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Gay Boy Scout Denied Eagle Award Because of His Sexuality

Oct. 5, 2012 8:51am Billy Hallowell

Gay Boy Scout Ryan Andresen Says Hes Being Denied Eagle Award Because of His Sexuality

Photo Credit: Andresen family/Yahoo! News

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is known for its controversial stance on homosexuality. In July, the organization announced that it plans to continue its ban on gay membership after a two-year review of the contentious policy.

This obviously did little to redeem the BSA in the eyes of gay rights activists, who believe that its Christian-based views are discriminatory and unacceptable. And new Allegations coming from Ryan Andresen, a scout for the past 12 years who is claiming his homosexuality is preventing him from participating in the BSA, will likely add fuel to the proverbial fire.

Ryan is claiming that, despite more than a decade of service in the scouts, he is being denied the group’s highest honor — the Eagle Award — because he is gay. The San Francisco resident says that he recently finished an extensive service project that was required in order for him to receive the award, however his troop leader is allegedly refusing to grant him the honor.

“He said he can’t because Ryan said he is gay,” explained Karen Andresen, the boy’s mother.

Interestingly, Ryan claims that his scoutmaster has known about his sexual orientation for quite some time. In fact, he says that it was a point of discussion and that the local leader told him that they would “get by the gay thing.” Ryan told Yahoo! News that he is devastated by the refusal to grant the award.

“It was by far the biggest goal of my life,” he told Yahoo! News. “It’s totally devastating.”

Troop 212′s leaders did not respond to requests by media, but a national spokesperson for the BSA did put out a statement regarding the matter. Deron Smith, an official representative for the group, said that Ryan contributed to the current situation by openly stating that he is opposed to the BSA’s religious stance.

“Recently, a Scout proactively notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout Counselor that he does not agree to Scouting’s principle of ‘Duty to God’ and does not meet Scouting’s membership standard on sexual orientation,” smith wrote to Yahoo! News. “While the BSA did not proactively ask for this information, based on his statements and after discussion with his family he is being informed that he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting.”

Clearly, there’s an issue here of free speech and religious practice on behalf of both Ryan and the organization. While some may disagree with the BSA’s actions, the group maintains a strong allegiance to faith and, thus, opposes gay membership. As far as Ryan goes, some will argue that he is merely remaining true to himself and that he should reserve the right to do so. There’s no easy answer on either front, as the situation is certainly a complicated one.

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Regardless, Ryan’s mother, Karen, is working diligently to urge local leaders to overturn the decision. The scout only has a few days remaining until his 18th birthday — the cut-off point by which he must earn his Eagle badge. She has launched a petition in support of her son that has already brought in more than 133,000 signatories. On the web site for the petition, she wrote, in part:

It hurts me so much to watch Ryan suffer for being who he is, because to me, he’s perfect. Ryan has worked for nearly 12 years to become an Eagle Scout, and nothing would make him more proud than earning that well-deserved distinction. I hope that if enough people come together, we can convince my son’s troop leaders to help him feel proud of who he is and all he’s accomplished.

“Citizenship in the Community,” a merit badge earned, means standing up for what is right, and I am proud of Ryan for doing just that. Will you stand with him too, and join this campaign?

“I’m so disappointed and confused,” Ryan said of his scoutmaster. “I know he isn’t a person who hates gay people, but I never thought he would do something like this.”

What do you think about this scenario? Let us know in the comments section, below.

(H/T: Yahoo! News)

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Comments (341)

Master K
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:29am
The Boy Scouts are a Catholic organization. It was your choice to join them and thus abide by their moral code. Stop complaining.

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- blarman
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:08am
  Just a correction, but the Boy Scouts are not affiliated solely with or overseen by any specific religious identity. They only mandate that Scouts MUST believe in God, but they do not dictate which God. There are Hindu, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Boy Scout organizations.
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:21am
  The boy is being used to hurt the organization. It’s as simple as that. Since they couldn’t destroy them legally they are hoping to attack them with public shame and guilt. If that doesn’t work then they will ignore them.
  
  If the gay community really felt so strongly about this then they should start their own gay scouting organization. Call them the woodland fairys or somthing.
  
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- CamilleF
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:37am
  The Boy Scouts have more courage than the Catholic Church.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:43am
  The Boy Scouts is hurting themselves. Hundreds of Eagle Scouts have returned their badges because of the blatant bigotry the Boy Scouts have displayed.
  
  The Boy Scouts are rejecting the every values they same they stand for. The US should rethink the special access to Federal Lands, that this hate group now enjoys.
- statutoryape
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:49am
  Being gay is a choice and this guy could have chosen to wait until he got his eagle before giving into his base urges.
  
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- braddock66
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:00am
  They have a moral code.You can’t plug your friends hole.Your gay and start your own Boy Scouts.Lets see them start their own fire and tell stories of the nights where they rode the gravy train!
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:21am
  “……gay rights activists, who believe that its Christian-based views are discriminatory and unacceptable.”
  
  That’s too bad. If homosexuals want to join an organizxation in order to have opportunities to engage in perversions with the same sex, they’re free to start their own group. So are those who engage in beastiality.
  
  Whether it’s joining the priesthood, the Boy Scouts or any all male groups, homosexuals do so in order to pursue their perversions. They have no interest in the organizations themselves.
  
  Homosexuals especially are eager to infect groups where contact with young boys is available to them, because they can use their positions and maturity to flim flam children into allowing themselves to become victims of perverted sexual abuse. They don’t particularyly prefer young boys, it’s just that they find it so much easier to scam them and trick them or use their positions over them than it is to do the same with men.
  
  That’s why they’re particularly eager to horn their way into the Boy Scouts.
  
  And as for boys like the above, their primary purpose to join is to increase their opportunities to find sex partners as well. That’s first and foremost with them. It’s not learning how to tie knots. What they really need is intense psychotherpy to rid themselves of their mental disorders so they can lead normal lives.
- smwk
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:34am
  Boy Scouts are not a catholic organization. In addition to the other religions that support them, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints also supports them.
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:37am
  If ECINOM is correct, and gay eagle scouts are turning in their badges in protest, then Kudos to those former scouts.
  
  It’s not often that you see people honest enough to give up an earned accomplishment when they recognize that they no longer deserve it. Christian morality is deeply ingrained in the Boyscout code and in it’s oath. This means that homosexuals do NOT qualify to be Boy Scouts, and certainly not Eagle scouts.
  It’s good to see that these former Eagle Scouts possess the integrity to honor their oath, and give up these awards when they no longer deserve them.
  
