In perhaps one of the least shocking headline of the year, leftist CUNY professor Frances Fox Piven announced on the leftist outlet Democracy Now that we need to re-elect Barrack Obama. But the reason is a little less expected: it’s because he will be “vulnerable” to the demands of Occupy Wall Street-like movements, particularly those pushing debt forgiveness like the offshoot Strike Debt. If Romney is elected Piven fears “repression” — even mentioning the National Guard as an option to disperse widespread movements like OWS.
Transcript of the interview Below:
AMY GOODMAN: What about making those demands, and do you think that’s relevant? I mean, this is a key moment right now, Frances Fox Piven.
FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Well, yeah, but it’s—yes, we make demands, and inevitably it’s going to be electoral politics that is going to sort of channel the response to those demands. But the point isn’t a dialogue between the movement and guys—mainly guys—running for election, because while they’re running for election, they’re going to promise the sky. There’s no question about that. They’ve done—they do that all the time. Look at all the broken promises in—that follow every election.
So, this doesn’t mean I don’t think electoral politics is important; I think it’s very important. I think the election is very important. I think that we need to re-elect Barack Obama, not because he’s going to respond just because we have a dialogue with him, but we need to re-elect him because he is vulnerable to the kind of momentum pressure leverage that a movement like Strike Debt can exert. He will have to respond, and he won’t be able to respond by calling out the National Guard. We don’t want to elect—we don’t want Romney, a Republican Senate, a Republican House, because they might well respond with repression. So—
AMY GOODMAN: And yet, you’re seeing in the immigrants’ movement, President—under President Obama, more immigrants have been deported than under any president in history, and the level of militarization of the police in this last four years has escalated.
FRANCES FOX PIVEN: Yes, but it would have escalated more if John McCain had won the presidency, and we would have been maybe a little bit better off if the Tea Party Republicans hadn’t taken control of the House of Representatives in 2010. I’m not saying that electoral politics works the way it’s supposed to work. It doesn’t work the way it’s supposed to work. That’s one of our problems. And it’s one of the reasons that the United States has become so unequal. It’s one of the reasons that we have the 99 percent versus the 1 percent. A lot of this has happened through public policy.
But nevertheless, in the complex dynamic that movements can create in political life, it is useful, it is helpful, to have an electoral—elected regime that has to worry about the people that are allied with the movement, that has to worry about those voter blocs, like the liberals in the civil rights movement, for example, who—that was who Lyndon Baines Johnson was worried about when he responded ultimately to the civil rights movement by echoing “We Shall Overcome” in one of his speeches. It wasn’t because of just a dialogue with the movement that occurred before the election. It was because the movement was so forceful and so disruptive, that civil rights movement, that it polarized the country, and Lyndon Baines Johnson could not take the chance of being on the side of what was becoming a minority white Southern bloc.


























































































































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SPIN_MD
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:50pmThat woman is way creepy weird. She looks like she should be a character on Farscape.
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Wool-Free Vision
Sep. 24, 2012 at 6:41pmThis Crypt-Keeper sucks, it just drones on and on, and the Tales From The Crypt never start.
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artistskeptic
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:19amThank you Granny Piven, I needed a good reason to absoluely vote for Romney !!
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blackyb
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:48pmPiven needs to be in a home for the stupid.
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thegreatcarnac
Sep. 24, 2012 at 4:40pmshe is…she’s in New York…
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blackyb
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:47pmThe guard should be called and the refuse and rubbish taken off the streets with their whining about something they do not even know what they are whining about. These people are not less than public nuciances and a threat to public safety. They are not legitimate, but there to impede the public.
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RossPoldark
Sep. 24, 2012 at 9:33pmThey sould all be buried face down in those FEMA coffins.
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Depressed_American
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:41pmThe problem with Ms. Pivens and the others just like her, is that MOST Americans DON’T agree with their COMMUNISTIC views!!! When you are preaching the overthrow of our American Constitution and American System, there is a problem.
Here is a quaint idea…. If you don’t like the American System, then pack your things and LEAVE!!! That is the beauty of America, you are NOT WALLED IN, like the old Soviet Union. NO ONE is going to SHOOT you for trying to leave America!!! Move your behinds to Cuba, North Korea, etc…. Heck you will be one of their Propagandist Heroes for rejecting the “evil” American System.
STOP trying to turn America into a Socialist/Communist Country!!!!
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Texasexpat
Sep. 24, 2012 at 5:48pm@Depressed American
I heartily agree with you and couldn’t have said it better!!!
What surprises me about her(Pivens) is that she has lived this long! The “up” side, if you want to call it that, is that she is of an age. where she can’t last much longer.
