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Editor’s Note: The following “fact check” was composed by The Associated Press. Below, find the inconsistencies the AP claims to have found during last night’s U.S. presidential debate.
For TheBlaze’s own original fact check on economic lies and mistruths from last night’s debate, click here. Also, be sure to read our complete coverage of the debate to see the full-range of reaction from pundits and commentators.
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WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney spun one-sided stories in their first presidential debate, not necessarily bogus, but not the whole truth.
They made some flat-out flubs, too. The rise in health insurance premiums has not been the slowest in 50 years, as Obama stated. Far from it. And there are not 23 million unemployed, as Romney asserted.
Here’s a look at some of their claims and how they stack up with the facts:
OBAMA: “I’ve proposed a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. … The way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 in additional revenue.”
THE FACTS: In promising $4 trillion, Obama is already banking more than $2 trillion from legislation enacted along with Republicans last year that cut agency operating budgets and capped them for 10 years. He also claims more than $800 billion in war savings that would occur anyway. And he uses creative bookkeeping to hide spending on Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Take those “cuts” away and Obama’s $2.50/$1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases shifts significantly more in the direction of tax increases.

Democratic presidential candidate, U.S. President Barack Obama (R) reaches out to shake hands with Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (L) during the Presidential Debate at the University of Denver on October 3, 2012 in Denver, Colorado. The first of four debates for the 2012 Election, three Presidential and one Vice Presidential, is moderated by PBS's Jim Lehrer and focuses on domestic issues: the economy, health care, and the role of government. Credit: Getty Images
Obama’s February budget offered proposals that would cut deficits over the coming decade by $2 trillion instead of $4 trillion. Of that deficit reduction, tax increases accounted for $1.6 trillion. He promises relatively small spending cuts of $597 billion from big federal benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid. He also proposed higher spending on infrastructure projects.
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ROMNEY: Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn’t have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.
Romney seems to be resurrecting the assertion that Obama’s law would lead to rationing, made famous by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s widely debunked allegation that it would create “death panels.”
The board has yet to be named, and its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.
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OBAMA: “Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up – it’s true – but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we’re already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you’re already getting a rebate.”
THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year’s 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.

US President Barack Obama (R) speaks during his debate with Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney (L), who greets the audience at the conclusion in Denver, Colorado, on October 3, 2012. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama’s health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.
More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.
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ROMNEY on the failure of Obama’s economic policy: “And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we’ve gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can’t find work.”
THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.
He got the figure closer to right earlier in the debate, leaving out only the part-timers when he said the U.S. has “23 million people out of work or stopped looking for work.” But he was wrong in asserting that Obama came into office “facing 23 million people out of work.” At the start of Obama’s presidency, 12 million were out of work.

This combination of images shows US President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney after the first presidential debate at the University of Denver on October 3, 2012 in Denver, Colorado. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
His claim that half of college graduates can’t find work now also was problematic. A Northeastern University analysis for The Associated Press found that a quarter of graduates were probably unemployed and another quarter were underemployed, which means working in jobs that didn’t make full use of their skills or experience.
The USA Today noted another claim — this time from Obama — about the jobs that have purportedly been added to the U.S. economy. Here’s the outlet’s fact check on that front:
Claim: Obama said the U.S. economy has created 5 million private-sector jobs the past 30 months.
Facts: After the economy plummeted in late 2007 and throughout 2009, the United States has gained 4.6 million private-sector jobs since the labor market bottomed in February 2010 — or 5.1 million under preliminary revisions released last week that are not part of the official tally by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Still, that’s weak by historical standards. Under President George W. Bush, the private sector also added 5 million jobs in the 30 months after employment hit bottom following the 2001 downturn, and the pace of private-sector gains in the previous two recoveries was far stronger.
Considering the importance of jobs and employment in the current sociopolitical debate, it’s interesting to note that both candidates seemed to be embellishing on these points.
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OBAMA: It’s important “that we take some of the money that we’re saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America.”
THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn’t create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government’s borrowing.
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ROMNEY: “At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. Electric rates are up.”
