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Here Are 5 Things You Didn’t Know About Operation Fast and Furious

Oct. 1, 2012 2:09am Jason Howerton

Editor’s Note: This story contains a graphic photo from Univision’s Fast and Furious report.

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On Sunday night, the Spanish-language Univision News aired a “bombshell” hour-long report on their investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, revealing brand new evidence of international weapons smuggling by the U.S. government.

In other words, Univision News took on the job that the mainstream media in the U.S. has failed to do thus far. They also displayed extremely disturbing images of the bloody carnage that occurred as a result of the misguided program.

Here are some things you didn’t know about Operation Fast and Furious and other gun-walking operations.

1. 57 Previously Unreported Guns From Fast and Furious Discovered

One of the most explosive revelations made in the Univision News special involves 57 previously unreported firearms from Fast and Furious that were reportedly used in a number of murders and kidnappings.

After cross-referencing the serial numbers of guns used in Fast and Furious against guns confiscated in Mexico, Univision found that about 100 guns were used in crimes and 57 of the guns were not included in an official congressional investigation.

2. Fast and Furious Guns Used in Two Grisly Massacres

ABC News reports, citing Mexican Army documents obtained exclusively by Univision News:

On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

Here Are 5 Things You Didnt Know About Operation Fast and Furious From Univision Report

Pools Of Blood On The Streets Of Villas De Salvarcar After A Massacre In Which Operation Fast And Furious Guns Were Allegedly Used (Credit: Univision)

The other bloody attack linked to Fast and Furious guns occurred in September 2009 when members of a Mexican drug cartel murdered 18 young men at Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehab center in Ciudad Juarez, according to the report.

3. U.S. Gun-Walking Operations Conducted in Additional States, Expanded to Other Countries

The Univision News report also revealed that other ATF offices outside of Arizona initiated similar gunrunning programs.

An ATF field division in Florida reportedly launched “Operation Castaway,” which put weapons in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela, according to Hugh Crumpler, the lead informant in the case, who talked to Univision News from a prison cell.

From ABC News:

“When the ATF stopped me, they told me the guns were going to cartels,” Hugh Crumpler, a Vietnam veteran turned arms trafficker, told Univision News. “The ATF knew before I knew and had been following me for a considerable length of time. They could not have followed me for two months like they said they did, and not know the guns were going somewhere, and not want for that to be happening.”

4. ‘Confirmed’: Jaime Zapata Was Killed With Weapons From U.S. Gun-Walking Operation

Slain ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata. (AP Photo/ICE)

In Texas, even more weapons were allowed to cross into Mexico under ATF supervision, according to court documents and testimony of Magdalena Avila Villalobos, the sister of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent who exchanged gunfire with cartel hit men alongside Jaime Zapata on a rural highway in Mexico in February 2011. Zapata was killed during the confrontation.

Villalobos told Univision News the guns that killed Zapata, and almost killed her brother, were “not from Arizona and Fast and Furious” but from a “very similar operation.”

“Those weapons that have been recovered, it’s been confirmed that they were weapons used in the shootout that killed Jaime Zapata and wounded Victor Avila,” she said.

Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) along with Issa have been pressing the DOJ to conduct a formal investigation into Avila’s and Zapata’s case. However, just as with Fast and Furious, they haven’t gotten far.

5. Mexico’s Cartel Violence Spiked in 2009 During Fast and Furious

Operation Fast and Furious was supposedly a program run solely by ATF that allowed nearly 2,000 guns to “walk” out of the United States and into the hands of high-ranking cartel members so they could be tracked and federal agencies could dismantle the drug trafficking organizations. But that’s not how it worked out. The agency ultimately lost track of the firearms, leaving Mexico’s powerful drug cartels even better equipped to kill.

Mexico experienced a spike in cartel violence in 2009 while Fast and Furious was in full swing, as the gangs fought for control of various territories, Univision News reports.

Border Patrol agent Brian Terry (AP)

Fast and Furious became public after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed in a gunfight with Mexican thugs in December of 2010. Congressional investigators, with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) leading the way, pushed for investigations and hearings, only to be stonewalled by Attorney General Eric Holder, the Justice Department and the White House, who claim Republicans’ interest in Fast and Furious is only political theater.

President Barack Obama moved to shield Holder and the Justice Department by invoking executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been after for years.

Meanwhile, officials in Mexico are looking for answers because for them, Fast and Furious isn’t some metaphorical chess piece that they are manipulating for political gain. The fact of the matter is, they have lost hundreds of Mexican citizens as a result of the U.S.-run Fast and Furious — and they want the truth.

“Americans are not often moved by the pain of those outside [their country]…But they are moved by the pain of their own. Well, turn around and watch the massacres,” Javier Sicilia, a Mexican poet who lost his son due to cartel violence, told Univision News.

So far, it appears that the Mexican television station Univision can get more answers about Fast and Furious than our own government can.

