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Rand Paul Says Romney Must Do More to Win Ron Paul Supporters

Sep. 20, 2012 9:15am Christopher Santarelli

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, son of former presidential candidate Ron Paul, says Mitt Romney will need to be more aggressive about fighting for a balanced budget and limited government to win over his father’s supporters.

“You have to really truly believe in balancing the budget,” Rand Paul said in an exclusive interview with TheBlaze. “That means cutting government spending. Slowing down just the rate of growth of government spending probably isn’t going to be enough for a lot of Ron Paul people.”

With the retirement of the senator’s father and libertarian icon, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, at the end of this year, many expect Sen. Paul to play a key role in integrating the message of the GOP’s libertarian-wing into the national party platform for years to come.

In a discussion with TheBlaze Senior Contributor Mallory Factor last week, Sen. Paul said that the Romney campaign can still win over undecided voters who had supported his father’s campaign by fighting for balancing the budget and limited government as outlined in the Constitution.

Sen. Paul announced his support for Mitt Romney in June shortly after his father acknowledged in an email to supporters that his delegate total was “not enough to win the nomination.”

The Kentucky senator delivered a key speech at the Republican National Convention last month where he emphasized the American dream and the American people’s personal ingenuity. Outside of the well-received words, his high-profile presence at the convention was important for the national party hoping to win over Republicans and right-leaning independents who supported Ron Paul, a candidate who has still not endorsed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. A further rift between the GOP and Ron Paul followers came earlier in the convention when delegates walked off the floor in protest after rules were passed that they saw aimed at curbing the power of grassroots supporters.

In a recent visit to TheBlaze office in New York, Sen. Paul said that although he wants to see Mitt Romney beat President Barack Obama this November, if Republicans do win the White House and a majority in the Senate, he is not a guarantee to vote down the party line if they do not present ideas to realistically address the problems our nation faces. The senator said specifically that he is”not a guarantee to vote for a Republican budget either, unless it balances in a finite period of time.”

The Pauls’ libertarian brand of conservatism has attracted attention for its ability to reach out to voters that the Republican Party has often had difficulty connecting to–like younger Americans and anti-war advocates. Sen. Paul told Mallory Factor that he believes the GOP could make gains in Democratic strongholds in the Northeast or West Coast by appealing to libertarian-minded voters with less aggressive positions on foreign policy and more tolerant views on issues relating to marijuana sentencing.

Having recently returned to Congress after summer recess, Sen. Paul also explained why Republicans in Washington have not been able to repeal Obamacare, and what they will do moving forward on this issue and addressing executive overreach on foreign policy.

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mike551
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:20am
This jackass will throw us all under the bus to try and keep his name in the national discussion. I agree with some of his politics but damn, its time to get the hell out of the way and allow us to rescue this country! IMPEACH THE MUSLIM OBAMA NOW!!! WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA!!!.
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- Dcjones
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:51am
  The Republicans and Democrats can play with there sock puppets all they want, people are starting to wake up and grow up and realize the puppet show is just that its a show. It doesn’t really matter…There is no room for a non-fascist in either party.
  
  Systems are always perfectly designed for the results they obtain. Despite a carefully kept delusion to the contrary, the individuals in the various political seats make no real difference.
  
  We once had a system that achieved the results it was designed for. We had sound money and apportioned tax system and therefore natural limits on government.
  
  Idiots, criminals and demagogues have monkey hammered it beyond any semblance of what it once was over the last hundred years. The system is co-opted. The general public doesn’t even understand the reason for sound money and apportioned taxes anymore. Don’t blame them, its not taught in any schools. Fix or replace? We would need a President, a Senate majority and a House majority all willing to take a chainsaw to the Fed and the DC bureaucracy at at the same time putting their of their lives and livelihoods at risk. Uh not going to happen in this system.
  
  At this point, replace is the only answer. Time for a reset. Neither Democrats or Republicans can get the job done.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:03am
  why is this article below yesterday’s articles even though it is only 2 hours old?????
  
  Hard to win over Ron Paul voters when everything you do is shady
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:17am
  I called my county courthouse to find out what other options I have to renounce my Republican affiliation since I have become aware of it’s joining the Communist/Democrat affiliation..they told me that I could register as a Libertarian..or a no party affiliation..but I have to be registered as a Republican or a Democrat to vote in the primaries..that sounds fair and Constitutional..no? Since the only ones who can possibly win are the Communist Republican of the same Communist Democrat Party..Isn’t this fun?
  
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- american1st
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:31am
  i dropped my republican registration right after the primary’s and the rules change to kill grass roots (tea party/libertarian) movements.. i happen to be in a open primary state now due to a ballot initiative, but i would have changed it no matter where i lived. it is a simple way to protest, EVERY OPEN PRIMARY STATE SHOULD LOOSE “”ALL”" of ITS REGISTERED REPUBLICAN VOTERS . all the closed primary states should loose all their registered republicans until just before the next primary. SEND THEM A MESSAGE!!
  
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- P8riot
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:35am
  Do more to win Ron Paul supporters??? Ha!
  
  Let me make this simple… if you don’t go along with 100% of EVERYTHING the libertarians preach, you are suddenly a “constitution-hating communist progressive.”
  
  Sounds to me like the Ron Paul supporters need to do more to win Mitt Romney supporters. Constantly insulting us will NOT help your cause.
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:52am
  I don’t care what Mitt Romney says. I will not vote for him no matter what. Just like Clinton said in the 90′s: “The era of big government is over” only to try to do the opposite. Thank God we had a republican congress to stop him..
  
  Vote on Principle and don’t bow down to these establishment hacks. The establishment GOP hes given us Romney, McCain, Bush Jr, Dole, Bush Sr, and they fought against Ronald Reagan, who was the only good candidate and president.
  
  Vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson this one time to send a message that we don’t like what the establishment GOP had forced down our throats. If Obama gets elected it means we will get an even stronger grass roots organisation going to give us more small government Congressmen, Senators, and Governors, as we have seen since Obama’s election.
  
  But if we get rid of Obama, what will we then get with the Democrat Mitt, other than a false sense of security which will lull big government opposition to sleep, while Mitt goes on to do what he has always done, and that is being expedient, and not principled. I dislike Obama as much as anyone of you, but I like this Nation more than I dislike Obama.
  
