Although some argue that, financially speaking, the U.S. is the world’s “cleanest dirty shirt,” noted financial manager and Pacific Investment Management Company (PIMCO) co-founder Bill Gross in an October letter to his investors warns that we’re going to have severe economic problems unless we address our spending addiction.
“[The U.S.] has federal debt/GDP less than 100%, Aaa/AA+ credit ratings, and the benefit of being the world’s reserve currency — which means that most global financial transactions are denominated in dollars and that our interest rates are structurally lower than other Aaa countries because of it,” Gross writes, arguing the U.S.’ position as an economic leader.
But don’t be fooled by how Gross sets up his argument. He clearly believes the U.S. has major fiscal problems and that they should be addressed carefully and calmly.
“[A]rmageddon is not around the corner. I don’t believe in the imminent demise of the U.S. economy and its financial markets. But I’m afraid for them,” he writes.
And he’s not alone: The International Monetary Fund, the Congressional Budget Office, and the Bank of International Settlements all agree the U.S.’ financial habits have gotten out of hand. But what do reports from these agencies amount to?
“What they’re saying is that when it comes to debt and to the prospects for future debt, the U.S. is no ‘clean dirty shirt,’” Gross writes.
“The U.S., in fact, is a serial offender, an addict whose habit extends beyond weed or cocaine and who frequently pleasures itself with budgetary crystal meth. Uncle Sam’s habit, say these respected agencies, will be a hard (and dangerous) one to break,” he adds.
Well, there’s no dressing that up. The U.S. has a major spending addiction. What does Gross use to support this claim?
“[T]he three [agencies] all try to compute what is called a ‘fiscal gap,’ a deficit that must be closed either with spending cuts, tax hikes or a combination of both which keeps a country’s debt/GDP ratio under control,” Gross writes, noting that a “fiscal gap” differs from a “deficit” because it includes projected costs/spending (i.e. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid).
And because it’s difficult to understand the U.S.’ predicament from the data alone, Gross helps you visualize it by comparing it with other major countries.
“Several years ago I compared and contrasted countries from the standpoint of PIMCO’s ‘Ring of Fire,’” Gross writes, referring to the perilous “Ring of Fire” a country enters when its annual deficit and ‘fiscal gap’ get out of control.
“What the updated IMF, CBO and BIS ‘Ring’ concludes is that the U.S. balance sheet, its deficit (y-axis) and its ‘fiscal gap’ (x-axis), is in flames and that its fire department is apparently asleep at the station house,” he adds.
So how do we keep our debt/GDP ratio from exploding? Gross suggests two options: a) cut spending or b) raise taxes to 11 percent of GDP over the next 10 years. But given the current environment in Washington, it’s doubtful whether either of these issues will be addressed seriously.
“If we continue to close our eyes to existing 8% of GDP deficits, which when including Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare liabilities compose an average estimated 11% annual ‘fiscal gap,’ then we will begin to resemble Greece before the turn of the next decade,” Gross warns.
“Unless we begin to close this gap, then the inevitable result will be that our debt/GDP ratio will continue to rise, the Fed would print money to pay for the deficiency, inflation would follow and the dollar would inevitably decline,” he adds.
His warning continues:
If that be the case, the U.S. would no longer be in the catbird’s seat of global finance and there would be damage aplenty, not just to the U.S. but to the global financial system itself, a system which for 40 years has depended on the U.S. economy as the world’s consummate consumer and the dollar as the global medium of exchange. If the fiscal gap isn’t closed even ever so gradually over the next few years, then rating services, dollar reserve holding nations and bond managers embarrassed into being reborn as vigilantes may together force a resolution that ends in tears. It would be a scenario for the storybooks, that’s for sure, but one which in this instance, investors would want to forget. The damage would likely be beyond repair.
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Mr. H.
Nov. 7, 2012 at 10:19pmAgain the MSM chose the Republican candidate they wanted for us in the primary election process. That is the candidate the MSM thought easiest to defeat. Then the MSM protected Obama from his blunders and spun his agenda favorably. And again the MSM defeated the Republican candidate. Romney is not a conservative. George Bush II was not a conservative. Clinton was a MSM favorite son they pushed to victory. George Bush I was not really a conservative. Regan was the last conservative President and he built an economy that survived Bush I, Clinton, and 3 years of Bush II. The MSM will never allow a conservative to win the Republican Primary Election again. The MSM can not defeat a conservative.
