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New Book Says Justice Scalia Was ‘Enraged’ at John Roberts Over Health Care Decision

Sep. 15, 2012 4:56pm Madeleine Morgenstern

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A new book details how Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the liberal wing of the court to uphold President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul and says Justice Antonin Scalia was “enraged” at him for doing so.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin’s “The Oath: The Obama White House and the Supreme Court” says the other four conservative justices on the court wanted to “kill off the entire health care law,” alienating Roberts who sought out a “middle ground,” according to excerpts of the book published Saturday by Politico.

A lifelong Republican, Roberts originally intended to vote to overturn the law, but it became apparent to the other justices in April and May that he was going “wobbly,” Toobin wrote:

“The four conservatives had overplayed their hand with the chief justice. By demanding that Roberts kill off the entire health care law, they prompted him to look for some kind of middle ground. … [Justice Antonin ] Scalia was enraged at the chief.”

“Wobbly,” incidentally, is the same word sources used to describe Roberts in a major CBS News story published just days after the court announced its decision.

Part of the reason for Roberts’ switch, according to Toobin, is that he had two goals for his tenure as chief: “to push his own ideological agenda but also to preserve the court’s place as a respected final arbiter of the nation’s disputes.”

A complete nullification of the health care law on the eve of a presidential election would put the Court at the center of the campaign … Democrats, and perhaps Obama himself, would crusade against the Court, eroding its moral if not its legal authority. … Gradually, then with more urgency, Roberts began looking for a way out. …

Despite conservative outrage over Roberts’ vote, Toobin said his opinion “is a potentially significant long-term gain” for the movement.:

[F]or Roberts personally and the conservative cause generally, his vote and opinion in the health care case were acts of strategic genius. … Roberts at a minimum laid down a marker on the scope of the commerce clause. … Roberts’s opinion is potentially a significant long-term gain for the conservative movement. … Roberts bought enormous political space for himself for future rulings. … Did Roberts, by his late switch in the health care case, poison his relations with his conservative allies on the Court? That is very unlikely.”

Scalia told CNN’s Piers Morgan in an interview over the summer there was no truth to reports that relationships between the justices had strained over the decision, saying, “No, I haven’t had a falling out with Justice Roberts.”

“The Oath: The Obama White House and the Supreme Court” is due out on Tuesday.

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Comments (248)

OlefromMN
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:52pm
Get over it! Roberts made it perfectly clear it is up to We the People to correct this. I think his ruling was boneheaded but may show to be a saving grace for America.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:04pm
  So you think the supreme court should not be in the business of stopping unconstitutional laws?
  
  And you think we should have a government that is allowed to do ANYTHING so long as 51% of the people agree?
  
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- OlefromMN
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:25pm
  Soy,
  
  The ruling has been handed down. You can choose to b(*ch about the past or choose to deal with the here and now. Your choice.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:54pm
  @olf
  I see you would rather go with the flow than defend the Constitution. Oh well, i guess thats what happens when we get candidates like Mitt Romney
  
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- MCDAVE
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:02pm
  I ‘ll hold my opinion on Roberts until Heir Obama is gone, And people can speak the truth without fear.
  
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- OlefromMN
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:05pm
  “I see you would rather go with the flow than defend the Constitution.”
  
  Who defends the Constitution? We the People or a group of unelected individuals?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:10pm
  We the people, the states, AND the supreme court justices
  
  If you think it is up to we the people to make it right, your first comment shouldnt have been “Get over it”. Sounds like you are changing your tune now
  
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- OlefromMN
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:27pm
  “Sounds like you are changing your tune now”
  
  Methinks you got caught with your drawers down. My statement has been consistent throughout. Say howdy to Ron for me will ya?
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:31pm
  The only correct thing Roberts said that it’s a tax scheme. If this mess isn’t torn down, you better get your money out of all banks and brokers. Take the 10% penalty, if you have to. The IRS will leave no stone unturned to get their Revenue. Bury it somewhere like a dog buries a bone!
  
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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:38pm
  Agreed, if the People will do their own homework and exercise their rights appropriately — it’s really a non-issue… That’s publik skool, tho. The ‘mandate’ is funneled thru a ‘privilege,’ and not thru any rights people may or may not have. BIG difference.
  
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- v15
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:11pm
  Roberts is a disappointment but at least Gary Johnson has zero chance of winning. Johnson would appoint justices that would shred the Constitution (even though Johnson claims to be a constitutionalist)
  
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- 2B
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:56pm
  Apparently you are unaware that now We The People can be taxed for not buying a GM car or for not putting solar panels on our houses or anything else the government cares to extract money from us just for breathing. The only ones who are “not over it” are the ones who realize the value of this country and of holding to the Constitution. Wake up. This is only the beginning. If the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court can be bullied (and he was) the hope that our country will survive is diminishing fast. The best we can hope for from this whole opinion is that Roberts will no longer be confused as being a conservative justice. He is beholden to something other than his oath as is Obama.
  
