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Up to 40,000 Protest Across Germany for Higher Taxes on the Wealthy

Sep. 29, 2012 4:14pm Erica Ritz

Thousands of Protesters in Germany Demand Higher Taxes for the Wealthy

An activist wears a cape with counterfeit bills in a demonstration against the increasing gap between wealth and poverty on September 29, 2012 in Berlin, Germany. (Photo: Getty Images)

(TheBlaze/AP) — Thousands across Germany are protesting for more taxes on the wealthy, specifically for the introduction wealth and financial transaction taxes. They are also looking for higher property taxes, according to EuroNews, and for the government to crack down on tax evasion.

Organizers said Saturday around 40,000 people took to the streets in 40 different cities to demand what they believe would be a more “equal” society.

(Photo: EuroNews)

Police estimates of the turnout in the country’s biggest cities were lower than the organizers’, however.

Frankfurt police said about 4,000 took to the streets, and Cologne reported 2,000. Authorities in Berlin declined to provide an estimate, but organizers said about 5,000 protested in the country’s capital.

(Photo: EuroNews)

The organizers – including unions, civil society groups and the anti-globalization group Attac – demand a permanent tax on people’s wealth “to have rich households contribute significantly more.”

They said the tax they’re supporting would only affect the country’s wealthiest citizens, with almost 99 percent not paying additional taxes.

The rhetoric and symbolism seem to mirror American protests from the notorious group “Occupy Wall Street.” They, too, are fond of Guy Fawkes masks and discussing the “99%.”

(Photo: EuroNews)

Union leader Frank Bsirske commented: “Where does the debt come from? It comes from the bank bailouts during the bank crisis, and a tax system that favors the wealthy…”

Germany has been one of the countries keeping Europe afloat as country after country is rocked by high unemployment, high taxes, and low growth.

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The Bald Eagle
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:46pm
Germany 1933, ring any bells..

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- The_Jerk
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 8:33pm
  Let Europe go. Get out of the Central banking system. Stop our Fed from sending our wealth throughout the world. It ain’t the Muslims. It’s the Shylocks.
  
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- Honestybefore truth
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:04pm
  Why is it that if these people are correct in their beliefs and righteous in their cause so many hide their faces behind masks and bandanas? Hiding your face gives rise to a comparison with thieves and thugs.(Which in reality is what these people are!)
  
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- John 1776
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 7:03pm
  The idiocy of “kill the rich” is spreading. How long until “rich” is replaced by “Jew?” Leading up to WWII, the propaganda was that the “bankers” had taken all the money. We know how that verbiage Progressed.
  
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cookcountypatriot
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:38pm
wow thier progressives are as stupid as ours…reminds me of teachers screaming for more tax payer money….not to mention they are in the pocket of the muslim brotherhood..

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prkw
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:36pm
Look at the red flags carried by the protesting crowds. Written on it, “Die Linke”, or ‘The Left’, which is your friendly Communist Party. That’s no surprise.

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- The Bald Eagle
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:48pm
  No such animal of anything “Friendly” about communists…
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:27pm
So, bing this: Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Bigger and stronger than the Warsaw Pact ever was. Take a look at the bottom of their logo and what does it remind you of? Note all the members and watching members. They represent over half of the world population and the are allies.

Watch todays http://www.trevorloudon.com speech he gave in Oregon. He tells about many things I never heard of before. The Blaze has also allowed “The Project” to be shown on his site as of September 28, 2012 if you scroll down both Part 1 & 2.

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- Kalish
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:42pm
  All the so called rich people, should leave all these countries and take their businesses with them, and lets see how the bottom feeders do with starting up the economy, It is nothing more than jealousy on the part of the low lives that have not done anything with their lives
  
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- kalli
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:47pm
  Thanks for the great link. It appears there are a number of people who are trying to open the eyes of citizens to what is really the true agenda of this admin. And amazingly, the information is coming mostly from outside America, from people who have don’t have a media to shut them down. Trevor Loudon said, “Your military has saved you before and will save you again.” It will take the hand of G-d to save this country by using our military to our good. These traitors will need to removed.
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 8:51pm
  “All the so called rich people, should leave all these countries and take their businesses with them, and lets see how the bottom feeders do with starting up the economy”
  
  I’d be more interest in seeing how the bourgeoisie keep their businesses running without any workers.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:10pm
  Vox – Spoken like a true Marxist idiot. The wealthy will not move down to the lower classes with you losers if your way was tried.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 10:14pm
  @GIT
  So how exactly WOULD 0.5-1% of the population run the economy all by themselves?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 6:54pm
  TTA – They’ll still be wealthy, idiot. Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.
  
