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‘$100 Million Question’ for Romney: Will He Do What It Takes to Win Over Libertarians in 2012?

Sep. 20, 2012 7:34am
Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson

Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson (AP)

For Mitt Romney to have a better chance of surpassing the still small lead President Barack Obama holds in general election polling, he’ll likely need the support of the growing block of libertarian and libertarian-leaning voters.

But the question remains whether Romney can or will present the arguments necessary to appeal to undecided libertarians and supporters of former Republican candidate Ron Paul, and Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson; the former two-term Republican Governor of New Mexico who left the GOP presidential primary to run as a Libertarian last December.

“It’s the 100 million dollar question” Matt Welch, editor-in-chief of the influential libertarian magazine Reason, told TheBlaze by phone last week when asked how libertarians and Ron Paul supporters will take to Romney and the GOP going into elections this November.”If you ask small ‘l’ and big ‘L’ libertarians I think you’ll get different answers.”

Welch notes that it is hard to pinpoint the direction of the American libertarian vote in 2012 because there are several different factions based on ideological leanings and demographics among those who identify as libertarian or have libertarian-leanings. Welch speculated that “among those who supported Ron Paul, I don’t think you’ll get a majority to vote for Mitt Romney.”

“A lot will sit on their hands, some will vote for Mitt Romney, some will vote for Gary Johnson.”

Libertarians and libertarian-leaning voters have usually coalesced behind Republicans in recent presidential elections, supporting the GOP candidate over the Democratic candidate by over 2o points in five of the last six presidential elections. In 2008, libertarians were largely unsupportive of Obama despite having mixed feelings towards the GOP. Studies by the Cato Institute found that 71 percent of libertarian-leaning Americans voted for John McCain compared with 27 percent for Obama.

Those who identify with libertarian ideas represent a sizable part of the voter base in America. In a 2006 Zogby International poll, 59 percent of respondents said “yes” to whether they would describe themselves as “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” The poll was commissioned by David Boaz and David Kirby of the Cato Institute – a think tank dedicated to advancing principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace — who have conducted several studies together on the libertarian-leaning voter beginning with a 2006 paper where they determined through admittedly strict calculations that 13 to 15 percent of the electorate could be defined as libertarian. In a 2010 paper, Boaz and Kirby noted that Gallup polling on the issue consistently finds about 20 percent of respondents to be libertarian.

So how can Romney win over supporters of Ron Paul’s presidential campaign and other libertarian-leaning voters in 2012?

During an interview at TheBlaze’s New York City newsroom last week, Rep. Paul’s son — Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul — said Romney will need to be more aggressive about fighting for a balanced budget and limited government to win over his father’s supporters and more constitutional conservatives.

“You have to really truly believe in balancing the budget,” Rand Paul said in an interview with TheBlaze senior contributor Mallory Factor. “That means cutting government spending. Slowing down just the rate of growth of government spending probably isn’t going to be enough for a lot of Ron Paul people.”

Matt Kibbe, President and CEO of FreedomWorks; an organization that works to recruit, train and mobilize activists to fight for less government and lower taxes, also told TheBlaze that Romney has the ability to win over voters “at the margin” by showing a commitment to basic principles; like the government should not spend money it doesn’t have, or get involved in all parts of our life. FreedomWorks has played a key role in the growth of the Tea Party movement, and were early supporters of the successful 2010 senatorial campaigns of Rand Paul and Mike Lee, and now GOP nominee for U.S. Senator from Texas Ted Cruz and GOP nominee for U.S. Senator from Indiana Richard Mourdock, all candidates that have at times been described to hail from the more libertarian-wing of the GOP.

Kibbe tells TheBlaze that he has met and worked with thousands of Americans who believe strongly in freedom and the power of the individual, which he would describe as “functional libertarianism,” who will be active in elections this year.

Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief of Reason.com and Reason TV, published a post a few hours before Romney’s speech to the Republican National Convention last month bluntly laying out three ways Romney, Ryan and Republicans can woo over libertarians: “get serious about cutting spending,” “get serious about bringing home the troops,” and “get serious about staying out of personal lives.”

“If Romney wants to carry libertarians, he needs to start talking about cutting the actual year-over-year totals that taxpayers shell out for big-ticket items such as Social Security, Medicare, and defense,” writes Gillespie, before going on to encourage the GOP to refrain from the foreign policy need to be “the world’s policemen.” Gillespie also wrote that “Romney needs to make clear that his limited government philosophy means the feds shouldn’t be intervening in the private lives of individuals unless it’s absolutely central to the survival of the nation.”

The RNC ended up being a series of ups and downs for GOP with libertarian and libertarian-leaning voters.

While the convention featured a video commemorating Ron Paul’s career, a well-received speech from Rand Paul (who had announced his support for Mitt Romney in June after his father acknowledged his delegate total was not enough to win the nomination), and libertarian-leaning Republicans being able to make some strides in shaping the 2012 GOP platform regarding foreign policy and monetary policy, there were some other problems. Many libertarians left the convention with a bad taste in their mouths after rules changes that some Ron Paul supporters protested from the convention floor as being aimed at curbing grassroots influence in the presidential nominating process. Also, little progress was made with the platform in regards to civil liberties and social issues of high-importance to younger libertarians less attracted to the GOP as it is.

David Boaz has his doubts about Ron Paul supporters voting for Romney in November, telling TheBlaze that it’s likely you’ll see the same pattern from Ron Paul people this year as you did in 2008; when only 38 percent of those who voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary voted for John McCain in general.

“The more a voter liked Ron Paul, the less likely he’ll be to vote for Romney,” the Cato Institute scholar commented to TheBlaze this week. “Those who loved Ron Paul, voted for him, and following the way he was treated at the Republican convention will be a tough sell for Romney. Those who liked Paul’s argument for much less government are likely to see Obama as the bigger threat, and that will be a larger number. Those who are more staunchly libertarian or who regard social issues and foreign policy as important are likely to strongly consider voting Libertarian.”

Boaz tells TheBlaze that libertarians would like to see a real economic plan from Romney, or some distance between him and the religious right.

“But he seems pretty determined not to give them either of those. His foray into China-bashing isn’t likely to help him with relatively educated, affluent, and economic-minded voters.”

Former spokesman for the Democratic National Committee from 1983 to 1987, Terry Michael has written commentary extensively for publications like Reason, TheStreet, and The Washington Times from the viewpoint of a self-described “libertarian Democrat,” and tells TheBlaze that Romney and the GOP have not presented an argument respecting both fiscal responsibility and civil liberties to convince him that they will win the libertaran-leaning vote 2012.