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- HorseCrazy
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:30pm
  ole that is the stupidest comment ever. we should get over it deal with it? really? doesn’t it occur to you that we no longer have anyone to uphold the protections of the constitution. this is one of the biggest blows to the united states since roe v wade. that made killing babies ok and now we have the ability to force us to do anything the government sees fit. no one left to uphold it and guess what, take a glance at what happened with arizona or scott walkers law, just because a law is passed like you are saying, we should get rid of health care, we no longer have the protection of the judges including the highest court in the land to uphold the will of the people and the boundaries provided in the constitution. get with it and you need to wake up
  
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- kellyflorida
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:31pm
  Roberts will be remembered by this anti-constitutional decision for the next 100 years, if we even have a constitution left. He is lacking testosterone, he let the world down and will be the hero of the most perverse in society. God help us. Somehow the new chicks on the court got to him….pathetic. When O get’s re-elected he will be sure to stack the court. Roberts better have a home somewhere else because he betrayed our country and our constitution and because of him we may never survive.
  
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- go2gym
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 11:00pm
  @Olefrommn………..Get over it? Isn’t that what tyrants want people doing?
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:06am
  I think what OLE is saying that ” We the People” need to let States decide whether to accept this tax or reject it. It is now a State’s issue.
  
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- AzDebi
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:14am
  To SOYBOMB315: I agree…can you imagine expecting them to also have honor and integrity? I’d be disappointed if he wasn’t outraged! Roberts is a COWARD but at least he has PLENTY of company!
  
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- 9635kari
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:47am
  So why didn’t the other conservative judges see the “genius” in Roberts decision? Roberts does not have the solid conservative values that these other men had and also we the Americans have!!! Shame on Roberts for the generations ahead.
  
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- getitgotitgood
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 1:32am
  People People, Satan worked his way with Roberts. You just dont get what is going on. Hurricane Isaac was the last warning. Our nation has decided to remain with its back to God. Now is for each INDIVIDUAL to decide for themselves.
  
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- rene demonteverde
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 6:01am
  I will not presume to be an expert in the constitution. But with the passage of Obamacare .the corruption
  involve the deceit {Pelosi you have to pass it to understand it} with the public overwhelmingly against it
  the arm twisting ,with the CBO warning of higher deficit if passed and most important thing of all the division it is causing our country should that be taken to consideration by the Supreme Court ? I do not
  think the Founding Fathers intend the Constitution meant to divide this country. I notice that legality or the
  interpretation of the Constitution depends on the view point of the interpreter. For example the internet
  do the Founding Fathers really meant it is all right to bring those nude and indecent stuff into their homes? Is it all right to advocate the overthrow the government in public, defame any person, disallow
  people from praying in public and displaying cross in a museum but allow other religions to do so in name of political correctness ? Or the Founding Fathers are devoid of common sense ? Just asking, Olefrommn
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- Raider1
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 6:33am
  SAVING GRACE? Really? There is no saving grace. Had they struck down the law there would be a limit on the commerce clause as well, right? Instead, we now have unlimited taxing authority instead of the commerce clause. It didnt meet the criteria of a tax and roberts actually inaccurately used precedence to find a reason for his actions. It’s judicial activism. Find whatever you can to support the decision you want. The only reason they have lifetime appointments is to avoid being pressured politically. I agree there is not much we can do about the decision now but isnt letting it go the same as condoning the corruption and letting tyranny rule rather than our constitution? Since it is a “tax” we can overturn it so letting it fade from our memories would be a mistake until it’s repealed.
  
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- myway
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 7:22am
  Agreed we have to dump the president, all those who forced this mess through and all rhinos that we have left from 2010. The clock is ticking!
  
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- dcatkin
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 8:14am
  So I guess it’s just fine for the supreme court to do as it pleases huh? Sorry but weat it won’t happen, they are as corrupt as the Obama clan.
  
  Now it will be very hard to get rid of that monstroity and save the country from certain death. But if that is OK to you, maybe it’s time to pack your **** and move to the middle east where you can worship Allah and live the good Sarrea life.
  
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- DrKev
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 8:42am
  olerfrommn just becuz the ruling was handed down it doesn’t mean we should no longer consider the facts of the case especially when this Court this Justice will be making other decisions. it was the pressure put on the Court by liberals as they went around damn newr intimidating them into voting to uphold this unconstitutional law. we need to keep the Courts ruling and Roberts decision squarly before us so this travesty doesn’t happen again
  
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- OlefromMN
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 8:54am
  Most comments here are still complaining about a decision that has been made. If equal efforts were made to get people elected that will repeal this God Awful law we will have no problem doing so. I swear people like to complain about yesterday’s weather without looking at today’s.
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 9:59am
  I wish Roberts wasin in the regular Medical world like the rest of us. My Dr. at age 55 retired because of Medicar and Medicade. He told me it didn’t pay half of his operating expenses. I now have a new young Dr. that take 2 months to get in to see. I learned from my 3 sons, Go to Emergancy One that only takes cash or regular insurence unless you need surgery. Untill I got wise and went to the hospital and waited 4 hrs. to get a prescription, it now only takes up to 1/2 Hr. My good union insurence has changed that part of policy and sent us a letter that come Jan. 1 St we will join the Government prescription program after saying just the opposite after Obama cramed this down our mouths.
  
