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Fact Check: Does George Soros Own an Overseas Company That Will Count U.S. Votes?

Sep. 13, 2012 4:21pm Becket Adams

Does a major Obama donor own an overseas company that will control the U.S.’s entire vote-counting system? The simple answer: No. But let’s expand on this because, obviously, it would be highly disturbing (to say the very least) if it were true.

The claim goes something like this [as noted by Snopes]:

The Obama administration has sold the processing rights of our votes in the general election to a company from Spain (SCYTL) It will no longer be possible to track and verify our votes. The CEO of the company donated the maximum amount to Obamas’ 2008 campaign.

And, according to similar emails, Scytl has strong ties to billionaire currency speculator, liberal activist, and Democrat donor George Soros (looks legit, right?):

�GEORGE SOROS, BARACK OBAMA’S NUMBER ONE SUPPORTER AND SOURCE OF THE PRESIDENT’S LARGEST CORPORATE DONATIONS, WILL CONTROL YOUR VOTES IN THE UP COMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION � Follow the bouncing ball on the criminal corruption ruse of your USA votes.

1.) The Obama Government has outsourced the counting of votes for the 2012 election. But since WHEN does the nation need to outsource a task as uncomplicated and straightforward as vote-counting?

2.) Obama outsourced the counting to a Tampa Florida company, named SOE, that had previously been used to administer the vote counting process for over 500 American jurisdictions.

3.) But recently, SOE software has now been sold to a company named SCYTL, owned by George Soros, headquartered in Spain.

4.) The votes will go to SCYTL, the question becomes as to WHY Must local votes for each precinct will be downloaded to SCYTL�s main server � leaving no TRACEABLE record of how many, and what votes were scored! Which of course means that said votes will be MERGED; and any discrepancies at lower levels will be IMPOSSIBLE to track.

5.) But wait, it gets murkier: SCYTL is shadow owned by Pere Valles, a former CEO of Global Net; who just HAPPENS to have been a maximum level contributor to the Obama Campaign in 2008. Not surprisingly, Valles is also has contacts with Media Matters, a communication consortium owned by: George Soros.

6.) Now the bad news: according to the �Black Box� voting site, this centralizes one �middleman� access point for over 525 voting jurisdictions: (AL, AZ, CA, CO, DC, FL, KY, MI, KS, IL, IN, NC, NM, MN, NY, SC, TX, UT, WA. � and growing).�

Now before you batten down the hatches and start freaking out, let’s dig a little deeper. Snopes and conservative authoress Michelle Malkin make quick work of the rumor and thoroughly debunks this mess. From Snopes:

The Obama administration could not possibly have “sold the processing rights of our votes in the general election” to Scytl, as the federal government does not run elections: individual states do. It’s up to each state to determine on its own how to conduct its elections and what voting systems to use.

Moreover, it’s highly unlikely any states will be choosing to use systems like Scytl’s to implement online voting on anything more than a very limited basis in the 2012 general election. Scytl’s current list of customers includes only four U.S. states plus the District of Columbia, all of whom have so far limited their use of Scytl systems to providing a means for overseas (i.e., military and absentee) voters to cast their ballots remotely.

The Snopes analysis goes on to cite an article from Discovery News which notes that even on the rare occasion when online voting was used, it failed to work in some cases and those systems will not be revisited in 2012. The analysis also adds:

(SOE software does have a more expansive roster of U.S. customers, but their products are aimed at providing ancillary services to local governments such as helping constituents communicate with government offices or displaying election results, not systems to record and tabulate votes.)

Malkin notes that, contrary to what the emails claim, Scytl’s acquisition of SOE software does not equal a vote-counting takeover:

While SOE boasts of a presence “with 900 jurisdictions as customers in 26 states,” there is no single contract that the federal government has entered into, or could, with Scytl to count the 2012 presidential election votes. Much of the work Scytl/SOE analysts do is number-crunching and graphics software work after local and state officials have done the vote-counting.

