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Sep. 23, 2012 10:16am
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Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) on Friday accused President Barack Obama of ushering in a second Ottoman Empire in the Middle East through his foreign policy.

Speaking on the House floor, Gohmert accused the Obama administration of allowing Iran to influence Iraq by pulling U.S. troops out, and suggested the attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in the Middle East and North Africa are the result of waning American influence from that decision, The Hill reported.

“Thank you President Barack Hussein Obama. This will be quite a legacy for you,” Gohmert said. “I’m not one of those who says he’s not a Christian. All I know is that’s between him and God. But what I do know is he has helped jump start a new Ottoman Empire and left our friend and ally Israel so vulnerable in this sea of radicalism that he has helped bring to the surface.”

Gohmert said a recent report showed that approval for the U.S. among those in Muslim countries had slipped from 33 percent under President George W. Bush in 2008 to now just 15 percent under Obama, according to The Hill. A Pew Research Center survey released in June noted that the median approval in Muslim nations for Obama’s policies has declined over the last three years from 34 percent to 15 percent.

“This president is trying to buy affection from people who are bullies, who are radical Islamists, who want to destroy us. You’re not going to get love and affection, you get contempt,” Gohmert said.

Gohmert made a similar reference to a “new Ottoman Empire” in another floor speech earlier this month.

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  • PaxInVeritate
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:12am

    It doesn’t matter who is in office of the POTUS, it would have happened anyway given the “time” we live in. Obama just hurried the plan along. Oh, and “the plan” I speak of was prophesied in the Books of Daniel and John.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:00pm

      I think he wanted to say “caliphate” or something, but that wasn’t pc enough for him.

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    • Sirfoldallot
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:01pm

      Is it me ? I see Obama showing the American ppl he don’t care ! He will win by fraud & if he loses he has destroyed the USA econmicaly ( light the fuse ) so he don’t care.

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    • V-MindMeld
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pm

      Yes I,m afraid your right on the Daniel and John….not afraid myself, but it is so obvious what is coming down the pike now more than ever,,,,and yes obama has done his role in helping bring on the prophecy…..most will not want to recognize this reality until its wayyyyyyy to late,,,,,maybe when Israel is on fire, and the mideast enemys lay in waist from Israels last stand and its nukes, will people realize hey maybe the Bible was right…….read or listen to Revalations folks open your eyes and ears..armageddon is closer then we think…..

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:33pm

      Just so you all know, the republicans voted overwhelmingly against Rand Paul’s proposal to restrict giving American dollars to countries like Egypt, Libya, and Syria. That is your republican party at work

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/12941-senate-rejects-rand-pauls-call-to-cut-aid-to-pakistan-libya-and-egypt

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    • momrules
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:44pm

      I agree PAX. Obama, the mystery man, should have never been allowed into the Oval Office but he was. There is a great blindness in America. The year 1948 was the pivotal point.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:16pm

      America began creating the new Ottoman empire in 1948.

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    • Saving_the_Republic.com
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:33pm

      You are correct, it’s all part of the master plan to bring the US down “equal” to the rest of the world. As he weakens the US he stands by or even encourages the coming caliphate into this new 21st century group of superpower nations. You cannot have an islamic caliphate with the kind of power and influence they are seeking with a superpower based on freedom standing in the way like the US.

      You see kids that’s why the Emperor is disarming us, taking our nuclear arsenal down to 1500 (with hopes to get even lower to 3-500) while our enemies are building weapons, and bankrupting this nation. We are too well armed and too rich compared to other nations! Once we are broke and defenseless this Ottoman Empire will roll in because there will be no one left to stand in the way!

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    • 1TrueOne55
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:40pm

      And then there is the matter of Armageddon in the book, Revelation of John. I was near that battle-zone in 1986 and it is a tankers nightmare with 200 foot high hills on either side of a river valley that goes from the Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean Sea. If Hezbollah comes down from the north with Syrian tanks they will hit a choke point and be decimated. But then when God enters the fight it will not matter what your fighting in he can destroy what ever he wants since the Weapons of God are not of this world.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:17pm

      What did we expect electing a Muslim named Barack Hussein Obama? If his name isn’t a dead giveaway, I don’t know what is. His name sounds like he is the the leader of Kenya or Somalia. America be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. And in this case we wished for a politically correct Muslim sympathizer and that’s exactly what we got. If the US reelects him for a 2nd term, then this country will get whatever it deserves.

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    • sillyfreshness
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:19pm

      Maybe Hussein Obama is the antichrist after all. He came in as a world savior during the election and what he’s led up to is a total all out war in the Middle East between Israel and Iran and whomever else. It might drag the whole world into their conflict.

