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U.S. Quickly Approaching Massive Tax Increase With Year-End ‘Fiscal Cliff’

Oct. 1, 2012 7:00pm Becket Adams

WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — A typical middle-income family making $40,000 to $64,000 a year could see its taxes go up by $2,000 next year if lawmakers fail to renew a lengthy roster of tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year, according to a new report Monday

Taxpayers across the income spectrum would be hit with large tax hikes, the Tax Policy Center said in its study, with households in the top 1 percent income range seeing an average tax increase of more than $120,000, while a family making between $110,000 to $140,000 could see a tax hike in the $6,000 range.

All told, the government would reap more than $500 billion in new revenue if a full menu of tax cuts were allowed to expire. The expiring provisions include Bush-era cuts on wage and investment income and cuts for married couples and families with children, among others. Also expiring is a 2 percentage point temporary payroll tax cut championed by President Barack Obama.

“It’s just a huge, huge number,” said Eric Toder, one of the authors of the study.

Economists warn that the looming tax hikes, combined with $109 billion in automatic spending cuts scheduled to take effect in January, could throw the fragile economy back into (or deeper, depending on how you read the data) recession if Washington doesn’t act. The automatic spending cuts are coming due because of the failure of last year’s deficit “supercommittee” to strike a bargain. The combination of the sharp tax hikes and spending cuts has been dubbed a “fiscal cliff.”

“The fiscal cliff threatens an unprecedented tax increase at year end,” says the report. “Taxes would rise by more than $500 billion in 2013 — an average of almost $3,500 per household — as almost every tax cuts enacted since 2001 would expire.”

Tax Policy Centers Warns of Massive tax Increases With Year End Fiscal Cliff

Members of the Joint Select Committee (i.e. the "supercommittee") on Deficit Reduction hold a public hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington on October 26, 2011 (AP)

Cumulatively, the country would see a 5 percentage point jump in its average tax rate, which works out to taxes on the top 1 percent jumping by more than 7 percentage points and about 4 percentage points for most people earning below $100,000 a year.

Put another way, people in the $40,000-$64,000 income range would see their average federal tax rate jump from 14 percent to 17.8 percent — or an increase in their overall federal bill of 27 percent.

All told, almost 90 percent of all households would face a tax increase, though the top 20 percent of earners would bear 60 percent of the overall cost.

President Obama has called for those earning over $250,000 to return to Clinton-era rates of as much as 39.6 percent while Republicans have called for an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels.

But all sides are supportive of renewing the Bush-era tax rates for everyone below the $250,000 mark. Without a renewal of those rates, a married couple would pay a 28 percent rate on taxable income exceeding $72,300 instead of the 25 percent rate they now pay. And the 10 percent rate paid on the first $8,900 of income would jump to 15 percent.

The new top rate of 39.6 percent would kick in for income over $397,000. The current top rate is 35 percent rate.

Click here to see the Tax Policy Center’s full report.

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The Third Archon
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:30pm
“President Obama has called for those earning over $250,000 to return to Clinton-era rates of as much as 39.6 percent”
OH GOD–SO draconian! It’s ONLY among the lowest tax rate in that bracket in U.S. HISTORY–certainly since the END OF WWII.

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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:12pm
  Try…just try to use your brain. Do you know what tax rates would have to be to balance the budget? The “rich” (ha) those making over 200K…would have to pay a 100% tax rate. But that doesn’t balance the budget either. Those making between 50K and 200K would have to pay 50%. Then you’d balance the budget (only in theory).
  
  Your B.S. class warfare schtick is just that. There isn’t a shred of economic sense driving any part of that. It is political cotton candy. Tastes good to the statist totalitarians but has no real substance of any kind.
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:43pm
  ROTHBARDIAN_IN_THE_CLEVE. Archon didn’t say it would balance the budget. Changing what he said to make your argument better is dishonest.
  
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- Obama_Forward_Over_The_Cliff
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 12:05am
  TEA ( = Taxed Enough Already)
  now time for “the party”
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:13pm
all i know is that miles austin better have a huge 2nd half, or my fantasy team is going into the lose column

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dingodad
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:24pm
More taxes for even more corrupt wasteful agencies and programs to create more dependency on govt. growing an even larger, moronic, unproductive base.

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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:48pm
We HAD this… but rejected it…

Ron Paul:
Veto any unbalanced budget!
Refuse to further raise the debt ceiling!
Fight to fully audit (and then end) the Federal Reserve System!
Legalize sound money!
Offshore drilling!
Eliminate the income, capital gains, and death taxes!
Oppose all unfunded mandates and unnecessary regulations!
Cuts $1 trillion YEAR ONE!
Eliminate five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education)!
Abolish the TSA!
Abolish corporate subsidies!
Stop foreign aid!
End foreign wars!
Returning most other spending to 2006 levels!

So, please… NOBODY COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO TURN THE SHIP AROUND!!!!!!!!