  What does Mitt believe anyway?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapnnnOhWzs
  
  What does he stand for?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related
  
  Gary Johnson 2012
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4×9bkXVccAs
  
  Gary Johnson in the debates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPrZxHUqsA
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:56am
  @SOYBOMB315_II
  
  It has been this way all along, with articles that goes against TheBlaze’s agenda. Especially when there are comments written like yours and mine that are Pro Liberty and Freedom, and against what TheBlaze is pushing. But now they can say that they did post an article to save face. Even though it is done at a time when few have a chance to see it, and soon to be hidden, to make room for a National Enquirer type article, or a GB puff piece.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:07pm
  So now long time Republicans are just progressives and communists. Just goes to show that the Pureists don’t want Anything to do with Republicans. You can now sink with the ship you Pureists help to destroy. Congats
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:49pm
  I think a lot of you get the Paul supporters wrong. I have always liked many of Ron Paul’s ideas, but was like a lot of you on here that his foreign policy was wrong. I am beginning to think that he is more right than wrong on his foreign policy. I am beginning to believe we have make a huge mistake picking Mitt Romney over Ron Paul. I can say that Ron Paul, if he had become the nominee, would not have allowed the rule changes that caused the rift in our party now. This article try’s to make you believe that the rules changes problem is with Paul supporters only, but that is not true. I was planning on voting for Romney until that happened, and a lot of people like me are doing the same. I am voting for Gary Johnson, and I believe that Mitt Romney will not have a chance to win, because of how he and the RNC handled the primary and the convention. I know that Romney will not get the Paul supporters, no way. Go to the Paul sites and read what they say, they are not going to no matter what Romney says, Rand is being delusional and many Paul supporters have turned their back on him also.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:10pm
  THe republicans already spit in the eye of Ron Paul supporters. That is why Romney’s poll numbers suck.
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:26pm
  @MADASHEII
  Welcome to the truth. I like you voted for Mitt in 08′. Only after that I wanted to prove to myself that Ron Paul was crazy since that is what talk radio and Fox news told me to think. After reading Ron Paul Revolution and allot of history that he pointed to I came to realize that he was right and I was wrong, and thereby became a Ron Paul supporter. One thing that the establishment republicans don’t understand about us, is that what we support is not just Ron Paul (the honest politician), but his ideas and the logic and history that backs them up. So even if Ron Paul where to campaign for Mitt, I would not vote for Mitt, as he is a weak kneed Democrat at best, and unfortunately many Americans would go back to sleep if Mitt got elected, thinking that he will fix things, which he won’t. Yes, he will help the economy in the short run, but at the cost of loosing the small government momentum that caused the historic election in 2010.
  
  Ron Paul is a philosophy, and who best will stand up for that?
  
  Gary Johonson 2012
  http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:33pm
  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
  
  Good luck, “Grandfather of Obamacare”, Oh wait, He was pandering in front of Latinos.
  
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- Jefferson
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 3:12pm
  The ones who pushed the button for Romney had their chance. It was the ONLY chance to elect a TRUE and HONEST Paleo-Conservative to the White House and you blew it. You let Clear Channel Radio (Bain Capital) shills like Beck, Levin, Shammity, and Rush influence your thinking, and you made excuses to yourself thinking “well at least he’s not a commie.”
  The blame will be ON YOUR SHOULDERS, not ours. We tried (sometimes impatiently) to warn you that the house was on fire, and that Ron Paul was the ONLY one who showed up with a firetruck, while the others stood there with buckets of water and in some cases gasoline.
  
  You denied the one who had more support from the military than ALL of the others combined, and INSTEAD voted for the one who had the most support of the BANKERS and other special interests that got us into this mess in the first place. You sat there and yapped and quivered like a bunch of chi hua huas when it came to a pip squeak nation like Iran who can’t even produce enough gasoline for their country, and was NEVER a threat to us.
  You sniveled like little school children about how you weren’t going to support Paul “because of his supporters” and ignored the opportunity of a lifetime instead.
  
  Make no mistake. The BLAME WILL BE ON YOUR SHOULDERS, because it won’t just be RP supporters not voting for him, it will be independents and disenfranchised Dems as well, because they realize that it’s just another Goldman Sachs vs Goldman Sachs contest
  
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- alinmatt
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:33pm
  @p8triot and 13thimam,
  
  It wouldn’t take too much to win Ron Paul supporters over, or at least me. All I need is a real budget plan from Romney that aims to balance the budget within his term (not 28 years) and begin paying off the national debt. I can live with all of his other progressive crap, but I draw the line at the money because that is what will take this country down, not the Muslim Brotherhood. If we don’t get a handle on the money NOW, it won’t matter who gets elected, the results will be the same. If Romney doesn’t come around, he won’t get my vote.
  He shifts with the wind so much that I’m not sure I’d believe him anyways.
  
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- Marine25
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:37pm
  @ashestoashes
  You need to call your county library and have them reserve a thick book about communism for you as you obviously don’t know the meaning of the word.
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:39pm
  @13THIMAM In a race this tight and with the democrats and republicans in this country so evenly split it might just be that the small minority of third party independent voters have the most power. You better hope that isn’t the case because Romney is in trouble if it is. Also if Romney does lose then third party independent voters will have all the power and we will choose the next republican candidate instead of FOX news and Karl Rove. It might be worth four more years of Obama to have that power. I have confidence that whoever the president is I will continue to succeed because I don’t let government or the president determine my fate and neither should you. The only thing worse than democrats lies are republicans excuses!
  
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- MadAsHeII
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:57am
  @SquareHead, Yes, I woke up, as you say, after the convention. After the power grab that the RNC and Romney campaign did, I was beside myself. I was already disgusted at what they had done to Ron Paul, and it wasn’t even needed, that I decided right there not to vote for Romney. Then when the Democrats did the same thing at their convention, I realized that they are no different, and is why we are in such bad shape. Neither party cares about us, they only care about themselves and their power at all costs. It was at that point that I first wished I had done more for Ron Paul and that Gary Johnson was going to be my pick. It would be Paul now if he was to enter the race somehow. I apologize to all of you for not helping. Now we need to stop the socialistic machine in both parties and vote them the heII out!
  
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- bplumb23
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 7:26am
  MORON, stop hijacking my party.
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:48am
  @MADASHEII
  
  What counts is that you are awake. What the establishment don’t understand that this is not a “Yes we can” emotional movement. So the establishment has completely missed the mark. The R3VOLUTION is a an awareness based on the Constitution, History and Proven Fact, and that is not even tied to Ron Paul, though he was the one that awoke me from my apathy. The thing is that ones so know that the world is round, you can’t go back and pretend that it is flat..
  
  It reminds me of a quote a quote I read that went something like this: “Ones the mind has been stretched out with a new truth, it can never go back to its original shape”
  
  So the R3VOLUTION now is moving behind Gary Johnson, and if he commits suicide, between now and the election write in Ron Paul.
  
  Gary Johnson 2012
  
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republitarian
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:15am
Here comes another idiotic argument between the Paulbots and TimeToEnd.

