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‘Stop the Ad Personam Silliness’: Fed Up Rudy Giuliani Tussles With MSNBC Panel on Romney Tax Plan

Oct. 4, 2012 7:33am

After Wednesday night’s presidential debate, the frustration over at MSNBC was at nearly never-before-seen highs. Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews all turned on Obama after he offered a poor performance (their words), and so when former NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani appeared on the show, the network’s election panel seemed ready to take out that frustration on a token conservative.

But Giuliani wasn’t going to be a punching bag, and he made that quite clear.

For example, Maddow early on tried to accuse Romney of changing his tax plan and told Giuliani that it was simple math and “not calculus” that supported her position, the mayor threw up his arms and said, “What you’re doing is superimposing the Obama interpretation of his plan on his [Romney's] plan.”

Fellow panelist Chris Hayes then tried to roll out the old mantra that Romney is all about trying to cut taxes for the rich because he wants to extend the Bush tax cuts, But Giuliani shot that down, too.

“If you extend the Bush tax cuts, you don’t cut taxes, you keep taxes where they are! If you don’t extend the Bush tax cuts, you raise taxes,” he said, before explaining that if he pays a higher rate next year that is, in fact, raising taxes.

“Right, because you make a lot of money!” a fired-up Hayes said while including some hand gestures.

“Stop the ad personam silliness,” a visibly frustrated and flummoxed Giuliani shot back. “The reality is it’s true for everyone.” He then scolded Hayes for “yelling and screaming” at him and not allowing him to finish.

You can watch it all unfold below:

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  • dublinthewagons
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 9:15am

    Barack didn’t have his mind on the debates. He was thinking about having to kiss the moose after
    The debates. Anniversary ya know..

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  • Landon410
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 9:14am

    example of “trickle down”
    my family owns real estate, rental properties….
    My father who was a successful person for many years “retired” at 55 and started this other “business” in real estate, the more properties we get, the more money we are able to make, the more people we hire.
    We now have 2 full time “handy men” that were unemployed.
    This is my fathers full time job, my mother works kind of part time with it…… (but thats a stretch, although she does own her own business that she runs full time)
    I work part time with it (and yes I do have my own full time job)
    and now we have 2 full time employees

    Because of this small business my father is running 3 people have full time jobs and 2 people part time. If they have lower taxes and are able to grow (get more properties) then they would have to hire a 3rd full time employee

    however what Obama wants to do is raise taxes on my father, at which point, he would not be able to buy more properties, not be able to hire more employees, and might even have to let one of them go.

    benefits of this small business, it employees people! it improves neighborhoods by taking slightly rundown properties and fixing them, this increases that homes value, and that of the houses next to it.
    Raise taxes on him like Obama wants, and he will fire an employee, not grow, and not improve the neighborhoods

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    • Isitover
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 3:39pm

      Landon, if you run, for most anything, I’ll vote for you. You gave a simple, easy to understand synopsis, on job creation. Cudos!!

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  • gville
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:57am

    Hayes and Maddow went into that gun fight with sticks!

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    • 4xeverything
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:54am

      I think it is hilarious how even MSNBC knows how just plain stupid their watchers are and how they have no problem speaking to them like second year third graders.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:15pm

      @gville
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:57am

      Hayes and Maddow went into that gun fight with sticks
      ****
      Aaaaah! But they think they really laid one on Guilani because he didn’t fire his gun on them. Sort of like everyone’s built obama up to be the meanest best debater in the world, til someone who actually knew what he was doing was the opponent. Imagine john kerry’s advice, “and if it gets too rough, pay someone backstage to shoot you in the **** so you can get your medal and run for Congress again!

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  • PeteOH
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:57am

    Rachel is an idiot! Is the only qualifier at MSNBC that, in order to be a reporter, you have to have a low IQ and act like a drunken tard with a head injury?