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:11pm
  romney v obama is a national disgrace and an insult to the Constitution
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:16pm
  You forgot
  
  Open boarders.
  Legalized drugs.
  Earmarks for all.
  Appeasement.
  Gutting the military.
  A return to the Articles of Confederation, which our founders did away with.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:21pm
  When the votes are counted, both of you and approximately 17 other people in the United States who vote for Johnson or Paul will be happy to know you voted with your heart. It won’t make a $hit’s worth of difference, but at least you will have that warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing you made a statement. Unfortunately, that statement will be: “I was too stupid to vote in the real world.”
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:26pm
  @soysauce
  
  Voting for a President is an insult? Or are you insulted because the framers didn’t include ‘all must kneel at the alter of Paul’
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:37pm
  I’ll take 17 million votes. Thats about 11.3% of the vote. Is that why republicans are trying to keep 3rd parties of the ballots? I thought republicans were the party of free markets and free people?
  
  http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12731-gop-suing-to-keep-third-parties-off-ballot-in-november
  
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- Brother Winston Smith
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:41pm
  therealconservative desperate lies EXPOSED…
  
  “Open boarders”
  Ron Paul’s platform is NO amnesty, NO Romney/Rubio Dream Act, NO welfare magnet, NO “birthright citizenship” (a twisting of the 14th) and bringing our forces home from OTHER BORDERS… to protect our own.
  
  “Legalized drugs”
  Ron Paul understand that the “War on Drugs” is (ironically) ILLEGAL and devastating to our liberties. He suggests, under the 10th Amendment, that we RETURN this issue to the States – a pov, btw, shared by leftist Paul Ryan. I’ve yet to hear the argument “Ryan wants heroin for all.”
  
  “Earmarks for all”
  While Ron Paul relays HIS CONSTITUENTS REQUESTS (his job as their representative), he NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR ANY PORK.
  
  “Appeasement”
  Ron Paul has patiently explained the INEVITABLE RESULTS of our ISOLATIONIST foreign policy of welfare, warfare, propping up and tearing down. Although… explanation is hardly needed, as America is swimming in the blood of her own children that our leadership has positioned as World Police – IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.
  
  “Gutting the military”
  Fabulous. We are BANKRUPT and CANNOT AFFORD our INTERVENTIONIST, GLOBAL “military.” “Military,” of course, DOES NOT MEAN NATIONAL DEFENSE. Fake-conservatives often DECEPTIVELY mix the two.
  
  “A return to the Articles of Confederation, which our founders did away with.”
  Ron Paul seeks a return to the CONSTITUTION and Bill of Rights.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:04pm
  I’m beginning to suspect that Bro-Smith IS Dr. Paul……
  Everything he writes makes sense….
  
  … but nobody listens…
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:11pm
  Oh, that was 17 and not 17 million – dang i knew it was too good to be true
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:22pm
  @Brother_Winston, You’re wasting your time on that downy. He’ll tell you he was as heroic as Audie Murphy during peace time. Launched nukes (of course I didn’t read about a thermal nuclear war in the 80′s) and had some super secret clearance that gave him the “need to know” for everything. Then he was the James Bond in the intelligence community and knows everything about everything. In other words, you’re not talking with the sharpest knife in the drawer. He isn’t even close to being rational. Just a half-wit that is either embellishing or lying. He’s been posting lies about RP since January and has never listened to anyone that has explained these positions yet.
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:22pm
  @brother liberal
  
  “open boarders”
  
  “The one thing I have resisted and condemned: I do not believe that barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems,”
  
  Meaning no fence or Border Patrol/Troops on the border. Open borders.
  
  “Legalized drugs”
  
  Paul Ryan was speaking our Medical Marijuana, not herion and coke like RP.
  
  “Earmarks for all”
  
  Not authorized in the Constitution. “NEITHER SUPPORTS NOR VOTES FOR ANY PORK.” Tthat’s becauce he ALWAYS attaches the pork to a bill he knows will pass, then votes against it.
  
  “Appeasement”
  Ron Paul believes in cowering to our enemies
  
  “Gutting the military”
  The Military is our NATIONAL DEFENSE, check the Constitution. Liberals like you often DECEPTIVELY mix the two.
  
  “A return to the Articles of Confederation, which our founders did away with.”
  
  Try reading both and you will see that Ron Paul’s “vision” would return us to the Articles of Confederation.
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:44pm
  @justbecause
  
  “Launched nukes (of course I didn‘t read about a thermal nuclear war in the 80’s)”
  
  Neither did I, would you be happier if we did. Trust me you wouldn’t be sitting here spewing your BS.
  
  Let’s match 214′s and what we have done afterwards shall we.
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:23pm
  @Justbecauce
  
  Come on squid, put your money where your mouth is.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 12:37am
  LMAO… Get your super secret intel friends to track my IP and pull my service record… I’ve already told you that I worked ops/intel for VFA-15 in the early 90′s. The pilots were the heroes that earned the squadron the Battle E in 91, not I. I’ve never claimed otherwise. You on the other hand…
  
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- Obama_Forward_Over_The_Cliff
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 12:55am
  Brother Winston Smith – “We HAD this… but rejected it… So, please… NOBODY COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO TURN THE SHIP AROUND!!!!!!!!”
  
  Great posts, BWS!
  
  But WE never HAD this chance of Ron Paul. He was sandbagged by the Republican establishment when they “coronated” Mitt Romney.
  