Get it together people. We’re on the same frkn side.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:22am
  right, romney and obama are on the “same frkn side”
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:28am
  No we are not!! Time’s agenda has already been accomplished..he works for the Communist New world Order..I watched him telling Paul delegates that they had little suprises waiting for them at the conventions..and they did..mafia..criminal surprises..which was no surprise..I am in this world..but I am not of this world.. Jesus is my only Saviour..not Romney..I will take no part in the spirit of the beast..from whatever side he comes..Ron Paul is a Southern Baptist..the only Christian man we had running..He believes in the Golden Rule..He was not a liar..and he wanted to end the un Federal Reserve.. The international banks whose boss is the un federal reserve owns the major media outlets..I cannot blame you for having been taken in.. There is no choice left.
  
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- TJeff1
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:36am
  You say just vote for Romney he is not Obama. He is better than Obama. I can agree that he is better but I will not vote for Romney.
  
  Some poeple have the idea to always vote for the right-most electable candidate that can possibly win. >>>>>The problem with that advise is you can do just that and still drift ever leftward and/or statist. This is what has happened for about 100 years. We have drifted leftward even though we have had Republicans and Democrats in power.
  
  The trajectory of our Republic is towards the Left. This can only stop if WE MAKE A STAND and force the issues back to the right. This means the Republicans have to change to get the Ron Paul voters… Not the otherway around.
  
  Ron Paul votes will not…. and should not…. vote for Romney until he takes a plaform that has some resemblance to RP’s main issues. End the FED. Return to sound money. Stop the meddling and protecting the world overseas. Stop the welfare state expansion.
  
  If he truly takes these to the platform, then I would vote for him. Problem is that even if he were to adopt these issues tomorrow, I am not sure I would believe him to actually make effort to impliment them when he is office.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:37am
  Ashes: You are full of beans. TIME is no liberal. I have also been the target of your lies that I am a secret Obama person. Lies. Typical of the Lefty Smoke and Mirrors you guys run here. Divide the Dumb Republicans is the goal…then THE NEXT PLOY : it’s Dead Men and Illegals Voting. You guys are either Obama Drones , completely Insane, or just part of the Let’s Have A Revolution Anarchy Crowd ( as in : elect Obama because that will cause a revolution ) NOBAMA 2012 NO DEMOCRATS 2012 PERIOD.
  
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- lobaker
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:53am
  I think you mean Obama and Romney are on the same side. Because Ron Paul is clearly not a big government, politically correct opportunist, like the two you mention
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:07am
  BARBER..I know that you think that you are a Conservative..but you are not..I really don’t believe that you do this because you know what you are doing..I believe you are just totally ignorant..you are one of the ones who have been blinded..If you look at Romneys policies..they are the same as Obamas.the very same..the unfederal reserve is their financiers through the same Sharia Compliant Banks..and they have picked both candidates..so it is a win/win situation for them..as for you ..I doubt you will be ever the wiser..Some people have no ability to think for themselves..You are blind Barber..It probably isn’t your fault..may be some genetic defect..
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:33am
  ASHES: You have the arrogance of the Obama Crowd…so people who do not agree with your are ignorant and blind ?? Arrogance..the mark of the Left !
  
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- republitarian
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:36am
  Guys, I enjoy reading your posts when you’re not fighting with each other.
  
  Soy, cute.
  
  Ashes, I getcha but you’re fringe. And you are driving people nuts. The evidence is in Barber’s post. Barber IS a perfectly good Conservative Republican and you made him absolutely crazy.
  
  Jeff, I think we’re on the same page.
  
  Barber, sorry ‘bout that. I hope the rest of your day goes better!
  
  Here’s something I found from the Atlanta area that I like to re-post. Gives me hope:
  
  Cynthia Campbell
  9:19 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
  “I made a total FOOL of myself in 2008 with all the ‘Hopey Changey’ baloney and today cannot believe I was that deluded! Fool me once! I thought how nice it would be to prove everyone wrong and see an attractive and articulate Black man succeed, but all we got was a front row seat to watch that sociopath spiral into a textbook case of arrogance and narcissism. I am tired of apologizing to my pals and will make it up by letting as many people know as I can that he was never fit to lead and never had this country at heart.”
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:17pm
  Ashes, You cannot argue with people like Barber, he is too much like Time_2. Believe me when I tell you that things are going to change here real soon that will wake all of them up. Obama will be re-elected, because of the ignorance of the masses. The world’s economy WILL crash, and a lot of people will die. Maybe many posters here that were too blind to see it coming. All the guns and ammo will not stop it, buying gold, will not stop it, even if by some miracle Romney is elected, will not stop it. When everyone loses all the toys, they think they are protecting by electing
  Romney, then and only then, will they wake up. Like alcoholics, they have to hit bottom in order to see their problem.
  
  As far as Rand? He has lost the Paul supporters also. He has become like all the rest of them on Capitol Hill, they can have him.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:27pm
  not in the election but in the revolution probably fight side by side.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:33pm
  @BARBER May be Barber..you didn’t see the policies that ole Mittens stands for or maybe you didn’t see the vid in which shows when Mitt is lying..his lips are moving..you are the Obama crowd their Barbs..it’s a shame you don’t see it.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnrYR8xeZPw
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pgfWK3sxw
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:53pm
  @WEST COAST..Glad to see you….Thank you for your encouraging words.. God bless you my friend..
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:21am
  Ashes, thanks, the reason I do not come on here much anymore is that for some reason, it takes hours for my posts to show up. I think I have been put on some red flag so that my posts get looked at by a live moderator. I must have put some things on here that they did not like me showing. It is not bad words or anything, but truth that they do not like. I will come back from time to time and post, however, when it takes so long, less people see them and it is not as effective. The truth lives here you know.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:18pm
  @WEST COAST..Providing you come back here and see this..I wish I could have a private conversation with you..hang on West..you know..all of my friends tell me it’s going to change..but I am of the opinion of one of my friends..and that is..we are very close to the end..you know..with the tribulations and and end to this system of things..I wouldn’t talk to you about this but I know you are in the word..stay strong West..the anit-Christ and his minion are supposed to set up for 3.5 yrs.. even the elect will be fooled..by the end of that time..they will be overthrown and Jesus will return for the millenial reign.. the unfederal reserve will choose our president..whether it be obama or mittens..check this out West..I know you love the Mormons..but you were wise to get out..you listened to the Holy Spirit..this is their plan for America. http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2226.cfm
  and the Islamic plan is to overtake the world for Allah..and that won’t be pretty.. Hope to meet you one day..Blessings…
  
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quackertwo
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:15am
THANKS RON PAUL YOU ARE AN *****! YOU should be SUPPORTING Romney because we NEED TO DEFEAT BHO! This is why you didn’t win!!!! STOP being a CHILD and start supporting Romney you IDIOT! OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!

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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:43am
  You are the ones needing to wake up..but it’s too late now..so go back to sleep..
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:46am
  Ron Paul is staying out of this. You are the one who sounds like a child
  
  You can have your faux good versus evil battle in the general election. Honest peole know both parties are controlled by bad people and evil interests
  
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- TJeff1
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:08am
  You are saying to always vote for the right-most electable candidate that can possibly win. i.e. Romney >>>>> The problem with that advise is you can do just that and still drift ever leftward and/or statist. This is what has happened for about 100 years. We have drifted leftward even though we have had Republicans and Democrats in power.
  
