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Sep. 14, 2012 11:23pm Jason Howerton

(AP)

Less than 24 hours after a federal judge in New York ruled the federal government could not indefinitely detain “suspected” terrorists, the Obama administration asked a court to suspend the ruling.

U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest on Wednesday struck down the anti-terrorism law, passed as a part of the National Defense Authorization Act for 2012, that she called unconstitutional in its provisions for indefinite military detention.

The law allows detention of people suspected of “substantially” or “directly” providing support to groups such as al-Qaida or the Taliban. A group of political activists, journalists and scholars took the federal government to court over the law, citing concerns they could end up being held for exercising their First Amendment rights.

Government lawyers called such concerns unfounded, but Forrest said in her ruling Wednesday that she found them legitimate.

In court papers filed Friday, the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan asked for a stay of the decision while the government appeals.

The law concerns “the president’s exercise of his commander-in-chief power in the context of the United States’ current combat operations against al-Qaida, the Taliban and their associated forces,” Assistant U.S. Attorneys Benjamin Torrance and Christopher Harwood wrote. “The court’s injunction against the exercise of those war powers … should be stayed.”

From Huffington Post:

In a stay request signed by New York’s Southern District U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, Assistant Attorney General Stuart Delery and Department of Defense General Counsel Jeh Johnson, the government argued that the injunction was an “unprecedented” trespass on power of the president and the legislature that by its very nature was doing irreparable harm.

One of the plaintiffs’ lawyers, Bruce Afran, said the judge’s ruling should stand. He noted that enforcement has been on hold since May, when the judge issued an earlier decision.

“There’s no basis for the government to get permission now to use the law,” Afran said, saying he was concerned that the government might plan to start making immediate use of the law.

The issue of “indefinite detention” has been one of the few that has been able to bring both ultra conservatives and the far left together in pursuance of a common goal.

An official with the U.S. attorney’s office refused to comment on the case.

The judge, in her ruling this week, said she realized the gravity of the government’s anti-terrorism work and said courts should afford the administration considerable deference on national security.

But she called the law that’s under scrutiny “unconstitutionally overbroad,” questioning whether it could be applied to a news article if it were perceived as favorable to the Taliban.

“Where is the line between what the government would consider ‘journalistic reporting’ and ‘propaganda?’” the judge wrote. “Who will make such determinations?”

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Christopher Hedges, who has interviewed al-Qaida members and reported on 17 groups named on a Department of State list of known terrorist organizations, testified at a March hearing that the law was so vague that it was impossible to know what might be illegal.

The judge noted that the government can use another law that permits indefinite detention of people connected to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks or others picked up on the field of battle.

Front page image from Jim Watson/AFP/Getty Images.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Comments (167)

katzkiner
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:29am
In WWII you could.sit on the.beaches and watch German U-boats sink freighters. Crisis.
In 2012 the.crisis is the American people waking up and.saying “Hell No!” to the.thieves
Hence in Jan. 2012 the thieves declared the USA a battlefield. Citizens are inmates. You have no rights. When they come to get you for some thought crime, go quietly or die. The definition of tyrany. Hitler, Stalin, and Chairman Mao are bumping knuckles.with the.devil in hell. They won.

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- spikebu
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:20am
  No, they didn’t.
  
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- shogun459
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:21am
  Not yet they haven’t.
  
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- johnpaulkuchtajr
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:39am
  They won’t win until one of their robots is prying my 30:06 from my cold, stiff fingers! Props to Charleton Heston.
  
  Our government thinks that it will come down to hand-to-hand, explaining why they just bought the DHS a total of 1.3 BILLION rounds of ammo.
  
  Nobody lives happily ever after in this fairy tale, my friends!
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:09pm
  Keep in mind the GOP is just as much to blame as the dems.
  They all want more control.
  The two party system in which neither follows the Constitution is what has destroyed our country.
  
