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Catholic College Under Fire for Listing ‘Homosexuality’ With ‘Murder, Rape, Robbery, Prostitution’ in Course Description

A Catholic university based in Ohio is under fire over an official course description that lists homosexuality as a “deviant behavior.” While this title, alone, will offend some who are more sensitive to the issue, the controversy doesn’t end there. The class at the Franciscan University of Steubenville allegedly teaches the issue alongside a number of truly-deviant criminal activities — drug abuse, prostitution, murder and rape.

Franciscan University Under Fire for Social Work Homosexuality Course Description

Screen shot from the university's web site

According to The Christian Post, the course, entitled, Social Work 314, was discovered by a former student who happens to be gay. The individual, a member of a Facebook group for gay Franciscan University alum, discovered the course description, then posted it on the social network. NPR has more about the individuals involved and details about what happened next:

“As a lesbian and as a psychological professional, I found a couple of things offensive,” says Elizabeth Vermilyea, who graduated from Franciscan University in 1991 with a psychology degree. Today she’s working on a doctorate and consults with mental health organizations. She objects to including both mental health and homosexuality in that list. [...]

“What if you’re a gay student at Franciscan University? How are you going to feel if you’re sitting in that class and they’re putting you in the same category as murderers?” asks Gregory Gronbacher, who graduated from Franciscan University in 1990.

Gronbacher and Vermilyea contacted school officials, trying to get the course description changed. The university’s attorney responded instead with an email warning them not to use the university’s name or logo in their activities.

Inevitably, the Council on Social Work Education (CSWE), the accrediting agency for social work education, was contacted in an effort to spark an investigation into the issue.

“The fact that homosexuality was identified in the course description as a deviant behavior raises a flag,” explained CSWE director Stephen Holloway.

Being that SWK 314 is a social work class that focuses in on deviant behaviors in society, studying the aforementioned criminal acts is understandable. But, for some, speaking about homosexuality crosses a line and seems to equate illegal activities with a gay lifestyle.

The term “deviant” means, denotatively speaking, “a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm.” By this definition, alone, some would argue that homosexuality fits the mold. However, it is the clumping of the other more problematic — and illegal — issues that piqued the alumnus’ interest. The official course description on the university’s web site details what students can expect to learn in the course.

“Deviant Behavior focuses on the sociological theories of deviant behavior such as strain theory, differential association theory, labeling theory, and phenomenological theory,” the description reads. “The behaviors that are primarily examined are murder, rape, robbery, prostitution, homosexuality, mental illness, and drug use. The course focuses on structural conditions in society that potentially play a role in influencing deviant behavior.”

Franciscan University Under Fire for Social Work Homosexuality Course Description

Photo Credit: Franciscan University of Steubenville

While the university didn’t respond to the Post when the outlet sought comment, the college did release a statement about the incident, reiterating its beliefs in Catholic doctrine — particularly when it comes to same-sex attraction. Here’s a portion of the statement’s text (read the entire document here):

“Franciscan University bases its educational mission on the teaching of Christ as proclaimed in Sacred Scripture and Tradition and authoritatively interpreted by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

Accordingly, Franciscan University follows Catholic Church teaching in regard to homosexuality and treats homosexual persons with ‘respect, compassion, and sensitivity’ (Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 2358) while holding homosexual acts as ‘intrinsically disordered’ (Catechism, No. 2357).

In the statement, the university also noted that the description for the course is derived from textbook headings. Rather than framing homosexuality in a negative light, the purpose of the book, Franciscan University argues, is to explore the notion of activities that differ from the norm. Now, the school is claiming that they are reviewing the course description to see if, indeed, it needs to be changed.

This isn’t the first time the educational facility has been in the news of late. The university has also recently found itself — though not directly — at the center of an atheist battle over its presence on the City of Steubenville’s logo.

(H/T: The Christian Post)

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Comments (171)

  • Al J Zira
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:30am

    You mean the fascist state that determines how much soda one can drink and wants to limit free enterprise by not allowing Chik Fil-A the right to operate a business among the many other overbearing and far over reaching policies of the little Nero you’ve appointed mayor? Yeah, you’re right. I wouldn’t last there nor should one want to. Unless of course you ascribe to those ideals and believe in the communist way of life.

