NEW YORK (TheBlaze/AP) — An anti-terrorism law was struck down Wednesday by a federal judge who said she saw legitimate fears in claims by journalists, scholars and political activists that they could face indefinite detention for exercising First Amendment rights.
U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan ruled that the law, passed as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for 2012, was unconstitutional. She said the government has softened its position toward those who filed suit challenging the law, but she said the “shifting view” could not erase the threat of indefinite military detention. She urged Congress to make the law more specific or consider whether it is needed at all.
“First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and cannot be legislated away,” Forrest wrote. “This Court rejects the Government’s suggestion that American citizens can be placed in military detention indefinitely, for acts they could not predict might subject them to detention.”
In May, the judge temporarily struck down the law subjecting to indefinite detention anyone who “substantially” or “directly” provides “support” to forces such as al-Qaida or the Taliban. She heard additional arguments last month before issuing the final ruling, likely to be appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
While calling the law “unconstitutionally overbroad,” Forrest said the government can use another law to indefinitely detain people connected to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks or others picked up on the field of battle. She said the government at some point without additional congressional authorization began interpreting its detention authority more broadly.
“In short, the Court can find no authority in domestic law or the law of war, nor can the government point to any, to justify the concept of ‘support’ as a valid ground for detention,” Forrest wrote.
The judge said the government struggled to explain what the statute means and what and whose activities it was written to cover.
“That is no small question bandied about amongst lawyers and a judge steeped in arcane questions of constitutional law; it is a question of defining an individual’s core liberties,” she said.
She questioned in her 112-page opinion whether a news article perceived as favorable to the Taliban and garnering support for the Taliban could be considered to have “substantially supported” the Taliban?
“How about a YouTube video? Where is the line between what the government would consider “journalistic reporting” and “propaganda?” she asked. “Who will make such determinations? Will there be an office established to read articles, watch videos, and evaluate speeches in order to make judgments along a spectrum of where the support is ‘modest’ or ‘substantial?’”
Ellen Davis, a U.S. Attorney’s office spokeswoman, said the government had no comment.
Plaintiffs’ lawyer Bruce Afran called the ruling “very historic” and said it was rare in the last half century that a judge would declare a federal statute unconstitutional for directly intruding on speech.
“But it was a very extraordinary attempt by the government to provide punishment for speech,” he said.
Among plaintiffs who testified at a March hearing was Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Christopher Hedges, who has interviewed al-Qaida members, conversed with members of the Taliban during speaking engagements overseas and reported on 17 groups named on a list prepared by the State Department of known terrorist organizations. He testified the law has led him to consider altering speeches where members of al-Qaida or the Taliban might be present.
The judge said that she was “mindful of the extraordinary importance of the government’s efforts to safeguard the country from terrorism” and that the high stakes of those efforts and the executive branch’s expertise mean the courts owe the political branches “a great deal of deference in the area of national security.”
But she said the Constitution places limits on the president’s power to act and requires courts to safeguard core Constitutional rights. She noted that scattered cases during World War II when the Supreme Court sanctioned undue deference to the executive and legislative branches resulted in actions that “are generally now considered an embarrassment,” such as the internment of Japanese Americans based on wartime security concerns.
Forrest called the government’s suggestion that the court’s role be limited to a post-detention habeas review “without merit and, indeed, dangerous” because cases would take years to be resolved and are reviewed under a lesser legal standard.
She said if habeas petitions that allow prisoners to challenge their detention are the only way for those detained under the law to gain freedom – even U.S. citizens on U.S. soil – then “core Constitutional rights available in criminal matters would simply be eliminated.”
She added: “No court can accept this proposition and adhere truthfully to its oath.”





















































































































Comments (65)
Critters58
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:34amCourts don’t have a right over this . As long as we are at war they can detain. We are at War, don’t want these guys out to kill your children!
