SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — San Francisco’s new Roman Catholic archbishop made self-deprecating jokes about his recent drunken-driving arrest during his formal installation ceremony, which came just days after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of reckless driving.
But Archbishop Salvatore Joseph Cordileone, a strong supporter of California’s ban on same-sex marriage, did not refer to the distress his appointment has aroused in this gay-friendly city and mentioned marriage only obliquely Thursday.

Salvatore J. Cordileone, right, waits to be introduced during a ceremony to install him as the new archbishop of San Francisco at the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption in San Francisco, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez, Pool)
Amid heavy security and the splendor of his faith’s most sacred rites, Cordileone told an audience of more than 2,000 invited guests at St. Mary’s Cathedral he was grateful for the support he had received from people of different religious and political viewpoints following the Aug. 25 arrest in his home town of San Diego.
“I know in my life God has always had a way of putting me in my place. I would say, though, that in the latest episode of my life God has outdone himself,” Cordileone said with a chuckle as he delivered his first homily as archbishop.
The 56-year-old priest, the second-youngest U.S. archbishop, went on to say he did not know “if it’s theologically correct to say God has a way of making himself known in this way,” and asked for the indulgence of other high-ranking church leaders in the audience.
Cordileone had been scheduled to appear in court on a misdemeanor charge of driving under the influence next Tuesday. Court records show he pleaded guilty on Monday to a reduced charge of reckless driving, an option frequently given to first-time DUI offenders, said Gina Coburn, a spokeswoman for the San Diego City Attorney.

Salvatore J. Cordileone stands during prayer during a ceremony to install him as the new archbishop of San Francisco at the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption in San Francisco, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012. (AP)
The standard sentence for reckless driving is three years’ probation and a $1,120 fine, Coburn said.
Cordileone’s arrest came after he was stopped at a police checkpoint near San Diego State University. His mother and a visiting priest from Germany were with him in the car he was driving. He said at the time that he had consumed some alcohol while having dinner with friends then decided to drive his mother home.
As Cordileone spoke during Thursday’s mass, about three dozen gay rights advocates gathered outside the cathedral to protest his induction opposite a much larger group singing hymns of welcome for the new archbishop.
Cordileone was one of the early engineers of California’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage in 2008, and since 2011 has chaired the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ subcommittee charged with opposing efforts to legalize gay unions.
Several members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a performing arts troupe of men dressed in nuns’ habits, showed up to highlight Cordileone’s connection to the “dogma of bullying” they said the same-sex marriage ban represents.
“Silly Sally, you have no power here!” they chanted.
Meanwhile, interfaith tensions over the marriage issue threatened to mar Cordileone’s day. The Rev. Marc Andrus, the Episcopal bishop for Northern California and a strong same-sex marriage supporter, reported that he was snubbed when he showed up for the cathedral service, which came three days after Andrus had written an open letter offering a spiritual home to any Catholics who felt disowned by the archbishop’s views.

Salvatore J. Cordileone gives a blessing sing during a ceremony to install him as the new archbishop of San Francisco at the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption in San Francisco, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012. AP
Andrus said he was taken to a basement room with other invited guests, then left waiting as ushers showed everyone but him to their seats in the sanctuary, Joseph Mathews, an Episcopal spokesman said. He was still waiting when the mass had started, so he left, Mathews said.
San Francisco Archdiocese spokesman George Wesolek chalked it up to a misunderstanding. Andrus had arrived late and missed the procession of interfaith clergy who were to be seated up front. Church staff were looking for an opportunity to bring the bishop in without disrupting the service, according to Wesolek. When they went to retrieve him, he had already left.
“We had no intention of excluding him at all,” Wesolek said. “If he felt like because of the wait that was insulting to him, we certainly will apologize.”
Pope Benedict XVI’s selected Cordileone on July 27 to replace retiring Archbishop George Niederauer. Opposition to same sex marriage has emerged as a principal theme of Benedict’s papacy. In March, he urged visiting U.S .bishops to beef up their teaching about the evils of premarital sex and cohabitation, and denounced what he called the “powerful” gay marriage lobby in America.
The appointment letter the pope wrote appointing Cordileone was read aloud at the installation mass. In it, Benedict said he appealed to the archbishop’s parishioners “to give you a warm welcome and to remain in communion with you.”
Thursday was the feast day of San Francisco’s patron saint, St. Francis of Assisi, and the archbishop said that St. Francis, too, lived during a time of spiritual unrest, “even to the point of denigrating marriage on the basis that it was purely a material reality.”

























































































































