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Chick-fil-A Allegedly Agrees to Stop Funding Conservative Groups Opposed to Gay Marriage
The seeds of chaos were planted in July when Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy appeared on a radio show and publicly stated that his company opposes same-sex marriage. It didn’t take long for his statements to reverberate throughout the nation, with civil rights groups, media outlets and the public at large responding feverishly. This, teamed with the angst that was already created months before over Chick-fil-A’s past donations to groups that support the traditional family unit, created a furor.

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With the dust having finally settled, a shocking report from a Chicago-based gay rights group claims that the fast food chain has now pledged to stop funding groups that stand against legalizing gay marriage. In a press release on Tuesday, The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA) announced that an internal Chick-fil-A document shows that the company is re-thinking which organizations it will fund.
The Huffington Post has more on the alleged developments:
TCRA’s statement appears to confirm earlier reports which indicated that Chick-fil-A might be reconsidering their LGBT stance. Last month, reliable sources who did not wish to be identified told the HuffPost Gay Voices team that Dan Cathy, the fast food chain’s president, “welcomed campus leaders to a private luncheon in Atlanta…to discuss diversity, hospitality and the opportunity to find common ground,” though no further information regarding exactly which college groups were present was provided.
While the gay rights group claims that they are content with the internal statement, which seems to indicate that the company will avoid giving to conservative groups, they are hoping that Chick-fil-A will draft an official, anti-discrimination policy and release it publicly at the corporate level. TCRA also claims that there is a climate of mistreatment that is waged against gay workers and that the supposed culture must be confronted.
However, the internal memo did allegedly go out to stakeholders and franchises, calling for the company to “treat every person with honor, dignity and respect-regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation and gender.” The statement, which also seeks to separate Chick-fil-A from social and political debates, was placed on official, internal record.

TCRA, which purportedly advised Chicago Alderman Joe Moreno (who previously threatened to block Chick-fil-A from his city) as he negotiated terms with the company, praised the alleged development in a statement released on its web site. According to the press release, Moreno has confirmed these details to the organization.
The Chicago Tribune has more about the arrangement and Moreno’s work to arrange it:
Though Moreno said he scored a “big win,” the company made nearly identical pledges in a July 19 Facebook post that went up even before Moreno took issue with Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy’s opposition to gay marriage.
The statement of respect also falls short of Moreno’s goal of adding language opposing discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people to the company’s employee handbook.
Moreno said the statement will be included in a memo called “Chick-fil-A: Who We Are” to be distributed to all corporate employees and restaurant operators.
TCRA, while optimistic about the developments, was also cautious in its assessment of the movements on the part of Chick-fil-A.
“We are very pleased with this outcome and thank Alderman Moreno for his work on this issue,” said TCRA executive director Anthony Martinez. “I think the most substantive part of this outcome is that Chick-fil-A has ceased donating to organizations that promote discrimination, specifically against LGBT civil rights.”
While Martinez praised the development, he was careful to note that it is only one step in the right direction when it comes to relations between Chick-fil-A and the gay community. TCRA also claims that there is a letter that was addressed to Moreno and that came from the fast food chain’s senior director of real estate. It purportedly reaffirms the company’s pledge to re-examine and inevitably stop funding these groups.
“The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas,” the letter allegedly reads (Winshape is Chick-fil-A’s non-profit organization).
Some of the organizations that the company has supported include Exodus International, Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council. While BuzzFeed attempted to get a reaction from Chick-fil-A representatives, a spokesman refused to confirm or deny the story. Instead, the outlet received a statement that is reminiscent of what the food chain has said numerous times before.
“We have no agenda, policy or position against anyone. We have a 65-year history of providing hospitality for all people and, as a dedicated family business, serving and valuing everyone regardless of their beliefs or opinions,” it read. “The genuine, historical intent of our WinShape Foundation and corporate giving has been to support youth, family and educational programs.”
(H/T: Huffington Post)
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Comments (377)
bullcrapbuster
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:50pmThe homosexual community is trying to save some face after the terrible a$$ kicking they took over their attacks on chick-fil-A. They are not used to losing these battles and made a huge mistake by exposing themselves to such a huge public backlask.
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Kenszen
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:57pmI think you got it right.
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tonykeywest55
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:14pmyes, the militant sodomites arent used to people with convictions standing up to their bullly tactics so now theyre trying another tack. outright lies. I think Cathys statment was quite clear. They are opposed to homosexual marrage and support the traditional definition of marrage as God intended.
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TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:35pmGod LOVES everyone. He only hates their sin. Please don’t lie about our Lord in heaven.
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jzs
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:01pmbinge_thinker, propaganda? That’s what you call facts? Here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supporters_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#cite_note-globalpost1-273
So McDonald’s changed their mind? Perhaps you’d post a single link – how about Hobby Lobby? – to an official state of the companies you mention being against gay marriage.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:15pm@Kenszen – I agree.
@Tonykeywest55 – I agree and see no reason why people cannot stand up for their beliefs. This IS still a free country, yes? We DO still have freedom of speech, right?
@Tulsayeehaw – I agree, God loves us all, but hates our sin. Many people see LGBT as sin so while we may not hate those people, we refused to support their sin, just as I wouldn’t go to a parade to show pride for all the rapists in the world. That is why I don’t support adultery, stealing, lying, or killing (abortion is a good example there).
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:24pm@WOLFGANG THE GRAY
Ah, comparing homosexuality to rape. It seems like conservatism is growing the number of Rick Santorum and Todd Akin’s it has.
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Cosmos102
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 11:14pm@ Moderation
Rape and homosexuality are both sins. That was the comparison. No pride should be taken in either of them.
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binge_thinker
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 11:33pmJZS, and who can ever argue with wikipedia now?
My comment specifically talked about other religiously affiliated, Christian-centered companies like Chick-Fil-A that maintain a Christian worldview. Whether Hobby Lobby endorses the homosexual agenda( I’m betting they DO NOT) or not is something maybe you can search for on wikipedia and get back to us.
Your delusions have been noted. Off you go.
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NOT A CRAZY
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:52amI sure hope Chick-fil-A never forgets how they got their single biggest sales day EVER.
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sWampy
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:24amThe left are spin doctors, it’s not about gay marriage, it’s about access to children to abuse, pedophile is rampant in the homosexual community, after all, it’s how they reproduce, they know nothing about love since the majority of them have their introduction to love being molested or raped by one who claims to love them.
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ams9999
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:43am@Swampy
You don’t know any gay people, do you?
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Sosorryforyou
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:40am@SWAMPY
You are SO misinformed. By far, the largest percentage of children being abused by pedophiles is by heterosexuals, not homosexuals. Your hate is showing.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:22pmAms9999 – You don’t know any people who commit incest or are involved in polygamy yet your side says hateful things about them while hypocritically preaching tolerance.
Sosorryforyou – You must not understand the term per capita. If anybody is filled with hate, it’s you. You hate to see the idea that others also pick and choose who they’re tolerant of yet scream bigotry when you also pick and choose who to be tolerant of.
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Kenszen
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:24pmChick-fil-A didn’t change a thing, so don’t get so upset, people. Read in particular the last article:
http://www.frontiersla.com/Blog/FrontierBlog/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10440763
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/09/20/chick-fil-raising-money-very-week-anti-marriage-equality-group
http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/gay-advocates-cook-up-chick-fil-a-fairytale/
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Peachy Keen
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 5:16pmWhat a shame that you have knuckled under to some hatemongers! Christians everywhere stood up for you and by you and now you let the hatemongers tell you what to do. WOW! Why is it okay if companies contribute to liberal/communist causes, but conservative causes are not okay! Why have you betrayed all those who stood up with you? Now I’m wondering why I stood by you if you are now going to back down! Shame on you! I have lost all faith in your integrity, ethics and moral values.
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glassbeadlady
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:02pmWolfgang the Gray you got it right!
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EarthtoMel
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:48pmI want to see the official statement from Chick-Fil-A.
