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Priest Delivers Striking Spoken-Word Performance Lambasting ‘Reckless’ Anti-Gay Pastors & Clarifying the Church’s Stance on Homosexuality
Fr. Pontifex is a unique blend of rap artist, spoken word performer and Catholic priest. His work, which we’ve featured before, takes on tough societal issues and tackles them through uniquely creative video performances. In the past, he has addressed atheism, the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate, and other related topics. This week, he released his most controversial performance to date — “Yes to You,” a video about homosexuality.
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In the intense clip, Fr. Pontifex takes aim at America’s sex-infused culture and has some tough words for judgmental and anti-gay pastors, preachers who remain silent on the issue — and, inevitably, those who live a gay lifestyle. While he derides faith leaders who have harmed relations between homosexuals and religious communities, he also notes the Catholic Church’s stance against gay marriage.
“I never knew of anyone who found freedom from a hate speech in Jesus name — reckless pastors, who judge, condemn and leave a soul to feel alone,” the priest proclaims in the spoken word performance. “Called to shepherd God’s people, not cast the first stone. And other leaders do no favors by cowardly choosing silence — they fail to speak the truth, and offer no guidance.”
Aside from the intriguing performance, the video is unique in that its words truly seek to reach every person and entity under the umbrella of the homosexual debate. While Fr. Pontifex tells viewers that the Church opposes the gay lifestyle, he’s also adamant that Catholic leaders are willing to help homosexuals.
“Same sex attraction doesn’t define you and can be set in place,” Fr. Pontifex proclaims in the clip, later adding, “Identity is a choice — a lifestyle is something you embrace.”
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The priest also notes that there’s “a difference between unchosen sexual attraction and chosen identity.” Regardless of “nature or nurture,” many people with same-sex attraction “didn’t choose this struggle,” he contends.
In an e-mail to TheBlaze, Fr. Pontifex explained his motivation for making such a controversial video. He’s hoping that people will watch it and realize, regardless of their circumstances, that they are loved. Rather than turn people off to God and the Bible, Fr. Pontifex is hoping that the video will let people know, in a respectful way, what the Catholic Church teaches about homosexuality, while also telling them that they are loved.
“Many times we get caught up talking about issues but we are not dealing with issues we are dealing with people,” he explained. “At times, the Christian message has been misrepresented and as a result has driven people away from the Lord.”
Watch “Yes to You,” below:
Regardless of how kindly the message is delivered, though, it’s likely that people will take offense at the mere notion that Fr. Pontifex is speaking out against homosexuality. However, if some find themselves offended, the priest has a message for them: Take another look and the clip and pay close attention to what’s being said.
“The purpose of the video is certainly not to offend but to give good information about what the Catholic Church teaches,” he explained. “There is a growing misunderstanding that the Church is against those who struggle with SSA (Same Sex Attraction). That simply is not true.”
While being attracted to the same sex isn’t a sin, acting out and living a gay lifestyle, in Fr. Pontifex’s view, is. But he didn’t limit his criticisms to gays only. He had a powerful message to everyone who engages in sexual activity outside the confines of what the Christian faith would allow.
“Sin also resides in the heterosexual that is sexually active outside the bond of marriage,” he continued.
We’ll leave you will the behind-the-scenes footage, during which Fr. Pontifex explains why he produced the video:
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Gita
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:42amBack in 1917 Our Lady of Fatima spoke to the three shepherd children about diabolical disorientation beginning in the late 20th century. Her message as always is to pray the rosary for the conversion of sinners. I have been praying the rosary for all catholics to return to the fullness of the church. Please join me in this powerful prayer and we will light up this ever darkening world.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:02amGITA… pray for all God’s children, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, for we are all sinners and in need of prayers.
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MONICNE
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:22amPlease pray for peace and harmony in America.
Today is USA POW-MIA Recognition Day. Pray for those who have not yet returned from battle and those they left behind, honor their courage and sacrifice, and give thanks for their service.
Thanks to those who tirelessly work to bring POW and MIA service member friends, loved ones and families the peace they have been without so long.
POW/MIA 21-912
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floridareader
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:39pmMary Immaculate is the United States patroness. We need Her now maybe more than ever. All of us, Catholics and non-Catholics.
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Gita
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:48pmPax Of course I pray for the conversion of sinners but at this time of an assault on religious freedom I am also praying for all catholics to vote in this election based on the non negotiables of our faith.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:04pmAh. Amen, Amen!
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:57pmThere are a few posters here, that are so deluded that they think that what they believe can alter the truth. These people cannot be reasoned with, nor can their viewpoints be challenged in any reasonable fashion. These are “dogmatists”, and come in all shades of self absorption. Any body who believes that a truly delusional person can be reasoned with is deluded himself. Debating with these people can be good sport, but in the end is a non-productive exercise….In other words…don’t waste your time.
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dirtypolitics
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:01pmAmen. Also pray for the defeat of Godless ideology.
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Itsourtime
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:15pmOur Lady gave us this prayer to be said after each decade. Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.
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atkinson7475lamar
Posted on September 28, 2012 at 12:10pmi pray with you, i feel like if one cant agree with the church then go make your own policies and start your own church. dont come to a church that you know wount agree with your life,or dont try and change me in my house where i come to fellowship with my brothers and sisters. then if god is with you then your church will do well,if not then you will know and there for have your answer
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:21amPontifex is such a cool name
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:39amThat is no priest of God. I would ask him if he himself is gay???
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joboww
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:20pmthanks Rap, what an amazing response with such profound thought put into it, definatly one can now see your view….wait I must have read something else and have now been confused
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Pio
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:50pmDo you even understand what he meant? He is not accepting homosexuality actions only the people. God loves everyone, they are all His creation. It has always been the position of the Church to Love the sinner and hate the sin. Fornification whether between same sex couples or opposite sex couples is forbidden. Some people cannot help feelings they may have, the Church is trying to help them to get those feelings undercontrol and to let them be defined by God not sexual urges.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 11:10amJOBOWW & PIO
(1) Catholicism is not the church, it is s perversion of the church, it is a cult. So he can invite all the homosexuals he wants into Catholicism
(2) At 1:47 into the video he calls it “Unchosen sexual attraction” Can you define this for me? This is word games and I have seen many of these from cults like catholicism, mormonism, SDA JW and on and on.
If it is not CHOSEN by the person then it must be a created element so who has the power of creation? There is only one of two choices
A, The person chose to be gay
b. They were made gay
Both of you are lacking discernment
(3)I ask if the presenter in the video is gay, do you both know that there are estimates that the priesthood is up to 40% homosexual in the catholic church? Did you know this?