The majority of conservatives applauded Univision’s Fast and Furious report, but as Twitchy points out, others accused the channel of doing “Barack’s bidding” by putting all the blame on ATF and the Second Amendment. To see how people reacted to the report on Twitter, click here.

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Comments (177)

Angry-Elf
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:15am
Univision should moderate the upcoming debates…

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- walnutportconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:53am
  Nice!!!
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:33am
  “The agency ultimately lost track of the firearms, leaving Mexico’s powerful drug cartels even better equipped to kill.”
  
  This writer is being duped into believing semi-automatic AK-47′s from the US are the weapons of choice for the cartels. THEY ARE NOT. How utterly naive.
  
  AUTOMATIC AK 47′s are the weapons preferred, and the cartels have tons of money to buy the best from any place in the world……and they do just that…..from black market arms dealers from Eastern Europe and Central and South America.
  
  Anybody wih military experience knows full-well that no fighting organization is going to opt for weapons that have less firepower, like the ones they want us to believe inundate the cartels, bought in the US.
  
  The cartels are wealthier than most countries, especially during these hard economic times. They want to buy weapons that maximizes their firepower. They also buy APC’s, rocket propelled grenades, land mines, claymore anti-personnel mines, hand grenades and explosives by the ton.
  
  Fast and Furious was a scam, and the press is perpetuating that scam.
  
  IF THE INTENT WAS TO TRACK WEAPONS< WHY DID THE BATF FAIL TO INSTALL GPS TRACKING DEVICES??????? None of the weapons sold had them. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA.
  
  The semi-auto AK's are bought by low level criminals and those on the periphery of the drug trade, not the serious players.
  
  We're being lied to again and again.
  
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- turkey13
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:42am
  If not for some snitch in the ATF organization Holders plan would have worked and by now the National Guard could be going across the country hitting homes with people and metal detectors and be collecting all those dangerous guns. We would be as safe as the folks in Chicago, Phillie, Detroit, NYC and Washington DC where you go to jail if caught with a gun in your home or on your body. Onlre the police and body guards can have a gun in those towns.
  
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- Bill Rowland
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:46am
  Does anyone find it ironic that a Mexican TV Network does more investigative work than the American main stream media?
  This worship of Sweet Old Barack and his minions simply feed his ego and make him believe that his anointment as King is just a matter of time.
  
  OMG Nov 6, 2012
  
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- Bill Rowland
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:53am
  Does anyone else find it ironic that the Mexican Media could uncover this and the all powerful Americans couldn’t?
  The American main stream media is to busy making Sweet Old Barack look good. They have worshipped Obama until they have him convinced that if he is reelected they will annoint him King.
  This is just one more reason for criminal 0rosecutin of Epic Holdupp and his boss
  
  OMG Nov 6, 2012
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:59am
  Think I’ll brush up on my Spanish, and get The Real News..
  Check out Univision !!! American Journalism is DEAD !!
  
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- Bill Rowland
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:13am
  Does anybody else see the irony in a Mexican source scooping the American Main Stream Media? Maybe the American media doesn’t want to publish any of this. It makes their Obama God look bad.
  The America media has worshipped at the throne of Obama for so long that he believes that when (if) he is reelected thay will anoint him king.
  
  OMG Nov 6, 2012
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 12:07pm
  FIRE HOLDER and Big SIS, and get somebody with the
  BAL*S to stand up to the Liar in Chief..and get to the
  bottom of this SHI* !!!!!!!! Old SMILEY is NOT up to this
  job…..one word comes to mind, INCOMPETEANCE.
  
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- 1592
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 12:24pm
  ERIC ( NOT THE GREAT) HOLDER didn’t know ? ? ? ? ?
  
  B-U-L-L S-H-I-T !
  
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- Purpleblaze
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 12:52pm
  Everyone has been theorizing that “Fast & Furious” has been about setting the stage for gun control and that is probably is pretty spot-on. It however would also serve a George Soros purpose of helping destabilize and create crisis in Mexico and Central America, weakening the population’s confidence in the govt, setting the stage for a future Soros take-down. It would certainly match his playbook in other countries where he has perfected his strategies.
  
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- old white guy
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:47pm
  what the h-ll can anyone say about this cr-p. jeez if americans will not take action the country and freedom is lost. vox day had an article at least one year ago, i think the headline was “ameica, done and dusted”. i think it related to the economy but it sure does relate to f&f. there is nothing more to say. communists and fools are in control of the country. you all need to understand how many people, percentage of the population, created the u.s. it was not 50%.
  
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- old white guy
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:57pm
  time to take out the trash. obama, holder et al .these people want to destroy the u.s. when america came to be it took a very small percentage of the population to gain independence. now there is a very small percentage of the population trying to put free people back into servitude. if you are a slave to government you are still a slave. wake up folks. if the ignorant through their vote is causing this, the the ignorant must not be allowed to vote.
  