“People want more economic choice along with social choice,” Michael tells TheBlaze while discussing the 2012 presidential race and libertarian vote. “That’s where the center of the electorate is going, whoever seizes that will win.”

In 2008, Michael argued “The Libertarian Case for Obama,”and endorsed the Illinois Democratic Senator. Michael has since abandoned Obama for his continued support of the War in Afghanistan and War on Drugs, in addition to having “rammed through a taxpayer and deficit-funded corporate welfare program for drug and insurance companies, in the guise of health care reform.” Michael is supporting Gary Johnson in 2012, but tells TheBlaze he still believes that many in the Democratic base have views likely closer to libertarianism than those of elected Democrats in Washington and their support of the AFL-CIO and “military-industrial-congressional-media complex.”

Additionally challenging for Republicans trying to retain the support of libertarian-leaning voters in the 2012 presidential election is the growing demographic of younger libertarians, alienated by much of the GOP policy over the last twelve years.

Reason’s Matt Welch commented to TheBlaze that he has observed an incredible growth and influence of libertarianism coming from college campuses in recent years, and sees it unlikely that young libertarians that are especially passionate about ending the drug war and supporting gay rights, would support Mitt Romney or the GOP.

“They’ve never been alive at a time when the GOP was serious about lowering the size of government,” Welch said on the lack of appeal Republicans have offered the growing number of young people in the libertarian movement. He notes that Barack Obama, who won over many young libertarians in 2008 with hopes of a less interventionist foreign policy and distance from the Bush administration and Washington Republicans like Sen. John McCain, has equally disappointed this demographic. Welch says Romney may have a chance to win some older libertarians that supported McCain in 2008, or those in the movement possible swayed by the Paul Ryan selection.

“Mitt Romney hasn’t done anything as a candidate to woo over limited government supporters,” says Welch. “The biggest thing he’s done is appointed Paul Ryan–who is not without chinks in his armor though. Signing up on defense spending, TARP, the auto bailout….”

Since the early 1990s, CNN/ORC polls have periodically asked two questions aimed at gauging the adult electorate’s views on libertarian positions on economic and social issues:

Some people think the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses. Others think that government should do more to solve our country’s problems. Which comes closer to your own view?

Some people think the government should promote traditional values in our society. Others think the government should not favor any particular set of values. Which comes closer to your own view?

The June 2011 CNN/ORC poll found that the libertarian viewpoint answer to each of these questions had spiked to record highs. Sixty-three percent of respondents said that the government is “doing too much” when it comes to things that should be left to individuals and business, and 50 percent said the government should not favor any particular set of values in our society. An 11 and 9-point spike respectively following polling in December 2008 shortly after Barack Obama was elected president.

While these upward trends for a demographic that has more often than not strongly supported the GOP nominee for president, should be a good sign for Mitt Romney as he challenges a Democratic president that has struggled to stay above a fifty percent approval rate; widespread libertarian support has remained elusive for Romney.

A CNN/ORC poll released last week found that three percent of likely voters say they would likely vote for Libertarian Party Candidate for President Gary Johnson, 43 percent Romney, 51 percent Obama, 1 percent Green Party candidate Jill Stein, 1 percent none and another 1 percent no opinion. When asking registered voters who they would likely support, the gap between Obama and Romney grows to a 9-point margin, with Obama at 50 percent, Romney at 41 percent, and Johnson growing to 4 percent. While that figure for Johnson may seem insignificant, it would be ten times the percent of the popular vote won by the Libertarian Party in 2008. Polling showing support for the Libertarian Party candidate is also likely unable to identify the strong libertarian influence growing amidst the GOP, not guaranteed to vote Republican. As mentioned earlier, Boaz and Kirby wrote in 2010 that according to 2008-2009 American National Election Studies (ANES) data, only 38 percent of respondents who voted for libertarian-leaning candidate Rep. Ron Paul in the 2008 Republican primary voted for John McCain that following November. Twenty-four percent supported Obama, 33 percent responded “other.“

Following Ron Paul’s retirement announcement earlier this year, Matt Welch said he believes Paul “has been the biggest gateway drug for a lot of people into libertarianism over the last five years,” noting his popularity at college campuses.

“Younger libertarian voters are more likely to sit on their hands or vote Gary Johnson,” Welch told TheBlaze last week. “Older voters for Gary Johnson or the guy who will fire Obama (Romney). ”

Many Romney surrogates and worried Republicans may see some tragic truth in Welch’s frank description of the options for older libertarians; a vote for Johnson, another third party candidate, or no vote at all is another vote not cast for “the guy who will fire Obama.”

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  • pintobeans
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:10am

    Romney has never demonstrated any Libertarian views in his political life so I doubt he will. He is just like Obama, just wants all the power.

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:09am

      I agree and disagree with your statement.

      I agree that he has never said anything of a libertarian nature, of liberty and solid money.

      I disagree, that he won’t. As he will realize that he is going to loose unless he can fool Liberty loving Americans to not vote for Gary Johnson, or write in Ron Paul, he will say anything, Just like he has been pro life, pro choice, pro gun band, pro 2nd amendment, for Obama Care, against Obama Care, Pro Bailouts, against bailouts. So the only reason he has not said anything that sounds libertarian is that he has not needed those votes before. I am sure if he needed Communist votes he would be quoting Stalin if his focus group said it would get him elected. As far as what he will do when he gets elected, aside from shining light on to the truth about Mormonism, is not much…. He will similar to Obama when it comes to Liberty, as he is for the NDAA, and every other big government monster that is there to remove liberty. Yes, he will let us drill for oil, and tone back Obama care and make it more like Romney Care. So we will get a small temporary bump in the economy, but it will be at the cost of true reform, and he will take us closer to the edge of no return, while many Americans go back to watch TV, and sports, while ignoring that they are loosing the Liberty that made America the success it is, and only to leave once children with a European socialist style of government.

      Gary Johnson 2012

      Don’t be foole

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:19am

      Don’t be fooled when Mitt starts to sound like Ron Paul which he will. Just like Clinton said in the 90′s: “The era of big government is over” only to try to do the opposite. Thank God we had a republican congress to stop him..

      Vote on Principle and don’t bow down to these establishment hacks. The establishment GOP hes given us Romney, McCain, Bush Jr, Dole, Bush Sr, and they fought against Ronald Reagan, who was the only good candidate and president.

      Vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson this one time to send a message that we don’t like what the establishment GOP had forced down our throats. If Obama gets elected it means we will get an even stronger grass roots organisation going to give us more small government Congressmen, Senators, and Governors, as we have seen since Obama’s election.

      But if we get rid of Obama, what will we then get with the Democrat Mitt, other than a false sense of security which will lull big government opposition to sleep, while Mitt goes on to do what he has always done, and that is being expedient, and not principled. I dislike Obama as much as anyone of you, but I like this Nation more than I dislike Obama.

      What does Mitt believe anyway?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapnnnOhWzs

      What does he stand for?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related

      Gary Johnson 2012
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x9bkXVccAs

      Gary Johnson in the debates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPrZxHUqsA

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    • KTsayz
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Romney’s an empty suit. There’s no way I’d ever vote for him. And after all the lies and name-calling heaped on me as a Ron Paul supporter – even getting kicked off a so-called ‘conservative’ website because I am a Paul supporter – there’s nothing the rats can do to persuade me to vote for the admitted ‘lesser’ evil. I held my nose and voted lesser evil in 2008 and swore I’d never do that again and now I’ll have a clear conscience when I write in Ron Paul.
      Also, now that the GOP changed the rules to ensure I can NEVER vote for who I want in any Republican campaign, I have no use for them.
      The GOP committed election fraud throughout the primary season through algorithmic vote flipping so there’d be the ‘appearance’ of strong support for Romney but all it did was anger the TEA Party and Liberty Movement. Let the GOP go the way of the Whigs. Good riddance. The neocons have lost and I couldn’t be happier.

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    • Jefferson
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:48pm

      The ones who pushed the button for Romney had their chance. It was the ONLY chance to elect a TRUE and HONEST Paleo-Conservative to the White House and you blew it. You let Clear Channel Radio (Bain Capital) shills like Beck, Levin, Shammity, and Rush influence your thinking, and you made excuses to yourself thinking “well at least he’s not a commie.”
      The blame will be ON YOUR SHOULDERS, not ours. We tried (sometimes impatiently) to warn you that the house was on fire, and that Ron Paul was the ONLY one who showed up with a firetruck, while the others stood there with buckets of water and in some cases gasoline.

      You denied the one who had more support from the military than ALL of the others combined, and INSTEAD voted for the one who had the most support of the BANKERS and other special interests that got us into this mess in the first place. You sat there and yapped and quivered like a bunch of chi hua huas when it came to a pip squeak nation like Iran who can’t even produce enough gasoline for their country, and was NEVER a threat to us.
      You sniveled like little school children about how you weren’t going to support Paul “because of his supporters” and ignored the opportunity of a lifetime instead.

      Make no mistake. The BLAME WILL BE ON YOUR SHOULDERS, because it won’t just be RP supporters not voting for him, it will be independents and disenfranchised Dems as well, because they realize that it’s just another Goldman Sachs vs Godlman Sachs contest.

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:37pm

      @KTSAYZ
      Well said. The Ron Paul revolution continues, and it goes beyond Ron Paul him self. Even if he started to campaign for Romney, I would not vote for him. Every one of you that don’t understand us should read Ron Paul’s book “Revolution” for starters, followed up by some basic history, would come to see as I did in 08′ that Ron Paul is right.

      Right now I will vote for Gary Johnson. If he by some strange reason decides to commit suicide, or falls over dead like Breitbart did. (If he shows to be a threat I would expect that) then I will write in Ron Paul.

      The establishment Republicans have always pushed for a weak kneed democratic lookalikes such as:
      McCain
      Bush Jr
      Dole
      Bush Sr.

      The establishment hated Ronald Reagan, and wanted to keep him down when he ran in the primaries.

      So why do you sheep take orders so easily from Fox news, and the talk radio heads?

      @Jefferson
      Great Post !

      Gary Johnson 2012

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    • Treaty
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:27pm

      Can a Leopard change it’s spots?

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    • bobdog19006
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:50pm

      No, I don’t believe there is anything Romney can do to convince the bruised feelings of the petulant libertarians. From most of the comments I’ve read, they would rather stay home on election day and pout, returning Obama for a second term.

      How they can possibly conclude that another four years of Obama would be a good idea is completely beyond my ability to understand. Say they get their wish and Romney is defeated. They’ll spend the next four years telling us how they showed us what’s what, as they watch this country go down the toilet? The word “stupid” is simply inadequate in this case.

      To paraphrase the ignoble bard, Samuel Jackson, “Wake the **** up, libertarians.”

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:12pm

      @TREATY:

      Can a leopard change its spots?

      I dunno. Ask ol’ Willard McBain. Seems he’s done a LOT of that.

      Why is it that Republicans cannot put forth an actual SERIOUS candidate? EVER?!

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    • black9897
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:33pm

      Sure Mitt. Don’t support NDAA like you do, don’t support the FED like you do (end it). Drastically cut back government and privatize many government programs. Let us have a true free market and defend liberty!

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    • black9897
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:42pm

      @BOBDOG19006

      We are awake, thus why we won’t compromise. It won’t make a difference to keep up the same stupid cycle of “gotta get “him” out.” No one is pouting. We are doing the right thing by not casting a vote for people that think its ok to detain someone without charge or trial (NDAA) and will do nothing to stop the FED which is causing the dollar to become worthless and the economy to fall apart.

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    • KURT1010
      Posted on September 21, 2012 at 4:11pm

      Who Cares ? The are like the black, Minority …………..hardly any one ….I am an idependant…

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:59am

    can anyone explain how this article is below the articles from yesterday on the main page?

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    • justangry
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:31am

      It’s not about homosexuality.

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    • FatFreedom
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:29pm

      Great Question Soybomb315

      I think that @JustAngry makes a good point as well :)

      I think the main reason though is that when ever T he bl AZ post an article about RP or the Freedom Movement, ever since last year when RP was #1, they make sure that the article is short lived so people won’t notice, while they can save face. Those of us that pay attention has seen that the RP articles, don’t last, nor does the articles that receive an overwhelming negative comments by Freedom Loving Constitutionalists as most of the RP supporters are. This website is has a purpose to push their agenda, which is to elect the Democratic Mormon Mitt. While trying to silence, arguments that show how a vote for Mitt is wasted vote. They used to leave the articles longer, and would just block peoples posts like mine, or hold them for 24hrs, until the story was moved down the page. This is what you have to do, when you are arguing against truth, facts and history..