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kindling
Oct. 6, 2012 at 11:35pmone MILLION second equals 12 days.
one BILLION seconds equals 32 years.
one TRILLION seconds equals 32,000 years.
Now for those of you from Chicago let me explain this to you. That would be like getting a dollar each second, how long it would take to get to each number. Yes, you can’t get to a TRILLION and yet the number invented to describe space travel is now being used as if it were not much more than a million or even sadly even a Billion.
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KidCharlemagne
Oct. 3, 2012 at 10:00amThe Founding Fathers were simply brilliant….
Practically everything that they warned us about is coming true right now:
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“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”
-James Madison, Political Observations, April 20, 1795
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kindling
Oct. 6, 2012 at 11:37pmOh, but their ideas are outdated…..
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1Haole_Boy
Oct. 3, 2012 at 9:59amLet us look at this properly:
__ Low interest rates are created by the fact that more people are saving money and that the economy is deflating. The opposite is true. People are saving very little because their money is inflating at an alarming rate so they are mor inclined to spend now and not wait next month or next year when their dollars have shrunk in buying power due to inflation at the Federal Reserve vis a vis quantitative easiing; printing dollars at hyper-speed.
__People, in response to the low interest rates, are borrowing and not saving. Student loans have tripled in the last ten years to over a trillion dollars.
__The interest rates ought to be much higher compelling people to save money which creates venture capital for growth. This needs to be in conjunction with a shrinking money supply so that bad investments made by abnormal market conditions (abnormally low interest rates and abnormally inflated money supply) can go to where they will create wealth and value. All of these adjustments would have happened normally and automatically with a stable money supply and supply and demand driven interest rates.
**Please read Murray N. Rothbard’s book: America’s Great Depression, http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Great-Depression-Murray-Rothbard/dp/1607961105
**Please read Peter D. Schiff’s book: The Real Crash: America’s Coming Bankruptcy
http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-Crash-Bankruptcy-How-ebook/dp/B006JJPBGE
** Also Read: New Deal or Raw Deal?: Burton W. Folsom
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1Haole_Boy
Oct. 3, 2012 at 9:39am__The Federal Reserve has pumped trillions of extra M2 into the economy while keeping the interest rates artificially low.
__The US Government went from a $2.7 Trillion budget in 2007 to a $3.6 Trillion budget in 2011. This with a $1.3 Trillion dollar deficit given that the treasury takes in $2.3 Trillion for its budget and borrows the difference.
__We paid out of this budget $430 billion in interest for the debt service.
__The fewest percentage of Americans in nearly 30 years are working. USA Today said that, “Only 45.4% of Americans had jobs in 2010, the lowest rate since 1983 and down from a peak of 49.3% in 2000. Last year, just 66.8% of men had jobs, the lowest on record.”
__Twenty three million Americans are either unemployed or under employed. The bureau of labor statistics shows U6, which includes those who gave up looking for work, just below 15% whereas the U3 numbers, which include only those who have not given up looking for working, around 8.3 percent.
__The government cannot create jobs, it can only take resources away from viable competitive free market enterprises and give them to government propped up, less viable enterprises like Solyndra which went bankrupt. A more viable enterprise was bumped out of the way for Solyndra to get its government backed loan. The bank will get its money back from the taxpayers.
__The only way jobs can be created is if the government cuts its spending allowing those wasted resources to create jobs.
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elderbat
Oct. 2, 2012 at 11:58pmif not mistaken or memory failure, PIMCO manages 401ks for companies across the country; at one time they managed employee plans for payless shoesource. I think collapse will come sooner rather than later; don’t want to think about fallout from all of those lost portfolios. also heard rumblings here and there for some time now that the fed would love to take over all those retirement plans itself and nationalize them. another nightmare. but his report sums it up pretty well…we’re in deep you-know-what.
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Jenasus
Oct. 2, 2012 at 10:53pmGreece is Obama’s blueprint for America.
Obama hates America and is doing everything in his power to destroy America.