  If they really feel strongly about it they should start their own Gay scouting organization.
  
  Problem solved
  
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- JC_is_KING
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:38am
  BLARMAN u really need to do some research…/.there is no hindu or jewish boy scouts….if you take a little time you will find that those are programs that the boy scouts have approved, it in no way makes them BSA. they have simply used the same information
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:04pm
  Hundreds of Eagle Scouts have returned their badges because of the blatant bigotry the Boy Scouts have displayed.
  
  And yet THOUSANDS still have theirs and proudly display them…
  
  A week from now, this attentin whore wil be on his way being Obama’s activist.
  He’ll be fine.
  
  I am proud to have been a Scout. That day ends when they embrace homosexuality.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:10pm
  There you go again Ranger, lying like a good little Christian. Its not just Gay Eagle Scouts returning their badge, its all Eagle Scouts who are outraged by the overt bigotry the Boy Scouts have embraced.
  
  UCC, Episcopals, and other Christian denominations have accepted homosexuality into their flocks. So to say it goes against Christian teaching is another lie, nor is the BSA a Christian organization, they only require a belief in a higher power.
  
  To suck on the teat of Conservative Christian donors the BSA has abandoned their values. The are now an anti-American hate group. That is way straight Eagle Scouts are returning their badges.
- NRAmedic23
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:17pm
  Hahaha, so according to this idiot Encinom, the BSA is now a “hate group”. What a freaking clown! So I guess the Catholic Church is a hate group too (and I have no doubt this clown believes just that). The kid said he doesn’t stand by Duty to God. BYE-BYE. On my Honor, I’ll do my best, do my duty to GOD and my country, obey the Scout Law, help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. He doesn’t believe in this, he shouldn’t be award the highest award that this “hate group” bestows. I for one will turn MY Eagle award in if they cave on this. However, THIS is what the liberals do. They make a group the enemy. Just like they did with Augusta until they caved and allowed female members. We have turned into a bunch of spineless d-bags!
  
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- jeffile
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:30pm
  Some posters obviously do not understand freedom of association. The SC court settled the issue long ago. Also those same posters are completely ignorant or willfully overlook the bible’s condemnation of homosexuality. I don’t know how much clearer the bible could make it. Some may feel there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and that is fine; that is their choice. However, those with opposing views have the same right to reject that view. If you go to church and accept those who allow actively practice homosexual actions then that is not a Christian church. However, you are free to worship in any manner your heart desires but have the decency not to claim you are something which you are not.
  
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- 702TruthSeeker
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:47pm
  The whole concept of boy scouts and girl scouts is to have kids focus on self improvement and not their sexual urges by being around their peers of the same sex. We have separate bathrooms for men and women, meanwhile the dude standing at the urinal next to mine could be gay and feeling some sick pleasure out of being there (that’s why i will use a stall + close door) I think our society was built on a set of ideas which are no longer valued and we either need to change our society to reflect that or go back to our values and stop letting 2% of the population control how we live our lives
  
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- Joey8
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 1:35pm
  Why would any self-respect in homosexual align themselves with a group that is completely against their way of life. It would be like me joining a group that promotes homosexuality and one of the requirements is to be a homosexuality. Why would I join that group and try to be awarded by them if our values are so different?
  
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- ChrisSTL
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Since the BLAZE is a verb, instead of talking about it, here is something we can do. Here is a petition on same website to support Boy Scouts
  http://www.change.org/petitions/boy-scouts-of-america-uphold-your-morals-and-your-support-of-the-traditional-family
  
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- RANGER1965
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 1:48pm
  @ECINOM
  
  Well at least you are consistent in your inability to think critically. Itt’s patently obvious to any reasonable person that you have lost your argument, (hence the twisting of facts), and you have certainly lost it on moral grounds.
  
  The Boy Scouts are still going strong despite the hatred and angst produced by you and your peers. And I’m sure they will continue to do so.
  
  You should learn to relax about things like this. Stop worrying what other people are doing, and start considering yourself. If an organization is in your mind hateful bigots then it stands to reason that in the passage of time they will be seen as such and disapear. No protests, no screaming and crying is necessary. If however it is a good and honorable organization as I think it is, then it’ll likely be around for a long time.
  
  And if that is the case you need to man up and admit you’re wrong.
  
  In the meantime just relax, and read a few books on critical thinking. It’ll make you a better person.
  
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- Ronko
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:02pm
  I have to agree. The BSA’s views haven’t changed since they’ve been founded and they shouldn’t change. I mean do I need to point out Jerry Sandusky and what he did at Penn State and Dr. Earl Bradley who raped 100 children ranging from 6 months old to 14 years of age. It is a security issue and I’m glad that he’s being rejected.
  
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- Oldmantex
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:39pm
  How many of the straight kids had to come out and tell everyone who they want to have sex with?? That’s right NONE. Keep your mouth shut, we don’t care who you want to sleep with, maybe then you would have your Eagle scout title. But because you felt it more important to talk about something personal and no one gives a sh@t about but you, you lost it.
  Welcome to the real world. Now stop crying, go get some chic-fil-a!!!
  
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- Granny58
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:41pm
  @ Encinom – “UCC, Episcopals, and other Christian denominations have accepted homosexuality into their flocks. So to say it goes against Christian teaching is another lie,” It is one thing to accept homosexuals, quite another to approve. There is not one person sitting in a pew who is not a sinner. It is the denominations that approve of homosexuality that are wrong. That they abandon Christian ideals does not make it right.
  
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- scarebear83
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 4:02pm
  Encinom: “UCC, Episcopals, and other Christian denominations have accepted homosexuality into their flocks. So to say it goes against Christian teaching is another lie…”
  
  Actually it’s not a lie. Homosexuality DOES go against Christian teaching. The reason these denominations have accepted it is because that’s what they are, denominations. Any “church” that puts men’s creeds/beliefs above God’s is not a Christian church it is a man made church. So I’m not surprised when denominations do this because they have already said that the Bible is not good enough, that they have to add their own ideals and beliefs.
  
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- shimauma
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 4:37pm
  The Scoutmaster should have kicked the kid out as soon as he knew the boy was choosing a sexually deviant life style. It was wrong of him to get the boy’s hopes up when he knew the righteous stance the Boy Scout organization takes on a perverse lifestyle choices. As to the boy, he is too young to know if he should choose a sexually deviant lifestyle and his mother should be ashamed of allowing him to pursue perversity that will put her son in danger both physically and emotionally.
  
