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Fact Check: Romney Accepts Obama’s DREAM Act?

Oct. 2, 2012 1:36pm

The Huffington Post is running a story today claiming that Mitt Romney has abruptly shifted his stance on immigration and has now embraced President Obama’s executive order halting deportations and granting work permits to so-called “DREAMers.” Huffo claims:

“The people who have received the special visa that the president has put in place, which is a two-year visa, should expect that the visa would continue to be valid. I’m not going to take something that they’ve purchased,” Romney said. “Before those visas have expired we will have the full immigration reform plan that I’ve proposed.”

The announcement from Romney is a move toward a less rigid stance on immigration that the candidate has also taken in the past. It also risks offending some of the more ardent anti-immigration voices within his party, some of whom have called the Obama deferred action policy race-baiting. Some members of the party have urged Romney to reverse the policy as president.

It’s a good narrative, but like so much of what the media has been saying about Romney over the past week, it simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The origin point of the article – the Denver Post – explains Romney’s position this way:

Young illegal immigrants who receive temporary work permits to stay in the United States under an executive order issued by President Barack Obama would not be deported under a Mitt Romney administration, the GOP presidential hopeful told The Denver Post Monday.

Now, note Romney’s wording above. He does not say he will keep the policy on the books. He does not say he will issue more work permits, or continue halting deportations of new DREAMers. What he says is that he won’t deport people who have already been declared safe, or been given work permits. In other words, he won’t retroactively criminalize people who have been released from criminal liability by this administration.

This position is simply a vindication of a larger legal principle that is actively enshrined in the United States constitution – namely, the ban on ex post facto (or “after the fact”) laws enshrined in Article I, Section 9. While this ban is questionably relevant to executive orders as opposed to actual legislation, Romney’s position indicates that he wants to adhere to the spirit of this constitutional requirement, even if he’s not legally required to.

This is scarcely an endorsement of the original policy. Even California’s Proposition 8 – the infamous anti-gay marriage constitutional amendment – did not nullify marriage licenses issued before it was passed, nor would it arguably have been able to. Romney could easily maintain this position while reversing Obama’s policy for all future cases, in effect limiting its scope solely to people given permits under this administration, much the same way criminals pardoned under Obama would still have clemency if Romney were elected.

In other words, if this position is the closest Romney gets to contradicting immigration hard liners, he’s probably going to handle those issues the way said hard liners would want.

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Comments (54)

  • Obama_Forward_Over_The_Cliff
    Posted on October 3, 2012 at 5:39am

    “This position is simply a vindication of a larger legal principle that is actively enshrined in the United States constitution – namely, the ban on ex post facto (or “after the fact”) laws enshrined in Article I, Section 9.”

    WRONG section.
    When an IMPOSTOR (Barack Hussein Obama, AKA Barry Obama, AKA Barry Soetoro, Kenyan illegal alien) passes laws or dictatorially creates laws, those “laws” are null and void. Illegals then revert to their illegal status and MUST be deported. Sorry.

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  • JACKTHETOAD
    Posted on October 3, 2012 at 3:48am

    Look at it this way. His father was liberal Democrat. Whose ideals does he espouse being raised in a house like that? He’s also using his religion as a ‘plus’. Talk about TWO LOUSY CHOICES IN A ROW the RINO PARTY is shoving at us to keep Obama in office! I’m disgusted beyond words.He’s a known LIAR (…why won’t anybody use that word anymore anyway? I think it’s the BIGGEST SIN OF ALL! ) and a job-killing corporate raider to boot. Then, the repubelikkins will ham it up for the next four years if the nazi wins. If he wins, God only knows what will happen. I think they’re ALL DEVIL-WORSHIPPING GROVE DWELLERS! …gold-leaf covered human fetuses, anyone?

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    • Disgusted_in_CT
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Vote Romney / Ryan and get obumma out of office.

      Side Note:

      obumma got his head handed to him tonight.

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  • BV FROM TX
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 11:21pm

    Obama is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood, a known terrorist organization, that wants to kill us and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Mitt will do everything in his power to stop either from happening. That is all I need to know..