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- ArmedPatriot
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:31pm
  Yes! Univision is doing the US media’s job and the MSM must be frantic over Univision blowing their cover as, as Gincrich said, Obama’s campaign workers.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:46pm
  Bill Rowland
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:46am
  “Does anyone find it ironic that a Mexican TV Network does more investigative work than the American main stream media?”
  
  “Fast and Furious: Barack Obama’s Bloodiest Scandal and the Shameless Cover-Up by Katie Pavlich (Apr 16, 2012″
  
  Why this book isn’t being talked about non-stop is in itself a crucial sign of how this country is deteriorating in both the MSM and the talk circuits.
  
  It’s absolutely amazing and VERY well referenced.
  
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- HowardSternIsABigot
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:25pm
  Amen amigo.
  
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- dmerwin
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:13pm
  Nice work Eric and Co.
  
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- fullblownjackass
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:22pm
  @Independent4233
  The best answer is that the author believed that his audience is more educated on the subject than you obviously are. Operation Wide Receiver (the Bush admin program) used RFID chips to track the ‘walked’ weapons, whereas Fast and Furious used no such close tracking technology. One of the reasons Bush ended Operation Wide Receiver was because of the failure of some of the tracking devices. Under Fast and Furious, ATF agents testified they were ordered by their superiors, to stand down and not track weapons.
  As to your assertion that the author believes that semi auto AK-47s are the weapon of choice to smuggle across the border. Again he believes the audience more educated than you. The weapons of choice are 9mm, .40cal, .357 and .45cal pistols and high caliber rifles like the .50 BMG or 338 Lapua. I am including an article by STRATFOR so you may be better educated next time the subject arises.
  http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth
  
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- starman70
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 8:27am
  Will never happen!! Someone might ask Obozo a question he couldn’t answer.
  
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- starman70
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 8:56am
  @INDEPENDANT4233
  
  Yes, the AK-47 semi automatic rifle may not be the exact “Weapon of choice” any good gunsmith can convert it to fully automatic mode. It wouldn’t take long for all these weapons to be converted.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:46pm
  fullblownjackass
  @Independent4233
  
  Your entire rant is so pitifully expressed it seems to contradict itself from one point to another.
  
  ”Under Fast and Furious, ATF agents testified they were ordered by their superiors, to stand down and not track weapons.”
  
  That’s my point. Are you sure you have basic comprehension skills? Incidentally, I subscribe to both Stratfor and Debkafile.
  
  “\STRATFOR: “In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008…”
  
  My contention is that cartel arms are bought elsewhere from the black market, which obviously is the case, as Stratfor has described above. It was the point of my post above. Better read it again.
  
  “The weapons of choice are 9mm, .40cal, .357 and .45cal pistols and high caliber rifles like the .50 BMG or 338 Lapua.”
  
  Are you entirely out of your mind, old boy? These ARE NOT the weapons of choice for firepower, only some assassinations, and most of them are bought from the black market as well. Nowhere in the article does it state that cartels do not prefer fully automatic AK-47’s.
  
  The number of cartel members is about 100,000.
  
  GPS tracking devices are sophisticated enough to outperform anything the ATF used in the past. The main purpose of gun selling schemes by the BATF has always been to pretend the weapons come from the US, so they can weaken the 2nd amendment.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:01pm
  starman70
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 8:56am
  @INDEPENDANT4233
  
  “Yes, the AK-47 semi automatic rifle may not be the exact “Weapon of choice” any good gunsmith can convert it to fully automatic mode. It wouldn’t take long for all these weapons to be converted.”
  
  Yes, I agree, Starman, but my contention is that there is no way the cartels can buy enough weapons over the counter in the US to arm their soldiers, which amount to about 100,000, according to Mexican investigative journalists.
  
  They have an unending supply of original fully auto AK-47′s from arms dealers the world over.
  
  This whole sordid affair is an attempt to put more control on guns in the US.
  
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- makinitthru
  Posted on October 4, 2012 at 4:31pm
  Great Idea!
  
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welovetheUSA
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:07am
Its about time the Mexican people came forward and asked the tuff questions..after all its their country where all this took place…….and the American people are just as frustrated as they are in this phony white house gang…Obama and his people are lieing…Holder is a bigger crook than the killers..Obama issued excutive orders to get Holder and himself out of trouble…If Mexico wants to have good relations with America they must back Mitt Romney for president….atleast with Romney you will get a Honest man…….period.

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:21am
  It looks as though at least some of the Mexican people are awakening to this administration’s view of their nation and people. Tools to be used in their quest of the old cliche, “the ends justify the means.”
  I certainly hope this message not only gets to those who are registered to vote, but that they believe it as well. It is at least a start as this election looms nearer.
  