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    • resme
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:06pm

      “It’s not about homosexuality.”

      It’s not about bombing brown children, either.

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  • tog2476
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:52am

    If they want Ron Paul supporter’s votes how about we see a little compromise on our end and put him in as Treasury Secretary and give Rand Paul a position in Romney’s administration. You want compromise, well so do we.

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    • justangry
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:29am

      We need Rand in the Senate, and treasury secretary can’t fix the mess the fed is creating.

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    • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:45am

      @JUSTANGRY
      I agree with both of you. Leave Rand in the Senate, because there is a chance Ky wouldn’t elect another Constitutional Conservative to the Senate and put Dr. Paul as Secretary of the Treasury. We need to audit the Fed.

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    • FatFreedom
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:36pm

      @ Anonymous T. Irrelevant

      I like what you are saying, but for me he would have to do allot more than that. Even if he said he would do that, I would not believe it as it goes against his core principle of being expedient. We can at best expect a small bump in the economy while he drives this nation further into the mire of tyranny and economic collapse and towards the NWO, through a one world currency. Both him and Obama will take us there though different roads. I think Obama it will be slower as the grass movement against him is only getting stronger, and Mitt will lull the T-party back to sleep, thinking that we are out of the woods. Much like Bush did in 2000, while acting like the socialist, growing government more than Clinton and Carter combined, on par with President Johnson of the 60′s.

      So help save this nation by casting your vote on the principle of the Constitution by voting for Gary Johnson.

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    • resme
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:07pm

      “If they want Ron Paul supporter‘s votes how about we see a little compromise on our end and put him in as Treasury Secretary and give Rand Paul a position in Romney’s administration.”

      Ugh, Just ugh. Treasury secretary is a “empty” chair unless you end the federal reserve.

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  • no1hd
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:52am

    Y’all go ahead and vote against Romney..Paul, Johnson and all your other buds lost, you know – got less support/votes than the other guys..
    Your action will only lessen your value and the lib party will be a thing of the past before it is ever really gets started..

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:02am

      by nominating Romney, the republic is already lost

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    • blounttruth
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:48am

      Heh, I think you have drank the main stream media kool aid. The Libertarians for the most part did not support Paul, it was a large section of life long Republicans such as myself that was told at convention that I do not have a voice in my nation. So if we are so easily shunned a threat of causing harm to the liberty movement is hilarious and mute at this point as the GOP and RNC have told us in no uncertain terms that we were not welcome, our ideas were not up for consideration, and as one life long Republicans to what I assume is another the Libertarian muse was only to have you “not” look at Paul, but what the GOP has done has severed the party, and now it is time to pay the piper. Everyone that cries about the Paul vote need not, it was the GOP that severed their own head, not the mass army of supporters Paul could have brought on board. So when you feel the need to point fingers, run to the closest mirror and gander inside, there and only there will the at fault individuals be found.

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  • LibsFIB
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:35am

    I registered myself as Libertarian after obama hijacked the democratic Party.
    Some Obamaite came to my door two days ago pandering for my vote.
    Luckily I was at work or there may have been a murder.
    My wife assured them that there was no chance of this household voting for barack Hussein obama!

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  • Crickets
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:18am

    I don’t know about you all but this vote for me is not against Rmoney.It’s against the talk radio mafia the conservative punditry and FOX News.We have a local guy here in Tallahassee who claims to be a Paul supporter but just say’s some of the dumbest shizz,it’s obvious he’s a phony.He is a new co-host to the show and the host is a former pastor.Will Dance aka the Pirate Hunter.But this morning took the cake.He stated over the air that if Obama is re-elected he will go around town to the Paul supporters and give them a smackdown.Here is the audio,idiocy begins at 15:26 violent rhetoric begins at 19:55 http://www.wflafm.com/player/?station=WFLA-FM&program_name=podcast&program_id=tmsdaily.xml&mid=22454895

    I want a public apology from Mark Levin,Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.For misrepresenting our views with no chance of unedited rebuttal from cats like Tom Woods and Ron himself.For labeling me an anti-semite,racist and possibly violent.For denying us our momentum after Iowa and New Hampshire.The constant “He’s unelectable” “He’s crazy”"You Paultards are cultists”.

    I demand they,the talk radio mafia, make reparations to every Ron Paul delegate who went to Tampa and to reimburse the taxpayer for every dime spent on it.

    I demand a public debate by 2 of the above mafia host’s against Tom Woods and say…Lawrence Vance or even Ron Paul himself with Judge Napolitano as mod.Strictly on foreign policy.
    More to come…

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    • Crickets
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:23am

      I demand they acknowledge The rEVOLution as the founders of the TEA Party and own up to co-opting them to keep them in the GOP fold and away from us.I want Glenn Beck specifically to say he was wrong when he demonized the word revolution and made it so anybody who used the word must be violent and advocating violent overthrow.Then he must point out that we emphasized the word LOVE for a reason.
      Call an emergency rules committee meeting to immediately repeal all anti-grassroots laws passed at the 2012 RNC.
      Floor nomination returned back to 5 states from 8.All states’ delegates are to be officially recognized as being unbound at the RNC. I don’t want rules that are subject to vague interpretation.

      These are my beefs and only when they are satisfied will I vote for Rmoney.In fact they better be done by October 20th.Else Johnson it is.I know that it will never happen though.

      One of the things they like to scare us with is Supreme Court appointments.Yeah,how did Roberts work out for us,Kennedy was a Republican appointment too….

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    • Go-rin-no-sho
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:59am

      Hear feckin’ hear.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:03am

      here here brother

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:03pm

      @Crickets
      Great post. I stopped listening to the likes of Rush and Shawn hears ago as theyGAry are mere mouthpieces of the RNC. They were defending Bush while he acted like a Socialist.

      I am convincegd that Mark Levin has someGary thing personally to loose with a transparent government. I am sure it has to do with his legal work in the 80′s. The way he acted against Ron Paul, cannot be explained any other way. For the rest of them, they were told not to mention Ron Paul’s name if they wanted to keep their job. Occasionally I will listen to Savage, but not for political commentary.

      Keep spreading the word about talk radio and Fox, and help wake up the others.

      Gary Johnson 2012

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  • Exiled
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:44am

    They forgot one. It’s not a choice between the Federal Government doing it or Private Business doing it. There is also state and county governments. I am willing to hand over a lot more power to my state or county than I am to the federal government. At the local level, if things start going wrong, my money’s not 2,000 miles away lost in a bureaucratic nightmare.