THE FACTS: He’s right that the average price has doubled, and a little more, since Obama was sworn in. But presidents have almost no influence on gasoline prices, and certainly not in the near term. Gasoline prices are set on financial exchanges around the world and are based on a host of factors, most importantly the price of crude oil used to make gasoline, the amount of finished gasoline ready to be shipped and the capacity of refiners to make enough to meet market demand.
Retail electricity prices have risen since Obama took office – barely. They’ve grown by an average of less than 1 percent per year, less than the rate of inflation and slower than the historical growth in electricity prices. The unexpectedly modest rise in electricity prices is because of the plummeting cost of natural gas, which is used to generate electricity.
This wasn’t the only fact-check that was conducted on the energy front. The USA Today clarifies another debate claim:
Claim: North America can become energy independent under Romney’s plan, creating 4 million jobs.
Facts: This is likely to happen anyway, possibly as soon as the end of the decade, Citigroup said in a book-length report earlier this year.
The key factor is not changes in policy, but changes in drilling technology that have let America increase oil production faster than any other nation in the world in the past four years, Citigroup said.
Declining crude oil imports, and more exports of natural gas and refined oil products, could reduce the trade deficit by as much as 40(PERCENT), adding 1(PERCENT) a year to economic growth, Moody’s Analytics estimates. Citgroup estimated that the emergence of the United States and Canada as a “new Middle East” could add 3.6 million jobs.
Considering ongoing conflict in the Middle East (one of the U.S.’s suppliers of oil) and increased energy needs, this subject isn’t likely to go away.
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OBAMA: “Gov. Romney’s central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut – on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that’s another trillion dollars – and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn’t asked for. That’s $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign.”
THE FACTS: Obama’s claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn’t add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney’s tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama’s math doesn’t take into account Romney’s entire plan.

US President Barack Obama speaks during his debate with Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney at Magness Arena at the University of Denver in Denver, Colorado, October 3, 2012. After hundreds of campaign stops, $500 million in mostly negative ads and countless tit-for-tat attacks, Obama and Romney go head-to-head in their debut debate. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.
However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.
The knock on Romney’s plan, which Obama accurately cited, is that Romney has refused to say which tax breaks he would eliminate to pay for the lower rates.
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ROMNEY: “What would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they pass it: Is the program so critical it’s worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?”
THE FACTS: China continues to be portrayed by Romney and many other Republicans as the poster child for runaway federal deficits. It’s true that China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, but it only represents about an 8 percent stake. And China has recently been decreasing its holdings, according to the Treasury Department. Some two-thirds of the $16 trillion national debt is owed to the federal government, with the largest single stake the Federal Reserve, as well as American investors and the Social Security Trust Fund.
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OBAMA: “Independent studies looking at this said the only way to meet Gov. Romney’s pledge of not … adding to the deficit is by burdening middle-class families. The average middle-class family with children would pay about $2,000 more.”
THE FACTS: That’s just one scenario. Obama’s claim relies on a study by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group. The study, however, is more nuanced than Obama indicated.
The study concludes it would be impossible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.
In one scenario, the study says, Romney’s proposal could result in a $2,000 tax increase for families who make less than $200,000 and have children.
Romney says his plan wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone, and his campaign points to several studies by conservative think tanks that dispute the Tax Policy Center’s findings. Most of the conservative studies argue that Romney’s tax plan would stimulate economic growth, generating additional tax revenue without shifting any of the tax burden to the middle class. Congress, however, doesn’t use those kinds of projections when it estimates the effect of tax legislation.
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ROMNEY on cutting the deficit: “Obamacare’s on my list. … I’m going to stop the subsidy to PBS. … I’ll make government more efficient.”