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- korbin
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:19pm
  THE BLAZE HAD DELETED THIS POST ONCE? Having quotes from our founding fathers and bragging about how many firearms we own and how tough we are is fine. WE all need to “be involved” prepare yourself spiritually, prepare yourself with food, supplies and security. Be prepared to assist your neighbor, get involved with your community make it known where you stand on issues, dont be afraid to speak your mind but do not be stupid it is what they want. Go to oath keepers.org learn what the oath means if you do not know. Read the US Constitution and make sure you know before anything happens what the truth is. Government wants all of us to think that in an emergency the Constitution goes out the door WRONG that is the time we need it most. Buy Pocket constitutions and hand them out they cost .30 each buy them at http://www.nccs.net/pocket_constitution.html It our responsibility to share with others. If many would forgo buying i tunes for a month, a couple less StarBucks they could afford $120.00 for 400 Pocket Constitutions That is one way to do your part. Japanese Americans during WWII were detained obviously we forget what our Government is capable of.
  
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- neoconenemy
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:29pm
  There is no difference between Obama and Romney on NDAA. On of the many reasons i will be voting for neither of them.
  
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- PutMoreOnMyPlate
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 10:58am
  For God so loved the World that He sent His only begotten Son to perish for our sins then to rise up again so that we may be saved from God’s wrath. All you have to do is accept that gift. That is the saving Gospel of God.
  
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Wyerd_001
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:15am
The obama administration is investigating the maker of the film the the whitehouse claims is responsibl for the riots in the middle east, even though he has committed no crime, instead of standing up for the man’s constitutional rights. But today, if the Ruling was suspended, he could hold him indefinately as a “suspected” terrorist? And never have to charge him.

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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:27am
  I guess all the bragging that was done at the DNC about Osama Bin Laden not being better off than four years ago did nothing to rile the Muslims to riot.
  
  They simple killed Osama to keep quiet the CIA’s plot to use him to cover up 911.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:33am
  Or Dinesh D’Souza.
  
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- spikebu
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:43am
  Think. This made up crap that nobody ever heard of until these idiots rioted, or D’Souza’s film that millions are seeing? If they are making the case to “detain” someone for a political film, it’s D’Souza. Pray for him.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:03am
  If the filmmaker is taken away as you say, it willl be done via the NDAA – which was passed by a REPUBLICAN house……
  
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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:00pm
  Soy
  
  You’re right about that, republicans support the military and police too much, John McCain wrote section 1032 at Obamas request. Never trust a politician who was in the military too long it brain washes them.
  
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- Female
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:21pm
  They aren’t going to take him away indefinitely ….they have him on parole violations. They can throw him in any prison for the the video being youtubed. The interesting thing about the timeline of him directing the film is he was in prison during much of the casting and filming, hmmmm. FALLGUY?
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:35am
  It is BHO who is doing irreparable harm to the USA.
  
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ChiefGeorge
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:12am
Its amazing to me that we can even still comment on such things. Time to learn new communications skills.

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- Daddy Hawg
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:32am
  dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:21am
  Or we could get off our A$$ and stand up! You find a new way i’m going to fight to keep my right’s. I’m not going to hide underground. I call you and everyone like you COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama can F-OFF!!!!!
  
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- MCDAVE
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:02pm
  @ Chiefgeorge Never stop voicing our opinions,they win when we cower in fear,
  
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blackyb
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:38am
Obama wants to jail the terrorists until he is ready to free them on the public, on the Americans. Obama wants them to have a place to live here, be fed, guarded and catered to until his time is ready to use them against us. They are his army in waiting.

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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:08am
  That would be a lot of terrorists! Where are they now and where are they in the courts?
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:16am
  And when his army of pampered terrorists are released they will walk slowly…with their arms out in front…groaning “brains”…If you’re going to make stuff up you might as well go all the way.
  
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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:29am
  The law doesn’t specify Muslim terrorist, it says people who are determined to be terrorist against the government.
  
  Look out Christians, here we go.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:54pm
  Did Obama give us the TSA or DHS?
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:43am
  @Black
  BHO wants to jail veterans, gun owners, conservatives and all people he and his smart gang consider right extremists. Princess Pelosi was the first in calling our veterans and soldiers abroad extremists.
  
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:29am
Here are two USMC Generals views. Please read the last line.

“They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/generals-confront-obama-s-ndaa-say-it-s-a-victory-for-bin-laden

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- katzkiner
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:07am
  God bless the USMC!
  