  The trajectory of our Republic is towards the Left. This can only stop if WE MAKE A STAND and force the issues back to the right. This means the Republicans have to change to get the Ron Paul voters… Not the otherway around
  
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OneTermPresident
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:10am
I like Rand but he should know his father needs to endorse Romney first.

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- CatB
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:18am
  Exactly .. and I just heard Glenn talking about that “47″ tape of Romney … apparently he also talks about the Fed and Glenn said it should bring the Paul people over … I am leaving for a Romney rally in a few minutes .. but someone should be able to find the rest of the tape . and what it says. Paul people have a choice .. TYRANNY under Obama … or vote for Romney and pray that he does what is right … I think he is a good man .. a man of his word.
  
  R & R 2012
  
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- Sirfoldallot
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:18am
  Yup , it’s time 2 get behind Mitt. Quit crying & know if Obama gets in , our freedom is Over this country is over as a idea of freedom 4 the people. Vote
  
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- toiletclogga
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:19am
  These Paulies believe they won the election. Romney needs to push a Conservative platform, and if the Paulies don’t like it, or don’t believe it is Conservative enough for them, they can vote for whomever they like. Romney needs to just tell the truth about himself, nothing more, nothing less. Why pander to the Ron Paul kooks?
  
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- Rillobymorning
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:21am
  I totally agree. Ron Paul sounds like a bitter old man and he needs to tell his supporters that this country may not ever be able to turn around after another 4 years of Obama. The debt will be so high and our grandchildren will be paying it. Obama will spend like a wildman if given another 4 years…his very plan for global redistribution.
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:32am
  Dream on
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:02am
  You guys crack me up. THIS ISN’T HARD! Just take a constitutional platform. That’s it. We don’t want Romneycare. We want our rights that are inalienable to us. We want free markets. We want liberty. We want a constitutional republic.
  
  All this talk about compromise to get rid of BHO is garbage. Our forefathers could have compromised with King George. Did they? Or did they draw a line in the sand? The intolerable acts that started the revolution were nothing compared to what we endure now. They had spines. They had principle and courage and faith. I’m quite sure they’d be sickened by what this nation has become and that people who claim to be for liberty are berating others to vote for a tyrant.
  
  I am not beholden to a party. I put my faith in God and my judgement in the constitution. Those are the only constants anymore. I had great grandfathers at Valley Forge and Lexington. My ancestor didn’t grab his musket and head out the door to stare down a British muzzle so that I could sell out the very concepts of liberty that he was willing to die for and would not compromise upon. Shame on all of you and shame on us as a nation. We were given a gift unlike any in history and you all want to pi$$ it away. That somehow Romneycare and NDAA and the Fed and so on aren’t really that bad and I’m sure our founders would accept them if only they were as smart as us.
  
  I’ll die on principle before I gloat in victory as a serf like you all. Sam Adams was
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:21pm
  Then gloat in losing
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:30pm
  @13,
  
  We all lose. No gloating there.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:29pm
  ok endorse him fool the stupid ignorant voters who fall for that and than smash and bash him to destroy his chances when those voters don’t even bother research that your doing that.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:42pm
  ” I just heard Glenn talking about that “47” tape of Romney:”
  
  Maybe, Just maybe, If glenn wasn’t a progressive, He’d champion to get rid of the income tax completely. Nah, He scoffed at Ron Paul for even mentioning that a while back on his program.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 2:10pm
  @Rothbardian:
  
  Let’s face it, there WILL be SOME gloating.
  
  We, who vote our consciences, can STILL LAUGH at the Republicans who bought the party line.
  
  We may be against the wall with them, but we can still laugh at them.
  
  I know I will.
  
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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:40pm
  CATB-
  Tyranny under Obama or Tyranny under Romney doesn’t make any difference it is Tyranny. Romney supports all the power grabs issued be republicans and signed into law under Obama. Will he give up the new powers the president now has? No, of course not. He will likely add to them. Down with both parties.
  
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- West Coast Patriot
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:55pm
  I had to come back because you people are so ignorant. ROMNEY WILL NOT WIN, PERIOD!! We (I) have been telling all of you for quite some time. We have been telling you that because Romney is a progressive, we will not vote for him, PERIOD!! We have been telling you since February!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV8RSgCr2g
  TMOT has been telling you for a long time!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXhY1j3ZAMs
  
  We cannot help it all of you fell for the same old political BS that you all have fallen for time and time again. Campaign promises that are never meant to be kept. Candidates that lie to you by moving to the right, left or center to gain your vote. False prophets that tell you that they can create jobs, when all of you KNOW that government cannot create real jobs, they only create bigger government. The free market creates jobs, but George W. decided we had to abandon the free market (in order to save it?), has it been saved yet?? NO!! You people really take the cake here. All of you are so afraid of losing some of your material possessions that you will enslave your future generations. That makes me sick! We are going under if you vote for Romney or Obama! A vote for Romney is a vote to reelect Obama. Have fun in your demise. This is very telling: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
  Pay close attention to the toss up states! Obama has 247 locked up, he only needs 28 to win, do the math.
  
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- SquareHead
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:25am
  You simpleton sheep that get your marching orders from GB, Rush, or Fox should take some time and read the comments here. Many of them give ample reasons NOT to vote for Mitt.
  
  You don’t see that both the D’s and the R’s have been moving towards socialism and tyranny. JFK would be called a right wing extremest today.. Well we are not going to drift of any further. McCain was the last time..
  
  Gary Johnson 2012
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:08am
Rand Paul should know that we are not some voting block who can be persuaded with words and empty promises. We are not like most Americans who can be tricked using childish political games.

We have inspected Romney’s record and it is a nightmare. No mutterings or endorsement can change who Romney is.

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- CatB
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:21am
  Yes .. you would rather vote for Obama and bring down the country .. we know who you are … two year olds having a temper fit.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:26am
  i’m not voting for Obama. Are you confused?
  
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- CatB
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:33am
  Any vote other than Romney is a vote for Obama … got that?
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:40am
  “Any vote other than Romney is a vote for Obama” Right you are CatB.
  
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- american1st
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:44am
  F: On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.
  A: Odd, I thought you said it was a democracy.
  F: I did. It is.
  A: So why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?
  F: It honestly doesn’t occur to them. They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.
  A: You mean they actually vote for the lizards?
  F: Oh yes, of course.
  A: But why?
  F: Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:47am
  so guess i might as well vote for Obama then
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:48am
  CATB,
  
  That line of thinking is ignorant and dangerous. I could make the claim that any vote for Owebama or Romney is a vote for tyranny. (I’d probably be right). If you vote for either than your a bootlicking, constitution hating sycophant.
  