Tagudinian
Oct. 10, 2012 at 10:57amThe Archbishop, like the apostle Peter, was allowed to make a mistake so that he always remembers to be more tolerant and forgiving of other sinners. God never wastes a move. I am certain Archbishop Cordileone needed this reminder of his own brokenness as he takes over the archdiocese as its shepherd. Praise be to God.
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Possessor
Oct. 8, 2012 at 12:29am“Pronouncements by a Pope or Catholic tradition started 900 years ago is not Biblical. The Bible was finally completed by the Apostle John in 95 AD and is the only true foundation of how to live the Christian life. Anything else is man-made just like how the apostate ancient Jewish leaders tried to burden the Jewish people with made-up man-made rules and regulations to manipulate and subjugate the people”.
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Immaculate Conception pronouncement, right in the Bible, Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost. Jesus talked with Moses on top of a mountain, thus the canonization of dead people.
The word Genius doesn’t do JUSTICE to your infinite intelligence, or lack of.
Martin Luther COMMITTED adultery like it or not, Luther took a VOW to be a celibate Roman Catholic Monk, he broke it on his own authority ( tell that one to the IRS and NOT pay your income taxes on YOUR own authority, genius ). St. Jerome, like it or not, translated and put together the bible, you think genius, that Luther had the Intelligence to do that himself??? NOT, some dead guy beat Luther to it, 1200 yrs earlier who was canonized a Saint. If this was a court of law, like it or not, it would be a slam dunk victory for the Prosecution in convicting you of slander, libel, malfeasance, negligence. To think SOUND and Rationally, I really didn’t put much effort in refut
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Grand design
Oct. 7, 2012 at 7:56pmAnything goes in Frisco! No harm, no foul…
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:29amHave you erased John 14:6 from your Bible? IT’S ALL ABOUT JESUS! JESUS!
Catholics on the streets have NO personal relationship with JESUS! Do you?
Explain:
Year
437 -Proclamation that infant baptism regenerates the soul (really)
500 -The Mass instituted as a re-sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sins
593 -Declaration that sins need to be purged, established by Pope Gregory I
600 -Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints, and angels
786 -Worship of cross, images, and relics authorized
995 -Canonization of dead people as saints initiated by Pope John XV
1000 -Attendance at Mass made mandatory under the penalty of mortal sin
1079 -Celibacy of priesthood, decreed by Pope Gregory VII
1090 -Rosary, repetitious praying with beads, invented by Peter the Hermit
1184 -The Inquisition, instituted by the Council of Verona
1190 -The sale of Indulgences established to reduce time in Purgatory
1215 -Transubstantiation, proclaimed by Pope Innocent III
1215 -Confession of sins to priests, instituted by Pope Innocent III
1229 -Bible placed on Index of Forbidden Books in Toulouse
1438 -Purgatory elevated from doctrine to dogma by Council of Florence
1545 -Tradition claimed equal in authority with the Bible by the Council of Trent
1546 -Apocryphal Books declared cannon by Council of Trent
1854 -Immaculate Conception of Mary, proclaimed by Pope Pius IX
1870 -Infallibility of the Pope, proclaimed by Vatican Council
1922 -Virgin Mary proclaimed co-redeemer with Jesus by
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:35amContinued from below.
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Possessor
Oct. 8, 2012 at 12:51am1000 -Attendance at Mass made mandatory under the penalty of mortal sin
Easy one, man, is by nature, lazy, self-fish and self centered, and self absorbed, thus won’t go willingly.
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Let’s say YOUR father refuses to let YOU go to a baseball game with your friends. You ask your mother if she would talk with him into letting you go. somewhat the same concept. Think of the Saint’s and Angels as your Aunt, Uncles, big brother or sister WHO ACTUALLY have a close intimate, personal relationship with Christ Jesus, Himself. One cannot do any better than a mother and son intimate relationship. Because you had a lousy relationship with your mother and hate her, doesn’t give you the right to take it out on Christ Jesus and His Mother, The Blessed Virgin Mary.
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Possessor
Oct. 8, 2012 at 1:24am1215 -Confession of sins to priests, instituted by Pope Innocent III
This is a long one to explain. Jesus WHO is God in the Flesh, gave that SUPERNATURAL authority to the Apostles, and other followers. The Apostles who were left in charge, passed on that Supernatural authority on to other Catholic Priest’s, thus the present time. Evil always goes after the Roman Catholic Church, because of the SUPERNATURAL AUTHORITY given to the Church and Priest’s by Christ Jesus WHO is God in the Flesh. AS for the lousy Catholic’s and non-catholic’s, evil usually doesn’t go after them, cause, they somewhat own them, and controls them already.