(4) If the presenter is seeking God then why would he join the organization that moves pedophiles from one place to another all the while these man are destroying young children’s lives?
The catholic church is the servant of satan.
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joboww
Posted on September 27, 2012 at 10:29amRap
1) Give evidence, its easy to make statements but you don’t back them up so I will do the same back to you, go back to your fundamentalist sect
2) Something can be unchoosen in that we having concupiscence do the things and are attracted to do wrong just as Paul said because of original sin. I for instance was attracted to porn for a long while and still struggle from time to time, but I do not act out on this desire to see it. So too when people have same sex attraction they must understand the the action itself is clearly disordered, but that doesn’t mean they cannot live chastely with the help of others including the clergy and the teachings of the church (was I born to look at porn…no, did I choose for a while to look at such yes, but it all lies in the intention, the temptation is there but if you reject the temptation you passed, so pray for those with SSA Mr. Rock thrower
3) Congrats maybe you should read Goodbye Goodmen by Michael Rose, we have known this for a while, people sin…tell us something new rock thrower
4) Mr. Protestant throws out the perpetual pedophile remark not knowing that pedophilia was not the issue since the great majority of the abused were post pubesant, hense it showed a problem with SSA clergy which should have never been ordained. Plus if we are going to get into numbers all you need to do is search for protestant and catholic abuse and see what pops up
5) You are a tool who needs to repent like the rest of us…my prayers
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woodyee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:18amGod is not the only judge – so are we. We do not “judge” who goes to Heaven or H3!!, but pray our society never gives in and fails to judge abhorrent behavior. Homosexuality is a crime against Nature and a crime against humanity. It is a crime against marriage and a crime against children. It is a crime against ones self.
Judged to have been a psychiatric malady up until the 70′s, it is interesting to note that the chief psychiatric mucky-muck behind the decision to call it “natural”, recanted some 20yrs later. But, much like Gaybama and his pecadillos, we haven’t heard about it because it doesn’t fit the mold or interests of all groups that have a hatred for all that is Christian or American. See Obama and the Vatcian (7mins) here –
http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2012-09-18
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:32amYeah, lets defend our ignorance and bigotry with the Bible, I am sure God would approve of that.
Git-R-Done
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:26amEncinom – You mean you weren’t being hateful by hoping that Billy Graham would die from eating at Chick Fil A? You have no room to call anybody else ignorant and bigoted when you’re both of those things.
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Wango
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:34amGIT-R-DUM . . .Why would Billy Graham eat at a restaurant that promotes gay living?
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:55amSorry encinom, you’re still full of it…..the gay person is a child of God. The act of gay sex is deadly. The judgement of God is final. God loves his children, every last one.
What makes this an issue with Christians, is that God judges ‘nations’ and judges the nations by their customs(laws). The day that we made abortion legal we signed our own death warrant.
There is a great delusion cast upon the earth…That delusion is that the laws and precepts of the Creator God, YHVH, are mutable to serve the shallow ideas of mankind. All of the Lord’s rules are there to guide his children back into his embrace. Whatever we do that does not fit with that concept is ‘sin’. These preachers and priests that teach ANYTHING else will bear an awful judgement. Pray that this robed devil is taken down where he can repent. He also is a child of God and as of yet is NOT judged. I can rebuke his message, and must do so. He leadeth the children astray.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:10pm@MAx,
Here’s the thing, I don;t care about your dogma, we are a secular republic, our laws are drafted by men. Believe what you want but do not force me or any other American to live according to your beliefs. If you want your religious views to be the foundation of law move to a theocracy.
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JRook
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:28pm“religious views to be the foundation of law move to a theocracy” Be a little tough for the group here who consistent demonizes the theocracies in the middle east and then promote one here …… wouldn’t it. Or I’m i once again assuming a level of rationalization that is beyond the angry mob.
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Amos37
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:28pmActually max, you are wrong. Haven’t you read where God says Satan has children here, too? What about cain? He was the offspring of Satan and Eve. you better start studying the book every day.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:48pmJRook
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:28pm
“religious views to be the foundation of law move to a theocracy” Be a little tough for the group here who consistent demonizes the theocracies in the middle east and then promote one here …… wouldn’t it. Or I’m i once again assuming a level of rationalization that is beyond the angry mob.
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Its not tough, its just the heights of hypocrisy that the average beckerhead dwells in. the denounce Islamic theocracy, while demanding that the American Secular Republic be replaced by a Conservative Christian Theocracy and in the mean time our secular laws be interpreted based on their understand of their holy book of myths.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:00pmEncinom…..My Dog “Maw”,just had a seizure. And personally, I don’t care what you think, or do or believe. I’m not an Evangelist. I am a realist. The instant you die, however that happens, you will know much more about this subject than you do now. I will not judge, nor condemn any one, but while I am alive, I will do whatever I can to protect innocents from the “dogma” you espouse. You seem to be way more dogmatic than I. If speaking the truth is against your ‘religion’, (yes, son you are religious in your rebellion), then reap what you sow. Who am I to force you to do anything? The whole of my belief is based on free will, free thinking. Freedom to choose. The problem I have with your ‘dogma’, is that you want to ‘force’ me into accepting laws and customs that injure and damage people. I will stand against it. If for no other reason than I am free to do so.
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Bodankeu
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:07pmEncinom,
Check your history. We are a Christian nation, founded as “One Nation under God” (quoted from our pledge of allegiance). You are free to follow whatever religion you choose, but don’t re-write history and tell us we are a secular nation.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:11pmAMOS…..There is only one soul condemned. that is Satan. All the others, yes, even cain, have the opportunity to repent.”WHOEVER will” repent and accept the will of God in the name of Christ. These beings are the children of God, and according to scripture are eligible to accept, and be redeemed. I would not bet on much of that happening, but it is a possibility. We’ll have a thousand years to work on it.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:36pm“The whole of my belief is based on free will, free thinking. Freedom to choose. The problem I have with your ‘dogma’, is that you want to ‘force’ me into accepting laws and customs that injure and damage people. I will stand against it. If for no other reason than I am free to do so.”
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Poor Maxie, you are confused by your own beliefs, you can not argue that you support free will, when in the every next sentence you are opposed to laws that protect the freedom of citizens to act upon their free will and reject the teachings of your religion. No body is forcing you to accept customs or practices you disagree with, what they are demanding is that their rights to live as they see fit not be infringed upon and restricted by laws based on your beliefs. They want the free will to decide for themselves and a government that treats them as equal citizens. You are so blinded by the bible that you can not see you own illogical dogma. You are arguing for a theocracy where everyone is free to conform to your religion.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:14pmencinom….I understand your point. The only thing about it is that I fear God more than I love you or your “rights”. I’m not worried about your soul, or your relationship with God, you will meet both, soon.