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- sgtbrown01
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:32am
  Krulak was comandant when I was active….always thought him to be an honorable man no surprise he spoke out against this
  
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- cloudsofwar
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:34am
  @ deo…. the marines need to go to DC and stop this dictatorship.
  
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blackyb
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:26am
Next he will issue sling shots to our troops against the mobs in the foreign countries where we have established “U.S. soil.” Those people do not respect that. Who are we trying to fool here. Bring our people home and let them all rot over there. Establish interests here, in this country.

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- PoliticallyRightUs.Com
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:45am
  Well you are half right… Obama will issue rocks (to be thrown by hand) to make it a FAIR fight!
  
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- ChiefGeorge
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:10am
  Our national INTERESTS? Think about that for a second or two. What does that really mean exactly?
  
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Inlightofthings
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:26am
The only answer is to keep it out of civil court and in military hands for non-citizens. If citizens are accused of domestic terrorism, it certainly seems a law would apply. Habeas Corpus, due process etc. Time hold the legislative branch accountable for ensuring current laws are enforceable / being enforced prior to passing.

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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:41am
  They come over here and Obama gives the citizenship so they will avoid military trials. They use crooked lawyers and those of theirs who are home grown from these liberal universities who get them money with law suits and bypass what is right so they can be freed to strike again. Obama and his thugs have it going from every angle.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:06am
  Oh please, how are you going to make them be responsible when the vast majority of them voted for it. Some might have thought if they didn’t sign it, it would hurt the troops. Yet, those who stated that turned around and voted not to get rid of the specific clause from the Bill. Your “Tea Party” was all for it.
  
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- Inlightofthings
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:31am
  Held accountable…?….Sounds like a Judge did just that…
  
  Angry…you sound a bit like the guy in the break room that has some great points but sits back b!+C4es instead of engaging with management to solve problems. Stirring up the pot, making sure you have a small yet attentive audience. I’m sure you know, in the real world when they tell you not to let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out, those folks won’t be following.
  
  Government is a process for the very reason just demonstrated. There is no perfect candidate and they are all politicians and FAR too many have a JD behind their names for my liking. Bottom line is there is only one solution and that is to win more elections. The result is more judgeships…
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:05am
  maybe we should focus on electing judges who will strike down all these stupid laws.
  
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- Inlightofthings
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:02am
  INDY:
  There is hope for you yet…..
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:45am
  For those who wish to know ‘who you are,’ please study the Law of the Flag — Skip the ‘conspiracy crap,’ and understand from the SOURCE what that Gold Fringe means on EVERY US/State flag in your post offices, court rooms, and other govt buildings — Then — Study the LAWS themselves from their source…
  Understand what exactly Admiralty Law is, where it comes from, how it applies (if it applies) – concurrently understand what military/maritime/equity courts are; Understand the Common Law – IF we still have it (that would be the Republic’s Constitution, y’all) – This ain’t no David Copperfield ‘majik show,’ but it does give the illusion. Be VERY aware of the flags on uniforms also — inverted and mirrored ‘us’ flag MEANS something — find out WHICH Constitution the Oath of Office is sworn to, at ALL levels. Here’s a good starting point with quite a few original sources to follow for due diligence… —>http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:52pm
  @Inlightofthings, They aren’t my ideas, hoss. I’m just pointing out which politicians support unconstitutional laws because the media won’t do it, and your boy fits the bill. If you’re comfortable voting for someone that is going to swear to uphold the Constitution, but has been on record saying that he really thinks little of it, that’s on you. I’d personally suggest you stand up for what’s right so we can purge the GOP of it’s progressive authoritarian dickwads (fascists) like Twitt Romney and the Neocons. It won’t be the end of the world if Obama is re-elected and we take control of the Senate like so many “The sky is falling” freaks keep saying.
  
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- Inlightofthings
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:32pm
  ANGRY:
  Of course it won’t be the end of the world…just the end of the world as we knew it. Historically voids are filled with extremists and ending the GOP will allow for just that. If you think third party is so keen and will not lead to further extremism I think you’re foolish. We’re really up against a great deal and I’m hopeful you are on the losing side either way. I still question motives primarily because I don’t trust angry people…they are typically irrational and poor decision-makers.
  
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blackyb
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:18am
Either Obama knows NO law or he is usurping what we have here in this country. Either way he is not fit and/or eligible to be where he is.

