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Chaos and the Middle East are, sadly, synonymous these days. In the wake of violent Middle Eastern protests that some claim are the result of an anti-Prophet Muhammad film that has gone viral (though the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya was allegedly pre-planned), new-found scrutiny is being placed upon the Islamic faith.
In the new issue of Newsweek, writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali shares her personal experience surviving “Muslim rage” and escaping from the faith she once subscribed to.
Ali began her piece by outlining the recent anti-American protests that unfolded on September 11 in Egypt and Libya and have expanded across the globe. She described the “homicidal few in the Muslim world” who value life less than “religious icons” like the Prophet Muhammad or the Koran.
“These few are indifferent to the particular motives or arguments behind any perceived insult to their faith,” she wrote. “They do not care about an individual’s political alignment, gender, religion, or occupation…All that matters is the intolerable nature of the insult.”
Ali details her personal experience in a a Newsweek cover story:
In 1989, when I was 19, I piously, even gleefully, participated in a rally in Kenya to burn [author Salman] Rushdie’s book The Satanic Verses. I had never read it.
Later, having fled an arranged marriage to the Netherlands, I broke from fundamentalism. By the time of Sept. 11, 2001, I still considered myself a Muslim, though a passive one; I believed the principles but not the practice. After learning that it was Muslims who had hijacked airplanes and flown them into buildings in New York and Washington, I called for fellow believers to reflect on how our religion could have inspired these atrocious acts. A few months later, I confessed in a television interview that I had been secularized.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Photo Credit: AP)
Over time, Ali became an atheist and began entering into the political arena, campaigning — and inevitably winning — a seat on the Dutch Parliament. She is also a founder of the AHA Foundation, a group devoted to women’s rights. Her change of faith has created a plethora of issues for Ali.
Some of her statements and stances, in fact, have inevitably hampered her political career, as Muslims have a history of responding harshly to her views. She explains:
The week before I was sworn into Parliament, I gave an interview to an obscure paper in the Netherlands that caused an uproar. Dutch Muslim organizations had been demanding that the age of marriage be lowered from 18 to 15, touting the Prophet Muhammad as their moral guide. In response, I suggested that some of the actions of the prophet might be considered criminal under Dutch law. This prompted a delegation of ambassadors from Turkey, Malaysia, Sudan, and Saudi Arabia to knock on the door of my party leader shortly after I took my seat in the legislature, demanding my eviction from Parliament for hurting the feelings of Muslims—those not only in Holland, but everywhere in the world, all 1.5 billion of them.
But that was nothing compared with what happened when I made a short film with Theo van Gogh (titled Submission) that drew attention to the direct link between the Quran and the plight of Muslim women. In revenge for this act of free thinking, Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan man, murdered van Gogh—shooting him eight times and stabbing him with two knives, one of which pinned a note to his body threatening the West, Jews, and me. As he was dying, my friend Theo reportedly asked his assailant, “Can’t we talk about this?” It’s a question that has haunted me ever since, often in bed at night. One side proposing a conversation; the other side thrusting a blade.
The politician and activist went on to further explain her battle, noting the struggles she has faced as a former Muslim adherent. Rather than sympathizing with radical Islamists, Ali lambasted government officials and “delusional” individuals who believe that the threat is only temporary, that radicals can be negotiated with and that these incidents should be blamed on those who make controversial films, cartoons and other similar projects. People, she maintains, shouldn’t be in the business of apologizing for free speech.
While her story is certainly disheartening, Ali believes that “this too shall pass.” In the end, Islamic societies, she contends, will reject extremist tenets in government. “After the disillusion and bitterness will come a painful lesson: that it is foolish to derive laws for human affairs from gods and prophets,” she writes.
Read Ali’s full article here to learn more about her struggles and views on the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict.
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Comments (108)
Bigmac1947
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:25pmAll of the radical chaos in middle east right now is Obama fault, not a stupid movie. Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton, the DNC Convention, Wassermann Schultz, Nancy Pelosie Chris Mathews, Ed Shultz, Rachael Madcow and the rest of MNBC just could not stop bragging about how they have shattered the radical Taliban and Bin Laden.
Obama, you built this explosion of hate in the middle east and the loss of life in Libya.
America is not as stupid as you think. We will be at the Polls in November. And you will be gone.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:32pmI’m not sure what Obama thinks, but I can say with absolute certainty that Americans are far, far more stupid than you think.