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    • backoffmonkey
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:34pm

      Obama Lied

      SEALs DIED !

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    • SUNTZU
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:25pm

      BHO not the antichrist.Just
      his CFO.

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    • SPIN_MD
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:28pm

      You are correct. With all due respect the Congressman is incorrect though. I doubt seriously that a caliphate will actually take place. During the Psalm 83 war, Israel will destroy all its enemies in close proximity. Which are the current countries of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and fantastically the West Bank is specifically mentioned. I say that for those unfamiliar with the Bible. If you are a Christian, Biblical prophecy is not fantastic. It just is. WWIII is described in Ezekiel chapters 30 and 38. Most theologians who have researched eschatology are confident that both wars are prior to the rapture and the tribulation described in the Book of Revelation. Islam will not look like it does today in the future. I don’t know exactly into what it will mutate. Many believe it will fuse with apostates of Christianity and Judaism. Some believe it will fuse with Roman Catholicism after the current Pope is gone. It may revert to its actual pagan origins.

      Many are indecisive as to the exact countries involved in WWIII since present day country borders are a manufacture of man and not the areas God established or recognized. Some countries most everyone agrees on are Russia, Germany, Turkey, Ethiopia, Sudan, Iran. Some that may or may not be involved are China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and many countries in Indo-China.

      One thing is for sure. Neither, Mr. Obama or Mr. Morsi, or any other human for that matter, is in charge of any of this.

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    • jzs
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:45pm

      Gomer is confused. He seems, first, to have forgotten that Iraq was the counterbalance to Iran in the Middle East, at least until the US overthrew the government in a war of choice and one based a false premiss (and one the Bush administration knew, or should have known, was false). So the US spent 12 years – 2 1/2 times the length of WWII – trying to stabilize a country now hopelessly divided by sectarianism. Credit George Bush’s ill-advised war and overthrow of the government for Iran’s ascendency in the Middle East. Apparently Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld thought a new American loving Democracy would spring up, and become a new, strong pro-Western country. Yeah, whatever, that didn’t work out. That didn’t work out did it, despite the +5000 and counting dead American brought back in body bags. Was another 5000 dead going to create Rumsfeld’s fantasy? No.

      How long would Gomer have US soldiers in harms way there? If 12 or 13 years wasn’t enough, how much would it take?

      President Obama removed soldiers from Iraq according to the agreement Bush made with the Iraqis. He might have staid longer, but the Iraq’s freshly minted Democracy refused to allow US soldiers to remain unless they were subject to prosecution for crimes under Iraqi law (whatever that might be).

      Nice Gomer, blame the President for instability in Iraq and for bringing soldier home under an agreement Bush made.

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    • Faith1029
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:50pm

      PAX: “It doesn’t matter who is in office of the POTUS, it would have happened anyway given the “time” we live in. Obama just hurried the plan along. Oh, and “the plan” I speak of was prophesied in the Books of Daniel and John.”

      Read the book the HARBINGER by Johnathan Cahn that just came out. I have the book and it is quite an eye opener. I understand they can’t keep it on the shelves because people are flocking to get this book. It’s been on Radio and TV. I had to order mine.

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    • Platonician
      Posted on September 24, 2012 at 12:58am

      Beware the Muslim camel lover appropriately nicknamed “The_Jerk”

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    • Salamander
      Posted on September 24, 2012 at 2:21am

      “Just” hurried it along? That’s like saying that shooting someone doesn’t kill them–it just “hurries the inevitable death” along! Gosh, I’d bet THAT will play well in our courts! I can’t wait for some enterprising lawyer to try THAT line of reasoning!

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  • rockymtngal
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10am

    When we read Obama’s executive order 13603 (section 801 PVIII) in conjuction with HLS purchasing billions of rounds of ammo & distributing them to governmental departments (fish and game, forestry dept, etc), you know that something isn’t right with Obama and this administration. Here, we have a president who has appointed Islamic Brotherhood to his administration & saying that the 9/11 attack was over a Youtube video? (that was released in June) Now we’re hearing it could’ve be an “inside job” of the security team from Wales? While all of this is going on, Obama is sleeping soundly in Las Vegas & states that there wasn’t any indication that something like this was going to happen? Obama couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it. Gohmert is right…and it’s about time some more representatives start talking openly about Obama’s ideologies, which are NOT in the best interest for our nation.