Obama’s only HOPE for CHANGE is to turn America into a third world country like Kenya where he was born.
If Obama is re-elected Obama will continue moving FORWARD to destroy America.
Obama is like a crack head on crack when he is not reading from a teleprompter.
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CulperGang
Oct. 2, 2012 at 3:56pmNo. Mainstreet Judeo/Christian middle-class America is NOT in charge THEY are NOT the Meth/Heads. When they were in charge there WAS prosperity and people left their doors, open without being burglarized. Walked down the street without being robbed and the neighborhood was filled with healthy children playing in the streets. Then the PROGRESSIVES put drugs into the Black neighborhoods and destroyed Black America and turned to robbing the streets, hence 75% in jail. While the rest are murdered with abortions. The the Progressives set to destroying White middle class. Fisrt by using Hollywood to degenerate young minds. Then staganting wages to present day levels which EQUATES to 1970 levels in 2012. Progressives=NWO=Bilderbergers=1% whose end game is to KILL OFF THE US CULTURE. The methheads are the traitors in the US government.
God strike them all dead. God bless the US and the US grunts in the Armed services.
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paperpushermj
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:24pmIn my opinion the reason this Counties staggering $16+ Trillion Debt has failed to spark outrage with the electorate is because 99% of people have no understanding of what just one Trillion Dollars is let alone what $16+ is. It’s a word that doesn’t conjure up an image in their mind,so passes through undisturbed.
The voters need to have a picture in their mind to understand how deep a hole we as a Country are in.
Please google “What does a Trillion Dollars Look Like” and understand that what you see is just 1 Trillion. After your rage dies down send your own message along with the link to everyone you know.
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RANGER1965
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:18pmI’m not sure there is a road back to solvency.that does not involve a significant default.
The best situation I can see is a “controlled” default sort of like a bankruptcy. Some kind of agreement to pay our creditors back 10 cents on every dollar, and that debt being paid over 20 years. This would still require massive cuts and slashing of the budget.
Our credit rating and ability to borrow would be compromised for at least a generation, but after 30 years and with some serious changes in the government especially in the department of fiscal responsibility we might get the American engine running again.
What’s sad is the above situation might be the best we can hope for.
Since doing the above would piss everyone off, and cause a great deal of pain; whichever administration and party does it will be voted out, and would not likely return for a decade.
Who has the balls for such a thing? Which politician is patriotic enough to sacrifice himself, his name, and his legacy to do what needs to be done?
The alternative and more likely scenerio is an economic collapse. Our political system and the way the media works ensures that anyone that tries to do the right, abeit painful thing; will be destroyed. So it won’t get done.
A true economic collapse in these modern times, will make the Great Depression seem like a holiday.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:56pmThe printing presses will run until the bitter end. That is the only thing left. There is no value left in the system other than the assets that exist either in reality or through fiat inflation. The only way we grow is nominally. The die has already been cast and there is no turning back.
“By a continuing process of inflation, Governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some …. Those to whom the system brings windfalls …. become “profiteers” who are the object of the hatred … the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery .. Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose.” — John Maynard Keynes
There’s some irony eh? Even Keynes would be saying WTF? Frankenstien (the statists) has killed his creator (Keynes).
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:59pmcontinued from my last post…
It looks like the printing of money (inflation) is something that both sides of the economic coin could agree upon. It is the cardinal sin of eternal damnation. Once you go down that path it ends in ruin and social upheaval. History is FULL of examples back to before Christ of currency debasement and subsequent death on a grand scale.
Anyway, Von Mises’ agreement with Keynes…
“Inflation can be pursued only so long as the public still does not believe it will continue. Once the people generally realize that the inflation will be continued on and on and that the value of the monetary unit will decline more and more, then the fate of the money is sealed. Only the belief, that the inflation will come to a stop, maintains the value of the notes.” – Ludwig von Mises
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drs1969
Oct. 3, 2012 at 12:29am‘Only the belief that the inflation will come to a stop’
I’ve had that thought for a few months now. If the Rep’s sweep, there’s a chance that will happen. Anything less, I’m pulling the rest of my money from the bank and buying all kinds of metals. I want to beat the crack-up.