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    • pinostabaum
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 5:50pm

      indeed. the world would be a better place if all the tax dollars i pay to the fed went to my city/county instead, and all my money going to my city/county went to the feds instead. you could bet people would pay attention to local politics then, which is good since that is where you have the biggest voice.

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  • Dudemau
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:33am

    Romney is simply the lesser of 2 evils, period. If he is serious he’ll announce that he will appoint Ron Paul as chairman of the FED or something as profound. Don’t hold your breath. It’s funny to read the conservatives posts knocking libertarians when it’s the libertarian party platform that is nearest the constitution. Conservatives are the other side of the liberal coin, they still want to legislate your personal lives.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:55am

      At this point, Romney cannot win my vote. Even if he adopts 100% libertarian platform, I do not trust flip flopping Mitt to follow through with any of his campaign rhetoric. His actions speak loader than words, and his actions tell me he is a liberal and will not stand up to the constitution. Sorry, Gary Johnson has my vote.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:33am

      Years ago Glenn had a piece on taking a survey whether you are conservative or libertarian. I was 80% conservative and 20% libertarian. Guess one could say (I hate to say this word, but it is just politics) I am lukewarm after taking this survey. After that wording about the 47% that Mitt Roomey said to a room full of “lukewarm-conservatives/republicans” I will say to “our-side”….Mitt is being accused of “poor-wording” to explain “his-point”……well, look at it this way, Mitt Romey is “our”….wait for it…..a CLEANED-UP….Blago. No, no, no…Mitt is “not-a-crook”, Mitt says “what-he-means” with a NON “PC” approach. I understand Mitt’s language because “that is how businessmen” speak to an audience….Mitt, for all tense & purpose IS NOT A SILVER-TONGUE politician “of-sorts”. I pray Mitt stays on message & continues to be “true to himself”. If Mitt looses the election….it wasn’t “his alone message”……..the Republic “has changed”.!!!

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:22am

    As for me I see BO as a greater threat to the constitution than Romney,sure there’s things I don’t like about Romney but Obama is a Marxist and a fraud and I know his intentions for America are bad.
    Every day he’s in office is an affront to our republic and I believe he will be defeated,if not we won’t have to worry about the R’s or D’s or libertarian party because Barry would have ‘fundamentally transformed America’ with another four more years of constitutional destruction.

    The most destruction has been done through regulations,he simply did an end around on congress and made them irrelevant.If Obama care is allowed to stand that alone will bankrupt us,I know Romney said he would let parts of the law survive,like I said there’s things about Romney I don’t like but in the big picture Barry’s just gotta go because bad intentions gives bad results.

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    • justangry
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:47am

      It’s Romney’s foreign policy that makes me think he’s actually not the lesser of two evils. We both recognize there’s not much difference between the two statists, but those Bush era Neocons advising him on national security have got to be the most evil men on the planet. It’s pick your poison really. Collapse through social justice or collapse from borrowing Chinese money to murder people that haven’t done anything to us.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:51am

      The republican party has divided because they abandoned their core principles and are not listening to their supporters ..They are expecting us to accept this and vote for them anyway,All three of my children registered independent,but they are conservatives,I changed to independent,we are trying to send a message to the Republicans,,they still are not listening..If Obama is re-elected Its because of them,not the voters who feel betrayed.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:57am

      @ Justangry ..I agree with you..The Republicans and Democrats have both sold their souls to the Industrial war machine and the global bankers.

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  • bikerdogred1
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:15am

    Does a libertarian want to vote for communist or a capitalist that is some choice,I’ll take the capitalist every time.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:35am

      George Soros is a capitalist. You would vote for him? What about Warren Buffet? A capitalist. How about Ted Turner? All capitalists.

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    • Eastinfection
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:00am

      @ACID…
      Calling Soros a capitalists is a bit of a stretch…
      He’s a totalitarian Machiavellian at best.
      He’s playing “King of the Hill” on a global scale…. manipulating Capitalism to suit his agenda.
      He’s not just an entrepreneur looking for a return on his investment….
      ….. He’s trying to crush the world and be the last one standing.
      He pursues power….. making bank is just a means to an end.

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:41am

      Where is a capitalist? There are no modern capitalists. What we have are Mercantilists.

      Mercantilism is when both business and government actively collude with each other for mutual benefit. Business mantains a “private” identity so as to keep the “capitalist” facade intact, but in fact engages in promoting legislation that favors a few over and above free market principles. In turn, they pump money into the coffers of their legislative champions.

      Lets go back to Obama’s “You didn’t build that” speech. Notice his use of the phrase “American System”, that was no mistake. The “American System” was first enunciated by Henry Clay (Whig) – 170 years ago, and was the matured idealogy of Alexander Hamilton (Federalist). This political heresy has led to the current debacle in which the only real choice is who drives the machine: the Government (Obama) or the Favored Business Sector (Romney). We haven’t had a truly, capitalistic enabling President since Coolidge.

      No Presidential candidate who gets up in front of you and proclaims their plan for government will create jobs, is a capitalist – they are mercantilists. They are subscribers to the “American System” from one side of the equasion or the other. They both see the government as the only avenue of prosperity, whether its direct benefit or indirect.

      A vote for either, in the current race, is a vote for Government at the highest level. The only difference is the ‘agent’ of redistribution.

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    • acidovorax
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:24pm

      EAST, it’s no stretch at all. He’s a capitalist. There is no disconnect between being a capitalist and being against free markets; it’s common, sadly. Numerous capitalists desire crony capitalist or state capitalist systems, where they derive protection from market forces and privileges due to collusion with government officials. It’s been said that some of the biggest opponents of capitalism are capitalists themselves.

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    • resme
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:09pm

      “Does a libertarian want to vote for communist or a capitalist”

      It’s between a Global Fascist and a Global fascist.

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    • All Pro
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 4:26pm

      The choice is between a communist and a fascist. Stalin Vs Hitler. Chavez Vs Mussolini. Heads they win and tails you lose.
      Gary Johnson 2012.

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    • cykonas
      Posted on September 22, 2012 at 1:19pm

      @STELEX
      Think about it. I’m on your side but I have to be realistic.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Realistic? Do you think those that declared our independence from England were realistic? Farmers and merchants who were going to take on the strongest military force on the planet; doesn’t sound very realistic to me.

      Here’s an admonition from one of our Founders that you may care to ponder. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety (Benjamin Franklin).