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  • Ducky657
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:29am

    If you see homosexuality as a sin you would necessarily to group it with murder, rape, and etc. This is a Catholic institution and some folks have a problem with it? I think America has too much free time as a result of technological advances. Fifty years ago people spent most of their time working and taking care of their family which probably included extended family members but did not include someone who decided they were attracted to the same sex. This is not an ‘Old Testament’ issue since both Jesus and Paul described what God ordained–notice it was not their opinion–It God’s

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:43am

      Fifty years ago, people were not as open with homosexuality as they are now. Most did not come out of the closet, unless they were living with other homosexuals. People that lived with their families tended not to expose themselves to that kind of scrutiny.

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  • by faith
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:28am

    According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness.
    Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

    Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

    That is not science, that is political correctness

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:43am

      That is very interesting info you posted Faith – thank you! Where can I get more info?

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    • palerider54
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:50am

      Not only did the 1970 activists protest at the convention, they followed them home and stalked them day and night, threatening them and their families, until they caved.
      Same as they are trying to do today.

      When they come into my Church and use these tactics to disrupt the services because we are preaching against the sin of homosexuality, my vote is to immediately introduce them to God and let him explain it to them.

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    • copatriots
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:51am

      Correct.

      40 years later, homosexuality has been “normalized” into our Christian-founded culture.

      The great “Enough” can’t be far away. Be ever watchful.

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    • by faith
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 11:04am

      Woodyee
      Google “apa homosexuality history”

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  • stoptheliesbho
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:26am

    Drug Use?!?!? Consider me a deviant personality then and totally offended by the course-listing cuz I like a good, long hit of reefer every once in a while for my glaucoma. << sarcasm. This is so seriously r- tarded. Homosexuality IS deviant behavior. So is murder. And rape. And drug use. It doesn't fit the societal norm. DUH.

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  • lainpa
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:20am

    I had heard that homosexuality was listed in the American Psychiatric Journals as a disorder up until sometime in the ’70s

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    • SUNTZU
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:29am

      Next it will be called a sport.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:40am

      LainPa –

      You’re correct. Also, the same “psychiatrist” that made that “historic” claim, recanted some years ago, but THAT news didn’t seem to get the same headline attention from the media.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 12:44pm

      LAINPA..Dr Charles Socarides made it clear that homosexuality was removed from the APA’s list of psychological disorders, not because of clinical research but because social groups co-opted the APA and demanded it.
      “Heady stuff. Gays said they could “reinvent human nature, reinvent themselves.” To do this, these reinventors had to clear away one major obstacle. No, they didn’t go after the nation’s clergy. They targeted the members of a worldly priesthood, the psychiatric community, and neutralized them with a radical redefinition of homosexuality itself. In 1972 and 1973 they co-opted the leadership of the American Psychiatric Association and, through a series of political maneuvers, lies and outright flim-flams, they “cured” homosexuality overnight-by fiat. They got the A.P.A. to say that same-sex sex was “not a disorder.” It was merely “a condition”-as neutral as lefthandedness. “.

      In various ways, Theodore Reich, Alfred Kinsey, Fritz Perls, Norman O. Brown, Herbert Marcuse and Paul Goodman preached a new countercultural gospel: “If it feels good, do it.” (this meme is being repeated today by liberals and homosexual advocates with the “anything goes” line).

      “[...] gay-gene studies and the gay-brain studies do not stand up to critical analysis. (The author of one so-called “gay-gene theory” is under investigation by the National Institutes of Health for scientific fraud.) “

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:18am

    45 Declared Goals of the Communist TakeOver of America:
    #26: promote homosexuality and degeneracy as ‘normal’.

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    • DOra Glasberg
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 3:55pm

      I think fat azzes is a sin – the sin of gluttony.
      Where are my rights?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 4:22pm

      Dumb Dora – And here you are hypocritically preaching how we need to be more tolerant, inclusive, accepting, and all of that other BS.

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  • shimauma
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:17am

    Ouch Dora, you’re so mean. Must be all that guilt from living a deviant lifestyle makes you bitter and want to hurt people.

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  • woodyee
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:13am

    FloridaReader says – “[Homosexuality is] a genetic abnormality caused by different factors. But listing this condition along with murder, rape, robbery and prostitution is not right.”