If they do cave, they have lost my business. I have been making a special effort to go there after they stood strong in the face of all of the conflict.
I will NEVER go there again if they cave.
Please stand strong Chick-Fil-A!
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Guerrino_P
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:24pmI’m with you EARTHTOMEL.
They will lose my business as did Lowes. They caved to that nut job Christian group that didn’t like TLC’s show, ‘American Muslim’. They hated how the show depicted Americans Muslim families as normal people. Lowes pulled their advertising in fear. Cowards, just like Chick-Fil-A.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:27pmYou must have a fascinating personality if fast food patronage is your main mechanism for expressing your political convictions.
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JustMeHere_01
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:44pm@AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:27pm
You must have a fascinating personality if fast food patronage is your main mechanism for expressing your political convictions.
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You are really reaching to find an excuse to criticize someone. I myself rarely eat out but made a special effort to patronize Chic-Fil-A to give them support. It has nothing to do with patronizing fast food places as you so like to state.
Then again, the left sure likes to use the boycott tool to advance their own causes. The other side opts for the buycott in a show of support.
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SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:48pmMaybe i missed it. Didnt see that they agreed to anything. Also havent heard of complaints of discrimination against gay workers. Afyer all they were hired werent they?
Another BS lie from an irrelevant ineffective gay rights group. Fail.
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HKS
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:54pmI hope there is no truth to this as I will never patronize them again, Stand up for what you believe in and I will stand with you.
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magadog
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:56pm…just damn…
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/chick-fil-a-chicago-alderman-strike-agreement/nSFcm/
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David Lampo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:59pmJustMeHere: The right uses boycotts as a show of support?? Where have you been?? Religious right groups just this past year took action again Target, JC Pennys, Lowe’s and Walmart for supposed pro-gay rights support. And soon Amazon for contributing to the pro-gay marriage side in Washington. They’re always boycotting some company.
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v15
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:12pm@Blazers, we went to show support at Chick-fil-A to say “We believe Dan Cathy should not be demonized for exercising his 1st Amendment right of free speech – that Cathy believes in the Biblical marriage.” This was about free speech remember? It wasn’t about what groups Chick-fil-A can and can’t donate money to.
You people are ridiculous. How’s your Amazon boycott going? You guys will boycott anything that doesn’t 100% agree with your beliefs. I’ll continue to use Amazon and eat at Chick-fil-A no matter what. Quit making the private sector have to engage in politics and then boycotting them because you have different believes. To me, that IS intolerance!
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JustMeHere_01
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:13pm@David Lampo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:59pm
JustMeHere: The right uses boycotts as a show of support?? Where have you been?? Religious right groups just this past year took action again Target, JC Pennys, Lowe’s and Walmart for supposed pro-gay rights support. And soon Amazon for contributing to the pro-gay marriage side in Washington. They’re always boycotting some company.
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Yes it works on both sides. That is why I am not a big proponent of boycotts. A corporation is just trying to reach consumers but they come under attack for one reason or the other. They spend big dollars on advertising that support many small businesses and the networks.
I don’t care who advertises where but I will take a stance when they cave to special interest groups. That is my pet pea peeve.
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jzs
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:18pmIn order to counter the threat of gay marriage, you’ll need a good starting list of companies that support gay marriage so you’ll know whose products to boycott. As a public service, here a list of such companies from (from wiki) you can start with:
Adobe Systems, Allstate Insurance, Amazon.com, American Apparel, American Airlines, Apple, Applebee’s, Ben & Jerry’s, Best Buy, Boeing, Clorox, The Coca-Cola Company, Costco, Delta Airlines, eBay, Ford, Gap, Banana Republic, Old Navy, Piperlime, General Mills, General Motors, Google, Motorola Mobility, Youtube, Zagat, Hilton Worldwide, The Home Depot, IBM, J.C. Penney, Kraft Foods, Levi’s, Marriott Hotels, McDonald’s, Microsoft, Nationwide Insurance, Nike, Olive Garden, Office Depot, PepsiCo, Procter and Gamble, Red Lobster, REI, Sears, Land’s End, Southwest Airlines, Starbucks, State Farm Insurance, Target, T-Mobile, United Airlines, UPS, Vulcan Inc., Walgreens, The Walt Disney Company, ABC, ESPN, Pixar, Marvel, Walt Disney Studios, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, The Muppets, and Wells Fargo.
Now get going on those boycotts!
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Jaycen
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:19pm@AndYetItMoves
Ah, the infantile Regressive Socialist mind. It’s not the “fast food”, it’s the money. You know this, but you had to find a way to complain about it that made you look superiour and your opponent look inferior. How tolerant and open-minded of you.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:25pm@JZS
Ah, I see you miss the point. Many of us, especially us libertarians, were not against gays when supporting Chick, rather, we were for freedom of speech. When a group decides to ‘shut down’ a place because the owner says something in a non-business interview (he was being interviewed for a Baptist publication), many of us take that seriously.
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v15
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:35pmAt least AndYetItMoves and JZS have some common sense. The rest of you start your idiotic boycott of all of the companies JZS listed. Also, quit using gasoline to fuel your cars.
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jzs
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:40pmGhost, as always, I am just trying to help get these boycotts off the ground. Maybe you disagree, but I think Americans have a right to know which companies support gay rights, so that they can start a boycott, if only by not drinking Coke, Pepsi or eating at McDonald’s or using Clorox on their laundry.
It’s a start. But if you wish to support those companies I listed with your dollars, go right ahead. I’m not against that.
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cburchfiel
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:49pmI totally agree i was just starting to like there food, If they cave they have lost my business to and i will sped the word!!!!!!!!!
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JustMeHere_01
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:51pm@v15
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:35pm
At least AndYetItMoves and JZS have some common sense. The rest of you start your idiotic boycott of all of the companies JZS listed. Also, quit using gasoline to fuel your cars.
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I think GohostofJefferson stated it very well. The comment just above your post. That being said it appears that you fully support boycotts against companies like Chic-Fil-A for their freedom of speech yet criticize any conservatives for doing the same thing that your liberal friends take.
I do not necessarily favor boycotts just because a corportation advertises or a takes a stance that I disagree with. Unlike the liberal left. Yes there are conservative groups that do the same thing. I do not support those either.
It is when freedom of speech is attacked or when corporations cave to special interest groups that I may or may not decide to use their services or goods.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:58pmJaycen I don’t think I need to use rhetorical tricks to demonstrate that I am ‘superiour.’ By the way, people who throw around the word ‘socialist’ with absolutely no regard for context or the subject under discussion invariably have no clue what it means. What on earth does socialism have to do with my opposition to bigotry against gay people? If you can only make sense of the world in terms of absolutes (e.g. everyone who disagrees with me on any subject is a socialist), then you are truly a waste of human intellect. I challenge you right now to define socialism in your own words (hint: it has nothing to do with gay people, college professors, muslims, occupiers, immigrants, or drug users). Have at it.
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AvengerK
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:58pmyeah ummm…JZS…I realise that protests and occupations are your thing along with the groupthink mentality that accompanies them (and the poor hygeine as well)…but you seem to be particuarly myopic and insipid in your producing a list of homosexual marriage supporting businesses.
When a private citizen comments on his own personal views and his business does not in any way carry out any agenda on those views..yet city officials choose to strongarm the business for the personal views of it’s owner…you have a free speech issue on your hands. Is this not so?
Along similar lines the Obama administration apologized to the perpetually outraged muslims of the world for a little viewed and poorly crafted internet film while these same perpetually outraged muslims were sodomizing and beating to death a US ambassador and his staff members. Then going to the extent of sending the FBI to the filmmaker’s home to “interview” him..along with imploring Google to “review” it’s criteria for making this laughable little film available on their online resources. Once again…government officials attempting to strong arm private citizens into silence on their views. Not coincidentally…these officials have been liberals and democrats.