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- RedManBlueState
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 4:39pm
  @Ranger1965: Thanks a lot, Ranger!! I just had to replace my keyboard! You made Coke spew out my nose with that “Woodland Faries” comment.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:20pm
  “That is way straight Eagle Scouts are returning their badges.”
  
  They’re doing no such thing. You’re lying, because it’s the only way you can offer any real rebuttal.
  
  All homosexuals are liars. Some homosexuals lie more than others.
  
  You people have finagled, lied, intimidated, exaggerated and have done everything to help out your sick agenda by hook or crook, but at no time have you exercised your option to seek psychiatric help for your onerous affliction.
  
  You have no credibility with anyone, and your biggest obstacle to advancing your disgusting practices is not religion, but nature itself.
  
  Mother nature instills in each of us a disgust toward any perverted practice….whether it is homosexuality or beastiality….. that would interfere with a perpetuation of the species, and the embeded trait is almost as strong as the instinct to survive.
  
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- Wolfdean53
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 2:19am
  I was a Boy Scout when I was a kid back in 1965 to 1968… later I was a Boy Scout leader .. Scout Master.. for 14 years… I believe in what they are doing is right… gays have no part in Boy scouts.and If you are a young man who did join the Scouting and knowing you are gay … you know the Rules… and do not use the Scouting as to pass your life style on everyone… And do not use Scouting as your Soap box… it will not work.. and it will not with me… that is all I have to say God bless…
  
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- Oldtimer2
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 12:47pm
  Encinom said “UCC, Episcopals, and other Christian denominations have accepted homosexuality” Sold out would be a better word instead of “accepted” These so call “christian” denominations have set themselves up thinking they have more authority than God Himself and have sold out to political correctness and pressure. They are all nothing more ‘man centered” religion.and work overtime to twist the Word of God to suit themselves. They think they know more than God. Good for the Boy Scouts for not being just another “sell out, sudo-religious orginiaztion” like those denominations.
  
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- ERP
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 1:09pm
  @ENCINOM
  
  The Boy Scouts Of America have been around a lot longer than this individual has been alive. Their views and moral codes have been well established yet this individual made the choice anyway to join their ranks. The lesson here is this individual needs to learn how to read the fine print and not rock the boat if he doesn’t like what he sees.
  
  There are plenty of organizations that would have taken this person in (such as the Girl Scouts) so he shouldn’t have joined in the first place.
  
  “Hate Group”…says you.
  
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- ERP
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 1:16pm
  @NRAMEDIC23
  
  I would venture to say that any organization that isn’t Anti-Christian, Anti-American, Anti-Heterosexual, Anti-Military and is Pro-Islam, Pro-HOMOsexual, and Pro-Atheist would be considered a Hate Group by @ENCINOM:
  
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- puravida56
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 2:57pm
  @ statuoryrape (great christian handle) said “Being gay is a choice and this guy could have chosen to wait until he got his eagle before giving into his base urges.”
  
  If sexuality is a choice, when did you choose to be heterosexual? Was it a hard choice. Did you way the pros and cons?
  
  For me, heterosexuality was never a choice. When I was five, I was checking out the girls on the monkey bars. It was instinct, there was no choice. No amount of debate, reasoning or prayer could make me choose to be gay because I am not gay. Sexuality is not a choice.
  
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- SLAPTHELEFT
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 4:06pm
  Encinoms comments appear in every story that has to do with gay.
  
  Gays can pool their funds and start their own group. Simple fix.
  
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- fletch63
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 4:21pm
  I know I would not have my kid go camping with a group that allowed Gays ,he is from the **** capital of the U.S so he probably feels normal, and the mother is a real quack . This country really needs help .
  
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- barryswhitehalf
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 4:39pm
  The BSA of America are a private organization that have a set of rules and guidelines in place. This boy and his family knew this going in and now because of his sexual lifestyle choices, the BSA are supposed to just cave into more homosexual fear and hate mongering.
  I know many in the homosexualist movement think somehow they are more special and more entitled than the rest of us but they are not. Your sexual choices do not make you unique and private organizations need not break their traditions or procedures to suit the whining and pouting of one scout’s family.
  
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- Tex_Rabbit
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 9:33pm
  All is you have to believe in a supreme being. Jews and Hindus qualify. Atheists do not qualify. If you want a gay scout organization feel free to start one.
  
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- repairsea
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 11:32pm
  Christian organization and largely Mormon.
  
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- ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:46am
  “Gay Boy Scout Denied Eagle Award Because of His Sexuality”
  
  “Recently, a Scout proactively notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout Counselor that he does not agree to Scouting‘s principle of ’Duty to God‘ and does not meet Scouting’s membership standard on sexual orientation,” smith wrote to Yahoo! News. “While the BSA did not proactively ask for this information, based on his statements and after discussion with his family he is being informed that he is no longer eligible for membership in Scouting.”
  
  Well, sex pervert kid … it sounds like AIDS has spread to your brain. You haven’t been “denied” an Eagle Award, you’ve been KICKED OUT OF THE BOY SCOUTS for perversion and then lying about it to worm your way into the Scouts! And good riddance, too.
  
  http://usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsoathlaw.asp
  
  BOY SCOUT OATH
  ————–
  On my honor
  I will do my best
  To do my duty
  to God and my country
  and to obey the Scout Law.
  To help other people at all times.
  To keep myself
  physically strong
  mentally awake
  and morally straight.
  
  BOY SCOUT LAW
  ————-
  A Scout is
  Trustworthy
  Loyal
  Helpful
  Friendly
  Courteous
  Kind
  Obedient
  Cheerful
  Thrifty
  Brave
  Clean
  and Reverent.
  
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- JMW
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:23pm
  thank you! If you dont like it dont join The Boy Scouts!
  I feel bad for anyone hurt but its your decision to participate in their organization
  
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Frodo RinosBane
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:26am
Sorry, son. You have known since the day you took the Scout Oath what the stance on this was. You chose to continue ignoring it, and you say your scoutmaster did, too. Bad choice.

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- encinom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:45am
  Nothing in the Boy Scout Oat, justifies the BSA’s overt bigotry and their anti-American stance against fellow Americans.
- ThinkThenDo
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:58am
  The Boy Scout Oath, which boys take when they join the BSA, and many times throughout their time with the scouts reads:
  
  On my honor I will do my best
  To do my duty to God and my country
  and to obey the Scout Law;
  To help other people at all times;
  To keep myself physically strong,
  mentally awake, and morally straight.
  