  Gee that’s fun.
  
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- BoyScout_Mom
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:32am
  Paulians = The Suicide Bombers of America. “Time to crash the system now.”….
  
  Romney did say a return to the gold standard should have a seat at the table. At least, Romney will allow us a seat at the table. “This man is one cheap son of a gun, who would drive a mile to save 50 cents on paper clips.”
  
  King Zero will “replace this system” with The Unthinkable… The Unimaginable…
  
  Please look how far we’ve come, how many are awake or awakening…
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_cGyPwt5UI
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:41am
  @Boyscout Mom, Do you like the system we have?
  
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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:03pm
  What some fail to realize is no there will be no ‘wheels coming off’
  There will be no ‘fighting to rebuild the constitution’ IF
  This Man in the W.H. win a second term. He’s is going to morph this
  country into the what he desires ,there will be no restoring nothing.
  Do you wait for a man to declare himself king or do you oust
  Him before he has every person and regulation in place.
  
  You can sit idle and watch our country turn into a communist state,
  by not voting for Romney because he’s not your man . And at the
  same time claim those who support Romney are the sell-outs .I say
  look in the mirror you bunch of morons that don’t know the first thing
  about how to turn a war around .Ask yourself this ,How is ISLAM is
  moving forward. HOW is the HOMOSEXUAL community moving
  forward. How is everything moving forward in this country.
  – FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
  You get inside and change it , not fight it head on.
  I never seen a denser bunch.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:25pm
  Tofu was going to vote for Barry , ALL ALONG. He just confirmed it. You dorks are sleeping with the enemy.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:38pm
  Yup 13th – that is what happens when a group of people say stupid things. Thats why a lot of people left the democrat party and also why a lot of good people are leaving the republican party.
  
  If me voting 3rd party threatens your guy – then fix the election laws. If you guys continue on this irrational drumbeat – maybe alot of people will consider voting for Obama to prove you wrong
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:56pm
  A vote for The Big O, is a vote for The Big O, and a fascist/socialist/communist system (the merger of these will be “Americanist”, enhanced and safeguarded by the technological snoopery they’re putting in place).
  
  A vote for RINOmney, is a vote for RINOmney, and a fascist/socialist/communist system, the same as The Big O. If you don’t believe me, just look at their records. It’s all right there, in black and white.
  
  If I vote for The Big O, I vote against RINOmney? No, I vote for The Big O. If I were to vote for RINOmney, I would be voting FOR HIM, and not AGAINST The Big O.
  
  But, neither of these two scoundrels has given me ANY REASON TO VOTE FOR HIM.
  
  Why should I consider four more years of Obama, to be any worse than four years (with a locked-in-cannot-be-challenged-thank-you-rules-change option on EIGHT years) of RINOmney?
  
  Thanks, but no thanks. I’ll vote for Johnson, with a mostly clear conscience.
  
  The system is going down, either way. It is mathematically impossible for it to continue much longer, without causing MORE hardship when it collapses, than it would to put in someone SANE to actually FIX THE PROBLEM.
  
  While you Republicans point a finger at us, who said early on that we simply could not, and would not, vote for RINOmney, make sure to studiously ignore the three fingers you’ve pointed at yourselves.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:36pm
  for those who says any other vote than romney is a vote for obama is saying the election is already rigged and decided so if that is the case why vote, why not revolutionize, destroy the influence blocks and use the judicial side to block out legislation. seems like voting is just a waste of time if the election is that way.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:41pm
  “Romney did say a return to the gold standard should have a seat at the table.”
  
  We can’t have gold standard till the federal reserve is gone. The federal reserve completely control the economy. All the fed has to do is contract the money supply and cause another depression.
  
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spudwhite
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:07am
To clarify, I do hope Romney will win but I fear because Obama is capable of anything to stay in office. If/when Romney wins though, he needs to be further educated as to Conservatism and its Libertarian roots. This looks hopeful.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/23/university-of-colorado-prediction-model-points-to-big-romney-win

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apbt55
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:04am
A vote for anyone but Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. So all you wanna be Romney supporters better get it straight and do what someone else tells you too. Yepp how does it sound coming the other way. You are the ones handing the election to Obama. You should vote for Johnson because you don’t want Obama to win not because you agree in any way with Gary Johnson. Useful idiots is the term beck uses, and well if fits all of you making that argument of why we should vote for Romney. You are all useful idiots of a failed progressive republican establishment, enjoy you swell.

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- Johng405
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:07am
  A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. If you don’t kick him out of the White House now nothing else matters.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:13am
  Only fools would keep saying “a vote for X is a vote for Y’.
  
  Keep up such nonsensical arguments and I might just show you what a true vote for Y looks like….
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:53am
  Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace. Ignorance is Stength.
  
  Seems I’ve heard this line of thinking somewhere before.
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:02am
Ron Paul supporters don’t care who is in the White House – they will never support anyone but Ron Paul.

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- riseandshine
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:08am
  You’re wrong.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:10am
  wrong – i support Gary Johnson. Heck, i would even support Virgil Goode if he had more popularity. I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008, not Ron Paul
  
  I could have voted for Herman Cain, Bachmann, or even Perry (maybe) if you sheep had enough guts to do what is right
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:20am
  Ron Paul is the only candidate ever who wanted to take us back to the Constitution..We were bankrupted by the wars in the 1860′s caused by the Rothschilds and taken over by their banks.. The US has since been run as a Corporation..we all have numbers and are sold on the auction block like cattle..The Congress answers to the un federal reserve in place of US citizens.. The un federal reserve takes all of our tax money and loans it back to us at a ridiculously high rate of interest.. If Romney were a Christian..If Romney wasn’t financed by the un federal reserve’s Sharia Compliant Banks..if he weren’t for the taking of our freedoms..through NDAA, the Patriot Act..gun control. global warming, higher taxation. if he hadn’t created and supported Obamacare..and if when his lips were moving..he wan’t lying..then we might support Romney..but how can we feasibly support a liberal running as a Conservative.?.
  I am trying to prepare myself for the re-education camps and the guillotenes.. better than taking the mark of the beast with either of these candidates.
  
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- riseandshine
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:24am
  For me…it’s never been about Ron Paul…it has always been about honest, Constitutional government.
  
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- apbt55
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:39am
  Umm, I supported Ron Paul, will be voting for Gary Johnson. Dumb republicans will do whatever their masters tell them, just like the dependent class democrats.
  
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- stopspendingourmoney
  Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:28pm
  Wrong!!! I am a Ron Paul supporter and I will be voting for Romney on the hope that he will do the right thing. I am not happy about what happened at the RNC, I am not happy how they treated Ron Paul. but I do trust Romney a heck of allot more than I do Obama, like it or not it will be out of these two, I wish Johnson had a shot but he doesn’t. It will only help Obama and I want him to lose, there is no telling what this guy will do if he is reelected, he is as close to a terrorist in the white house we could ever have..I will vote for Romney for my country and for hope in God he does the right thing.. God Bless you and this Country we need God more now than ever..bless us we may all come together and do the right thing.
  