  So, what do we do now?
  With the brain-dead or ignoramus auto-lever-puller-voters of the Repubs & Dems party faithful, Paul doesn’t stand a chance (it breaks my heart to say). If the muslim-psychopath Obama wins, there will be a bloody civil war. If religious-mormon Romney wins, there may be time to make corrections in the Congress, which is now overrun with communists and have done NOTHING to stop Obama in his lawless tracks, to avoid the otherwise inevitable civil war. I don’t like ANY of these choices, but I like some even less than others.
  
  I do like “Ripley choice” for dealing with the wholesale treason of Washington DC:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s1MspmfEwg
  I don’t get out all the time (from the underground command post, deep in the bowels of the hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building) … will someone tell me if they see a bright flash from the DC direction? I’ve got some champagne cooling … :)
  
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- louise
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 7:23am
  Do not look Obama or Romney to save you.
  America will not be saved through Communism or Corporatism.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 9:08am
  @Louise, That’s right. Just curious what are you going to do, if you don’t mind me asking? Just curious since the liberty movement folks are divided on how we’re going to approach the election. I’m leaning towards sitting this one out, but if I think there’s enough folks to get that 5% or whatever needed to get funding for the next cycle I’ll probably vote Johnson for 2016. Of course my cynicism is telling me that even if he did get 5% they’d change the rules to preserve the two party system after what I seen at the convention.
  
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- louise
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 10:46am
  Justangry,
  Since the RNC silenced any chance of future grass roots activism working to bring any real Statesman to the convention, I am now in the process of choosing someone else to vote for. I commented on another story awhile back that I would not vote for Gary Johnson because of his open borders view. I then started looking into Virgil Goode. I like what Goode has to say, but He voted for the Patriot Act. I know of no one who can fill the shoes of Ron Paul. No one.
  I am just about ready to say “turn off the lights and go home Louise”. No one truly wants a Constitutionally constrained government. No one wants to truly save the Republic.
  IIMHO, the best government is the least government. At this juncture, I would vote for a Benevolent King over treasonous, Communist Obama and Corporatist Romney.
  I ask God to save America.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 12:02pm
  @Louise, That’s about where I’m at. There are several posters I agree with a lot on here doing different things. You have Soybomb going Johnson. He assures me that some of the issues I have with Johnson are misplaced and I believe him. Then you have ProgSlayer and Ranger voting for Romney for valid reasons, but I can’t bring myself to do that. Rothbard’s a Goode man, and I respect his opinions too especially when it comes to the economy. I really just feel like sitting this one out, but I don’t know. I change my mind on this more than I do my skivvies. Meh, perhaps something will happen between now and November to give me a little clarity. I know all of us agree on principles, so why is it so hard to come together on this?
  
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- louise
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:43pm
  Justangry,
  
  I don’t know what I will do yet. My husband says he is going to vote for Romney. But being the strong woman God made me to be, I do not always follow lock-step behind my husband….even though he is a wonderful guy!
  I value the opinions of others on theblaze also. And I know that it is not in my nature to sit out any election….and I have seen enough of your posts to know that you won’t either. My best advice? Pray about it and then go vote your conscience.
  God save America
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:52pm
  @THEREAL Show me one time that Ron Paul voted for an earmark! And drugs are already legal in this country, Have you ever heard of alcohol,oxycontin,cough syrup,xanex,codein,morphine,methadone,ridlon,etc.? Can you tell me which of these drugs you want to make illegal? I will tell you from experience the most dangerous drug on earth is alcohol so i suppose we should go back to prohibition instead of letting people be responsible for themselves and their own decisions. And you say Obama is a dictator!
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 5:02pm
  @JUSTANGRY You are too intelligent to sit this one out. If people like you don’t vote we will never turn this around. At the very least you should vote for the other races on the ballot. I still haven’t decided between RP or Johnson but i know i will never sit one out and hope you don’t either.
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 5:53pm
  JAdams, There’s some that argue that by voting at all, especially for the lesser of two evils, is validating their rule over us. Lew Rockwell is one. My other thought is if enough folks vote Johnson, (5%) we can really establish a third party for 2016 because they’ll get the 35 million dollar federal funding the other two parties get. I haven’t researched this to know if it’s true. I’d prefer the Constitutionalist ticket, but Louise pointed out Goode voted for the Patriot Act which really ticks me off and I think Johnson is getting more support to make that a reality. I just don’t know.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz2ZMYUn3Uk&feature=share
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 6:12pm
  Goode reminds me of Bob Barr with his bad voting record. How can we vote for a guy that did not take a stand when he had a chance – that is not the spirit of Ron Paul. Perhaps my only objection to Goode is that he is against free trade (can anyone verify that).
  
  Gary Johnson has his faults. The whole immigration thing is a little murky but the truth is that we need more legal immigration. Gary Johnson also is more aggressive on foreign policy than any of us would like.
  
  Even still, voting for Goode and Johnson sends a message to both parties that they do not control us and the more people join us, the less power the R/D’s have. This is almost as much about a protest vote and progressive resistance as anything else. The shame of it all is that a write-in vote for Ron Paul will be the least effective
  http://www.dailypaul.com/242672/considerations-on-a-ron-paul-3rd-party-or-write-in-campaign-and-the-future-of-the-liberty-movement
  
  @Just. You can vote 3rd party and still laugh at the system. It doesnt have to be either/or
  
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- jadams1214
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 6:42pm
  @JUSTANGRY I definately would not encourage voting for the two evils but i strongly encourage people to vote for their city,county and state races at the very least. Also ballot initiatives and bond issues. I will not vote for the two evils (notice i didn’t say lesser of two evils) and hope nobody else does either.
  