  The last line isn’t a recent addition. It was there when I was a scout more than 3 decades ago. One of Scouting’s goals is to teach boys integrity so that they can be effective men who contribute to society and become role models for others. How can he violate an oath he took and expect to be awarded scouting highest rank? Kudos to the BSA for standing behind what they stand for.
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:54am
  @encinom, you sound like a fool, but that is par for the course for you!!! This is teaching this young “man” a very valuable lesson, and one that others will see too, that there are consequences to your decisions and choices. His mother should be slapped with a negligience lawsuit, as it sounds like he was “gay” as a young boy. Tell me, how does a young boy “know that he is gay”??? Heck, my kids didn’t know they are heterosexual (by practice, i.e. having sex) until they are way older than Eagle scout age. These poeple are crazy stupid. So I guess mom let him have sexual encounters before 16?? Sick, sick, sick……
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:16pm
  @CMDR6
  
  The only thing the BSA is teaching is how a morally bankrupt organization acts. Like cowards, the BSA has taken the easy road of bigotry. Ignoring what it means to be a moral man they pass judgment on others based, not on who they are, or what they do, but based on what they were born as.
  
  The BSA Oath today is meaningless given the actions of the leadership of the BSA.
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:19pm
  “morally straight….”
  
  Whose morals?
  
  God’s morals.
  
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- TheGrtDcptn
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:40pm
  encinom wrote…
  
  “The only thing the BSA is teaching is how a morally bankrupt organization acts.”
  
  Isn’t that rich, someone who rallies for immoral sodomites calling the BS of A ‘morally bankrupt’
  
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- TEIN
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:47pm
  @Frodo like the post!!! BSA members are expected to have a high moral conduct. Admitting of being gay is admitting of practicing in gay sexual activities. A BSA member can be denied achievement by breaking laws, or engaging in sexual activities with heterosexual partners, so the BSA is consistence in its policy. The kid should have been told this and other boys joining need to understand what is expected of them and their choices and behaviors…
  
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- Mike204
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:26pm
  “On my honor, I will do my best…to keep myself…morally straight.” Homosexuality is the weakness of those who do not have confidence that they can be loved by a member of the opposite sex. It is lust over faith, gratification over love, desperation over courage, carnality over spirituality, all of which are the antithesis of Scouting.
  
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- KenInIL
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Denying a “Duty to God” will disqualify any scout from Eagle regardless of sexual orientation. For 12 years he has repeated the Cub Scout and Boy Scout oath each of which mentions a “Duty to God”. If he or his parents didn’t agree, why did he stay in the organization. BSA has fought big legal battles over the phrase and Girls Scouts has capitulated and dropped the phrase in their oath. BSA has made adjustments by sponsoring two “non-God” programs, Exploring and Learning for Life, so government entities could sponsor units.
  
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- StanO360
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:58pm
  Kid doesn’t care about the Eagle and everyone knows it. It’s a publicity stunt.
  
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- SHOTGUN_CHUCK
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 4:31pm
  @encinom I’ve seen a lot of this behavior from you, and it saddens me to think you’re actually being serious. It takes a committed liberal democrat to blatantly twist the facts and lie through your teeth to discredit an organization you dislike, then accuse everyone else of being an intolerant bigot. The window’s over there, that’s a mirror you’re looking in.
  
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- cosette
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 7:12pm
  @Encinom…. The jury is still out on the question of the cause of homosexuality. Although I must admit I may have missed any recent study proving your claim is 100% accurate. If you can, please cite your source, I would be interested in reading it.
  
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- jaylew
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 8:40pm
  Using Encinom’s own “born as” theoretical pontifications above and below…..then anyone should be allowed in the Boy Scouts…..because gosh after all….Charles Manson….Ted Bundy and even John Wayne Gacy were “born as” Americans. Oh wait Encinom wasn’t referring to Americans in his “born as” theorem…he was referring to the notion that a gay man should not be held to any level of self control and therefore gets a free pass on acting out on behaviors that clearly his own body was not designed to do or accommodate….because after all the gay man was “born as” such. The empirical evidence of that “born as” theory is no less real or fake when it come to Charles Manson than it is a gay thing….and so what say you Encinom the eternal defender of dysfunction and contrarianism?
  Is a person ever held to any level of self control and personal responsibility? Should the Girl Scouts allow Trannies to join them then? Your thoughts and ideas as well as most liberal mind f–A rt thinking …it never builds anything up…..it only destroys and brings things apart and down. That’s why liberalism needs destroyed….because it is in itself a destroyer.
  
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- Independent4233
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 7:23am
  encinom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:45am
  “Nothing in the Boy Scout Oat, justifies the BSA’s overt bigotry and their anti-American stance against fellow Americans”
  
  What you want to convey as overt bigotry is nothing more than maintaining policies that prevent disease-ridden homosexuals from infecting our chilodren.
  
  Homosexuals are not only afflicted with mental illness, they carry an abundance of various germs and viruses which are the result of engaging in unnatural sexual practices that utilize parts of the body that are designed SOLELY for eliminating waste.
  
  As just ONE example, 85% of ALL syphilis cases are within the homosexual community. There are many others.
  
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- cosette
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  Encinom… Since it’s almost 2 days since I requested your source and you have yet to produce it I will assume you have no source. I will note this occurrence and remind readers of any future posts in which you fabricate stats. You have lost any shred of credibility you may have had.
  
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justangry
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:25am
Billy does have a thing for gay Boy Scouts.

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- woodyee
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:33am
  Nice! You caught it, too! I just read and responded to Tex, below. He nailed Hallowell.
  
  Good morning, Just!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:41am
  LOL Yeah, and Tex nailed it too.
  
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crazyrightwingmom
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:25am
Something is not being told in this. It is not his feelings that are causing this, but he is obviously being antagonistic toward the scout movement in some way.
I know “gay” scouts who don’t advertise it, and leaders who were formerly “gay” but manage their feelings and are married.
This is not the whole story.

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- Joey8
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 1:41pm
  I think it has to do with what they mean by “I’m gay”. Does it mean you are attracted to the same sex or does it mean you are engaging in immoral acts with the same sex? I would think that a heterosexual scout could be denied awards for engaging in immoral acts with the opposite sex (were dealing with teenagers, not married). This is all assuming that “morally straight” means no sex outside of marriage.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 2:04pm
  Joey: Good points. It’s all about if you have the feelings or advertise them and act on them. And I’m sure straight scouts have had sex, but they probably don’t advertise it.
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 3:20pm
  “Joey: Good points. It’s all about if you have the feelings or advertise them and act on them. And I’m sure straight scouts have had sex, but they probably don’t advertise it.”
  