THE FACTS: Romney has promised to balance the budget in eight years to 10 years, but he hasn’t offered a complete plan. Instead, he’s promised a set of principles, some of which – like increasing Pentagon spending and restoring more than $700 billion in cuts that Democrats made in Medicare over the coming decade – work against his goal. He also has said he will not consider tax increases.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaks during his debate with US President Barack Obama at Magness Arena at the University of Denver in Denver, Colorado, October 3, 2012. After hundreds of campaign stops, $500 million in mostly negative ads and countless tit-for-tat attacks, Obama and Romney go head-to-head in their debut debate. Credit: AFP/Getty Images
He pledges to shrink the government to 20 percent of the size of the economy, as opposed to more than 23 percent of gross domestic product now, by the end of his first term. The Romney campaign estimates that would require cuts of $500 billion from the 2016 budget alone. He also has pledged to cut tax rates by 20 percent, paying for them by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest and through economic growth.
To fulfill his promise, then, Romney would require cuts to other programs so deep – under one calculation requiring cutting many areas of the domestic budget by one-third within four years – that they could never get through Congress. Cuts to domestic agencies would have to be particularly deep.
But he’s offered only a few modest examples of government programs he’d be willing to squeeze, like subsidies to PBS and Amtrak. He does want to repeal Obama’s big health care law, but that law is actually forecast to reduce the deficit.
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ROMNEY: “Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that.”
OBAMA: “That’s what we’ve done, made some adjustments to it, and we’re putting it before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan.”
THE FACTS: At first, the president did largely ignore the recommendations made by his deficit commission headed by Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson. He later incorporated some of the proposals, largely the less controversial ones. He did not endorse some of the politically troublesome recommendations, such as trimming popular tax deductions like the one for home mortgage interest.
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Gonzo
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:09amThe AP in charge of checking facts is as ludacris as Iran being on the U.N. Human Rights Council.
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kadster01
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:24amNo media outlet has been more blatantly left-leaning than the AP. I see numerous omissions and discrepancies in their so-called fact checking. For instance, it is nit-picky to point out that Romney included the underemployed and those who have stopped looking for work in his 23 million number. Are we to then assume those people don’t matter, as has been repeatedly done when reporting new unemployment data? “Facts” are what the MSM and the left say they are. They should be “fact-checked” daily.
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timpclimber
Oct. 13, 2012 at 1:02pmGonzo is correct. Romney was right on the money about the Obama Health Care IPAB Board. Its decisions are unregulated by any branch of Government and has the power to set the the price of any health care offered by medicare and thus controls what can be offered. See the CATO report for a sentence by sentence evaluation. It is the most unconstitutional government board ever established in our history. It can say for example, that cataract surgery for those under 65 will pay up to $5000 and for those over 65 will pay up to $250. Where can you find a qualified surgeon who can afford to do the surgery for that? And you can’t go to court to challenge the decision.
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Selfreliance
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:03amIn that last chunk assessing Romney cutting the deficit, the AP makes the same assumption the liberals always do… that our economy remains of the same size. Why is it so difficult for some people to realize that economies grow when people are more free to succeed? Once can take the relative size of government from 23% to 20% of the economy by keeping government the same and growing the economy by 15%.
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ModerationIsBest
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:50amBecause they are smart enough to realize that growth isn’t guaranteed so when you say, “I will pay for this with growth in the economy” you are then assuming that there will be guaranteed growth…something that can’t be guaranteed.
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TJSON
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:49pm@moderationisbest:
Thank you for your sanity.
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DoItRightTheFirstTime
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:31amModerationIsBest, that is why we need business peope in the mix – growth is relevant to planning when you know how to achieve it. The current President, or anyone running for the office, can also not guarantee passing tax cuts, increasing taxes, or legislating any new laws – as it is not solely up to them (Congress fits in there somewhere). They also have to ‘assume’ they can get those things accomplished by convincing Congress to go along with it. And then you have the other side of the ludicrous spectrum where they “have to pass it – to see what’s is it” – like they can accurately plan on what that’s really going to cost in the long run. Businesses regularly count on lower prices at lower profit margins- offset by volume – to make up the difference or cause even larger net profits due to the increase in sales. No difference here: lower taxes causes increase business activity and available income to taxpayers; which equals more people employed and thus more people paying income taxes; thus, more income to the gov. People are woring, paying their bills, and in some cases even removing them from the welfare system (a double improvement!)