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- Wolf
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:01am
  But will it make a difference to those who’re crossing the border, or already here, when it comes time to vote? What’re the odds they’ll still vote for Bat Ears?
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:10am
  FLUSH this corrupt Administration along the
  OBAMA MEDIA in NOVEMBER 6,………..
  Incompetence and Corruption… American
  Journalism SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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geminimoon
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:02am
Our Government Has Failed Us…
Democrats and Republicans alike sit atop Capitol Hill and abuse their power.
They are deaf to the will of the people; they pass bills that strip away your rights and dignity.
They laugh as they use their influence to gather personal wealth, uncaring as they crush the average citizen in the process. The system is broken.
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The government, on its own will certainly do nothing to correct its problems, as we have seen throughout history it only gets worse; the pork, frivolous spending, shady deals, unnecessary wars, regulation, oppression, The Patriot Act, NDAA, and on and on…

Isn’t it about time that “We The People”, regardless of religion or political affiliation, stand together once again and fight against these money grubbing liars in our government that call themselves Americans???

A great place to start would be the upcoming election (although I fear it’s too late for that) where we really need to ask ourselves if either Romney or Obama have OUR best interest in mind? I surly don’t see it in either of them, and in looking at each of them closely there is really very little difference between the two.
Voting for the lesser of the two evils will do nothing but give us more of the past, and we all know we can’t take much more of that.

The time is coming to truly exercise our 2nd Amendment rights as they were written and to rid ourselves of this tyrannous government once and for all…

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- mersey
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:15am
  I agree, the government of this country is no better than some third world banana republic country. It’s shameful what we’ve let our country become over the years. But what’s worse is the main stream media. It’s their job in a republic to inform the people of the corruption within our government so we can be informed and throw them out. The press in 2012 is nothing but the water carrying dolts for the Democratic Party. With all of the ways to get information now, they can’t hide their ideology from the masses anymore. They need to go too. They are no longer useful as the eyes, ears and voice of the people.
  
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- Kevin The Elder
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:03pm
  All Americans should pause and consider when reading that “The Univision broadcast implicitly suggested that Americans have no regard for the victims of violence American policy helps fuel — that is, until one of those victims ends up being an American.”
  
  While absorbing that, we should at the very least consider the point that some on the right and left are suggesting, that we are actually fueling the anti-American sentiments that are rearing their heads via demonstrations and even terrorist activity.
  
  Most of us simply can’t accept that we’re the bad guys, giving that we believe that our troops overseas, along with the money we give to foreign nations, are ‘proof’ of our goodness. Recently, some TV person (I think it was John Stossel) asked a rhetorical question, ‘How we would feel if one day we woke up and looked out our window and saw Chinese troops patrolling our streets?’
  
  It’s long past time for us to reassess our reasons for our military to be anywhere other than here at home protecting us. While the old Soviet Union was aggressively pursuing a policy of Communist hegemony, actively agitating and militarily interfering in the affairs of other nations (hmmm sounds familiar) it made sense for us to at least try to contain that threat. However, there doesn’t seem to be any such argument anymore.
  
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- recoveringeden
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 7:35am
  I feel your frustration but who exactly do you use that 2nd ammendment right on? Every one of them will jump on that band wagon and claim they were only trying to do their best. I feel the problem cant be fixed. Theres a saying that public character is displayed through there leaders. In other words society gets the leaders they deserve. We as a people have lost our way and only one will fix it. That “one” is coming sooner than we think. I think the plan is to reset the money system so these clowns will be forced to create a better, more “fair” system where all are equal. And they may be right about one thing, we will all be poor except for the ones in power over seeing it all. You think Soros will lower his living standards?
  
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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:52am
I wonder if the weapons the Dear Leader gave the Libyans will turn up in AQ or Hamas hands who are in Mexico and then to the Cartels?

Did we give any FIM-92′s to the Libyan rebels like we gave to the Muj?

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:14am
  I certainly hope not regarding the Stingers, But as far as any other weapons, one has to know that much of that went into AQ hands shortly after delivery.
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:18am
  Most if not all of them.The only way the cartels would have use for extreme high power would be against government.Since from what I can tell it would be cheaper and easier to pay them off why wouldn’t they?You don’t attract attention to your operation that way.Makes economic sense.No I’m with you there.Its gone into hamas and hezebollah hands.You know those cute muslims/sarcastic.The ones that steal illegal immigrants ID’s and the cartel members alike not to mention the normal everyday mexican citizens.Truth be told cartel members have probaly sold guns exc to others they thought were cartel members and in fact were ME Terrorists.Until everyone can get it through their heads that the ME Terrorists have used and will continue to use every organized criminal enterprise in the world we don’t have a hope and prayer of stopping them.
  Always remember SPOTLIGHT AND DEFLECTION.As long as we waste money labor and lives going after the criminal syndicates, rather than the truly evil, they will continue to hide behind them.
  