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DoseofReality
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:46pmBodank…You do realize that the original pledge of allegiance did not include the “under God’…neither did our currency. This was all added in the 50s…..
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scarebear83
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:41pmEncinom: “Believe what you want but do not force me or any other American to live according to your beliefs”
Then might I suggest finding a country in which stealing, killing, pedophilia, bestiality, lying etc. is tolerated. Those things aren’t permitted in the Christian way of living. But here’s the thing, we can’t tell you that you have to believe as we do when it comes to religion…. HOWEVER you do not have the right to tell us we can’t live our lives according to our religion barring it’s not destructive in the sense it would put one’s well being at risk. That also means politicians, government workers, private workers etc. should not have to check their religious beliefs at the door prior to work. Being a Christian is not something you can do between the hours of 5-9 and then stop between the hours of 9-5.
No one is wanting a theocracy, far from it. However our principles and laws were founded upon Christianity: “From the day of the Declaration, the people of the North American Union and of its constituent States, were associated bodies of civilized men and Christians, in a state of nature; but not of Anarchy. They were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.” -John Quincy Adams
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 4:28pm@scarebear83
Nobody is telling you how to live your life, even while you are attempting to dictate how others live theirs. As for government workers, if a government worker can not separate their duty to the law from their religious beliefs than they are not fit for the job they hold. As a secular republic our laws are what govern not anyone individual’s religious beliefs. New York State recognizes same sex marriages, it is the law of the land, what power those a government clerk have to impose his beliefs above the law and deny a same sex couple a marriage certificate. His job is to carry out the laws of the State of New York, not the religious views of bronze age goat herders. Christians are not the arbiters of who receives what rights in this nation, that is a power found in theocracies.
I can quote a founder also:
What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not. [Pres. James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 1785]
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 7:17pmEncinom…..Ok I leave the dogma out of it…Lets approach this from a political view. Since what you are supporting here today could be seen as a liberal argument, I, still, stand against. The current administration is scavenging the dregs of society for a voting base. appealing to America’s unwashed, promising them my money in exchange for their support at the polls. If your viewpoint must rely on this ‘progressive’ atmosphere to gain plausible credibility. Then I oppose you for the same reasons I oppose socialism, communism, nazism, and fascism.
With today’s polarization, political and cultural, and seeing as your base is associated with the administration(obviously,) I rebuke you and condemn the whole movement.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 7:36pmMax jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 7:17pm
Encinom…..Ok I leave the dogma out of it…Lets approach this from a political view. Since what you are supporting here today could be seen as a liberal argument, I, still, stand against. The current administration is scavenging the dregs of society for a voting base. appealing to America’s unwashed, promising them my money in exchange for their support at the polls. If your viewpoint must rely on this ‘progressive’ atmosphere to gain plausible credibility. Then I oppose you for the same reasons I oppose socialism, communism, nazism, and fascism.
With today’s polarization, political and cultural, and seeing as your base is associated with the administration(obviously,) I rebuke you and condemn the whole movement.
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So you don’t have an actual argument, so you resort to blind hatred of the other. You are against it, cause the other is for it, such perfect child like logic. Its not even a political argument, at least a political argument you would counter with something. Are to against jobs for vets because the Democrats supported that bill? Do you look for the Beck stamp of approval before you believe in something. What a perfect none thinking sheep you are. Who are these dregs of society, the 47%, which includes returning vets and hard working families?
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 7:41pmencinom….I have no doubt that we will all be relocated very soon. We have done nasty things to our children and we will be called to bear. As a citizen of this nation, I share my part of the culpability for the decline of moral righteousness. When you decide to accept your share of the culpability, and try to understand that the things you are pushing for so enthusiastically hurt the innocent and lead impressionable young minds into lives of deviance and selfishness, I will reconsider. That is not likely. As far as I am concerned it is time to cut ya’ll loose and allow you to disappear into perdition.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:35pmENCINOM, OWS is a fairly accurate portrait of the dregs. The he/she whores who “work’ Union Square fit the description. Those that patronize said whores fit, too. I’m sure you get my drift…..there is a voting block there. Any one who just can’t get clean any longer, because pleasure is most important. I’m sure you know the type. Hedonistic, self congratulating, pleasure seeking egomaniacs who believe the world turns around them. Kind of like sexual deviants who think their debasement should be celebrated in weddings, with flowers and fine food, you know your ‘friends’.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:04pm@Max,
You are a sad, depressed man. Your religion instead of being uplifitng has filled you with nothing more than bile and bigotry. Your posts oozes of pararnoia, it reeks of stench of a person unable to see the joy in life, one blind to the goodness in the world and can only be bitter. A typical Christian, you ignore your life and its joy and wait for an apocolypse.
The persons voting for Obama are the hard working union members who work long hours to feed their families, the sngle mothers struggling to get by, the partners, who despite your bias, do love each other and are fight for the full rights of citizenship. These are not the dregs of society, these are the fibers that binds society together.
I pity you, unable to see the nation moving closer to the promise of equality for all.
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scarebear83
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 12:49amEncinom: Sorry I had to sign in and forgot to hit the reply button under Woodyee but my response is on page two if you would care to read it.
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Max jones
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 1:31amENCINOM….I hope that you are prepared to to pay for all that, son, cause this overspending system we have can’t do it without turning the machine of capitalism loose on the problem. You know, the frugal educated “conservative “and mostly Christian citizens. The people who actually ‘pay’ taxes, and don’t take more than they put in to the system. The wicked 1%. You don’t want to believe that, I am sure.