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katzkiner
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:57amIf we are at war why is the Muslim Brotherhood a guest at the Whitehouse? Al-Quaida is on our payroll in Libya and Syria. Who are we at war with? When you are under siege, you are at war.
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objectivetruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 10:47amYes the courts do.This isn’t about removing the ability of indefinite detention of those who are caught on the batttlefield.That law remains.This is about a alphabet soup agency that wants powers the constitution expressly forbids.Do you even understand the slippery slope doctrine?
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cgnick
Sep. 13, 2012 at 8:58pmYou obviously have no use for the constitution.
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Mr.Fitnah
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:39pmAt war with whom?
As a conservative small government tea party supporter Im the threat.
Islam is a great religion hijacked( with out any supporting proof) by extremists.
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SquareHead
Sep. 14, 2012 at 10:54amWhat do you mean that the courts don’t have a right to do this! Well neither does the Government have the right to indefinitely detain or assassinate Americans at will. The whole War on Terror is a farce to give the the Government unrestrained power to do as it pleases, like the Monarchs of old.
You must work for the Government to come up with that idea, or be very ignorant of our constitution and history in general.
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katzkiner
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:28amJan. 2012 Congress declared th USA a battlefield. Consider carefully the implications.
The British passed what the colonists called the Intolerables Acts in the early 1770′s.
It eliminated the citizens rights to grand juries, speedy trial by a jury of their of their peers.
Unlimited search and seizure of anything, anytime. Indefinite detention without indictment or trial. And many more transgressions of civil liberties.
Isn’t eerie how the tactics of tyrany change so little. Battlefield? Probably
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katzkiner
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:44amBattlefield? We live in a battlefield!
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saneromeo
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:09amA Federal judge, and in New York of all places, how astounding. What a victory! That clause has had me very scared for the future of our country, lets pray there is no appeal.
http://saneromeo.wordpress.com/
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termyt
Sep. 13, 2012 at 8:54amWow, how did this judge make it to the bench? She not only seems to understand the Constitution but is willing to use it to limit government power in the way our Founders intended it to be limited.
Thank you, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest, for protecting us. May God bless you and keep you.
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Elena2010
Sep. 13, 2012 at 3:59pmJust abt what I was going to say — a judge who has read and understood our Constitution and takes her oath to uphold it seriously!
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Individualism
Sep. 13, 2012 at 8:21ami guess we have to rely on good judges to protect our constitutional rights now and now if non police try to arrest you can stand your ground. i don’t know if Neo Conservatives are mad about this and it might have stopped their plans of mass murder for now.
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nighttrainno9
Sep. 13, 2012 at 7:35amA judge can say whatever he wants, but it won’t stop our out
of control govt. from doing whatever they want. Sadly this is
probably the end of America as we know it. Vets, people
with guns, people speaking out against the govt. will
continue to disappear, it may be to late to return our country
to the republic it once was.
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piper60
Sep. 13, 2012 at 8:22amI hate to say this, but you are absolutely right. I remember the movie version of 1984. The government probably wouldn’t allow it to be released nowadays.
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NineteenEighty4
Sep. 13, 2012 at 7:31amJust because it was ruled unconstitutional doesn’t mean we don’t still do it. They just want to legalize the practice they already do. Now, the current practice is not to jail you, but to send you to a psychiatric ward, if you speak out against the government. They can legally hold you for days, or maybe even weeks until you are deemed “not to be a threat to yourself or others.” They detain you without legally detaining you.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Sep. 13, 2012 at 8:18amWell, at least no Republicans voted for this seeing as how we are relying on them to hold Romney accountable when he wins.
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objectivetruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 10:49amYeah they borrowed from the old soviet union.
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FREEDOMoverFEAR
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:19pmRoth
John McCain wrote section 1032 of the NDAA which is the section which has been struck down. Military men tend to trust the government more than civilians.
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bertr
Sep. 13, 2012 at 7:09amI’m happy about this too, but the timing on this is Very odd to say the least given what’s been going on in the last couple days and i dont remember hearing anything about the NDAA from a judicial level officially before hand. hopefully this isnt being used to marginalize people in favor of constitutional rights in the wake of hightened terrorist activity and public outcry.