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howdyrl
Oct. 5, 2012 at 3:53pmReply – moderationisbest –
Guarantee growing the economy is not an unreasonable statement. It really boils down to – “I plan to grow the economy as follow…….. It has been accomplished this way before and I feel sure it will work again.” Semantics, but still not unreasonable.
I’ve got no problem with it. Every single stemen canno be dissected into what you think, what he thinks,what they think.
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sbenard
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:01amThe AP, because they are part of the complicit fourth estate, failed to mention that the Tax Policy Center is a left-wing organization masquerading as a nonpartisan organization in order to create a fictitious air of credibility. Just follow the money. Soros money is all over it! Their cred… is dead! And now, so is APs!
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Histrees
Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:43amAmen! Following the money is always the key.
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EJ1979
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:56amAs hard it is to believe after obama fumbling over his words last night, that friends of mine on facebook that are Obama lovers, still support and praise him. I just dont understand. If Obama is re elected, the lines will never be clearer in this country, and we will see unrest, which is what Obama wants.
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gwinf
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:04amLove is blind
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pookieamos
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:17amObama has a hypnotic effect on the vulnerable in our society , something in their thinking that makes them believe and trust him . These people are NOT reachable until Obamas failures impact their lives on a grand scale .
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YAHUSHUAHRULES
Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:45amThis is the fruit of an AGENDA>>>dumbing down the populace so not only do they want big government but they will not survive without cradle to grave government care. Raising a generation so dumb they can’t govern themselves, they can’t critically think, they can’t serve on juries competently and can’t vote intelligently. Useful idiots for the state – A complicit media, captured Hollywood and forcing normalization of homosexuality and all manner of perversion, war against Judeo/Christian values, pledging allegiance to the earth rather then the flag of the US and the Republic for which it stands, environmentalism a tool of totalitarianism, a corrupt, amoral, godless generation and its not their children – for the most part they abort theirs – its co-oped indoctrinated “our” children and much more
If you don’t know all this that is just the tip of the iceberg of what we who truly love this country and its founding principles are fighting against:
AGENDA: GRINDING AMERICA DOWN. get it. watch it. share it
so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-dkKoJ3kT8
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N37BU6
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:51am“Retail electricity prices have risen since Obama took office – barely”
Wait until rates “necessarily skyrocket” when he gets his way.
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gwinf
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:03amThat’s BS! In my area, electricty has increase 40% becuase of a combination of weather related losses and most importantly, the forced shut down of 3 coal powered power plants by the EPA. The power company is using that as an excuse to ratchet up rates so they can build new natural gas plants to replace them.
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Oct. 4, 2012 at 10:02amSame here, in Ohio.
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LTinUT
Oct. 4, 2012 at 11:05amMy equal pay plan for electricity just went up $20 per month!! Gas prices are up, the cost of groceries has gone up while the size of packaging has gone down. Just look at the net weight of cereal boxes now. We used to buy steak frequently but can’t afford it anymore. My husband is hypoglycemic and needs to eat a low carb diet so our grocery budget is stretched more and more every week as the cost of protein foods goes up. It doesn’t help that he hasn’t had a steady job in 4 years!! Luckily I’ve managed to keep mine even through recent company outsourcing of jobs. We PRAY for Mitt’s success!!
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Do The Right Thing
Oct. 4, 2012 at 12:20pm@Gwinif: You too, huh! Where I live, Electricity has tripled from the current administrations regulations, now they don’t burn coal , they’re burning our trees, and calling them biofuels. Horsepuckie. Trees and their associated forests are quickly disappearing all around me. I’ll stick with coal. Deforesting the upper midwest will have more long term consequences than digging coal, I’m not a tree hugger, but we are raping our forests up here, in the name of green energy. Someone please stop the insanity, clamp down on the EPA!!!
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carolewash
Oct. 4, 2012 at 1:38pmOur electric bill went up %50 last year and we have hydo. I guess we have to pay for the wind machines that we don’t need as they turned them off because they produced to much electricity and the smart grid. ugh!