  Don’t think that he’s advertising it either. A person saying he or she is gay does not mean that they are advertising their sex life any more than a straight person who says they are straight or that they have a “crush” on some girl or something. Maybe you already knew that but I see the “advertising” comments way too often, and it’s a huge double standard.
  
  And those married gays, they’re either still gay or they weren’t gay to begin with. Or they are bisexual, which exists, this one study proved it conclusively.
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 12:28pm
  Chatikh
  
  Your argument does not hold.
  
  Being ‘gay’ (practicing or not) is immoral; being ‘hetero’ (practicing only in marriage) is not. This kid admitted to being of a deviant mindset; end of story.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 12:59pm
  Chatkah: You need to learn more about same-gender attraction. Please go to NARTH.org. Gays can marry and the feelings fade. Just as alcoholics are always alcoholics but don’t drink. You are propagating a myth of the gay activists that they did not really have those feelings (try asking them!) and that there is no change. Life is all about change…everyday!
  
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tellin_you_now
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:25am
This article doesn’t state that he actually filled all the requirements. It does say that “his homosexuality is preventing him from participating in the BSA”. Doing the Eagle service project is not enough. If he didn’t participate enough to do all the requirements it becomes a completely different issue. There is no way he can demand he get the award if he didn’t finish the requirements.

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- blarman
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:14am
  Quite true. The Eagle Service Project is only one of the requirements necessary to achieve the rank of Eagle Scout. You must also collect the requisite Merit Badges, describe the parts of the Scout badge and what they represent, and you must recite and pledge to live by the Scout Oath, Law and Motto (“Be Prepared!”). All of these things are done before an Eagle Board of Review, and those individuals decide whether or not all the requirements have been met to achieve the rank of Eagle Scout.
  
  Usually, if you can do all these things, the Board will recommend you to the National Scouting Association to receive the award. The choice this young man made to openly defy his support for the Scout Oath disqualifies him from any further participation in the Boy Scouts of America – either as a Scout or a Leader. Thus he has chosen to disqualify himself.
  
  - a proud Eagle Scout
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:34am
  You only do the Eagle project AFTER you have completed all your badges required.
  
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- Perkins
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:47am
  @ Crazy
  
  Not true. The Eagle project can be completed anytime after the scout achieves life rank.
  
  Most of my fellow Eagles from my troop completed a couple merit badges after their project.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:51am
  Perkins: I guess what I was saying was that a certain amount of required badges must be completed before the project…not that they can’t do others later. Is that true?
  
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- ThinkThenDo
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:05am
  @Crazy
  Some of the required merit badges are required to advance from rank to rank, long before prepping for the Eagle rank. Once the rank of Life is achieved, they can do the Eagle project, so the project could actually be the very 1st they they do at that point, and all of the remaining merit badges and such can be earned after doing the project.
  
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biffo
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:23am
To OBEY the LAW of the Pack..

This boy is being used to break down this organization. These homosexual activists are only useful idiots for the democratic plan to destroy the family, religion. free speech, America. Follow the rules or get out. These homosexual abusers could care less about this boy, and his mother is guilty of the worse kind of abuse.

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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:47am
  Oh really? He is 18 years old and has been a Scout since he was 6 years old. I hardly think that he knew he was gay when he joined the Scouts. Did the BS of America expect him to quit once he realized he was gay? Or, maybe they just wanted him to keep him mouth shut about it (you know, like Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell). The BS of America are doing themselves and their members a huge disservice by not allowing gays to openly be members of their organization. Although I really wanted to let my son join the Scouts, I thought about how I was going to explain to him when he got older how I knowingly let him join an organization that discriminated against a population of society. Instead, I let him join another organization that fully embraces all people, and he has grown to be a very accepting and tolerant young man. This is what America is all about – Inclusion, not Exclusion.
  
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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:56am
  So Sorrry: Yes, he didn’t know when he was 6. People have to realize that having feelings and acting on them are two different things.
  But upholding standards does not make them a bad organization, and they have helped millions of boys become men, so don’t destroy them.
  I know whereof I speak…my “gay” Eagle son.
  
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- VRW Conspirator
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:56am
  “On my honor, I will do my best
  To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
  To help other people at all times;
  To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.” Boy Scout Oath
  
  “I, (say your name), promise
  to DO MY BEST
  To do my DUTY to GOD
  And my Country
  To HELP other people, and
  To OBEY the LAW of the Pack” Cub Scout Oath
  
  For 12 years this boy has had to raise his right hand and recite this. He knows that it means. Yes there are many community service oriented merit badges and patches and work projects you must do. BUT, the “morally straight” phrase in the Boy Scout Oath applies to behavior – sexual or otherwise. IF this boy has just kept his mouth shut until after his Eagle Council, he would have his Eagle. His Scout Master obviously knew and rightly decided to no say anything as long as the boy did not publicly announce.
  From the jest of the article, it seems the boy took it upon himself to announce that he was gay not just wink wink nudge nudge let the Scout Master know but keep it quiet. Once he came out of the closet publicly to the entire Troop and Eagle Council…he was DONE!! Especially when he also came out AGAINST the “duty to God” part of the oath as well. He basically was denied his Eagle because for the last 12 years, or since he thought himself gay, he has been LYING when taking his oath! LYING is cause for removal from the Troop!
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:59am
  SOSORRYFORYOU, I’m sorry, but that is like saying that a young man growing up in this country did not know he was a thief before he became one….you get the rest of the picture. The kid still has to follow the rules or he is out.
  
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- Kenszen
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:01am
  @Sosorryforyou No, America is about being able to practice your beliefs. This young man knew, since he has been been a scout since a young age, the BSA’s position on this issue. Being homosexual and remaining in the BSA was his choice. Your generalization of “inclusion, not exclusion” is faulty, for that could be extended to so many situations that we as a society would not accept. He has a right to his homosexuality, but the BSA has a right to enforce its beliefs. Ryan and his mother know this–they just want to get their way.
  