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- louise
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 7:07pm
  Soybomb,
  Here is a link or you (and anyone else) regarding Virgil Goode’s stance on free trade:
  
  http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Virgil_Goode_Free_Trade.htm
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 10:48pm
  @Jadams, Oh I’m going to vote for everything else for sure. I’m going to try to help get Josh Mandel into the Senate, though I have little expectation he’ll be anything other than another douche bag republican. I am going to try to get rid of Stivers (R) though. All of Ohio’s current Senators and Congressmen hate the Bill of Rights.
  
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hi
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:14pm
This will cause a drastic slow down in our economy. I am already cutting spending and if others are like me , they ate too. People won’t buy a new house or new car. They won’t go shopping for clothes or out to dinner. They will fire their lawn guy and not get their nails done. They will do their own ****. The list goes on and all of those folks will be out of work. When people are out of work they don’t pay taxes. So they ThINK hey will recover 500 billion. I say they will get way less from the tax increase .

I agree with others on the blaze to stick it to the UN or to Egypt who hates us NOT to the hard workers in this country!!!

Our only hope is prayer. Socialism is oppressive.

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- sleezevil
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:55pm
  Can we just go off the damn cliff already?? The longer we delay the higher the cliff gets.
  
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- HoratiusAtTheBridge
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:29pm
  Hey ‘Evil – you’re usually such a tool you must surely have “Craftsman” tattooed ‘cross your joe biden… LOL – but on this you’re right. People, just do the math. In this article we read that the govt will pull down FIVE HUNDRED BILLION. Okay, compared to QE3′s NINETY BILLION A MONTH in worthless paper, that’s what – FIVE months’ of “money”? LOL… so sad… and we are so doomed. So vote Romney – at least it’ll buy a LITTLE time – probably not – but Romney at least will not do what the other will do. We won’t have NATO/UN troops on our streets (until quickly shot to bits…yeah…) and Romney’d deploy the Guard but not elements of our military. I doubt that Romney would order the filling of those EVACUEE camps (FEMA) that do not exist. Remeber, Glenn Beck was called insane for claiming they did. Hey – the FED themselves now say they exist… OOPS. Screw the paper money – spend all you can while you can on REAL stuff. Start with even a .22 rifle and a bucket of ammo for it. It can’t be stopped – do the math.
  
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TRILO
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:09pm
I am so sick of hearing about how some people do not pay their fair share. Let me tell the bozos in DC- If my taxes go up, I will cut my spending on clothes, gas, entertainment, personal care products, etc, etc. more than I already have. If the only jobs most people can get today are low income service jobs, they had best be prepared to kiss those jobs goodbye too. People have to have money to purchase these things.

Those in Washington are crying the sky is falling over 109 billion in spending cuts. They spend over THREE TRILLION a year and 109 billion is going to throw the economy into a tail spin???!!! They cry that the military is going to fall to pieces when year over year we spend more and more. Romney wants to increase war spending???

All the while the post office missed a second 5 billion payment to their mandatory pension plan and they can not even close a few offices. Hey and we must also remember to thank Bernanke and Co when commodity prices skyrocket because of QE3 and we have to pay more for all goods and services.

The only thing that makes any sense to me anymore is that people at every level of government are either so absolutely stupid or they are purposefully trying to bring down our country. That goes for the Republicans too.

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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:18pm
  If we could get a big enough portion of the population to change there tax witholdings to zero…..We might wake some lawmakers up…..I’m not saying don’t pay your taxes ;-) but withhold them to the end of the year……….EVERY YEAR.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:26pm
  STELEX: How would you propose businesses get around paying quarterly?
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:32pm
  Not sure…..all I know is that I have the option to pay my taxes at the end of the year. I’m takin it…..I suggest you all research weather its an option for you as well.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:38pm
  As a small business owner, I pay on a quarterly basis. Not sure I could get around it. If so, I would love to.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:40pm
  Stelex, don’t forget to file that extension before Apr. 15.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:45pm
  I’m already dealing with the IRS….if we had a candidate willing to do away with them, I’d marry them, give em my first born and suck there toes. Can’t wait for the IRS to start going after medical bills.
  
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msconstrue
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:00pm
to continue on with my earlier rant:…and the increased taxes that they will be taking wont even be used to help our economy here in the states…….it will be sent off to the middle east to boost their economy, to pay debt service because our government cant manage to live within their budget….it’ll really be great when inflation kicks in and we wont even be able to afford a loaf of bread……God help our kids!!!!

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intercepter
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:55pm
I like the answer that the dems offered a solution and it was to raise taxes ,that isn’t a solution its giving the junkie another fix ,they need to start cutting out the fat and waste and stop with the pork process
if there isn’t enough money to pay the bills why is it we keep handing out money on some of the biggest bull crap things in this country that our reps should hang their heads in shame for even asking for.And one other thing Barry and his posse will soon start with the money for infrastructure and putting people to work ,he says that all the time and means none of it,so much money has been sucked from all the excise taxes ,from gas and tires and whatnot that theres barely enough for him to buy votes
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY READY TO PUT IT BACK ON ITS FEET AS SOON AS BIG BROTHER GETS OUT OF THE WAY THE SOONER THEY LEARN IT THE SOONER WE CAN GET STARTED AND THE SOONER IT WILL BE DONE

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Brother Winston Smith
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:54pm
The inevitable results of a democrat/republican (same thing) “led” republic.

