Atheist activists have turned to a new-found War on Football, with secularists taking increasing aim at public schools in an effort to strip prayer and mentions of God out of athletics. Last week, TheBlaze told you about the epic battle unfolding between Christian cheerleaders and atheists in Kountze, Texas.
Now — after the school district officially banned Bible scriptures on banners and athletic messages, a court has issued a temporary restraining order in support of the students.
As initially reported, the trouble started after cheerleaders in the city of Kountze came up with the idea to add Bible verses to football banners after attending a cheer camp. The words of encouragement were intended to inspire the football team, but following a complaint, the district’s superintendent Kevin Weldon banned any and all religious-themed designs.

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While Weldon wouldn’t share who made the complaint, he did say that he was reluctant to comply with it. Despite his hesitation, the Kountze Independent School District leader did inevitably bend to the demands of the anonymous church-state separatist.
Not surprisingly, Religion News Service confirms that the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), an atheist activist group that generally leads these battles, sent the initial complaint against the district, calling the banners “inappropriate and unconstitutional.”
“It is not a personal opinion of mine,” Weldon said in an interview with KVUE. “My personal convictions are that I am a Christian as well. But I’m also a state employee and Kountze ISD representative. And I was advised that that such a practice (religious signs) would be in direct violation of United State Supreme Court decisions.”
To the delight of students who have rallied intensely to see the district’s ban be overturned, a judge in Hardin County, Texas, issued an order on Thursday, September 20, that will temporarily block the anti-scripture provision. Parents of the cheerleaders are suing over the district’s stance and are being represented by the conservative Liberty Institute in doing so.
“We are excited that the cheerleaders for the Kountze High School Lions can again do what they do best — cheer on their football team without government censorship,” proclaimed Mike Johnson, senior counsel with the legal organization.
While a hearing to further explore the issue will be held on October 4, cheerleaders, for now, can continue using Bible verses on their banners.
The restraining order forces the school to “cease and desist” enforcing the scriptural ban. The students have support from across the country, too, with more than 43,500 people joining the cause on a related Facebook page.
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JJBlazeReader
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:47pm..
This is how we do it, pushback. FFRF actions only re-enforce the negative views of atheists. Rational people do not see this as Congress/government “establishing” a religion. Christians are pushing back, we will not sit down and be silent.
Interesting how moot FFRF and other atheists are concerning President Obama’s statement made in front of the world/world leaders that “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”. Imagine the outcry if President George Bush went to the UN and said to the world that “the future must not belong to those who slander Jesus Christ”.
Sofar, I have not received a reply from Richard Dawkins on this although he is still tweeting that people should contribute to Pres. Obama. Rather hypocritical I would say especially when you take into account when Muslims reach a critical mass in a society, the first to be persecuted/killed will be atheists/secularists then Jews and Christians.
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Texas Chris
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:09pm“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
We have the freedom to exercise our religion. We do NOT have a “freedom from religion”. The constitution guarantees nothing of the sort.
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guns-an-bibles
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:16pm“shall make no law respecting an establishment” means exactly that. It is not saying you cannot talk God in school!
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Hanner
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:50pmAnyone notice how the Atheist Trolls have exploded on this story. These heathens seem to descend on these stories like a pack of wolves. They try to argue their mindless points of unbelief and REASON to no avail. As a Believer I encourage all other Believers to ignore these hateful people. You are just simply casting your pearls before swine when you try to prove your point to these mongrels. Or, casting the children’s bread to the dogs. Rise above arguing with people that want to argue over something that they don’t even believe in anyways. See the stupidity???
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SREGN
Sep. 26, 2012 at 4:19pmHanner – Better yet, just keep giving them the gospel as an answer to anything they throw at you.
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Hanner
Sep. 26, 2012 at 4:22pmThese hateful Atheists want to pick fights with our children now….Nice…trolls.
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From Virginia
Sep. 26, 2012 at 6:21pmWhat I find most interesting is that the FFRF launch these lawsuits all over the country when they have no standing in the court. Meaning they don’t launch them when someone has complained – they just launch them because THEY are offended. The ACLU at least would find ONE person the launch their lawsuits on behalf of.
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Hanner
Sep. 26, 2012 at 7:03pm@SRGEN, If I actually thought that scripture would have an impact on these hateful people I would load all of these sites with one sermon after another. Here’s the problem….Most of these “Atheists” on here actually used to be Believers. These blasphemers KNOW what the scriptures say, and that is why they know what to say to get people on here really riled up. They go out of their way to attack believers and blaspheme God. They aren’t just backslidden, they have a deep hatred of God. When someone goes this far from God that they would actually attack God’s children and curse God himself, I really don’t know if there is any hope left for them. You might think about the Apostle Paul and his persecution in the beginning, but remember, once Paul was converted he never looked back. A lot of these Atheists have actually known the Lord and fell away from him for whatever reason. That is why I say to not “cast the children’s bread” to these dogs. Only God can turn these people around. What is terrifying to think about is……. What does God have to do to wake these people up? Remember Sam Kinison (the comedian)? He was a Pentecostal preacher before he turned away. It took his death on the road headed to Nevada for God to get his attention in his final minutes. I never heard of Sam cursing God though. There is a difference.