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BLAZINGTRUTH
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:06am~Priest words;“Called to shepherd God’s people, not cast the first stone”~MY words; Gays cast the 1st stone by demanding approval from society!~HIS words;“At times, the Christian message has been misrepresented and as a result has driven people away from the Lord.”~MY words;Yes-by those who wish to ignore the Bible.~HIS words;“There is a growing misunderstanding that the Church is against those who struggle with SSA.~MY words;It’s easier to blame the church,rather than seek Gods word.The vast majority with SSA don’t STRUGGLE with it,they promote it;~HIS words;“Sin also resides in the heterosexual that is sexually active outside the bond of marriage~MY words;The hetero group doesn’t run around ranting, crying,protesting,demanding that society approve of them.~ HIS words;Catholic leaders are willing to help homosexuals.~MY words; ANY mainline pastor is willing to help homosexuals,IF,they seek it out-FEW do!~HIS words;“Called to shepherd God’s people”~MY words;True, but “sheep” COMPLY!~HIS words; other leaders fail to speak the truth, and offer no guidance.~MY words; Oh they speak the truth, but the “audience” isn’t listening!~HIS words;we get caught up talking about issues but we are not dealing with issues we are dealing with people,~MY words; We are dealing with people “WITH” issues!~~~MY finale 2cents; There ARE absolutes in life, whats right & whats wrong. It’s ALWAYS those on the wrong side of any issue that intentionally distort truth by ranti
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woodyee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:21amWell put. You are a candidate for churchmilitant.tv. I’m not joking – it’s good stuff, and a great place to go when you’re done reading The Blaze.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:30amDemanding equal rights in a secular republic is not casting the first stone. Religion and the Taliban Christians need to remember their place, they do not make the laws, we are not a theocracy.
Your post is another example of the bible based bigotry that Christians spew on these boards.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:50amOh please, equal rights? You’re going to go out on THAT? I don’t have the right to marry woodyee, but you don’t see me putting on S&M lingerie and prancing in parades.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:57am“~HIS words;“Sin also resides in the heterosexual that is sexually active outside the bond of marriage~MY words;The hetero group doesn’t run around ranting, crying,protesting,demanding that society approve of them.
So their sin should be over looked because they don’t flaunt it?
~ HIS words;Catholic leaders are willing to help homosexuals.~MY words; ANY mainline pastor is willing to help homosexuals,IF,they seek it out-FEW do”
So because only a few seek help the rest should burn, nor should the message be tempered in love to draw more than would be otherwise? Will there be those who will be stubborn of heart? Yes. Do we give up on them? Does a shepherd give up looking for the one for the sake of the flock, or does he go searching anyways?
“… intentionally distort truth by ranti[ng]….” He wasn’t ranting nor distorting the truth.
WOODYEE… Michael Voris is a great Catholic with solid understanding of the Churches teachings. He would not object to the message given from Fr. Pontifex.
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BLAZINGTRUTH
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:11amENCINOM–Are you SOoooooo corrupted that you don’t see that they DO have equal rights-they CAN marry a woman! Can you not grasp that their(gays) bodies should “indicate” to them that they don’t have the right “plumbing” for that, they they were designed for something else? Pretty simple logic huh? Why don’t we see gays marching etc in muslim countries, even they know it’s not normal human behavior. Don’t answer,,,,just keep pushing the distortions.
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mtcountrygrl
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:15am@Encino
Gay marriage is not “equal rights” it’s “special rights”. In society we decide how we define certain things, for instance in Muslim nations it is okay to take multiple wives and many do not have a minimum age. In America, we define marriage as one man, one woman, over 18 and not first related closer than 2nd cousins. This IS our definition of marriage. If you want a license for a state approved marriage, you have to meet that criteria. Now if you want to enter into a relationship outside that criteria, because we are a free country, you are free to do that without fear of persecution (within some exceptions – child molestation is still illegal). It will just not be a legal, state accepted marriage as defined by society. People have voted time and time again, that this is the definition of marriage. Gays want to get “special rights” not “equal rights”.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:06pmBLAZINGTRUTH
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:11am
ENCINOM–Are you SOoooooo corrupted that you don’t see that they DO have equal rights-they CAN marry a woman!
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I love how you bigots repeat the same arguments of the Southern Racists that argued in support of laws that blocked mixed race marriages. History truly repeats itself.
The right to marry the partner of your choice is a basic civil right as the Supreme Court noted as it handed down its decision is Loving v. Virgina. Homosexuals are not asking for special rights, no more than the Lovings were asking for special rights when they sued Virgina to recognize their right to marry. The wife of Neil Armstrong will receive the full federal benefits that the spouses of Astronauts and veterans receive, Sally Rides partner will receive nothing. Partners of soldiers, marines and sailors who are injured have no right to visit them in hospitals nor do they receive death benefits.
This is not a struggle for special rights, it is for equal rights. Damn your religion, since the only arguments being made to deny fellow Americans equal rights are bigoted ones based on a book of myths and fairy tales. We are a secular republic, leave your bible based bigotry in your temples of hate.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:08pmQuite right BLAZINGTRUTH….It is the governmental sanction of “sin”, that does the damage in this world. Just like the the abortion issue. The day Roe v. Wade became the law of the land we started on our way to captivity. Sinners can be saved, a nation in defiance is judged much more harshly Look at the poor youngsters in this country, raised up in this fetid, progressive swamp. Poorly educated and sexualized to a fault……There is your proof.
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K-10Clark
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:17pmWhile I used to agree with the sentiments made above, I am compelled to appeal to not only the logical side of you but also the compassionate side. Matthew Vines has a video on You Tube that elloquently and succinctly delineates the real issue in this debate: it is not whether people want to obey God or not. Rather the issue should be what God’s word really says about homosexuality in general, and same gender monogamy in particular. Matthew is a Harvard student who took 2 years off to study this issue and has done a phenomenal job presenting both sides of the argument, without being offensive to anyone. I highly highly Highly recommend it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:14pmMax jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:08pm
Quite right BLAZINGTRUTH….It is the governmental sanction of “sin”, that does the damage in this world. Just like the the abortion issue. The day Roe v. Wade became the law of the land we started on our way to captivity. Sinners can be saved, a nation in defiance is judged much more harshly Look at the poor youngsters in this country, raised up in this fetid, progressive swamp. Poorly educated and sexualized to a fault……There is your proof.
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Do yourself and this nation a favor and move to some god forsaken theocracy. From you comments you seem unable to live in a land where people are free to live lives in ways that you disagree with. Find so theocracy where every one is free to conform to your religion, there you will be happy in Christian tyranny.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:46pmDon’t try comparing gay ‘marriage’ to civil rights in front of a black man. He may just punch you in the face.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 4:30pmThe_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:46pm
Don‘t try comparing gay ’marriage’ to civil rights in front of a black man. He may just punch you in the face.
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Oppressed group demanding equal rights, its the same thing. Nobody has any rights if the tyranny of the majority can oppress the rights of any minority group.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:30pmENCINOM wrote…”No does God’s law actually matter. Its man’s laws that rule this country. The problem is that there are still too many Christians that want to replace the secular republic with a theocracy. Our laws and rights are not based on God’s law, but the laws of man.”