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Naps
Sep. 13, 2012 at 7:25amThis Judge should be given the highest patriotic honor available. Too bad Slick Mitt and Barry support the indefinite detention of American citizens. But the Supreme court will find it constitutional somehow someway just like they did Romney….oh im sorry,ObamaCare.
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pamela kay
Sep. 13, 2012 at 2:40amThis is great, but why do I have a feeling that somehow this decision will be reversed?
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Godzgrl247
Sep. 13, 2012 at 5:16amThat’s what I’m thinking.
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Wolf
Sep. 13, 2012 at 7:10amA judge can declare anything ‘unconstitutional’. But it doesn’t stop the terrorists in our government to continue as planned. Anyone they want will just ‘disappear’ and no judge can stop that.
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RamonPreston
Sep. 13, 2012 at 9:49pmFEMA camps, coffins, body bags, bullets and guillotines all over the country. The NWO wants to reduce to population to one-half billion. Think about it.
They can arrest you without any charges and nobody ever sees you again. Be afraid.
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suz
Sep. 13, 2012 at 2:01amwell that’s one judge. now we need 49 more.
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Cruelnunusual
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:34amYay, freedom!
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johnpaulkuchtajr
Sep. 13, 2012 at 6:31amYeah, Cruelnunusual, now all you have to do is explain to me what those 1.3 billion rounds of ammo that your tax dollars just bought will be used to do. Any ideas?
Freedom?
We’re about as far away from that concept as you can get? Have you flown lately? Now, TSA agents are giving flyers grief for their “attitude” after being X-rayed, patted down and having your luggage rummaged-through.
I wonder what the “Red Coats” would have thought about the “attitude” of the typical American Revolutionary in 1776?
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objectivetruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 11:08amThose rounds are backup in case the cat is let out of the bag.You know like mass genocide under the guise of medicine.Where they falsely diagnosis you with a disease where the cure kills if you don’t have it]cancer for one].Using home care they meticously kill you then send you to the local morgue till the trains transport you to the crematorium[aka fema camp].The eos is using states where a high number of seniors reside.This is how it starts.They can also use this as a cover for fiduary fraud too.I would elaborate but it would take two pages or more.Fla seems to be the central point for them though.
Well the cat was already let out of the bag.Now you know.
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LameLiberals
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:34amThank God this judge KNOWS her job as a judge is to state whether something is constitutional or not.
Unlike that IDIOT supreme court judge that George Bush appointed who states that his job was not to protect voters from elections so he said ObamaCare was constitutional even though it wasn’t and said if we wanted it gone, to vote someone else in.
Obama’s administration voted 16 times at the United Nations to make criticism of Islam a GLOBAL LAW. WTH!!! This was said on Hannity or Van Susteran show by a very knowledgeable guest.
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TheBurningTruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 3:46amThe amazing part is that if this absurd law about “offending religions” was ever passed, it would NOT be applied to Christianity. The muslim terrorists (ALL are extremists) would go on killing Christians and the UN and Barry wouldn’t think anything of it.
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newwell
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:28amI am impressed by the ruling of this Justice. Thanks to her that she has some common sense & some values, especially out of NY. From what I read, this entire miscarriage of the Constitution needs to be smashed to smithereens, not just piece-mealed. If the O has his way…enough said!!
But this is too eerie/strange. I was reading about the NDAA “Marital Law by Executive Order” just this afternoon. Actually sent a link from the Huff Post to many of my friends. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/martial-law-under-another_b_1370819.html . I was actually pretty impressed by the write up in the HP. Take some time to read it. It’s a scary situation at best, so be prepared.
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newwell
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:49amSorry, the article is actually about the “Executive Order — National Defense Resources Preparedness” signed by the “O” on March 16, 2012. It’s very scary who will be in charge of everything.
An excerpt from the article that I cited is:”The new Executive Order states that the president and his secretaries have the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic resources, including food and water, as well as seize all energy and transportation infrastructure inside the borders of the United States. The Government can also forcibly draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill “labor requirements” for the purposes of “national defense.” There is not even any Congressional oversight allowed, only briefings.
In the NDAA, only the president had the authority to abrogate legitimate freedoms of U.S. citizens. What is extraordinary in the new Executive Order is that this supreme power is designated through the president to the secretaries that run the Government itself” (list of the secretaries overseeing each category follows.)