Once again JZS you make me have to reiterate…I call you an idiot because there’s quite simply no better or more succinct encapsulation of you and your atrophied mind. Dunce or dullard works. Feeble minded cretin also.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:00pm@JZS
And again, in trying to play the farcical cynic, you demonstrate that you don’t understand the topic you’re attempting to lampoon. Many of us, and attend this closely because it’s the important part, are for freedom of speech and have no animus towards homosexuals. If you think this was primarily about gays, then you clearly didn’t listen to the live interviews during the big day for Chick-Fil-A, or if you did, you’ve flushed the memory of them down the memory hole.
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Mountainwolfman56
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:13pmIf this is true Chick-fil-A has just lost all my business. While everybody else where I work was talking about the evil Cathy, I was going and buying lunch and supper from Chick-fil-A to show support. After the support the American families gave to Chick-fil-A this is a slap in the face. Cathy you may gain the LBGT crowd but you’ll lose all the support from conservatives. By the way there is no such thing as a peaceful muslim, that’s a oxymoron! If you need proof just look at what they are doing now. We need to run all the muslim’s back to the sand hills from which they came.
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ToddinVB
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:15pm@ Red: You are too funny. Thanks for the laugh. I do remember you making me laugh hard once before when you said that you could take out a Navy Seal and that they’d never see you coming (In a post about Act of Valor). You then ridiculed another post for the spelling of Michele Bachmann’s name, while committing a similar offense yourself. Ironic, don’t you think? You, my friend, lost the moral high ground long ago. Please keep posting though; it gives me comedic relief in an otherwise stressful day.
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ToddinVB
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:16pmAlso RED, who’s losing you $500 a month in biscuit sales if you’re now giving them to Chick? Will they now need our support?
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encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:45pm@GhostOfJefferson
Actually you don;t support freedom of speech, if you did you would have not backed either side. Gay organizations have the same right to freedom of speech and the same right to express dissatisfaction with a company that gives to bigoted organizations. By showing support, you decided whose rights where greater.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:51pm@Enicom
LOL! Oh wow, I broke down and read your post and it confirmed to me the sheer silliness of doing so!
By your definition, if one engages in freedom of speech, then one does not believe in freedom of speech. So if I march in support of, say, gay marriage, that means that I am not engaging in freedom of speech or demonstration, since I’m taking sides. How confusing it must be, to live in your world. Is it shift change time yet, or will you be at the keyboard a bit longer to post more gems of comedy gold for our collective enjoyment? :)
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v15
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:57pmYeah, yeah, yeah. I have read all of your comments above and still think it’s idiotic to attach political beliefs to what you eat, what you wear, what you drive, where to bank, etc. Yes, it’s your right to boycott whatever you want but if you’re going to boycott one company that goes against one of your beliefs – such as gay marriage – then you should boycott all those companies that go against that one belief (not just pick and choose out of convenience). If you don’t boycott them all, then you’re a hypocrite.
Like I said, JZS posted a list of companies for you to boycott. Get busy
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jcldwl
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:00pmI notice the huffington puffington post is mentioned. Just an article trying to get a rise and thinking they will hurt Chic-fil-a in business. I’ll still eat it because it is good and run by a Christian business man.
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jzs
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:08pmAvenJerK – I can see you’re changing the subject. Are you serious about defending an attack by Romney directed at an American issuing a statement from the Cairo embassy to try to calm down the crowd (a statement not approved by the State Department or the President)? I mean, the bad guys were attacking our embassy, killing Americans at another embassy, and your guy Romney sided with the terrorist and added his own attack against embassy personnel. Wow, you’d think Romney would at least let the American blood dry before going after the other diplomats who were still alive. Some patriot he is. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/12/romney-says-us-embassy-statement-was-apology-was-i/
Ghost, sorry, I didn’t read your posts so, yeah, maybe I missed whatever point you were making. I bet it was a real good one though. I was making my own point and wasn’t responding to you and I’m not sure why you thought I was. Uh, thanks for your comments though I guess.
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Ruler4You
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:18pmPersonally, IMHBLO, I’m disappointed. I LOVE Chick-fil-A. But I harbor a resentment for worms. Especially those who turn due to opposition forces, on a dime.
Chick-fil-A had the high ground, IMHBLO. It was the owners philosophy. Starbucks, for example, “IS” a proclaimed amoral business model.
Interestingly, when business makes a ‘mistake’ it “IS” fed to the sharks. But ALL conservative business “IS” eaten alive just for existing. If you are a unprincipled, undisciplined, incapable, weak, or just plain stupid you have an advocate in the ‘democrats.’
It would be easy to take the above “out of context”. But I stand by my assessment. And, given the venue, I’d be willing to defend my position.
I’m in no way prejudice (beyond normal discrimination on a momentary basis).
I BELIEVE in the founding principles. I LIVE the founding principles, as close as possible in today’s world. But I am a frugal self sufficient type.
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JRook
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:26pm@AndYetItMoves LOL good point
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JRook
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:28pm@JustMeHere_01 Where have you been. The Republicans have boycotted the entire session of congress.
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toto
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:29pmIf this is true, then I wish I could throw up the long ago eaten chicken sandwich eaten on the day we all turned out in support of Christian values and freedom of speech. And I will NEVER darken their door again.
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wallawalla
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:44pmAbsolutely agree. Stand your ground Chick Fil A.
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encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:51pm@GhostofJefferson,
I do understand logic is hard for conservatives, please keep up.
The reason you joined Huckabee’s hate eat in was to protest gay activists daring to exercise their freedom of speech to condemn the bigoted practices of the corporation. You claim to be doing it in support of free speech, but the First Amendment was never in any danger, there were no government actors just private citizens voicing their disdain for “charities” that the corporation donates to. If you supported free speech, as you allege you do, you would have remained neutral. Instead you took a side, denounce one group’s right and supporting another’s.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:26pmOh Enicom, you poor soul. I know nothing I say will penetrate the fog of your illogic. Clearly you don’t understand that freedom of speech means all sides have that freedom, even the freedom to speak against somebody protesting you. It has to be confusing, all this dissent. I mean, we were supposed to just fall in line and march to the ovens when you people gave the order, but amazing, we’re no longer of a mind to listen to you. It has to sting, I’ll bet.
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encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:47pmOh Ghosty, who little you understand, free speech was never under attack, at least not until Huckabee and the fascist Christians made it an issue. Chick-fil-a’s rights were never in threat, the government was not an actor in this. You took the sides of the bigots and stood against one group. You can not claim you did this to protect a right that was never threatened. By taking sides and claiming that you were protecting the “freedom of speech” right of the bigots, you devalued the same right of those that seek equal rights. Since by your logic those groups had no right to protest, cause the protest threatens the free speech rights of bigots.
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binge_thinker
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 6:50pmNice list of propaganda, Jzs.
http://mailsrvr.jonasclark.com/society/315-mcdonalds-pulls-plug-on-pro-gay-marriage-push.html
McDonalds pulls supports for gay marriage.
While some on your list do support the homosexual agenda, there are many religiously affiliated businesses that believe as Chick Fil A.
Forever 21, Lifeway Bookstores, Tyson Foods, Inc., Hobby Lobby, Alaska Air, Mark Kay Cosmetics, ServiceMaster, Herman Miller, Interstate Batteries, Trijicon, Curves Fitness, Tom’s of Maine. In-N-Out Burger, and to an extent even Walmart because the Walton family, which founded the company and still owns a major stake in it, has used Christian servant leadership models in building the world’s largest retailer. And the company’s Arkansas roots helped sensitize it to the shopping habits of churchgoers. It also explains why Walmart long carries the kind of Christian books that were once the exclusive province of Christian bookstores. Off you go.
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independentvoteril
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 7:56pmI back that .. NO caving or lose business.. I can get a chicken sandwich at burgerking..
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 7:59pmEncinom – You mean your precious mayors of Boston and Chicago who were threatening Chick Fil A with not allowing them to open in those cities wasn’t government involvement, pinko? What you really mean by tolerance and acceptance is that we have to think and act just like you Marxists do.