I believe you’ll get what you want, if there is time. God is being replaced with a worldly hodgepodge of philosophies and pseudo-theocracies, meant to soothe and shush the population, as a centuries old plan of world conquest is brought to fruition. All of this “back and forth” is nothing but record keeping. You will know the difference very soon. Anything I say is merely to give you a basis for your imminent apology.
We both represent a social microcosm. Mine is tied to eternity and yours to anal penetration.
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australianguy
Posted on October 11, 2012 at 10:28amK-10CLARK, that video from Matthew Vines only provides a superficial level of detail on the orthodox side, and a large amount of detail for the other side. In other words, its very one sided. Google for refutations of the video and you become aware of how misleading the video is. EG http://www.christianpost.com/news/theologians-find-vines-homosexuality-is-not-a-sin-thesis-not-persuasive-82341/pageall.html
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Robert2078
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:05amIt’s not hate to identify those who are living a life of sin and that hate Christianity because they (Homosexuals, and others) can’t stand the idea that they will be judged by God for their perpetually deviant life style. It’s that simple. This “Priest” (I’m Catholic and think he’s full of it) is falling into the liberal mind trap that you can’t defend the Word of God without being a hater. Were just supposed to accept and promote the deviant life style. Don’t bother trying to live our lives according to the Word of God and encourage others to do the same. Let me sum it all up. Liberal infiltrators are in our government, our schools and our churches. Their goal is to disrupt and breakdown traditional God fearing family values (among other things) and force us to reject the Word of God for their Utopian anything goes ideology of deviancy and sin.
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.” – Isaiah 5:20
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Sugabee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:31amRobert: If you truly are Catholic, you would not put this Priest’s title in quotation marks. If you disagree with his stand, that’s fine – but he took the solemn holy vows and received the Sacrament of Holy Orders, so be respectful!
Second – NOWHERE in his video does he “accept and promote the deviant life style”!! You obviously either did not watch it, or did not listen to the words closely enough. He is saying, basically, the old adage of “hate the sin; love the sinner”. The homosexual lifestyle is sinful, but we ALL are sinners of some sort – so welcome them and help them OUT of the sinful lifestyle. He even calls out HETEROsexuals on their sinfulness for having sex outside of the Sacrament of Marriage!
As for your quotation of Isaiah 5:20…. read it and then look in the mirror.
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joboww
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:49pmthank you Sug…someone who actually listened and didnt start angry
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:03pmROBERT2078…I’m a conspiracy “realist”, and I think this situation you describe has been in the works for a looong time and has recently been coalesced into a supernaturally driven crusade. It basically is a push to remove the reality of Christ from past, present and future. The “encinoms” of this world are victims of this supernatural force, and can be counted among the casualties of war. They are done. It won’t be long and they will not even be remembered. Sad, but since they started out, they have been marked for this. Some, had to do it, I suppose. We can’t even wish them well, or Godspeed.
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Sugabee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:37pmJoboww, You’re welcome. I must admit, I did start a bit angry because of the anti-Catholic bigotry. :)
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:08pmTHIRDARCHON….Wow… you got it all wrong….The “rules “are there as a guide. An instruction manual that is presented on three levels. 1. Life as a man on earth and how to make the most of it. Life as a man in trouble, needing day to day help, and 3. Life as a child of God, sharing the good news of Christ and His defeat of death.
Christians know that God loves his children and wants them all to “choose” to love him. We were directed by Christ to take that message to the world. If that looks like tyranny, Then you are not ready. We’ve been given information that tells us that nations that reject God don’t fare very well, and we have historical records of just that. So, kill the messenger, why dont-cha? It takes more guts these days to speak of God’s word than it takes to walk around as a 240# transvestite.
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Turrbine
Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:19amWhen Jesus approached the mob who were about to stone the woman for adultery and asked that he who among them was without sin to throw the first stone and the mob slowly left as they all began to understand that they were all sinners. The biggest point in this and the one that Fr. Pontifex is trying to get across is that after the mob had left he told the woman to go and sin no more. He is relaying the same message. Since we all sin this is the great commission. Should we persist in our sin then we endeavor to do grave damage to our souls and our relationship with God. Today we witness a tremendous movement in our society to normalize sinful behavior, to make it seem good and decent, to dress it up as something to strive for in many cases. All Jesus is asking is to go and sin no more. The Catholic Church views the homosexual act as disordered. It fully empathizes with those who are struggling with same sex attraction as well as other disordered behaviors, but the Church is also asking us as Jesus did to go and sin no more.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:50amI understand that this otherwise reasonable pastor just wants to help, is only doing what he thinks is best, but his mind is still clouded by theistic nonsense nevertheless, and as a result he condemns the actions of a huge swath of humanity for no reason other than an unjustified appeal to authority–pray tell, priest, WHY is it immoral? What CONSEQUENCES make it so? “Because God,” a God you have not and can never prove, is no firm basis at all–for even IF you had proven God’s existence, and that God had said as much, it’s not ENOUGH that even God itself says so–God must have a REASON for saying so, or else he is nothing more than a petty and arbitrary tyrant. The most powerful one yes, but a tyrant nonetheless, and not deserving respect or love.
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ZAP
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:06am“Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”
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skypilot77
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:12amThe authority of God comes from the fact that He is the Creator.
He created our existence. He makes up the rules. He is not the tyrant you claim as He gives choice to humans to lovingly obey Him or not.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:25amA valid question. Here is what happens when society accepts homosexuality, it’s a pretty thorough case study of Massachusets. I bet many people here didn’t know some of this.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm_2012/index.html
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:32amTHE THIRD ARCHON… “… theistic nonsense….” Because you disagree and don’t believe.
“… condemns the actions of a huge swath of humanity for no reason…. ” Because you fail to understand.
“WHY is it immoral? What CONSEQUENCES make it so?” Because the act is incongruent with the design and function of the human body.
“… a God you have not and can never prove, is no firm basis at all…” Nor can He be disproven. You reject out of human intellectual pride.
“… it’s not ENOUGH that even God itself says so–God must have a REASON for saying so….” He did and does say, “It is an abomination.”, and the reason is that it does not give life, but is a selfish act based on self gratification.
“… not deserving respect or love.” Then your earthly parents do not deserve your respect nor love after they taught you, out of love for you, the ways that will keep you safe and healthy.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:17am@PAX
“…Because you disagree and don’t believe…Because you fail to understand.”
Yes and no–I understand but disagree, and reject it because it has no logically sound justification proffered. I base my BELIEFS on logic, not LOGIC on my beliefs.
““WHY is it immoral?…incongruent with the design and function of the human body.”