Scytl does have a contract with the feds to use its technology to help overseas and military voters participate in elections. In 2009, the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment Act mandated that U.S. jurisdictions allow uniformed and overseas citizens to receive and track their ballots electronically. Scytl’s online ballot program was used in 14 states during the 2010 midterms.

Okay, nothing there. What’s the next point? From Snopes:

The security and auditability of online voting systems remains a subject of debate, which, as noted above, makes it quite improbable there will be any statewide (much less nationwide) use of systems like Scytl’s in tabulating votes for the 2012 presidential election.

Snopes’ analysis goes on to highlight an article by Steve Wildstrom, writing in Tech.pinions, which clearly outlines the security difficulties in implementing these types of systems. And Wildstrom isn’t alone. A whole host of experts in electronic security industry agree that no type of system will be put in place in the U.S. any time soon.

But here’s where it get really good. Snopes takes a look at Scytl’s CEO Pere Vallés and his supposed connections to the Democrat Party:

Despite claims that Pere Vallés “donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign,” a search of all donors to the 2008 presidential campaign of Barack Obama does not turn up a contribution (of any size) from anyone with that name.

And, of course, there’s the fact that there’s “no evidence supporting the common rumor that financier George Soros holds an ownership stake in Scytl.”

Indeed, Scytl’s investors are Nauta Capital, Balderton Capital, and Spinnaker SCR.

“Soros doesn’t ‘own’ any of these international venture capital firms — and as far as my research shows, he has no involvement whatsoever with any of them,” Malkin writes.

“Moreover, Scytl’s board of directors doesn’t include anyone with Soros financial or management ties. Pressed for evidence, one Internet conspiracy nut cited an ‘invitation only event’ in Moldova that listed both the ‘Soros Foundation Moldova’ and Scytl as attendees,” she adds.

Okay, let’s recap: We’re supposed to believe that the election is being stolen by a Sores-connected company run by a shady Democrat CEO, right? Well, aside from the fact that the company has no ties to Soros and the CEO has no record of ever contributing money to President Obama (as the emails claim), why not?

Bottom Line: The Soros-Obama vote-counting rumor is factually inaccurate on every count and there is literally (as Vice President Joe Biden would say) nothing to back up this claim.

We understand Soros’ influence with the Democrat Party runs extraordinarily deep. We get that. But before we start accusing people of rigging elections, we need to have at least a shred of evidence.

“Soros has enough explicit ties to President Obama’s administration and campaign without having to embellish them,” Malkin notes.

So, rest easy, folks.

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Comments (221)

soybomb315_II
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:26pm
I find it ironic that the republican party cheated Ron Paul’s delegates and then gets cheated by Soros in november

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:36pm
  The problem with America is the bottomless pit all the locusts anointed in themselves as kings, climbed out of because of Socialism.
  
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- Pat-Riot
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:46pm
  Okay, so Soros isn’t going to count the votes, he’ll just drum up some dead people to vote for Obama instead. Get your survival supplies in order, it could get freakin weird by November 6th:
  http://u-read.org/survivalprep
  
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- WindyDualism
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:46pm
  Did you read the entire article and do you have access to an abacus?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:53pm
  Actually, Soros and the White House are at odds with each other. Valerie Jarrett won’t even let Soros have a meeting with Obama. The White House hasn’t even asked Soros for money this election.
  
  Now, Soros does control some Sec of States (at the State level) who control the voting each State. I don’t know how many presently and I’m too busy to try to look it up right know (working on a friends laptop).
  
  So, if Soros does have any power over votes (and I sure hope he doesn’t) he might seek retribution for being shunned.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:54pm
  PS: This is the reason I think VJ has SS protection.
  