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MiCurmudgeon
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:19pm
All rich people should bail out of places like France and the USA. They earned their money not like the ‘Politicains “……Poli meaning many….Tics….meaning blood sucking parasites.

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kalli
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:18pm
The bottom-feeders actually think that they will be the recipients of the extra money taken from the rich. They are absolutely brainless fools. Perhaps we should send obozo to rule in Germany. He wants to tax everyone more so he can continue to live like a king off other people’s money. When you run out of other people’s money, then what you going to do?

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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:39pm
  Agree….. ” the cronies ” will be the only ones to make out & they will keep the king in power.
  The bottom feeders will get their 5″x 9″ apartment and a promise of someday
  
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SocialistSlayer
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:12pm
I often have wondered why people allowed Hitler to come to power. Mistakenly I always thought no group of people could have been so dumb. It seems now I was wrong; people are that dumb; political leaders are that dumb and it only takes a little misguided “Cause and Effect” to help them go down the wrong paths. God Help us All – We have to repeat History once again !

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:54pm
  exactly. people are happy to trade one tyrant for another – with no regard for unintended consequences
  
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Gary_K
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:06pm
I guess Germany has there share of stupid people too.

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- RANGER1965
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:13pm
  Stupid people yes…but being led by some very, very, smart bastards.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 7:17pm
  Evil bastards is more like it.
  
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zoro51
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:53pm
tax the wealthy to death n there wont be ANY jobs left…… stupid nazis

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Jenny Lind
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:52pm
So, 40,000 people in that whole country want to tax the wealthy? Wow, big whoop.

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- Alky
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:09pm
  “and a tax system that favors the wealthy…”
  Why does the left keep saying this… are they really that blind and stupid? In America the wealthy top 10% pay 70% of all taxes, how does that favor the wealthy??? Liberals and progressives are nothing more than indoctrinated useful idiots!!
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 8:57pm
  “In America the wealthy top 10% pay 70% of all taxes, how does that favor the wealthy?”
  
  One: not 70% of ALL taxes, 70% of federal income taxes. Highly regressive taxes such as sales taxes and payroll taxes continue to exist. Two: they also control over 85% of the wealth in the country, and make tremendous amounts of money off of capital gains (whose tax rate is something like 15%).
  
  So yeah, the tax system continues to favor the wealthy.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:12pm
  Vox – Spoken like a true jealous Marxist who wants everybody else to be as poor as you are. Rich people also purchase goods and services (far more than the other classes). Excuse me if not everybody should be making the same amount of money.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 10:05pm
  @GIT
  There are at LEAST 3 important public policy interests served by progressive taxation:
  (1) Stimulating aggregate demand by moving wealth from those with a relatively lower marginal propensity to spend (wealthier parties), to those with an relatively higher marginal propensity to spend (whether government or comparatively less wealthy individuals).
  (2) Promoting human welfare imperiled by lack of economic resources (i.e. addressing the harmful consequences attendant with poverty).
  (3) Paying the costs of government policies (whether regulatory, distributive, or redistributive) without compromising the two aforementioned interests.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 10:09pm
  Additionally,
  “Rich people also purchase goods and services (far more than the other classes).”
  Not true–as a CLASS rich people spend less, even though INDIVIDUALLY they spend more. This is because for every rich person there are thousands, if not millions, of poorer people, who spend a much higher proportion of their respective income.
  “Excuse me if not everybody should be making the same amount of money.”
  That’s not the point–the point is achieving the net maximal utility distribution of wealth. Moreover, simply because wealth is distributed in a particular way by an arbitrary system (I hate to burst your bubble, but God isn’t the one who set up our socioeconomic system) doesn’t mean, ipso facto, that that distribution is perfectly meritocratic.
  