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    • razhunter100
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 12:01am

      and how do you know this…please show some info.

      all i/we have seen is mittens for your pleasure.

      any links would be welcomed.

      can do flip floppin mitt all day long.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 12:24am

      BV, WOW! Ready for WWIII?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwmzWFfFAQ

      Russia and China say that if the U.S. goes in, it will be the start. China has had their Navy in preparations to go to war with the U.S. since last December. Let’s get it on!!! I am prepared, are you? Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood are little countries with little military prowess and is no threat to us or Israel. Besides, Israel can handle the entire ME on its own since it has the fourth strongest military in the world next to the U.S., Russia and China. Stop listening to the war mongers that are controlled by the Military Industrial Complex. Geeeeez!!

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  • West Coast Patriot
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 5:10pm

    This is a great Conservative that all should listen to, as he is right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R4KtYVF-74&feature=youtu.be

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  • West Coast Patriot
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:56pm

    Romney IS KNOWN for his flip flops, but there is no clear evidence here, but he is still very soft on immigration, that is a fact.
    Here are other facts: Re-Post.
    I did not force Romney and the RNC to commit federal crimes to silence Ron Paul supporters. I did not force Romney and the RNC to turn blind ears to the peoples voice and change the rules to disenfranchise future grassroots candidates, I did not force Romney to change his views so many times over the years where he resembles a weathervane, I did not force him to agree with The Patriot Act or NDAA as written, I did not force him to act like an idiot and talk about the 47%. Get real here. I talk about facts!
    FACT: Paul supporters WILL NOT vote for Mitt Romney, period.
    FACT: Many other Tea Party Independents will not vote for Romney, because of the convention.
    FACT: Romney will not get the disenfranchised Democrat vote.
    FACT: Romney NEEDS these votes and a good percentage of Dems in order to win.
    If Obama is in for another four, Lame Duck, if we take the Senate, concentrate there.
    If Romney is elected, in four years he will have hurt the Party and 2016 will see us lose both the House and Senate and possibly the White House again.
    Best scenario? Vote third party and send a clear message to both parties that we are tired of their crap. If enough people did this, a third party CAN WIN! Sorry, but facts are facts.

    Now, do not hide from the facts, as usual, reply with your facts that dispute mine.

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    • usafaux102
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 6:11pm

      Fact: you are not in possesion of all the facts. Fact in point of statement: I am a FORMER R.P voter who WILL be voting for R/R to erradicate half the cancer in the patient. ( think of this election as chemo) Question: What federal law did the gop violate per the convention and by the voice of the people, do you mean only RP people,wo constitute a tiny minority of the voting public? or ,do you mean all the people? If you mean the former, suck it up. Your people were trying to usurp the voice of many more millions who were not in your camp by a technical rule which the gop previously held. The RP campaign or delegates were planning to steal the vote by subversion( which is a fact) and now they are somehow surprised that the people in charge of the party that your candidate chose to run under, changed the rules to prevent a hostile take over. Why does this surprise you? You would do the same thing as proven by your already disingenuous plan of attack. I could support RP but I will not support subversion by any camp when perpetrated against the general welfare of the people and our constitution. If your plan had been sucessful, it would have garanteed a loss of this nation,our constitution and America as we wish to see her once again. All this,because your plan would have not been seen,understood and agreed to by a sufficient majority to carry out a sucessful election regardless of how constitutional the candidates positions are.

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    • DVK
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 6:51pm

      West Coast Patriot – - State some real facts! Everything you stated is an Opinion and that is a very large difference. I am not a Ron Paul Fan, I do wish the party would move a little more libertarian than it currently is but it certainly isn’t over the cliff Progressive like the Democrats. I think the R P people at the convention were attempting to steal an election and take no heed of the majority vote. That loophole needed to be closed.
      Now go climb your mountain top so that you can scream at the top of your lungs how badly done to you are. Vote and send your message that you want to be part of the unlistened to minority and feel better about yourself for 4 more years of Progressivism or whatever they call it in Europe.