    Some human genome scientists say the same about criminal behavior; it’s not a stretch, therefore, to say pedophilia is probably the same – and with a recidivism rate in excess of 70% in many jurisdictions, it would give many food for thought on how to “classify” homosexuality.

    Well enough to accept it for what it is – naturally speaking, unacceptable abnormal behavior, just like murder, rape, robbery and pedophilia; Biblically an abhorrent sin.

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  • TROLLMONGER
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:12am

    What else can you expect from such a primitive religion and bigoted way of viewing the world!?!?!?

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    • kansas hawks 3
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:31am

      The way I see it that is your ignorant view which counts for nothing.

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    • Al J Zira
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:43am

      So you think homosexuality is what? A genetic abnormality? Or a genetic disposition akin to that of being left handed? Also, where have you seen anything bigoted regarding the Catholic Church and it’s regard to homosexuality? You haven’t. Your own bigotry toward Christians has blinded your conclusions. The fact is Christians have said on here and everywhere else that homosexuality is wrong, the behavior is warped but we don’t hate the sinner, we hate the sin.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 11:00am

      the funny part about your statement, TROLL, is that of all the behaviors on the list homosexuality is LESS “normal” than drug use AND mental illness. Homosexuals comprise 2.5% of Americans while the rates for mental illness and drug use are MUCH higher, thus making homosexuality even MORE deviant than those behaviors also on the list…why aren’t you just as offended for drug users and the mentally ill?

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    • gryffn
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 11:15am

      Oh, you mean Islam which STONES gays to death?

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  • Homberto
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:05am

    What if you’re a student at Franciscan University who is a thief? How are you going to feel if you‘re sitting in that class and they’re putting you in the same category as gays? Now that just isn’t right… ;-)

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    • oldguy77
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:18am

      How about this.You buy a compass and it only points south.Is that normal or abnormal?A male is attracted to a female.Normal or abnormal?A male is attracted to a male.Normal or abnormal?

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  • 00100111
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:04am

    Derp derp derp derp.

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  • 00100111
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:03am

    It is “deviant behavior”. Because it is politically accepted these days doesn’t make it any less deviant. Many behaviors are deviant, many of those deviant behaviors are between consenting adults, and are none of my business as long as it isn’t flaunted in my face. Still doesn’t make it not deviant.

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    • shimauma
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:14am

      Well said. I think the University needs to stick to it’s guns and reiterate that sexual deviancy, such as homosexuality, pedeophilia, necrophilia and beastiality are all part of the same perverse realm of sex outside of the design of the Creator. If people have a hard time dealing with that then they need to take their prissy opinions somewhere else.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:16am

      Blows my mind that they have not read their Bible being a Catholic University and all. It is right there, but in this day and age people mock and scoff at the Bible they are mocking God and he will judge.

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    • DOra Glasberg
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 3:57pm

      I think believing in super humans in the sky is deviant behavior.
      And ‘creationism’. You are really beyond help.

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 4:19pm

      Guess who’ll be the first to roll in a ball and cry to momma when crap hits the fan?

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    • jimmymac1
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 8:16pm

      Everyone always points to stoning in the old testament. But that was only the punishment what was really talked about was not to let evil and abhorent behavior into your community and family as it would become common place and turn into normal behaviour.
      Is it not funny how 2000 years ago all of the psychology of mans behavior was already known along with the answers by a man who was just 33 years old, funny how most think that we just figured all this out recently.

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  • DOra Glasberg
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:00am

    You folk wouldn’t last a second here in NYC.

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    • 00100111
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:04am

      Awww, sand in your panties?

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    • John Valentine
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:08am

      That could be one reason why I don’t live there. And I don’t want to. But you do live there and are apparently happy. Good!

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:13am

      Yeah, your right, but your welcome anytime out west, we are friendly to everyone, and you can make eye contact with people, and they wont kill you.

      I have a Nephew in Queens, I know about “Your City”. I like to live in a place where people are friendly, you don’t have to have bars on the windows, and you can leave your car unlocked, and it will be there in the morning.

      But you live in your little paradise out there, dont look that person in the eye, keep your head down, and remember to just give all your things to the mugger so he wont kill you.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:17am

      Too late GASBAG, been there many times already when I used to live in Upstate, NY. Drove to Boston a lot back then too.