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    • momprayn
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:44am

      Yes, he is one of the VERY few who are saying it…we must face cold facts re WHY Congress not acting to rein in this evil ROGUE regime…b/c most “R”s are corrupt too & are either being threatened or complicit. Check out a DHS Insider’s comments:

      “And forget about the R’s vs D’s b/c nearly all of them are all playing for the same team. .. They’ve allowed Communists to enter every gpvmt institution inside the beltway, and just about everyone let it happen, helped it happen or watched it happen.”

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48202

      “The Obama doctrine,.. is one of orchestrated deconstruction of countries getting in the way of the reconstruction of the Islamic Caliphate. Once established, the Islamic Caliphate will usher in a repressive global religion complimentary to the larger globalist agenda. Accordingly, Syria cannot be allowed to exist in its current form, nor can Israel, but for different reasons…
      The Obama doctrine of foreign policy is the globalist doctrine, except .. employs the effective use of the MB to advance the globalist agenda.

      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49575

      Another big problem is I don’t know if Romney & crew even realize these things. For too many, this stuff is just too unbelievable plus don’t have the necesssary”hard” evidence to accuse, convict. All bases covered…..that’s why they went “rogue”. Who knows – maybe they’ve been threatened too.

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    • GlennaBeckski
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:24pm

      ROCKYMTNGAL ~~ I posted a link for you to check out but instead of appearing here it appears on the 2nd page. Very Very Interesting Stuff.

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  • Chuck7884
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10am

    With the last OPEC meeting.I would say Rep. Louie Gohmert is quite correct.with Iran and Venezuela calling for a new currency backed system for the sale of oil and a new bank OPEC bank of Arab States that in fact could be construed as the new Ottoman empire.

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  • rambosharley
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:07am

    God only knows what this world, much less this country, will look like if he gets 4 more! Jesus help us get rid of this menace!

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  • Sara123
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:03am

    If Americans re-elect Obama, he’ll finish the United States off – constitutionally, economically and culturally. This will please the radical anti-white racist diversity mobs until they realize there is no more free stuff, paid for by other people’s money, to be swipped by the Federal government. If Americans re-elect this man, they deserve the oppression and poverty that he and his radical pals will acheive. American Idol nation is going to meet it’s maker.

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  • Pepper_NC
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:02am

    B.O. is the enemy within!

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  • WaterTheTree
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:00am

    Obama’s foreign policies might work if the rest of the world shared our values. They don’t. And he his narcissism blinds him to that. It will take a generation or longer to recover from the damage he’s done.

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  • shogun459
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:57am

    For Obama to get to heaven,
    He must see the whites in this country suffer what the Blacks did,
    for at least as long or nobody gets to paradise.
    THAT’S Black LIBERATION Theology.

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  • soybomb315_II
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:54am

    yea, thats what America needs – more troops in Iraq

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    • Fubared
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:18pm

      Nah, we can do the tofu routine an pop out heads out of our asses to then stick them in the sand.

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  • U.N.hater
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52am

    This isn’t just obamas fault. This is also everyone in congress and those who took an oath to deffend this country’s fault. Not one person has challenged him. He should have been arrested 3 years ago allready. All you congressman do is run your mouth’s. Where’s the damn military leader’s at? Are they in on this to? Has everyone we put in power become our own enemy’s? STFU and do something!

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  • Private_Idaho
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:52am

    Love the use of the middle name! I admire the back bone that many of the TX representatives use openly. Too bad more of our state leaders don’t speak out and condemn BHO like Rep. Louie Gohmert.

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  • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:45am

    Obama finished the job his mentor, Jimmy Carter, started. Anyone up for another Crusades?

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    • shorthanded12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:00am

      The only thing Jimmy Carter has up on Barry is that he can prove his citizenship and his whole life has been an open book unlike Barry’s. Anyone care to dispute that?

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:26am

      DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:45am
      Anyone up for another Crusades?
      _____________________________________________

      That may be what it takes and ultimately the only real solution.

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35am

      BUDDYBAG IS EVIL . . . Better idea. Have the governments step aside and let the people fight it out. All the Christians who want to kill Muslims – and all the Muslims who want to kill Christians – you all go to a remote location, say the Gobi desert, and you go at each other until somebody is annihilated. You have your messiah . They have theirs. You have your gubs They have theirs. Problem solved.

      I’m sure you’ll all be the first ones on the plane – all camo’d up. Let us know how it turns out.

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    • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:18pm

      WANGO – sounds like a plan. You’re welcome to join us. Or will you stay behind and cower with the women-folk, like liberal males always have?

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    • Fubared
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:21pm

      WangDang
      No fun without collateral damage. I say we stand by and let them have their way with you, then when they have sated themselves on the lemmings we can do bidness. Useless tools have a function. Don’t ever sell yourself short.