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chiquelets1
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:47pmandy…you are such an idiot…stupid is as…
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 5:02pmGive me a moment to rethink my entire political outlook after that doozy.
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Jaycen
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 5:59pm@AndYetItMoves
You can tell us with absolute certainty how much you know about the intelligence level of “Americans”?
You must be omniscient. You must be God. I don’t think we’ve met personally, and it seems very unlikely you’ve met 51% of 300M human beings, so….
Or you might just be a Regressive Socialist. One of those no-nothing academics who’s got a lot of “education”, but very little real-life experience. A guy who sits in his office being “strategic”, but never testing his strategy personally, because to do so might pop the bubble inside which all your ideas are hatched, take form, and fly through your imagination.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 6:29pmQuite a leap you just made from my simple observation that Americans are, by and large, stupid people. If that makes me arrogant, then so be it. It doesn’t require exceptional intelligence to look around (these threads are a good place to start) and recognize that our electorate is exceptionally unintelligent. Take yourself for example. I made a comment about our collective intelligence level as Americans, and you infer that I must be a ‘regressive (how very, very clever) socialist’ malcontent who hates freedom, God, McDonalds, etc. This is exactly the type of primitive outlook on public affairs that bothers me. Americans treat political discourse like NFL football games. There are only two teams, there will be a winner and a loser, and my tribe is better than your tribe. This is how an infant makes sense of the world.
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Will4Freedom
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 8:22pmYou folks are giving the President way too much credit. Haven’t the decision makers in the U.S. had the same basic foreign policy for many decades?
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ROCKETSMOM
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 8:47pm@andy…….For once i must agree with you…….
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SerikFox
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 2:37amAndYetItMoves, while you are partially right, you did ignore the good points in the response to you, although the response was not an eloquent or well thought out one. You would judge many by the views of a few. Idiots always stand out above the crowd because it is always the loudest voice that is heard, not the clearest.
Any such observation as you described would be anything but a simple one. That is a logical flaw on your part, and is what sparked the comment about omniscience. I would put to you that even if you are generally correct in your assumption, you are missing the larger picture. Americans tend to do very well; so, stupid or not, they must have something going for them. Labeling Americans as generally stupid is arrogant as was said previously because it automatically assumes that you are smarter than slightly over half of all Americans. You can’t honestly say that with credibility.
I do however agree with your comments about the tendency to label people as you described – in my experience I have seen that to be true with the majority of people whom I know or have spoken to. I would however say that you demonstrated the same kind of tendency to do so by claiming that Americans were not very intelligent. Not as specific, but it’s the same principle. You are attempting to tell how Americans view things, and you have no such credibility to do so. No one does.
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Bigmac1947
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:01pmWhen the middle east oil runs out, they will be down on their prayer blankets begging the USA for help, food and gas. Then we can spit in their face and remind them of what goes around comes around.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:12pmI wonder if the simpletons who make statements like this ever consider the notion that there are children in the Muslim world. Little boys and girls just like our children. I suppose in a country like this with a rudderless capitalist morality I shouldn’t be surprised at how eager people are to see them starve or die in nuclear fire.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:16pmNo, at the end of the day….we will help even then. We will not let them go hungry. Because our culture if filled with mercy and compassion. Their culture is filled with hate and hate….
They will in their heart of hearts laugh at us, but we will present love even to the ministers of hate.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:18pm…and Andy…Children died on 9/11… Did you bite your lip like Bill Clinton before you typed…Its about the children?
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:19pm…But at the end of the day, even with Obama cool aide drinkers like you attacking us, the good people of the USA will help them and feed them when their oil runs out.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:31pmPlease see my post below, I don’t support Obama. I’m also not willing to be ruled by reactionary, ultra-religious imbeciles, and since the conservative intelligentsia seems to be catering mostly to that demographic, I’ll probably just stay home in November.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:38pmThen you support Obama. Vote against him, vote for him, or be a coward and stay at home. Three choices in November.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:47pmThink of it as conscientious objection, anyone who believes in the efficacy of voting and does not live in one of our five or six swing states is a child. Besides, Romney presumably believes he will inherit his own planet as a god after death, so forgive me for hesitating to give him the keys to the bombs. I’m simply not capable of the doublethink that defines your political outlook.
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Jaycen
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 6:02pm@AndYetItMoves
You’re justified in calling Bigmac1847 a simpleton. His statement was angry and nonsensical.