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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:18pm
  Welcome Soyburger’s intellectual twin brother.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:32pm
  and their evil step-brother who keeps his head in the sand
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:38pm
  Brother Liberal would rather have a government based on “proving” social model.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:39pm
  Is that a reference to Individualism?
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:39pm
  @Soysauce
  
  “and their evil step-brother who keeps his head in the sand”
  
  You mean Gary Johnson and Ron Paul?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:10pm
  no, that is you guys – who refuse to believe that the republican party is rotten just the same as the democrats
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:32pm
  @Soysauce
  
  No, that is you guys – who refuse to believe that, Johnson/Paul are full of it and do nothing they claimed.
  
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RANGER1965
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:52pm
C’mon people our dear leader has already addressed this looming issue.

The fiscal cliff and the economic collapse of the United States are just “bumps in the road” to a better and brighter future for us, and future generations.

/sarcasm off

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lildrummerboy
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:51pm
not once has anyone mentioned the moral bankruptcy this country faces, only financial. Our founding fathers dedicated this country to God in prayer and we no longer fight to keep his name in the Public Sector. We are quit to throw out “God-given unalienable rights” but we don’t fight for him. Don’t just fight the government, fight back for Him, why aren’t we standing up to Atheist Groups who are sueing the pants off of schools and churches faster than we are aware. Say no to FFRF!!! God will help us if we fight for him. If we allow these people to take him out, why would he protect us? Think about that. 9/11 was our wake up call and we aren’t listening. Do you think the economic collapse was an accident after 9/11? Our hedge has been removed. We are Israel all over again. Please don’t mock the message. Just think about it soberly for a few minutes. This is not a call to religion but a call to return to God as individuals then as a Nation!!

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:18pm
  seems like government has enough on their plate without trying to fix the moral decay. Government would make it worse anyways
  
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- Winedude
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:42pm
  Sorry Dummberboy but you force me to post these yet again:
  
  “The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.”
  –John Adams
  
  “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever
  from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with
  blood for centuries.”
  –James Madison
  
  “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
  - Thomas Jefferson
  
  “The Christian God is a being of terrific character — cruel, vindictive,
  capricious, and unjust.”
  – Thomas Jefferson
  
  “In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.”
  - James Madison
  
  Even Founding Fathers, who many of the flaming Blazers seem to idolize, had their religious doubts. Keep religion OUT of our everyday lives unless it is chosen by us. Thank you.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:54pm
  @WINEDUDE….
  
  ditto that all day long.
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:39pm
Raise taxes that’s all we hear from the pigs in DC,STOP SPENDING BASTARDS!
At this point a scorched earth policy is the only answer,eliminate several unconstitutional departments,they’re just costing money and they only F up our lives and make daily living tedious at best. I have the Rx to heal America,the one thing that will work,cut the size of all government by 75%,you might say that’s excessive,I say do the cutting or it’ll collapse of it’s own weight.

A sudden collapse will result in civil war,the desired outcome that Barry wants,do it in an orderly fashion and we might have a chance.

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ZAP
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:38pm
All your children are now slaves of the state

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Gary_K
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:38pm
The economy is as bad as it was during the last great depression, people don’t see it because there are no bread lines due to food stamps, the homeless numbers are relatively low due to welfare and unemployment insurance.

The economy at this point is all smoke and mirrors. What happens when the smoke clears, a few mirrors are broken then people see there is nothing beyond the mirrors?

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- msconstrue
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:03pm
  @gary….you are absolutely right!
  
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noslave
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:37pm
eventually they will have to simplify the tax code forms? “HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE?SEND IT ! even a vampire dosent empty his MEAL TICKET?? hey re-distribution of taxpayers money to friends/supporters of obama and keeping him and family in lavish lottery winners lifestyle costs you more and more???get rid of the leeches in nov and you’ll survive give em 4 more and your done??

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ReaganBaby
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:32pm
How the hell do they expect us to make it when they keeping taxing us to oblivion?? I am a young father with a modest income and a mortgage. We have to stay within 150 bucks of our planned budget each month or we wont make it, i fall between the 50-70k per year range, if my taxes go up and i lose the child credit deduction i will literally lose my home. I absolutely despise all progressives and most of all the MARXIST ØBAMA!! I work hard to stay within my budget and eliminate wasteful spending when will the government?? GET OFF MY BACK!

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- loriann12
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:43pm
  You sound exactly like us. We’re in the same range, only because my husband is retired military and gets his military pension. Otherwise we’d be in the $30,000 to 50,000 range.
  
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- Detroit paperboy
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:47pm
  Reaganbaby……who is gonna pay for all the illegal alien FOODSTAMPERS, ? The answer is : YOU : so you just keep working and keep your mouth shut………or we will call you racist….understand ?
  