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pm

      CONSAREEVIL . . . I’ll stay behind with the real Americans. Don’t worry, I’ll take good care of your women folk.

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    • BODYBAG
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:35pm

      @WANKER
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35am
      BUDDYBAG IS EVIL
      All the Christians who want to kill Muslims – and all the Muslims who want to kill Christians
      ________________________________________________

      DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL is the username I was addressing, not a statement.
      You expose your ignorance here. Christians do not want to kill Muslims. I certainly dont
      Its the other way around. Every Christian I know just wants to go about their business
      peacefully without interference. Muslims are ultimately unable to tolerate the existence
      of any other belief system.
      Peace accords, peace treaties, peace agreements, etc – they’re all a FARCE because
      these people dont want peace. American leadership has always made the mistake of
      attempting to apply a western mindset to the Arab world, and the fact is, they dont think
      like us. They’re a warring people. It does not matter what you give them, it will never be
      enough. Their worldview includes destruction of Israel/western society and world dominance.
      And even if you gave them that, they’d find something else to fight about.

      So, yes, there are those of us who care enough about our country and our lives that
      we’re willing to pick up a firearm if necessary to defend your freedom to sit in your
      jammies at home on sunday and heckle whomever you like.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:50pm

      I researched the crusades and discovered things I didn’t realize. I always thought/was taught that the crusades were fought to force Christianity onto people…no, far from it. The Muslims attacked Israel, you know the place that Christians have pilgramed to for centuries because CHRIST was born and killed in that region. the Muslims killed 3,000 christians. We went to avenge them.

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    • pissantno.10
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:24pm

      let them come here they have to come a shore on the east or west coast they would be doing us a great favor by weeding out all the liberals . all we have to do is stay to the west of them, play the call to prayer and you have a target

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on September 24, 2012 at 11:29am

      All of you religious nuts need out of public policy. If you think toying with the idea of another Crusade, ushering in more violence and war over who’s imaginary pal in the sky likes them better is a good idea, then you’re insane. For as long as there are zealots who wish to hijack the country’s military force for their own delusional fantasies, there will be secularists who will oppose it. Are these militant ramblings serious? Do you guys actually think this way? About war and division and conquering? For you revisionist historians out there, a reminder: Christianity originally spread throughout Europe at the tip of a sword. After the fall of the Roman empire and the subsequent Dark Ages, the lack of civilization and a massive rise in poor isolated villages throughout Europe, gave rise to Christian conquerors who destroyed all other religions. Christian tyranny enslaved all of Europe via genocide eg. Charlemagne, Justinian, . Have you all forgotten this? Historians use the term “united” in the sense that post-Rome, all major regions of Europe had been conquered by Christian authoritarian bloodshed (following , united under several theocratic, authoritarian dictatorships. The enlightenment period is responsible for what has advanced civilization at such a rapid pace, only within its first few centuries of existence spawning the birth of empirical science, reason, and logic.

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on September 24, 2012 at 11:47am

      I for one do not miss the period of the Crusades, nor the centuries of religious oppression that preceded it. If you, like the few remaining Muslim powers are set on advancing another chapter of war and suffering in the long bloody history of Abrahamic religous fools, I and all advocates of sanity stand against you. Remember, the civilized world as a whole is getting more secular, more modern, more rational. The Abrahamic faith following religions are a burden on the countries their followers inhabit. They inhibit human advancement and each have a never-ending lust to wipe each other out at the expense of all people. You Christians seem to think atheist = liberal = muslim sympathizer. Any group of people that look to a book of fiction containing future prophesy, particularly one that calls for the defense and/or taking up of arms in defense of some designated-by-god holy land or for the spread of said ideology, then you’re just another lunatic. Atheists know pleading with one group of crazies (Muslims) is pointless if we’re not also appealing to the less militant, less fanatic group of crazies in our country, who happen to have a hold of the government, our military power, our resources, etc. (Christians/Jews). We’re tired of hearing of future and our children’s children’s well being put in jeopardy by an idea that we must waste human life, time and resources to wage a war that coincides with your personal religious beliefs.

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  • Cymry
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:44am

    barry can recite the adan (muslim call to prayer) in perfect arabic (it’s their admission of faith prayer).

    what do Larry Klayman, Pamela Geller and Orly Taitz have in common?
    1. They’re Jewish
    2. They have questions about barry’s natural born citizenship (and thus his eligibility to be potus)

    I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

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  • shorthanded12
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43am

    Heres my 2 cents, when a man changes his name from more of a western style name to a muslim name sits in a black radical preachers church and claims to not hear anything, throws his white grandmother under the bus is mentored by two American Radicals (Frank Marshall Davis an Bill Ayers) launches his political career in the most corrupt city (Chicago). Panders to the select few in this country (Gays, Unions) Uses the black and hipanic race for political purposes. SPEAKS VOLUME about ones Demeanor/Charector. In a NUT Shell A pure Communist/Marist/Socialist<—–Pick your poisen. Bad for America and a disaster for the world.