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- YAHUSHUAHRULES
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:21am
  You got that right. This young man is the victim of the agenda to turn America to a godless, amoral, relativistic, hedonistic society where everything is acceptable but morality and decency. With the ultimate goal of corrupting and dumbing down the populace so not only do they want big government but they will not survive without cradle to grave government care. Raising a generation so dumb they can’t govern themselves, they can’t critically think, they can’t serve on juries competently and can’t vote intelligently. Useful idiots for the state – A complicit media, captured Hollywood and forcing normalization of homosexuality and all manner of perversion, war against Judeo/Christian values, pledging allegiance to the earth rather then the flag of the US and the Republic for which it stands, environmentalism a tool of totalitarianism, a corrupt, amoral, godless generation and its not their children – for the most part they abort theirs – its co-oped indoctrinated “our” children and much more
  
  AGENDA: GRINDING AMERICA DOWN. get it. watch it. share it the hour is late and darkness closing in from all sides…
  so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-dkKoJ3kT8
  
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- demsrtraitors
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:23am
  you are 100 percent correct. and why do gays always feel the need to tell others they have sex with the same sex? And the Scouts are a private organization so if you don’t meet the standards set you don’t belong.
  
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- NRAmedic23
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 12:26pm
  I am going to join a Muslim group and then tell them I am Catholic. At that point, I am going to sue them for saying I can’t be a member because I do not agree with their rules. LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 12:48pm
  Sosorryforyou -
  
  Have you, for just a moment, thought about the stupidity of your argument? I am sure there are a lot of pedophiles that didn’t realize such until after childhood, and I know of plenty of organizations that forbid any open display of this type in their membership. I am also sure there are plenty of arguments that can be made that these people were indeed “born that way”. How does your “Inclusion, not Exclusion” work now?
  
  I feel sorry for your son. Seriously.
  
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Skippy_John_Jones
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:22am
Suck it up, buttercup. You knew their stance on all things gay when you joined, and if you didn’t, then Mommy Dearest should have. It’s not like it’s a secret or anything. BTW, where’s your dad? Is he proud of your choice?

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- justangry
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:32am
  Of course his father isn’t proud of his choice. He probably still loves his kid. The problem with the rest of your statement is that he probably hadn’t reached puberty when he joined the scouts. Making his sexuality public was nothing but a publicity stunt to smear the scouts. Like you said their policy isn’t a great big secret.
  
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- Sosorryforyou
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:52am
  He was 6 years old when he joined the Scouts. At that age, he wouldn’t have know whether or not he was Gay. What was he suppose to do when he realized this? Quit?! The Boy Scouts of America needs to change because they are doing themselves and their members a HUGE disservice by being so exclusive based solely upon someone’s sexual preference.
  
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- Kenszen
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:03am
  @Sosorry… No, the BSA is not doing itself a disservice. They would be doing themselves a disservice if they backed down from their core beliefs.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:09am
  SOSORRYFORYOU, The homosexual attacks by scout leaders started to rear it’s ugly head more and more back in the ’70s and ’80s. The Scouts had to take some drastic measures and unlike the Catholic Church when caught up in the same mess, ruled that known homosexuals would not be allowed in the organization. The Boy Scouts was being sued almost out of existence back then because of the sexual attacks on young boys. At Scout camps where hardened shelters are erected, they install what are called Adirondacks. These are small buildings with four built in bunks with two on each side. The entire front is a canvas curtain that is weighted in spots. They cannot have enclosed structures where a scout can be locked in available to his attacker. All new cabins and larger structures must have doors that open outwards only and with lock sets that can open from within at all times. Older structures are still being retro-fitted. I’ve helped install some of them. This is what homosexuality has done to scouting.
  
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- Skippy_John_Jones
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:16am
  SoSorry, but aren’t gays “born that way” and that they’ve always been gay since birth? Isn’t that what gays say, “Oh, I’ve always known I was gay.” If that’s the case, then even at such a young age, he may very well have known he liked boys. They can’t have it both ways. Mom probably knew he had a preference, too.
  
  When he realized that his preference of sexual partners was incompatible with the Scouts, he had a choice. He knew their stance on homosexuality and he chose to parade it around anyway. He should have quit. Now he’s just being a whiny wuss because he’s not getting a prize from a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION that has every right to uphold its values. Why don’t the gays form their own private scouting organization and just leave this institution alone? Why do they have to go and screw everything up for everybody else? Or is more fun for them to make a scene anytime someone doesn’t approve of their deviant sex choices?
  
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Tex Expatriate
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:21am
Young Ryan did not have to open his yap about his homosexuality. Clearly the scoutmaster was going along with “don’t ask, don’t tell,” so why did young Ryan decide to make a big deal out of being homosexual? Hmmm! May I suggest, for the political benefits.

By the way, The Boy Scouts of America is not so much known “for its stance on homosexuality” as it is for being morally straight and a great learning organization for boys and young men.

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- woodyee
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:32am
  DANG RIGHT, Tex!! I wish I had caught that. It’s no surprise coming from Billy Hallowell; in fact there are a few Blaze writers that like to screw facts with word games…
  
  Billy Hallowell writes – “The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is known for its controversial stance on homosexuality.”
  
  Tex says – “By the way, The Boy Scouts of America is not so much known “for its stance on homosexuality” as it is for being morally straight and a great learning organization for boys and young men.”
  
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- Ruckus_Tom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:42am
  Exactly, Sounds like little boy Ryan is using and being used to promote his lifestyle choice that he and his supporters decided to make public.
  
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- Tarantulas
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:28am
  The BSA stance on homosexuality is not “controversial.”
  
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- jaylew
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 8:45pm
  yep….he opened his mouth too much methinks.
  
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Strider26
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:20am
“The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is known for its controversial stance on homosexuality.”

That is the sad part. That not accepting homosexuality as normal is now controversial. When did our country reach that tipping point?

Look at ancient Greece and Rome. When homosexuality became accepted and rampant was when they declined and disintegrated. It is the last sign of a dying society.

Scripture says in the last days they will call evil good and good evil. Abortion is choice, gay is normal, next LAMBDA will be an acceptable baby sitting service.

This is all about a parent trying to destroy the integrity of one of the last organizations that takes a biblical stance.

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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:31am
  What’s that old saying about those not knowing their history…? These people are looking for a repeat, that’s for sure.
  
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- jaylew
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 8:53pm
  not nitpicking to be a jerk but i think its NMBLA …oh wait we’re both right…. LAMBDA is an outfit that advocates for all homosexuals……maybe even pedophilic ones.
  
  Only in 2012 can Boy Scouts no longer be about knot tying, community service, jamborees and strating fires with a piece of steel and flint. Liberals have turned even the Boy Scout organization into something involving genitalia and what goes where and when….it really is pathetic. Is there one single liberal cause that is not destructive?
  