  From Soros…..
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:59pm
  Karma. but i am surprised this is being reported by the blaze. this is why i have said Romney will lose because they will rig the vote against him and Romney is not popular at all so he will stand no chance against Obama, this can be a landslide win cause of this.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 6:05pm
  in related news, turns out those crazy ron paul nuts got into the republican electoral college as well…UH OH. should be some fun times tonight or whenever it appears on theblaze
  http://www.dailypaul.com/254610/some-presidential-electors-defecting-to-rp
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 6:16pm
  No mention of the fact that Unions maintain the voting machines, SEIU to be specific. Unions, who are thoroughly in Obama’s pocket
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:00pm
  SOYBOMB315_II is that why Ronny couldn’t win his home state? Did the GOP rig the vote?
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:12pm
  SOY, I could swear that I watched and listened to all of the state primary returns and Ron just did not win. But, the primary delegates for Ron were counted at the RNC. I head it with my own ears. Now, just how was he cheated out of his proper place in the RNC? Or, am I really missing something and did not hear correctly in the news and the RNC?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 8:02pm
  @RJ
  If you are honest, you can start scratching the surface here…
  http://truthbroadcastnetwork.com/subject/politics-subject/gop-destroys-integrity-of-national-convention-flagrantly-cheats-ron-paul-out-of-nomination/
  
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- LibertyOrDeath12
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 10:16pm
  Ron Paul did get cheated. Weren’t you people watching. Didn’t you see that they passed in a rule to control every delegates voice of vote? I mean really people.. where is reality? And the Nays had the I’s. I don’t care what none of you say. I was at the convention. They put all the Romney delegates up front where all the microphones were at and put all Paul delegates in the nose bleed seats and they still didn’t yell them. Doesn’t that tell you something. I never saw any unity that Romney was promoting. Why not let Ron Paul speak? I find ti disrespectful and if he wanted to win this election, eh could show the Ron Paul people some respect which we haven’t got all election. Just saying.. Guys. Yes Romney won, but they did control lots of it and did block out Ron Paul delegates and for what? Why? Here check it for your self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DCAAoDunw
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSbSRTliK1Q
  
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- Dont_Vote_Obama-Romney
  Posted on September 14, 2012 at 2:41am
  a little birdy told me (or was it “Little Berty”?):
  
  When the Spanish online voting company SCYTL bought the largest vote processing corporation in the United States, it also acquired the means of manufacturing the outcome of the 2012 election. As the largest election results reporting company in the US, SOE (the Tampa based corporation purchased by SCYTL in January) supplies the election software which records, counts, and reports the votes of Americans in 26 states–900 total jurisdictions–across the nation right down to the precinct level. But before going anywhere else, those election returns are routed to individual, company servers where the people who run them “get first look at results and … redirects results … to a centralized privately held server … not just USA-based, but global”.
  
  It has also been claimed that SCYTL CEO Pere Valles is a socialist who donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign and lived in Chicago during Obama’s time as Illinois State Senator. Given what is known about the character of Barack Hussein Obama (AKA Barry Obama, AKA Barry Soetoro), such rumors must be taken as serious threats to the integrity of the 2012 election. Perhaps Obama had reason for ominous confidence when he said “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility” to Russian President Medvedev on that infamous “live mic” incident.
  
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doomytram
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:25pm
Oh thank God, we can stop everything and believe you. Thanks for your opinion pard and I trust you as much I trust David Gregory.

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doomytram
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:23pm
We need Price Waterhouse Cooper or some such company this year for sure. Team Walk back and blame (Obozo Campaign Ronald McDonald Holder and Soros) are trying to steal this election in the the Name of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:34pm
  Price Waterhouse Cooper – the same company that allegedly was broken into and Romney’s tax returns taken? What happened about that story anyways – was it all a hoax?
  
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- Tobytheone
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 6:39pm
  Its funny once soros $ is gone another useful idoit for the brotherhood
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 6:39pm
  Hey Soybom315,
  
  Where did that link you posted go to? I saw it, ran a quick errand, came back to read it and it was gone?
  
  Did you delete it? : (
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 6:49pm
  @the-monk
  Wow, you are right…I didnt even notice that. Even here, home of the pseudo-tea party, there are ‘strange’ things that happen
  
  Here you go
  http://www.dailypaul.com/254610/some-presidential-electors-defecting-to-rp
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:03pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  Hey, it’s back! Not your new re-post but the other one.
  