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- booger71
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 11:16pm
  The Third Archon
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  I sure hope your not a teacher some where.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 11:55pm
  @BOOGER
  I’m not–if it makes you feel any better, I am a lawyer intending to go into politics and/or secure a seat in the federal judiciary, as high as the Supreme Court if I can.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 7:00pm
  TTA – What a big surprise that you’re going to become a liar (I can’t tell the difference between a lawyer and a liar).
  
  And it doesn’t matter that rich people spend less percentage on their needs, they still spend overall more money than those on the bottom, moron. Your system is also trying to equalize results however you try to spin it.
  
  There’s also no proof that your claims of how redistribution of wealth will work actually works that way. Might want to crack a history book. Or look at this economy now yet it’s not panning out the way you claim it will.
  
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mtsnj
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:51pm
Get rid of Greece, there a bad union…just shows to go what happens when the real people doing all the paying are tired of all the bailouts..let the banks fail, and GM…

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semihardrock
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:48pm
Cant the Fed just print more to give to Government as they do here…….They can call it the “IMF” Bond Buyout Program….

I dont understand? Or was the IMF “created from” the Fed Reserve off the backs of US Taxpayers? Im confused……..

Why do people who ACTUALLY EARN their money….. be labeled the villains?

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MAULEMALL
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:47pm
Glen got Over 10 times that on a workday

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:40pm
The UN is seeking to imose a tax on billionares; overseas transactions and even more, now Europe is entering a higher state of crisis and potential insurrection within each nation; extremist views and actions are on the rise – history repeating itself on an accelerating timescale.

So the questions that need to be asked:

How long until the EU collapse comes?
How long until a European war begins?
What will the map look like afterwards?

Will any of us here in the states be able to stave off, in part or full, the collapse of our own nation as well; and then how long until another global war commences?

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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:03pm
  Agenda 21….. The U.N./IMF and the federal reserve must go. Or no changes can take place If we want to be a free country. All governments are behind this. Vote all you want it aint going to change nothing. Untill we arm up and take this country back this will continue.
  
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- Cataclysm
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:06pm
  Does any country in Europe, other than the UK, even have a real Army? I know Germany has a good Airforce but thats about it. And France will loose in 5 days.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:32pm
  SNOW …of all people who post on BLAZE you remain about the most reasonable and realistic.
  
  Can you tell me if there is any part of this Jesse Ventura Video that could be true?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvBfwQSFtVE&feature=related
  
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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:21pm
  @Patty – consider:
  
  HSA considers as domestic terrorists:
  
  Conservative
  Christians
  Pastors
  Tea Party
  Limited Govt supporters
  Constitution supporters
  Civil rights supporters
  
  Also how many drones are now deployed by HSA and TSA and other FEDERAL agencies, who have their own SWAT teams? How much selective persecution (Gibson guitar company, never charged) and coersion have the DOJ committted along with Obama (first and foremost Fast and Furious)?
  
  I may not agree with Ventura completely, yet I do see, based on the fake ‘attempt on Saudi Arabias ambassador life by Iran’ that Obama is all too capable of a ‘wag the dog’ adventure to allow him to declare martial law.
  
  Do not forget as well, he has the terminate w/o due process executive order for his ‘enemies of the state’ list; and ‘unlimited detention w/o due process.’
  
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fancynancy
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:40pm
Envy is a terrible thing.

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- Dr Vel
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:08pm
  How much could they produce and earn in the time they spend protesting those who work for a living?
  
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MasterJoshua7
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:39pm
The only way to achieve “equality” is to treat certain people differently.

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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Slavery is Freedom!
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:14pm
  For Socialism to work, some people just have to be a little more equal than others.
  
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- Dr Vel
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:16pm
  The only slavery I see is the people working paying taxes so these leisure time protesting leeches can be out demanding from others instead of producing their own. At what point will those supporting all these worthless bums say enough. Stop working and earning so the money runs out to continue supporting those who choose not to work and support themselves.
  
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- U.N.hater
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:18pm
  @3rd antichrist: You do know your an enemy to this country right?
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 6:39pm
  @UN
  From your point of view, perhaps.
  