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- chips1
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:52pm
  Obama has changed the White House into a Bed & Breakfast. Last one down gets the scrambled eggs.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 2, 2012 at 6:48am
  chips1, bath house barry has changed the White House into a gay club.
  
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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:24pm
The time is coming when government revenue will have to match government spending. Pick your poison

Obama and Romney agree that government revenue has to go up.

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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:27pm
  No level of taxation will fix this but slashing trillions in spending will do a lot of good,unfortunately we have a government full of candyass cowards addicted to spending.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:32pm
  I’m going to vote for Bugs Bunny – that will show them!
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:44pm
  @2minutes
  That wouldnt make any sense
  
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- Stopit
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:48pm
  I agree. Vote for Mic…
  key Mouse.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:51pm
  Have you finally seen the light my Soy-based friend?
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:53pm
  STOPIT: I was using sarcasm to make light of Soyburger’s relentless pursuit of his Gary Johnson pipe dream. Sorry if I confused you.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:08pm
  @2minutes
  Oh, i didnt know you were making a point. You see, bugs bunny is not on my ballot. But Gary Johnson is. Tell me why Mitt Romney is better than Gary Johnson
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:17pm
  Hey SOY!
  Stop it, already…
  
  You know very well why Romney is a more immediately effective vote than Johnson. Any Libertarian being honest with themselves knows Romney’s not a “better” vote. Trick Question!
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:18pm
  @Soysauce
  
  “Obama and Romney agree that government revenue has to go up.”
  
  Except Romney want’s to do it by allowing company’s to expand and putting people back to work.
  
  “That wouldnt make any sense”
  
  You mean like voting for Johnson/Paul?
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:19pm
  @east
  I want to see them try to explain it. I dont think they can
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:21pm
  Who has a better chance of winning and thus making a difference?
  
  A. Bugs Bunny
  B. Gary Johnson
  
  Answer: Trick question – both are the same.
  
  If you think you are making a difference by voting for Johnson or any other third party candidate on your Virginia ballot, you are a fool, a complete, absolute fool.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:25pm
  The major reason relevant to our discussion as to why Romney is a better choice than Gary Johnson: He actually has a chance of winning.
  
  I have said this 100 times and I’ll say it again: Either Romney or B.O. will win. Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Bugs Bunny, Elvis Presley, Mickey Mouse, etc…. all have the same chance of winning = zero. How can you make a difference by voting for a sure loser? At least vote for someone in the game. And don’t tell me there are 5 people on your ballot in Virginia because we all know that it doesn’t matter how many people are on the ballot, there are only two people in the race.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:35pm
  @2minutes
  Yup, i knew you would be completely incapable of making a real argument. I dont vote for who you and the liberal media says can win (yes, you are making THEIR case) – i vote for the best person on my ballot. Go bug some moderates – maybe they will see things your way
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:36pm
  @SOY… ahhh… see what you mean. I was about to apologize for partially giving out the answer key… but nobody read it:D! Oh, well.
  
  OK Class… here is the answer…
  Romney is an inferior “candidate” to Johnson in every way except one-
  He actually stands a chance of winning.
  
  SOY, like me, resides in a swing state. His vote counts.
  SOY also knows, like me, that the more votes a candidate gets, the more govt funding that party gets next time around.
  
  Unlike me, SOY ain’t no HO.
  
  He desperately wants someone to convince him to vote for Romney but no-one even comes close.
  He’s a pragmatic fellow….
  … an engineer for chrissakes!
  
  Make a better argument, or he, and thousands like him, WILL “throw their vote away” on Johnson.
  
  PS: All Libertarians in non- swing states SHOULD vote for Johnson.
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:50pm
  @East
  
  “He desperately wants someone to convince him to vote for Romney but no-one even comes close.”
  
  Sorry, but it’s not our job to convince SOY. If he can’t see why we need to get Obama out of office, he is beyond help.
  
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- Dougral Supports Israel
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:00pm
  The only way to raise government revenue is to get off the back of business and allow the economy to grow. Taxation won’t net the government anything. If you look at government revenue since WWII it averages 18% of GDP. It is a remarkably consistent graph even though tax policy had varied considerably, I believe 18% is all they will get and if they want more the economy has to grow.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:38pm
  @THEREAL…. it IS our job. That is exactly what “our job” is.
  
  Think of SOY as a composite illustration of thousands of voters. HE is the difference between Romney winning or losing. You aren’t going to change the minds of Obama’s “free cell phone” crowd.
  The Libertarians are sway-able because they actually care. If you can beat their argument, they will acquiesce. If you (we) can’t…. 4 more years of Obama…
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:00pm
  @east
  
  You are right with most Libertarians, however with the devout Paul follower, they would rather see the country destroyed (on principal).
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:14pm
  They won’t tax income. They’ll confiscate wealth. History shows that’s how it always ends.
  
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msconstrue
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:21pm
its just one more coffin nail for the baby boomers…..they wiped us out with the market crash, keep the interest rates low so savings dont earn anything…….now, they’re gonna tax the **** out of us so we will never catch up!!!!……..gettin’ screwed and never even got a kiss!!!