    Rudy rocks! Mitt kicked @ss!!!! Poor Barry…

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  • THXll38
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:54am

    These moronic libs don’t get it. Rachele Madcow is, beyond my comprehension, wealthy and somewhat famous; therefore, resulting in providing jobs. She does realize that poor and even the middle-class do not have the funds needed to create jobs.

    The more successful you are, the less you should pay — it is about incentive and reward. Promoting a nanny and cradle to grave society is indeed not a way to promote self-reliance, drive, and motivation to become more successful. This is the core difference between the left and right.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 9:02am

      “The more successful you are, the less you should pay”
      It doesn’t work that way – even if taxes were equal, which is what you reference (I think), if you’re making a million and I’m making 100k, both at 10% tax rates, you’ll still pay more.

      If what you wrote isn’t a typo (and I think it is) then you’re saying the wealthiest should pay ZERO taxes. I think it’s a typo…

      I think it better to say “The harder/smarter you work, the more you earn, the more you keep.”

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    • Oldmantex
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 11:01am

      Republicans needs to start playing the democrats game. Learn to tell the truth and not answer the question to get YOUR point across and avoid giving them the answer they want. All Rudy had to say was rich people pay more in taxes than the poor. No matter how they frame their question, the answer is rich people always pay more than the poor.
      You would drive them nuts because your answer is factual and they cant get you to give them the sound bite they want.
      Even ask them “Are you saying rich people dont pay more than poor people?” Just to rile them more!!

      You need to get into the debate. If asked “Do the tax cuts Romney wants help the rich, is it a tax cut for the rich?” Your answer is “If you are asking if the rich pay more in taxes than the poor under the romney plan yes they pay more”

      Its simple and they cant stand it.

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  • Cataclysm
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:51am

    One of Madcows first shows had a clip of a big time economist the clip. The economist was asked could McCain run a business and he said “no, he couldn’t,” and Madcow went on for half her show bashing McCain “if he can’t run a business, why is he running for president”

    However on fox the same clip aired and the guy said “no, he couldn’t, but neither could Obama.” This opened my eyes to MSNBCs lying. And it’s funny now that we have a guy who can she’s blasting Romney over his business experience.

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    • Cajunindep
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:10pm

      YES! I just now, out of curiosity & humor watch “pooor” Rachel waist her whole first 15 min segment trying to “splain” why her idol’s **** wipping by a lowly governor doesn’t matter! And the morons who “suggest” repeatedly Mitt has less foreign policy experience than Obama seem to CONVENIENTLY not mention, neither did our current president 4 yrs ago!

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:50am

    The Rose-Colored glasses are finally starting to turn clear somewhat. Their boy-king showed that he was not used to being given hard questions and challenged like he has been for the last four years and his worshippers are bummed out, because they are starting to see him for who he truly is: a clueless idiot. Eunuch, Chris Hayes had trouble understanding that when you let a tax cut expire, taxes go up. Such an elementary concept for people who want to talk about calculus and math. It is amusing to watch.

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  • Bullitt2008
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:37am

    I actually watched MSNBC after the debate and DVR’d FOX Business so I could watch Cavuto later. You could have knocked Ed Schultz over with a feather he was so distraught. They went after Rudy Giuliani big time and he just came back and called them on their propaganda lies. You really have to watch the whole interview to appreciate the smack down the Mayor gave them.

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    • woodyee
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:56am

      Chrissy Tingles Matthews threw a wild tantrum at the man that gives him tingles! I think it might be “splitsville” between those two if things don’t pick up…

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      woodyee  
    • lb6751
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:57am

      MSNBC /NBC have a tract record of hiring idiot’s !!! They are embarrasing to watch !

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  • osc66ar
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:37am

    Mitt Romney PAID MORE taxes last year than the average taxpayer paid in their lifetime

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    • LIBSALWAYSLIE
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:52am

      Mitt paid more in taxes in one year than the average person will MAKE in a lifetime. He also gave more to charity in one year than the average person will make in a lifetime. So you liberals who push the “evil rich guy” BS are just plain brainwashed. If you like being lied to, just keep watching the lame stream media.