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Suzanne Winter
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:47amDon’t trust the AP at all.
Regarding the Death Panels
TheBlaze TV
October 1, 2012
Death Panels?
Was Glenn so wrong in saying that rationed care could lead to so-called “death panels”?
http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=25244601&topic_id=24584158
Explained by Dr. Dave Janda
The Death Panel can be found in the Stimulus Bill.
It is called the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research.
The definition of Comparative Effectiveness is the approval or denial of a test or treatment solely based on 1) the cost of that test or treatment divided by 20 the number of years the patient will benefit from that test or treatment
More information:
Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership
NOTICE: The Federal Coordinating Council was ended by the Affordable Care Act
http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/os/cerbios.html
Regarding the notice in the above link; only the NAME of the death panel has been changed, not its mission.
Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research
Report to The President and The Congress
June 30, 2009
US Department of Health and Human Services
http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/cer/cerannualrpt.pdf
American Thinker
August 15, 2009
‘Death panel’ is not in the bill… it already exists
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/death_panel_is_not_in_the_bill.html
Op-Ed Contributor
Beyond Obamacare
By STEVEN RATTNER
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4truth2all
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:53amYo Suzanne:
I agree … Beck should fact check the fact checkers and post that info … would be interesting.
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pookieamos
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:00amYes , you are so correct , those death panels are not in Obamacare , they were created a year earlier BURRIED deeply in the Stimulus Bill . The Complete Lives System spells an earlier death for many for no reason other than to free up resources for others . The formula will also include whether that person recieved large Social Security benefits , the more you draw , the more likely you’ll die. I guess you could say these evil people found a way to “save ” SS and Medicare , the answer is die and die sooner. Wait until the RFID chips come into play next year , GOD forbid , Romney 1 Telepromtor -in-chief ZERO !
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thetwilightzone
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:18amBut CATB, according to the AP, Romney was wrong because the “death panels” aren’t in the health care bill. They should have added the little point that they were passed in the stimulus bill before the health care bill was passed. That would have been true fact checking. The press just doesn’t want an informed nation.
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PATTY HENRY
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:35amFROM ABOVE:
“ROMNEY: Obama’s health care plan “puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.”
THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn’t have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.”
GOOD GRIEF!!! DO they think WE are as mind-dead as Obama was last night?! “…..the Board would have the power to FORCE (operative word) Medicare Cuts if costs rise above CERTAIN (really?) levels….” Who do we think is going to set the “CERTAIN” levels? The Board!!!
It’s really saying: ‘This Board DECIDES what the ‘LEVELS’ that ‘costs can NOT rise above’… That’s like saying “You will NOT be able to get medical payment approval for operation(s) you may need, if WE (the Board) do NOT want you to” — IF you can’t get operations authorized – and you need it
to keep living – THEN IT IS A DEATH PANEL!!!
I’m sure we can come up with ONE simple sentence that we can all use to make this point clear!!
Let’s try to do that!
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Byrrni
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:38am“The board has yet to be named, and its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care …”
This is nothing that can be counted on with the current Administration. They have managed to bypass a great many issues that are supposed to be the responsibility of Congress. I don’t trust them to abide by any promises they make to NOT ration care, especially to the disabled and elderly. Of course, I studied my history BEFORE the liberals rewrote it to suit their agenda so I remember pre-WWII German actions and plans for their “inconvenient” citizens” and “enemies”.
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pdw
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:11amAs for restrictions on the elderly they are already being implemented. As our age goes up more treatments are being stopped. They will not preform some operations as well some test depending on our age. They are no longer allowed to do those going by the guide lines they have been given in the late few years. So far I have not heard of any offers for death doctors just the comments our politicians make about the old people need to die so the young can have better lives.
I have seen some comments from college students saying Romney won but they were undecided on who to vote for as they need to hear more on each issue. But at the same time say they would continue to campaign for Obama.