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  • Yankee
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43am

    This is a precisely correct assessment, except that this time it may not be led by the relatively level-headed Turks.

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    • sandy21957
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:51am

      Turks aren’t level-headed. Ask the Armenians. The Turks make Hitler look good.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:58am

      Peoples at the **** end of a genocides comitted by Turks:
      1-Greeks
      2-Armenians
      3-Assyrians

      The southern Turkish province of Antioch was mainly ethnic Syrians of one sect or another until the Turks purged them.

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:03pm

      WALKABOUT . . . You forgot the Episcopalians.

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    • Sirfoldallot
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:28pm

      @ wango – Have u found parents yet 2 adopt u ?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:51pm

      Wango (From Urban Dictionary)

      The act of eating out someones b/tt hole

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Wango,

      If I knew who you were, I would surely let any & all Greeks, Armenians & Assyrians know all about you.

      Then I sit down on a lawn chair with some popcorn.

      I don’t claim to be devout.

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  • Cemoto78
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:40am

    Seems the Muslim nations have the same amount of contempt for America as Americans have for Congress.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:39am

    Two great speeches by Rep. Gohmert two Friday’s in a row.

    I wonder what next Friday will bring? Perhaps he should do these speeches on Mon morning and not Fri night…..

    Gooooooooo Gohmert!!!!

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:10am

      Monk, you think we should have more troops and be fighting more wars over there?

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    • whatthecrazy
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:48am

      i will drink to that………………….later that is

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:24pm

      Hi Soybom315,

      Nope, I sure don’t. But, since they were there already with a goal in mind, perhaps we should have stayed until it was done. I think that is what Gohmert was saying. Also, that with the exploding growth of a new Ottoman Empire we might have been able to keep Iraq from being influenced more by Iran.

      I pretty sure that was his point. Saving any Country from being a part of a new Ottoman Empire especially after spending so much money and losing so much blood on said Country.

      What do you think? (Besides that we should have never been in Iraq in the first place)

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:57pm

      The-Monk
      Exactly what is the goal in Afghanistan and what was the goal in Iraq? It seems to me that we achieved the goal within the first couple months in both countries.

      What i thought was based on what i was told by the repubilcans – which was that Iraq was a direct threat to our existence and had to be removed in order to establish a middle east democracy. That turned out to be a lie and misguided policy. You are asking what i would do right now? I would remove our troops from the line of fire and remove all embassies from islamic countries. People talk about creating the environment of freedom over there, but that is exactly what lead to the muslim brotherhood has gaining control in egypt, libya, and iraq – and at the same time, the republicans are blaming it all on Obama….Which tells me that nothing has changed in America

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 3:33pm

      Here’s a bit more to check into…

      Kuwait History Timeline & Facts

      Concise Facts, Timeline and History about Kuwait
      700′s – Kuwait became a part of the Abbasid empire
      1500′s became part of the Ottoman Empire
      In 1899 Kuwait became a British protectorate
      Kuwait Independence in 1961
      Allied with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War
      Occupied by Iraq in August 1990
      The Iraqi forces were defeated and the emir of Kuwait was reinstated.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:54pm

      Sorry for the typos and some bad grammar….. I typed that out rather quickly. : )

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:19pm

      thanks for the background, but you didnt answer my question(s)

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 5:32pm

      Hi Soybom315,

      Please ask again. : )

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    • Verceofreason
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 6:33pm

      Louie’s brain cells are having a constant food fight in his head

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:19pm

      Monk it is really hard to follow your connections. You say we went into Iraq in 2003 to stop their nuclear program? How come we found zero evidence of it (and Bush was looking for it, for political reasons) and honest minds like Colin Powell saw that we were duped and quit in disgust?

      Nevertheless, if you say the goal of Iraq was to get rid of their nuclear weapons program – then we no longer should be there. mission complete, case closed. Afganistan tried to get nuclear weapons and Al Qaeda has moved into other countries – why are we still in Afganistan – what is the goal?

      We cannot prevent the spread of an idea in the middle east – especially using our heavy footprint.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:35pm

      Hi Soybom315,
      “Monk it is really hard to follow your connections. You say we went into Iraq in 2003 to stop their nuclear program? How come we found zero evidence of it….”