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- drattastic
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 10:00am
  I’ll never forgive Roberts for what he did to US and trying to sugarcoat it with the his supposed act of strategic genius makes me feel no better or make it right . He took a clearly unconstitutional law and twisted it to pass muster because he was worried more about HIS reputation at the DC cocktail parties than he was about the Constitution and the people of the United States .Now we may well be doomed and we have him to thank for it .
  
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- 68Patriot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 10:39am
  OLEF, none of this discussion matters if OBAMA is re-elected. He will appoint 1 or 2 MORE activist liberal supreme court judges in his second term which will change this country forever and there won’t be any more discussion about “constitutionality”. Liberals (democrats) hate the Constitution because as Obama stated “it doesn’t say what the government should do on the behalf of people, only what government can’t do to them”. Liberty will end and Tyranny will begin, GUARANTEED!
  
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- db321
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 10:54am
  “For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required.” Obama Care will kill 100′s of thousand of Americans and the blood of everyone of those individuals life that was cut short will be on the Liberal Hands of Roberts.
  
  There is never any excuse for integrity – unless you really don’t believe in Judgement Day.
  
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- 68Patriot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:17pm
  DB321, the problem is that liberals don’t, which is why lying has no negative consequence on them by their ilk. Remember, “the ends justifies the means”?
  
  Keep up the good fight brother…
  
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- SELECT
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:59pm
  @OlefromMN – not trying to speak for soy, but i think what he is trying to project here is this:
  WHAT’S NEXT? are you comfortable with additional future rulings via the Supremes? i’m not so sure i will be.
  
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- alspurr
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 1:42pm
  Soy and others complaining about over turning Unconstitutional laws. Should they now take up cases to toss out Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, home mortgage deductions, business subsidies, highway funding, research and education grants, etc. I think you get the idea. While many of us may feel these are outside the constitution, it is what it is and if we want to change it, there will need to be several Constitutional Amendments to reel in congressional spending and power. As much as we may dislike the current President, he could only sign the bills at the end, congress is where we need to make the changes, first through elections, eventually through the amendment process.
  
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- Boots1
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 2:43pm
  While Roberts made it perfectly clear its up to “we the people” to correct the problem he also made it clear that through taxation “we the people” are nothing more than the property of the government. Nevada doesn’t have enough prostitutes… just implement the affordable ****** act and charge a tax to everyone wo doesn’t have a ****** policy. I don’t believe his ruling limits what activity or inactivity can’t be taxed. We are officially all now the government’s bitches.
  
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- EruditeMan
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 3:43pm
  soybomb315_II I feel the Obamacare bill should have been made impotent, however, given that the US Constitution clearly stipulates that the House of Representatives is the place where taxes can originate and that the Obamacare “tax” originated in the US Senate, not the House of Representatives, Obamacare may, once again, appear before SCOTUS and ultimately be declared unconstitutional. There is still such a court challenge which has been filed and awaits action by SCOTUS.
  
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- longjohngolden
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 4:36pm
  Was reading this morning that since the bill originated in the Senate rather than the House where all tax bills must be originated it was unconstitutional and I imagine will revisit the Supreme Court. Roberts may have helped the cause by making it a tax rather than a penalty.
  
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- just a patriot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 5:11pm
  I completely agree. We need to concentrate on getting those who respect the Constitution into office and hopefully overturn alot of the damage that’s been done. I do believe Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are the best candidates to accomplish this. I’ll put my efforts into the campaigns that will take the Senate, House and Presidency.
  
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- jUSTacOUNTRYbOY2
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Roberts is a *****, a sell out for o’ vomit and a
  traitor.
  
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- vieteravet
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 5:45pm
  I agree, he called it a tax ( which made Obama a liar) and said the citizens needed to fix it. Ergo, vote out Obama and repeal Obamacare! I think it was brilliant also. No I’m not a troll, I voted for every republican starting with Nixon in 1972. I believe William F Buckley, even if the candidate is a weak republican he’s still better than a liberal!
  
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- muffythetuffy
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 6:08pm
  HUMPTY DUMPTY HAS FALLON OFF THE WALL
  
  The only way out of this is the creation of a new separate nation here in North America that is Free and dedicated to Liberty. Many will die but its the only way and the sacrifice will be worth the end. This United States is finished and is going down the tubes fast.
  
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- siobhan3270
  Posted on September 17, 2012 at 11:04am
  The debacle of Obamacare is a slap in the face to asleep, complacent Americans. Elections matter. Even GW Bush who is no conservative should have been better vetted by Conservatives. Roberts committment to his own legacy trumps his committment to the Constitution. I fear the same issue with Moderate Mitt. We need to purge the GOP of the likes of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, John McCain, et al. Do y’all think Jim Demint would be ethically opposed to cloning?
  
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- Spirit 72
  Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:10pm
  Oalf (or whatever)…
  
  The justices did not do their job. This law was passed illegally, is in clear conflict with the powers outlined for the federal government, and is more than a tax. It is an open door to regulate everything we do in the name of maintaining better health. Outrageous that the voters have to correct congress, the president and the court as well.
  