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    • bandi9
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:17am

      nor would we want to

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    • woodyee
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:20am

      I’m from NY. Why do you think “they” wouldn’t last in NYC for more than a second? Man…talk about Long Island yentas…

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    • floridareader
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:24am

      @ Dora
      That is way we’re not there!
      And one of this days major Bloomberg will sign a law on how to use condoms and how to conduct your private business.

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    • kansas hawks 3
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:38am

      @dora you wouldn’t survive down south either. The difference is we don’t want to live in your place..

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 11:42am

      @Dora
      So, why no comment, you threw down, now you dont want to talk? Just like a lib, throw a firebomb, then run away.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 12:23pm

      DORA…You mean the city with a 41% TOTAL abortion rate? Or an abortion rate of 60% amoung blacks? Why do you hate black babies so much in NYC?

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    • GRINTSUM
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 1:09pm

      Who would want to spend a second in NYC? It’s a diseased liberal cesspool.

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    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 1:34pm

      I really like how New Yorkers always seem to want people to think “You wouldn’t last a minute in the City”. Like it’s a badge of honor, I guess the same thing goes for prison, some people wouldn’t last a day in prision, it doesn’t make it a paradise, or even a place the majority of SANE people would want to visit or live. So I don’t see what the bragging is about, living in basically a prision, having to wallk around looking like the meanest SOB, and trying not to get killed and just survive to another day.

      My Nephew loves it when he comes out to Colorado, he likes the quiet, the friendliness, the fresh air, and no traffic, if his business wasn’t based out of NYC, he would not live there.

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    • The Jewish Avenger
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 4:17pm

      I have the money, the knowledge ands the ability to embarrass you in NYC, shame I have no purpose, meaning or business there and when I do conduct business there, they come to me.

      Perhaps its NYC that cant handle me?

      Even without money, pretty cetrain anyone can outlive most NY’ers.

      Why? While the real people are inside eating, the NY Urban queens are still out in the fields fetchin’ a fit and moanin on how its not fair and deserve special treatment.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 13, 2012 at 11:12pm

      Dumb Dora – Us civilized people know how to do this thing called fending for ourselves instead of depending upon the government for everything like you leftists do.

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  • Uechi
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:00am

    Homosexuality is certainly not a crime or shouldn’t be but it is immoral, deviant and perverted. Personally I don’t care what consenting adults do in private, but same sex marriage, bull crap!

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:57am

    Are they talking about their priests………………..cuz a big percentage of them are gay.

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    • John Valentine
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:10am

      What is the percentage? And please cite your source.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:17am

      Detroit paperboy – It is a small percentage and not the church with leading percentage. That belongs to other denominations. Check your facts.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 3:52pm

      I am NO fan of the catholic church, but any serious study shows your “point” to be completely false and nothing more that a regurgitation of 20 year old liberal talking points…sad :-(

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    • Locked
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 4:05pm

      @Detroit

      I’m not aware of any studies on the number of gay priests, and would be interested in your sources.

      As for the number who are pedophiles, at least 4% of all US priests have been accused of sexual abuse against children (and 1.5% of all priests have been found guilty in court). The number is likely higher, at it comes from a voluntary survey of all Catholic churches in the US; you can realistically expect underreporting and that some priests haven’t been accused.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 4:23pm

      Locked – Yet there are more cases of child molestation in public schools than in the Catholic Church but your side praises public schools.

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    • Locked
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 5:07pm

      @Git

      “Yet there are more cases of child molestation in public schools than in the Catholic Church but your side praises public schools.”

      Could you cite the statistics for this claim? Also, I’m interested in what “my side” is: conservatives like myself are critical of our public schools. Whom do YOU support, I wonder?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on September 13, 2012 at 11:00pm

      Locked – You’re the one who’s whining about pedophiles in the Catholic church but will say nothing about pedophiles in public schools. And you’re NOT a conservative.

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  • Tagudinian
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:54am

    The truth hurts. Homosexuality is not normal behavior.

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  • davida61
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:54am

    I pray to God, the exalted one, that this university does not change anything that it really believes in. I have always held this university in high regard (I am an Ohioan) and I would be greatly disappointed if they kowtowed to the ungodly heathens in this country. God please forgive us all for not paying attention all these years. Satan took over while we were asleep. This is my prayer as I weep.