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- afishfarted
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:31am
  He is lawless. When the law gets in the way of his agenda, he either ignores it or issues an executive order. And sadly, when he does issue e.o.’s, the spinless congress doesn’t challenge it. Other prez’s have used e.o.’s unconstitutioanly including Bush when he signed Directive 51. But NONE has used e.o.’s like this one. He’s bypassed congress so many times he could really be called a dictator.
  
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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:33am
  King Hussein our faithful Muslim leader we lead our nation straight into the bowels of Hell.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:42am
  Keep in mind;
  The patriot act and TSA came about from a GOP President.
  NDAA has the support of both sides of the isle.
  People need to wake up and realize red vs. blue is what they want.
  They want us to continue fighting amongst ourselves meanwhile they push on for Utopia.
  Also,
  Romney = Obama
  
  Gary Johnson 2012! For liberty!
  
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blackyb
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:17am
Obama is just looking to recruit them and use them. Obama says it is them he is wanting to indefinitely incarcarate but it is the average American citizen he is setting up for. Obama is not trustworthy in anything he does. If I never hear Obama’s name again it will be too soon. There is just something about that man I cannot stand to hear or see. There is something there that I thought in my lifetime I would never have to deal with. This man is in the process of doing great evil to this country. I have never been so against a man in the White House before and it is not his color, for I would vote in a heart beat for Alan West. This Obama is a liar.I despise him. He needs to get out of our White House and be put in jail for fraud and treason at the very least. I know it. There is nothing that will or can change my mind on this. I have researched and read too much for these things to be made up. There are just too many people who are credible that is saying the same thing.

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- Armyduderetired
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:19am
  Don’t forget that the congress is controlled by career progressive republicans that also want the power to detain and use the military to en-save us. This is simply treason. We trusted Bush And got the patriot act, homeland security,TSA, EPA with swat teams, and countless other freedom robbing policies. We need to start Deffending the Constition against all enemies foreign or domestic. I, for one, Stand on the side of liberty. The NDAA violates and subverts its authority. Any Senator or congressman who voted for this is guilty of treason. That is precisely why the Obama administration wants it blocked. You should not be surprised here on this sight. You blindly believe that the republican party is going to save you. I, myself, prefer to put my trust in Jesus Christ the lord and savior. In that I know I’m safe and saved. And until my time comes to leave this realm, I will choose FREEWILL.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:32am
  Allen West voted for NDAA..The Republicans sponsored this bill, they are all traitors, all but 3 that is.
  
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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:19pm
  I put my trust in Jesus and my colt M-16′s and my land in Wyoming. Get ready to defend your freedom America.
  
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wisehiney
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:13am
They are ruined. One way or another. They misjudged and peaked too early. Tried to pull a fast one. We will not forget. Whew! That was close. Do not forget who sided with them. They will not be truly conquered. Last time it got this bad, we sent them back to England and put their land and homes up for or auction, or granted them to our heroes. Will be a bit more difficult this time, but until then, watch the snakes closely.

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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:33am
  Tell me how they are ruined. I need some hope. I am acting like I am fighting a keyboard war all by myself, at times. I have found many places that has said or is saying what I am and that makes me feel like I am sharing a load. Now it is up to these Officials who can to get that fraud out of our White House and round up those who have helped him. We are going to have to use the troops to get this bunch of vermin settled where they should. Get all of them out of this country. None of them are up to any good. None of the are on our side. It seems the romantics are thinking these people have some good in them. Not so. They will chew you up and spit you out at the first chance they get. Obama is in our White House learning and privy to all our Security. Someone better keep a close eye on this guy. He is not who those leftist think he is. He is so far left of them he is bumping back into them from behind to get out of the way to he can make another left circle. That man has duped so many blacks and Mexicans and women that he could win the election after the votes and by cheating, which there is no doubt a lot of will be going on.
  
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burned at edges
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:08am
boy suddenly everybody sounds like ron paul supporters

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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:23am
  You wish. Ron needs to stand down. We all need to get on board for Romney in case this clown is not arrested before the election. They are going to cheat/steal this election because he has enough “you can vote” throught the mail things going around that my dog could vote. This man is going to hang on by his teeth and toe nails to take this country into a dictatorship so he will not have to go to jail. He is going to change law until he can fein any excuse to arrest those who oppose him. He is ready with an Executive Order to do anything he can do that will take too much time to undo.
  