Yet, you backed your “logic”, if one can call it that, with more absurdity. I can’t save every child. It’s not physically possible. I’m not even sure I’d want to. I have 3 of my own to worry about, and that’s pretty much a full-time job, along with my real full-time job, and all the other crap I have to deal with each day.
Why can’t people like YOU focus on what you can actually do, instead of trying to force everyone else to worry about the crap on which we couldn’t have an impact even if we wanted to? Good lord, wake up and deal with reality for a change, can’t you?
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 6:39pmAh yes, the classic defensive posture of the American conservative. Produce a list of all the wholesome, hard-working activities that fill up your daily life, and then accuse your opponent of having no idea what it means to be grounded in reality. I hate to inform you that I have children of my own, as well as a full time job. I have a vested interest in civil society and the maintenance of law and order. I’m a realist.
What I wanted to point out here, is how readily American Christians will dehumanize the Muslim world, how chillingly reminiscent their grammar is of proponents of genocide. I despise Islam as an ideology, just as I despise the circus of politicized Christianity that has hijacked American conservatism. What I’ll never allow myself to despise is humanity, probably because I have no religious license to do so.
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Taquoshi
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 11:19pmAnd Yet It Moves -
“Little boys and girls just like our children.”
Yes, they do have children just like ours. However, they are more than willing to strap a bomb on their kids and send them towards U.S. service men in the hopes that when the bomb detonates, it takes out our soldiers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7863554/Children-aged-5-used-to-plant-Taliban-bombs-in-Afghanistan.html
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=66772
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Kids-used-as-decoys-in-car-bomb-U-S-says-2-2568854.php
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=608103&page=1#.UFfnuxgZy2w
There’s more links, but that should get the point across.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:54pmOkay LIBERALS two options:
1. The Muslims were not reacting to the movie, but using it as a cover for the Muslim Harvest of Hate from the Seeds of their Arab spring, which means that the Obama’s administration foreign policy failed since he was the cheerleader for the Arab Spring.
OR
2. The Muslims were reacting to the movie, and they see us as so weak due to the Obama apology tour. This means that they were empowered to attack a weakened USA which means that Obama foreign policy created a brittle diabetic’s peace so fragile that a lousy movie can put the region in flames. Thus, Obama foreign policy failed either way.
TELL US WHICH WAY OBAMA FAILED?
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Bigmac1947
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:04pmI think the radicals just spit in Obama face and threw their shoes at him.
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TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 7:34amSkuttle **** is that these in Libya were on a mission to gather up the “arms” we “loaned” the radicals to oust Qhadafi and the operation was exposed and went bad…it seemingly is a complete cover-up by the administration…interesting to see what comes out of all of this like Fast and Furious…the movie is a cover as well…
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Bigmac1947
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:43pmI am sick and tired of these unintelligent, narrow minded radicals creating world disruption and killing innocent people. If, they can’t fit into 21st. century society. Eliminate them, they are a cancer of the World. No amount of money, Peace Treaties or American President is going to change these morons. The so called peaceful Muslims stay silent and let Americans fight their battles for peace.
Just let them kill each other over their stupid religion and not help them ever again.
The world would be in a heap of trouble if the Christians acted like that.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:50pm‘The world would be in a heap of trouble if the Christians acted like that.’
Actually, we know precisely what the world would look like. The term we use for it is ‘the Dark Ages,’ a period of several centuries when European civilization crumbled under Christian hegemony while Muslims were the torchbearers of civil society. The world looks a bit different now because Christians have been domesticated by some 600 years of hard fought secular progress.
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littleQueenie
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 5:16pm@and it yet moves
Actually, there is much Historical evidence that Islam was the cause of Europe’s Dark Age.
I’m sure this is an interesting book for anyone into History.: Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy – by Emmett Scott
I haven’t read it but it’s on my list.
It’s a relook of the book: Mohammed et Charlemagne, By Belgian historian Henri Pirenne was that was first published in 1936.
Look it up on Amazon.
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Monica2
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:42pmThe absolute tolerance or else group are a bunch of leftwing loons, I won’t tolerate raping kids, pedophiles, rapists, murders, wife beaters, child beaters who in the hell would sit back and allow intolerant behavior to take place in the name of tolerance? Progresives that’s who, their mantra is: IF if feels good baby do it, and they don’t care who that IT is.