  Must have been a glitch because about 3 other missing posts are back.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:18pm
  Hi Soybom315,
  
  Read the article……
  
  Two wrongs (still) don’t make a right. Sounds more like retaliation to me. : (
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:52pm
  yea, it is blowback i guess
  
  Ron Paul’s Revenge? haha. No worries, there is a >95% chance it wont affect anything
  
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- db321
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 9:52pm
  Take it easy Paulies. RP is not going to be the Republican Candidate. We have big problems and RP only magnifies it. So go get stone or something and cut the crap.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 10:36pm
  Nobody said RP was gonig to get elected – i think you have reading comprehension issues.
  
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ssbstspd
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:18pm
Ok. if i read the article right. They do agree that this system will count the overseas votes including the military. If this election is as close as it is today, that would be all they need to rig the votes. I wouldnt put anything past what this administration is capable of. Election fraud is something will can see they hold dear to their hearts.

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- shorthorn
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 7:19pm
  From their own website. Counting military votes? Yeah, this will work out great.
  
  Scytl has been selected by the Federal Voting Assistance Program of the U.S. Department of Defense to provide a secure online ballot delivery and onscreen marking systems under a program to support overseas military and civilian voters for the 2010 election cycle and beyond. Scytl has been awarded 9 of the 20 States that agreed to participate in the program (New York, Washington, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, New Mexico, South Carolina, Mississippi and Indiana), making it the provider with the highest number of participating States.
  
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followtheexample
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:18pm
Careful everyone..your not sounding like the type of opinions that the moderators want here..

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- Stelex
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 9:29pm
  Moderation in action………………….
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm9rSqx2FgY
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 9:31pm
  So we the people have to start playing word games and politics? How about speaking the freaking truth.TRUTH..What are you obama light?
  
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Hunter4Liberty
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:13pm
The real problem is electronic voting machines can be programmed to change votes without voters or election officials ever knowing about it. Check out this Congressional testimony from a programmer in 2004 about how easy is to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV9WTLAuhMY

Obama lawyers are already gearing up for lawsuits challenging votes – especially in states where voter ID laws are being passed.

Let’s not forget about claims that the SEIU Voting Machine Technicians rigged the Nevada voting machines in 2010 to give Reid the win for his Senate seat. http://nlpc.org/stories/2010/11/11/harry-reid-re-election-likely-due-seiu-ballot-fraud

Finally, there ARE Soros ties to the Project Secretary of State where left leaning groups are trying to put favorable Secretaries of State in place in swing states who play a key role in determining who wins an election in close elections. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7487

We get receipts when we buy a gallon of milk. Why not give us receipts confirming our vote? If we have drone technology, surely this can’t be that difficult.

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- westtitus
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:41pm
  Cant’ do that the Dems would cry unfair unfair unfair we can’t cheat and it is racist etc…
  
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chips1
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:12pm
The best way to show that the Democrats are honest is for them to write down the vote totals and put it in a sealed envelope. Then after the election, we can compare the two and see if they match.

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:25pm
  This next generation of children will lose the country anyways, because it takes more than thumbs, joy-sticks to run a nation. Heck when your 70 years old good luck finding a mechanic to work on your car in this bunch.
  
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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:26pm
  The 12 year old’s now are even too lazy to work on their own bicycles.
  
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- Eggcellent
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 11:06pm
  Or, they’d suddenly “find” a bunch of uncounted boxes of votes in the trunk of someone’s car, like what happened when Al Franken was “elected”….
  
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Penn
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:11pm
I may sound like a broken record but you can swing this election with less than 500,000 votes, if they are in the right states and cities. Obama won Ohio by 200k votes in 2008. He won CLEVELAND by 260K votes. He won FL by 200k votes but he won the 3 Miami area counties by 600k votes. He won Indiana by 27K votes but he won Indianapolis by 106k votes. He won North Carolina by 10K but he won Charlotte by 100K. Here in PA Obama got 83% of the Philadelphia vote. 83%!? That 450k difference represented almost the entire margin of victory in the state. Heck, NYC and Detriot were were only in the low 70%’s. I think Romney wins in a landslide…in a fair election. Hope our voter photo id holds in PA. If it does,Romney may even win here.

