-7 ….. do you have a job? should you quit it and serve God only?
Revelation 13 … I NEVER advocated being part of the beast … where do you read that into it ???
Simple statement of fact you are correct … is it not also possible … a warning
Have I ever mis-used scripture … yes … you have not?
Am I here … don’t believe so … your verses certainly do not prove so … peace
Oh by the way , I believe that Paul had the help of a Mayor in his establishing the churches … Though on this I might recall improperly … peace again
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girlnurse
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:59pmI am giong to “cautiously” give credit where credit is due. I agree with John Vincent. Isn’t this whole speech a no-brainer?? It should be…but sadly it isn’t.
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:21pmnurse-
ill cautiously thank you then
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easyD
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:52pm“People Who Don’t Know God Make Government God”
That’s actually the smartest thing I’ve heard Rick say in a long time. Maybe I will visit Saddleback this year.
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LUVGOP
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:49pmWhile id LIKE to think Rick Warren has had a change of heart, he was selected by Barrack Obama to give the prayer at his innaugeration for a reason. Unless and until Warren denownces his apostate view of Replacement Theology, I’ll be taking everything he says with a grain of salt.
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Twinspeedr
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:55pmExactly. I don’t think Warren is just waking up from his Liberalism, more likely is that he is serving as a distraction.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:01pmWell, maybe he realizes he was sold a lie, like so many people. He’s dead on right about the two platforms, being totally different. In my mind they are night and day apart.
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kalli
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:22pmI hear his church has not done to good financially since he gave the prayer at the inauguration and acknowledged a false god to keep the muslim happy. Not good to break the first and most important commandment, ricky. After that, I immediately threw his books in the trash.
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NHwinter
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:48pmIf only all churches were saying what he has said. If 80% of Americans believe in God, they had better wake up and vote as if they really believed in God.
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Oneirishman
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:47pmRomney in a landslide, the polls are way, way, way, way,way,way off. We can hold Romney’s feet to the fire to get rid of all the Commi policies. We need the senate and house too!
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SonOfThunder
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:55pmAgreed. The polls over sample democrats by at least 6 points. Landslide for Romney without a doubt!
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:19pmWhat ever makes you happy.
And the polls are SPOT ON when your feller is winning.
Groan.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:42pmYo Dora:
The polls are a con job, and you gettin played, but then you wanna be … yeah well …
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:46pmThe pastor by his very words endorsed Romney. He says ‘people should not make govt God,’ well the problem with his statement is: most so called christians add fuel to the fire by engaging in the very things he says they should avoid.
When the head of the greatest man born of woman was lopped off, what did the Lord do? call for the head of Pilate, or command an uprising? no, a simple comment about ‘rest’ was adequate. Christian, take note here, and choose your battles carefully. Certainly you have a right as a citizen of the USA to participate by voting for the best man for the job, but please do not make this a divine directive.
If the wrong man gets elected/reelectred, things will surely go downhill in a hurry, but is not the God you believe in greater than man?? yep, I reckon, so vote, be passionate, get engaged, thats your right, but know, that God is still in control, and he is not surprised by mans paltry efforts to dis-place him.
If there was more sincere and hidden prayer, then Mr Warrens admonition would be unnecessary.
‘The effectual and fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.’ So much is ineffectual, not fervent, not prayer, not to say where is a righteous man? God bless AMerica, and vote with your conscious; in this Warren would agree.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:04pm“When the head of the greatest man born of woman was lopped off, what did the Lord do? call for the head of Pilate, or command an uprising?”
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Which “greatest man are you talking about?”
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copatriots
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:12pmRed letter words of Jesus. :-) Jesus was speaking of John the Baptist.
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:19pmanom-
that would be john the baptist, who lived his entire life preparing for a 6 month ministry.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:20pmYou are 100% correct.
So Ricky is lying when he says he supports no candidate,
Just vote your religion.
Tsk tsk, Is this guy a piece of work or not.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:54pmYo Dora:
YOU MAKING ME SNORA.