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Bigmac1947
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:51pmThe Democrat supported social lifestyle is what makes the radicals in the middle east so angry at the USA. This results in the outrage they are now demonstrating.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:57pmI’m getting the sense that the average American reactionary has no idea which faction of society they want to blame for all the world’s problems, so naturally they do their best to include them all in the same sentence. Is it atheists? Muslims? Progressives? Socialists? Communists? Blacks? Immigrants? Occupiers? Drug Users? Homosexuals? Europeans? Trade Unions? Hollywood? College professors?
No matter, simple minds are extremely adept at simplifying.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:24pmMaybe if we we all chant,
“I believe in Apologies!”
“I believe in Apologies!”
“I believe in Apologies!”
(Like Peter Pan did for Tinker-bell),
…the USA foreign policy will come back to life?
Maybe? Possible? What do ya’ll think?
Seems as realist as the Middle-East catching on fire with thousands or millions of Muslims in full hate mode over a lousy movie that was watched by hundreds or maybe thousands.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:38pmMaybe if we boil down all of American political discourse to a skirmish of mindless, humorless one-liners then even mindless, humorless yokels will believe they have a license to preach.
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DarkJello
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:48pm‘Ali lambasted government officials and “delusional” individuals who believe that the threat is only temporary, that radicals can be negotiated with and that these incidents should be blamed on those who make controversial films, cartoons and other similar projects. People, she maintains, shouldn’t be in the business of apologizing for free speech.’
Hear, hear!!
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:51pmt’s at ~7.5 million and climbing for the top leading viewed video on YouTube right now, and ~4 million on another one, on the first page of hits.
…not that that excuses the violent stupidity of theists over, literally, nothing.
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jimbo_from_suwanee
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:52pmSee…Andy believes in Obama’s apologies…
And Bio-disel and electric cars and Solar and a president who can create 500K jobs a month and see the real unemployment rate go up to 11-15% when you count the people who have given up.
…Andy >> tooth fairy too?
apologize some more…MAKES US SO STRONG!
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:01pmLike I said. It’s actually pretty fascinating how the uneducated wing of conservatism in this country has managed to turn Obama into some kind of supernatural figure, the sole object of their fear, hatred, frustration, etc. They idolize him more than the Left in many ways. I prefer to look at things rationally, I don’t support Obama but I guess I’m just not simple-minded enough to blame him for all of humanity’s existential suffering.
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chiquelets1
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:17pmWhy r u all focusing on Ali’s atheism? Have none of u experienced something horrible and made u wonder if there is really a God? This is human nature. To the male yackers on this subject…if someone had removed your ‘dooley’ when u were 5 yrs of age so that u could no longer have sexual pleasure, how would u feel? Angry? And they did it in the name of God? Chill a little guys. Atheism is a STAGE of growth, not usually an end.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:26pmI would love for you to sit down with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and explain to her how her atheism is simply a stage of growth that will one day lead her to the intellectual territory occupied by the average American Christian.
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chiquelets1
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:50pmANDY…MOVES…”intellectual territory” seems to be beyond u my friend. Have u ever read INFIDEL?
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rose-ellen
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:52pmUnder mubarak-domonstrators would have been tortured or killed. Good that they are allowed to demonstrate against what they find offensive. That too is freedom. Good that their governments are no longer our puppets and stand with the right of their people to demonstate.Good that they answered inflammatory speech[the film] with inflammatory spech [pro osama rhetoric, on 9-11 and burning us flags].Good for them they too can express themselves.Our rhetoric is pervasively as hateful toward them as we claim theirs is toward us.You and fox media and right wing politicians are practically calling for genocide of muslims for years now.Hypocrites!The world and its peoples do not beling to you-and a billion muslims have the right to their opinions-including demonstrating .
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:03pmI certainly have. I recommend it as frequently as possible. I eagerly wait to see where you’re going with this.
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chiquelets1
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:38pmRose Ellen…what planet are u from my dear? When Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, YOU WILL wear a burqua..no choice!!…a full-face drapery over your face when in public, and you MUST LAWFULLY be with a relative while out…a MALE relative. What that means is you and a girlfriend can’t just go out for a latte…to pick up a bottle of wine…nothing. Men are legally permitted to beat you…your father, brothers, uncles…whoever. And I forgot Rose Ellen..they’ve already sliced off your clitoris when you were 5 yrs old, and you survived…most of your friends did not…they bled to death or died from severe infections. I am not a ‘conservative nut-job”…I’m a woman who wants to reach out to all women who are suffering. However, you are a true “slaver”. U think it’s OK for Muslim men to treat women like this, am I right? It’s OK for Muslim fathers to kill their daughters, here in the US, because they were becoming more Western?