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toiletclogga
Sep. 26, 2012 at 7:33pmI love The South!
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IslandAtheist
Sep. 28, 2012 at 9:44amFreedom of religion is freedom from YOUR religion.
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ArmyMedic70
Sep. 29, 2012 at 2:04pmTo islandatheist; that’s the most ignorant statement I have ever seen. Really are you a 5 y/o?
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relayman
Sep. 30, 2012 at 2:49pmI think the “establishment clause” of the First Amendment has been improperly interpreted to mean essentially that Congress cannot pass a law “establishing” or creating a national religion. The Framers had a remarkable economy for words. Keep that in mind. In the establishment clause of the First Amendment, it says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, …” It does not say that, “Congress shall make no law CREATING an establishment of religion.” Though that is in embedded in the Amendment, it is not the limit or the only purpose of the establishment clause of the First Amendment. In dictionaries of that time, the word “respecting” in that Amendment, meant the same as, “concerning.” It is basically saying that, in matters of established religious faiths, that Congress has absolutely NO jurisdiction, CONCERNING those religions. Cannot pass any law, period. Since our courts have no jurisdiction, except what is given to them by the Congress, and Congress shall make no law “concerning” established religious matters, the court are again obviously usurping the Law. I DO NOT NEED A BLACK ROBBED BLOWHARD TO TELL ME WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS OR DOES NOT SAY.
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GoMomGo
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:43pmThese comments have completely gone out into left field. Has anyone even bothered to check the Constitution? Cheerleaders holding up a sign with a Bible verse on it does NOT go against the Constitution. There is no freedom FROM religion; there is freedom OF religion….it simply says that the state cannot sponsor (or mandate) a religion. Check your history people.
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Texas Chris
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:10pmIt also says the state cannot prevent the exercise thereof.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
FFRF can go to hell, or Wisconsin, whichever they choose.
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Nepenthe
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:41pmWhen the cheerleaders hold up one of these signs, it is the same as saying that the school will now treat all non-Christians in an unequal manner.
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guns-an-bibles
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:22pmGoMomGo
AMEN
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guns-an-bibles
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:25pmNepenthe
WHAT!?
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bgotts27
Sep. 26, 2012 at 5:45pmTexas, I grew up in Wisconsin.
Winters there are NOTHING at all like that other place you suggested FFRF members go.
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ArmyMedic70
Sep. 29, 2012 at 2:12pmNEPENTHE: I was wrong now I have seen the dumbest statement ever. Where do you get this crap from? This stuff is a comedians dream
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mcsledge
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:35pmThe Founders feared that the state would create a national religion that would impede a man or woman’s right to agency according to their conscience as was the case in England.
Leave it to the courts to have violated the US Constition by overstepping their authority and establishing that religion — the Religion of Atheism.
Call me crazy, but every judge will one day stand before his/her maker and will be judged as to whether they upheld their oath to protect the US Constitution, not the precendences that followed.
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ssanda
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:22pmLet’s be honest–99.9% of people seeing that banner, just look and immediately forget about it. In other words, no big deal. It’s only the .0001% who seek to make an issue of it because they are “offended” or “intimidated” or “marginalized”. We see this happening across a broad section of issues in our country today–the rule of a vocal minority over the majority. As an aside, this is exactly the logic and tactic used, and a paraphrase of the language spoken by John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, 11 years prior to the start of the Civil War. And, we all know how the use of that logic turned out.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:32pmMajority support is meaningless, a violation of the establishment clause, is a violation of the Constitution, period end of story. Let the cheerleaders go to a private school and hold up their banners, at a public school this offends the Constitution should be stamped out.
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Texas Chris
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:13pmNo, it does NOT violate the establishment clause. They are not forcing anyone to participate in cheer leading, or football. Those are extracurricular activities; voluntary.
The state cannot prohibit the exercise of religion. Preventing these girls from displaying scripture is preventing that very thing. Therefore, unconstitutional.
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bullcrapbuster
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:15pmFreedom of expression my fatuous friend, encinom.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:35pmThe Cheerleaders are acting as agents of the school, in a school sponsored event, in school uniforms, Establishment Clause. If they want to preach at game, take off the uniform and sit in the stands.
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I am 'We the People
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:43pmEnc…I always get a smile out of your posts, because they are so completely wrong in so many ways. Thanks dude; keep it up!
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guns-an-bibles
Sep. 26, 2012 at 4:44pmencinom
You are establishing the religion of atheism when you say “no God”. That goes against the constitution. Are you sure you want to go down that route?