      It was never there. The scientists lied to Hussein to save there lives. Hussein and his staff were convinced they were on their way to nukes so all the intel, spies, taps, etc. were also convinced. No one had access the the scientist but Hussein himself. At least that’s what I’ve been told and it makes sense to me.

      Yes, we should not be there anymore. They (politicians) just can’t find a way to bow out gracefully I guess. Not much the Gov dose makes much sense to me.

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    • themachinist239
      Posted on September 24, 2012 at 12:02pm

      “They (politicians) just can’t find a way to bow out gracefully I guess.”

      We know we can’t fight an idea. We know that democracy is the root of secularism and protected rights. This means that protests, counter-protests, sectarian mobs, and the growth as well as the diminishing of fringe groups are growing pains of this transition. Our leaders and zealots confuse these as legitimate threats to our security and talk us back into taking more military operations. More troops, more money, more dead Americans in the long run. There really isn’t a way to bow out gracefully. We should silently facilitate their growth into a modern civilization. Despite what may look like widespread uprising and unrest.

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  • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:37am

    “This president is trying to buy affection from [people who are bullies], who are radical Islamists, who want to destroy us. You’re not going to get love and affection, you get contempt.”

    Now you’ve gone and done it Gohmert… that’s statement that will awaken the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson folks who will use that against you.

    WE are the “bullies”, not the radical Islamists. WE brought all this all ire upon ourselves… NOT the radical Islamists. They’ve just been minding their own business until WE “bullied” them into radicalizing, rioting, terrorizing and murdering.

    It’s OUR fault Gohmert… the “neo-cons”….

    DAMN that Israel !!

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    • just the facts
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:50am

      Love your sense of humor.

      I’m willing to wager 99.8% of the citizens of there United States have no idea who – what – where – why – when the Ottoman was. It was a great point, but for the libs, way way over their heads.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:55am

      you just cant get over us, can you

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    • The_Pointy_End
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:03am

      Just keep in mind anyone who makes this argument is suffering from the psychological condition of Battered Person Syndrome.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:04am

      TIME2 Are you charging Ron Paul for all the real estate he’s using in your tiny brain?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:13am

      SOY. It’s important to continually point out both enemies at the gates. You believe it to include all Republicans and Conservatives and those of us who supported anyone other than Ron Paul, and now your 1st runner-up… Johnson.

      I see YOU and your ilk (ohh, that’s right… you’re Constitutionalists… you can’t be ALL bad right? Meh) along with Obama/Dem Party loyalists as the enemy. Based on what I’ve read over the months from The Blaze’s posters… you’re behind in the polls and a wee bit of a minority SOY. But you like that dontcha’? The kid in the back of the class… irritating and heckling the smarter kids. As I’ve stated numerous times… malcontents and miscreants best describe the Ron Paul / Gary Johnson Obama enablers these days.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:17am

      I am not the one making categorical generalizations – you are

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20am

      SLAYER. I go after Ron Paul and his acolytes (you) for free. Call it a Public Service. While he rides off into the sunset… we are left with his idological step children. The good choice you’ve made as of late is to not mention his name as you did when I first came on The Blaze. Seems’ you’re trying to fit in… lol. Good job SLAYER. Btw… still voting for the “other guy”…??

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20am

      keep saying that truth until i gets into your think skull.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:29am

      INDI wrote… “keep saying that truth until i gets into your think skull.” WTHey ??

      Knowing you as a Paul / Johnson supporter… what comes to MY mind INDI… “this is YOUR mind on drugs.”

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    • Jarhead 88
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:35am

      INDI. – Your pathetic attempt at English always makes me laugh, you poor fool. You fit right in with the Paul/Johnson idiots.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:59am

      88? looks like we got a nazi murderer lol.

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    • barber2
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:01pm

      Time: thanks for the laugh…something so needed in this mess called Obama’s America …

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    • Jarhead 88
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:08pm

      INDI. “Nazi murderer” WTH are you talking about dummy? Did you hit your crack pipe again before typing?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:21pm

      BARBER2. You’re welcome for the laugh. BUT… this IS serious business when we look at it in a serious way. The supposed “Liberty Movement”… “Viva La Revolucion-aries”… the Ron Paul isolationist ideology (and their SOY styled parrots) tend to side with America’s enemies (both here and “over there”). These are the same idjits that fall behind Bradley Manning, shake hands with Code-Pink and apologize for Palestinians, Islam and Iran while blaming America and patriotic Americans, along with Israel for all the problems around the world.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:25pm

      Yeah…. INDI likes his Nazis to go free and… unmurdered. They financially supported and voted for Ron Paul. Just ask David Duke and his Klan…. Lol.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:46pm

      they team with humanities friends and blame humanities enemies and those who are causing the problems nothing wrong with that time 2. btw Romney is Obama but white so basically the only reason for him over Obama is racism.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:04pm

      INDI… you could be beaten about the head and shoulders with a baseball bat and you would still get up antagonize common sense Americans with nonsensical rants, musings and mumblings. I’m not sure whether I should give you kudos for your perserverance or tell you to ask your nurse to up your meds.