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tonykeywest55
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:26pm@GhostOfJefferson said
” Actually you don;t support freedom of speech, if you did you would have not backed either side. Gay organizations have the same right to freedom of speech and the same right to express dissatisfaction with a company that gives to bigoted organizations. By showing support, you decided whose rights where greater.” someone isnt paying attention. first of all perversion isnt a right. but we supported Chik fil a because of the unlawful interference of Government.ie Emmanuel and Meninos attempt to discriminate against Chick fila for their deeply held religious beliefs.
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CenterLineStripe
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:00pmIm kinda bummed Jaycen never responded to AndYetItMoves.
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almont
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:13pmI’m with you Earthtomel. I will not be back if they back off. This is free country and we can support whomever we like.
Why would Chick-Fil-A be concerned about 2% of the population.
I think it’s a lie….lets wait for the truth.
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rbsJudy
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:26pmDiddo
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hardiepiper
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 10:34pmIt wouldn’t surprise me at all. Chick-fil-A was the main sponsor for the PBS kids show Between the Lions for years. It was produced by a lesbian named Judith Stoia whom often had celebrity lesbian hosts such as Melissa Etheridge and Iron Chef Cat Cora on to indoctrinate kids into accepting the homosexual lifestyle as normal. Her resume includes executive producing the afterschool special In the Shadow of Love: A Teen AIDS Story and The AIDS Quarterly with Peter Jennings. She even gave sex pervert Dr. Ruth Westheimer her own segment on the show.
When I called Chick-fil-A a few years ago to complain and find out why they were sponsoring this show, I was told to complain to my local PBS station and not to them. Huh? What sense does that make? They continue to spend their money funding the leftist PBS and incorporating it’s shows into their Kids Meals to this day.
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carrie555
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:19amWell said. :-)
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HBTeaMember
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:49amI agree. Why is it that freedom to do what you want is being destroyed. I just hope this country will stop all this madness. What is happening to freedom to give to whatever political party. This is an outrage and I am sorry Chick-fil-A has given in to the few who are trying to change what freedom is. May God forgive us to giving up on ourselves and what this country was founded on. Wake up America.
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Armyduderetired
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:47pmWhy don’t one of you blaze reports get a hold of chickfla corprate and get there side of the story. Do your job. Do you think this kind of report will help the company? Get going.
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EarthtoMel
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:51pmI agree. I wish they had BOTH sides of the story before reporting this.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:52pmSince I can now give my business to chick fil a, (which usually comes out to around 500 dollars a month for my employees weekly breakfasts.) Its CERTAINLY going to help thier company. They are going to get 6 grand a year from me. I think thats helping a business. And since I make a lot more money than most of you conservative religious t-baggers, Yeah, this is good idea for chick fil a
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:54pmYeah, you own a business. We can tell by the spare time you have to post on political websites.
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CatB
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:56pmI agree .. I want a statement from Dan Cathy .. I am sick of these “reports” that are later proven untrue … give us the facts … I was one who promoted and joined in the Chick-fil-A day buycott I want to know if he is now CAVING to the left. Get us the true story. I need to know if I will still be supporting them .. if they caved I will sadly stop much less if at all (I do LOVE their lemonade) bummer.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:00pm@Ghostofjefferson
Just like you, right? LOL Yes thats the joy on owning your own business, you can set your own hours. And for the record, I DON”T PAY ENOUGH TAXES!! but thats for another thread
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CatB
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:00pmLOL RED .. you only post on Chick-fil-A stories … and yea keep that fantasy world you live in … we believe you .. you are much richer than the rest of us … rolling eyes.
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Kenszen
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:01pm@Reddenblack I don’t believe you one bit. You are just blowing hot air. And if true, your statement proves that you homosexuals are not really discriminated against, right? “Make more money?” See, in the time of true civil rights violations, like for the African-Americans, they experienced true discrimination and could not “make more money.” Much of homosexual demographics show that you are in the upper middle class to rich. Kind of hard to pull that off when you are “discriminated against,” huh?
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optimisticallypessimisticrealist
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:03pm@reddenblack
Can you post anything without insulting others? T-baggers….
Chick-Fil-A did not discriminate against anyone; neither customers nor employees (it is against the law in this country). The whole brouhaha was about freedom of speech and not gay rights. But, hey, why would you try and understand that, or someone else point for that matter? After all, you are “lots of money making”, great and tolerant person, aren’t you?
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:07pmBilly Hallowell and The Blaze, you’re seriously pi55ing off your readers!
Your complete failure to even make a simple phone call to Chick-Fil-A before pasting this HuffPo propaganda is a disgrace.
You are damaging your credibility immensely among us, your core readers.
After you update this propaganda piece with actual FACTS, you’d best include a sincere APOLOGY, not only to Chick-Fil-A, but to us as well.
You have no idea how much this negligence, laziness, corruption, WHATEVER you want to call it, harms your credibility. How will we ever be able to read anything you post in the future without suspicion of your reporting?
Shame, shame, shame!
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encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:07pmHuckabee’s hate celebration day has failed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:08pmArgumentum tu quoque. And I never made any claim on this thread, you did.
If you set your own hours to where you can fiddle fart on the internet, I seriously doubt you own a business. Sorry, folks who employ lots of people as you claim, don’t have that kind of spare time during the waking hours. If you only work with your “employees” at night, I have seriously wonder what kind of business you run, and if it’s legal.
Your claims ring hollow, sorry. And trying to make this about you, is silly. Slainte, kid.
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ToddinVB
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:09pmHey Red, glad to see you can now afford spell check (hey, you started the insults). It’s been a while since I’ve seen you here. So are you saying that I don’t have a right to not support something? Is that not a denial of my rights? A person can marry a tree for all I care. To say I cannot stand on a principal is ridiculous. Where’s your tolerance for my opinion? My rights, by the way, don’t come from government, they come from God. And congratulations on your successful business. Just so you know, you didn’t build that. Someone else made that happen.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:11pmThis sound more like a rumor mill in hopes of stopping support for Chik Fil A
That and I want to see red get pizzy again.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:13pm@CHJAKA What is “public” ****? is that like **** that anyone can use
@KENSZEN First of all, if you can find somekind of credible source that says gay people ACTUALLY DO make more money, not just your BS “well EVERYBODY KNOWS that…” nonsense, I would love to see it
But furthermore, and I understand that this shocks. I’m not gay. I like to support groups and give money to people that support gay rights because its the right thing to do. How does the fact that gay people make money, have ANYTHING to do with how much money I MAKE??
And by the way, if the law says that two consenting adults can’t get married,
or be on each others insurance,
or visit them in the hospital,
or be considered a “next of kin”
then yes, those people are truly victims of discrimination. And if your tiny little brain cant comprehend that, you are either dumb, or disabled.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:16pm@ghostofjefferson
so let me get this straight, even though YOU DON’T OWN a business, you seem to know exactly how hard I have to work in mine? Thats interesting
I find it sad that you, as a gay person, find it so hard to accept who you really are. Instead you pretend to hate gay people. thats so sad.
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:17pmGhost as much as I enjoy Red being slammed for his piggish ways, I have to admit that I own my own business but… if it wasnt for my family doing a lot of the work that they asked if they could do, I would not have the time to be on here… So you are partly right, but I’m thinking, maybe he has… oh wait he’s gay right? no family! Ya whats the deal Red? (Unless he’s making his Mom and Dad do all the work which would be shameful…)
oh! He could have his gay lover who used to have a wife and had kids with but then realized that he was a girl and got a sex change but then met red and had another sex change so he could be gay like him and then Red has that guy’s (?Guy girl? it? thing?) kids doing all the work for Red’s business?
Just a guess.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:19pmAs we all know, the most vitriolic homophobes are invariably discovered on their knees in a truck stop bathroom stall at some point or another (See Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Glenn Murphy Jr), so maybe the announcement coming from Cathy will be something to that effect.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:19pm@toddinvb
Go find a SINGLE THING I SAID IN ANY OF MY POSTS that says “YOU DONT/SHOULDN”T BE ALLOWED TO BOYCOTT CHICK FIL A.”