Rose Ellen…drag your sorry ass to the Middle East or North Africa.
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v15
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:05pm“Dutch Muslim organizations had been demanding that the age of marriage be lowered from 18 to 15, touting the Prophet Muhammad as their moral guide.”
- Muslims define “marriage” as man and wife, man and 4 wives, man with 4 wives and 2 temporary wives, man with 4 wives, 2 temporary wives, and young boys, man with 4 wives, 2 temporary wives, 1 recently deceased wife, 5 young boys, and a herd of goats.
- Muslims will have sex with anyone that does or doesn’t have a pulse
- If goats could talk….
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:25pmOne day some author needs to collect material from these threads and write a book about politics, sociology, sexuality and religion through the lens of the American trailer park. I wish Freud were still around to do it, he would have a field day with a person like you.
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NOTAMUSHROOM
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:17pm@Andy,
The truth is the truth is the truth. If it offends you, so be it.
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corsair18
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 1:07am@Andy You remind me of an ankle biting yipping little dog. You sit in the bleachers and throw tomatos at those who participate. You offer little but criticism as a movie critic tears at the hard work of others. If your indifference and disdain is real, why don’t you take it elsewhere.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 1:12amTo call the posts that I am criticizing ‘hard work’ robs the term of its entire definition. What would you call your post?
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chiquelets1
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:52pmI read Ayaan Hirsi’s book, INFIDEL, a couple of yrs ago…it’s a real eye-opener about her upbringing in Somalia. She and her sister were castrated at a young age, beaten and denigrated for yrs…true family/religious SLAVERY. It makes your blood curdle. And this is happening to millions of Muslim women and girls all over the world, while Obama kisses the behinds of these male slave owners who justify their ignorant behavior via the Koran. Most of these men are not suicide bombers, but simply cruel, small-minded people, powerless over their own lives; thus, trying to control what they can…their wives and daughters. By apologizing to the Muslim World, Obama has put his stamp of approval on Slavery.
And to all the ‘nay-sayers’ out there…where are all the so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims defending their religion and the behavior of their brethren?
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TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 7:39amMay God open the eyes of America before it is too late- is it too late?
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WeroInNM
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:44pmMy following blog post contains numerous articles and/or blog posts and videos that reveal the disastrous results of: 1) the Islamic and Communist infiltration inside our government and our military, to include the President’s secret link to Hamas and Communists; 2) the President’s connection to George Soros; and 3) the shared agendas of George Soros and the President:
The Vetting: ‘Obama, Radical Islam and the Soros Connection’! (Part 3):
http://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-vetting-obama-rad…
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
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JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:42pmI am tired of you, and your pleas for tolerance, understanding, respect, you have proven these are nothing more than hollow words as time has passed. You have not only destroyed any belief that your faith is peaceful, you now border on condemning an entire race to scorn and being rejected by humankind. This is the end of the nice part.
Would you really like to know what we see when we look at you and your stupid pitiful protestations and ranting? Nothing more than subhuman, low IQ, fanatical, cave men, living in the year 1000. We are sick and tired of your Chicken Little anger every time some tiny speck of fly poop in the world offends your small minds sensitivities and sends you into a rage. No one cares anything about your ancient hate based death cult so called faith. We are tired of hearing the same old “religion of peace and tolerance” lies. We now know your so called faith is a conquest cult with very little tolerance for anyone or anything else, abusive, bigoted, racist, anti-women, anti-Israeli, anti-American, anti-anybody else in the world.
We realize there is no place for you in the world that is not anyone else’s fault but yours. You are the ones clinging to world 1000 years ago and trying to drag everybody into your ancient hell. Go back to your caves and rant in the darkness, rape your goats, blame the remainder of the world because you are incapable of picking up a “Mary had a little lamb” book and reading it.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:33pmI suppose it would be redundant to point out that Ali is one of the most outspoken and well known critics of Islam in all of international politics. I realize that the average American imbecile draws their conclusions the moment they encounter a Muslim sounding name, but if you can summon up all the intellectual tools that helped you pass your high school equivalency exam you might benefit from reading her book.
