Lt. Doug Seely speaks with the media. (Photo: Orlando Sentinel)
(TheBlaze/AP) — Police say two people are dead and another is injured after a shooting at a central Florida Veterans of Foreign Wars post.
Winter Springs Police said a charity motorcycle ride was supposed to depart from the post when the shooting broke out Sunday morning while the riders were eating breakfast. The Orlando Sentinel (http://tinyurl.com/8b75k99) reports an unknown number of armed men came in and began firing. It’s unclear if any of the attendees shot back.
Winter Springs Police spokesman Lt. Doug Steeley said the agency has detained several people and confiscated a number of weapons.
“We have a lot of crime scene…” Seely remarked. “We have a lot of people detained and a lot of weapons detained, and we’re ascertaining what matches what.”
VFW posts around the country care for veterans and their families.
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semihardrock
Sep. 30, 2012 at 11:53pmAm VERY SURE more people died in Chicago by gun shots this weekend by gang members.
At least these “gangs” were trying to do something good before the chaos ensued….unlike in Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, Arizona Border…..and on and on and on….
This will be on the front page of the NYTimes tomorrow….”White US Veteran Motorcycle Gang”
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noslave
Sep. 30, 2012 at 11:47pmcitizens should not comment on what they know nothing about??
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IRNHSE
Sep. 30, 2012 at 10:08pm3 are DEAD… All 3 were Warlocks… the 2 shooters were ex-Warlocks… 2 of the dead WERE FREINDS of mine… I didnt know the third… this had nothing to do with the Veterans… The VFW was simply the venue for a charity run… as are many VFW halls… I am a U.S. Navy Veteran of 28 yrs service… while tragic, this is not a reason to bash bikers… we happen to be the most charitable people IN this COUNTRY… There are “runs” all over the U.S. EVERY WEEK to help people… the facts are the facts… and we all know the “news” (even the Blaze) doesnt always get the facts straight…
Iron
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 10:32pm@IRNHSE
Thanks for the info….
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blackyb
Oct. 1, 2012 at 12:30amI am very sorry about the loss of your friends. It will get blamed on the vetrans, of course because Nancy Pelosi says returning veterans are a terrorist threat. I despise that beeaytch.
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booger71
Oct. 1, 2012 at 12:50amI am sorry for the loss of your friends, and I thank you for your service to our country, but your group considers themselves part of the 1%er’s , so the general public will think you are also have the same values as the other 1%er motorcycle clubs such as the Hells Angels, Outlaw, Banditos, etc.
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Harvey
Oct. 1, 2012 at 5:01amYou are right,even the Blaze is getting worse about not reporting the truth,especially about Obama.
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starman70
Oct. 1, 2012 at 8:45amSorry about the loss of your friends.
While the motorcycle persona of scruffy looks, leather jackets, extra loud exhausts and other things make it seem that all motorcycle “Gangs” are anti-social ruffians, in fact, they do a lot of good. Here in my area, riders have had “Poker runs” in order to raise money for many causes from sick children, accident victims to cancer victims unable to meet their bills and expenses.
You can’t always judge a book by its cover.
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ColeVa
Oct. 1, 2012 at 3:39pmSorry for your loss. Please know you don’t grieve alone. Thank you for the true update. Heart from Va goes out to Fl. Support and love to friends and family.
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SpeakerOfTruth
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:37pmAfter reading all of these comments, I have to say that all of your guessing is dead WRONG!! I live in Florida, in fact, this happened close to home. The only thing any of you got right was the MC name. Yes, they were at the VFW attending a charity event to raise money for downed bikers. This was not an attack on the VFW nor on any civilians, this club was in fact WELCOMED by all. Many of my friends were at this event, and I was suppose to be there as well, but opted to stay home today. Wearing a patch does not make you “trash” as it was put. I happen to know one of the men who was killed today…he has a family, a wife and a baby on the way and many, many people who loved, respected and admired him, who are mourning the loss of his life. He was a good man, working hard at changing the image of what most “think” they are. As to the other two victims, they were good solid men as well. WE as bikers do a LOT of charity events, yes, even all the “big name” MC’s. I have no affiliation with any club other than knowing them as people. And just like with civilians, there are good and bad in every crowd. As to “what” took place today, well that’s simply not my place to say. I will however say that it was unjust, uncalled for and a down right tragedy. The lives of many in my community will forever be changed by this. So before you go judging other people, first, make sure your own hands are clean.