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adouglass1
Sep. 26, 2012 at 6:24pm@ Encinom
honestly what is wrong with you I usually dont or cant take the time to sign in to respond but sometimes I must. After seeing your posts for years now im not shocked but really your level of hatred and fear is downright pathetic and pitiful. Is their anything you dont hate? I see form your posts you hate the family/kids,babies/God/Christians/Chick-Fil-A/rainbows/puppies/chocolate milk anything decent or moral. But you love some muslims/gayness/hate/ you must have a sorry pitifull life not living do you go sit at the park and cuss families out when you are not on the computer spewing your hate? I say grow up get a life grow a pair get a job change your clothes take a shower first find love do something. God bless you (you need him)
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 9:14pmguns-an-bibles
Posted on September 26, 2012 at 4:44pm
encinom
You are establishing the religion of atheism when you say “no God”. That goes against the constitution. Are you sure you want to go down that route?
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Enforcing the Constitution is not establishing a religion. I am not saying the there should be banners denying God, that would be promoting atheistism. I am saying that the School must not violate the Establishment Clause by promoting one religion, Christianity over all others.
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Centurian
Sep. 26, 2012 at 9:36pmEncinom,
You seem to have it slightly backwards.
If the school was requiring that the cheerleaders did it, then you MIGHT have a case, since it would appear that it was the school that was making the cheerleaders do this.
But in this situation, it was the cheerleaders who decided to do this. Thus, by not allowing them to display these banners, you are violating their first amendment rights.
That is the difference…
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Daniel from TN
Oct. 2, 2012 at 7:10pmIf they are offended it is because they WANT to be offended.
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America or obama this November! You can’t choose both!
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deadend
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:02pm@phillyatheist what a cold existence people like you must lead knowing that this is it nothing you do matters when your gone that is it. That is why I cannot trust an atheist because you can say you have moral but you have no higher power to answer to. That means the rapist the murderer the thief all their options as to why what they do is justified in doing what they do caries no more or less weight the anyone else’s option. Don’t give me the garbage that it is societies right to decide because most atheist will not accept Christian society making then hypocrites.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:08pmWell, . . . . societies DO make laws. Where do you think they come from? Even if they claim to be founded on some “belief in god”, it is still humans who penned them on the books for others to follow.
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JRook
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:25pmRight and the universe and all living things are only 10,000 years old. You spout off as if you know something and have some greater insight into your so called higher power. A rational mind looks around and realizes there is some higher energy or force in the universe (call it God). However, the fact is we have no clue what it is and probably could not understand it if it was revealed to us. You identify one religious faith and one religious book as being superior and more informed all based on your faith and your beliefs. And you come here and judge others who seek a more rational answer. There is no greater arrogance than someone identifying their religion as being superior, asserting they have more insight into God or even worse inferring they are closer to God. Sir, there is not greater arrogance and clearly no greater folly.
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scarebear83
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:55pmActually JRook a “rational mind” counts the cost of what he/she believes. You don’t take a blind leap off a cliff so to speak, that’s not what faith is. Faith is rational. We know that the universe did not create itself. We know that God is alive and that He speaks to us through His inspired word. Faith is trusting, it is an action word. The greatest arrogance is assuming “we can’t know.” We *can* know the question is are you willing to look for it?
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:17pmDEADEND – there’s nothing cold about it. in fact, i have little fear of death (except for the pain part) largely because i don’t worry about where i’m going. if i had a brain that worked like yours, i’d be scared to death that i didn’t live life on earth properly – oh no, am i going to hell??? i have no such fears. i love life and it sucks that i don’t get to live forever, but all good things come to an end.
JROOK – well said.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:20pmScare, . . you cannot “know” any of what you just stated. It is arrogant. You have a belief based upon the works of man [group of religious texts that were joined together for convenience]. But a “strong feelings” doesn’t make it a “truth”. That’s just the way it is. You are free to hold to a metaphysical belief, but it can’t be rational, other than just a “rationalization that I’m okay with the ultimate power and ‘he’ will let me enjoy an afterlife in a pleasant garden”.
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SREGN
Sep. 26, 2012 at 4:16pmPhilly – I don’t have a single doubt about where I’m going either. And thanks to God’s wonderful plan and Jesus’s incredible love my failings don’t matter. I am saved by grace. Grace means unmerited favor. If I had to earn it I could never achieve it. Grace is a gift, given out of love.
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scarebear83
Sep. 26, 2012 at 5:11pmDeavonreye: So It’s arrogant to be rational and know the truth? Is it arrogant to say that you know gravity is there and that it works all the time? Knowing something and acknowledging it as truth is not arrogant. Again as I have said faith is not some blind leap off a cliff it is rational and well thought out. Take for instance what you said about my belief being that of works of men. Men wrote the Bible by inspiration of God not because they were sitting around bored one day. How do I know it was by inspiration of God? Because it was authored by some 40 writers over a period of about 1600 years and it all flows together. There are some 300 fulfilled prophecies about people, events, and nations that were made before Jesus. There are some things in the Bible you can find out in the history books etc. like cultural habits etc.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 5:30pmScare, . . . yes, it is absolutely arrogant to make such claims [calling your unsubstantiated beliefs true without credible evidence]. It is why I am not arrogant in saying “there are no gods”. I cannot know all there is, so I cannot make that call. In turn, just because a grouping of religious texts [of which you seem to be unaware of its actual history, but that's okay because such things aren't taught from church pulpits] makes a claim, that doesn’t make those claims true.