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- idarusskie
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:38am
  some of them did turn up… in the ambassador’s car.
  
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conservativeblackman
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:30am
Hope Romney has the testicular fortitude to mention this in the debates.

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teddrunk
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:51am
Why is it when you mix a Democrat President and the BATF, innocent people always get killed?

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- Truth4SureNuff
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:55am
  Because most Dems don’t know which end of the gun should be pointed away from the operator of said weapon
  
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birdmanbob4
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:22am
Eric Holder has a history at the end of Bill Clinton’s term of releasing dangerous Terrorist.
http://media.aclj.org/pdf/holderreport2.pdf
What does Eric Holder do for a living?

Is Holder protecting Bill Ayers right now?

“Police Officers Association President Gary Delagnes confirmed that his union got a call from federal investigators telling them they had an “active investigation and should not be commenting on the case.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Police-officers-told-to-zip-lips-on-bombing-3247571.php#ixzz26z9o3WoF

Jack Cashill discovered Bill Ayers wrote Dreams for Obama
Jack Cashill Obama didn’t write Dreams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=IJg8Ml5eqiA

Jack Cashill: “Deconstructing Obama”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxPhnhQ7Tr0&feature=related

Jack Cashill
Who Wrote “Dreams from My Father”? (1 of 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aElR-
Play video HALF WAY DOWN this post http://current.com/community/90779275_fidel-castro-defends-obama.htm And this post Play video HALF WAY DOWN this post http://current.com/community/91231650_obama-administration-thinks-black-voters-are-stupid.htm#commentVoteDown_91232916

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Godzgrl247
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:44am
Javier Sicilia is correct. People only care about stuff when they think that they are being affected personally. Sad thing about it is, every day the snare is closing in on us closer and closer. Fast and Furious is only one of the many. Look at the history of Lee Harvey Oswald, Al Qaeda beginnings with our govt., 9/11, and the recent Libyan event. All these events have the same fingerprint of our own govt. involvement. One has to really wonder if these were failed missions or if the targeted goal was achieved. Wake up people! Before it’s too late.

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- db321
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:45am
  Protecting Obama and Holder is a crime and that means the Liberal Media that will not report this also has blood on their hands. Protecting a Criminal also makes you a part of the crime.
  
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- loriann12
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:56am
  I’m not affected by this personally, and I care a lot. Mainly because the United States is not supposed to be in the arms running business. I don’t agree with the giving of arms to anyone but maybe, and that’s a big maybe, our allies. With Obama in office, we don’t have any more allies.
  
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PointBreak
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:34am
You know how we stop this? We stop paying our taxes. There are 40 million reasons not to anyway but in this instance refusal to pay taxes would be refusal to support the current coup taking place in Washington. They’re dismantling our constitution and bill of rights one right at a time in an attempt to boil the frog. Take the ball away and they can’t play this game. We have it bad, but I can’t imagine the world we’re creating for our kids. Elections change nothing. Speeches change nothing. Talk radio changes nothing. The chance of a violent revolt succeeding are less than zero. Keeping our paychecks away from them is the ONLY way we have left to fight and win.

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- jcldwl
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:17am
  I can agree but since the taxes are automatically taken from your check it would be difficult. How about a tobacco and alcohol type tea party. Imagine the loss of revenue if everyone stopped buying tobacco and alcohol. We should also limit ourselves to doing only the driving we need to do in our daily lives. Get back to once a month grocery shopping and quit running to the store multiple times a week for every little thing. Stop burning gas running your kids from one stupid soccer game to the other. Stop voting for local propositions that will increase taxes on you no matter what kind of sob story they try to give you. A tax is a tax no matter what they say. Make sure you go vote every time you have something to vote on. The small local elections are when your local governments try to get things in under the radar. They know that is when voter turnout is the lowest and it is easier for them to get things through. I never miss a voting opportunity anymore. The problem we have is people fear the government and it should be the other way around. The government should fear us after all we are their employer.
  
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- turbo
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:41am
  There is no such thing as a less than zero chance. We need to fight this war on many fronts simultaneously. Yes we need to stop funding this illegal government in any way we can, and yes we need to be prepared for physical conflict. The government holds all the aces except one- we outnumber them.
  
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- I Luv America
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:19pm
  I would agree with you, except I work for a company that prepares taxes. I’ve seen first hand the treatment people get from the IRS who don’t pay. It’s not pretty. Just a “heads up” if you plan to stop paying.
  
  Just an observation, but it’s interesting that the lefty trolls are mute on this story.
  
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TurboCat
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:24am
Wow! All the dirty laundry coming from the O-blame-a administration is raising a more foul stink by the day! The F&F scandal, the Libya cover-up, the economic disaster; it is all hitting the fan right before the election! The murders in America, Mexico, and in Libya are irrefutable evidence of O’s evil doings and I do not want them to get away with it by getting re-elected! There is no way they can keep all of this under wraps any longer for it is all bursting forth of its own volition.