      It’s beyond belief that the other Paul / Johnson acolytes here don’t disown you. Must be that they realize that one more vote for Obama (sorry, Paul / Johnson / Goode) is wayyy more important than taking you to task. Same reason they tend to stick up for the racists, bigots, White Supremicists, drug abusers, child porn advocates, the incestuous, neo-Nazi’s, radical Islamists and even Louis Farrakhan along with any OTHER nut that happens along and attaches itself/themselves to “The Liberty Movement”…. or speaks highly of it.

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    • hold_my_stones
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:24pm

      Paulies & Johnstonites, please give it up. Your guy lost fair & square and Johnston has no chance. A vote for Gary J is a vote for Obama. Obama must be taken out of the White House, then this will buy you more time to push for establishing your 2016 3rd party. Time is running out and another 4 by this destroyer & fraud will cease all chances of you guys to attain your goal. Please guys, vote for Romney on this round, Obama has to be stopped.

      I hear you guys saying Romney is more of Obama, but you don’t know that for certain. Its a chance we have to take, we all know what we’re in for with more of the rogue criminal fraud tearing our nation down faster than a speeding auto-train.

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    • Jarhead 88
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:50pm

      Hitting INDI with a bat is bat abuse, LOL, that rock sitting on his shoulders might be granite.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 2:30pm

      Time2 I’ll be voting for the crony capitalist since I’ve been bashing the Marxist POS since 08.

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  • thibx
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:37am

    i will say he is not a christian. Jesus said look at the fruit to see what they bear. a good tree cannot bear evil fruit and an evil tree cannot bear good fruit. the fruit he bears is evil. he is a muslim and probably a radical one. he had friends in pakastan in palastine and muslim brotherhood for years. now he pretends he is for poor people when he defended slumlords against tentants who had no heat in chicago winters. aborted babies still alive thrown in closets. hell i think if he gets gets elected he will be worse than hitler because he is setting up israel now.

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  • bdandsl
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:36am

    Obama and Clinton have blood on their hands! They have to own this with their asinine, liberal policies of pandering and apologizing.

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    • Chuck7884
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:43am

      It started with Carter.Appeasement has been the rule ever since. can not just blame one President.have been paying billions of dollars in ade ever since.

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  • Eastinfection
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:33am

    I know he’s built an army of unemployed sitting at home on their ottomans all day.

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    • noslave
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:06am

      hey with 99 wks to look for work,food stamps allowing beer ,cigarettes,steaks and cakes,no work required to get welfare,more like a lazy-boy recliner??

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  • progressiveslayer
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:32am

    If we ever exploit ALL our natural resources like the 1.5 trillion barrels of shale oil in the US and our NG we can tell the entire middle east to F OFF. That’s the only reason we’re in that region and once we stop paying them trillions of dollars for oil and use our natural resources we can be done with them.

    Kill all so called ‘green energy’ programs here and rescue our coal industry from the Marxist POS currently destroying it we’ll be okay.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:31am

    Actually it will be called a Caliphate.

    Right now though our world is about to have a massive legacy of Obama left behind; that of a regional war in the Middle East in which Israel may fall and Iran arise as the dominate power; along with war between China – Japan.

    Understand, the world is shifting dramatically now in the way of geopolitical alliances and of the governments; Obama unleashed this with support to the Arab Spring and the failure to support the real Democratic uprising within Iran.

    Due to his massive failures, his name shall bear shame in history worse than Chamberlin.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:46am

      As you may know Barry sees America as the cause of all the worlds problems,hence the apology tour,the most sickening display of a President I’ve ever seen. I believe Barry when he says he’s going to fundamentally transform America because he’s doing it. He’s determined to lower our standard of living and our influence throughout the world.In short he’s making us pay,literally trillions in dollars and our civil liberties are further eroded with the Marxist heathen in charge.