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rose-ellen
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:45pmPoliticians and media people are always pressured into apologizing when they say something that offends an interest group here..And they do. So all this hypocrasy about muslims taking offense-as if we don’t have our sacred cows too. Try saying things that offend other groups here and if you don’t apologize or back track. you’ll lose your job. What would happen if no one rebuked offensive language here?That is the question-how long would it take till demonstations took place? What’s wrong with demonstrating to show your offense?We’re ready to start world war 3 cause in iran they deny the holocaust and say that israel is morally illigitimate. What about their freedom of speech?Hypocrites!We are full of hate talk against them -and so are the israelis.It cut both ways -this hate.
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JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:11pmAndYetItMoves
Rage for rage sake is one thing; rage turning to murder is typically unacceptable in most persons mind.
I have grown weary of being castigated by all manner of liberal tripe, because I fail to understand such highbrow ideals of self-declared superiority to the great uninformed as per your declaration.
It is better to remain silent and thought of as a fool, (and a very prolific fool)
Than to speak up and remove all doubt.
You seem to take umbrage with just about everyone here, ever think that you are the one who is out of line, out of touch or just plain wrong?
Yes I know; how dare an Eloy call me into question.
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americanfoodblister
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:34pm@johnQ..which of the many Gawd Zealots are you referring to..?? Muslimsnutjobs,Christian nutjobs..Catholics …etc….adnauseum..
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SilentReader
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:22pmAtheism has always allied with the American Left. And the American Left feeds into the same Islamist goal of a global Caliphate and Sharia. And Sharia’s goal is to destroy Christianity.
Atheism = Sharia
Turkey was Anatolia. It was the site of the 7 churches of Asia. Anatolia was Greek and Christian until Islam invaded. They got a new government based on the Sharia. Notice what happens to Christians with the Sharia. Today Turkey is about 99.7% Muslim and about 0.3 % Christian and the Christians are leaving and declining. This is what happens under Sharia.
http://youtu.be/C9sYgqRtZGg
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:02pm“Atheism has always allied with the American Left.”
I know plenty of atheists who have stronger conservative credentials than most who post here. In my case, I am an agnostic who is an active Tea Partier who has NEVER voted for a democrat. My political activism dates back to campaigning for Eisenhower in 1956.
“And the American Left feeds into the same Islamist goal of a global Caliphate and Sharia.”
Yes, some misguided souls on the radical left who harbor an intense hatred for the right use the old rationale of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” and thus sympathize with the muslims. Only the most deluded among them want to see a global Caliphate and/or Sharia law.
“And Sharia’s goal is to destroy Christianity.”
Yes it is, but to lump those who have no religion with those who value it above all else is asinine.
“Atheism = Sharia”
You are out of your freaking mind.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:52pm“Atheism = Sharia”
WHAT?!
1) Do you KNOW what Sharia is?
2) Do you KNOW what atheism is?
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:21pmNow here’s a quandary, which would I prefer to associate with…. a Muslim or an atheist….
Let’s see. Both of the them despise Christians and would like to them dead. So far, the Muslims have shown they are more zealous about it. But, at least they are killing me because they believe in something….
Jury still out. I’ll have to think about this one.
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OniKaze
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:58pmThats not entirely fair…
Not ALL atheists dislike followers of faith… A true Atheist has no opinion… After all, why hate a god that doesn’t exist?? I mean, you can’t hate a “purple-people eater” since they don’t exist right??
Sure the LOUD (and heavily obnoxious) atheists spout hate and ignorant non-sense, but that doesn’t mean ALL atheists are like that… Muslims however, practice a faith that teaches hate, and if they don’t hate, they are clearly NOT muslim….
So while I understand what you meant, there is a BIG difference between the mindsets of atheists and muslims…. Atheists can be trusted on a case-by-case basis… True Muslims CAN NEVER be trusted, as their faith TELLS them to lie to us infidels..
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drs1969
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:26pmAtheistic Jews of the USSA are aligned with Muslims to bring down ‘White America’. They share more of the same genes, plain and simple.