Go ahead, try and fine one
YOU CAN”T because I never said any such thing. You have a right to protest in anyone non violent way you want about any subject you want. This is why I don’t give any money to religious groups.
But if you are going to support someone who is working agains giving equal rights to gay people. You are a truly, weak, cowardly, empty, bad person. If you truly think that what chick fil a is doing is right, you are sick
You have the right be sick in America, but that doesn’t mean its good. And it certainly doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be called out for it.
Still waiting for you to find where I said you don’t have the right to support or oppose chick fil a
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:22pm@jewish avenger
why do you think I’m gay? because I support rights for gay people?
Do you think all these people on this site that support Isreal are all jewish?
Do you think that people that say Mitt Romeny should be president are all mormons only?
Do you think people who oppose the death penalty are criminals?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:26pm@Red
More ad hominem. Typical.
I didn’t say I did or didn’t own a business. I was responding to your claim of owning a business that apparently employes a lot of people, or at least enough to spend thousands of dollars over a year for catering, all the while having ample free time as this thread demonstrates, to come in a toss out personal attacks on others. In trying to make this about me, you are in fact discrediting your own claims. Your rhetorical tactic of calling people “gay” and trying to drum up a poor attempt at reverse psychology informs me that you’re either just out of high school, or in the beginning years of university. Sorry, if you’re actually an adult over the age of 20 and this is truly how you react to people whose views you oppose, then you lack intellectual credibility on a debate forum, and simply cannot be taken seriously.
Slainte, kid.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:26pm@andyetitmoves
You forgot Mark Foley and half the Catholic church lol.
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kiwi1
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:31pmI just love the people that say we have to do “something” because “It’s the right thing to do”. Sounds just like the logic of the Communist/Marxist Dictator we have in the White House. Who are you to decide what “the right thing to do” is. Ever consider just maybe Your Wrong.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:32pmHey guys, ReddenBlack really does have a business. I drove by there the other day and saw through the window Red being banged in the keester by another gaf.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:33pm@ghostofjefferson
You don’t know what ad hominem means do you?
Since you don’t seem to have a grasp of english I will be very blunt.
“I OWN A CABINET MAKING BUISNESS THAT EMPLOYS 11 PEOPLE”
Understood?
Now if your response is “No you don’t! cause if you did, you won’t be posting here!” then YOU are participating in an AD Hominem attack. You are saying “you can trust red or what he says, beause he doesn’t own a buisness” and that is the definition of an ad hominem attack
BTW, calling someone gay is not an attack or insult
An insult is suppose to hurt someones feeling, and theres no reason to have hurt feeling about being gay, grow up
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RLTW
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:35pmRed
Instead of proclaiming you support gay’s why not just say you support sexual proclivities, it’s more accurate and paints a clearer picture of how ridiculous the whole concept is.
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QuincySmith
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:36pmredeye;
I didn’t know that being a gltb (?), democRAT, progressive troll paid so well.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:43pm@Red
Yes, it’s abundantly clear that I have no grasp of the English language nor any concept of rhetorical nuance nor even an inkling of knowledge concerning classical debate techniques.
Cabinet making? Wow, I’m sure you do. I own a major airline, and Donald Trump pays me rent on the ten skyscrapers I own in Manhattan. It’s true, because I posted it on the internet!
And ad hominem is turning the discussion away from the topic and making the discussion about the person you’re debating, usually through insult, although insult is not required at all (in fact, many forms of ad hominem do not employ insult whatsoever). But as you point out, I have no idea about that, so when you try to divert the topic by attempting to make the conversation about me, I clearly have no idea what you’re doing and you’ve clearly out maneuvered me, you smart fellow you.
I’ll let the rest of your post stand as it is without comment, because it amuses me. :)
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The Jewish Avenger
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:49pmAD Hominem ?
Add nausia.
I’m sure you’re a great guy but the cheering for an unverified blow to conservatives on a conservative web site? I’m sure that would go as well as a Pro-life Conservative Christian and his things to celebrate were heralded on the Huff n Puffin Post.
Note: Never said you were gay
Maybe the “he could have” left things vague… but it was what it was.
So question: with what you pay your employees and the materials that you get your cabinets from (I assume since you APPEAR to be a very pro-Huff type of person that you are not into using exotic or rare woods and are therefore appearing to be a generic Box Store type of design cabinet maker) what you have to pay for unemployement insurance, taxes, fees, regulation fees, licences, etc. Why oh why would you not be hoping mad at Obama and policies UNLESS four things:
- Every employees first name is Jose and you pick them up every morning at Home Depot.
- The 11th person is an interpreter.
- You are cheating the system (which if true, nulls and voids you from complaining about ANY corrupt corporation and business out there)
- Your Mom dropped you on your head, but only twice ( See: Goonies)
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dblaess
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:56pm@encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:07pm
Huckabee’s hate celebration day has failed. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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You are correct. Chick-Fil-A has by your value system now become just like you. What a wonderful world that is, where the values will change daily based on the media coverage. George, when are you going to use your real name here?
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:12pm@the jewish avenger
actually you DID say I was gay!!
“So you are partly right, but I’m thinking, maybe he has… oh wait he’s gay right? no family! Ya whats the deal Red? (Unless he’s making his Mom and Dad do all the work which would be shameful…)”
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:14pm@theJEWISHAVENGER
Why WOULD I be mad? I WANT TO PAY HIGHER TAXES!! I do have two hispanic employees, but they are legal citizens. No, I like paying higher taxes to get us out of debt. I guess I just make enough money that I don’t think about taxes, I pay what the irs tells me I owe. Dont see what the big deal is with the rest of you
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AvengerK
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:12pmLOL…yeah REDDENBLACK…you own a cabinet making business that employs eleven people..which gives you all this time to post pro-liberal, pro-Obama blather on discussion boards.
You’re nothing but the usual liberal troll with Media Matters issued talking points that infests this site. The only thing you employ is your iPad. Get better material clownshoes.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:56pmGHOSTOFJEFFERSON, I’m with you on what you said at the top of this thread. Maybe Red is going into the off season of his lawn mowing business, or it might be some sort of gaming review online.
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/ReddenBlack
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:45pmReddinblack – No surprise that you support a dictatorship getting to tell you what to do b/c you’re too stupid to figure out how to take care of yourself in life and you hate people who think and act differently from you getting to have freedom.
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Kenszen
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:44pm@Reddenblack You wanted a citation? How about one from a gay site?: http://www.mygayweb.com/info/advertising/demographics/
Shows that homosexuals are also pretty well educated. Can’t happen if they are being discriminated.
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ema
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:43pmI seriously doubt this.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:07pmMe either. Bigots don’t just become loving that quickly.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:07pmGod – Since when have you Marxists ever been tolerant people?
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iampraying4u
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:16pmDrink more tea eat more chicken
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 10:46pmYou need to learn another word other “Marxist”. It’s just not working for you, sorry.
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The Gooch
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:04amHmm, I believe the term you kiddies might be looking for is “nihilist.”
Can a fellow just a get a chicken sandwich in peace?
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QuincySmith
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:43pm““The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas,” the letter allegedly reads (Winshape is Chick-fil-A’s non-profit organization).” ~~~ I guess that means the gay community will not be seeing any Chick-fil-A donations anytime soon.
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woodyee
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:43pmDo NOT jump the gun on this folks! Chik-fil-A hasn’t spoken out on this yet!
This story covers what the sexual deviants want you to hear – nothing more.
Wait for Chik-fil-A to comment before drawing your conclusions. Thank you.
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momrules
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:53pmI agree Woodye. Let’s wait and let Dan Cathy comment.
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encinom
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:08pmHate and bigotry is never a winning business strategy.
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:10pmHow about the “reporters” of this propaganda piece make a simple phone call to Chick-Fil-A for comment? I don’t expect HuffPo to bother doing this, but The Blaze damn well should have before disseminating this garbage!