As for “40 writers”, no one knows who wrote MUCH of the texts. Tradition at best. Truth? Another call you can’t make. Even so, why would you be impressed when it [seems to] match. There are places that don’t, but that’s for another time. The books of the collected works [the bible] were worked over for centuries. It isn’t surprising that it “matches” with that much human interaction.
Prophesy? Pretty much all of it is SO vague that you can make it say anything you want. I’ve seen plenty of “messianic prophesy”. Similar past stories suddenly become “prophetic” [when history merely repeats itself and people do the same things]. The parts that are insisted upon are said to be “prophetic”. If a section of the SAME story doesn’t match, it isn’t used as “evidence of messianic prophesy”. It is all about interpretation. Not at all compelling.
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scarebear83
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:00pmDeavonreye- I know I’m not going to know everything that’s an impossibility. What I am stating is that a person can know the truth when it comes to God and salvation.
Regardless if you believe the number of men the fact remains it was written by several different men over different periods of time and it flows together. Let’s say you had Shakespeare start a writing and over the years you had people like Lewis Caroll, Tolstoy, Edgar Allan Poe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and Ayn Rand add to it, all of which have a writing style all their own, do you think it would be one cohesive flowing story? I would doubt it.
As for prophecy, in order for it to be inspired it can’t be vague like the writings of Nostradamus or others. Biblical prophecy is precise, for example, Ezekiel stated that the city of Tyre would be destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar Ezekiel 26:7-8 (which happened 586-573BC), many nations would come up against it 26:3, it would be leveled and scraped clean and stones, timbers, and soil would be cast into the sea 26:4,12 (which happened in 332 BC under Alexander the Great [the siege of Tyre]) and the city wouldn’t be rebuilt to it’s former glory 26:14 (Muslims crushed the city in 1291 AD). This is anything but vague prophecy.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 27, 2012 at 8:55amScare, my point is, . . . if you have a religious system, you would expect it to match. . . even over centuries and writers. How is this significant?
Ezekiel’s “Prophesy”: Ezekiel also “prophesied” that Nebuchadrezzar would attack Egypt and that Egypt would be uninhabited for 40 years.
Anyway, your argument about the city of Tyre is essentially from Josh McDowell’s Evidence that Demands a Verdict. McDowell grossly misrepresented the facts. In fact, Ezekiel’s prophecy about Tyre is a false prophecy, for Tyre is a living city today and it is in the same place it was in ancient times.
Ezekiel said that Nebuchadrezzar would totally destroy Tyre and it would never be rebuilt. Ezekiel was one of those in the Babylonian Captivity when he made his “prophecy”, and he knew full well of Nebuchadrezzar’s plans to attack Tyre, and Ezekiel “prophesied” against Tyre because its inhabitants had spoken ill of Jerusalem following its recent destruction as recounted in Ezekiel 26:2-3. The prophecy was therefore against the Tyrians of his own time, not those of several hundred years in the future.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 27, 2012 at 8:56amThe prophesy was not made three years before the fact. McDowell was lying about that to support his argument. The prophecy was made in the eleventh year of the Captivity, which was 586 BC, and being one of those in the Babylonian Captivity, Ezekiel would have known full well that Nebuchadrezzar was preparing to attack Tyre. Nebuchadrezzar began his siege of Tyre in 585 BC, but the siege was a failure and after 13 years an agreement was made that Tyre would become a vassal of Babylon.
Despite its visitudes over time, the city of Tyre still stands today on what was the original island, though it is now connected to the mainland by the causeway that Alexander the Great built.
See Tyre Through the Ages, by Nina Jidejian, and The History of Tyre by H. Jacob Katzenstein.
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scarebear83
Sep. 27, 2012 at 4:21pmNo clue who McDowell is.
Let me direct you to an interesting point, verse 12 of that chapter states “They will plunder your riches and pillage your merchandise; they will break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water.”
This is what wikipedia states on the Tyre, Lebanon page; Alexander the Great connected the island to the mainland coast by constructing a causeway during his siege of the city, demolishing the old city to reuse its cut stone.
So if Ezekiel made the prophecy during the time of Nebuchadnezzar then how could he have known this if it weren’t divinely inspired? It happened some 200 years later. But Tyre has not been rebuilt, not to it’s original glory. Also from wiki: “The part of the original island that is not covered by the modern city of Tyre consists mostly of an archaeological site showcasing remains of the city from ancient times.”
I should also point out that just because one is taken into captivity doesn’t mean that they know what they’re enemy is up to. For example I don’t think the Jews would have known where Hitler was going to strike. I highly doubt those plans would have been divulged to them.