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BurntHills
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:49pmGod bless you, we agree fully. we had a ”scary” MC called on while they were partying at our house, the nosey democrat neighbors called the sheriffs dept to report we had a “scary” “drugs and guns” MC at our rural house..
when the sheriff arrived, he found ‘THE BLUE KNIGHTS’…yes, fellow police officers etc who ride motorcycles, we were having a charity BBQ for them. our brother [former US Army MP and in the sheriff dept one county over ] among the “scary” out of town riders.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:59pm@SpeakerOfTruth
Thanks for that info. I live in Florida also and the local news has very little info about what exactly happened. I would appreciate any facts that you “can” share. I’ve been riding for 39 years but, I’m a loner and have never been in a MC “club”.
Saying that… the “clubs” I have seen in my life are a bit, well, lacking in character. I apologize if I generalized any of these bikers.
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BlesstheJews
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:01pmI dont know the facts, but I’m sure the police acted stupidly and it was George Bushs fault.
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BigdaddyK
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:13pmWhat suprised me the most was to discover that Kevin Bacon was a cop in Florida!
“Sh,ma, Yisrael! Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad”
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RT4
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:43pmWait for the fact before to make any judgment pals.
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db321
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:55pmIf this crime does not come out in favor of our Veterans, I guess I am going jump on the Hog and make a road trip to Florida to support this VFW Post. I assure you the Vets broke no law.
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Magyar
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:55pmLearn English first before opening your big mouth here!
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Al Gator
Sep. 30, 2012 at 8:23pm@Magpie,
Lighten up! Lots of good conservative people have a hard time with English. It’s an effin hard language. How many other languages are YOU proficient with?
Listen up! I understood EXACTLY what RT4 was saying, and he was RIGHT.
Been in the biker community for years. Probably more years than you’ve been alive.
I know that 1% ers sometimes take exception even with vet groups. Sometimes, it’s all about the “patch” and some idiot’s idea of ‘respect.’
Draw NO conclusions until the facts are out. RT, you hit the nail on the head bro, don’t let some nitpicky basement dweller get under your skin.
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000degrees
Sep. 30, 2012 at 8:24pmDB, I’ll gas up the Road Glide and join you….
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kenboo1
Sep. 30, 2012 at 8:48pmVets are people too and can make mistakes… Look at the SEAL who brought back several automatic weapons to sell… Let the police do what they do best, eat doughnuts and write a report. There is no telling what transpired…
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reconmarine
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:32pmAdd your comments
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jungle J
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:54pmSavages know no rules.
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thegreatcarnac
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:53pm…..and about 50 old men dived down and yelled….”incoming….incoming”.
chingachgook
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:44pmIn the Photo attached to the article the police are questioning a member of the Warlocks motorcycle gang. That is all I needed to see to understand this. Motorcycle gangs like the Hells Angles, the War lords, the Banditos, The Outlaws, etc. are all very territorial and violent. They are constantly at war with each other. When these guys show wearing their Colors (their identifying vests) the VFW should have had enough sense to shut this operation down. I am sure you will find some vets in these groups but the bottom line is they are outlaw clubs and you can expect violence.
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JUSTANOTHEROPINION
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:38pmEagerly waiting for updates here in Florida. As for all of you forming conclusions this early, well, what can I say except for your all a bunch of irresponsible fools and thank God you have nothing to do with legal investigations.
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mecanic
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:11pmexactly rite.very good post.
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OLDPAINT
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:10pmIt had to be 1% scooter trash attacking civilians. They have their own ‘clubhouses’ to hang in, or have parties in secluded groves, and the like. They do not hang out at VFWs. They had a purpose for what they did. It was either drugs, money, or possibly even over a woman. I’ve seen it happen before. Luckily, from a distance.
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Armyduderetired
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:51pmMore creadance for the “vets are all potential terrorists” gang. We need to get guns out of the public domain. Do away with another of the bill of rights ( we’ve already lost 4th,5th,and they almost have the 1st). Just a matter of time before the real trouble starts….Revolution! Go ahead punk…..Make my Day!
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mecanic
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:17pmcold dead hands, empty magazine, and a hot barrel, that’s how they will get mine.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:50pmThere is not enough information here to deduct anything right now, other than there was a shooting. I’ve rapidly glanced through about a dozen stories on the net about this, but other than a few word changes, they are exact duplicates of this version.
At the moment it sounds to me as if it involves two rival motorcycle gangs, oops, motorcycle clubs. One was obviously mad about the other’s involvement. Or, may have been over drugs, guns, or any other sort of contraband and this was the perfect place to catch most of one club in a single place. But, maybe we’ll find out soon enough.