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- Bob_R_OathKeeper
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:52am
  They are called American Patriots, you man-worshiping freak.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:11am
  Romney’s a NWO shill two that hates the Constitution (America) just as much as Obama. Why get on board with that?
  
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- nzkiwi
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:17am
  Most of what Mr Paul says makes very good sense.
  
  The trouble is that he is not carrying enough of the country with him. He has said himself that he does not expect to be elected to the presidency, but wishes to use the platform to move America closer to its founding pinciples.
  
  I agree with him. His supporters constitute a substantial voting block and this forces the GOP to move in his direction to capture it. He is interested in getting the USA away from the big government philosophy and returning it to the ideals which made it great.
  
  He has played his hand very astutely and unselfishly, and I think that his stated objective will eventually be acheived.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:57am
  @ JUST_ANGRY: JUST SHUT UP. Your Liberal paid for lies don’t float here. MITT doesn’t NEED to be President like the arrogant jackass in the WH now or the hysterical RON PAUL boys.. but he knows he can help AMERICA. I believe him. HE’S so much better than you can or are capable of understanding. Maybe that’s because it’s been a while since a real GENTLEMAN which CHARACTER and ETHICS and a LOVE FOR FREEDOM was on the scene. We are so used to watching money-grubbing politicians. Like PELOSI, like FEINStEIN, like CLINTONS, like REID, Like most of the rest of them who came to DC with a 6 figure worth and left with 7 or 8 figure wealth.
  What the world needs now is GOD. SATAN is having a field day. Those poor ignorant pre-historic animals roaming 21 M.E. Countries throwing rocks, screaming and fist-bumping the sky are being used. Name the last time a LEADER built a real school, not an indoctrination/brain washing center for kids. Name the last time a LEADER built a hospital; stood up for our AMERICAN HISTORY and our FOUNDING FATHERS? OUR WORLD has dissolved into a snake pit of grubby, lying politicians and the dastardly Muslims creeping over the hill salivating over the prospect of flying a black flag over the WHITE HOUSE. This is our last election if we lose. This is the end of all types of FREEDOM, if we lose. There is no more luxury of time …we hopefully are just awakened in time!!!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:42am
  Patti, 8 witnesses put Romney at the Bilderberg conference. Ryan has written articles for the CFR. The media that you let do you thinking for you all has CFR membership. Romney is on record supporting every un-American anti-Constitutional bill Obama and Bush have signed post 9/11. I’ve posted CFR assessments of Romney’s positions on here numerous times and there’s no way he loves the America you and I love. No person that supports the legislation that this article references gives a rat’s ass about you or any other American for that matter. They appall freedom and the Constitution. As for your perspective on the boogie men in the Middle East… well it comes from the CFR. All the talking heads and news outlets you watch have CFR membership. You have brainwashed by the globalist propaganda. I have posted many times what I’ve seen when I was over there, and how I don’t believe it matches the media and politicians rhetoric. Yes, there are a lot of crazies that hate us over there. Some have good reasons because one man’s “collateral damage” is another man’s child and we’re killing those people so a few men can steal their resources. They are militarily weak and unable to attack us here if we adopt common sense immigration policies, which Romney and Ryan are against. The first sentence of your post is a hysterical lie based on what? Let me give you a tip, sweetie… Romney supporters are liberals if they aren’t admittedly only voting the lesser of two
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:31am
  i am still amazed that people are willing to support a progressive because he is running against a socialist. Does that remind anyone of overton window?
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:00am
  I am sure Bob will have a blast enforcing NDAA, rounding up Americans and indefinitely detaining them forever or kill them. you sure won’t be worshiping these people when there out to destroy you. how the 30′s are now repeating itself in this country now.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:13am
  Good obersvation however I’ll take them on my side…
  
  All this really proves is that it’s all about how the Media presents the issue.. It’s so unfortunate but the masses both Conservative and Liberal are all led by the Media.
  