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    • crz2bhappy
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 8:13pm

      fact, if enough of you loons vote for obama, or not vote for romney, we will have another four years of this crap.
      call it principle or what ever, but if you love the constitution, the obvious choice is anyone but obama

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 12:10am

      usafaux102, “I am a FORMER R.P voter” Not just BS but double BS!! I could come on here and say I am a former Romney supporter and bash him, but I am not. I am truthful in my posts, you are not, therefore, you are full of BS. You give yourself away (wonder what your I.Q. is) by these statements: “Your people” and “and now they are somehow surprised” (referring to RP supporters,) and again referring to RP supporters, “your plan.” Where is your research that debunks mine?? I do not get my research from Fox News as they are full of BS. I get mine from blogging with the supporters I am talking about. I get mine from statistics, online news, former elections and the like. Where do you get yours from? I get mine from talking to people on the streets, where do you get yours from?? If RP supporters are not relevant, why then is Glenn Beck, Rush and Levin so up in arms over Paul supporters saying they are definitely not voting for Romney? You cannot answer as you know what I am saying is the truth. You are a blind little sheeple that does not know his head from his @ss.
      You Republicans think what you say goes, but it is far from the truth. You are the minority and you are going to lose. Many in the GOP agree: http://www.myfoxspokane.com/news/headlines/story/gop-reviews-turning-negative-romneys-campaign
      Hang onto your hats, Romney will get creamed tomorrow night, you watch.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 12:41am

      Research: http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-supporters-are-not-sheep-vow-not-to-vote-for-mitt-romney
      http://lionsofliberty.com/2012/08/24/rnc-foul-play-assures-ron-paul-supporters-will-not-vote-romney/

      Don’t just read and listen to Glenn, read the posts at the bottom: http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/17/glenn-to-ron-paul-supporters-ron-paul-is-not-running/
      Do you need more????????

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 4:13pm

      Just as I thought. All these Paul supporter bashers call us trolls, but they are the trolls. They just come on here, bash and move on. Pathetic, no research to show anything they say. People like myself, Just Angry, Soybomb, Mutiny, Brother Winston and others are from the Liberty Movement. We actually believe in the truth, but the truth is supposed to live here. If that is the case, why do my posts take up to 4 hours to post, or sometimes do not post at all? I believe that The Blaze is like the other MSM’s and are not so concerned about news as they are entertainment. They know that all of you will post and then the story goes out of your mind and you do not return, hence delaying certain posts in order to keep many from seeing them. At dailypaul.com you can see every post you have ever done with one click and go back to it even years later. That is where the truth lives.

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  • justangry
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:06pm

    Does ex-post facto law apply to executive orders that aren’t really constitutional in the first place?

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  • Eastinfection
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 3:15pm

    Alan Keyes said it best……

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R4KtYVF-74

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  • PlanetReality
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:55pm

    WHOS DREAM ACT????? try BUSH but could never pass it thru with the dem controlled senate and congress!!! thats why Romney would be the smart one to pass some kind of needed reform but not a obama vot for me only reform especially after the botched costly healthcare he shoved down our throats!!!!! SPANISH WOMAN FOR ROMNEY!!!!!!! Afteralll no one said the republicans never wanted some FAIR REFORM for healthcare and illegal immigration!!!!!!!

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  • TRILO
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:37pm

    Sorry, but I do not feel that Romney/Ryan will do anything about the illegal immigration problem. They are of the corporatist mentality. Big agriculture, construction, etc need the illegal immigrant slave labor to keep their costs down. Democrats want the Latino vote and Republicans want the cash and business community vote.

    This is just one more example of the problem with republicans, they have no fight and you do not know where they stand. TOTUS told us from day one that he was going to fundamentally change this country.

    The TOTUS and his minions have shredded the Constitution as Boehner and Co sit on their thumbs. Romney/Ryan can not articulate a single plan for anything,except lower taxes, less regulation and increase military spending. Really, we have been hearing those issues for 100+ years during campaigns. I can not tell what position Romney has on most other issues because he has changed his mind so often. Romney never seems to be fired up. Maybe he is just to nice or wants to take the high road. Personally I think he is far more liberal than most people realize so he keeps his mouth shut and goes after the safe talking points; taxes, regulation & military.

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Was Bush or Bush any different? Romney comes from progressive roots. The apple never falls far from the tree, in most cases.