If one were to seriously trace back to the roots of lawyer-client confidentiality, and doctor-patient, it can be traced back to the seal of the Roman Catholic Confessional.There was a Saint, St. john Neu[pom something, willingly accepted and was murdered for NOT revealing on what took place in the confessional. A lawful, legitimate ruler of a Country wanted to know what the Queen, his wife confessed, and St. John said NO!!!, and he was murdered for not revealing.
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catholicextremist
Oct. 6, 2012 at 10:57pmAt least we have a bishop who is willing to admit mistakes, not try to cover up (not that he had a choice with the media). Plus, you know what they say: never trust a man who doesn’t drink.
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amadan32
Oct. 6, 2012 at 6:57pmI live in Sf and yes -all fall short of the glory of God , funny how the sisters of perpetual indulgence are so upset by a DUI .Yet when the Sister inrupt people at Mass pushing there agenda its ok
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JimL
Oct. 5, 2012 at 10:45amwhy no blood test?
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thegreatcarnac
Oct. 5, 2012 at 10:40amThis bishop is anti-gay marriage. For that, I commend him. Driving intoxicated…..not so much.
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LondoMollari
Oct. 5, 2012 at 9:33pmAgreed.
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carl_in_ohio
Oct. 5, 2012 at 8:49amdrunk driving is hardly a laughing matter.
drunk drivers kill.
have you driven under the influence before?
Poor leadership skills.
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JRook
Oct. 5, 2012 at 10:44amAre you kidding. Do some research on how many liquor licenses in small towns across the US are owned by churches and ministers and then “leased” to bars and restaurants.
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LondoMollari
Oct. 5, 2012 at 9:31pmIf you read the article, it wasn’t like he was falling all over the place.
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Gonzo
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:46amAll have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That’s the whole point. Next.
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freddyjoe
Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:37pmAmen
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Robert Hawk
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:35amThe story started out with a DUI and moved to gay rights, that was a little confusing.
As for the DUI, the bishop did the right thing and took his licks on the chin. According to Hebrew doctrine (our Fathers law), he is supposed to obey local laws which do not stand against our Fathers law. As for the homosexuals, they will never break the Christian church away from Hebrew law. That was attempted in Sodom and later in other Empires such as Alexander and Rome, and every time it has failed. Our Father is emphatic concerning homosexuality… he hates it… period. Homosexuality is the only act of man which has ever brought our Father to this earth to destroy its participants (Sodom). The Catholic church is right to stand up against Homosexuality which our Father defines as an abomination. Those folks involved in homosexual perversion, need to read Romans chapter 1 and Revelation 21
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Chatikh
Oct. 5, 2012 at 8:12pmI thought paul made it so that the Hebrew laws don’t apply to Christians. Do they, or do they not? Shellfish, or no shellfish? Pork, or no pork? 50 shekels for fathers of rape victims and forced permanent marriage to his victim, or no shekels for fathers of rape victims and no forced marriage to the victim?
In reference to Sodom, Alexander, Rome, you forgot Japan (check your Japanese history). Also god forgot Japan too. Forgot to wipe Japan off the map.
Aaaaannd, you really need to read your bible. God has killed lots of people for sinning, and he wasn’t there for any of them, unless you count his omnipresence which a lot of people don’t, including you apparently.
Those who try to force their beliefs on others should read the statistics on the suicide rate of gay kids. And it’s not god who has their blood on his hands, it’s people like you.
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KingCanon
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:30amCatholicism, there’s just something about it that ain’t right. Maybe it’s the Biblical 180′s of their faith. Maybe it’s the alcohol. Maybe it’s just the primary lip service to the Bible. Maybe it’s those human “faith building” figments of their worship, but I tell ya…. something just ain’t right.
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Copper Catfish
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:35amWe still welcome you into our family of believers. I will pray for you.
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davecorkery
Oct. 5, 2012 at 2:00pmWhat’s not right is that they, and every other religious person, think that the words in their bible/koran/holy book were written by god. They weren’t. Not one word. Cause he can’t write. Cause he’s imaginary.
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greggo
Oct. 5, 2012 at 3:44pmSt. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen..
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KingCanon
Oct. 5, 2012 at 10:02pmMost Catholics I talk to have very little definite Bible knowledge. Lots of time in the church but little or no knowledge of God’s word. Oh they have a host of memorized prayers yet no holiness. Yes, I find that strange. Very strange indeed! Copper Catfish… what is your belief and how does it correspond to holiness? Greggo… are those memorized prayers really effective? You guys cannot deny, even though you will, your lack of Biblical knowledge. Most Catholics lack any understanding of Revelation at all. That is sad, very sad!