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fancynancy
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:49pm
Hey-. scotus has lost all credibility with Robert’s vote. not that there
was muchthere before. The Constitution has very little to do with their decisions
it seems to me. Too bad for us..judiciary is more interested in their reputation than
watching out for us against bad legislation. of any law qualified as bad law,obamacare does

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- Sara123
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:57pm
  The rule of law is now no more than an elitist poker game? Glad to know that. Juries, take notice. Equality before the law…there is no law. It’s a freaking elitist, meat head game of penis dominance.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:07pm
  On the plus side, Ginny Thomas didn’t drunk-dial anyone to complain.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 9:44am
  Roberts and his wife were not getting invited to the swank , at taxpayer’s expense parties that they throw in DC. His wife did not like being isolated from the community. His goofy wife wanted to party with the socialites in DC. Roberts only cares about himself and how the DC crowd views him. Now, he is the hero of the communist progs and he is the center of attention wherever he goes. That is why he did it. That and a little bit of good old-fashioned goon squad threats by Obama.
  
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crusaderx9
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:46pm
This is not an overall good for America and nor was it “strategic genius”.

1. There are no longer limits to what a Congress can impose on the American citizen if it is delivered as part of a tax scheme.
2. The Commerce Clause is rendered irrelevant as Congress will act within its now unlimited power to tax.

obama and roberts managed to do what our enemies throughout our history have been unable to accomplish – the absolute surrender of American Liberty to a centralized government with a ruling class who live by a preferred set of rules.

Because of this ruling the Congress and a dictatorial Executive Branch can impose any limit on the American citizen through the power of taxation or executive order. The Judiciary has claimed “open season” on the American Citizen, as well, by “legal” agreement with such Unconstitutional government action; and with this decision codifying THAT power of the government over every detail of every American citizen’s personal life – once the government gets around to passing such laws and regulations.

Toobin is a legal lightweight incapable of providing accurate and truthful analysis.

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- taxpro4u03
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:49pm
  Reverse engineer this thing… when we DO that — we go back at least to WHY Andrew Johnson was ‘compelled’ to pardon Jefferson Davis (and by extension subsequent absolution of ALL the Rebs) in the 11th hour of his Supreme Court ‘treason’ trial… its ALL there. Ask BOLD questions, and the TRUTH will be… ‘self-evident.’ What is it, where does it come from, what does it’s nature, what does it do….. WHY…. :-)
  
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- Evileye
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:15pm
  To Crusader
  Well said,and very true.
  No sixteen Once Soda’s. Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich’s racist in Portland Schools
  Government Run Amok. What’s Next.
  
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- supermurder
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:31pm
  CRUSADERX9:
  Brilliantly and eloquently stated.
  
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- Lord_Frostwind
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 5:10am
  The problem here is that if the people fail, and give in to the desire of an all powerful government (or at least it likes to fashion itself as all powerful, too often they realize there are very real physical limits to their power) to take care of them, then there is no longer any bulwarks. “Strategic” and “clever” tactics of the supreme court will give carte blanche to our downfall if the election does not turn out the way he hopes.
  
  Simply put, if President Obama is reelected, and the liberals from both sides of the aisle are returned to power, the nation is over. All we will have left is a corpse.
  
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MrKnowItAll
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:29pm
LIFETIME Appointments Must Go. Because Integrity has Gone. We are now living in a Far More Advanced world. Integrity levels now do not stay forever. Because the Supreme Court Judges (All Of Them). have never had Integrity to begin with. When Appointed they actually look like they just became The Don of some Mafia Family.

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- v15
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:47pm
  If our government had to operate under GAAP, would we have a national debt? Thoughts on SCOTUS: Is it possible that 2-3 seats will be available between 2012-2016? If so, whomever gets elected will have enormous legal power for good or bad!
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:46pm
  You’re close with the Mafia statement. Look at how the Christian judges(other than Roberts) voted vs. the others. Pat Buchanan has already pointed this out. I hope someone calls me and Pat anti-Semites, racists, etc. That’s how I’ll know I’m on to something! Roberts is helping turning us into Tax Slaves to the Bankers. End the Fed.
  
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- cykonas
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:44pm
  We are now living in a Far More Advanced world.
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  That is EXACTLY the logic that the earliest Progressives used to convince others that the Constitution was outdated and needed to be ignored. I think it would be a much more sound course of action to first get back to true Constitutional fidelity before we call for any further reforms. I, for one, don’t trust the Progressive Movement or their philosophies. Peace.
  
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ericsez
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:27pm
toobin is a sanctimonious tool of the left. flaunting is law degree as a shield against any threat to the left, he continually propagates trash. WE KNOW ROBERTS SOLD US AND THE COUNTRY OUT. we don’t need a crock disguised as a book to fill in details with fantasy….

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reality based lifeform
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:25pm
Women tend to make decisions based on emotion while men make their decisions based on logic and reason . Thats just the way the two sexes are wired .

Liberals (like women) also base their decision making on emotion not logic or reason . This is why the bulk of their solutions just do not work and make the problems worse .

Conservative minded people use logic and reason to come up with real solutions to solve problems that really work .