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blackyb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:49pmThe Islamists are at war with the One True God. This is obvious.
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blackyb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:48pmHell and Heaven are at war. We are in the middle of it.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:01pmGoing with the argument that your bible/doctrines are true, . . . . . how could there be “a war between hell and heaven” if heaven has the ultimate power on its side? Does “the dark” have more power than god can handle? . . . . . Thus “a war”?
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Texas Chris
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:17pmThe fact that Man has a free will, and part of God’s creation seeks to ruin as much of God’s pleasure as it possibly can before He completes His plan, is interpreted by theologians as a war between heaven and earth.
God is seeking companions who freely choose to honor Him; the adversary wants to deny God that relationship out of spite, envy, jealousy, pride…
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:44pmIf “god is perfect”, . . . what would ‘he’ need with “pleasure” or even “companions”? These things suggest a need that isn’t fulfilled without “us”, so it couldn’t be “perfection”. It seems odd that a being would “need to have recipricating love of something of its own free will” if it is whole in itself.
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deadend
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:48pmI just love the libs. The Atheists who say we are ingrate and intolerant then turn and do the same as the accuse us of. The gays who do same. This is the time chosen and somewhat prove tactic of the left.
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JRook
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:06pmSE Cupp is an atheist, but certainly claims to be a conservative. Your generalizations are a sign of well honed ignorance.
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vaman
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:28pmLOL! War on Xmas, then a war on women, then a war on religion, now a war on football? What’s this world coming to? Or is it there is no war on any of those things. Just a bunch of crazy hill billys making up stories. Keep your god out of schools. I don’t think god would appreciate people wasting prayers asking for some rural high school football team to have victory over their opponent. Totally unchrist like. I want banners to Satan if you can have them to jesus. Freedom of religion is guaranteed, no matter what the religion it is.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:39pmlet’s not forget all the wars on tv:
storage wars
swamp wars
cupcake wars
parking wars
whale wars
shipping wars
etc…
me thinks America may be obsessed with war.
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blackyb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:47pmWhen you use an “X” to denote Christ you are taking Christ out of Christmas. This should not be.
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hi
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:53pmI am a Christian and I agree that there should not be a Bible verse. I love the banner. But, they were Muslim cheerleaders with a banner celebrating 911, I would not like it.
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ssanda
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:07pmV-
Because you’re obviously a very smart guy, I know you’d want to spell the plural of “hillbilly” correctly–it’s “hillbillies”. As a proud descendant of “hillbillies”, I also want to compliment you on your understanding of the mind of God; i.e. knowing what he “appreciates”. I hope to read more of your insight in the future.
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:11pm@HI
You’re equating a Bible verse with a sign celebrating 9/11?
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JRook
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:28pmI defer to my high school football coach who correctly indicated that the cheerleaders were the most demoralizing thing in sports. Most of the cheers in and of themselves are rather lame and of no interest to many beyond their friends and parents. Not sure the addition of bible verses raise the bar much. It is interesting to note that most of the student cheering sections, their peers, have moved away from the cheerleaders and supply their own cheers.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:36pmblackyb
Posted on September 26, 2012 at 12:47pm
When you use an “X” to denote Christ you are taking Christ out of Christmas. This should not be.
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Another ignorant comment from a so-called Christian, learn your Greek and you’ll no why X-mas is appropriate. Than again, you are a fool that seeks to destroy the secular republic the founders gave us and replace it with a Taliban styled Christian theocracy.
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PorkPIG
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:39pm@HI
I agree with you .in the fact that the Cheerleaders are tax payer funded and should be held to rules that fall under it . I would be completely outraged by filthy Muslim message or even a anti Christian Atheist message . Allowing one opens the door to all .
I however believe the state should get out of the education business and allow for privatized schooling were free speech us supported , and us funding sources can choose were and who to support . A great way to Allow Privatized school would be to allow me to keep my Property tax fund and use them to send My children to the school of my choice .
A side note , If i were the cheerleaders I would have organized a contingent of followers to wave the sign from the stands .
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God_Is_Not
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:21pmThe Bible solves this.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
1st Timothy 2:12
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:29pmIn the context of the church genius, not a football game.
“Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.”
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NOTMOHAMMED
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:42pmSo then, by your reasoning Timothy would not listen to The Blessed Virgin Mary, St. Ann, St. Joan, St. Therese, St. Bernadette and St. Faustina and a host of others. You’re a fool to interpret The Bible that way. Husbands are not to listen to or obey their wives either? Good luck with that one, buddy.
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:53pm@NOTMOHAMMED
Your ignorant reply would work with a catholic maybe. I don’t recognize any of those people besides Mary. Mary never tried to teach any men in the Temple. Mary was a sinner just like everyone else. That doesn’t make men more important than women. It just spells out the roles we are to have. Women are charged with teaching other women and children about all things spiritual. They are highly esteemed of God. Paul even commends Timothy’s mother and grandmother for his biblical training. But, I bet you already knew that…..