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:59am
Rand, GIVE US SOME IDEAS! All I ever hear them do is complain, throw tantrums, and act like babies when their candidate doesn’t get their way.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:08am
  Governing within the confines of the Constitution isn’t a good idea?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:15am
  Anonymous, you are disingenuous
  
  We state matters of fact and solutions on a regular basis and all you guys do is call us ‘democrats’ or ‘obama supporters’. Grow up, or wake up – whichever applies
  
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- WiredRight
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:02am
  HERE’S SOME IDEAS! Stop complaining, throwing tantrums, and acting like babies when we won’t vote the way YOU think we should.
  
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Johng405
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:54am
Wrong. The SOB needs to work for Romney to defeat Obama.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:07am
  Because a fascist technocrat is better than a socialist? Keep you SOB’s to yourself. Romney’s surrounded himself with neoconservatives animals.
  
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RANGER1965
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:51am
The question is, who is the offended party? Your answer to that will determine who needs to placate whom.

I am voting for Romney, but not with great enthusiasm. I feel that the tea party and liberty got a heavy kick in the A** by the RNC elites.
But I also agree with Rush Limbaugh, that a vote for anyone but Romney is not a protest vote, is not a “I’m gonna show these idiots in Washington!”, it’s simply a vote for Barry, whether you like it or not.

Ardent Ron Paul supporters and many Libertarians are planning to write in a cantidate, or sit it out. I think (as many have suggested) offering Ron Paul a serious cabinet position like Treasury Sec would go a long way in shoring up his base.

Going after these elusive Reagan democrats, and undecided risks losing his base. Swinging to the left to catch these people in the middle is not worth it in this election.

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- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 6:45pm
  if Romney was smart, he would have asked Paul for VP. The election would have been a lock. Now he can’t even keep his head above water.
  
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breakobamanow
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:51am
Psalm 73:8
They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.

Psalm 119:134
Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.

Isaiah 30:12-13
Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

Isaiah 59:12-14
For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them; In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

These are shadows; not only of the past, but of the things to come.

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spudwhite
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:43am
Romney tries to make his demeanor Reaganesque but it’s off-putting. He’s more a kindly but odd Stepford Husband. I think he means well and would be an effective president, though he’s far too RHINO for my taste– I support(ed) Ron Paul, (though he is clueless when it comes to the threat of Islam.) Romney should let Ryan loose more and learn to attack Obama instead of being mushy. Remember this is Romney’s SECOND time running for prez, he should be far better at it than he is. Also, Obama wanted to run against Romney, cause he believes he can easily beat him. I fear for our country

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Gary_K
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:42am
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFsQT41lQ18

The barry you don’t know.

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- Gary_K
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:46am
  ” With his air of reasonableness and moderation, he has projected a remarkably likable persona. Even in the midst of a historically dirty campaign for re-election, his likability numbers remain impressive, as seen in a recent AP-GFK Poll that found 53 percent of adults have a favorable view of him.
  
  But beyond the spin and the polls, a starkly different picture emerges. It is a portrait of a man quite unlike his image, not a visionary reformer but rather a classic Chicago machine pol who thrives on rewarding himself and his friends with the spoils of public office, and who uses his position to punish his enemies. ”
  
  I think this is a must read !!!
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:07am
  nice thanks…saw it earlier.
  
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barber2
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:40am
In my area, we have Gary Johnson ads running on our Fox station. The Democrats are DESPERATELY trying to Divide the Republican vote.

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:17am
  I heard Gary Johnson ad on my radio station yesterday. Perhaps you are surrounded by democrats – better look under your bed at night
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:28am
  Soy: thanks for the tip. I’ll be on that sage advice from one of our Ron Paul people….
  
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- Gonzo
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:47am
  Soy, I know you think that after four more years of Obama, people will be ready for R.P.’s message and a new Constitutional America will rise from the ashes, but the country may not survive four more years of Obama. If the U.S. goes the way of the Soviet Union, do you honestly think we will not be invaded and conquered? We could have done that to Russia when the S.U. crumbled, but it’s not how we operate. The same can’t be said of our enemies.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:58am
  Gonzo
  I think the last thing we need to worry about is an invading army. seriuosly, you think our oligarchy would accept domination by another country? What about our military that is ten times more powerful than the russians?
  
  The next economic collapse will be worse than the previous. Whether Romney or Obama is in charge, it will be the same thing – martial law, price fixing, massive inflation, and scarce goods
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:42pm
  good glad he is getting ad time, hes the best man for the job.
  
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SquidVetOhio
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:33am
Promise to legalize pot and give Iran a nuke (for peaceful purposes of course) and you’ll get all the Ron Paul people. That seems to be their big hang up. Oh yea, gut the military and get rid of the Fed. Forgot about those two.

Wait a second, I forgot the most important one. Abandon Israel. Man, how did I miss that one?

(I love Rand Paul btw. Can’t blame him for defending his dad. But I don’t envy having to do it.)

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:47am
  That’s a sweeping generalization. Furthermore, it’s pretty well spun to distort the truth. That isn’t fair. Let’s see how it works the other way shall we?
  
  Romney should just appeal to his base and forget the PaulBots. We need to print more money and put it into Freddie, Fannie and bank balance sheets while essentially stealing wealth from everyone. He should better articulate his strategy of world domination and threaten all nations. In fact, let’s do some more invasions and blow some folks up. We need to continue the bloated government, crony capitalism and massive deficits. We should continue to ignore civil liberties and expand the police state to keep people safe even if that means we go into their homes electronically. We should simply tweak the nationalized health care and reinforce how free markets don’t work and that government should “fix” them. We should continue taking from our children by borrowing from the Chinese and/or printing so that we can give money to other nation’s dictators and if they don’t take the money we’ll blow them up.
  
  How’s that work? Spun generalizations are fun eh Squid? Either engage in a debate or don’t but the Alinsky stuff is just distasteful.
  
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- pintobeans
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:57am
  Squidlips, Ron Paul is a lot of things to a lot of people but most it is about paying tax after tax to save the world and more laws. He never said he was gutting the military, he said shut down the overseas locations. Let the troops defend the home front from home. Pot a state issue. Abortion, a state issue. Israel, no different than any other country, defend yourself.
  I refuse to vote for anyone who does not put America and citizens of America first.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:18am
  @ROTHBARD – I’ll post and say whatever I want and you’ll like it. I knew the knee-jerk reaction I would get from you guys.
  
  @PINTOBEANS – SquidLips. Really? That’s all you got? If you’re gonna argue with the big boys, you better put your big boy pants on.
  