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PATTY HENRY
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:56amSO they are trying to say: But this BOARD will have Senatorial Approval? REALLY?? Under HARRY REID??? like the BUDGET? – oh, right, we don’t have a budget. Obama doesn’t EVER follow the Constitution and he would NEVER follow our Constitution in this case either.
NO!!! not just NO, HELL NO!!!
NO BOARD, NO SENATE (or anyone) APPROVAL, NO CENTRAL BOARD, NO BOARD. Go straight to hell Obama and take your Obama care with you, do not pass GO, do not collect $ 200.
That one clause alone is reason to kick that inept BRAT out of office.
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RoBoTech
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:36amLook for the Socialists meme for today that Mean ol’ Romney is unsuited to be POTUS. As Axelrod said last night “America does not want an Aggressor in Chief (?)”.
Axelrod is insane, but watch for this spin, today.
And don’t forget that Sharpton screamed RAAAACISTS” last night, while spitting on everyone close by. What, no towels?
Where is Towlie when you need him, Al? For your spittle, and for the rest of MSNBC’s tears and sweat.
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RoBoTech
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:32amNo facts from AP’s OPINION on unemployment, either.
Their claim is that 23 Million unemployed does not include people that have GIVEN UP LOOKING (?) 2 mill. And those that are on part time work.
Well, I’ve got news for them, a COMMON SENSE Conservative knows that not working (as in “giving up”) is STILL unemployed.
And that “part time work?
Better look close at that, too.
That is people that go from part time to part time, not actually having a permanent job. And that “Part Time” could end at any second means, UNEMPLOYED!
Those that are under employed? That means they can’t find work that is in their training, education and experience career fields. To think those are actually employed is a fantasy.
When Romney says 23 Million unemployed he is 100% correct.
Only a lalaland liberal would not have the common sense to see that.
Too bad we have so many insane adults in America.
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bplumb23
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:44amSame figures that have been twisted every single campaign for my entire lifetime. This isn’t a new numbers game.
This article doesn’t catch probably half, but then it would be so long. Each candidate lied or exagerrated on every single response last night. Both of them.
Good thing it doesn’t really matter. Who the heck are the undecided voters anyways? How can anyone be undecided right now?!
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myway
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:23amI always look to the AP for the truth! Obama got taken to school and so did AP!
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Lennon was a closet Republican
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:20amTruly, when TheBlaze TV has a big enough staff to provide a “fact checker” let us know, but all the others are biased beyond usefulness. I didn’t read any part of this article.
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gwinf
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:54amI read it, but came to the same conclusion as you. There were very few so called facts that were factually correct. Most of the “facts” were biased to lend credence to the Democrat line of conversation. I am so tired of supposed facts that take away from the actual intent.
scudster
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:19amTo find Obama today one must look under the bus where Mitt masterfully placed him.
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pookieamos
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:50amWell said !
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Monkfish
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:19amThe unbiased AP fact check (cough) claims Romney misled by including in his number of unemployed, those who’ve quit looking for work! This is laughable. Wonder where they got that little bit of deception?
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Bojaco
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:16amNo death panels? Um…did the AP forget to read the NY Times?
Rattner writes:
Medicare needs to take a cue from Willie Sutton, who reportedly said he robbed banks because that’s where the money was. The big money in Medicare is not to be found in Mr. Ryan’s competition or Mr. Obama’s innovation, but in reducing the cost of treating people in the last year of life, which consumes more than a quarter of the program’s budget.
No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of the equation, it’s natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand — have systems for rationing care.
The AP can “pretend” it’s not death panels all they want…It is death panels. However, mincing words does not change the facts.
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AxelPhantom
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:51amIn February of 2011 the organization that determines how organ transplants are allocated were considering (upon request by the Federal Government) their longstanding methods for selecting who recieves a kidney (the most common transplant) They were asked to review and make more “efficient” changes by a Federally contracted board. Those on the list will not “qualify” for a transplant if they are 15 years older than the donor, regardless of time on the list, need (very ill, but still healthy enough to survive the transplant) or compatability (blood and tissue etc). Should the changes be made it would mean that those over, say 50 could not recieve an organ donation from a 35 year old. The reasoning is that they are trying to “best utilize the gift” of the donated organ. Death panels? Oh, pshaw! They would never be so overt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/23/AR2011022306875.html
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ilevy57
Oct. 4, 2012 at 9:42amsee how you feel when your care is rationed when you are not ready to go (i.e. Liverpool “Care” Protocol)
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TJSON
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:56pmWe already have ‘death panels,’ they are called health insurance companies. They literally do exactly what you are describing.