  But then, every movement for positive substantive change in history that has challenged the status quo has been labelled an “enemy of the state”–inasmuch as the status quo order of business of the state is the PROBLEM, that is not so bad a thing to be. From abolitionists, to de-segregationists, to civil rights activists, on and on and on–all were once called “radicals” and “enemies of peace and the public good” in their time. History, shall be the true and authoritative judge of the rightfulness or wrongfulness my intentions.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:09pm
  TTA – You have the same point of view as the former Soviet Union and history doesn’t look so kindly to that place.
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:10pm
  “The only slavery I see is the people working paying taxes so these leisure time protesting leeches can be out demanding from others instead of producing their own.”
  
  I know, right!? All these hard-working proletarians across the world, selling their time for a day’s wage or salary, and living at the expense and under the foot of a bloated, sociopathic class of capitalists who do nothing but sit around and collect money earned off stocks and interest.
  
  One day, the people who work for a living will overthrow the people who own for a living. I couldn’t agree more, comrade.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:39pm
  @GIT
  There’s more than one view of socialism–I’ve made mine pretty explicit, and it’s quite different than what’s been tried before; which had less to do with “socialism versus capitalism” and more to do with “command economies versus market economies”. I have no problem with the market as a price-setting mechanism–what I DO have a problem with is individuals who make money, not for the value of their labor input to the economy, but for their privilege of absentee titular ownership, or to be EVEN MORE specific, of the DIVISION between the two; if one were tied to the other, thus eliminating the “absentee” portion (i.e. if one’s title to the dividends of capital good ownership was directly correlated to the value added by one’s contribution to the consumer goods produced therewith) then there would not be the ‘free rider’ problem attendant with a system of private ownership of the means of production DIVORCED from their use.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 6:56pm
  TTA – Any way you try to spin it, socialism is a form of slavery.
  
  Vox – I didn’t know that those people who are on welfare were hard working people, LOL.
  
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ltdan
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:36pm
Oh wait! Lets take the countries wealth and distribute it across Europe for their failed policies, and then when things don’t go well lets go after those who are responsible for creating that wealth. Ummmm, have they lost their minds? Oh well, we’ll just follow their lead.

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1TrueOne55
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:35pm
George Soros (Georgy Schwarz) is on the move again. He wants a NAZI resurgence in Germany since Hitler was the progenator of Soros’ Open Society movement centered on Fabian Socialist Ideology. Create Chaos and move in and reform Society in to Progressivism’s version of an “Open Society”.

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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:44pm
  Don’t forget – Soros is also a Fabyian member – and they are in with him on this.
  
  Soros is a nightmare come to life; to this day there are countless people I show the videos of HIM and his own admissions and plans, the supporting evidence and so much more, and still they deny he could be doing all of this.
  
  That is among the biggest problems in dealing with Soros; his actions are bigger than life, on a scale only a hollywood villain could achieve (save that Soros is all too real), and thus most people do not wan to see.
  
  Fine then – until God calls me home I will pass on the truth and keep warning; no matter what the cost to me personally. I fully expect to go into the night defending the truth and this great nation; and if that is what God requires of me, so be it.
  
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elderbat
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:31pm
coming soon to a town near you or me, I fear…and Her Thighness is giving 45million to syria now (drudge). hide your rice…it’ll probably be worth the price of gold one day soon.

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ltdan
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:28pm
This is exactly like Atlas Shrugged, if I was wealthy I would be passive aggressive, stop, walk away and watch the engine of the world stop.

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- elderbat
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:32pm
  ditto that!
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:42pm
  Oh wouldn’t that be just WONDERFUL–then we could all see what a useless leech they are contributing nothing to the product of the economy and extracting rents from their absentee titular ownership of the means of production (i.e. capital goods). Simply owning things “by law” (a law made by and for themselves–SURPRISE, they’re “successful” at the game they’ve created, WHAT?! ) and charging rent for their usage is a valuable service…how exactly?
  
  I would LOVE to see all the capitalists get fed up and up and leave–then, all the people who are paid to do actual productive LABOR for the economy, could run the firms without having to pay tribute to this redundant blood-sucking aristocracy. What a WONDERFUL world Ayn Rand has painted for us–the fulfillment of her fantasy is more delightful to socialists than their own wildest dreams!
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:12pm
  Unless the wealthy also have some kind of technology allowing them to hide, or get away from the grasping hands of the masses then it won’t work.
  