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woodyee
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:17pm@ ENCINOM – “Hate and bigotry is never a winning business strategy.” Obviously you speak of the vilification of Chick-fil-A by organized deviants against sexual norms. But neither are posts consistently made to inflame, most without substance or knowledge aforethought…much like the ones you posted as “Trollmonger”.
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:26pmWool-free I think you have a somewhat inflated idea of the quality of reporting to be expected from this website. It is probably the most poorly managed news site with a reasonable constituency on the entire internet, as evidenced by typos in literally every article, suffocatingly bad attempts at humor or sarcasm, and the sneering, infantile tone of ever piece written here.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:21pmAndy – Since when have you Marxists ever been intelligent people? LOL
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AndYetItMoves
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:01pmI would bet my left leg you can’t define Marxism right now in your own words. People who throw that word around as a catch-all for opinions they disagree with scarcely ever have a clue what it means.
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:40pmI love it!!! The right wing Beckbots are in complete denial already…LOL!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:54pmYou love what? Rumors and allegations? Seeing other people upset?
Do you realize what this says about you as a human being?
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woodyee
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:57pmRead the story, she-bag…
If you find a comment in it whereby Chick-fil-A has confirmed what the sexual deviants have said, post it in defense of your two ignorant comments; Then I’ll retract this and issue an apology.
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ShyLow
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:35pmI can’t wait till there is no wrong anymore.I have a mixed-race cousin I want to get to know better
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BGR38
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:38pmNuts!!!!
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ShyLow
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:38pmArt is like morals, you have to draw the line somewhere… I want to marry my sister that used to be my brother and have a three-way with my mom
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AJAYW
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:38pmDidn’t take long for them to fold……….cowards -
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momrules
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:57pmLet’s wait and hear what Mr. Cathy says.
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MsMarylou8
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:37pmSince when is being against gay marriage a political agenda. Not in my mind. What a quick change of heart. Now you can have your cake and eat it too.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:36pmHaye is not a Christian value.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:54pmHaye?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:55pmYou’re correct, haye is not a Christian value. In fact, it’s not even a word.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:53pmHaTe, My typist is at lunch
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Gonzo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:13pmSo is your brain.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:13pmAh, I see you belong to the huge cadre of Leftist Business Owners who sit and post on the internet in political forums.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to collect my skyscraper rent from Trump.
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JustPeachy
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 11:59pmGonzo–you have a quick wit! LOL
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PeteOH
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:36pmChick-Fil-A… Don’t you dare back down! Remember, “you can never go wrong doing the right thing”!
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:40pmThats funny, my mother always taught me that taking rights away from people is the wrong thing to do.
Guess you never had a mother and father growing up…
RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:53pmREDDENBLACK, I’ve actually read where members of NAMBLA have made the same statement. But, in your opinion, just what right would that be? To pervert an original religious institution?
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:55pmWhat right is a chicken sandwich shop taking away genius?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:58pmMarriage is a religious concept. Civil unions are a government created concept. Nobody is taking away the right to civil unions. If you want to force Christians to betray their values regarding marriage, then THAT is taking away rights.
If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks.
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QuincySmith
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:06pmredeye;
Funny that you support having a mother and a father. In your world it would be the other father who taught this lesson.
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PeteOH
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:11pmHey RedNBlk…. Idiot! ZERO rights have been “taken” from gays and nobody, let alone Chick-Fil-A is that that they should be. Gays have the same right to marry… someone of the opposite sex… just like straights do. Oh… at least I KNOW who my daddy is! … How’s that for “right”?
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:25pm@RJJINGADSEN
“I’ve actually read where members of NAMBLA have made the same statement. ”
Since I don’t molest childeren, I don’t really know what NAMBLA says
Yeah I bet you spend ALOT of time on NAMBLA websites
I hope you don’t work around childeren, I think the police should have a look into your business. Anyone who keeps up with NAMBLA is clearly a child molester.
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Words_of_the_Buddah
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:23pm@GHOSTOFJEFFERSON
What if you are not a Christian and you’re getting married? I’m a Buddhist, and my temple has no issue with the gay community. None of us share your beliefs, so why should we have to obey your definition of marriage?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:38pm@Budda
I said “religious” not specifically “only Christian”. I also said civil unions are perfectly peachy and nobody is taking that away from anybody, so even then, you can still get into a civil union even as an atheist. If you want to get married and have no religion, then that’s between you and whatever religious institution you feel will accept your request. Attention to detail is something you may want to attend to. Remember, Readers Are Leaders! ™
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Words_of_the_Buddah
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:51pm@Ghost
Yes, but my religion does not forbid true to the word marriage. Why should the members of my temple have to have a civil-union rather than a true to the word marriage?
@Red
I agree with your stance, but you’re going about expressing it all wrong. Please sir, stop now while you’re ahead of yourself.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:03pmBudda,
Wow, I’m trying to help you here but you persist in looking for disagreement where none exists. Is that a Buddhist precept? If your religion, Buddhism, allows gay marriage, then that is your religion and you can have marriage. Religion still remains a religious institution, and claiming that a religion allows marriage between XY or Z doesn’t negate the claim. Get it?
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Words_of_the_Buddah
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:09pm@Ghost
I do apologize, I failed to interpret your meaning, and that my fault. We are in agreement that no religious institution should have need to betray its beliefs when it comes to marriage, but at the same time no religion should have to accept any other religion’s definition. However, if that’s the case than there should be no laws forbidding same-sex marriage.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:12pmLOL, sorry, I meant to say “Marriage is a religious institution”. My bad. :)
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:15pm@ghost
Happily married Athiest here. Am I violating your religious freedom?
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:45pmHi God Is Not,
I see you didn’t grasp what I was saying. And if you didn’t get married through a religious organization, then you are in a civil union by definition. And that’s fine. It’s a shame that so many people are so ignorant about history and their own language.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:03pm@Buddha
I’m glad we came to a meeting of common ground. That’s precisely what I was saying, yes. And frankly the whole “gay marriage” debate seems to me to be a lot of huffing and puffing from both sides. I honestly have nothing against gay civil unions, at all. I’m a libertarian, it is none of my business how others wish to conduct their lives. My interest in this line of events begins and ends with freedom of speech and expression. On this particular story, it’s about whether a person engaging in freedom of speech betrays what he/she said were his beliefs in order to make more money (or because of some other kind of political pressure). Inconsistency and hypocrisy bother me greatly. Say what you mean and mean what you say, but if you try to play off both sides and betray your own proclaimed values, whatever they may be, then don’t expect me to be a customer.
At this point however, it’s all allegation. We’ll see what pans out as the story unfolds.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:19pmREDDENBLACK, LOL, should have mentioned that I was involved with the investigation of some activities of a self professed member of NAMBLA. Other similar investigations have helped put a couple of these perverts in prison though. But, as I said above, some NAMBLA members have claimed the same thing you said about taking away their rights.
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:12pmI was fairly confident you would avoid the question, offer no substance, and ultimately resort to ad hominem.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:29pm@Is not
You do not understand my point. And I answered your question. You are in a civil union, assuming I mean that you did not get married in a religious institution or under religious conditions. And that’s fine, the problem is that the word “marriage” has been confused by many to mean government license of unions, which it never was and never will be. It’s an issue of confusing terms, kind of like how some folks refer to semi-automatic rifles as “assault weapons”, and everybody then assumes that “assault weapon” means a scary looking semi-automatic rifle, when in fact assault weapon actually means a select fire rifle carried by combatants. Marriage is suffering the same confusion in regards to civil unions. Hope this clarified it for you, assuming of course that you were actually looking for an honest answer and not just to pick a fight.
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autumnmorning
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:56pmamen………….
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Words_of_the_Buddah
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 7:34pm@Ghost
It is a welcoming sight when someone who I’m sure I do not share many of the same political views with and I can find common ground and discuss it in a civil manner. Sir, you are part of the reason why I still have faith in this country and our ability to get along, or at the very least remain civil. Have a good day sir, and God bless.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:56pm@RJJINGADSDEN
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did. Yes I believe that is the truth
Your were just “investigating” nambla. Sure
yep, I believe that.