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Apple Bite
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:08amSo Romney didn’t have all his facts right to the letter, while Obama just plain avoided telling the truth….ie: LIED
Sounds about right.
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Kenszen
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:07amBlaze, why are you giving us what the AP said are the “fact checks?” We know that “fact” and “AP” does not go together in the same sentence. If I wanted the lame stream media’s take on it, I would have read their article. I come here to read what the real news is. Please remember who your audience is and why this website exists.
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HKS
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:00amAt the age of 70 or so, all you will get out of that advisory board is an aspirin, so don’t get sick.
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biohazard23
Oct. 4, 2012 at 8:31amAnd Odumber will be gleefully pushing Granny off that cliff in her wheelchair…. You know, all for society’s best interests and all….
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Eugene1
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:46amEven the AP view is questionable and can be argued incorrect. Facts inn politics are in the eye of the beholder.
Setting facts aside, Romney looked presidential and in total control of the knowledge and leadership factors. Obama looked beat, tired, weak and throughly trounced. My guess he put his foot through a wall on the way back to the hotel!
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ObserverOnTheHill
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:35amRahm’s brother and “The Complete Lives Systems” equals “Death Panels” no other way to spin it.
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Obama Been Lauding
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:33amThe Fact is, Obama wants to control everyones life, with regulations, health care, energy, and food!!!
This is unamerican, and closer to Socialism, or even Communism!!!
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loriann12
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:33amI’m sorry, but I didn’t get past the part where Romney talked about the advisory board. Romney was RIGHT. There is going to be a board made up of former doctors (none are allowed to be currently practicing which means they’ll be out of touch) and they can be any kind of doctor. So, a pediatrician could be making decisions on whether to do surgery on a neurological patient. You have to ask the board, which will only be availiable during a normal work day, and how many emergencies happen during an 8 hour day shift? I’ve already had it affect my care because my insurance company determined that what my oncologist wanted to do was too expensive and made him go with a cheaper alternative. My oncologist wanted to give an hour long infusion of a solution to support my bone health (the cancer has moved to my bones) and the insurance company made him do a shot instead.
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BeHeardAmerica
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:32amIndependent Patient Advisory Board will be a DEATH PANEL without question, to think different is NUTS.
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NO_MORE_OBAMA
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:29amObama got his azz handed to him last night! If that is the best Obamy can do, this election is over.
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bplumb23
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:48amIt was already over. But not for Obama. How many people could have possibly made up their mind because of last night? The candidates are so clearly different, I just don’t get the undecided.
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:26amObama still got crushed last night by Romney.
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CatB
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:25amIf the AP thinks that the IPAB (Independent Patient Advisory Board) wouldn’t cut services they are sadly mistaken .. Obamacare has already come out with age and benefit cuts .. don’t get cancer over a certain age etc … this board is to make more cuts .. so that they can STEAL MORE from Medicare and give it to “friends” of the regime.
R & R 2012!
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Lucy Larue
Oct. 4, 2012 at 6:32amCATB,
AMEN Cat. Amen.
As far as the AP and fact checking? Who are we kidding?!
R. and R. 2012 !
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Oct. 4, 2012 at 7:17am@CatB:
Exactly, the death panels are established fact.
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Mr.-FreeMarket
Oct. 4, 2012 at 2:43pm“Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama’s health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn’t have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.”
You can pass a law that requires the moon to move 1,000 miles closer to the earth, too.
Lemme see here…..millions of more patients, fewer doctors, doctors getting reimbursed at a lower rate, costs rise, panel approves Medicare cuts, fewer doctors take Medicare….
Yeah; AP sure has this one right.
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