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- 912network
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 7:49pm
  SHAME ON BILLY HALLOWELL! Refusing to bow to homosexual sodomy activist groups (anti-Christian, anti-Jewish hate groups) who despise Christianity and Christians’ First Amendment right to free speech, and to the free exercise of religion, and are doing their best to limit Christianity’s influence in America today, is NOT CONTROVERSIAL, UNLESS YOU’RE AN ANGRY HOMOSEXUAL, unless YOU HATE those of us who believe the Holy Bible to be the word of God.
  
  TEX EXPATRIATE is absolutely correct when he says:
  
  “By the way, The Boy Scouts of America is not so much known “for its stance on homosexuality” as it is for being morally straight and a great learning organization for boys and young men.”
  
  And Billy Hallowell’s anti-Christian, pro-Homosexual activist propaganda is getting pretty nauseating. Will you please, Mr. Halowell, stop using The Blaze to promote an anti-Christian hate agenda, promoting homosexual sodomy as ‘normal,’ and adhering to Christianity, Judaism, or any other traditional religion as somehow ‘controversial?’
  
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mcsledge
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:20am
The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) is known for its controversial stance on homosexuality.

There is nothing controversial about it. A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.

The BSA backs natural law and homosexuality is a violation of that law. Natural law promotes life, creation, procreation, continuation of the species, etc. Nothing in the act of homosexuality promotes these characteristics.

The only thing that is controversial is that people accept a perversion as an appropriate act.

If you think people are offended now, wait till they cower before God knowing their guilt at Judgement Day. We all have our faults and imperfections. No one is perfect. However, certain acts are much more grevious in the eyes of God than others. And, no scout can stand up and proclaim to rever God (i.e., Reverent) when Gods moral law has been violated (i.e., thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination; and, if ye love me, keep my commandments).

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- 00100111
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:01am
  I’m gonna have to correct you a little bit. You say that some acts are more grievous in the eyes of God than others. I don’t know where you got that idea, but the only sin that is unforgivable is refusing to accept Christ, and that’s because a person makes the choice to not accept Him, and at that point He cannot save you because you refused his help. He wants to, but you said “no thanks.” All sin is sin, and all sin is equal in the eyes of God. Stop living in the Old Testament. God forgives all sin through Christ who saved us, there aren’t some sins where God says “Oh, nevermind you’re still going to Hell.” We are called to “Go and sin no more” but that doesn’t mean if you still sin (and you WILL still sin), that your salvation is rescinded. Of course we don’t know what this kid’s beliefs are, but it is not yours to assume or judge.
  
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- Kenszen
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:05am
  No, I agree with McSledge.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:40am
  @00100111010010001010001 or whatever binary number that is
  
  There are certain sins that weigh heavier:
  
  Proverbs Chp. 16
  
  16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
  
  17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
  
  18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
  
  19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 1:27pm
  39 (or 00100111 for short) -
  
  Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to assume or judge. Why this mindset is still being propagated is beyond me.
  
  If we are not to judge, then I guess we all should have stayed home when Hitler was stomping through Europe. If we are not to judge, what in the world do we have courts for? If we are not to judge, why did Jethro advise Moses to appoint lower judges and leave the big cases for himself?
  
  The Bible clearly tells us to judge, but to first take the plank out of our own eye ‘before’ we attempt take the speck from our brother’s, and that we will be judged by the same measure that we judge others. So don’t be overly harsh.
  
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paperpushermj
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:19am
It’s an honor / character thing. He was honor bound to remove himself from the program when he realized he was Gay. He did not, he continued knowing he was out of step with the programs rules and bylaws.Honor and character are the foundation for the Scouts

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toiletclogga
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:18am
If the kid has done the work he needs to be recognized for that work. If he has done the work, and is using it as a platform to promote his “gayness” or the gay lifestyle; no way does he deserve to be recognized. Much like a priest in the Catholic church, he can be gay, however, he cannot live the gay lifestyle. If the boy has abstained, I see no problem with him becoming an Eagle Scout. Something tells me there is more to this story than what has been writtten.

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- crazyrightwingmom
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:27am
  That is exactly correct! It is what he does with it that counts.
  
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- mstooge
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 3:45pm
  The problem is that he didn’t live according to the Oath and Law. “A Scout is Reverent.” “…duty to God…” One of the requirements to advance to the next rank is to demonstrate that the Scout has lived by the Oath and Law. When he denounces God, he doesn’t fulfill this requirement.
  
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:18am
I’m sick of these people trying to gut our society from the inside out.
Its so obvious that this was their intent full well knowing ,he was
Pushing this Homosexual agenda. They are not allowed to counsel
gays kids in California ,but they will turn right around and try to undermine
something that is good and wholesome. It just makes me sick. This attack
on our institutions have to be stopped . What’s next dictating to churches…?

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Thinman
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:09am
Where is dad in all this? Mom’s orientation would be what, lesbian?

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:02am
  I wondered about his father myself. He’s obviously not in the picture.
  
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:09am
So, why do thes people feel compelled to advertise that they lie to take it up the waZoo ? Nobody would ever know if they didn’t have a damn parade every two weeks !!!

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- SevenWhite7
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:25am
  Exactly
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:08am
Scouting is a faith based organization and was started that way in England, and as the U.S. adopted it. Just as we have to follow the laws of this nation, members agree to follow the rules of the organization. They do not have the right to make the organization as a whole bend to the desires of the few.
Sexuality in any form has nothing to do with scouting, and even heterosexual scout who shoots his mouth off about the girls that he has had relations with, will likely find himself outside looking in. Had this kid kept his mouth closed and maintained some quiet dignity he would have had no problem earning his Eagle, and staying in the scouts. That is the problem with so many gays, they just have to live their lives vicariously through their sexuality, and being so boisterous about it.

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lilmrsellis
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:05am
Was it because he’s gay or because he objected to “Duty to God”? I can TOTALLY agree with not bestowing their highest honor on someone in opposition to a key tenant, but if its that he’s gay, that’s murkier. I 100% agree for leaders, but members are still figuring themselves out. Even as I’m commenting, I’m changing my mind, lol. Tough one for a religious organization.

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- Rick494
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:55am
  I question if he is “sexually active”. If not, then it doesn’t matter if he has homosexual or heterosexual feelings. My guess it is more about his atheism, and that is a violation of his oath to his duty to god.
  
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kickagrandma
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:05am
Sorry, son. You made your choice. You chose wrong. It cost you now, and it will cost you eternally which is worse. Be looking for THE ANSWER. HE IS a breath away.

GOD BLESS YOU and HELP you find HIM.