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PALEHORSE
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:34pm“And yet, you’re seeing in the immigrants’ movement, President—under President Obama, more immigrants have been deported than under any president in history”
This is a blatant lie. This administration is also counting those sent back under the ATEP program as deported. These are people that cross the border and are sent back via another state. These people do not see a judge unless there is a specific reason. They already have been deported. Some of them are caught and sent home 3 to 4 times a month.
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Tri-ox
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:28pmNo SURPRISE! FRANCES FOX PIVEN WANTS OBAMA RE-ELECTED BECAUSE she is a paid propagandist for him and because HE IS not ‘VULNERABLE’ TO OCCUPY (which was created by the ‘obama 2012′ campaign)
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Pat Magroin
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:39pmDoes Francis Notafox Piven not know that according to Shelia Jackson Lee and the Rev. Al not so Sharpton it is pronounced VUNNABLE?
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jimeye
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:40pm…What exactly is it about these ‘flame’n socialists’,.they all have that crazy glassy eyed zombie look…I guess when your only God is power and oppression, you’re intellectually vacant, and hence, that bug eyed appearance….
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perry1980
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:28pm2 marxists socialists peas in a pod
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MBarnhurst
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:26pmAnother good reason to vote for Romney!
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OniKaze
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:25pmI am not sure I see a problem with the N.G. being called against a LARGE mob of Vandels, Rapists, and Violent Mental-cases that we all commonly know as the “occupy” Bowel Movement…
I mean, thats kinda what we PAY the guard for… To guard our nation against threats… And the Poop-cupy Bowel movement has proven time and time again that they are nothing but un-organized vandels and anarchists that do nothing but destroy things OTHER people play for…
Call the guard, and order them to “shoot to MAIM”!
WE DO have the right for peaceful protest in the U.S….. But Poop-cupy is NOT a peaceful movement… They are a violent group of mentally inept “takers” who are running out of people to take from..
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kickagrandma
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:16pmyou horrid old hag, go back to sleep.
OR,
go to china, cuba or russia; better still, iran.
they would love you there….
but not for long!
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NHwinter
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:22pmThe headline of this article is a very good reason to vote for Romney!!!! Yes, call the National Guard on those idiots in OWS and stop the rapes, destruction of property, etc.
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KevINtampa
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:52pm@NHWINTER
I don’t think it’s heated enough yet for a Bezmenov Normalization period yet, but it is coming and I think a resurgent Occupy movement will play a role. Surprised you’ve taken the stance of arguing for “Normalization”, perhaps you don’t know what you’re saying means? Useful idiots are on both sides of the isle, anyone clamoring for Normalization is the most useful of all the idiots, even those of Occupy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSPqaD6iOo
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Sep. 24, 2012 at 4:24pmSend them to North Korea. There the wonderful, warm and friendly comrades with such great and comforting smiles will welcome them into the reeducation camps of severe discipline where they will work 20-hour days non stop til they comply or die.
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NHwinter
Sep. 24, 2012 at 8:38pmKevINtampa – Did you see the word Normalization in my post? I said stop the destruction of property and the rapes. They have a right to protest, but not destroy everything around them. Maybe hesitating to call someone an idiot is a good thing.
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darkeningskies
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:16pmthey say the good die young
now we know why this evil minion is still kicking
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darkeningskies
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:15pmwow, the ancient wicked witch is for obungler…..what a shocker
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:13pmNo surprise from Fox Piven at all; why do we not add her to the terrorism to be apprehended list?
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The Third Archon
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:08pm“the level of militarization of the police in this last four years has escalated.”
Well THAT was set in motion LONG before Obama.
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1TrueOne55
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:07pmIf a tree falls in the forest does it make a noise to be heard outside the perimeter of the forest??? And if your in the trash of the Death Star without a communicator will anybody be able to hear you???
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MDDAWG
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:06pmFFP is an irrelevant neo-marxist. Unbelievable that the media even talks to her.
She said, “it’s because he will be “vulnerable” to the demands of Occupy Wall Street-like movements, particularly those pushing debt forgiveness…”
As soon as FFP and her marxist professor friends decide to teach for free, and get people who build and run the universities to do everything without pay, then there won’t need to be any tuition fees to attend the university. How’s that for stupidity.
She is an entitlement-ridden, pseudo-revolutionary, useful idiot.
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The_Jerk
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:16pmHess… Marx… Alinsky… Soros… Stern… Piven. All Jewish. Chance?
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Individualism
Sep. 24, 2012 at 6:15pmand the murderers or enforcers for the most part are white christian males many of them cueballs.
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The Third Archon
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:06pm“SURPRISE! FRANCES FOX PIVEN WANTS OBAMA RE-ELECTED BECAUSE HE IS ‘VULNERABLE’ TO OCCUPY, WHEREAS ROMNEY WOULD CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD”
LOL–because that went SO well at Kent State. Yeah, THAT wouldn’t have any political backlash AT ALL.