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:37am

    I would vote for a steaming pile of dog crap before I would vote for Odumbass ………..

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  • semihardrock
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:36am

    If Romney is elected…the Stock Market will crash, gas prices to $7.00 a gallon, Real Food Inflation will hit, US Dollar will collapse………

    It WILL BE all Romneys fault………..just like Mortgage Meltdown that Clinton imposed from giving poor people free houses and making US Banks give them money …..was Bush’s fault…

    If Romney can STOP disaster from happening in the US….He is not a President.He is in fact… a G-d

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    • woodyee
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:53am

      …and if Gaybama is re-elected, the waters will recede (this time, really); more people will be employed (this time, really); everyone will have healthcare they can afford (just forget the CBO numbers of 2.4trillion in real cost at inception – this time, really); we will be loved by the world over (this time, really); we will all live the Rodney King dream of all getting along ((this time, really); taxes will be lowered (this time, really); gas prices will be lower (this time, really); we will all bath in the sunshine of solar and wind (this time, really); the budget will be balanced (this time, really)…

      Did I leave out any promises Gaybama made for his first term in office, that he really needs four more years to keep this time – really?

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  • Mr.D
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:30am

    I know this question has been thrown out there a million times but I’ll ask again. Where does this disdain (dare I say, hatred) toward people who are “rich”? Progressives must think people, that make more than the average person, must have made the money either illegally or immorally. Okay maybe not immorally since morals supposedly went out of style 4 years ago.

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    • ANGGUY32
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 6:03pm

      Progressives want people to hate the rich because it is an easy way to cause distrust—a have’s vs the have-not’s. Progressives know that if they try to actually use facts to support their beliefs they will fail.. If people are making decsions based on emotions and what they feel they are more likely to not think through the problem and come up with the right solution. Another thing is that progressives want people to “think” with their emotions (like jealosy or envy) instead of actually making an analytical decision based on facts

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:26am

    In the next debates look for a change in podiums. As I predicted a few days ago, 0bama’s podium with built in single screen teleprompter should be ready.

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    • 13th Imam
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:39am

      The reason Barry’s head was bowed was he was trying to read his Obama Phone screen as a teleprompter.

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:22pm

      @RJJinGadsden
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:26am

      In the next debates look for a change in podiums. As I predicted a few days ago, 0bama’s podium with built in single screen teleprompter should be ready
      ***
      Probably, Mitt needs to learn to slip a nice strong magnet onto him when he shakes hands so the signal messes up.

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      Mil Mom  
  • woodyee
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:26am

    In reference to tax cuts, the disconnect occurs when an ignorant talking head asks “How are we going to pay for it?”, as if the government were on the losing end when it comes to taxes.

    When it comes to taxes, the ONLY people stuck with worrying how to pay for them are the taxpayers. Tax CUTS are nothing more than reducing the amount taxpayers pay, or REFUNDING over-payments to taxpayers, which almost never happens.

    It is a sure sign of ignorance (or contempt of the listener) when someone on tv or radio asks “How are we (the gobblement) going to pay for them?” in reference to tax cuts. Remember that, Lefties; they often treat you as if you’re stupid or ignorant; you often prove them right…

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    • tnchick
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:38am

      Leftists present it that way because they believe the money belongs to THEM; government gets to decide how much of your money you may keep!

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:29pm

      @woodyee
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:26am

      In reference to tax cuts, the disconnect occurs when an ignorant talking head asks “How are we going to pay for it?”, as if the government were on the losing end when it comes to taxes.

      When it comes to taxes, the ONLY people stuck with worrying how to pay for them are the taxpayers. Tax CUTS are nothing more than reducing the amount taxpayers pay, or REFUNDING over-payments to taxpayers, which almost never happens.