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- SquareandCompass
  Posted on September 14, 2012 at 8:34am
  No way Romney will win this state (PA). I live here around the ‘burgh and know that both inner cities of Philly and Pittsburgh are completely Nobama, which is where the main population resides. Everywhere outside of these two cities are Romney. Unfortunately, that is still not enough people to make up the population in these cities. At least for registered voters. Our state hasn’t voted Republican since 1988! I really wish I was optimistic, but I’m a realist.
  
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watersRpeople
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:10pm
What does she mean “before we start accusing people of rigging elections?” Dead people are voting all the time, with many reported cases of it.

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welovetheUSA
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:10pm
Yes he does…………and its about time someone has said so………now what do we do?

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lb6751
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:09pm
I only hope and pray that this is true !

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Eblaze44
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:00pm
This notion that “Spain” is going to be counting our votes has been debunked on several conservative sites – nevertheless – it keeps the pot stirred up.

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- BS61
  Posted on September 14, 2012 at 2:07am
  Michael Savage has mentioned it a billion times in his book and on his radio show. Maybe that’s why the Blaze is addressing it.
  
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olddog
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:00pm
Anyway we all know neither obama or soros would do anything underhanded or dishonest..

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:56pm
I can only say this:

Soros declared in an interview once “…you do not need to control the voters, just those who certify the votes…”

At the time I thought he meant the individual Sec of State for the 17 or so largest states of the nation; instead it may be that he is refering to those who make the voting machines.

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- sillyfreshness
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:00pm
  Corruption at its finest. You have a “chosen person” George Soros who is going to ensure that Obama gets re-elected even if it means rigging the election. All to ensure that communism gets entrenched in the US.
  
  Guess Joseph McCarthy wasn’t wrong after all in his search for commies in the government and Hollywood. We owe Joe an apology.
  
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- thecrazybetty
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:05pm
  You know, comrades,” says Stalin, “that I think in regard to this: I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.
  
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- Wichita1
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:21pm
  When did Americans become so incompetent that we need our vote counted over seas?
  This should never, never happen.
  CONTACT CONGRESS!!!
  
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- chips1
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:45pm
  “The number you have reached is no longer in-service and there is no new number”.
  
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pattik
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:54pm
I had worried about the voting machine/counting connection also, but I will say with research of Malkin and The Blaze…neither of which are lightweights, I tend to think they didn’t rely solely on snopes. Snope has been caught red handed with 1/2 truths and I know Snopes has the lefty connections as some of the other so-call factcheckers. I do trust the research prowess of Malkin and Beck’s organization. No one is perfect but they both are way up on the scale as truth tellers.

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smokey888x2
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:48pm
Snopes: Most of their fact checking is good …. EXCEPT regarding to their liberal owner’s leaning, then it just flat out sucks.

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- Jezreel
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Snopes is NOT to be trusted. If this is true, we are all done and over with and doom is in the future for the United States. I will be happy when a major solar flare happens and knocks out all the technology etc. and burns the grids etc. At least the new world order elitists will not be able to use technology against us if this happens. We will only have old fashioned guns and ammo to defend ourselves with and they will be outnumbered.
  
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The Scarecrow
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:48pm
Snopes cannot be trusted.

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MrKnowItAll
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:44pm
The only thing people keep on the level in this day and age is the table they do their Coke on.

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For my Liberty!
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:42pm
FACT: Snopes is owned by a Husband/wife team….that use GOOGLE to do the research. NEITHER of them have ANY technical researching experience whatsoever. Their site is ALSO left leaning….I USED to use them….till I found out that they are NOT the end all for everything.