Politicians ( both Liberal and Conservative and male or female ) are often influenced by personal monetary gain or desire to remain in office as long as possible (for more monetary gain ) in their decision making process resulting in more laws, higher taxes , more national debt , etc.without ever solving the original problem

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- jujubeebee
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:49pm
  I am a woman who makes logical and not emotional decisions. I think if more people voted based on logic and the issues we would not have Obama. I think Justice Roberts was paid off or blackmailed.
  
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- KangarooJack
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:17pm
  RBL…
  
  THIS WOMAN bases HER votes on WE ARE NOT GREECE!!!
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:40pm
  @ JUJU
  Knowing how the Dems/Communists operate, I’m guessing he was blackmailed.
  They almost always come down on the side of Bigger Gov., anyway.
  
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- sb36695
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:56pm
  This woman uses logic to vote. And as far as I’m concerned, if women are voting for someone because he looks good, we should lose the right. And any parent that votes for Obama should be charged with child abuse. The debt this government is piling on future generations is criminal.
  
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- cykonas
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:03pm
  @JUJUBEEBEE
  I think if more people voted based on logic and the issues we would not have Obama.
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  I not only agree with you, I’ll go a step further. If more people voted on logic and issues we would not have Democrats or Republicans in charge. Both parties stink on ice, but most voters cling to the duopolistic model. No matter how much they spit on our Constitution and our Republic. Go figure. Peace.
  
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- airportengineer
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 10:56pm
  RBL stated: “Women tend to make decisions based on emotion while men make their decisions based on logic and reason . Thats just the way the two sexes are wired”
  
  As a woman, Engineer, and a BUSINESS OWNER, I have no doubt that the reason why you think of men as so far superior is because you are retaining some pent up frustration over not being able to find a woman that is far less intelligent than yourself and that can deal with your less than average peenie. When I run across men like you, I always find that same common thread in their modus operandi. They always fear/hate women that make more than them, and they would rather have their wifes barefoot and pregnant, than out in the workforce and risking the chance that their wife might come home one day to announce that they just received a raise that would bring in more money than yourself or that they leave you for someone else that they met at work that has way more to offer.
  
  When I took over a small engineering firm in 2004, owned by a man, it went from absolutely no growth in clients/employees/income to doubling in size and income EVERY SINGLE YEAR for the past 7 yrs. That success didn’t come from making “emotional” decisions moron! If I made all of my decisions in my life on “Emotion”, I would have ran this thing in the ground before the 5th yr when most small businesses fail and close their doors.
  
  Your inadequacies does not require you to be a knuckle dragging caveman. Maybe you should see a t
  
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- Winedude
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 12:12am
  Bravo Airport Engineer. Just so you know, we’re not all sexist pigs…
  
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- 68Patriot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:01am
  AIRPORTENGINEER, there sure was a lot of Emotion in that reply to RBL’s post…Hmmmm
  
  Would the post be more/less credible if RBL was female? Just curious. Sounds like you are a conservative so keep up the great work you are doing with your company. On the other hand, if you are a liberal (which would make no sense based on your claim to be “logical”) good luck with that company of yours in the next 4 years if Obama is re-elected.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 11:08am
  From the discussion here a few things are apparent.
  Conservatives love “defending the Constitution” except when they don’t like how it works.
  Many of the folks posting here are clearly “misogynistic”, yet not smart enough to understand the “GOP war on women” or why about 60% of women, in every poll, are voting Democratic.
  
  Reminds me of the people who have “support our troops” bumper magnets next to those saying “taxed enough already”. They loved it when we became the first civilization in history to go to war and reduce the taxes collected from it’s people, yet they cry about the national debt. Conservatives use “reason and logic” an earlier poster said as he was belittling women, yet it was Rick Santorum that had it right in his speech yesterday: “…smart people will never be on our side”.
  Indeed, Mr. Santorum, indeed.
  
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- Irememberamerica
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 1:44pm
  So are you suggesting that Justice Roberts is a woman?
  
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- goengo
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 2:07pm
  REALITY BASED LIFEFORM wrote the following:
  Women tend to make decisions based on emotion while men make their decisions based on logic and reason . Thats just the way the two sexes are wired….Liberals (like women) also base their decision making on emotion not logic or reason…..Conservative minded people use logic and reason to come up with real solutions to solve problems that really work.”
  
  It is hard to believe that there are still men who are so cave-man like to believe the above. I am a conservative woman (who cannot exist according to REALITY), a small business owner, who does all the bookkeeping myself. I am also married to a sucessful man who cheers my abilities and success instead of demeaning me or other women.
  
  With the attitude that REALITY shows, I am not surprised that he has never found an intelligent woman who wouuld give him a second look. Or perhaps he is just a kid, whose sole experience with women is his baby sister.
  
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- bdsconserv
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 2:33pm
  i am one woman who is an ultra-conservative,both fiscally and socially,thank you very much.
  
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Rob
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:21pm
Roberts became another tool of the liberals.

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TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:07pm
Don’t waste your money on Toobin’s book; as he’s a annoying lib. I’m sure Justice Scalia was more than ticked; but I wouldn’t give Toobin two bits.

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:08pm
  How can Scalia ever HEAR with all that ear ****?
  