  All these Republicans hated on Dr. Paul for telling them the truth.. Now that some of their “Israel firsters” in the Media highlight the issue they fall in line and all of suddenly they see the dangers.. lol
  
  Like I said it’s unfortunate that people are so dense but at least they finally see the dangers.. Maybe they will eventually come around on other concerns/issues of Dr. Paul and the US Constitution… Or maybe they are waiting on Mr. Beck and Hannity to show them the way? lol
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:37am
  Bob-
  Where were the patriots when this bill was put through in the first place? Sponsored by the Republican party. Only 3 republicans voted against it. 3…..Time to stop the Party worship and hold our supposed representatives accountable.
  
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- techengineer11
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 11:30am
  WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:37am
  Bob-
  Where were the patriots when this bill was put through in the first place? Sponsored by the Republican party. Only 3 republicans voted against it. 3…..Time to stop the Party worship and hold our supposed representatives accountable.
  
  Great post. These Israel firsters beck worshippers can’t see their nose for their face… I think my post pretty much summed up the problem and that is at the core our people are not trained to think… We are dense and we are led around by the Media.
  
  The Bob guy means well but he’s just not that smart.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 2:35pm
  @PattyHenry, You sit there and call Just Angry liberal, but you are the one that sounds like a liberal. Liberals do nothing but bash people for their views, get all bent out of shape and end up sounding irrational, just like you are doing. If everyone would look at the big picture and see that both parties are the enemy tody, we could start making plans to fix our country. It was quite apparent that both parties ignored the voice of the people at the conventions and pushed through their agenda against the nays of their delegates. If this has not made all of you open your eyes to what is really going on, I do not think you ever will and our country is dead as we know it. Romney is for the Patriot Act and the NDAA as it was written and signed by Obama. These two bills are against everything our founders fought against in drafting our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Any American who would vote for anyone that is for these two Unconstitutional laws are not thinking like Constitutional Americans in my eyes.
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 3:50pm
  Bob_R_Oathkeeper? Oathkeepers By Law Section 8.04. Code of Conduct.
  “All members must understand that their actions not only reflect on Oath Keepers but on the entire military, law enforcement, fire fighters and first responder , former and current, community. We strive to maintain a positive image within our communities and states. All members are fully and solely accountable for their actions while members of Oath Keepers. All Oath Keepers Members and Associates shall possess and maintain high moral and ethical standards and uncompromised integrity for continued membership in Oath Keepers. All members are to conduct themselves in a courteous and lawful manner at all times…Oath Keepers and its members are responsible to maintain the integrity and honor of this organization. Oath Keepers shall have a zero tolerance policy for actions that bring disrespect, dishonor or disrepute on Oath Keepers or the military, law enforcement, fire fighters and first responder community.
  Section 8.05. Our Mission. Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution.” Any candidate D or R or public servant who is for unconstitutional laws is not for me.
  
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MrButcher
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:58pm
What’s a little more IRREPARABLE HARM going to hurt us?

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- Walkabout
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:05am
  If WW2 had lasted until 1960, how long would we have kept German prisoners?
  
  Just asking. Sorry to bring up such a sore point.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:11am
  “…Obama Admin. Argues Suspending NDAA‘s ’Indefinite Detention’ Provision Does Irreparable Harm to U.S…”
  Gee, I wonder what kept us from ‘irreparable harm’ for the first 235 years of our existance?
  But if the fed is serious about following this law, the first person they should arrest is Barry SoterObama. Unless giving money to the enemy is not ‘aiding and abetting’…
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:19am
  “During World War II, six German saboteurs who secretly entered the United States on a mission to attack its civil infrastructure are executed by the United States for spying …
  Just as the Germans finished burying their explosives in the sand, John C. Cullen, a young U.S. Coast Guardsman, came upon them during his regular patrol of the beach …
  
  To preserve wartime secrecy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered a special military tribunal consisting of seven generals to try the saboteurs”
  
  http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-saboteurs-executed-in-washington
  
  Now if the Germans had been caught, because we read radio intercepts, would we be obliged to reveal sources & methods at a trial in 1942 or would we be able to hold them indefinitely.
  
  Could we have a secret trial today? Or would the civilian attorney give away everything? Attorneys will assist the worst criminals there was one that illegally assisted one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.
  
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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:43am
  It is about there. It is, indeed.
  