That’s true of every technology ever. Just because something isn’t “natural” (arguably a nonsensical distinction anyway, since it all happens within the physical universe, and thus nothing ISN’T dervied from “nature”)
““… a God you have…human intellectual pride.”
No, I reject because in the absence of a basis to accept a claim, one should not accept it–skepticism should be the default position of the rational claim. Nothing believed without REASON to believe, and an ESPECIALLY extraordinary claim requires ESPECIALLY extraordinary proof.
“… it’s … reason is that it does not give life, but is a selfish act based on self gratification.
CALLING it an abomination is not a justification. Many human actions do not give rise to life and are purely self gratifying (eating chocolate, etc.)–none of them are considered immoral. Those facts alone are not sufficient to make an act immoral.
“… not deserving …safe and healthy.”
But unlike theists, they gave REASONS for their beliefs and commands. And where those warrants were GOOD, I accepted them as persuasive–where they were lacking or unsound, they were mis
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:35amTTA – It’s hypocritical of you to consider God to be a tyrant when you believe in a tyrannical ideology.
Even if I were an atheist, I’d be embarrassed by stupid people like you. You claim to believe in reason and science yet there’s no evidence for homosexuality being born that way and you still believe that lie. You’ve also never heard of this concept called natural law.
You’re just an anti-Christian bigot.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:47pm@GIT
Wrong on all counts, as usual.
1) I’m an anarcho-syndicalist–as such I believe in democracy not ONLY in the political sphere, but int he economic sphere is well. Unlike in the STATUS QUO, where the means of wealth generation, and (unsurprisingly as a result) the distribution of wealth generated therefrom, disproportionately is controlled and goes to an infinitesimally small aristocracy of plutocrats, I believe that the WHOLE of participants in the economy should determine value, not just the FEW rich and powerful who OF COURSE will value what they “do” (extract rents from ownership of the capital goods, i.e. means of production) more than anything else. But go ahead, be a good docile little sheep and hope your masters will throw you a crust.
2) Natural law is a thinly-veiled way of justifying your preconceived notions of morality–point to me where nature promulgates laws. Nature is hardly a priori moral–it takes merely the most cursory of studies of the state of nature to know this.
3) Again wrong–unlike how Christians view homosexuals, I don’t oppose Christianity for NO reason, but instead because it is based upon unsubstantiated metaphysical assumptions and appeals to authority that have PRECISELY the effect and purpose of justifying the preconceived notions about morality and truth that causes the arbitrary and warrantless discrimination at issue. It excuses logical laziness and sloppiness on the part of fools, to the great detriment of morality.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:48pmv@ZAP
Guilty of the same circuitous appeal to authority based upon an appeal to authority.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 12:49pm@SKY
Power and authority are not the same thing–for might does not make right. Only a grounding in REASONS can justify a proposition. To claim “it is right because God commands it” is no better than to say “it is ONLY right because God says so,” but not appeal to authority in its own right, no matter how powerful the authority, MAKES something justified–the divine command theory you invoke is nothing but an appeal to divine authority fallacy. If the morality of any act ISN’T based upon the CONSEQUENCES of that act with regards to things of moral value (human capacity for example), then it is based upon NOTHING at all.
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skypilot77
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:54pmI made no such claim that it is right because God commands it.
I made the claim that it is right because God is the Creator.
And with Him power and authority go hand-in-hand. With the power to create He has the authority to command. It is His creation.
He establishes what is moral among humans based upon His creatorship
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:17pmskypilot77
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:54pm
I made no such claim that it is right because God commands it.
I made the claim that it is right because God is the Creator.
And with Him power and authority go hand-in-hand. With the power to create He has the authority to command. It is His creation.
He establishes what is moral among humans based upon His creatorship
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According solely to your beliefs, those that do not share your beliefs find this an illogical as saying some random rock on the ground is the bringing of law and the decider of what is moral. What of other religions or do we not care. We are not a theocracy, our laws are not divine but man made. To appeal to sky father for authority to judge and determine the freedoms of others has no place in the secular republic the founders left, let alone in the modern world. Your argument is no different than the arguments that the Taliban make to justify their laws.
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The Third Archon
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:30pm^^What this guy said.
Besides, whether or not you said “because God” explicitly is irrelevant–the appeal to authority is based upon the STATUS of the authority figure appealed to, rather than the LOGIC of what they say (regardless of WHOM they are, be they man, or God Himself)–THAT is the critical cause of the fallacy.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 3:48pmComment derailment: Check
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:31pmTHETHIRDARCHON….You sir, or madame, are the most sophisticated thinker in the room today. Your understanding of the misunderstanding is astounding; and may I say, that in all my travels, I have never heard such language used, or mis-used, as the case may be. The preponderance of the esteem you hold for your mastery of the logical, is, without doubt, proof of the inestimable weight that you place on the language and nuance of our immortalized, classical mentors and poets. Dare I say…Sophocles, himself, would stand in the wings, in dread of following your ensample.
Really, really great!
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:39pmTHETHIRDARCHON……..
THIRDARCHON….Wow… you got it all wrong….The “rules ”are there as a guide. An instruction manual that is presented on three levels. 1. Life as a man on earth and how to make the most of it. Life as a man in trouble, needing day to day help, and 3. Life as a child of God, sharing the good news of Christ and His defeat of death.
Christians know that God loves his children and wants them all to “choose” to love him. We were directed by Christ to take that message to the world. If that looks like tyranny, Then you are not ready. We‘ve been given information that tells us that nations that reject God don’t fare very well, and we have historical records of just that. So, kill the messenger, why dont-cha? It takes more guts these days to speak of God’s word than it takes to walk around as a 240# black transvestite.
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The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:33pmMax jones you said it well. There’s really no debating some one who is the diametric opposite of everything you know, believe and love. It’s no wonder he’s a royal pain in the a$$
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 12:32amTHE THIRD ARCHON…
“Yes and no–I understand but disagree, and reject it because it has no logically sound justification proffered. I base my BELIEFS on logic, not LOGIC on my beliefs.”
So unless you see and experience the actual physical being of God, or an action/event that can only be attributed to God (as in there is no other explanation) there is no reason to believe. So Descartes leads another of God’s children astray.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read Suma Theologica in it’s entirety?
“That’s true of every technology ever.”
You are confusing the issue with irrelevant matters. The human body is not technology and the intent behind the act of the agent is not reliant upon technology. Keep to the issue at hand.