      Question: just how much more liberty are you willing to give up for safety/realism? Personally I’ve already lost to much of my liberty. I will not cede one iota more of it without vigorous protest. Peace.

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  • Choctaw25
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:10am

    I’m going to start a new website Obama voters welcome the Gary Johnson voters into the leftist liberal tent.
    Because they are so **** ugly stupid that they can’t comprhend that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Barry.
    You ********, aka libertians, what ever, you are dumber than a mud fence.
    But, they are ALL going to moan and groan that I am the one that is crazy. BUT I’M NOT VOTING FOR BARRY, THEY ARE.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:19am

      Yawn. Haven’t seen that one before.

      You are voting for the lesser of two evils, that’s all. If you were put into a room with a man with a gun and two kids and the man says which one shall I shoot, what do you do? Hopefully you’d say neither. Methinks, many of you would tell him to shoot the one on the left and then pat yourselves on the back as having saved the one on the right.

      You can hate us all you want there chief, WE didn’t vote for NDAA, SOPA/PIPA, FISA, Patriot Act, Permanency of Patriot ACT, TARP, Stimulus I, Stimulus II, Dodd-Frank, Auto Bailouts, Medicare Expansion, on and on and on. YOU crapped on the Constitution and now you’re trying to shift the blame.

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    • Dudemau
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:36am

      Amen to that. “The moral transgression speaks loudest is accusation.”

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    • Stelex
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:43am

      Rothbardian, I get it. I’m just left of libertarian. The only candidate that would impress me would repeal the patriot act, NDAA, disband the TSA and completely reform Taxes and get rid of the IRS. Having said that. Step one……..Get Obama Out. Your not going to get the country to go libertarian all in one step. The window is way to the left right now, lets at least get it moving to the right and keep working at it. I admit voting for Romney is at the moment the lesser of two evils…….but Johnson aint getting elected and we are finished if Obama does. Think about it. I’m on your side but I have to be realistic.

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:28am

      And what happens whe Romney renegs on everything he says, which isn’t much. He’s runnin on “I’m not Obama!” but who is he? He’s a liberal and he won’t change anything. Well still be spending more than we take in. We will still have more war. We will still have government run healthcare. Well still have the federal reserve. And well still have the patriot act, NDAA et all. Nothing will change but you’ll think your winning just because he has an R next to his name. But instead of blaming socialism, capitalism and free markets will be blamed.

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    • Stelex
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:42am

      If you are correct, and you may be, then it doesn’t matter because TSWHTF. Then all bets are off. Society as we know it is going to collapse. Its a given if Obama gets in, its a maybe if Romney gets in. Or maybe Romney is just a slower demise for us, but I could use a little more time to prepare.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:46am

      “that they can’t comprhend that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Barry.”
      ======================

      Mathematically speaking, this is impossible….

      For example……..3 people show up to vote on election day…..1 votes for Obama…..1 votes for Romney….and 1 votes for Gary Johnson….

      If the guy who voted for Gary Johnson just simply stayed at home that day and didn’t vote at all, then you still wind up with 1 vote for Obama and 1 vote for Romney.

      Do the math!

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:52am

      I will give you about as much logic as your comment deserves.

      You are a tool.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:23am

      @CHOCTAW you are overlooking the conduct of the Republican party and shifting blame to the voters. If the Republicans want these votes they need to earn them back. I am having trouble finding even one honest person among them in either party…Wish Jessie Ventura was running in 2012.

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    • nooni
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:08pm

      “If you don’t vote for Romney, that’s a vote for Obama”
      Ok, soooooo….
      I won’t vote for Obama, so that’s a vote for Romney!
      see how I fixed it?

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    • SquareHead
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:52pm

      You Sir, are a tool

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHwXa6aQIs&list=PL9E61975B2A6C703A&index=1&feature=plpp_video

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    • Norm D. Plume
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 3:16pm

      @Nooni:

      That is a brilliant formulation. I will steal this, and use it henceforth. Thank you. :-)

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  • HOOT_OWL
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:08am

    From what I have read from The RP /Gary Johnson supporters that have posted
    comments here in the past ,Is there interested in being courted. They have taken
    their ball and went home, they have this this mentality that neither candidate is worthy
    of their vote. Sometimes they come across as liberal trolls though, I just hope on election
    day the true libertarians among them realizes..

    To win the war on this progressiveness ..Sometimes you have to loose a battle.
    They need to understand that if Obama wins. -They lost the war.

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    • HOOT_OWL
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:14am

      Oops ..
      ‘NOT’.. interested in being courted

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    • poorrichard09
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:19am

      One of the core tenets of Libertarians is the desire for as little gov’t interference as possible in the life of a citizen. 0bama has proven he’s an authoritarian, top-down, all powerful big gov’t guy. So where’s the problem?

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:21am

      We’ve been losing battles. W first term, W second term, Republican majorities in the HoR, now flipping Tea Party Freshmen, McCain…Keep your empty promises.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:42am

      The principles of Four More Years
      And they will vote with that smug look and superior attitude of hubris

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    • American Soldier (Separated)
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:47am

      The problem is Romney is also a liberal who won’t fix anything. He will continue the same or similar policies but instead of communism and Marxism to blame, capitalism and free markets will be blamed. We got Obama because of bush’s failure as a conservative, what will we get after Romney proves to be significantly more liberal than bush?!

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    • HOOT_OWL
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:07am

      Look I’m not happy with the choices that are before us,
      but this mentality of going out in a blaze of glory is not
      a strategy ,its suicide. If we don’t see the present
      Danger, of what we currently have in office ,opposed to
      what the alternative we could have . Then we deserve
      the worst for comparing apples to oranges.

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    • KidCharlemagne
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:54am

      “They have taken their ball and went home,”
      ===============

      There’s a good reason for that:

      Vote-Rigging at the Republican National Convention

      After seeing this, then I know absolutely, positively that I will NEVER cast a ballot for someone who rigs votes.

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    • apbt55
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:59am

      There is not tangible difference between obama and romney, the only difference is he is trying to satisfy the conservative base, while obama is trying to appease the progressive left. In deed and action in office they are both the same. So don’t try and feed us your government enslavement mentality that there can only be 2 candidates and two parties you brain washed zombie sheep. wake up, Don’t blame us for having principles and sticking to them. You sell outs deserve the wolf in sheeps clothing. too bad the rest of us will be forced to live with your apathetic apprehension

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:50pm

      Obama is just a battle not a war

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:05am

    You can’t fix stupid. The ronpaulbots are morons and there is no helping them.
    They would rather have the communist re-elected than a semi conservative republican – who by the way is a devoted capitalist – not a re distributor. Yes he also believes in the constitution.
    He may not be their saint of liberty – Paul but he sure as h-ll beats the alternative.
    If they do not want to vote let them sit in their mom’s basement an suck their thumb!