  Once the engine begins to falter, and the world starts falling apart, the orc horde will look for someone to blame. The fortresses of the wealthy will burn just like everything else.
  
  The New World Order will rise from the ashes of this apocolypse. It will not make the mistakes of the old world, like celebrating success, or elevating virtues such as truth, courage, and honor. These are things of the old greedy, individualistic world. The New World will not worship invisible gods. Instead it will adore tangible things, such as the beautiful charismatic leader to come. A man who will usher in this glorious new age, and bring peace, harmony and equality to his children.
  
  There will of course be a few “bumps in the road”, just a few eggs that must be broken for this wonderful one world omelet.
  
  Some stubborn men and women consumed with hate for the new world, and worshipping some archaic god of the cross will have to be “re-educated”, and if not…well not everyone is enlightened enough, or suitable for the glorious utopia to come.
  
  But when it comes, just imagine!!!…..MMMmmmmmm….MMmmmmm….Mmm!
  
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- MFHorn3
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:24pm
  THE THIRD ARCHON I think Atlas Shrugged would be more prophesy than fantasy. Also, Rand advocated a lasse faire capitalist economy……..an economy in which laborers could start their own enterprises rather than take over existing enterprises by force.
  
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- MetalPatriot
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:31pm
  Hey, Ranger…Archon is only purpose is to stir the pot. The book your referencing has a lot of interesting stuff that’s happening before our eyes. There is a veil over the eyes/minds of many, purhaps it’s by design.
  
  Out.
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:33pm
  @ranger,
  
  nailed it dead on 100%. Those who brought it about will no longer be useful. The new world doesn’t need malcontents and agitators. They will be lined up and shot. The rest of the sheep herd will be culled for the benefit of the collective.
  
  I hope I live to see that battlefield and that my children won’t have to. I’d hope to see you in a foxhole somewhere down the road Ranger.
  
  Godspeed
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 6:45pm
  @MFHORN
  If it’s truly prophecy and not mere fantasy, then we should be so lucky, for the socialist revolution shall be easier than any dreamed of if its opponents strategy shall consist of throwing down their arms before fighting has even commenced.
  
  And it is hardly “taking over by force” if the existing means of production are abandoned by their absentee titular owners.
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 7:40pm
  Ranger
  
  I think I remember that story. Revelations. How true. The struggle is convincing morons not to follow.
  
  Of course we couldn’t do it in 2008, nor can we do it now.
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 8:24pm
  THE THIRD ARCHON
  
  You and your socialist sheep have fallen for the Marxist dogma..
  
  Here is reality… Marx got it all wrong likely intentionally, the wealthy are NOT a single group. He created a straw man for the masses to hate. The wealthy “capitalists” are made up of two groups, those that take risks and create wealth and those that don’t take risks and take wealth. The parasites vs the producers. It is the parasitic class that is pushing this division bas they benefit from the power and growth of the State. The workers and the free market capitalists are the wealth producers, the parasites take wealth from ALL the producers.. The parasites benefit from their relationship to the State.
  It is these parasites or Fascists aka crony capitalists or crony socialists that are encouraging and pushing Socialism or Statism. These global Occupy type of movements are “useful idiots” who are enabling these parasites to gain control and take more from the wealth producers. The real war is between the wealth producers and the wealth takers, not the worker and capitalist.
  
  Marx was the Pravda or MSNBC of his time, a propagandist for the elite parasitic class who benefit from Socialism as they control the State.
  