“Just because something isn’t “natural” (arguably a nonsensical distinction anyway, since it all happens within the physical universe, and thus nothing ISN’T dervied from “nature”)”
Applying a generalization of the physical universe to a human act. Again we are talking about human behavior and the natural physical compatibility of an act for the soul purpose of the ends. That is, to propagate. Suns, Black Holes, Ants, amebas and battery ran adult toys don’t propagate as humans, so this point is irrelevant to the discussion.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 12:44am“I reject because in the absence of a basis to accept a claim, one should not accept it–skepticism should be the default position of the rational claim.”
c.f. prior comment on Descartes.
Nothing believed without REASON to believe, and an ESPECIALLY extraordinary claim requires ESPECIALLY extraordinary proof.
The reason you reject out of hand, that being having the blessing to experience the peace, love and happiness of of the Holy Family for all of eternity.
“… it’s … reason is that it does not give life, but is a selfish act based on self gratification.
“CALLING it an abomination is not a justification.”
It is not I, but the one who you deny that calls it an abomination.
“Many human actions do not give rise to life and are purely self gratifying (eating chocolate, etc.)–none of them are considered immoral.”
Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. We are discussing copulation not eating, sleeping or singing. The act of copulation is for the purpose procreation. That is the design and natural out come of the act.
“But unlike theists, they gave REASONS for their beliefs and commands.”
All the reason that are given for the Faith and Commands of God you reject in total because, unlike your parents whom you could ascertain with your senses, you can’t discern the face of God, and you reject that Jesus is the begotten Son.
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Sara123
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:46amNo matter how much Christians condemn other Christians for the hatred of gay activists, and no matter how much Christias try to explain they don’t hate the gay person, only the sexual behavior because it is destructive, Christians will be hated. Sodom does not tolerate God’s law.
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:34amNo does God’s law actually matter. Its man’s laws that rule this country. The problem is that there are still too many Christians that want to replace the secular republic with a theocracy. Our laws and rights are not based on God’s law, but the laws of man.
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:28amEncinom – Spoken like a crazy Marxist psychopath. If you don’t want religion in this country, then move to North Korea where you’ll never have to worry about it.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:40pmENCINOM….Yes, we find agreement, finally. Now look at the condition of this nation and tell me that we’re doing OK. Yeah, we’re doing fine, aren’t we? Maybe, if DECLINE IS FINE!! HA ha, the falseness of your POV is revealed in every newscast, every publication and most of the media, every single minute of every day. You can have it all. Take it and run with it. You, too can be a star!!
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DoseofReality
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 2:55pmGit-R-Done – you stupid, stupid redneck. My guess is that encimon does not give two sh*ts if you or anyone else practices their religion – believe whatever the hell you want to believe. Just dont push your magical sky fairy dogmatic bronze age beliefs on those who dont believe the same as you. Are you that insecure in your beliefs that you cant deal that there are others who dont feel as you do? Your a f*cking neanthderthal….
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encinom
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 5:55pmMax jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 1:40pm
ENCINOM….Yes, we find agreement, finally. Now look at the condition of this nation and tell me that we’re doing OK. Yeah, we’re doing fine, aren’t we? Maybe, if DECLINE IS FINE!! HA ha, the falseness of your POV is revealed in every newscast, every publication and most of the media, every single minute of every day. You can have it all. Take it and run with it. You, too can be a star!!
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from this post I now understand you have no love for the country, the Constitution or the founders. You are a Christian Taliban seeking to destroy the republic and force others to bend to your faith. You are no different than the Muslim fanatics Becks rails against.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:48pmENCINOM….Its an observation made with discernment and all I say is a warning; serving and supporting deviant behavior cannot end well. For yourself or mankind.
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PaxInVeritate
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:46amAnyone willing to take the time to read the Catechism and Encyclicals would know that this has been the stance of the Church from the start. Bravo Fr., but people it is your responsibility to edify yourselves by reading. If you had, this would not have been news to you.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:45pmLaodicean. lukewarm politically correct “I will spew thee from my mouth.”
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willingtoupe
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:43amOK KNOCK IT OFF! Forged Identities bases on sexual acts and positions performed that are supposed to be private and left in the bedroom in the first place. On 2nd thought I’ll come out the closet and expose my private sex acts and say that I Identify myself as a different sex married person that is heterosexual. Now do normal people have to explain that? Do we need a flag to represent that?
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Sara123
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:35amUnless Christians bend over to homosexuality and name the behavior lovely, homosexual activists will hate them. Get used to the “hate”, father. They won’t stop hating no matter how much you blame Christians for their hate. They won’t stop hating you no matter how lovely and cool your message. They are dividing and conquering weak churches.
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Blitz
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 10:14amAmen.
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woodyee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:33am“While being attracted to the same sex isn’t a sin, acting out and living a gay lifestyle, in Fr. Pontifex’s view, is.”
WRONG, Billy Hallowell. NOT in Fr. Pontifex’s view; it is wrong in the Natural World for humans to act out the gay lifestyle, and embracing it is sick.
The Church does not turn away gays who want to embrace God and want to change their lives; it is the militant gays that want to turn away the Church, as well as do gay Clergy, who have found a home with Episcopalians, some Protestant churches, and a splinter Anglican; the Vatican has been slow to react to infiltration by gays in the Catholic Church, and should be called on it.
http://www.churchmilitant.tv/
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txjb
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:16amI have not heard a Pastor on TV or in my area put down the sinner !! The Pastors only put down the sin . Love the sinner ( we are all sinners ) hate the sin .
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dullsville
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:52amNo matter your view on the subject yourself, you have to admit he did a good job of expressing the church’s view in a loving way.
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leonardo44
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:51amgreat job fr Pontifex. There is so much misinformation out there. Thank you for your clarity, courage and compassion.
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quietfury
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:45amThere was nothing he said that didn’t line up with what scripture does (or doesn’t) say. I would have liked it if he had addressed purity, which affects all of us, but I realize that it’s targeted on a specific issue.
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TeresaJ
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:37amBlaze is getting careless with its headlines.
I’m not Catholic, but I like what he has to say.
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HuskerDave
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:52amI found the headline confusing, too.
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Dessy
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:33amIt is not Fr. Pontifex’s personal view that acting on SSA is a sin, rather that has been the Catholic Church’s teaching since founded over 2,000 years ago. He is being a good priest to explain this teaching, and remind homosexuals that they are no less God’s children. Anyone with a problem — alcoholism, pornography, etc. can find solace and aid if they come to the Lord.
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woodyee
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:35amNice! I just called Halloway on the same thing. It’s not the Fr.’s view that acting out gay tendencies is a sin; it’s wrong for humans to do in the Natural world.