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:57pm
Justice Roberts is now an oxymoron.

“Good night, America. Good work. Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.” – Dread Pirate Roberts

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- watersRpeople
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:03pm
  Nobody actually literally does for America, and their children anymore. It’s all a rodeo clown show that no one does anything meaningful, because they just want to sell a book down the road continuing playing the game of decay. That’s alright, because when Sharia Law comes full swing to America, they won’t be playing stupid games.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:05pm
  “Justice Roberts is now an oxymoron.”
  
  LOL!!!!!
  
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RougeFastFingers
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:56pm
Roberts job was to uphold the constitution, not worry about the court’s ‘image’.

He’s proof that the court like all other once cherished american institutions is a joke.

That is the ‘long term,effect’ Roberts, happy now?

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:09pm
  That’s right Robert’s ruling had nothing to do with the constitution because that law is unconstitutional.
  His ruling did however motivate millions to fire the Marxist POS in November because that’s the only way we’re going to kill socialized medicine.
  
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- MCDAVE
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:57pm
  Maybe we will learn the whole truth when Obama is gone…No telling what threats were given…
  
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- dcatkin
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 8:22am
  If you litten to Romney I would not get to excited about him putting an end to Obamacare, he will leave it going.
  
  He implimented it in his own state, and he thinks it’s the greatest thing that ever happened there, so don’t hold your breath he lies a lot to.
  
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v15
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:49pm
What are the chances that John Roberts and his family were threatened or blackmailed into siding with the left? The Obama Administration has become notorious for bullying their opposition, the Constitution be damned. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I find it odd that Roberts adamantly sided with the right before pulling a 180 on his views.

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- Jeff Bassett
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:02pm
  Quite likely a bribe. The stimulus is more money than that spent inthe entire history of the US.
  
  Where did it go? That money enough to pay the entire infrastructure of America, more money than funded two world wars, at the military hardware of history, money spent to send us to the moon and then create a shuttle system, additional money to build all government infrastructure and buildings and fund the payroll of all those that have worked since the founding of our nation. What happened? Surely the last three years with so much spent, there must be something to show for such.
  
  Unless, you wanted to bribe the unions, political leaders, banking and others to do your bidding, change the direction of government by influencing them with such a stimulus package.
  
  When the government cannot allot for such and there are such drastic changes of principles, it makes you wonder…
  
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- v15
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:37pm
  Just imagine if the federal government followed GAAP. I feel like something was kept from the public – Roberts could have been bribed, threatened, or extorted via blackmail.
  
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strawberry411a
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:47pm
I was unaware that there were “agendas” within the supreme court. For some reason I was under the impression that the truth and interpretation of the LAW were the priority. Silly me.

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olddog
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:43pm
After Roberts vote I believe we must have Term Limits 8yrs on the court. Roberts is a rogue justice and did not follow his oath to uphold the constitution.

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:10pm
  Rouge Justice = resists a right wing agenda activist court.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:53pm
  Rogue, or Closet Communist.
  
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blackyb
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:42pm
I am still in disbelief over that Roberts thing. I want to believe he was trying to save America from some aspect of something with his decision, by his words. It may be that I cannot face the reality of the facts of what he did, just yet. I had high hopes for Roberts. Justice Roberts has proved to be a big question mark in my mind by his actions. Perhaps I want to believe in some goodness during these trying times, and I am possibly making excuses for someone who may not have made a decision that is good for America. I want there to be other factors that I and others are not aware of that guided that decision of his. I have to put that aside for now, for the Truth of this may sap my strength a bit more at this point in time. It not healthy to have too much disappointment and discouragement in the forefront of what we all need to do. America does not need more betrayal.

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- AmazingGrace8
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:21pm
  I like your post and would like to add alittle to the wording….”Kill off the ENTIRE health care law”. Romney has made comments about getting rid of the law but just awhile back he said something about the 2 likeable items in the law, extend coverage for kids until 26 yrs old and the coverage for the “uncurable”. My thoughts, kill the ENTIRE law and “start-all-over”. Why? Rush L made a good point awhile back about this admin. having “18-pages-of-what-is-the-meaning-of-a-full-time-employee” is. Bet the “free-market” could tell us in “one-sentence”. There is probably 200 pgs in the law to explain those 2 likeable items..Why? probably embedded somewhere in the “old-child” clause, the parent has to provide toilet paper & toothpaste to the “old-kid” until the age of 27yrs.. LOL
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:01pm
  Shakespeare wrote “Et tu Brutus”. I think that’s how it’s spelled.
  Roberts is a traitor.
  
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- Mil-Dot
  Posted on September 16, 2012 at 9:46am
  If Romney screws this up and does not get rid of this police state crap, we will be in full blown civil war by 2016. Or sooner. If he caves to the progs, it is on.
  
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Gary_K
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:41pm
Justice Scalia, join the crowd.

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johnnyDallas
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:39pm
Roberts is sneeky little coward…..F HIM,,,

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- MEANS2RESIST
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:46pm
  I’ve never seen so many traitors as in this administration. While we work & take the brundt of the fallout, they are stealing us blind. This is soetoro/obama & his associates main goal.
  