He told his people to vote with 3 basic principles in mind that are fundamental to the christian faith you so dislike. The fact that makes the choice obvious is obomination and the democrats choice and fault. He is not lying he is being wise. But I guess you also dislike wisdom because that comes from the fear of the Lord … your choice.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:04pmYo John Vincent;
Where are you from? by the way you speak it would sound that you are not American.
Does God not work through the efforts of men?
Is it not a privlege to be able to vote for those to be leaders over oneself.
I would never take away from what God can do… He does not NEED our help, but would not our prayers of sincerity show up at the polls. It is possoble that obama is what we need in order for us to turn back to God which should be the most important prayer … peace
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:38pmGod does appoint/cause the Kings of the earth to fall into their places….there is a divine reason and mine is not to question God. His plan is much greater than mine!
I believe this presidents apppointment is to draw us out and question everything we believe, do we believe in government to solve all of our problems, will we serve this master alone and hate the other, or will we see the evil and turn from it?
Distinct choices are being formed in the peoples minds….give us Barabus or give them Jesus. They picked wrongly but there was a purpose behind it. Jesus went to the cross and this was to reflect how evil we are to send him there as an innocent man (just one part of it). Satan does not force anyone into anything, we make our choices and in Gods infinite wisdom and also Grace, he is placing it out there plain and simple for all to see which master they will serve. The day is coming soon I believe that the son of perdition will be revealed.
Satan is the master counterfeiter and he will have his forerunners to the ultimate anti-christ figure spoke of in Daniel and Revelations. Maybe dear leader is that man and maybe he isn’t. Does not matter to me because I’ve already made my choice whom I will serve and it is not government or anyone in it.
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:41pm4truth-
seems you agree with me.
‘Faith without works is dead,’ I’m only adding that too often the christian makes the ‘work’ more significant; all it takes is a ‘little’ faith aimed in the correct direction. The emphasis on ‘prayer’ was that it is supposed to come from a righteous man; which begs the question: where is the righteous christian? find him, and I’ll show you effectual prayer. God bless America
I’ll keep it a mystery where i am from, lest there be prejudice.
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:52pmchief-
cant find fault with your remarks; but would like to point out a common small oversight.
Daniel, yes,
Revelations no
It is singular: the book of Revelation-
one revelation with a series of visions, speaks to the unity of the whole.
It is the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:33pmJOHN VINCENT
I didn’t mean to sound snotty. I guess I don’t know my Bible as well as I thought I did, because I didn’t remember reading that one.
John the Baptist was indeed a great man of faith up until the very end.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 10:20pmYo John:
Where you are from has no bearing on truth spoken … peace
I believe God’s people will “be a house of prayer” at His return … it is a little scary to think what it might take.
Yo Anoymous:
And so the LORD has just opened your eyes to this lacking ( because of His love) … no offence … He is in the eye business … the sadness is not seeing, it is seeing and not doing, me to … grace
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john vincent
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 11:49pmanon
truth
its all good
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resme
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:42pmGood ole Rick Warren, How’s that CFR membership working out for ya?
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SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:41pmI am not a fan of Rick Warren…….Maybe if you would tell your congregation who God is Mr Warren they might know……Actually does anyone know who Mr Warren believes to be God?Maybe that would be a good starting point.
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:49pmHe looks a little too much like F. Chuck Todd from NBC.
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Docrow
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:52pmMark 10:21
Not a big fan of mega churches.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:21pmThe guy who prints the money.
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4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 7:12pmYo Spot:
Jesus, would be the answer … maybe you should find out a little more about Rick from Rick …
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ambrosia
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 8:59pmRead Rick Warren’s bestselling book from years back,
“A Purpose Driven Life”.
If it doesn’t strike a chord, nothing will.
He is, unlike any of the evangelical ilk, Joel Osteen, etc.
He is a giver, not a taker-
a simple man, living a simple life,
reaching out to shake some sense, faith & duty
to those who haven’t a clue,
those who take their lives & others for granted.
He’s all about a person, stepping up for him or herself,
initiating kindness & simple deeds,
blessed by the grace & glory of God…..a PURPOSE for life.