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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:30am
  if Romney doesn’t use this during the debate he is to stupid to be president
  
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- gs425
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:35am
  What, you think the media is going to report this? Zero could be caught in a three-some with Jerry Sandusky and a little boy and the media will blame Romney for it.
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:51am
  I live in an area of my city that has a large Latino population, and Univision is very popular with them. Perhaps that report will open their eyes to the fact that Obama cares only about them as potential voters, and is willing to endanger the lives of their friends and families in Mexico for his own political purposes. Any Latino that votes for him this November is a fool.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:28am
  REPUBLICORP, The problem that I see with that is the MSM will go into immediate CYA mode for 0bama. I suspect that since this Univision cat is out of the bag, new stories are being woven as we post here.
  
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RIGHT_WHERE_IT_HURTS
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:48am
The 6th thing. Soon they’ll pay.

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nml2002
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:22am
I think we are missing what this administration really wanted to have happen with Fast and Furious… Think about this:
1) Chicago verse individual for right to carry
2) obama bans m-14 bolt action rifles from being sold in us “as weapons that criminals will use”.
3) (thank god this was not signed) Hilary at the UN Council urged not to sign a bill requesting ALL firearms be globally registered
4) Fast and Furious, remember what Univision was stating… It is the gun owners and purchasers that are at fault.

This administration has been attacking our Second Amendment. Now when extreme muslims move from killing other muslims; if we (non-muslims) have been restricted to no firearms… Where dies that leave us?

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- nml2002
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:25am
  , “die”should read “does”
  
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- johnpaulkuchtajr
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:51am
  It’s getting harder and harder for all of us, the great unwashed, to believe anything you read in the press. If you don’t see the video, you can’t trust any reports.
  
  Every media outlet seems to be corrupt.
  
  Fox News labors under the 7% equity ownership of Saudi Prince Bin Talal. Fox just can’t go cover political corruption issues involving CAIR, ISNA and NAIT in this country. As an example of excellent example of great journalism, take Frank Gaffney’s coverage of the MB donations to VA politicians covered in section six of his new expose. Go to muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com to find out how McDonnell, Cuccinelli and Cantor have taken the cash. Gaffney goes into MB infiltration in military, federal bureaucracy.
  
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- grimmster
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:58am
  @NML2002
  Just a correction,m-14′s were not bolt action, and the rifles that were banned from entering the US were ww 2 and korean war era m1′s.
  
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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:16am
You can’t fix evil.

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- clinker
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:22am
  Yes, you can. Bullets will fix evil. That’s bringing us down to their level, but to get it done, so be it.
  
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- Godzgrl247
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:34am
  Yea, but God can.
  
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- LT-prep
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 12:00pm
  You don’t “fix” a deadly disease – you kill it before it can do any more harm. I.E., chemo doesn’t “fix” cancer…it kills the corrupt cells, to protect the good ones. That is what we need – to get our tails out there, pony up the lead express, and deliver our judgement as ‘We The People’ against all the Washington criminals. There are two reasons for this 1) It is a necessary act of remonstration for us as a country, and 2) things will not get better until we do it, because right now the corrupt and greedy are unafraid of us; in fact, they consider us all to be in the “livestock” category.
  
  If we want our Liberty back, we’re going to have to take it…
  
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crusaderx9
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 4:05am
Independent Investigation.

No more obama LIES and crony DOJ investigations…

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BlueStarMom
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:55am
This is so horrible, but what the hell is this Americans don’t care about the suffering of people outside our country? There are Americans buried on every continent who gave their lives to save others. There is not a crisis or natural disaster since our founding that we have not assisted. We are the most generous country on the face of the earth.

I hate what Holder and Obama have done, but how convenient for Mexico to blame their failures on us. Let’s talk about Americans who’ve died from their drugs in our country. And how convenient that this comes out when Hillary has vowed to sign the anti-gun treaty at the U.N. It is inconceivable that the people who perpetrated these crimes could actually still carry out their diabolical plan against the 2nd Amendment.

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- HarleyDaveATL
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:18am
  This whole Mex angle is nothing more than extortion – wait and see. Won’t be long and we’ll be sending them billion$ in reparations, apologizing for the deaths but never admitting what barry and eric did.
  
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- EMUSICMANN
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:05am
  HaleyDave
  
  Didn’t think of that angle. Good analysis
  
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- yiska8
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:41am
  @Bluestarmom
  I agree that Americans give and sacrifice historically to this day, but honestly, most Americans do not care about Mexicans or Latin Americans (cartel wars)until it affected us with our border agent and consulate officer being shot and killed. Or the illegal immigration problem. Yes, I hate the cartels and consider them terrorists, but we’d rather keep a war raging in a part of the world filled with jihadist savages and nation building in vain. The real threat is a few feet away in Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Financially, we throw our tax money at these nations and in the case of F&F, our government is throwing our money at a problem, they don’t really care about or want to stop. It’s a big show. I’d be very surprised if Obama wasn’t envious of the cartels’ power and wealth. He wants to be the number one gangster.
  