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:26pm@ONIKAZE
Well put. There ARE fanatical atheists for whom atheism is a religion to which they want everyone to convert, but most respect the beliefs of those who find comfort in religion. In my case, I do not KNOW there is a God, but BELIEVE there is. I am not so arrogant as pretend to KNOW the unknowable. If someone is comfortable with their religion, then who am I to attempt to destroy their faith without having something more with which to replace it? By the same token, I am offended when someone aggressively, and using arguments I find faulty, tries to convert me to their beliefs. I feel no discomfort seeing religious symbols in public places, nor hearing Christmas music in late December. (Gotta admit, though, that it gets on my nerves when they start playing it around Halloween!)
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LibertarianMonkey
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:06pmI don’t understand …Islam or Atheism? … As an atheist I believe in the basic principles of morality proposed by Christian religion. IE. Do not, lie cheat, steal, excertra… I harbor no resentment to Christians almost all of my closest friends including my wife are Christian. On political facts I agree with the right side on more issues than the left and I have never voted anything other than republican or independent. The only time I get upset with any religion is when I state “I am not interested” and we can not move on to another topic. However you label yourself, Republican, Conservative, Democrat, Liberal, Libertarian, Christian, Atheist the list goes on… Just because you agree withing something doesn’t mean that you are just like everyone else in that category. I would like the think people are not sheep and everyone can find some common ground… Why am I even bothering posting is all I am thinking …Why not is a better question… Point is not everyone in a category is identical to the other.
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 10:07pm@Squid
I’m an atheist and I don’t want you dead.
I’m an atheist, and if you’re a nice person, I will be your friend no matter your religion or viewpoint on life.
I’m an atheist and i don’t think you’re born evil and worthy of an eternal punishment.
I’m an atheist, and if I like you enough I’ll help you put up a nativity scene on your property
I’m an atheist, and I also don’t want your nativity scenes on Government property
I’m an atheist, and I don’t want your God put in our national motto.
I have never seen an atheist on here say they want anybody to be dead. I have seen tons of Christians on here saying they want Muslims dead.
You may view me as an evil person who wants you dead, but fact is, I don’t.
Your post is the reason why non religious people think that religious people live in a world that doesn’t exist.
You continually build up these things in your head, with no evidence and no rationality yet you hold them as true as 2+2=4.
I likely have higher respect for you then you do for me, yet you’re supposedly the one with the “good morals”
For instance, you likely believe that I’m born evil and worthy of an eternal punishment.
I hold you in higher regard because I think that if you actually had to witness such punishment, you could no longer worship a being that would create and oversee a system that sends billions of people to such an outcome.
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UnrealHistory
Posted on September 18, 2012 at 1:01amModerationIsBest
I take comfort in your balance. Having studied over thirty years on the origins and patriarchs of the three great religions claiming a single source(and the only true religion) from Abraham, I have seen a constant.
In each set of holy scriptures can be found words that describe a loving God, along with words that authorize genocide for any outside the fold of true believers. The human traits of man’s action to rule over and subdue their fellows has been made a God-given directive. While these directives to authorize genocide are all a slap in the face to any God who is equated to love, they do support the ambitions of rulers and clergy to maintain power over people.
Each of the three religions have gruesome histories trying to control the beliefs of their own sect, and forcing their beliefs on others, all done under the blessings of their God’s name. We all know the labels of who is to be killed…blasphemers, heretics, idolaters, pagans, and infidels.
Were clergy truly concerned with the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being of their congregants, one would think they would behave with more compassion. Until the people of the religions learn the real histories of their religions(not offered by fairytales from clergy) I fear we are stuck in the 3500 year old ruts.
Believing in a God of love whose rabbi told us that the kingdom of God is within each of us, I will continue to seek the face of God in everyone I meet.
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PobeptMu
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:15pmI like what Peter Hitchens(brother of the late Christopher Hitchens of New Athiest fame) said that he would rather be an athiest in a Christian nation than a athiestic one. And I would adds “specially if the athiest was once a muslim.”
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:42pmI’m truly amazed that a reader of Glenn Beck’s website is familiar with a rational conservative, not to mention one from another country. Bravo.
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:14pmShe will soon have her head removed from her body ” Allah Willing “…………………….
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Monica2
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:47pmCowards like you haven’t got the guts to debate your medieval backward religion, you need laws to protect your semi-retarded selves from having hurt feelings. What’s it like being a caveman incapable of adult or mature thinking?