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:05pm

      Romney has been too soft in this campaign, wasting precious time, from what I’ve been hearing (which is very little from him), and I’m beginning to wonder if he is just part of a setup to give a pass to obama for the his next term. All premeditated to finalize Obama’s agenda for our country.

      This country is now so messed up, loaded with enormous debt, huge unemployment rates despite admin denials, foreign policy is well…..near non existant with these muslim countries being catered to financially and a weak policy. The lies and denial involving the death of 4 Americans in Lybia is being shoved under the rug by the administratiob and state dept.
      We know that lives are now expendable by our elected officials while they themselves have been on a gravy train sucking up all the goodies. John Boehner who?? the Senate-laughable.

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    • marydylanchelsea
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:22pm

      I see Romney basically saying same thing about economy, demonstrating good knowledge of foreign affairs, remaining rather calm in environment of lies, lies, lies…I do not think he should have apologized for middle east comment or for the 47% statement to his money people who need to know things about that…If you think he’s changed on immigration…just call it “evolving” as the one who constantly changes to suit current audience says…I like it that Romney hasn’t changed what he says no matter what group he’s talking to..which upset many blacks when he gave same speech to NAACP…At the same time, some blacks were glad he didn’t change message for them. I feel I can trust him to be fair and reasonable with immigration..Plus I know he will follow what Congress approves and not do it on his own. The dream act ploy by Obama for Hispanic votes was stolen from Rubio so it is OK with me for it to be considered by Republicans…I believe Hispanics want the same thing the rest of us do and so do a lot of Blacks…When Romney apologizes under pressure it makes him appear to be pandering…Still, I expect him to fix economy and a lot of other things. At least he’s basically honest according to his past record in business and personal life.

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:31pm

    It’s not the ones who want to work and pay taxes that I have a problem with. It’s the illegals who are collecting free everything from the government and haven’t earned it. I think welfare needs to be overhauled as well.

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    • ConstitunalAmerican
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 4:09pm

      First things first though…..The government “itself” needs to be scrubbed and thoroughly cleaned up as that’s where the problems started. Harry Reid should be escorted out the back door as well as Pelosi and the rest of the gang.

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  • All Pro
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:29pm

    On 5/24/07, Romney spoke about how he was tolerant about gays and then he discussed the current illegal immigration bill before Congress:

    He expressed less tolerance for illegal immigrants, and said he and President Bush have a difference of opinions on a bill that would provide a path toward legalization for an estimated 12 million people unlawfully in the country. “He has his view, and other people have their views and I have my own,” Romney said. “This is for all intents and purposes a form of amnesty in that everyone who is here illegally today will be able to stay under this bill.” The bill is unfair to people who are trying to come to the country legally, he said. People here illegally should be able to apply to come to the United States, but under the same terms as everyone else and behind those who have already applied. “I don’t think that we’re going to round up 11 or 12 or however many million people and bus them out of the country. That’s not what I’m talking about,” Romney said. “Those who committed felonies, of course, would be deported. Those who require government assistance to stay here would surely need to get off government assistance and ultimately could not remain here on government assistance.”
    Willard gets a pass on this one.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Mitt_Romney#Record_as_Governor

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  • RoBoTech
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:19pm

    I appreciate all the opinions here, but just don’t agree with all of them.
    MY opinion is that an Executive Order is NOT a LAW. And the “dreamers” should have known the risk of a TEMPORARY EO!
    I expect Romney to not ONLY kill that EO (along with MANY other of the Marxist Liar’s EOs) but to use the information gathered by Obama’s DHS to find and DEPORT all that so happily took an award for breaking the LAW!
    No matter whether it is after the fact or not, laws were broken to give that “amnesty” by Obama, and laws are being broken by the “dreamers” AND THEY KNOW IT!!

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  • moreteaplease
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:17pm

    Nice try Huff Po ( weak as it may be ).

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  • shoulda coulda woulda
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:03pm

    Is this guy stupid or what. Stop talking about things that no one is talking about. Talk about foreign policy failures, down grading the military and the shambles our economy is in. Either he is the dumbest smart guy I have every heard of, or his advisors are busy seeing how big an “ass” they can make of Romney.