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:23am

      LOL, believes in the Constitution? Yeah, you must be a libertarian because you are on drugs. Explain how Romney Care, Gun Control, Corporate Welfare, NDAA/Patriot Act/FISA, et al are Constitutional. I’d like to hear that.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:25am

      He believes in the constitution? NDAA, RomneyCare, FISA/Patriot Act, Corporate Welfare, Gun Control, etc, are constitutional? Really? How so?

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:45am

      Ha! Im the moron and you are the one that believes Romney follows the Constitution.

      Where’s the money at? -per Romney-

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:48am

      Btw,
      Capitalism (which we havent had in years) cannot co-exist with Keynesianism.

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  • myptofvu
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:03am

    Yes he can gain the support he lost form both the Tea Party and Ron Paulers. All he needs to do is get the Republicans to undo their despicable rule change from the Convention and pledge that if elected he will appoint Ron Paul as Sec. Treas.

    During the Convention they added Rule 12 which allows them to change rules between conventions. Fine, it is now between conventions go back and undo the damage you created their or lose the election, your choice.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:11am

      MYPTOFVU, That is something that I have been saying all along. Okay, I’ve made some jokes about it, but I’ve never had any disdain, and would really like to see Ron Paul as Secretary of the Treasury. With that I feel that we will see some excellent future changes.

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    • Eastinfection
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:53am

      Roger that!

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    • UnreconstructedLibertarian
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:11am

      The RNC did damage they will absolutely loathe in November – even if they win.

      My take on the whole convention was that of adopting the best Libertarian ideas into the platform, keeping their own social conservative and interventionists planks – then beating the Libertarians AND Tea Party over the head until dead on Day One, via the Rules. The object is to silence the movements that have kept them honest, then co-opt their names without a dissenting voice.

      Are you kidding me? This is classic. They won’t allow Ron Paul to speak, but put together a video that clips the comments reinforcing their libertarian-esque planks. The idea here is to silence any opposition to their main agenda of more government ingratiation, then tell the “little people” that they are speaking for us. Boehner said it best, “Nobody actually follows those platforms”.

      This is the last ride for me and the GOP. They’ve resorted to the same dirty tricks as the DNC in maintianing control and keeping the train on the same track to the edge of oblivion (albeit at different speeds). I’m voting for the Platform, not Romney – and I want to be REAL clear on that. I’m only hoping the train doesn’t go off the cliff by 2014 – at which point the Republicans had better lived up to that platform in no small part.

      My advice to Libertarians would be to stand on our planks in the platform – very loudly – and keep the R’s honest. Preparing the whole time for a full-on rebellion in 2014.

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    • resme
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:11pm

      You have to end the fed to make the tres sec matter.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:57am

    I certainly hope that Romney does everything that he can do to bring the Libertarians into what i see as a big tent. I have read the Libertarian Platform and there is definitely a lot there that I do like. There are a couple of items that strike me as being better off in a rendition of George Carlin’s Hippie Dippy Weatherman. I do like the Republican Platform as well, and even though I originally registered as an Independent back in ’71, I have always voted Republican. Yeah, I did register as a Republican a few years later. Anyway, back to the Republican Platform, and like I said, I do like it. But, we have to many RINOs who treat that platform about as well as most Democrats treat the Constitution. Too many of these RINOs also treat the Constitution in a like manner.
    Right now, the way I see things, the Libertarians just do not carry the numbers to really get anywhere. Although, I have said in the past that I would have voted for Ron Paul, or even Gary Johnson, but only if they had won the Republican Primary. Have always stated that my main goal was to get 0bama out of the White House. Yes, I as well as many others here I have stated that I am wary of Romney, but as Beck says, he’s not a commie. I ask of the Libertarians here to really consider voting Romney this year for the very reason that H. Ross Perot brought us two terms for Clinton. Get 0bama out of office first, then continue to build your party. That I can respect, we do have a common ground.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:02am

      These people, some Libertarians, most Solid DEMOCRATS, don’t want to work with someone who doesn’t espouse 110% of their views. You can easily tell the difference between Roth and Indy & Tofu(Solid DEMOCRATS in Gary Johnson clothing)

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:30am

      RINGWORM . . . “what i see as a big tent”

      What did I see recently about Romney and his tent . . . something. some fuzzy kind of a secret video . . . he said something strange . . what was it . . . oh, right, that half of Americans consider themselves victims and will never take responsibility for their own lives.

      You know what? You don’t need that big of a tent after all. I don’t think many people are going to come to your party. But there’s good news! That means more cocktail weenies for you and ProngSqueezer (he likes the little ones).

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  • PorkPIG
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:55am

    In this libertarian eyes – support of the NDAA , support of the federal reserve , support of the ongoing war machine , are all the biggest factors in why I will not vote republicrat . The way this country is being run/transformed is a joke. It dishonors My grandfather who fought the Japs in the Philippines .

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    • bioengineer
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:13am

      Amen. And don’t forget SOPA, all the debt, bailouts etc that the GOP controlled house voted for alongside the democrats. If Romney wins and turns out to be what we all suspect he is, my days of supporting the GOP will be officially over.

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:55am

    You want me to support the “Grandfather of Obamacare”….. LMAO

    http://news.yahoo.com/romney-says-accepts-being-linked-obamacare-032136036–election.html

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  • justangry
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:53am

    Breitbart.com put out an article yesterday trying to herd us back to the gop. I don’t think it’s going to happen and the over analysis of this piece is funny. How would Romney win over Ron Paul supporters? Govern within the confines of the Constitution. It’s that simple.

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  • WakingSheep
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:52am

    It’s easy…….

    Don’t fraud the election and the convention!

    Another thing GOP; quit bitchi*g about the current economic issues while continuing to ignore the root cause. The FED

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  • 13th Imam
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:52am

    Rephrase the question.
    Are Libertarians stupid enough not to recognize what Barry and the DEMOCRAT Party are doing to the economic destruction of our country? They have to work , AT THIS TIME, with one party or the other, and only one party is willing even to work with or even listen to their concerns. And it isn’t the SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT PARTY.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:04am

      People will always say “vote this time and fix it later” – that has been the motto for decades, but where are the results? The time to stand is always now. Now Now Now. If not now, then it will be never.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:35am

      You 1%ers will fall alone.