Common sense prevails-
he says,
“Don’t vote because you “like” someone,
research & learn their platform, history & solutions,
compare them to your own & vote smart, vote accordingly.
Common sense prevails-
just as Clint Eastwood said,
“If somebody isn’t doing his job, you’ve gotta’ let him go” !
All of you who drank Obama’s snake oil,
four years ago-
it’s time to use your common sense,
no need to kick yourself, it’s too late
but it is NOT too late to redeem yourself.
Hopefully, you’ve come to your senses-
your common sense
will guide you to vote for Romney & Ryan.
Write the “failed one” off
and allow our country to heal, revive and prosper.
That is the best thing you can do for yourself,
that is the BEST thing you can do for America !
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GoodStuff
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:39pm“‘People Who Don’t Know God Make Government God’”
Sounds like most people in the inner cities. And most Obama voters.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:45pmThat’s another quotable quote I must say. I don’t mean to compare Rick to the founders, but it’s something they might say.
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DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:23pmActually in America junk food is god.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:47pmDumb Dora – Don’t be mad that normal people can see that you Marxists are trying to make government into God.
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tocommentontheblazeselectausernameandpassword
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:35pmSo he’s saying he doesn’t support a candidate, but by default of what he said, he’s supporting Romney. It’s not like abortion came into view just last election cycle. People have voted in Republicans and it still did not change anything.
Gay marriage/Abortion are a mindset that won’t be changed by voting records but by a change of heart/mind in the American people. If that doesn’t happen, then it doesn’t matter how we vote.
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honestynow
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:33pmI’m surprised- pleasantly surprised. I thought Rick was kind of a “social justice” guy. I guess when they booed God at the DNC, he got a clue.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:49pmYeah, a couple or three years ago, he was getting pretty cozy with Obama. That’s when I stopped listening to the guy. He showed his true colors, that day.
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:32pm“People Who Don’t Know God Make Government God”
He’s right. Also, people who believe in God but not small government want Government to do God’s bidding
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hialtitude
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:30pmWell said, Pastor Warren. AND…taxation isn’t charity either. No matter how many times the government tries to say it is…it is NOT!!!!
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The_Jerk
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:29pmRick Warren: “… materialism, hedonism, individualism and collectivism/socialism… .”
He just summarized the Old Testament.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:44pmTwo of those things are opposites. And the old testament is materialistic? What about the tower of babble parable? And hedonistic? That one is obviously untrue.
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Just_Us2
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 5:57pmPerhaps you should have a better understanding of the definition of what a testament refers to. A better term for your understanding would be covenant, an agreement between two parties. Just because one party does not hold to their part of a covenant does not reflect on the other party. To personalize this, you may indulge in these practices yourself, but that does not mean the bank that holds your mortgage practices these, nor does it mean that your neighbor does because he shares a fence line with you, nor does it mean your car salesman does these things because he sold you the car you drive. Your argument is void of logic and reason and is a feeble attempt at linking God with your bad behavior. Perhaps you should take some responsibility for your own action and state that he just summarized YOUR LIFE.
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The_Jerk
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:11pmHow many times are gold, silver, and precious stones used and sought after in the Old Testament? How does the G-d of Israel reward his allegedly chosen people? By killing all of their enemies and giving Israel their gold, silver, and precious stones.
Look at how the lying Abraham pimped his wife Sarah to the Pharaoh… for power and wealth. Look at how the magnanimous Pharaoh permitted the lying Abraham and his wife to leave Egypt with their deceit gained wealth, when he really should have killed them both for their deception.
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Just_Us2
Posted on September 11, 2012 at 6:46pmSo, in the old testament people had jobs, wealth and wars…wow…your insight is deep! Even back then people were still…..people. Even back then it was said that God was irrelevant and out of touch and people just did their own thing. Even back then people mocked what they did not understand and used religion for the purpose of furthering their own agenda. Satan used scripture against God and his people….why should you be any different? It is amazing how words written so long ago are so relevant today and how similar the hearts and minds of people today are to the very people they criticize in the bible. By the way, it didn’t work out so well for those people who mocked and sneered.
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