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:03pmPontifex is talking like a globalist apologetic. We’ll say whatever we have to to get to the next progression. Putting a pillowcase on God’s outstretched arms. Allowing the temptation to have a place next to the cure. It is Satan’s spirit that puts “SSA” in the hearts. And the LIFESTYLE is how the disease is transmitted. It is time we told it like Elijah would, unafraid of any backlash or reprimand. Anything less is an insult to the spirit of the gospel.
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LIBERTARIAN T38
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:31amAs a former liberal who cme back to the Catholic Churc after many years in the late 90s, I can tell you, liberals are the biggest problem the Church doesn’t want to deal with. The fact that 47% of Catholics voted for Obama shows how big the problem is. If a Catholic will compromise on abortion, he or she will compromise on anything!
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Git-R-Done
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:41amThey’ll also vote for all of these entitlement programs and then the government will use its power to weaken the Church and other religious institutions. That’s why I don’t trust the government with taking care of those in need.
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Pio
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 12:31am1st of all welcome home and 2nd of all. Just because somebody says they are Catholic doesnt mean they are. “Do not be afraid” As jp2 used to say! The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. Just be ready to realize “it” isnt as big as people think. Only those who are fruitful will remain and the ones who bear nofruit wll be cast into the fire. Our priest just told me to get ready because it wil be like pruning a rosebush and will be very painful. He said but those who remain will be stonger for it.
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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:30amHe sort of said an interesting version of love the sinner-hate the sin. He is 100% correct, just because you have the urge doen’t mean you have to act on it. Not and stay close to God. No one in this life doesn’t have trials, but the lure of acting out that life style is strong, stonger than the love of God for so many. I know that “wickedness never was happiness”, and that their pushing it in our face is the desperate way of trying to make themselves look OK, and part of society. Their trying to make themselves OK, and special through law and in school is just plain wicked and evil. Nothing they can say can change that. Their trying to destroy society because they feel unloved and unwanted will have serious consequences for society, and those who support them will not be un-noticed by God. It is time to push back like this priest, not accepting the sin, but not hatefull either, just firm in our own beliefs. We also can’t throw rocks if our own lives are not in accordance with what we know is right, many hetros aren’t exactly sin free, and the double standard of them being bad, and not the other side for their sins is not how the commandments read either.
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Smaug090
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:28amThis is one of those issues people in the church seem to have a really bad way of handling, and really it’s quite simply and he nailed it right here. When you tell people you think of homosexuality as a sin in the same way you think cheating on your wife is a sin, or engaging in sex before your married is a sin it puts in a lot better place than people who just think of sinners as murders and pedophiles. Something people still need to get over though is just because something is supposedly natural doesn’t make it ok. I’ve read studies on both sides about whether these people are born this way but that really shouldn’t matter, people can argue about whether they were born to do certain things but what really matters is your choice to engage in those activities or not based on whether they’re right or wrong.
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BatesclanMary
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:26amVery clear non of the people that posted so far listened to what the man said. It is sad that we see a headline and make up our minds before we listen.
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GaltLine
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:39amTheir loss. This priest has it all together, revealing the justice and the mercy of God who has provided a means for all to walk away from sin.
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razhunter100
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:20amssa…forget this pc bs.
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JustPeachy
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:13amFree speech, but “Priest” – others don’t HAVE to agree with your views and you don’t hold the lock on truth! In my opinion, you don’t even have a handle, but that’s just me. . exercising MY free speech!
May as well exercise it, “Priest” while we still can! (We may not have that much longer to do so if present “Powers that Be” have any say in the matter.
So enjoy it for now, “Priest.” On this issue you agree with the current regime, though–so you may be ok. I’m sure the restrictions (on this, you may be restricted on other areas of opinion) will be just for those who disagree with you and the “Prez.”
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proliance
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:25amIts really hard to understand what you are saying. Fr. Pontifex says that gay sex is wrong. Are you disagreeing with him?
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Max jones
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 11:25pmWhy don’t we put some unrepentant gays in charge of the church nursery next Sunday. Show them how tolerant we can be. And trusting. and stupid!
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Max jones
Posted on September 22, 2012 at 1:49amThe priest needs to say what God himself said about it and stop suckling these “BABES, Give em some meat, and let them chew or choke. This is life and death.
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proliance
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:06amAmen!
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MittensKittens
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:03amHe can “embrace” being g@y all he wants, and if he “chooses” or anyone else does great. This is a free country, what gets me is tha fact that the g@y culture is trying to push on the straight community some sort of normalcy, HELLO IT’S NOT NORMAL! If it was 2 steers could produce a calf, 2 roosters a chick, 2 men a baby…any other questions?
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midcoastmainepatriot
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:15amSTFU and get back in the closet…..
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novemberelection
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:22amBeing born isn’t “NORMAL”? Anybody who knows someone gay knows it’s not a choice. Same old ignorance. Show me one single person CHOOSING to be gay. This issue will disappear through attrition of the current generation of adults happy and even VOCALLY willfully ignorant.
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burned at edges
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:44ammaybe you should watch the video or actually read the article before posting
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llenyaj
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:49amnovemberelection: “Show me one single person CHOOSING to be gay.”
Actress Cynthia Nixon is gay by choice. Google it.
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 8:55am@ novemberelection
Show me one single person CHOOSING to be gay
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As Heche was beginning to establish herself in films during the late
1990s, her career was negatively affected by her highly publicized same-sex
relationship with Ellen DeGeneres, and resulted in Heche losing film offers.
In 2001, a year after her break-up with DeGeneres, Heche married cameraman
Coleman Laffoon,with whom she has a son. Since their separation in 2007
(they divorced in 2009), she has lived with actor James Tupper, with whom she
also has a son.
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You want to try again troll…?
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RealLiibertarian
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:12amMittens, you really need to get past the idea that the sole reason for mankind’s existance is to produce more mankind. For those who wish to, that’s their choice, but children are not the be-all and end-all for many of us, including many of us straight folk. We don’t need to validate our lives by having children. It doesn’t matter to us why people don’t have children, if they are gay, that’s fine. Its nobody else’s problem or business.
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Cherbear
Posted on September 21, 2012 at 9:41amI’m with you mittenskittens; this is a free country. I’m a sinner who knows God will be our Judge. I try to treat people equally as I would like to be treated, however, I certainly don’t like anyone to push their opinion/ways of life on me because they feel it’s right. I may like something that someone else abhors and vice a versa. I will not go against my conscience, because in the end, it’ll nag you to death. I can admit if I’ve made a mistake and I can forgive, but I will not compromise on His values.
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