      It is a sure sign of ignorance (or contempt of the listener) when someone on tv or radio asks “How are we (the gobblement) going to pay for them?” in reference to tax cuts. Remember that, Lefties; they often treat you as if you’re stupid or ignorant; you often prove them right…
      ****
      I totally agree, that very supposition is that all money belongs to the government, and they graciously let you keep a portion of what you earn. Kind of legalized slavery, that’s why the employer has to take the govmnts share out before you get your share. It’s the ChiTown racket system on steroids, no wonder obama and axelrod/plouffe were so anxious to take ownership of the govmnt. ( No misspelling here, I’m just putting the government on a diet!)

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  • rambosharley
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:18am

    Man, those commies were in complete meltdown! They just can’t stand seeing their messiah getting his A$$ handed to him! lol

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    • woodyee
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:39am

      I thought I heard Bryan Ross say that Chris Tingles Matthews was so angry, he deflated his Gaybama blow-up doll last night…”No sex for you, Gaybama doll!”

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    • texastommy
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 1:02pm

      But he sure had fun blowing it up before the debate.

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  • HPC172ERTAV
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:13am

    I too was amused by the talking heads at MSNBC. In fact Ms Madcow it is FAR more complex than calculus which offers only one correct answer for a problem.

    There is a disconnect that started some 25 years ago – the idea that a tax cut had to be paid for as if the government actually knows how much money will actually come in in any given year. The government can’t even answer how much it owes.

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  • kenboo1
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:11am

    Rachel Maddow truly is an idiot…

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  • Markie Mark
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:05am

    I immediately turned on MSNBC after the debate to laugh my $ss off. They were so upset and pathetic and I loved it…

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  • PAres
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:05am

    Rachel Maddow’s first response after the debate was, “I don’t know who won the debate …”.
    Seriously? No wonder hardly anyone watches her lying propaganda show.

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    PAres  
  • DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:02am

    Lesson from MSNBC: Don’t make money. If you make money, we will hate you and steal it from you. If you make money [except in literature and the arts] you are evil.

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  • PAres
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:00am

    Rachel Maddows first response after the debate was, “I don’t know who won the debate”.
    Seriously? No wonder hardly anyone watches your lying propaganda show.

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    PAres  
  • Knot28
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:51am

    Now that was a great beat down of that little, pompus Hayes.

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  • HOOT_OWL
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:49am

    If this is how all the liberals are going to act ,after their messiah gets schooled.
    How are they going to act ,after election day when he gets crucified. ?

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    • Recceman90
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:12am

      Look to the “Austerity protests” in Greece for your answer!

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    • HOOT_OWL
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:23am

      Recceman90
      Exactly..!

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    • Mil Mom
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 10:33pm

      @HOOT_OWL
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:49am

      If this is how all the liberals are going to act ,after their messiah gets schooled.
      How are they going to act ,after election day when he gets crucified. ?
      ***
      Be ready for an “odinga style” reaction where his supporters ravage the nation until Mitt and Ryan agree to a power sharing agreement. America’s never had a prime minister, but neither did his African Nation until they needed to stop the violence!

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  • NEWFAIRFIELD
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:47am

    Those people make me sick ! Love rudy

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 8:25am

      Yes, you are so right. But, we need to see and hear them to know what we are facing. Get to know the other side. It sucks, but I do often check in on them.

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  • angelcat
    Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:40am

    Why does Rudy even go on show like this? It is not as though these people want to know the truth or will be fair or even civil. And it is not as though very many people even watch the programs, though I must admit I forced myself to turn to MSNBC to see if Matthews would have a melt down and got there just in time to watch his tantrum, which was very amusing.

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    • LIBSALWAYSLIE
      Posted on October 4, 2012 at 7:49am

      I’d like to see all republicans and conservatives refuse to go on ANY of the political talk shows on msnbc. This would cause them to lose their last six viewers. Let them just sit around and agree with each other and see if anyone tunes in. Liberals are pathetic.

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