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thegreatcarnac
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:05pmLook at the melt down in a positive way. We will have a target-rich environment with all of those leftwing types rioting. Go out now and buy more ammo.
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Stelex
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:18pmPositive spin………I like it.
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mrb419
Oct. 2, 2012 at 7:23pmMe too!
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NILAP
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:03pmAmerica will come out of her problems leading the world spiritually and morally. The US Constitution will be the basis of a World Republic – America Supersized with other nations joining this World Republic started with our Founding Fathers. The US Constitution is God’s Shariah for humanity – a democratic Republic not a theocracy. I give all due to the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith for stating back in the 1840s that this is the destiny of America and her Constitution. Now we must protect this precious gift from God from being transformed into a socialist nightmare.
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Independent4233
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:44pmUS debt/GDP is already OVER 100% right now. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/total-us-debt-soars-1015-gdp
Greece’s debt to GDP is about 150%.
When debt to GDP ratio goes over 100% a nation is considered bankrupt or insolvent.
The US is on track to implode economically BEFORE the next decade.
I’d like to point out that, before the time we reach150% Debt to GDP, we will be suffering much consternation, riots, chaos and sporadic upheavals all across this land.
Collapsing empires don’t occur overnight, because they’ve reached a line drawn by somebody in the sand. They disintegrate by degrees, incrementally with tumultuous upheaval on everty front that affects everything and every body prior to the outbreak of armed conflict.
Many predict civil war by 2020. But the years preceeding the event could be as bad for many of us as the actual conflict itself.
Romney can forestall things, and there’s a wild outside chance he could possibly put us back on the road to solvency and prosperity, but it’s a long shot.
On the other hand, the re-election of Obama guarantees financial implosion…..and that’s no exaggeration.
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ChiefGeorge
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:57pm2020? I believe much sooner than that! The increments of collapse are happening albeit socially, morally, adopting and following the Left as a religion, following a man called Obama as if he were a messiah. Its all here! American power disintergrating around the world at an epic pace, due in course because the USA has no longer a moral standing in the world which people respected us for and yes even there was a time when Muslims respected us more not just for our power but for our strong moral stance on many subject’s they hold near and dear….those days are long gone, no longer are we a male led country with strong devotion to our spouses and children….no sir! We’ve become a feminized bastion of FEELINGS based social programs and policies, even our foreign policy is feminen. We can’t run a country like this! No country ever in the history of the world survived by being run on FEELINGS and by Woman, BHO is more of a woman than a man…a metro sexual with feminen leanings.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 2:04pmEvidently they haven’t talked to Paul Krugman. He says everything is doing just fine. We need to spend more and we could benefit from an “alien invasion”. Why y’all so worried?
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drs1969
Oct. 3, 2012 at 12:41amThis collapsing empire will occur just about like the USSR did in ’91. Our government is managed the same way. Useless programs and wars being paid with useless(no gold convertabilty) currency. We’ve gotten this far on fumes (reserve currency status), which, is basically, a tax on foreigners. The USSR didn’t have that.
When a majority lose faith in it, it’s over. The Chinese have already figured it out.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:16pmHeisenberg – Pinkman 2012!!!!!!
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SlushPuppyKing
Oct. 2, 2012 at 4:04pmYou’re damn right Heisenberg-Pinkman 2012
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:13pmHe’s wrong on a few points. Debt to GDP ratio is over 100%. Estimates are for 2012 GDP to be somewhere around 16Tr and debt at the end of that period will be well over 16Tr. Ratio will probably be around 103 or 104%.
Credit ratings have been downgraded again and we are on negative watch and given the fact that congress will not cut spending a subsequent round of rating cuts will occur in Q1. These will likely cause institutional covenants to kick in causing a serious sell on treasuries. This will jeopardize future FOMC auctions and cause the Fed to expand balance sheets even further causing greater tail risk on sovereigns. Higher interest rates results in bigger deficits as cost to float debt rises. Cycle repeats again.
He is correct that dollar hegemony is the only thing keeping this together. If a competing currency should emerge OR if BRIC’s and Africa should agree to go off the dollar then the hegemony could erode resulting in massive inflation and interest rate spikes…crushing any capital investment that results in jobs. This is why everyone is itching to blow up some Arab countries to keep the Saudi’s in the hegemony and signal the Russians and Chinese not to threaten the dollar. It is a high stakes game of chicken.