And the Bible tells husbands to submit to their wives just as their wives are to submit to the husband. Again, not in the context of the church. Your lack of basic biblical understanding is pretty evident. Better bring your A game if you want to debate theology with me pal. I’ve studied it long and often.
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God_Is_Not
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:34pmSquid,
Nice work. By not recognizing satire you managed to expose your misogynistic, egotistical character.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:44pmGod_Is_Not
Posted on September 26, 2012 at 1:34pm
Squid,
Nice work. By not recognizing satire you managed to expose your misogynistic, egotistical character.
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Not only is he a misogynistic, he has also demonstrated his anti-Catholic bigotry and his lack of knowledge of the bible (within Luke Mary is described as being “Full of Grace.” To be full of grace one can not have the taint of sin).
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Watchingtheweasels
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:19pmThe day is coming soon when we Christians will simply have to ignore atheists, attorneys, and judges and use the first amendment rights that we have.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:35pmare you sure you don’t mean 2nd amendment?
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:36pmSo, you want the Christians to form a lawless, unconstitutional Theocracy. Another Beckerhead showing that he is no patriot.
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From Virginia
Sep. 26, 2012 at 6:18pm@Encinom – When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation………..
……..But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The Constitution has been destroyed by this and many other administrations and was never meant to be a suicide pact.
Call us all the names you want to (American Taliban; believers in theocracy) but you and yours are making it impossible for us to live in your heathen country.
And yet you accept at face value your muslim-in-chief when he states America is the largest muslim country in the world. That limiting free speech criticizing “the prophet” is the be quashed to make America sharia compliant. That while you foam at the mouth about some cheerleaders putting bible verses on a banner you are silent that most schools now require children to take classes on islam while excusing muslim students from classes 5 times a day so they can pray – thus disrupting the class for religiou
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blackyb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:15pmAtheists are tools for Islam. They are helping close free speech. They are willing tools of Islam.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:24pmNo one is taking away personal freedom of speech. On trial is a publicly funded “expression of faith’ only. FUNDED with public funds must remain neutral on many issues, religion included. Private expression and signs. . . .even like the one on the field, . . . is not the same thing. Feel free to do so.
But atheists ALSO speak out firmly against Islam, too.
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:43pm“But atheists ALSO speak out firmly against Islam, too.”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. ROFL, LMBO. Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, my side…. It hurts…. Man, now that’s funny! ha ha ha ha ha ha *wiping my eyes* Best laugh I’ve had in a while.
Wait, you were being serious?
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:51pmSquid, . . . just because my statement caused you to attempt to “trivialize it with your laughter” doesn’t mean that it was false statement. If you don’t see it, maybe you’re not seeing the right videos or speakers. Atheism speaks against Islam, too. Do your own homework.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:54pmFurthermore, . . . I task you, or anyone else, to find a legitimate atheist who says that they are against all religions. . . . .except for Islam. Just one!
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:09pmOh no, you’re right. I was trying to do my homework but, when I was researching all the lawsuits brought by atheist groups against Islamic organizations, I had a hard time finding them. Maybe because they were buried under the multitude of responses about atheists suing Christians. You know, the needle in the haystack thing.
Then I was looking for all the atheists protesting outside mosques. Nope, no luck there either.
Also no luck finding anti-Mohammed billboards posted by atheists (although there was at least one throwing Islam in with Christianity and Judaism as a myth, so there is one brave soul… sort of)
But, I have to admit that you guys BRAVELY stand up against them (anonymously on internet message boards)
I stand corrected. Ha ha ha ha ha
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:14pmBTW, your posts don’t need my laughter to be trivialized. I think that ship has sailed.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 2:38pmSquid, . . . when muslim groups start using public funds to support their agenda, then you can be guaranteed that groups will oppose them. BUT, you are WRONG that they aren’t against Islam, too. But, ISLAM isn’t the foothold in this country like christianity, SO, . . . that is why they [FFRF] go after christian ideologies. But DO NOT misunderstand FFRF from what OTHER legitimate atheist organizations or spokespersons say against Islam. I could care less about FFRF and their “goals”.
You can make yourself appear like my comments are trivial, but those who are actually knowledgeable in the topic aren’t as indoctrinated at you are, so your “attempt to trivialize” is laughable.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:08pmLet me be clear. I do not support FFRF or their goals. It doesn’t bother ME if people express their religious beliefs. I see them as powerless, but you are free to hold and express them. What I am critiquing is the statement that “atheists aren’t against islam”. They most definitely are!
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G.E.R
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:15pmThe only thing worse than christians are cheerleader christians.
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SquidVetOhio
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:45pmThe only thing worse than athiests are……. Well, Satan I guess. Wait, no he believes in God too.
I guess there’s not anything lower than atheists.