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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:31pm
  not to mention that have become hated all across the world over the last 40 years
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:41pm
  @soysauce
  
  Not surprised you picked 40 yrs ago, since at that time we were against the Soviet Union.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:47pm
  that is the biblical definition of a generation you clown
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 10:27pm
  @soysauce
  
  Nice try at a save, clown.
  
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:19pm
“Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed. . . It is a fallacy to say there is a limit (to tax rates), and it is a fallacy to rely mainly on individual free enterprise to get the savings.”

BHO Sr. (aka POS Sr.)

The nut doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:32pm
  Second amendment………………………….
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:41pm
  Stelex, didn’t you get the memo…the constitution is gone and we have no rights…this will soon become the new reality.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:54pm
  Four more years of B.O. and the Koran will be our constitution.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:01pm
  Sorry, I’ll make note and destroy all my guns…..heee heee ehee
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:19pm
The tax man cometh to screw our asses courtesy of a government full of candyass cowards too afraid to cut spending. No budget for the only term the Marxist Mulatto will have and we’ll be left to fix the damage when his skinny Marxist heathen ass is kicked to the curb and hopefully thrown in prison where he and his entire regime belong.

RINOS in congress be advised you’ll be fired as well and the communists and all other degenerates will be fired along with them. They’re not tax cuts they’re tax rates that Bush had when he left office.

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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:29pm
  With a set to expire date.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:42pm
  And raising taxes will get us what exactly? You guessed it more government spending and that’s all.
  No level of taxation will get us out of this and the pigs in DC know it they’re just biding their time.
  
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- Exrepublisheep
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:15pm
  I agree. More money=more spending. But what are they biding their time for?
  
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Stelex
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:17pm
On another thought…..WTF NH….I saw some very disturbing polls…..15 points…….we are NH……LIVE FREE OR DIE. To many Masshols have invaded NH. I move up here from MA in 84…….not to change NH because I liked NH. Stop electing Masshol liberals to office. We used to be strong.

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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:55pm
  On another side note: I lived in North Conway for awhile. I bet its beautiful right about now.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:02pm
  It is, I was up in the mountains a week ago and it was fantastic
  
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Gregb
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:16pm
America needs to WAKE (the ****) UP – obama is bring in massive tax increases for everyone so that he can pay for his programs and create a socialist society.
Romney can delay the socialist take over…

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JACKTHETOAD
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:12pm
I thought it was in the budget.

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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:19pm
  Your check is there budget.
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:21pm
  What budget the jagoffs haven’t produced a budget since the POS fraud in chief has been demolishing America.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:34pm
  Having a budget in place would at least indicate some intent or desire to fix the problem. We certainly wouldn’t want B.O. putting out any false perception would we?
  
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Stelex
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:11pm
Its time people……they want to suck us dry. Say goodbye middle class…..say hello serfdom. Take a good hard look at the people in power…….97% of them I wouldn’t trust with watching my dog. Yet the US citizens send them to Washington……If someone wants the job badly enough to do what they have to do to get it……..they are not doing it for you. You smooze your way into congress or the senate for one term, pension for life. Done deal. That dipsht that filled Teddy’s seat after he died, was in for a month or so……pension for life. On our dime……..Please, wake the people up.

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- woodyee
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:18pm
  Teddy…
  
  Erah, are you referring to the dead Ted Kennedy?
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:19pm
  Actually, the Democrats have offered a solution, an increase to the taxes of the 1% while keeping the rates for the middle class at the same level they are today. Norquits’ puppets in the GOP have held the line protecting the 1% at the expense of the middle class.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:25pm
  ” Please, wake the people up. ”
  
  I think it’s too late….the ship is already going down and there are no life-boats aboard.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:31pm
  encinom, bull****…even if we taxed the rich at 100% their income is a drop in the bucket…the damnocrats offer NOTHING.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:31pm
  Yes I r….
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:34pm
  @Stelex
  Exactly. Thats why I am voting for someone who is not attached to the government and is neither a democrat nor a republican
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:37pm
  STFU…..Encinom. Your freaking gone, toast. You can type what every you want you POS but it don’t make it true. To watch my country be over run by the likes of you and yours fires me up. I’d really like to meet you someday. True Americans will fight for this country and you and your lovers will fall
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:37pm
  ENCINOM: Tax increases are not the answer. Spending cuts are the answer. There is no way to tax enough in order to cover what is currently being spent.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:39pm
  And that is why you are an idiot, Soyburger.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:41pm
  Soy….theres just not enough backing. I’d love a libertarian to get in. But it won’t happen, please don’t piss away the vote……we can get there but its gonna take time and I can see the winds of change ……Step one……Obama out……step two…….wake up the American populace.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:46pm
  @2minutes
  Dont throw your vote away. Dont vote for a progressive
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:46pm
  ENCINOM Your idiocy is pristine now go play in traffic and put yourself out of our misery you jagoff.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:55pm
  @Stelex
  Unfortunately, that is not the gameplan of the republican party. When you guys are able to have the backbone to pick that fight – i will be fighting right alongside you
  
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- therealconservative
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:01pm
  @SoySauce
  
  “Dont throw your vote away.”
  
  You mean like your going to do?
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:03pm
  Soyburger: I currently reside in reality. I will be voting for Romney and I will cast my vote with full support and gladness in my heart. If, in the next month, you decide to move out of your fantasy land and join reality, I would be happy to welcome you to the neighborhood. I might even bring you a pie. If, on the other hand, you wish to remain in your make believe world where voting for fictional characters (or their equivalent) makes you feel all tingly inside, so be it (or soy be it as the case may be).
  