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- hjbones
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:22am
  I don’t agree personally with being homosexual, but I must ask this question: Who are you to judge someone’s eternal salvation?
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:24am
  Amen.
  
  Man has his agency, but he doesn’t get to define the consequences to his choices. This young man knew very well BSA’s position on homosexuality. You can’t dance with the devil (i.e., commit acts promoted by the devil) and then claim to be serving God. It just doesn’t work that way.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:06am
  Where does it say he committed acts? We don’t know if he is sexually active. Feelings are feelings, if he abstained and/or never acted on them then it really doesn’t matter. As far as his salvation, that is between him and God.
  
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- woodyee
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:27am
  HJBONES –
  
  Kickagrandma isn’t judging someone’s eternal salvation – just merely pointing out the consequences of abhorrent behavior. Along those lines, we are right and just to judge the earthly behavior of others and ourselves. Consequences after death are up to God.
  
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- hjbones
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:45am
  @Woodyee
  She said that his decision would cost him eternally. I’m not saying that God tolerates homosexuality, but we’re all sent to this earth with different struggles and weaknesses. God knows that. God designed it that way. She’s basically saying that his homosexuality means he’s going to hell. It’s not the place of man to judge whether or not the consequence of someone’s actions means eternal damnation. That’s for God and God alone. You can judge whether or not a person is someone you should spend a lot of time with, but to say that someone’s weakness will “cost them eternally” is a very bold statement, and it may or may not be true. That’s for God to determine. The best thing we can do for people like that is to love them. That’s what we are told to do.
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 11:46am
  @HJBONES
  
  1 Corinthians Chp. 5
  
  11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
  
  You don’t have to read the Bible long to find numerous verses in the NT and OT telling God’s people to warn others of the coming judgment. That’s why most of the OT prophets were stoned. Sorry, it’s in the Bible whether you like it or not. You can warn in a loving way but don’t forget, Jesus asked the Pharisees how they were going to flee the wrath of God. Jesus spoke about hell over 3 times as much as He did heaven.
  
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HOOT_OWL
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:04am
What part of morally straight does he not get…?
He’s already in the perverts of America club ..
Quit trying to change what’s wholesome ..!

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- HOOT_OWL
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:10am
  Clarification:
  ‘Perverts of America Club‘= Homosexual Community.
  
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Johnsun3
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:03am
He must have forgotten the very first thing they teach you when becoming a Tiger Cub.
I, (say your name), promise
to DO MY BEST
To do my DUTY to GOD
And my Country
To HELP other people, and
To OBEY the LAW of the Pack

Duty to God and Obey the Law of the Pack must be out the window now.

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carl_in_ohio
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:02am
if you knew the organization’s view on homosexuality, why did you join (or stay)?
And then after staying, you expect the Boy Scouts to change their views to fit YOUR NEEDS??

Sorry, they have a RIGHT to their opinion and organizational view of faith.
Find an organization that expects. please stop trying to change everyone’s else preferences to fit your needs.

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- imsteph
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:07am
  exactly. this is a ploy.
  if you do not agree to the precepts of an organization why would you join it?
  it would be akin to me joining the democratic party while believing in God, the sanctity of life, free will and not mob thuggery—just not happening!
  
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- Cavallo
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:26am
  Maybe he can start or join a Gay Scouting group? Although I shudder to think of what their uniform might look like.
  
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sta
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:02am
The rules of this PRIVATE organization is “no gays”. The kid should have been told this a long time ago.

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- Fred762
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:11am
  Yup! As an Assistant Scoutmaster for 12+ years “back when” and a dad who had 2 boys go thru his Troop and become Eagle Scouts, I can say this from personal experience: A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, CLEAN and REVERENT.
  
  1. This child should have been dropped from the ranks early.
  
  2. If a person wishes to pursue the homosexual (it is NOT “gay”) lifestyle..well so be it. That is between him and God, to whom he will later answer.
  
  3. The Scouts is a PRIVATE org and should have the RIGHT to accept whom they please….as do..say..The Freemasons…for one example.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:11am
  Having been a scout leader from the early ’90s to only a short time ago, I’m really certain that he and his parents knew that from the very first day.
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on October 6, 2012 at 6:05pm
  And in the past the rules of this “private organization” stated ‘no mixed race troops’. Is that OK with you, as well?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 4:56pm
  The Judge posted that this morning. It’s great everyone. You should really check it out if you hate the ACA.
  
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Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:00am
Rules are rules and the Scoutmaster knew that. HE is the person that should be taking the heat, by deceiving this boy and leading him on.

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- carl_in_ohio
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:07am
  and what would the scout master do? ask his scout his sexual orientation??
  in our legal world, he would have been sued!
  heck, the military can’t even question a soldier’s sexual orientation!
  
  the Boy Scouts have a right to their own views, and I’m sure they are publicly known.
  
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- hammer31
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:12am
  How is it deceiving the boy? Each meeting, when I was in scouts (made Eagle), we repeated the pledge which included the phrase “morally straight”. If the kid was confused then his parents or teachers are to blame by not comprehending basic English.
  
  Bottom line is that if you want to advance in any organization, you have to toe the line or leave.
  
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- KeeppushingandIgoGalt
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:13am
  Read the statement from BSA again. The scout recently went to the scoutmaster and the Eagle scout counselor and notified them that he does not meet their requirements for membership, and that he doesn’t agree with their position on faith. He forced their hand. He made a tactical error, and he is learning a valuable lesson.
  
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- KeeppushingandIgoGalt
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 9:17am
  Read the statement from the BSA again. The scout recently told the scoutmaster and the Eagle Scout counselor that he didn’t meet their membership requirements and he didn’t agree with a key part of their teachings. He forced their hand, and they responded. Lesson learned scout.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 5, 2012 at 10:13am
  “Interestingly, Ryan claims that his scoutmaster has known about his sexual orientation for quite some time. In fact, he says that it was a point of discussion and that the local leader told him that they would “get by the gay thing.”
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  Hey, I’m just going by what the boy said, he could be lying, but other people seemed to have known the boy was gay, for quite a while. How the scoutmaster didn’t know, maybe he doesn’t live in the same community? Did the scoutmaster NEVER have discussions with the mother? She seems to be out-spoken about her son’s gayness, there’s no doubt it has come up before, IMO.
  
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Gonzo
Posted on October 5, 2012 at 8:59am
“I’m so disappointed and confused,” I’ll second that Ryan. I wouldn’t raise a kid San Francisco for all the money in the world.

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