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- The0bserver
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:47am
  Walkabout, you miss the point. Nobody is arguing about foreign enemy combatants and spies, at least I’m not. The concern is about indefinite suspension of American citizens without charges, a lawyer, or a jury of their peers at the whim of the President, or if this were to occur, the dictator. The NDAA smacks of citizens being wisked off the streets by the secret state police, or Geheimne Staats Polizei, a.k.a, GeStaPo. This is unamerican. Do you really want to give communist Obama that power? Are we crazy?
  
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- BlueStrat
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 4:04am
  @TheObserver
  
  Give OBAMA this power???
  
  I wouldn’t give a reincarnated-in-the-flesh George Washington himself that power!!!
  
  And George wouldn’t want it and wouldn’t take it if offered!
  
  We used to have Statesmen as leaders.
  
  Now we have an anti-colonialist Marxist-collectivist and corrupt cronies.
  
  Our government desperately needs an enema.
  
  We insert the nozzle in November for the first bag, with many more to follow before the water runs clear.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:57am
  The0bserver
  
  Walkabout, you miss the point. Nobody is arguing about foreign enemy combatants and spies, at least I’m not.
  
  That puts you (& the rest of us) between a rock & a hard place. Awlaki was an American citizen. He was in contact with Abdul Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood workplace violence guy. If the CIA & NSA have to give up how they track & intercept messages in court to prove he is guilty then how are we going to win? Suppose we had captured Awlaki instead have killed him in a drone attack, it would not be a moot point about indefinite detention.? So one day so as to not violate the concept of indefinite detention we let Awlaki go. Further since we never charged him with anything we have to let him travel. He travel to Canad, Mexico Europe or the Middle East, somewhere safe for him. He is debriefed & the jihadis fought out how they were tracked. They changed methods. The NSA & CIA do what exactly now?
  
  When our friends in the COMPLICIT Media reported that we could track satellite phones in 2001 or 2002, Al Qaeda stopped using them. If we would let a person like Awlaki goat some point he would be debriefed. The terrorists would change methods faster.
  
  Obama has shown the capacity to use executive orders to go around Congress law or no law.
  
  If you want to hamstring the U.S. & complain about the NDAA, I might have to pull a Karzai. It might be safer working for the other side. That is harsh but some of you people seem suicidal.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:07am
  the harm that nazi germany can’t happen or the ussr.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:41am
  walkabout-
  or how long would they have kept the Japanese American citizens in detention camps…they would have all died sans liberty……
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:48am
  There is no excuse for indefinite detention of Americans or anybody else. Hold the guy, question the guy, and release or sentence the guy. To just hold someone without legal recourse is evil, no matter how you slice it. It is contrary to American principles and ideals.
  
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Al J Zira
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:55pm
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Obama run on closing Gitmo and allow terrorists to be tried in civil court because he said indefinite detention was unconstitutional?

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- WAKEUPUSA2012
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:21am
  He ran on closing gitmo. Not indefinite detention was unconstitutional for terrorist, because even he knows they are foreign and our constutition does not apply. There was a convention in Geneava that everyone use to take seriously . Congress released the letters where it was Obama pushing for indefinite detention. But the neocons like Ghram and Mccain were right there with him. Despite what republicans think, neoconservative war hawk foreign policy is not some ron paul kooky thing, it is very real and very dangerous outcome. Obamas hope and change was just a corporate sells pitch. He downgraded America just like his globalist handelers wanted. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Both parties are compromised.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:21am
  What if WW2 had lasted until 1970? How long could we have locked up the Afrika Corps that we captured in 1943?
  
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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:50am
  Only for terrorists. He is not setting up for anyone but American citizens who are going to try to preserve this country. Soetoro is not stable enough to remember his lies or his direction. He has too many things going to destroy this country at the same time. Some things he did not count on and cannot control are those thugs he is trying to support in the Mid East. They keep interefering with his plans for stealth.
  
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- WakingSheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Yep,
  Kinda like bush ran on a non-nation building/humble foreign policy!
  HA!
  
  Btw,
  I hate Marxism so don’t give me that “your a lib” bs.
  