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- YAHUSHUAHRULES
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 1:12pm
  Are you kidding. Who here in America had a gun held to their head to force them to put drugs in their veins or up their nose? Supply and demand. America has demanded Mexico has supplied. There is a calculated rot that has been brought to the soul of America by those who have warped the culture…Pretty much every ill can be traced to the AGENDA of dumbing down the populace so not only do they want big government but they will not survive without cradle to grave government care. Raising a generation so dumb they can’t govern themselves, they can’t critically think, they can’t serve on juries competently and can’t vote intelligently. Useful idiots for the state – A complicit media, captured Hollywood and forcing normalization of homosexuality and all manner of perversion, war against Judeo/Christian values, pledging allegiance to the earth rather then the flag of the US and the Republic for which it stands, environmentalism a tool of totalitarianism, a corrupt, amoral, godless generation and its not their children – for the most part they abort theirs – its co-oped indoctrinated “our” children and much more..this isn’t Mexico’s doing. The prevalence of drugs is a symptom but the disease is…
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-dkKoJ3kT8
  
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SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:52am
It should be clear there is a connection between the U.S. Government and the war on drugs and why the war will never end.

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- chips1
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:29am
  Obama’s Cartel is larger than the Mexican Cartel.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:47am
  I beg to correct you, ScrewWindows; I’d say there is a clear connection between the US gobblement and the Mexican Drug Cartels.
  
  That would explain lots of things…
  
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Country_of_Arizona
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:49am
The debates start this Wednesday and I would like to hear (no matter what the first puff Q is) Mitt ask this Q:

“Mr. B_HO, regarding this administration’s operation, F & F, why after all this time, with the investigation by the Congress and Univision; it seems like Univision can obtain more information then Committee on Oversight & Government Reform? Is it not their (COGR) job to ensure that the American Gov’t operates within OUR Constitution? Finally, who and where does that responsible buck stop, as the leading law enforcement officer wouldn’t that be you, the President”?

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- EMUSICMANN
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:04am
  Luv it
  
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colt1860
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:34am
I watched some of this when it aired. Although they were reporting the facts, and doing a lot more investigating than any MSM here in the US would, they slanted the story a bit by blaming American gun store owners, which by the way, were practically forced or tricked into playing along with the ATF. All in all, no English leftist media in the US has even come close to the report Univision did. This whole event is an atrocity and was meant to back stab the American people so that they would be the ones blamed for gun violence. It turns out, traitorous bastards in Government pulled a false flag on us. These morons wanted us Americans to pay for vicious actions which they planned and coordinated. Obama and Hilary, along with the MSM, were on a crusade to blame American gun owners and guns for the violence occurring in Mexico, just months before Fast and Furious was exposed. Not a peep from them afterwards. The MSM is trying to shove this under the rug. And don’t try to label this exclusively a left- right thing either. These traitorous bastards in Government don’t care what means they use to advance their agenda, they’ll infiltrate any thing and any place. They got all ends covered. Mark my words. Their end goal is to see America fall, through whatever means necessary. Their global agenda can’t take place with a free and independent united America on the scene.

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- TurboCat
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:45am
  The ATF betrayed the gun store owners. BETRAYED them plain and simple. They were very concerned about it and they questioned the ATF about their concerns that cartels and other criminals would get hold of these guns. They were lied to.
  
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- TEARS FOR AMERICA
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:05am
  Exactly, and I also believe that putting these weapons by our administration in the hands of the drug cartels also furthers a darker agenda and that is to destroy our young, saturate the streets with so many drugs that they are rendered useless in a fight against the darkness that is transforming us into a banana republic and NWO “district”…America is being transformed alright.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 12:17pm
  I try to read every one of your posts, Colt. Forgive the idolization, but you are the most poignant, prudent and wise poster on these forums.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:45pm
  @The_Cabrito_Goat Thanks. I’ll never stop seeking the truth, and sharing what I’ve learned.
  
  I always keep these words in my mind (and I have since a very young age):
  
  “For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.” Proverbs 2
  
  “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.” Proverbs 3
  
  I’ll praise God, for it is he who has led me to fountains of truth, and taught me courage that I may fight for what is right.
  
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LibsRstupid
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:54am
Univision throwing Pres. Bozo under the Bus.LOL

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Aqualung1000
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:40am
Go get ‘em Univision!!

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All_Out_of_Bubblegum
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:31am
Ok, let me start by saying this disgusts me to no ends. That our government was stupid enough to launch F&F to begin with is one thing, that they were so incompetant about it is another.