No, you just like to molest little boys. You should be ashamed of yourself
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God_Is_Not
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 11:02pmI’m genuinely interested, but you’re playing word games. My ‘marriage’ is officially recognized by the state of MN. You may not consider this a ‘marriage’, but all 50 state in the union do. If you call it a ‘civil union’, that means nothing. That would be like me saying my neighbors marriage is invalid because I don’t like him; completely irrelevant and pointless. You’ll say marriage is a religious institution. Again, it doesn’t matter what you say. You don’t have a monopoly on marriage, the definition, or the legal assignment. You also don’t have the right to tell a wife, a mother, a son, a daughter that you don’t recognize a particular marriage because it didn’t meet you standards.
I’m an atheist. I’m legally married in the USA. Am I violating your religious freedom?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:20pmGod – Why aren’t you self righteous hypocrites advocating for polygamy, incest, or other alternative forms of marriage if it’s a civil right to you sickos?
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obxned
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:35pmWell, if this is true, I’ll skip the Chick from now on.
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thibx
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:34pmi hope not if so i will quit eating there.
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thorkyl
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:34pmNot quite sure what to think…
I fully suport their right to spend their money as they see fit.
However, I am not sure I can be a customer anymore if they are willing to bow down, or bend over in this case, to a bunch of gays.
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woodyee
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:34pmI’ll believe it when Chik-fil-A says it.
I don’t believe the corporation is going to allow a group dedicated to sexual deviants, to dictate company policy – “While Martinez praised the development, he was careful to note that it is only [ONE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION] when it comes to relations between Chick-fil-A and the [sexually deviant] community.”
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RightUnite
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:34pmI call B.S. on this.
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SREGN
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:42pmI second it.
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gbfreak
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:33pmWhy is this company bowing to the less than 1% ultra minority? Chick Fil A didn’t discriminate or break any laws. They are a private company. The US stood strong against the LGBT attack groups. No one cares or wants to know who they have sex with!
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:42pmWhere are you getting your 1 percent figure? Lemme guess you go that ROYA, right?
Yeah, try ten percent. And it doesnt matter if it’s only one person. There is NO REASON to deny gay people any right. That includes the right to marry who ever you want.
It’s good to know I can eat at Chick fil a again.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:59pmActually, the “10%” is a discredited number, which a university made up a few decades ago without any supporting evidence. Do your homework please.
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:00pm“Gay people” is not a race, gender or creed of people. They are a group of people who are delineated only by their sexual desires. I missed in the Constitution where people are identified and guaranteed rights by their sexual deviancy.
Besides, marriage is not a right any more than driving is a right. We discriminate who can drive.
I can’t marry a man either. The fact I don’t want to is irrelevant. Gays don’t want equal right, they want special rights.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:28pm@ghostofjefferson
Ok, show me a reliable source confirming your statement. Let me see it
Still waiting..
BTW, the drudge report is not a credible source
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:52pm@Red
The Williams Institute study of 2011 found only apx. 3.% of the population identified themselves as LGBT (any category). Even California, the most heavily populated state among LGTB individuals, reports only a 5.2% population count.
The “10%” study was busted a long time ago as lacking rigor, scientific method and as being done in a population that was already biased towards homosexuality. This is old news, even in the LGBT communities, please do your homework.k
Here, for your edification:
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf
Please, don’t walk away upset that somebody used facts against you, instead, study, learn and, if you’re honest, change your position on the 10% number. Or fight and keep up your incorrect position and label yourself dishonest. Your choice.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:23pm@ghostofjefferson
Your right its not 10 percent…. its 11
its litteraly the 4th bullet point
Estimates of those who report any lifetime same-sex sexual behavior and any same-sex
sexual attraction are substantially higher than estimates of those who identify as LGB.
An estimated 19 million Americans (8.2%) report that they have engaged in same-sex
sexual behavior and nearly 25.6 million Americans (11%) acknowledge at least some
same-sex sexual attraction.
25.6 million (11%)
sounds like more than 1% to me
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:35pmAcknowledging some attraction is not “gay”. A woman can find another woman attractive, but not want to sleep with her. Same for a guy. You can be the manliest man in Timbucktwo, and still be able to say “That guy over there is a snappy dresser and comes across as very handsome”. In fact, in popular vernacular, it’s a recognized trait of being secure in one’s own sexuality to not be afraid to say things like that. I’m assuming here that you are somewhat familiar with the basic culture of these united States of course.
I know you had to try to save face, but facts are facts kid. Here’s the first bullet point, which you skipped over:
“An estimated 3.5% of adults in the United States identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual and
an estimated 0.3% of adults are transgender. ”
I see however, that you appear to have chosen the path of dishonesty. It is to be expected, since Leftists cannot ever…EVER…admit error in their ideology nor in their own pronouncements. If there is error, it’s with somebody else, always. That’s how dogmatic minds work. We get it. That’s fine and well, as it demonstrates everything I felt it would demonstrate, and I thank you for your predictability and allowing me to lead you without too much effort. At this point, you have divested yourself of intellectual credibility, chosen to prove that you are dishonest before the assembled readers, and thus any further conversation with you would be an exercise in futility. Slaint
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:11pm@Red
You’re embarrassing yourself, friend.
The 8.2% who engaged in behavior and didn’t identify as LGBT can be easily explained by women (usually) who reluctantly enter threesomes under the strong pressure of their boyfriend/husband and engage in the behavior, but did not enjoy it. I know of two women in my own circle of acquaintences who did just that, regretted it, divorced their husbands and went through long periods of self loathing as a result. In your limited world view (due to a need to never be wrong), you just labeled them as gay. Congratulations.
The mistake your making is elementary, you’re inferring identification without supplemental supporting evidence. In other words, you’d be labeling ducks as “fish” because they both swim in a pond, based on swimming alone. Inference of that sort can get you in trouble statistically, which is why people don’t apply labels in real science based only on inference.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:24pmGhostofJefferson – And here the LGBT liars are trying to claim that they’re not trying to get people into the homosexual lifestyle.
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Gonzo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:32pmBaloney.
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Wango
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:57pmNo, chicken. And it looks like y’all better line up and “return” all them sammiches ya ett. They’re even better coming up than going down. Mmmmmm.
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Gonzo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:22pmYou will be eating crow, not chicken Wango when Dan Cathy refutes the gay rights group’s claims.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 2:58pmAlmost every extended family has a gay member.
The ‘family values’ thing comes into question.
Maybe Cathy woke up and smelled the amyl.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:04pmWe’re all for family values – except THOSE members of your family.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:49pm@Verse
Unsupportable supposition. I can do that too, and it would be equally as wrong. For example “Every flock of ducks has at least one duck that cannot breathe air”. Now, the question is, does every single flock of ducks have one existing duck that cannot breathe air, or did I make that up out of thin air, present it as fact, and then try to build an argument around it?
See what you did there?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:01pmVoiceofstupidity – Yet you Marxists hate inbreds yet you hypocrites preach tolerance, diversity, acceptance, and all of that other BS. So excuse me if I’ll also pick and choose who to be tolerant and accepting of just like you do.
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Wango
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:38pmGONZO / GHOST OF SHERMAN HELMSLY / GIT-R-DUM . . . You know in 16th Century France the aristocracy would gorge themselves on chicken sandwiches and slaw and Dr. Pepper, then because their ravenous appetites still raged, they would retreat to a trough and purge themselves so that they might continue their gluttony.
I know what you’re thinking – “Hey, this sounds familiar. I’m a glutton, and I’m feeling a little sick right now.” And you should. Because it sure looks like Chixs w Dix has caved like a wet tortilla. Delicious. Similarly and herein you all prove that this was never really about free speech, it was about the gays all along, just like we said – and you denied. I look forward to your boycott of this evil leftist company.
One last thing – Andrew Weil said vomiting is the bridge between the conscious and the subconscious mind, so you have that to look forward to as you’re leaned over the sidewalk heaving your chicken-stuffed guts out at the local Chick fill A – you know, in protest.