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G.E.R
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:19pmActually your god is pretty low. Your god is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. He is jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak. he is a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleansing misogynistic homophobe. He is a racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, and a capriciously malevolent bully.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:11pmUltimately, it makes little difference to me if the school allows people to express their religious texts banner for the team to run through. The words are powerless, and will do nothing more than the team would have done [performance] anyway. Maybe a “happy thought about the words”, . . . but you can get the same thoughts from non-religious motivational phrases.
In fact, many of the more profound phrases, for me, were found outside of the bible. Not saying there are a few places that are good words, in the bible, . . . just have to wade through the other stuff to find them.
Anyway, whether this is a lasting “victory” or not, time will tell. Makes little difference to me.
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Lawrence7
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:04pm“It is not a personal opinion of mine,” Weldon said in an interview with KVUE. “My personal convictions are that I am a Christian as well. But I’m also a state employee and Kountze ISD representative. And I was advised that that such a practice (religious signs) would be in direct violation of United State Supreme Court decisions.”
Exactly what decision says that such practice is illegal?
There isn’t one. All this is legal fear-tactic baloney.
If this school administrator is a Christian, as he says he is then he should stand up against this legalistic baloney and support the free speech our Constitution protects.
Christians cow-towing to these threats of law-suites are the ones lending the most credence to their arguments against us.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:49pmIf the administrator wants to put his faith before his tax payer funded job, then he needs to quiet. He is employed to act with the laws of the State and the US Constitution. The Jurisprudence is clear that the signage held by the cheerleaders violates the Establishment Clause. He must enforce the law.
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SREGN
Sep. 26, 2012 at 4:34pmEncinom – The reason Christ scares you so much is because in your heart you know the truth, and what the truth unheeded will cost you. Apparantly other religions don’t fill you with the same dread. Perhaps the reason you are not so afraid of Hinduism or Islam is that in your heart you know their fallacy. Christophobia doesn’t suit you, my friend. Do some more research and it will bring you to the light.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 6:04pm@SREGN The issue has nothing to with my beliefs, but everything to do with the duty of government workers. government workers are hired to carryout the laws of the land, not to enforce the whatever holy text they believe in. In a Secular Republic the government worker’s religious beliefs have zero weight when enforce and carrying out the law. The Establishment Clause is the law of the land.
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ArmyMedic70
Sep. 29, 2012 at 2:50pmEncinom, being a school administrator, he does not have to defend the law!!! But he does have to support the girls freedom of choice, or he is breaking the law. The girls might be reprasentatives of the school but that does not mean they give up rights. And ask the parents who paid for those uniforms. Plus how much of the peoples tax $ go to keep the school open. And keep extra activities avaiailable for students. So it really comes down to freedom of choice and citizen funded programs.
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Mamma Bear
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:00pmWait a minute – thought Cheerleading wasn’t a sport? How can the schools tell these brave little girls what they can and can’t do. In most areas these girls receive no funding from their school. They are forced to raise their own monies or their parents pay for their uniforms. They travel to camps and competitions on their own dime, yet when they win trophies the school gets to keep those for display. Time for folks to stand up! Way to go girls!!!
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Texan832
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:55amI posted when this story first posted here, there are three thngs in Texas yu dont mess with
1 GOD
2 FOOTBALL
3 GUNS.
these GOD hating infidels have attacked two of those three, yeah good luck with that.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:03pmyou just gave me 2 good reasons to avoid traveling to Texas. i guess you’re not on their tourism board.
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THERAPTURCOMES
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:07pmMy question is this
Why are they proclaiming Christ all the while wearing mini skirts that in fact do cause lust in the hearts of men????
Does the bible have anything to say about this? Yes it does 1 Tim 2:9
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marvlus
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:15pmPhillyatheist, I’m sure the Texans won’t miss your presence.
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SREGN
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:17pmI gotta move to Texas. Is there still room for me? I promise to renounce all my jersey ways and behave.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:21pmThe people of this town just need to find out who is making the complaint and the problem will self-correct.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:50pmI thought you don’t mess with Texas, cause it’s not nice to make fun of “special” people.
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kickagrandma
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:51amYou, go, CHRISTIANS!!!
We stand now in JESUS’ name, for HIM and all HIS PROMISES to us because “tomorrow” will be too late.
The ONLY separation of “church and state” was to keep a state religion from taking over, example, Catholicism, esp. in Latin America. It wasn’t so much about being a CHRIST-follower as it was being a CHURCH-follower. That’s the separation the Founding Fathers were speaking about, not separation from JESUS AND GOD.
Hooray for the kids and the judge.
Freedom From Religion Folks~~~ you got that right. you’re just fighting the wrong folks. It’s the muslimes and sharia law you should be fighting. DUH…..
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Sirfoldallot
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:56amIf Obama gets elected NASCAR will be driving electric cars with solar panels & there will be a pledge 2 him followed up with a Muslim prayer.