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    • Vet003
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:25pm

      No – what do you expect him NOT to talk about? You think he shouldn’t talk on multi-points of ideals? Are the key factors to this campaign those that you wrote about? Yes – he would be “stupid” not to speak on a variation of topics that directly involve those that are registered voters and are teetering based on issues that just aren’t looked as important to when compared to other ones.

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  • Mutiny
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:01pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related

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  • I Luv America
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:57pm

    All this boils down to is the progressive propaganda machine kicking into gear. Ignore it and keep your eye on the ball (i.e. kicking Obama out of office).

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  • SUNTZU
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:54pm

    When you go to bed tonight
    lock all the windows and doors,
    all but the back door,
    Sleep well.

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  • marine249
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:47pm

    PROG.
    from the last line of your post
    you do not understand the so called
    DREAM ack.

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  • The_Jerk
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:47pm

    Keep it up and he’ll doom his candidacy. People will sit home. We all know that he’s a progressive wearing a “R” shirt. If he keeps throwing it in people’s faces, he’ll need his old Bain Capital job back.

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  • PATTY HENRY
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:46pm

    HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE: I trust Mitt Romney to make a reasonable, honest, helpful decisions. Mitt (unlike Obama) LOVES AMERICA; Mitt (unlike Obama) Understands the BIG Picture. HUFF and PUFF all you want… MITT is getting my vote because he is NOT a TRAITOR; HE would not buckle under to the Muslim Brotherhood; He would NOT thumb his nose at Congress and tell corporations to BREAK THE LAW; He would not make a mockery of the USA. I believe that MITT and PAUL will be able to solve this immigration/border problem – after they save us from this financial debacle that the DEMS (yes it was the DEMS…remember they took over the $$$ in JAN of 2007) have us in.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on October 3, 2012 at 12:53pm

      Patty, He and the RNC turned a deaf ear to the voice of the people and pushed their agenda anyway! He committed federal crimes during the campaign. Yes he is just so trustworthy for freedom issues isn’t he.

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  • sWampy
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:46pm

    Do the readers of the HP not realize that everything they writes are lies thinly veiled as the truth?

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:45pm

    So we see that Romney is standing for the Constitution itself of the cited Article in the story.

    Yet we see as well the MSM still making another effort to spin Romneys comments as a favorable light on Obama while making Romney looking as if engaged in a game of ‘catch if catch can.’

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  • kiddopup
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:44pm

    WE are screwed I rember Glenn saying the dems nare high speed over the cliff and the rerpublicans are just going at a slower pace but was is sad is the blaze trying to spin ROmneys own words it is a little twisted

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  • neiman1
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:44pm

    It’s a simple way not to look vindictive. The Independents and some Latino votes are needed to evict the current occupant of the White House. There is nothing Romney could say that should keep a conservative away from the polls.

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  • ProgressivePete
    Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:42pm

    It matters not whether or not Romney accepts the dream act, either way Obama secured majority of the Latino vote with it. Even Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to immigrants.

    Obama 2012, Hillary Clinton 2016-2024, Julian Castro 2024-2032

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    • RightUnite
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Wow! That must be some good hooch you’re smoking there dude! Did you wipe Obama’s **** with it before you smoked it?? That would explain the silliness of that post!

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    • floridareader
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 1:58pm

      @Pete
      You still have a lot of world to see. Some day you’ll regret the progressiveness of you current thinking.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:01pm

      The immediate deportation of 20 + million illegals including the foreign exchange student Marxist POS in chief currently destroying America will go a long way in saving what’s left of our republic.

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    • 00100111
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:07pm

      Boy are you in for a surprise. Promise us one thing, though. After future President Elect Romney gives his victory speech on the evening of Nov 6th, will you have your suicide video posted to YouTube the next morning, pretty please?

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on October 2, 2012 at 2:15pm

      ProgressivePete – Have you ever lived outside of America? Have you ever lived in a socialist country? A friend just moved back to America from Italy and she said she couldn’t stand to live in a socialist country any longer. She also wondered what the heck Americans were doing even thinking about socialism. Its one thing to be taught by progressives teachers that socialism is just great. Its another to actually live in a socialist country. God help us with the brainwashered people indoctrinated with lies

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