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abbygirl1994
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:38pm
All I know is he is a traitor to America and its people!!

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- johnnyDallas
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:40pm
  correct,,,
  
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- blackyb
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:46pm
  Maybe not. We really do not know what this man did and for what reason. It will have to run its course, whatever the reason. It will be worked out. Roberts has an inside view whereas we only see from the sidelines. There has got to be more to it.
  
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FREEDOMoverFEAR
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:37pm
How many women on the bench are conservatives. Just saying how’s that suffrage going for you white males in America. There’s a reason the Bible calls for women to be obedient to their husbands they think with their hearts not their minds. I’m not saying all women do this but if women didn’t vote the democratic party wouldn’t exist.

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- hi
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Are you saying Roberts is a female?
  
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- princessnutsack
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:42pm
  actually the bible says we should submit to one another out of reverence for christ and calls wives to submit to their husbands as calls it husbands to sumbit to Christ. of course the husbands are commanded to love their wives in return. that being said, men today are are woefully inadequate as leaders and heads family. so maybe when men get their **** together their wives would be more likely to submit. also, when you dont know the bible, please dont try to relay it.
  
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- princessnutsack
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:50pm
  also, i want to point out that you say women should be obediant to their husbands but nowhere in ephesians, first peter or colissians does it say for wives to obey or be obediant. we are to submit out of respect and humility. maybe youre confusing the quran with The bible. its the quran who commands women to obey!
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:17pm
  The Bible? Good grief
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:13pm
  Look at Boehner. Everytime he gets in front of a camera, he starts crying! It’s as if someone from the Government is behind the camera, threatening him. He’s a fool, just like McCain. If you disagree with the communist establishment, you will be labelled a racist, hater and so on. Illegal Hate Laws were made to shut down debate. Now, we’re reaping what was sown. We have fools running Washington who are afraid of being called a racist or hater by their own shadow, since it is darker than they.
  
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ellietoo
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:36pm
Roberts sold out the country. He acted like a coward. He knew it was illegal yet blamed it on another clause of the constitution. Now what? We are screwed. Thanks, Roberts. People working in the few production factories left in this country making under $10.00 an hour are paying $200.00 a month with very high co-pays due to the new law. Oh, I guess Roberts doesn’t pay for his own health care does he?

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- olddog
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:57pm
  No, We Pay Roberts insurance, that is the one of us that still have jobs.
  
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randy
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:33pm
Part of the reason for Roberts’ switch, according to Toobin, is that he had two goals for his tenure as chief: “to push his own ideological agenda but also to preserve the court’s place as a respected final arbiter of the nation’s disputes.”

TO PUSH HIS OWN IDEOLOGICAL AGENDA????
WHAT????????

You took an oath to uphold the constitution you A$$wipe!

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righthanddrive
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:20pm
Ch. Justice Roberts is Catholic, just like the Nuns-on-the-bus, John Kerry and JFK’s daughter. And the latter three were all for the Dem. Marxists manifesto at the DNC convention. My read is that a Catholic has difficulty distinguishing between the Parable of the Good Samaritan and the manifesto. A Catholic-vote website poll shows about half of Catholics voting Obama – in spite of the Obamacare mandate that Catholic institutions fund abortions. So somewhere in the deep recess of his mind, Justice Roberts goes Obamacare = doing good for the poor so it is ok (that tax bit was simply a religion-state separation ploy). Let the non-Obama voting Catholics and non-Catholics stand up and vote in November to repeal Obamacare

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- RIGHTHOOK
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:58pm
  Nuns (None’s) on the Bus, JFK, Kerry and possibly Roberts are a product of a liberal Catholic ideology that ordained Priest’s during the 60′s. Many Orders like the Jesuits (for example) had numerous rogue Priest’s doing the teaching back then. They do not follow the Church’s doctrine and exclude much of the way the faith is intended to be lived. In other words they made it casual, comfortable and free wheeling and as a result corrupted many. It is not reflective of the true faith and these folks you referred to probably practice the faith when the feel like it if ever. By the way you left out Biden the other hypocrite.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:11pm
  Are these the same ones who preyed on the children. Anyone and i mean ANYONE who still goes to a catholic church and gives them cash also, is blinded by faith. You talk about STUPID sheeple……
  
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- RIGHTHOOK
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:36pm
  UN HATER – I have no idea as I am no expert on the subject. Just information I have gleaned over the years from reliable, trustworthy sources. There are pervs in all walks of life and among us in the workplace and in clergy, wearing the police uniform, etc. I believe in all cases that it is the few that ruin it for the many.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:50pm
  A FEW! really?
  
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- RIGHTHOOK
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 7:02pm
  The statement is a generalization about what lurks in society…….keep a Remington 870 Pump nearby and relax a little.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:24pm
  The Guv. wants abortion for population control. China anyone?
  The same population control could be had through cutting out welfare. This way they get to annex a 6th of the economy
  To UNHater:
  The catholics are plagued by pedophiles because they banned priests from marrying. They did this to keep the money flowing to Rome. One of those ‘Unintended Consequences’.
  
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korbin
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:16pm
Oathkeepers.org NOT on OUR watch.