  A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for the POS Obama.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:07pm
  I’m no more republican than you are Soy…..but I am big on common sense. I’ve said it before, I’m just left of libertarian….especially when it comes to Gov and Foreign Policy. Some of the other stuff, thats why we have 50 petri dishes.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:16pm
  @2minutes
  Gary Johnson is on my ballot along with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. That is reality.
  
  Many of us are not weak-minded enough to think that we can only choose between Big Government A and Big Government B. Your criticisms remind me of 1984. Maybe some day between now and election day you will realize that your party has waged war on the libertarian wing of its own party – and that your efforts would be better spent trying to convince the 47% of Americans who are mindless and ignorant….Assuming you have the decency and ability to reason with people
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:29pm
  2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:37pm
  
  ENCINOM: Tax increases are not the answer. Spending cuts are the answer. There is no way to tax enough in order to cover what is currently being spent.
  _____________________
  You can not solve the problem of the debt with only cutting spending, you must also increase revenue. THE GOP has blocked, to the point of risking default every attempt to raise taxes to the modest Clinton era rates on the 1%. Neither Romney nor Ryan can mention which problems they will cut, cause they know their math just doesn’t add up.
  
  Also, the number 1 problem today is not the debt, Beck and Fox have lied to you, the #1 problem is jobs, cutting spending will kill jobs, while lowering the taxes on the 1%, as Romney proposes will do nothing but transfer more wealth to the top. CBO has scored Romney’s plan and found that while it increases taxes for the middle class he lowers taxes for the 1%, so who is waging class warfare against the middle class?
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:37pm
  Enchitforbrains……..More jobs, more revenue……..Go Away You POS.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:44pm
  Soy: Gary Johnson is on your ballot but he’s not in the race. If you want to make a difference, vote for Romney. Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:48pm
  Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:37pm
  
  Enchitforbrains……..More jobs, more revenue……..Go Away You POS.
  _____________________________
  Cutting spending and increasing the tax breaks for the 1% will not create a single job. Reagan’s tinkle on economics was a failure for all but the wealthy.
  
  So try coming back with an actual argument as to why Romney needs more tax cuts while he seeks to raise taxes on the middle class.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 9:35pm
  If Johnson “is not in the race”, why are republicans doing everything they can to prevent him from being on ballots?
  
  http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12731-gop-suing-to-keep-third-parties-off-ballot-in-november
  
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- Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 11:20pm
  encinom,
  
  You have no idea what you’re talking about. Jobs….government spending equals jobs? Where does the money come from genius? Either you take it from people (which is contractionary) OR you borrow it (which gives way to crowding out in the capital markets…you know where people actually create jobs) OR you print it which simply reduces confidence, raises interest rates (when not manipulated) and makes us all poorer.
  
  If taxing and spending created jobs and gave us prosperity then why do we have 20% U-6 with 1.3Tr in deficit spending and the highest corporate tax rates in the world? Simple question…go.
  
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Gary_K
Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:05pm
Prepare !

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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:12pm
  Prepare indeed……how did we get here.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:16pm
  Costco and WinCo are selling supplies, Gary.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:21pm
  We got here by electing insane people to run the government, then we stayed asleep working, raising our families and with life itself. Now it’s too late to stop whats coming, if barry wins we lose, if Romney wins we lose.
  
  There is no way out of this mess, at least for a few generations.
  
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- chips1
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:39pm
  Yawn!!!! Good morning everyone. Did I miss anything? I must have fallen asleep in the back of the bus.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:43pm
  I agree, but Romney buys time……Obama we are done. Obama unleashed with no worries about elections……Satan
  
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- possom
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:52pm
  On it!
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:58pm
  Stelex, i agree, but, I think all the pieces are in place. If Romney wins I think the communists/blacks/muslims will go nuts with cries of racism and a civil war will come.
  
  I may be a pessimist but I do not see a way out.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 7:59pm
  Chips…..just getting you up to date. We’ve been over run by Progressive’s (communists) working for a Global government. Doing everything they can to bankrupt and destroy America and the Constitution. Players are on both sides so it gets tricky unless you pay attention. The UN is the devil and all Progressive’s bow to it. Filled with delusional academics…the UN wants to Socially engineer society based on the Chinese model …….+or- ….using Islam in America they will erode our constitution in the name of peace and security. (TSA???) Obama’s people in Hollywood made a film for him to use at a later date…..ie9/11/12….resulting in the death of Gov officials and SEALS which they still blame for the terrorist attack. Holder is a criminal and has done way to much to write about here. Republican chicks are much much hotter than Dimwits and the Mars rover found some sphere’s. Oh yeah…….The Lame Stream Media is in the tank for Obama…….Commies all of them. Toni Iommi seems to be doing well and maybe we’ll see a Sabbath tour. Its fall now and I hate winter…..why am I in NH you ask……..It used to be a cool State…..Wake up NH….Wake up America. Hope that helps…….Be well
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 1, 2012 at 8:27pm
  Gary……agreed in full. Its just a matter of sooner or later.
  
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