  Face it, you guys know I’m right. You Ron Paul supporters are always trying tell us what we didn’t hear Ron Paul said. Like we should trust you and not our lying ears. We all know you guys wouldn’t lose a second of sleep if Israel was ran into the sea. Drugs are smuggled illegally across international and state lines so that makes it a Federal issue (learn your constitution).
  
  And yea, Romney wants world domination. All he is missing is a black cape and a scepter.
  
  Just because you’re not witty enough to comeback with anything funny, don’t blame it on Saul Alinsky.
  
  SquidVetOhio – 2
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:19am
  @Squid.
  Just ignore these two responses, its just encinom, and his looney toon comments.gary johnson and ron paul are still in the race for one reason, to get odumbass reelected, both of these tards are being paid and supported be george soros.Any sane person in their position would have dropped from the race a long time ago.but not these two idiots, amazing what a few dollars will buy nowadays……
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:25am
  Squid is the emodiment of republicanism. Anything that challenges their narrative and elitist plans represents a threat to their existence….Everything breaks down into the most simplistic argument – you are either ‘with us or against us’. These people cannot be reasoned with
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:42am
  @Squid, LOL ok man. You can post whatever you want. SOME OF US still respect the constitution. SOME OF US will fight for your right to advertise to the world your myopia. As for liking it? Get bent. LOL.
  
  As for you being “right”. Please. Declaring so doesn’t make it so. That’s the problem with you totalitarians. You focus on what people SAY and not what they DO. The GOP says all sorts of things, what the DO is spend money like sailors on shore leave (you like that?) and trample on the constitution. Are you this gullible in all areas of your life or are you only a political lemming?
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:45am
  As for the drugs, it isn’t a federal issue UNTIL it is “smuggled” as you say. So if it IS a federal issue amend the constitution. Period. It’s that simple. Justifying tyranny is sorta a staple for you.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:57am
  @ROTHBARD
  
  Since I’ve actually taken the oath to defend the Constitution, you can save your self-righteous claim of defending it by posting on message boards. Because I don’t agree with your dear leader Ron Paul (peace be upon him), I’m now a totalitarian? Dude, you don’t know me. You don’t anything about me. I detest most of the GOP. But, I know reality. The reality is either Obama or Romney will be the next president. The undeniable fact that you guys refuse to believe so you want to take your toys and go home and accuse us of being stupid, fascists and every other ridiculous thing you can think of because you can’t win the argument on facts. You throw up all kinds of straw-men and ad-hominem attacks and then get touchy when you’re called out on it. If you really want to defend the constitution, go down to your local recruiter’s office.
  
  So, since you decided to reply to my post…. you get bent.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:06am
  “So if it IS a federal issue amend the constitution. Period. It’s that simple. Justifying tyranny is sorta a staple for you.”
  
  Well… Mr. Constitution, I’m sure you know what is required to amend the Constitution. Good luck getting that done with the expressed purpose of legalizing crack, cocaine, heroine,etc… That’s a political winner. A super majority of Congress and 2/3 of the states to ratify. Yea, it’s really simple.
  
  But I guess justifying crime and immorality is just a staple for you.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:11am
  @squid,
  
  I took the oath. I served in Desert Storm. I re-enlisted for Operation Iraqi Freedom. US Army both times. The oath doesn’t end when you take off the uniform.
  
  If you think you are defending the constitution by not only voting for a guy that tramples upon it but chastising those who call that point out then you need to look up the word “defend”.
  
  Unless somebody stands up for right and wrong this train keeps veering to totalitarianism. You’re acceptance of this baloney 2 choice fake construct is the problem. Telling someone that votes for the constitution (I’m voting fore Goode) that they are the problem is simply your way of dealing with the emotional baggage of selling out your posterity.
  
  If your oath means something to you then don’t vote for someone who’s policies are in defiance of the constitution.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:17am
  @squid
  
  The federal government did not try to ban drugs until the uber progressive era….What does that tell you?
  
  You dont need a constitutional amendment to stop the government from making drug prohibition laws – i suggest you keep your mouth shut regarding Constitutional matters
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:18am
  @Squid,
  
  Yes I’m fully aware. There is a reason that the founders made it so hard to amend the constitution. Because the federal government isn’t supposed to have over 200,000 pages of laws. The government isn’t supposed to control every aspect of your life with creeping incrementalism. You want to ban drugs? Fine. Our founders had a means to do so. That’s why we had the 18th amendment. It wasn’t until afterwards that the statists got together and said that’s hard let’s just run an end around on that scrap of paper.
  
  And BTW, you don’t have to amend it to LEGALIZE it. You have to amend it to BAN it. What planet did you go to school on where it says in the constitution that X, Y and Z chemicals are prohibited? EVERYTHING was either enumerate, legal or left to the states. There was no default federal illegality other than infringing upon the rights of the people.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:47pm
  @SOYBOMB – I’ll shut my mouth when your candy @ss makes me.
  
  @ROTHBARD – “And BTW, you don’t have to amend it to LEGALIZE it. You have to amend it to BAN it.”
  
  Well, every lawyer, legislature, and court in America disagrees with you.
  Dude seriously, Law 101. Any local community college. And I didn’t forget my oath when I took off my uniform. I’m trying to save my country. You’re throwing a tantrum cause your guy has no chance of getting elected.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 12:55pm
  @Squid,
  
  “Well, every lawyer, legislature, and court in America disagrees with you.
  Dude seriously, Law 101. Any local community college. ”
  
  If that were true why did we need the 18th amendment?
  
  Simple question.
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:38pm
  ” But, I know reality.”
  
  Aww, Is this the reality fox news created for you, or was it rush?
  
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- resme
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:46pm
  “Good luck getting that done with the expressed purpose of legalizing crack, cocaine, heroine,etc”
  
  Why aren’t we burning opium fields in Afghanistan?
  
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justangry
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:32am
For some of us it’s about the rights evil men in Washington think they take from us. I’m still never going to vote for anyone that supports the Patriot Act, NDAA and all the other egregious attacks to the Bill of Rights. I don’t care how many boogie men they create. Rand does often speak of these, but this side of him isn’t published by the media whores.

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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:21pm
  This is where I stand, as well.
  
  I think Romney is a great guy. Solid, upstanding, moral. Christian (even if some don’t think Mormonism is a Christian theology, they think they are, and they live the right way, and preach and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to millions worldwide, yearly.)
  
  I just can’t get past his support for things which run counter to the very heart of our Liberty. A President is supposed to be a warrior FOR our Liberties, to PROTECT them. I see no such determination from Romney, therefore I CANNOT support him.
  
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hornz
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:31am
Ron Paul supporters will more than likely end up choosing Obama or Johnson over Romney.