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drs1969
Oct. 3, 2012 at 12:53amThe Chinese and Indians are now(since july 1st) buying Iranian oii with gold and barter. Quadafi tried it and was killed. The dollar is dying. We better learn from the Iranians, Chinese, and Indians.
Gold and barter.
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drs1969
Oct. 3, 2012 at 1:23amAlso, with the Fed rigging negative real rates for the greater part of ten years now, they are forcing gold onto everyone. This is probably why they are talking about allowing gold deposits under Basel 3.
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term limits for congress
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:13pmWe are blessed to have serious-thinking people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Dear Leader who will fix the economy and reduce the debt. I will not be disheartened by Mr. Gross’ doom and gloom racist predictions.
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thibx
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:12pmcorrupt politians and unions. president who is a educated fool. educated is all the wrong things. never worked a day in his life even as president and ever thing he has done as president has made thing worse. shakes his fist in the face of God. to vote for oboma you are voting the judgement of God on this country.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:24pmYou do realize that this is bigger than Owebama right? This started before he came on board, he just stepped on the gas pedal is all. If you think a GOP congress and Mitt Romney are going to produce balanced budgets you are delusional. If you think that the debt in that scenario is somehow better than the debt in the current scenario then you aren’t using your noodle.
The system has been looted and all that is left is corruption and political power. Neither side will address the real issues. We are left waiting for the collapse so that we can start over. Hopefully that will not be under a despot but liberty instead. We’ll see. History says we are screwed.
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kat747
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:06pmHere’s a suggestion for saving the economy, stop sending foreign aid checks and stop paying salaries and benefits to the Administration and Congress – that includes Air Force I & II, etc.
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LeadNotFollow
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:04pm…
The anti-Christ in the White House ran up most of America’s 16 Trillion dollars of debt.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:15pmMost? 6Tr. of the 16Tr.? That is a HUGE accomplishment (sarc) but it isn’t “most”. It took our country 200 years to get up to 1Tr in debt. This year we added a Trillion in 270 days. Think about that.
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Popp40
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:03pmThe question is whether or not those who support Obama really care?
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Gonzo
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:14pmThey don’t even care enough to know about it Popp. How else is the assclown up in the polls?
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Stelex
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:27pmThe polls have to be skewed…….they have to be.
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Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:35pmHeck does anyone care. At the time of writing this there are 15 comments on this topic. Professor stripping in class and saying there is no God has 40+ and has only been up a few minutes.
Let’s be honest, it’s not like the GOP supporters are going to be mistaken for Mensa members.
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Stelex
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:54pmYeah, just checked 56hits for the fat naked teacher and 17 for the debt. And the debts been up much longer…..we are screwed.
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Exidor
Oct. 2, 2012 at 1:31pmI think if the headline had said “Male” professor strips in class, there would have been fewer hits.
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Gonzo
Oct. 2, 2012 at 3:12pmI don’t know Roth. I think most people on here pass it over because they already know how effed we are and it gets depressing reading about it when it appears all sanity has left the country. After all, a little over half the country seems fine wiith it right now.
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Gonzo
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:01pmOur POTUS is the leader of the choom gang.
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Cavallo
Oct. 2, 2012 at 11:56amTake note of the Obama signs in the yard. They must be doing okay to vote for him so when society collapses you would know who has the supplies and is also unlikely to be armed.
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Prosecute_Constitutional_Treason_In_Washington
Oct. 2, 2012 at 12:04pmThe US like Greece has no moral compass and that’s why both are meth. addicts. The US just has more cash to burn through. There’s no difference and yes both will end badly for the citizens. In the end the citizens will receive their just reward destruction of their lives. It’s all baked into the cake.
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elderbat
Oct. 3, 2012 at 12:04amsomeone gave my elderly father one the other day for his car window: OneBigA$$MessAmerica…Dad is a WWII vet and retired long-haul trucker; he proudly displayed it in his back window.
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Gary_K
Oct. 2, 2012 at 11:48amYup, doesn’t help that we have a coke addict in the White House.
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