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Micmac
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:54pm
FEMA camps and indefinite detention and zillions of hollow points. Thank you judge. At least one person in govt has a rational head. NDAA is all about domestic population control than terrorists. Also include the executive order allowing NoBama to take your personal properties in a time of threat.
A+B+C+D = you fill it in.

NoBama > MoBama

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:53pm
Glad that there are still some justices who are committed to their job and overturned this nightmare of a legislation. Given how Obama has routinely ignored matters of law when it does not suit him at all, he will probably have the ‘unlimited detention’ of US Citizens done by executive order whenever he wishes to begin.

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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:59pm
  It’s a shame that the repubs ever wrote the bill.
  
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WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:50pm
We have been hijacked by centeral bankers and they are setting up a police state. Obama is just a puppet as Rommney will be. Go read the quotes Thomas Jefferson said concerning centeral banks. It will be a sad day when they start to black bag political dissidents for not agreeing with the state.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7FVXERKFE

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ProbIemSoIver
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:46pm
The people are on to the fact that the Global Elite run the show.

The Global Elite want to track their livestock that they acquired in 1933.

The Creditor’s Security Bond – The Social Security Card, is outdated.

They want a cashless society where they can track you and your transactions and charge a % on each one.

Your Android is a Non-Implanted chip. They passed unconstitutional bills like the Patriot act and NDAA so they could Know everything you do and know exactly who you are. Who you call. Where you go. What you took videos or pics of. What you look up when online.

You see, You were pledged by your government in 1933 ( the Holiday Banking Act ) to a PRIVATE BANK for a breach of Contract from 1913 ( The Federal Reserve Act )
Birth certificates became law in all states in 1933 and Social Security came in 1936.
Check out this 3 minute video that explains this and more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlCs7u1ihws

In 1944 at the Bretton Woods Agreement, The lien on the bankrupt U.S. was transfered to the IMF and World Bank which created the UN the next year.

The UN’s IMF via the Federal Reserve (They are all owned by the global elite) has been the manager of the bankruptcy. Specifically, the Secretary of the Treasury. ( Is not really a government employee )
http://www.teamlaw.net/history.htm

In 1992 They began Liquidation under Bush’s E.O. # 12803
AMERICA FOR SALE !!!!
http://rense.com/general86/nomis.htm

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stuharnden
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:45pm
Good call Judge, we need a lot more judges like this. This is proof we can get rid of this law, Vote Tea Party and Romney. Glen had a great show on Romney tonight!

O’Lord, O’Bummer, Obama

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- WakingSheep
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:02pm
  Kinda sucks but….. Obama is getting re-elected.
  Do you know who counts the votes now?
  How about the fraud that went on during the primary and both national conventions?
  Have you ever heard of bohemian grove?……
  
  Welcome to the NWO
  
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ArmedAndNotDangerous
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:39pm
It’s the ‘Indefinite” part that is the problem, that’s the judges point. Too much power for one person.

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denkat56
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:37pm
of course the whitehouse stepped in, how is it that they are so worried about the rights of terrorist. maybe its because obama being a muslim.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 1:10am
  Remember Obama acting as if he didn’t really want that part in the bill? Saying he had that power but wouldn’t use it. If that’s the case, why appeal? Another Obama lie. And for the record, Obama did lobby to have the language to prevent it to used on Americans removed in the first place.
  
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deltaecho
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:36pm
I’d prefer that no one would come looking for me. I really just want to be left alone. On the other hand, if you do come looking for me you should probably pack a substantial lunch.

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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:52am
  They will not share their lunch with you. You are in the wrong place to hide.
  
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glennisright.com
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:34pm
Obama does enough irreparable harm to the U.S. by himself.

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Maxim Crux
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:33pm
Hooray for one sensible judge. The whole act is unconstitutional.

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DarkJello
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:33pm
Respect this judge for ruling in agreement with the constitution.

The absurd decision in Wisconsin shows how off a judge can be…

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honor007
Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:29pm
No doubt, Eric Holder will fix it.
Our Country is under siege, from those within.

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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on September 14, 2012 at 11:59pm
  How is it “irreparable” if it can be reinstated?
  
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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 12:24am
  There is no doubt about it, but if we can get him out now, we got a chance.
  
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- floridareader
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:37am
  Speaking of the devil, it’s not good Holder has been too quiet for too long. What are they cooking now?
  
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