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- justangry
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:59am
  Some are. Some are going to vote for Romney, others Johnson or Goode. Others are going to reject the corrupt system all together. I’d say the ones that are going to vote for Obama to get even with the GOP are in the minority. Based solely on what I’ve been reading on libertarian sites, most are either staying home or voting for Gary Johnson.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:29am
  HORNZ: As will those who pose as Ron Paul people and comment here …
  
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- justangry
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:12am
  Not likely Barber, The ones that post here are voting for Johnson or Goode, abstaining, or voting for Romney because he’s the lesser of two evils.
  
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- barber2
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:31am
  ANGRY: I see your Boehner avatar is gone..
  
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razhunter100
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:31am
all bs…the house could have defunded all of barrys soetoro bs.

govt is a 2 headed snake…all need to be pardoned and pacified.

i have plenty of rope …pick some good trees.

btw , barry soetoro i using a stolen ss#…042684425…search barry fails e-verify.

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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:35am
  Might want to check out all of the under reported acts taken in the Repub controlled house that can’t see the light of day in the Dem controlled Senate.
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:49am
  thanks, have seen it…
  saw this dog and pony show for what it is… decades ago.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:24pm
  What good does it do to de-fund The Big O’s programs and policies, when there has not been a BUDGET passed in over THREE YEARS?
  
  The House controls the purse strings. But only if they have enough testicular fortitude to actually draw the damned things shut. I see no such strength in the Republican party and its adherents.
  
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snowcloud
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:28am
I’ve been saying that Romney should appoint Ron Paul as his Treasury Secretary and announce it now. He would do an excellent job in that position.

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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:53am
  Ron Paul would never work in this globalist administration..It is everything that he has fought against..He fought for our freedoms via the Constitution. for 30 yrs ..the small minds didn’t get it..I would tell them all to go to hell if I were him..although he has and had ardent supporters with eyes wide open..too bad most were oblivious to it.. now there is no one left to carry on the fight..We deserve everything we get..to become slaves to this NWO/Communism..It is sad that all who fought so valianty for our freedoms with Ron Paul..to go down..but a great satisfaction to know it will be because of the fools who didn’t see it coming ..and they will not escape ..
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:06am
  good idea…
  only thing is all are forgetting how the rnc committed fraud against paul and the delegates…
  
  many people are very upset.
  
  Did RNC “Scripted” Rules Change Start A Civil War In The Republican Party?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE&feature=plcp
  
  Ron Paul’s 2002 Predictions All Come True – Incredible Video!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0&feature=related
  
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ares338
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:28am
Ron Paul supporters have to do more to keep Obama from being re-elected. Bury that bitter pill and keep the traitor in chief from office. Romney wasn’t my choice but that’s over…..it’s time to save America folks.

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:40am
  I intend to. I will be voting for Virgil Goode. As I had posted earlier someone had said “You can never be wrong doing the right thing.”. I will vote for the constitution and I will pray to God. The rest will work itself out one way or the other. He won’t win and that’s fine. When the wheels come off of this thing due to Romney or Owebama I will fight, survive and rebuild a constitutional republic for my children and grandchildren.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:27pm
  Yep. I’m gonna vote for Johnson, to try to get Obama out. I don’t want Romney for eight years, either, since the policies are the same (this is by design — read Clinton’s inspiration, Carroll Quigley in “Tragedy and Hope”) We’d be better off term limiting Obama out with another four.
  
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101stIraqVet
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:28am
Promise to legalize marijuana, they’ll come running.

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- razhunter100
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:44am
  no need , drugs are more available than ever before…
  
  btw, name 1 death from intake of marijuana…take your time, ill wait.
  
  can show direct govt stats of alcohol, big pharma , etc, that kill 100,000′s of Americans every year…and you are worried about weed.
  
  dam tired of the ignorant bs.
  
  Proof Marijuana CURES Cancer
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cUC8tjoB_0
  
  Best Marijuana Argument Ever: Given By Superior Court Judge James P. Gray
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgY5eOlhEc&feature=related
  
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- ashestoashes
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:44am
  Speak for yourself..I don’t care what others do as long as they don’t infringe upon my rights to live my life and practice my religion as I see fit.. I certainly don’t care if others want to smoke pot..they are going to do it anyway.. I am willing to give them their freedom as long as I can keep mine..I am not that big of a control freak..what about our government being involved in the drug trade..huh? Looks like the illegality of it makes it appealing to all who want to make the big bucks..who are we kidding? We just get to fund the revolving door of some being sent to prison..does nothing toward stopping it..the drug war is a joke and i am tired of hearing about it..Education of our children like the ill effects of smoking cigarettes and high taxation expense might stop it.. And lets keep it illegal..especially since it has been found to cure cancer..don’t want that happening either..that could potentially stop a lot of radiation and chemotherapy..You are right..It is BAD!!!!
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:48am
  Actually, no. I’d settle for leaving it up to the states (without threat from the Feds). But if the Fed’s feel compelled to ban it I’d go for a Constitutional amendment. Why is that so hard?
  
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- 101stIraqVet
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 4:24pm
  Jump to conclusions much? Where did I say I was against legalization? I don’t smoke it, but I really couldn’t care less if anyone else does.
  
  The legalization issue sure as heck isn’t on the radar for me though. There are far more concerning issues to worry about.
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 8:13pm
  you threw it out…we hit it.
  
  peace my brother
  
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Zipit
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:24am
And, RonPaul supporters must bite the bullet, and do what is necessary to get rid of Obama!

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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:33am
  It’s a shame when you have to pander for votes. Doing what’s right for the country should be enough. We are so divided as a country…
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:36am
  The problem is…They’re not.
  
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- Zipit
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:57am
  I like Ron Paul! I like Gary Johnson! But C’MON folks. If looking at the big picture is not at this moment in time, the most important thing, we could be facing four more years of incremental tyranny!
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 11:21am
  @ZIPIT,
  
  You mean that we ARE facing 4 more years of tyranny. There is no maybe anymore.
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:31pm
  I posit that we are facing four more years of incremental tyranny, no matter WHICH of the two major party candidates are “elected”.
  
  Prove me wrong, please.
  
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- Individualism
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:32pm
  use judges for that since congress won’t do it.
  
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Gary_K
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:24am
Romney needs to stop being a wet noodle and inspire people more.

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- Searchingforthelight
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 10:14am
  If I want inspiration I’ll watch G.B. If I want balanced budget, not being a slave to foreign oil, more jobs,
  a Stronger Nation that adheres to the principals of the Constitution, a Leader who will Lead and not bow down when it concerns the very existence of myself and my family, I will vote Romney 2012!
  
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- Norm D. Plume
  Posted on September 20, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Heheh… Romney… balanced budget…
  
  I didn’t know Republicans were comedians!
  
  LOL.
  
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TWO BITS
Posted on September 20, 2012 at 9:23am
An eye-popping sixteen trillion dollar national debt affects 100% of the population, so this country has passed the point of pontification.

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