But here is the meat of my post…these drug cartels are well known to bribe anyone and everyone from the mexican goverment, to the police and even the military. You can’t tell me that they could not have bought these weapons with a snap of the fingers any day of the week from the very people in mexico sworn to stop them. They did not need us in order to get these types of weapons.

So, what was in it for whom? I believe Holder and company offered to do something for one (or more) of these cartels, in exchange for a scenario which would have undermined our 2nd amendment rights…and it blew up in their faces.

Maybe a private smuggler/gunrunner would have done this in hopes of getting a cartel to buy from him…but seriously, these cartels can get any weapon they want from Mexico in a heartbeat.

So, I ask again…what was in it and for whom?

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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 3:10am
  Obama is a community organizer aka revolutionist. Look at his friends like bill ayres.
  
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- TEARS FOR AMERICA
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:13am
  There is NO WAY this administration did not knowingly pass these guns off to the cartels…they know exactly what they are doing by keeping the border open to run drugs over to keep our young doped and pliable…transformation we can believe in…
  
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- objectivetruth
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 10:40am
  Its more like the administration sold them to ME Terrorists posing as cartel members[Think they wouldn't think again]knowing that they were ME Terrorists.Its easy and convient to blame the cartels isn’t it.Too boot it would man another round of money for the DEA.Who has more at stake in removing our second admendment rights [besides our own corrupt government]?Cartel members or ME Terrorists?Cartel members who like profits or crazy nuts that are willing to do anything to force us to submit?
  No it sounds more like to me that the true cartel members found out what was going on and came forward.Their is a war on our southern borders alright.Hezebollah and Hamas have infiltrated the cartels.They have discovered this and its why its blowing and raining violence.The violence has the earmarks of ME Terrorists as well.Its indiscriminate brutal bloody and at times seemingly random.
  
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The Shadowmaster
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:27am
Obama and Holder must be held accountable.

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- jst1425
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 5:17am
  Unfortunately, this will NEVER HAPPEN…but on the bright side…wasn’t all that “Hope and Change” refreshing??
  
  Oh yeah, and isn’t is “cool” to be able to look back on history and be able to say you were a BIG part in helping the first black man get elected to be president???
  
  Yeah…isn’t it all so very cool….
  
  (for those who can’t recognize it…this is sarcastic)
  
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- TRILO
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:31am
  Boehner and crew do not have a set to really go after them on anything. It is all for show.
  
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virgie morgan
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:26am
Why is this administration getting away with murder? If there was a republican president, they would have empeached him already! And the investigations would have been front page news for years. Why is it that obama and eric holder can get away with this and no one seems to be able to do anything aobut it. Where is the congress, what good are they if they don’t even react to stuff like this. I say vote everyone of them out and put a whole new congress in, maybe then they’d realize who is the boss.

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- BikerHoop
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 6:20am
  Where is congress? They won’t do anything about this or any of the other treasonous acts Obama and Holder have committed because they’re looking out for their political futures. They don’t want to be labeled as responsible for bringing down the first so-called Black preezy, or for the riots that would surely happen if they were to impeach him. So what do we get? *crickets*
  
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- Pokerjoe
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:11am
  You ask “How do they get away with it?” Well if a ball player takes a drink they drag him into the big room and grill him fot 2 years. Big news and headlines. Kill a agent and its to the back burner. When they do get the AG in the big room he lies and the press goes along with it. Thats how they get away with it. This whole admen lies and no little deal. I cant stand all of are leaders who lie and get away with it. It seems like we dont matter anymore. All we need to do is vote and live our lives to very best way we can. Lord hear out prayers. Joe.
  
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:22am
The MSM will not report on any of this other than to cover the tail of the administration and blame Bush. Obama will spin, deny, lie and vilify all who stand against him (as usual).

This matter, along with Benghazi-gate, has to be brought out in full; and it will be what finally shatters Obama and his chances at reelection if one person has the guts among the media to do so. The adminsitraiton in these actions have crossed beyond treason, they are war criminals as well.

God please let the truth come out so the families of the fallen can find peace and justice delivered.

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- ContinentalArmy
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:00am
  My offer still stands, I need your Vote and all American’s Votes to Elect me, Lonnie A. Smith as United States Sheriff, With the Authority by the People to Arrest even the President of the United States! I vow to the People to do the Job by the Constitution! I Believe in God, Country, Liberty and Our Constitutional Rights! I cannot be bought Off nor Back down! These Criminals must be brought to Justice for their Traitorous Crimes!! I stand for America not Amerika!!
  
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Crazy Times
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:20am
Crazy.

And nothing will be done about this.

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- Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:24am
  Not unless some of the media have the guts to bring the full story out – and I mean every detail of it.
  
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- virgie morgan
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 2:29am
  Why would they even ask the DOJ to do an investigation when they are the ones involved in it? Too many people are still asleep and refuse to believe that this government is capable of this kind of thing. “\/ the American people need to know that their President is not a crook \/” says Nixon
  
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