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    • barber2
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:07am

      PRO: Obama is just trying to fulfill the Dreams of His Father : ” social justice” / aka revenge for Western colonialism and capitalism ! There is an angry man hidden under those well-tailored outfits. ( I have a photo from campaign 2008 of Michele doing the Black Power Clenched fist raised in the air and a scowl on her face that would strip paint from a wall ). Think that clenched fist represents Obama and this New Far Left Democrat Party of radicals. They operate under a new set of ” ruLes.” Pure Alisnky. Pure Marxist. Pure un-American. NOBAMA 2012 NO DEMOCRATS 2012

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  • Gary_K
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:31am

    Why hasn’t anyone in congress spoken up on all the bad policies and ex orders for the last 3 1/2 years. Why now?

    I think this is an election year.

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    • AJAYW
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:42am

      We don’t have a congress – obama has showen us that– they are spineless punks trying to keep their do nothing jobs- living off the tax payers — One Term should be the standard and paid 100,000,00 a year with no other bennies.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:56am

      @Gary
      Because if the republicans spoke out out against bad foreign policy and executive orders, it would make them hypocrites. See G.W. Bush years

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    • Gary_K
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:50am

      Soy, I thought they already were !

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:55am

      not really. That talk show hosts do but you dont see it much from the elected officials

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    • acer561
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 8:57pm

      you think this is an election year?What rock have you been under!

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  • LibertyMindedAboveAllElse
    Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:25am

    This transformation began when we thought we could “Nation Build” our enemies homelands. Remove dictators and whoever is the #2 most powerful influence in the country fills the vacuum. In this case it was theocracies. Bad foreign policy under Bush and Obama. We hear the shouts of “Obama will let Iran get a nuke!” Yes he will. Just as Bush let North Korea build one while declaring he would not let it happen. Different parties….same policies….wake up sheep.

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    • Jaimo
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:32am

      Wasn’t it Clinton who let north Korea get nukes under the guise of energy production?

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:47am

      Love the “wake up sheep” reference. Tell me, are you at a level far above we the sheep? Goat maybe?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:55am

      “Nation Build” our enemies homelands
      ***
      We did that after WW2 successfully. But after WW2 means AFTER the war.
      We are trying or were trying to build during an active war in Afghanistan. An enemy that has secure bases (with only occasional pinpricks by drone) in the Swat Valley & northern.Southern Waziristan is not AFTER the War.

      Iraq was just about “after the War” & we almost succeeded, but Obama cut & ran like a yellow dog.
      Now Iran owns 1/2 to 2/3rds of Iraq. It owns the core of Iraq which is enough for Iran to project some power.

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    • cmg456
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 10:58am

      I think you are absolutely correct.

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    • soybomb315_II
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:08am

      if someone has not learned the mistakes of the past and is determined to repeat them – that person is ‘asleep’

      history does not forgive those who dont learn from their mistakes

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    • Quixotic-911
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:20am

      Yes, Clinton GAVE North Korea breeder reactors.

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    • Individualism
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:24am

      yeah time for a third party or the end of political parties.

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 11:39am

      WANKABOUT . . . “Iraq was just about “after the War” & we almost succeeded, but Obama cut & ran like a yellow dog.’

      Sorry, but conservatives all said “Bush won the war.” So which is it?

      I believe the yellow dog you’re looking for is Reagan, who cut and ran like a yellow dog after 83 of our Marines were killed in Beirut. Reagan is the reason Arab radicals are as bold and ruthless as they are today. But gosh, he sure looked good in jodhpurs, didn’t he? Wow what a guy!

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:13pm

      WANGO. Actually it was more like 240 or more Marines if memory serves me right, along with 50 some-odd French paratroopers. They should have never been there in the first place… like sitting ducks, lightly armed and not permitted to take the high ground. That was a major mistake. Reagan certainly made a blunder there. Marines DO NOT cut and run… neither does the rest of our Military.

      No excuses for that blunder. It should have given us firmer resolve in the region as opposed to walking away…

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    • Wango
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 12:30pm

      Time . . .You’re right . . .it was in ’83 that it happened, not 83 dead. My mixup. The point remains.

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    • TIME_2_END_THE_PAUL_CAMPAIGN_IN_12
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 1:07pm

      WANGO. I’ll still take Reagan over any who have succeeded him as POTUS. Let’s throw his immediate predecessor in that mix too just for sh!ts and giggles eh?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on September 23, 2012 at 4:00pm

      The Marines were not allowed to have loaded weapons in a war zone on Beirut. So was it a mistake to send them there or was it the lack of sound tactics.

      I remember the Lebanese Civil War. It started when the PL F______ O started setting up checkpoints & selectively killing Christians. they had set up in Lebanon after trying to take over Jordan (Black September) & had been routed by the Jordanians.

      We did win in Iraq. You can look at the casualty count it was way down. We could have lost Germany after WW2 & we won that war.

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