Also, the Governor of the respective state is in charge of, and deploys, the National Guard, not the President. The President could ASK him to do so, or the President could deploy the Army, or, IF it’s wartime (which when ISN’T it anymore), the President MIGHT (and I’m no sure about this one) be able to do a sneaky thing where he “activates” the National Guard (calling them into active duty service), THEN sends them in as part of his powers as commander-in-chief of the U.S. (i.e. federal) armed services (of which I BELIEVE, don’t quote me, but I BELIEVE that the National Guards of states can become a part of during wartime). But he couldn’t just DIRECTLY order them in, and maybe not at all during peacetime.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:13pmActually, the Commander In Chief does have the power to nationalize a particular area’s National Guard to use as he sees fit.
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The Third Archon
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:17pmYeah, I said that (or I said I thought that–I wasn’t sure). I’m pretty sure that it has to be during wartime though–the governors are SUPPOSED to be the “Commanders-in-Chief” of their respective state National Guards.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:23pmLook at their uniforms over the left breast pocket it says U.S. Army or U.S. Air Force, not the state’s name. All of the equipment, vehicles, weapons, and ammunition come from the federal government. Unless there is an actual state emergency in accordance with guidelines and laws, the governor of said state cannot move the guard without permission from the Pentagon, or the CIC.
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amazingphotos
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:26pmThe only problem with what happened at Kent State was the poor use of the M1 rifles with the 30-06 cartridge. The body count should have been MUCH higher. The ARVN team I was advising at the time could have given some much-needed marksmanship training to the Ohio National Guard.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 24, 2012 at 3:26pmTHE THIRD ARCHON, I just want you to know that I am not saying any of this just to dispute you. I am retired Army, and have had plenty of involvement in the past with movement of guard units, and their AT or Annual Training, in Florida, NY, and even in Germany.
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The Third Archon
Sep. 24, 2012 at 4:38pm@AMAZING
Wow, you are amazing–amazingly stupid. So I guess you think shooting unarmed American citizens exercising a 1st amendment right is morally acceptable? Real democratic of you–why don’t you just move to Russia or North Korea then, because it sounds like their government styles are MUCH more inline with your way of thinking.
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The Third Archon
Sep. 24, 2012 at 4:47pm@RJJ
Okay, for some reason the comment I keep trying to post isn’t showing up, so I’ll paraphrase–you’re probably right, I don’t know enough about the specific subject, I was merely reporting what I THOUGHT to be the case. I’m not exactly sure where I hear that, or on the specific organizational structure, as I said, merely reporting what I had heard to be the case, but could very well not be true. I myself don’t put much certainty in this belief because as I said, the National Guard is the part of the military I am most ignorant about–almost all of my family who have served/are serving are in either the U.S. Army, Navy, or Air Force. I think I might have a cousin in the Guard, but I’ve never talked to him about it–so my belief is FAR from authoritative and you are likely (again I don’t know because I am mostly ignorant on the subject) to be far more knowledgeable about it. I am/was merely reporting what I heard–don’t know if it’s true, and apparently it’s probably not, fair enough.
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Individualism
Sep. 24, 2012 at 6:14pmso basically she is saying Romney is more of a communist and constitution hater than Obama.
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amazingphotos
Sep. 24, 2012 at 7:46pmThe mob at Kent State was not unarmed. There is no First Amendment right to throw bricks and bottles at fellow citizens assigned to anti-riot duty. As soon as the first bottle hit the first Guardsman, all rioters within range became fair game. I was on the second of my three tours of duty in the Republic of Viet-Nam when I saw news images of a filthy mob of savage want-to-be commies attacking men wearing U.S. Army uniforms. Our biggest problem during the Viet-Nam war was a failure to kill enough commies either here or there due to stupid “rules of engagement.” Likewise, our major problem with illegal aliens is due to a failure to kill enough of the invaders as they cross our borders.
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:57pmIsn’t she the one who wonders why there is not rioting in the street. Isn’t she the one that got her strategy from the Watts riots. It’s it 0 that has the power to jail without due process and/or has a kill list that for all we know includes Americans. Romney is a SAINT compared to the hydra of evil 0 has unleashed on the whole globe and this hydra must have about 50 heads by this time. Progressives Project their EVIL on to the ones they want to defeat to make it look like they are the good guys when actually it is their evil plans. They will tell you exactly what they are doing by what they say about others.
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copatriots
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:56pmThanks, Old Hag, for giving the country another reason to vote 0bama out.
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saneromeo
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:56pmOWS is to meet with ahmadinajad sometime today…Craziness…
http://saneromeo.wordpress.com/
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woodyee
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:55pmThat’s not Piven!
Looks like Nancy Pelosi’s face-lift just failed!!!
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tj1961
Sep. 25, 2012 at 11:53amPiven looks like she is one of the LEE sisters……. First name UGG!!!
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Detroit paperboy
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:54pmTwo words ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;SEA HAG;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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ReddenBlack
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:53pmYes, This is a suprise, thats why the blaze is covering this as news…
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:52pmThe Crypt Keeper says “Electoral politics does not work as it is supposed to.” I guess that she means that electoral politics do not work when her side looses sometimes, instead of winning every time. There really should not be more than one side to politics, hunh?
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piper60
Sep. 24, 2012 at 2:52pmPiven needs to be escorted back to her padded cell, clearly.
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