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ggr1868
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:09pmFor thousands of years the Islamic people have been at war. The concept of jihad is addressed in the Quran. Unless and until the devout leaders of Islam, which is a theocracy and not simply a religion with a dogma, denounce the practice of jihad and declare peace with Israel and the West, these people will be fighting and manufacturing atrocities.
They, however, still bring knives to gun fights. Now is the time to encourage Muslims to condemn this behavior. If they don’t, we must exterminate it before they acquire true weapons of mass destruction. NO cultural group on earth is more cruel to women. NONE. Beheadings, stonings, rape of female children. Disgusting. And Obama, POTUS, supports this culture by scolding us, threatening us, refusing to acknowledge the war on terror, and now, summoning a Hollywood film maker for a spoof on Islam.
What part of Obama’s hatred for America and American culture do his moronic supporters not understand. The man is a Marxist, anti-colonialist and hates our country’s historical founding principles.
Islam and Obama have earned our wrath and our vengeance. Our referendum on Obama will come 11/6 when he will be swept out of office in a landslide vote.Islam will see it’s just dessert with our guns, our drones and our blood.The Muslims have created the war but the West will finish it. God help the feckless in between.
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doomytram
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:09pmWe, hard working American’s, Conservative types, those who do love this country, our all Obama’s Osama’s.
It’s sad, but true I believe, Obama cares more about un arming our protectors of our embassy’s (Marines) than he does about his constituents (us).
It’s sad, but for the second time Obama and the first lady are proud of our country, by just opening up our embassy doors and sticking Ozero bullets in our guns….. and having Ozero protection at our embassy’s. The good guys are defeating the Americans in the Middle East he does believe.
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drs1969
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:35pmJust in time for the elections. Coincidence?
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:07pmNotice how one must shed theism in order to acquire reason.
“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.” Matthew 6:24 (NIV)–more true than the writer could have realized.
It’s religion or reason–choose carefully, for the consequences of human action are inescapable for better, or for worse.
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Blazed_and_Confused
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:40pmWhat he said.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:06pmThe pathetic TINA BROWN will do anything to manufacture for the magaine noboby reads or buys.
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nocomment
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:03pmLet me guess… no private gun ownership or ‘concealed carry’ permits in the Netherlands?
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 1:55pmSounds as though she has jumped right out of the frying pan into the fire.
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whatthecrazy
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 1:49pmWow, God bless her heart…………
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momrules
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 1:49pmWhile I think it a shame that she chose to become atheist rather than convert to Christianity, the antithesis of Islam, I still admire her courage.
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Walkabout
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:06pmConcurr
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americanfoodblister
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:47pmActually she seems like an intelligent, well spoken woman..why would she go from one (probably forced as a child) delusional brand of man-made nonsense for another..
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americanfoodblister
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:51pmShe seems like an intelligent, well spoken woman…why would she trade one (probably forced as a child) religious delusion for another…
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drs1969
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 3:40pmShe converted to the predominant belief system of Europe. That’s why they’re foolish enough to allow Muslims into their countries by the millions, to live off welfare. They don’t see things clearly enough to stop it. So much for atheists having reason. They’re simply naive. Possibly, fatally naive.
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Elena2010
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 1:47pmTime to start flattening islamic cities that are hotbeds of this kind of destructive attack as we saw in Libya. Islam only speaks the language of eternal grudge and violence.
If we want them to back down, we are going to have to shed their blood to make that happen.
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hi
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 1:45pmIt’s foolish to derive laws from Satan, but Laws from Christ who teaches LOVE and only LOVE is awesome.
We certainly don’t want to be “One Nation Under Man.”
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 2:03pmWe ARE a nation ruled by men–when has God ever interceded on behalf of the oppressed? Was it God who fought a war to end slavery? Was it God who forced the desegregation? Was it God who passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964, 1968 and the Civil Rights Restoration Act? Was it God who saved “His Chosen People” from the Holocaust?
No. And if you think anyone other than humans are responsible for the fate of the same, then I ask you–if God is so perfect, why the LONG delay in justice?
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DeavonReye
Posted on September 17, 2012 at 4:45pmI’ve read quite a few laws from the bible and would hardly call them “love”. Some are quite barbaric in nature. Others, . . . a complete mysogeny of backwards thinking and lack of understanding of the natural world and physical body.
But I agree with Archon. Things that are “done in the name of god” are still done by humans alone. Even IF they are “motivated out of a pious belief”, they are still done by a person who decides to “make a difference”. THEY do it with their own strength.
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