Q: What does chicken taste like?
A: It tastes like crow.
Thus endeth the lesson.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:23pmWacko – Yet in your world, nobody would be allowed to have enough food to eat since the government would distribute all of what they claimed people needed just like your Soviet Union.
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biohazard23
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:32pmAllegedly…. Sure, and these gay rights groups will allegedly start demonstrating tolerance for opposing viewpoints.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:36pmHow could you, still, at this point not get the real issue.
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biohazard23
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:40pmWow, the FBI gave you your computer back already? Cheers!
BTW, supporting traditional marriage instead of gay marriage does not equal hate. Disagreeing with someone does not mean hating him. I disagree with you on probably everything but does that mean I hate you? Uh, no. It’s a pity you can’t wrap your little brain around that.
Disagree:
1: to fail to agree ; 2: to differ in opinion ; 3: to cause discomfort or distress ; 4: to contain different information, or to produce different results
Hmmmmm, doesn’t look like “hate” is in the definition. Let’s check synonyms, shall we?
“be discordant, be dissimilar, clash, conflict, contradict, counter, depart, deviate, differ, discord, disharmonize, dissent, diverge, run counter to, vary, war”
Nope, “hate” is not listed there. Then again, I didn’t get those from the liberal version of the dictionary/thesaurus so if there’s another progressive edition out there specifying “hate” as the equivalent of disagreeing, then by all means, let us know. :)
Oh yeah, and bless your little heart, you poor dear. Have a great day!
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:31pmThis had better be false. If the amazing outpouring of support for Chick-fil-A with lines stretching for hours, didn’t show them we support them, and they feel the need to cave to the pressure of a minute but sneering and noisy micro-minority, then they will no longer get my business. Standing for what is right and good must always exist independent of a bottom line in business. That simple.
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:48pmGHOST, My thoughts exactly. Guess we’ll have to wait to see if Chick-Fil-A confirms this claim from the ” Chicago-based gay rights group.”
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Gonzo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:50pmPrepare to be shown what a fool you are Red. Fire when ready Ghost. I’m going to pop some popcorn and watch the show.
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Kenszen
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:51pm@Reddenblack Yes, follow your own advice—keep it to yourself.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:55pm@ghostofjefferson
“If the amazing outpouring of support for Chick-fil-A with lines stretching for hours, didn’t show them we support them, and they feel the need to cave to the pressure of a minute but sneering and noisy micro-minority, then they will no”
Guess what? You people are too poor to make them enough money to make up for all the people, like me, who boycotted chick fil a. OPPOSING GAY MARRIAGE COSTS THEM MORE MONEY THAN IT MAKES THEM!!!
If you support capitalism, then the smart thing to do is support gay marriage.
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momrules
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:59pmI agree GHOST……I’ll wait to hear Mr. Cathy’s response.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:00pmHi Red. I enjoy that you can’t make a post without ad hominem. Thanks for keeping up the screeching. Cheers.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:03pm@Red
You’re free not to support me or my endeavors. We’re free to support or not support whomever we wish. What part of liberty confuses you? Do you feel we must be forced to support values that are against our own beliefs?
If you could skip the 10th grade debate team verbiage a bit and answer, it would be greatly appreciated.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:10pmAlso, curious Red, if economics trump holding true to one’s values in your world, doesn’t that make you exactly what your side accuses the Right of being, people only concerned with making money at any cost?
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Female
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:35pmWarning a bit too truthful for the pure and prudent but please don’t remove.
RBlack,
Have you ever thought of a pictorial puzzle where somebody forcefully puts two identical pieces together and one filled with poop or another puzzle where the pieces are again identical but can only be attached using a tool or upside down but never quite correctly, fully fit, and regardless, how you try to accept it these as loving, it is just messed-up sex….it just doesn’t function as intended, is always creepy and disgusting, and unable to be reproductive without assistance from the true opposite sex.
Please forgive me, I am just exhausted at the dance around the truth. Abortion is the killing of babies. BF and CL is disgusting, wrong, and unproductive.
“Disgust is an evolved psychological system for protecting organisms from infection through disease avoidant behaviour. This ‘behavioural immune system’, present in a diverse array of species, exhibits universal features that orchestrate hygienic behaviour in response to cues of risk of contact with pathogens.” Article: Disgust as an adaptive system for disease avoidance behaviour
Valerie Curtis*,
Mícheál de Barra and
Robert Aunger
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Gonzo
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:38pmcricket, cricket, cricket…
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:48pm@female
“Have you ever thought of a pictorial puzzle where somebody forcefully puts two identical pieces together and one filled with poop”
Uhm, no. I have never thought of a pictorial puzzel made of identical peices filled with poop. Thats a new one
“Its just messed up sex”
Ok lets say it is. If two people enjoy “messed up sex” and they only do it with themselves, then what do you care?
and dont give me the “well i dont care what they do just dont THROW IT IN MY FACE”
how are they throwing it in your face? by holding hands and hugging in public? should we make a law agains straight people being affectionate in public? a lot of people don’t want to see that
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 3:07pmApparently that was a one day thing.
Maybe too many folks got the runs, ptomaine or chicken flu.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 4:23pmVoiceofstupidity – Any proof to back up your claims, pinko?
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Wango
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:17pmGHOST OF PETER PRINCIPLE . . . “Standing for what is right and good must always exist independent of a bottom line in business.”
You don’t know much about business.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:32pm@Wango
I find it continually amusing that you cannot make a single post, to anybody who is “against” your ideology, without hurling ad hominem. It makes me question the need to even bother to respond to you.
And no, I understand business just fine, thank you. Maybe in your view it’s great to be amoral and sell out your principles for a buck, and that would surely explain why you’re on the Left and harbor resentment towards businessmen, but fact is lots of businesses do quite well running on their owner’s stated principles. Not everybody is the type that you’ll find in the Left, who will sell their souls for a piece of silver.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:02pmWacko – Yet catering to the LGBT perverts isn’t good for business. The Chick Fil A appreciation day on August 1 showed that.
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Wango
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 9:13pmGREAT PETER’S GHOST . . . I want you to think about this:
“I find it continually amusing that you cannot make a single post, to anybody who is “against” your ideology, without hurling ad hominem. It makes me question the need to even bother to respond to you.”
I employ ad hominem attacks with great regularity. I love em. That’s the difference between me and you and your friends here – I admit it.
(wait . . . keep thinking)
However, my post that you responded to doesn’t have an ad hominem attack in it. I find that curious.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:18pmWacko – Then don’t expect anybody to be tolerant of you losers while you hypocritically preach it down our throats while practicing the opposite.
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ReddenBlack
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:32pm@wango, I have gone back and forth with him on the same issue. He thinks mentioning any other person is an “ad hominem” attack.
He doesn’t understand english….. or at least latin.
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GoodStuff
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:30pmCowards!
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dickdastardly
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:28pmDon’t cave Chick-fil-A’, it’s better to be right in the eyes of God than the eyes of man!
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TROLLMONGER
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:12pmMan created god. Not the other way around. And you cant prove otherwise. So your comment is in theory only.
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GhostOfJefferson
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 1:28pm@Troll
Suppositional comment lacking evidence, since nobody has any way of knowing one way or the other, by definition. Try harder.
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Verceofreason
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 5:26pmgod don’t pay the rent.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 8:03pmVoiceofstupidity – You Marxists don’t pay the rent. So why should any business give into any of your demands?
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Wango
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:40amGHOSTTROLL . . .Troll has faith that he is right. What more does he need?
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:25pmWacko – Except he’s not right and neither are you Marxists. You’re just a stupid nihilist who wants to make everybody equally poor, miserable, and stupid as you are.
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ClaudeRains
Posted on September 19, 2012 at 12:28pmI hope this is not true.
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USA5
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:57amYahoonews is reporting as if it was a done deal.
Chick-fil-A agrees to stop funding antigay groups, Chicago alderman says
close to 13,000 postings, many upset about this. I just posted The Blaze reporting.
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