  You ideological collectivists have been manipulated to promote your own enslavement. The State has no virtue, it is corrupt, controlled by elite parasites that will never give you your utopia, It will extort the production of all, the workers and the wealthy prod
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:12pm
  @ALIEN
  LOL–so, you accuse Marx of a sweeping generalization, and then IMMEDIATELY do the same thing yourself in your “good capitalist”/”bad capitalist” distinction. Here’s the point Marx makes that you completely miss though–the “goodness”, or lack thereof, of the particular capitalists has nothing to do the operation of the system of capitalism and the consequences thereof. Capital-ISTS can have all the best intentions in the world–it makes no DIFFERENCE to what capital-ISM (an economic system in which the means of production, a.k.a. capital goods, are private owned and rent extraction therefrom is not only allowed, but a primary or sole means of income for a class of individuals, a.k.a. the capital-ISTS) is and does. It is this particular socioeconomic setup of ownership of the means of economic production, which is indeed accurate of the way our economy functions, and the attendant and inevitable CONSEQUENCES of a system of private ownership so structured, that is the PROBLEM that socialists, and arguably Marx (although he is far less explicitly normative in his writings than conservatives believe, most have them having never bothered to READ that which they impute to Marx and criticize), take issue with. That, and that ALONE, nothing more-or-less, is “capitalism” as a socioeconomic system, and it is not the ONLY socioeconomic system that has ever existed, nor the only one POSSIBLE–socialists merely dare point out the consequent problems of it.
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:21pm
  “The new world doesn’t need malcontents and agitators.”
  
  No, but it does need workers and engineers and farmers and teachers, not absentee capitalist landlords. Think long and hard about who is the parasite here.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:22pm
  @ALIEN (cont.)
  Additionally, you conflate “free markets” (a meaningless term as there is no Platonic ideal of the “perfectly free” market existing in some metaphysical universe, markets having ALWAYS been, and always will be, defined, shaped, and dependent for their existence, upon the sociopolitical context in which they exist–brought into existence, and that continued existence made possible, by the legal regulatory framework, NECESSARY for the creation and maintenance of abstract things like “contracts” or “property rights”, in the FIRST place) with “capitalism”. As I explained above, they are two entirely distinct concepts. A “market” economy is merely one in which the price-setting function is accomplished by “markets” (i.e. an abstract concept referring to a particular legal and social framework in which economic decisions by economic actors are made), as opposed to a command economy (where these decisions are made by a centralized authority), or an informal barter economy (in which there IS no legal framework, merely a social one, in which economic agents make their exchanges–essentially economic anarchy). Although these are referred to for pedagogy’s sake as separate concepts, it might be more accurate to view them as a spectrum of potential economic price-setting mechanisms with “command” on one end, “barter” on the other, and “market” in between, with no hard distinction between them.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 9:46pm
  @ALIEN (Cont.)
  The question CAPITALISM conceptually answers, “who owns the means of economic, i.e. wealth, production?” is a distinct question than that which the MARKETS concept answers, i.e. “how is the price of commodities (here I define as “anything which may be bought and sold in the economy in question) to be determined?”
  
  What capitalism consists of is the system of private ownership (hence “titular”), divorced of labor/use (hence “absentee”) of the means of economic production (a.k.a. capital goods in economic theory), i.e. the means of wealth generation/production. Nothing more, nothing less.
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 11:22am
  THE THIRD ARCHON
  
  You are well versed in the propaganda, but you don’t get it… I am not accusing of Marx of generalizations, I am accusing him of deception. Marx got it backwards, IMO intentionally, he predicted a breakdown of Capitalism through a class struggle and all the means of production would become publicly owned and used for the public good, A utopian paradise, sounds wonderful..
  This is based on a flaw, a false premise that makes his conclusion 180 degrees wrong.
  
  He was right… history is made up of class struggles.. but
  
  He got the definition of classes wrong.. He defined it Labour v Capital which has been distilled to rich v poor… This “intentionally” created a straw man,, the rich, and this error has caused the deaths of 100+ million people. A poor record for a process that promised a utopia and elimination of class struggle. A divide and conquer scheme..
  
  It is not a struggle between the rich and poor but historically it is between debtors and savers/producers.
  
  Marx got is backwards, the debtors exploit the savers not rich v poor. It is a grand con that permeates all collectivist thought including the Occupy crowd. they are being used to empower the debtors and further exploit the savers. They are, in fact, working against their own best interest.
  
  The debtors, those that benefit form the issuance and control of debt, a transfer of wealth from the savers to debtors. Debt is enslavement and exploitation by the parasitic class enabled by the
  
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- UNALIEN
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 1:07pm
  State.
  
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Eblaze44
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:23pm
Coming soon to the United States – It IS the Banksters and the Wall Streeters that along with the Fed has doomed our economy. the politicians – shoot folks – they are in the back pockets of these folks – don’t doubt me on this.