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encinom
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:52pmIt becomes clear that the largest group that is a threat to the US Constitution and the Secular republic, is internal, its the Conservative Christians. They are to eager to ignore the Constitution to advance their mythology. They seek to make sure that their myths is first and foremost in town squares and even go so far as to replace science with it.
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computernerd2352
Sep. 27, 2012 at 3:10am@ENCIMON or whatever your user name is, do you really have so much time on your hands that you respond to everyone’s response with a troll answer? By the way, my grandfather was the editor of the barley newsletter, a newsletter that published scientific and agricultural results, oh and also by the way he was a researcher and a christian. You saying he was not a true scientist?
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COFemale
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:48amIt is time to put FFRF in their place. Quite trying to prevent us from exercising our 1st Amendment rights. The students do not represent the state and are not employees of the school. They have a right to write these scriptures on banners. If a school official can’t initiate the scriptures on banners, nor does he have the right to deny them. It is a logic conclusion.
I pray that FFRF will stop their hateful rhetoric and join the rest of American and let people practice their religion. If you are offended, please I will buy you a one way ticket to a country of your choice; I hear Iran has a great weather this time of the year.
Annie GAYlor is just a bitter old woman who needs to get a life.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:58ami had no idea that a key element in practicing your religion includes football players running through scripture as they come onto the field. good to know.
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Gregb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:05pmFreedom of speech is a very important right. It is being challenged by the UN, by our president and by our secretary of state. If they were pro-muslim signs, there would be no problem at all…
Romney/Ryan – 40 days!!!
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termyt
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:10pmTHe only tenet in your religion appears to be mocking Christians. I can’t even imagine why reference to a God you claim doesn’t exist is so unnerving to you.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:26pmTERM – i hear about your deity all the time. it doesn’t bother me in the least. i often think it’s funny that people waste so much time on something imaginary, but i guess you have to pass the time somehow. i prefer watching football on sundays, but i must admit i miss those yummy communion wafers. we all have to make sacrifices.
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FoxFace
Sep. 26, 2012 at 10:42pmSo, with your comment, bringing up the first amendment, would you stand behind the right of all religion to be in public schools? Including Wicca and Paganism? Would you, stand behind being allowed to bring tarot cards to a school,just as you are to being allowed to write gospel quotes on banners?
I received detention and in school suspension for brnging my tarot cards to school, as well as my witch craft books. If you want to have your religion in school, so be it. But, then you cannot deny any other religion.
Also, our country was NOT founded on being a Christian. It was founded on Religious FREEDOM.
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Sirfoldallot
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:46amLeave it 2 women once again 2 stand up & be strong. The men now days r in high % of being weak.
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RANGER1965
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:45amChristians have been pushed into a corner for so long now that they are finally beginning to wake up, and they’re pissed.
We are seeing the beginnings of a counter revolution against tyrannical secularism.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:53ammust be a big corner. and what, pray tell, is tyrannical secularism?
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RANGER1965
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:02pm@PhillyAtheist
You need to cuddle up with a good dictionary, and a big ole bucket of Critical Thinking.
Failing that, take some classes.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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phillyatheist
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:17pmRANGER – you’re funny. a big old bucket of critical thinking? where do you come up with this stuff? lol
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momrules
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:45pmRanger 1965………..Yes Christians have finally started waking to the fact that there is no way to pacify the God haters. You give a GH an inch they will demand five miles. They are just like the Muslims. They can’t be happy just worshiping Satan themselves, they insist we all do.
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:56pmmomrules, . . . dear. . . . . true “worship” requires that the “worshipper” do so knowingly. So, I find your statement that “they want christians to worship Satan with them” to be rather odd.
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momrules
Sep. 26, 2012 at 1:20pmDeavonreye…….Sweetie……There are those who are atheist and then there those like the FFRF members who advocate the removal of God from public view. They have a hatred for God and I believe they worship Satan whether they, or you, think they do or not
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DeavonReye
Sep. 26, 2012 at 3:11pmI personally can’t “worship” what is fictional. That would be absurd. Could there be some who label themselves “atheists”, but are actually satanists? Maybe. Seems like a waste of time, . . . .but I still say that “worship” cannot exist with that which isn’t there, . . . if you are realistic.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:45amENCINOM’s head will explode in 3…..2….1…..
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TeresaJ
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:55pmBest post here. :)
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The Jewish Avenger
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:36amGood Luck ladies…
and God be with you and your community…
Don’t we have a right to FACE our accusers?
Or has that been taken away as well in the name of diversity?
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KevINtampa
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:50amFunny thing is, if their sign read:
May Godless Heathens March Ahead of You
There would be no issue at all.
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gryffn
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:35amTime to tell anyone and everyone to shutup about our Christian traditions. Don’t like them? Go elsewhere.
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blackyb
Sep. 26, 2012 at 12:57pmThat is exactly what they should do. Run them out of our country and treat them as they do Americans and Christians in their country. They should never be allowed into this country.
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floridareader
Sep. 26, 2012 at 11:35amWhy temporary? Until they decide the First Amendment is legal?
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