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grimmster
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:42pmToo little info on this, but biker rivalry is most likely the reason……
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Angel_light
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:34pm“Winter Springs Police said a charity motorcycle ride was supposed to depart from the post when the shooting broke out Sunday morning”- so much for charity
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sleezevil
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:11pmI suspect the BIKERS ARE THE POLICE. Even over the past year, police have been shooting innocent people when caught in a mexican standoff with someone else with a gun. They usually make tense situations worse and potentially fatal situations into a massacre. The largest gang in the United States is wearing a badge.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:48pm@sleezevil
“I suspect the BIKERS ARE THE POLICE.”
The bikers were the Warlocks…..
http://warlocksmc.net/
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:52pmHi MONK, I venture to say that at least two MCs were involved.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:17pmHi RJJ,
That’s what I’m hoping.
I’d hate to think a motorcycle “club” was attacking a bunch of elderly VFW people. : (
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:30pmHey RJJ,
Check this out…. mandatory Chinese language lessons in Bibb County, Georgia for K to 12.
And it’s subsidized by the Chines Gov.
http://www.macon.com/2012/08/08/2129604/mandarin-chinese-teachers-arrive.html
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loriann12
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:32pmUnless you count those who served in Viet Nam as elderly, not all VFW members are elderly. As a matter of fact, I believe they made my service years (1984-88) as eligible. I know my husband’s are, 1981-2001.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:38pm@loriann12
The picture of the Warlock MC “club” member from the link in the story does look about that age (Vietnam War era).
Thanks for the reminder. Most all of my VFW friends are from Korea and WWII.
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RJJinGadsden
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:07pmMONK, I suppose that many of the graduates from this can finish their linguistic training at the Defense Language School at Presidio Monterey. Might be a payoff for some.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 8:21pmHi RJJ,
Here’s a good one for you. The Sunday before 9/11/2001 my Korean War fighter pilot buddy and I were at Best Buy looking for Spanish language CD’s. I got a cold chill up my spine when I saw an Arabic language CD. I froze enough that my friend asked me what was wrong. I said I didn’t know but something was just wrong with that CD. I chose the Mandarin Chinese CD instead saying that my teacher told me in 1990 that the Chinese were going to own us if we don’t get our act together. I figured that if I could speak their language they couldn’t talk behind my back without me knowing what they were saying.
10 am on 9/11 my friend called me and said I might be right about the Arabic CD. : (
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BloodSweatandTears
Sep. 30, 2012 at 8:21pm@The-Monk….for about three months now we have been receiving a throw away newspaper called China Daily.com, detailing all things Chinese……anyone got a clue?
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:40pmHi BloodSweatandTears,
What general area are you in? I’ll look into it.
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The-Monk
Sep. 30, 2012 at 9:41pmHi BloodSweatandTears,
Also; do you ever see the person delivering it, what time is it delivered or is thru the Post Office?
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theprofessor1031
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:44pmThis story is incomplete. I just read further into this, and it appears it started between two rival biker groups.
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LeadNotFollow
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:42pm…
This story is not even on the front page of FOX news yet.
I haven’t trusted FOX in a long time. FOX is no longer Conservative.
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Magyar
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:00pmWell, it’s the best we have at the moment…. Thank GOD for Roger Ailes.
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michael48
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:10pmlead/mag…agree..unfortunately/fortunately…this exposes the problem with the entire country…can’t get a yes or no answer form ANYONE…just ask a politician thier name…3 weeks, 3000 words later , all talking points since NERO and bingo…he hasn’t a clue…
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Sep. 30, 2012 at 6:00pmBeats watching BSLSD.
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Lowell1775
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:40pmUnfortunate. With that few killed and injured, looks like a targeted attack.
Maybe some of the bar bikers and “posers” have been watching too much Sons of Anarchy. I don’t think the Sons of Satan or Hell’s Angels would be doing charity poker runs out of a VFW,
If they are….Florida is not a good place to be.
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dnewton
Sep. 30, 2012 at 7:46pmSomebody probably put an offensive movie up on U-Tube
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LeadNotFollow
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:38pm…
Only evil twisted people would attack a charity event.
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Exrepublisheep
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:37pmWhat the hell?
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LeadNotFollow
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:37pm…
God bless our Veterans and Freedom Riders.
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LeadNotFollow
Sep. 30, 2012 at 4:35pm…
Christians and Conservatives are purposely being pushed into a corner by the Satan worshipping Liberals, just to see how far they can push us until we push back.
Then the media will have a field day, only reporting on what the Christians and Conservatives have done. There will be no reporting on the evil deeds that were done over and over to Christians and Conservatives, that finally made us snap, and fight back.
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Magyar
Sep. 30, 2012 at 5:01pmAnd that’s why we have to stay calm and put our faith in the LORD….
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