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- grayling646
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:28pm
  I took the oath on Apr 29, 1975. I still feel obligated.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:17pm
  Not on your watch? Then just who the hell have you got on the watch cause i think they fell asleep…Just wtf has to happen for your oath to kick in? I’m just asking cause i hear alot about oathkeepers but never seen one…
  
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Lloyd Drako
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:07pm
Roberts decided in favor of Obamacare for pretty much the same reasons that motivated Bernanke to under QE III: institutional self-prservation. Roberts did not want to bring the Court into disrepute with a decision that flew in the face of duly enacted legislation. Bernanke does not want it to be said that the Fed is inactive in the face of persistent economic malaise: if it can’t at least create more money, then what is it good for?

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:20pm
  good post, i think you nailed it
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:06pm
  The fed is good for devaluing the dollar and creating inflation,in the near future they’ll create hyperinflation
  and the dollar will be worthless.
  
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- Wool-Free Vision
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:43pm
  “duly enacted legislation”
  
  May I remind you that our Congress had to “pass it to see what’s in it,” and that it’s supposedly “a penalty, not a tax” – no, wait, “it’s a tax, not a penalty,” and of the obvious arm-twisting in the form of HUGE, admitted bribes for votes from Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, and others – and let’s not forget all those “waivers” that have been granted to every special interest crony in America, particularly Pelosi’s special friends, and then there’s Congress whose families are all on the SPECIAL CONGRESSIONAL insurance plan and exempt from Obamacare, which means they don’t have to live with their own legislation?
  
  After having this unConstitutional abomination rammed down the throat of the American taxpayer, how can anyone call it “duly enacted legislation” with any sincerity at all?
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:13pm
  SCOTUS has become a national joke.
  It has become a right wing tool who members
  rewarded Pappy Bush for their selection by giving
  the Presidency to little Georgie.
  And no one is fooled – that why this SCOTUS has the lowest
  approval rate in history from most Americans who think this
  court should NOT be politicized.
  This crowd will NEVER get it.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:33pm
  Bernanke works for the banks (the Fed is owned by the banks, but chartered by the Gov.) The big ones are broke. He’s bailing out the Big banks of New York and London.
  Obamacare ‘waivers’ will give an unfair advantage to large corporations like McDonalds. These two things are an attack on Liberty and Freedom. 30 years ago, the Feds busted up ATT. Now they would write a law to protect it and use Roberts to uphold that law.
  
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U.N.hater
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:07pm
From he man who say’s we need more gun laws LMFAO. A well regulated Militia,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,shall not be infringed. <<< That means ALL gun laws are UNCONSTITUIONAL! Does not say anything about permits or felons….

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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:34pm
  U.N. Hater we first lost unalienable rights when they said you couldn’t say fire in a crowded movie theater and it’s continued since then.
  
  Women support progressives overwhemingly. 66% of registered female voters are democrats while only 33% of registered male voters are Republicans. Women make up 51% of the voters. Who do you think is more likely to make these silly laws like outlawing fire crackers, seatbelt laws, gun control? Men or women? So it’s my theory that until women learn how to vote for freedom we will continue towards this nanny state. Thanks Susan B. Anthony.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:52pm
  My daughters father inlaw says the same thing. America went downhill when women were allowed to vote.
  
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- drs1969
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:39pm
  Women business owners think logically. There just aren’t many of them.
  I remember reading about women saloon and whorehouse operators in the 1800′s(Miss Kitty types) who helped set up the western states like Wy. They were more freedom oriented than any women alive today.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:05pm
“the other four conservative justices on the court wanted to ”kill off the entire health care law,“ alienating Roberts who sought out a ”middle ground”

Wow. The job of a supreme court justice is not to seek political middle ground – it is to determine the Constitutionality of laws.

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- hi
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:10pm
  Exactly. Although the liberal justices think they are to determine what goes against the Constitution and uphold that.
  
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- Kenszen
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:17pm
  Excellent point, Soybomb.
  
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- FREEDOMoverFEAR
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 5:35pm
  Soy
  
  Your Avatar picture is apt for this story.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:10pm
  Spot on SOY. Nobody could have said it better.
  
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- Banter
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:43pm
  We have 4 political progressives, 4 political conservatives, and one “political middle grounder.”.
  
  Yep,looks like they are well positioned to rule on the constitutionality of any law. Pfffft, a political joke is what they have become.
  
  Very likely the next prez will appoint two to the court, so we should remain well f*****!
  
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- steveh931
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 6:52pm
  There’s a lot of work to do if we want our country back, removing Justices that do not uphold and defend the U.S.Constitution at every level of the Judicial System will be part of it. Freedom and Liberty for all.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 8:16pm
  Most of the posters here are UPSET
  because their SCOTUS is not the 100% Right Wing tool they thought.
  
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- Banter
  Posted on September 15, 2012 at 9:10pm
  Verce
  Actually, we are most upset because the court has shirked its duties in favor of politics and perception.
  
  You have made it well known on this site that you are in favor of a diminished America, and pi$$ing on the Constitution the new past time. When the SHTF you won’t be a liberal pansy anymore.
  
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