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- buttpatriot
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Is mitt romney a high ranking memeber of the new black panthers? The simple answer: No. But let’s expand on this because, obviously, it would be highly disturbing (to say the very least) if it were true.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:56pm
  WHAT’S WORSE? SNOPES??? R U KIDDING ???? SNOPES is worse than SOROS!!
  
  We didn’t know that until we began checking POLITICAL facts and the LIBERAL literally dripped out of them. THEY actually LIED about facts because it would make that B in the WHITE HOUSE look bad.
  
  SO COME UP with something BETTER. @ FOR MY LIBERTY, USE LOGIC and BITTER CLINGER (cute name) are 1000% correct. These people (SNOPES) do not give accurate information. Maybe on things non-political, but on political forget it. We found out by pure accident. WE were sent an email with what we KNEW to be bogus information YET verified as true by Snopes.
  
  SIDE POINT: How stupid these Birkenstock Liberals are. They had a great company and big following and all they had to do was tell the truth. Back to the drawing board. Let this be a lesson to younger entrepreneurs.
  
  SOROS… How much longer, dude? Some people do decent things with their lives are are remembered fondly. The only explanation for you is that you are SATAN.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:28pm
  Yeah, I ripped them a new one with an email I sent to them. They were claiming Obama’s father was an America citizen a couple of years ago. I also ripped them for saying Barry was a natural born citizen.
  Curiously, I never did receive a reply.
  
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mdeputy7
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:41pm
Hey hornz….why the heck would you say something so asinine when it was reported here?

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saranda
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:39pm
And the 50% of TheBlaze readers who base opinion on headlines will perpetuate the rumour as truth based on the headline here. What an irresponsible way to present this “story”.

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uselogic
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:37pm
I will research this myself, in depth. But….. seriously, you’re taking Snopes word? A site founded by a couple of granola-crunching, Birkenstock-wearing liberals? A site that has been frequently cited for going out of its way to mark as “false” any and all negative information concerning liberals and especially Obozo. On anything other than “vrus” rumors, I’d almost take Politifact over Snopes.

Get real!

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bitterclinger
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:31pm
Everyone on my email list knows that Snopes is partially owned by Soreass and doesn’t consider them a legitimate source.

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- hornz
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:36pm
  Oh I would lose to see those emails. Never let those pesky facts and sources get in the way. lol
  
  I have a couple of crazy relatives who like to send nutty emails (i.e. birthers). I rip apart their “facts” every time. It’s actually entertaining to respond to them.
  
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- Conservative2
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:57pm
  Ok rip apart the fact of where this current POS was born?
  
  Use facts now, provable ones!
  
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perry1980
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:31pm
I smell Voter Fraud already

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- expresso
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Remember what Stalin had to say about voting:
  ‘It doesn’t matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes.’
  There are 37.6% registered Republicans vs. 33.3% Democrats as of August 2012. Check the numbers for 2008 and compare them with 2012 and the only logical conclusion is Romney by 5-6 points. In 2008 the numbers were revesed, the results … we all know. BTW, Independents – 29.2%.
  BHO can only steal this election!!!!
  Its from Rasmussen. Very reliable source.
  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation
  
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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 5:13pm
  I smelled voter fraud the day they legalized illegal aliens (potential dummycrat votes). Even if this whole thing were a false alarm it is still an indication of how desperate Obummer is to keep his kingdom.
  
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hornz
Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:26pm
You mad that Snopes relies on facts? Not to be confused with opinions, facts are hard to refute.

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- pitboss
  Posted on September 13, 2012 at 4:49pm
  Yes, facts are hard to refute…like 23 million Americans are unemployed, like 46.7 million Americans are drawing welfare, like Obama has added over 5.4 trillion to the deficit since taking office, and like Obama added 613 new regulations his first 33 months in office. Yet, liberals try their best to refute these FACTS!
  
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- stevetherealist
  Posted on September 18, 2012 at 6:08pm
  the current amount of unemployed is more like 13 million. The 23 million you quote includes people that believe they are under-employed. So you are trying to deceive. I would take on any of your assumptions. This guy is a good President and it can be proven.
  
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