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    • Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:30am

      Someone the other day posted “you can never be wrong doing the right thing”. I thought that was great. I’m going to vote for Virgil Goode. I’d challenge anyone to look at his platform and tell me that he’s “nuts” or a “democrat” or any of that rhetoric. When it is melting down around you, cling to constants. As for me I will cling to God and the constitution. The rest of this mess is temporary insanity.

      I never thought I’d see 94% of my country so full of disdain for the other 6% who want a constitutional republic. That is how far we’ve fallen.

      You can make the case about economics, but Romney has offered no plan of substance…only platitudes. The only thing we can look at concrete is the Ryan plan. It balances the budget in 28 years and adds 18Tr in debt over that amount of time. This also didn’t include anything from the “replace” part of obamacare now RomneyCare II.

      There is no sane or logical argument economically or on principle to vote for either Owebama or Romney. Both plans are disasters. Both trample upon the constitution. And yes, I’d rather die on principle than live as a serf on compromise. For 200+ years Americans did that. I had great grandfathers who fought in the revolution. One fought at Lexington another at Valley Forge. They fought on principle and grievances that pale to what we endure today. When they grabbed that rifle that evening and looked at the British they weren’t expecting me to sell them out later.

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  • CaveDweller
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:50am

    It depends on the state.

    Living, as I do, in Maryland, means that I can afford to be a principled voter. Nobody but a socialist can win here, no matter what Romney, Paul, Johnson, or even 0bama do. With that knowledge, I can freely vote libertarian and make a statement, without worrying whether my choice tips the balance in favor of the socialist. He’s already won.

    Voters in swing states have to take a more practical view. A vote for Romney is a vote for competence, Americanism, life, responsibility, adulthood … these things might (and should) outweigh political beliefs.

    Of course theres an increasingly real chance that the whole thing is rigged. Then there’s not much point in discussing the question at all. Time for my morning coffee.

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    • Will4Freedom
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:55am

      Same here. New Jersey, the home of Newark, Trenton, Camden, and many more impoverished Democrat strongholds, will vote for Obama. I could pull the “R” lever 100 times and it wouldn’t make a difference. So I will vote my convictions.

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  • Stab_friendly
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:47am

    What to take from this article is that Obama is going to get reelected…even if you add the libertarian vote, Romney is still outside the margin of victory….or margin of loss in this case…

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:46am

    No, the republican estabishement hates our guts and cheated the ron paul campaign at every step during the primary…Everyone else sat by and let it happen. And the romney campaign made it pretty clear what he thinks about libertarians at the convention.

    Why would we vote for him?

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:00am

      maybe if there candidate loses the Neo Conservative movement will die.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:50am

      Two DEMOCRATS

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:08am

      Hi Soy,
      Simple Solution,
      Vote Romney / Ryan in Nov. to Remove Obama.
      Then Start in 2013 to Elect a Conservative, TEA Party,
      Libertarian Person in 2016 even if it Doesn’t Happen
      it will Push Mitt in the Right Direction.
      The Problem as I see it is The GOP is mostly
      Conservative I would guess 75 % .Being lead by
      Progressive/Moderate/Liberal/Elitist Washington DC
      Establishment /RINO’s that make up less than 25 %
      of People who now call themselves Republican.
      That’s What needs to END an will Either happen by
      The Conservatives Taking back Control of the GOP or
      Splitting an Forming a 3rd Party.
      One That Welcomes the TEA Party,Ron Paul Supporters,
      Libertarian,Constutitionalist, We can an Will fight on the fringes.
      But We Agree on the BIG Issues.
      Lower Taxes , Smaller Government , More Individual Freedoms.
      We only have 40 some days to get rid of Obama !
      (not enough time for a 3rd Party)
      but when we get that done we have 4 years to Transform Romney
      or Take Him OUT in 2016 with a Unified Constutitional Conservative
      Party call it whatever you Like. But TEA allready has name recognition.
      For Myself I’m a TEA Party Member Who will be Used one last time
      by the GOP to Save the Republic but never AGAIN.
      Mitt has 100 days to get rid of ObamaCare.
      Get rid of ALL CZAR‘s an Recind ALL of Obama’s E.O.’s
      If he can‘t or won’t do that much.
      It’s 3rd Party ALL the Way for Me Starting early in 2013.
      No more being lead by Progressives.

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    • justangry
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:28am

      @Flipper, We voted in a whole lot of Tea Party candidates in 2010. They betrayed us upon arrival. You’re essentially arguing the same thing they are in Washington… Let’s just kick the can down the road a little more. The only folks that can “transform” Romney in office are his globalist masters, and there will be no getting rid of him in 2016 if he fails to govern conservatively.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:33am

      @Flip
      I will not “start in 2013″ because i already started in 2007. Nothing will change until there are enough of us who have started. Delaying this thing another election cycle will not help. Why would i go backwards?

      This primary/convention was proof that nothing will change until the republican party sees how many votes they lost and how many votes they could have had. If this primary/convention did not wake them up – perhaps losing to Obama will. Or maybe they will never wake up. EIther way, time is of the essence. We cannot afford to delay this 8 years with a Romney administration (you KNOW in your heart that is what would happen)

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    • flipper1073
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:03am

      @ SOY & JUST
      Not for Me
      If Mitt Romney is NOT as Conservative
      as Ann Coulter say’s He is from almost
      DAY 1 I’m on the 3rd Party Bandwagon.
      An will my Damnest to Defeat him in 2016
      Electing more TEA Party people in 2014 also.
      My Fight is with the Establishment GOP.
      an their treatment of TEA an Ron.
      But my focus for the next 40+ Days is
      Getting RID of Obama.

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:56am

      I am just looking for a Sensible Party or a Responsible Party.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:45am

    Romney has to get his message to them somehow; otherwise Obama may just pull off a win.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:50am

      This article is offensive to me. Romney is a progressive and everyone knows it. The republican party did everything possible to alienate the libertarian wing during the primary and the convention. Now you guys are fretting about losing our vote???

      Hypocrisy

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    • WakingSheep
      Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:24am

      You actually still believe the process is legit?

      Obama or Romney are just want the banksters want.

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  • toiletclogga
    Posted on September 20, 2012 at 7:41am

    Take a conservative platform, and the let the chips fall where they may. Win over Republicans with solid Conservatism! If Libertarians don’t like it; too bad!

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