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- TheBurningTruth
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:40pm
  You’re an idiot. “Banksters” as you call them are just people and doing the same thing that the everybody else does. They look for any advantage and take it. Consider all “the poor” that choose not to work, or chose not to get an education or skill. Consider all the kids that dropped out of school for drugs, gangs, had kids in their teens, etc. THESE people are bleeding the rest of us dry while whining about those that actually DID get and education or develop a skill.
  
  You hate bankers because you can’t steal as much as they can. So you get your buddies in the Socialist Demoncratic party to use the coercive power of the govt to steal for you. Remember this when the UN comes knocking for hundreds of billions to help the truly poor around the world. Of course, you’ll whine about that too because it doesn’t provide YOU with an advantage.
  
  And I DO doubt you.
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 2:13pm
  “You hate bankers because you can’t steal as much as they can.”
  
  So we’re admitting here that bankers are thieves?
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 7:01pm
  Vox – Any proof that bankers are thieves? You’re only just saying that b/c you can’t figure out how to get wealthy on your own, so you want the government to confiscate wealth from those who earn it and give it to those who don’t.
  
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Tankertony
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:23pm
Uh oh, the krauts are on the move!

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Cataclysm
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:23pm
Why do all the idiots wear guy fox masks….. They don’t even really know what he was about….

Just idiots who watch “V for Vendetta” and thought it was cool.

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Eblaze44
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:21pm
OWS is RIGHT – we all know it – we deplore their actions – but it doesn’t make them wrong about what is wrong.

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booger71
Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:19pm
Wow, their liberals are as dumb as ours.

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- cemerius
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 4:23pm
  You mean their “socialist propaganda” is JUST as effective as ours???
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on September 29, 2012 at 5:04pm
  I think its over. I think Soros is Satan, Obama is his little helper and his whole goal is to ruin mankind, probably because he’s always been an IMPOTENT little P. (emphasis on little)
  
  We’ll try to boost up AMERICA by kicking that POS out of the WH and replacing with a decent man, Capitalism will survive again eventually…if SOROS isn’t SATAN then he will die…I mean he’s 87? …or something like that… the world will realize that the bloody Muslim Counterfeit religion will be shoved back in the hole it comes out of every 600 or so years …. we’ll have learned our lesson about Progressive – liberalism. We’ll have put GOD back in schools, back in our lives / cleaned up the text books/kicked the commies out of our classrooms and maybe we’ll have a chance to show the world that people don’t produce without incentive. Mainly: THERE IS NO SUCH THING as COLLECTIVE SALVATION…but this process that goes on throughout History appears to be grinding to a halt. Just take care of your families; Your own Faith relationship with GOD and we’ll all do the best we can. IT’S totally up to GOD, isn’t it? I’m going to watch football.
  
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- vox_populi
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 4:10am
  “I think its over.”
  
  For you, yeah, I’d agree. Good luck ‘kicking that POS out of the WH’ when it appears that center-left Obama will win a second term with relative ease. The majority of Americans don’t want what Romney’s peddling. George Soros will die, of course, but you’re all vastly overestimating the man’s importance to the Democratic Party, much less the International Left.
  
  With a ever-trending decline in faith (something even The Blaze is forced to admit) I find it pretty unlikely that you’ll be able to ‘put GOD back in schools.’ I don’t know if you’ve seen the stories on this site, but you can’t really put God much of anywhere public without an immediate shutdown. You think a GOP President in 2016 – assuming one wins – is going to be able to reverse that? With 20% of the American population non-believing? I doubt it. They’re not even going to run on social issues, because the Culture Wars are about over and on every front – gay rights, feminism, secularism – the Left has experienced glorious victory time and again.
  
  By the way, I like the fatalist notion that ‘IT’S totally up to GOD, isn’t it?’ Keep thinking that. Putting all of your reliance on a deity that hasn’t openly intervened in this world in millennia makes Socialism’s final triumph that much easier.
  
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- Git-R-Done
  Posted on September 30, 2012 at 7:04pm
  Vox – Your backward dumb ideals have already been tried and have failed miserably. And the cultural issues are not over. The left has and will lose on all of those issues in the long run. As well as economic issues.
  
  Face it, us individuals aren’t going to give up our liberties so that you losers can feel good about yourselves.
  
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