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  • GirlWithCurls
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:52am

    Its a Catholic College. If homosexual students are attending than they should expect the college to treat them with respect but their lifestyle choice won’t be encouraged or receive applause for that matter. That should be obvious. Its like those people saying PB&J sandwiches are offensive. I just wanna say “HELLO! You’re in the United States of America! WELCOME. Have a PB&J.”

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  • perry1980
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:50am

    Wake Up America

    The Universities are corrupting YOUR Children and OUR society.

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    • TheArbiter
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:56am

      higher education is a necessary evil for many important and necessary professions. children should be raised in such a way that they aren’t easily brainwashed by anyone and anything and the problem becomes much less of a threat.

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  • barber2
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:50am

    Hey, Catholic Church, get hep. It’s the New Far Left Ideology: anything goes ! Who cares about 2,000 years of previous moral codes ? This is all part of the ” change” that the angry, minority Far Left Democrat base has moved us ” Forward” to . Hey, Catholic Church, you’d better listen to Big Brother and his minions…or else…

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  • klevalt
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:49am

    Well, in my eyes, prostitution is less deviant than homosexuality… but it really isn’t my eyes that matter, is it? In God’s eyes, being a glutton or petty theif is as bad as beint a murderer and fornicator. And we are ALL guilty of sin. So I simply don’t get the arguement.

    Really, if you don’t like it, you don’t have to go to that school… it is a private university, after all.

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    • Sy Kosys
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:56am

      Until Fluke decides she wants to suddenly ‘attend’

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    • TheArbiter
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:59am

      bull’s eye

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    • SREGN
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:14am

      God’s pretty clear about it in the Bible. He says it’s a sin. They teach biblical priciples. That’s their job. Don’t be gay, Sparky.

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  • noslave
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:46am

    hey its right up there with pedophilia,necrophilliac,other degenerate behavior,too bad if the truth hurts no apology necessary,get used to it,more people should speak the truth unafraid and not backing down??lets call a spade a spade as the old saying go’s???

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    • TheArbiter
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:02am

      no need to be a maniac about it, sir. Religious institutions should be able to stick to their values, sure. Other than that, it is pointless to rail on these people.

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    • oldguy77
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:14am

      That is a very racist statment,calling someone a spade.The very idea is repugnant!

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    • noslave
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 11:32am

      to the stupid indoctrinated folks takeing the saying as racist??its an old card game reference,dont bend the truth??but since so many words have been respun to new advantagieous/political correctness i apologise??

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  • blackyb
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:44am

    It is deviate behavior. It is now militant deviate behavior.

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    • barber2
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:53am

      TSK. Tsk. Tsk. So only a minority behave this way ? That is considered ” deviant ?” No way, dude. The Democrats will play the Discrimination Card ! ” Deviants ” are being picked on. Illegals are being picked on. Hey, how about ” felons ?” Aren’t they also being picked on ?

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:41am

    What???? How dare they put down and lump abortion doctors in with rapists, murder is so different than rape, and takes a different skill set. Wait, that’s not what they are mad about, its the Gays that don’t like being associated with rapist. What if they are Gay Abortion doctors, that would put them at odds with all the groups.

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:39am

    Homosexuality is… “deviant behavior.” Homosexuality is a developmental disorder. Why is the truth always held hostage?

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    • blackyb
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:48am

      It is a sign of the times.

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    • floridareader
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 9:54am

      @jerk
      homosexuality is not a developmental disorder. It’s a genetic abnormality caused by different factors. I am not making this up. Anybody can make their own search on the subject.
      A male instinctively will pursue a female and a female will pursue a male. It’s not something you choose to be.
      But listing this condition along with murder, rape, robbery and prostitution is not right.

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    • John Valentine
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:19am

      I’ve been searching for years, since it was okd as a normal by the American Psychological Assocoation. People have claimed that there is a gene that causes this. I’ve waited. The human genome was the project that would explain this. I’ve waited…and waited…

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    • ZAP
      Posted on September 12, 2012 at 10:33am

      PERVERSION has nothing to do with genes

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      ZAP  

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