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nzkiwi
Sep. 13, 2012 at 2:46amGood post, Newell.
I agree with you entirely. Thanks also for the good link.
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objectivetruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 10:53amThis is merely a rewrite of the war powers act of ww2.The difference then is that war was declared.We actually had an end goal in sight chiefly the war.There isn’t a end in sight to this which is what makes this bad.
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wcu
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:13amPlease check out the P.A.N.D.A website. The organization is looking for chapter heads in every city around the country. This NDAA provision fight probably isn’t over, but its encouraging to see a judge take a stand over this nonsense.
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Stoic one
Sep. 13, 2012 at 5:09amAll I saw with a quick search was/is Russian antivirus software………………..
If you are talking about something else – please provide the link.
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@PandaUnite
Sep. 15, 2012 at 3:43amLink: http://www.pandaunite.org
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lizaz
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:12amFree speech is being attacked and broken apart, little by little….they will destroy our rights if we reelect this “administration”!! We need a PRESIDENT!!! November 6…..vote for sanity!!!
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LameLiberals
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:36amDon’t just blame Obama for NDAA. Virtually everyone in the House AND Senate APPROVED IT. The usual Anti-Constitution reps who signed off are McCain and Graham and Collins BUT Michelle Bachman and Allen West who claim to follow the Constitution voted for it also.
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FREEDOMoverFEAR
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:23pmMcCain and West were in the military and in my experience most ex military are more trusting of the Government than civilians, and Bachman well she’s a woman…
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tzion
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:59amWell it wasn’t the amendment I’d have thought they’d use but they got it done.
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Dougral Supports Israel
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:56amThe inconsistencies of this administration are astounding. Obama wants to showcase the American justice system by extending every right under the sun and then some to non-citizen, military target, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed by giving him a $200 million civilian trial in NYC. Then they classify the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence. However, under the NDAA the government claims the power to grab citizens off the streets for whatever reason they can conjure up.
I can’t sympathize with these jokers at all. They are not keeping us safe but instead are supporting the very people that are want to kill us and destroy our culture. Thank God for the judge but we as citizens must also make sure that we will have no toleration for violations of our rights.
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abbygirl1994
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:54amWow, I am impressed.. a judge from NY!! That’s like a miracle!
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Delores at CH WV
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:54amWow, Women Power at its best. This judge is sound; she knows the core values that our US Constitution gives its citizens; something that the other branches of government has swept under the rug to allow them to terrorize their citizens. It is about time that Common Sense has a voice in America.
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LameLiberals
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:40amThe majority of women are lousy followers of the Constitution.
Most women are democrats!!!!!
Most women are very willing to give up freedoms for security and like being felt up and exrayed by TSA at airports/bus stations etc. Most women LIKE the government to take care of them instead of standing on their own two feet. Ben Franklin “Those who give up freedoms for security – DESERVE NEITHER.
Look at the 3 lousy women on the Supreme Court who don’t bother reading the Constitution.
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cookcountypatriot
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:48amwow really….a victory for freedom….its been a long time
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DEFCON4
Sep. 13, 2012 at 1:03amIndeed, a breath liberty from a federal judge, appointed by Pres. Obama .
Who can actually connect the checks and balances guaranteed in the Constitution!!!
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drs1969
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:43amI’ve been mad at my Congrees-critter ever since they voted for this garbage. I’m glad we have at least one sensible judge.
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Force2bewreckin
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:42amIt is about time a federal judge stands up for the constitution. here here!
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kalli
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:42amI’m impressed! A New York Federal Judge struck this down “indefinite detentkion.” I pray the whole thing gets struck down in entirety as NDAA is unconstitutional.
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U.N.hater
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:41amAnother arm of Agenda21 being shot down. About time. I really do hate the U.N.
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resme
Sep. 13, 2012 at 12:36amThis happened in new york… WHAT?????
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objectivetruth
Sep. 13, 2012 at 11:58amI know I know that was my reaction as well.Well we see the bloomberg obama koolaid hasn’t affected everyones brain.Wanna take bets on how long it will be before someone attempts to get her off the bench?
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Sep. 13, 2012 at 2:55pmPerhaps unifying principles are not fiction
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