I will pray for both of you that God will open your eyes to His reality. I will also pray that your cross will not remain inside the church simply awaiting your return, but rather around your neck outside of the church on the mission field.
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John655
Oct. 6, 2012 at 12:40am@ KingCanon
So what do you want to know about the Bible?
How about John 6:54 Jesus confirming that he is indeed the Lamb of God who must be sacrificed and eaten for our salvation. Remember that in Jewish sacrfices the sacrafice had to be eaten.
How about Luke 22:19-20 Jesus confirming his real presence in the eucharist.
How about John 20: 21-23 Confession of sins
How about Acts 1:20 Apostolic succession
Shall I go on?
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KingCanon
Oct. 6, 2012 at 6:44amI know that I rub elbows with many Catholics and Romans 10:9 is NOT a familiar verse. In fact, not even in the mix. I know that 1 Timothy 2:5 means nothing to the Catholics that I meet. I know that tomorrows headlines are in the Bible today and the Catholics I come into contact with are clueless to it’s parallel of world events. I know that most Catholics outside of the church doors have no sense of holiness about them. In fact, the last bunch of Catholics I was around were bragging about going out to break a few commandments, which by the way, are different in your Bible than mine.
I know historically the leaders of the Catholic church have done everything possible to conceal the Bible from the parishioners. I know Matthew 23:29 means absolutely nothing to the Catholic faith. And my, isn’t that one a bold contrast against the Word.
Quote follows…
“Pronouncements by a Pope or Catholic tradition started 900 years ago is not Biblical. The Bible was finally completed by the Apostle John in 95 AD and is the only true foundation of how to live the Christian life. Anything else is man-made just like how the apostate ancient Jewish leaders tried to burden the Jewish people with made-up man-made rules and regulations to manipulate and subjugate the people”.
Shall I go on?
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John655
Oct. 6, 2012 at 6:45pmI’m sorry you’ve met catholics who do not take their faith seriously. They are as bad as the once saved always saved crowd who believe they can do anything they want because they’re saved. I noticed you did not comment on anyting I posted. I guess you just avoid anyting that disagrees with your faith. All the verses you cited are in my Bible and I know them. They in no way contrdict the catholic faith. You can’t take a verse like ROM 10:9 and ignore the rest of scipture like MAT 16:27 or MT 7:21., if you do that then you are making a Pope of yourself, saying, ” I know how to interpret scipture. It’s infalible.” I agree that scipture is infalible but what good is an infalible book wihtout an infalible interpreter. You go on to make historical claims that do not bear up to even a casual examination. First the Bible was compiled by the Catholic church. First by Mileto, Bishop of Sardis arouund 175 AD, then confirmed by St Irenaeus 185 AD then by Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea 325 AD and then when there was enough fuss about which books you be considered inspired Pope Damasus in 382 AD at the Counsil of Rome wrote a decree listing the 73 books of the OT and NT. Then the Counsil of Hippo in 393 AD approved the cannon, Also the Counsil of Carthage in 397 AD approved the cannon and finaly Pope St. Innocent I closed the cannon of the Bible in 405 AD. You can thank the Catholic Church for that Bible you own. And you can blame Martin Luther for the 7 books your Bible is missing.
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catholicextremist
Oct. 6, 2012 at 10:59pmWho do you think compiled and defined the Bible? The Catholic Church.
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KingCanon
Oct. 6, 2012 at 11:47pmThe only thing I would blame Martin Luther for is not converting soon enough to be more effective to the Great Commission and more understanding of grace!
John 6:54 … Jesus’ point was an analogy that has spiritual, rather than literal, significance: just as eating and drinking are necessary for physical life, so also is belief in His sacrificial death on the cross necessary for eternal life. the eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood metaphorically symbolize the need for accepting Jesus’ cross work. For the Jews, however, a crucified Messiah was unthinkable. Once again, the Jews in their willful and judicial blindness, could not see the real spiritual significance and truth behind Jesus’ statements. Moreover, Jesus’ reference here to eating and drinking was not referring to the ordinance of communion for two significant reasons: 1) communion had not been instituted yet, and 2) if Jesus was referring to communion, then the passage would teach that anyone partaking of communion would receive eternal life.
Luke 22: 19-20 No eucharistic miracle of transubstantiation was implied, nor could the disciples have missed the symbolic intent of His statement, for His actual body-yet unbroken-was before their very eyes. His statement “this is my body” could not have been taken in any literal sense by the disciples present that evening.
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 12:33amLuke 20: 21-23 These verses do not give authority to anyone to forgive sins. Jesus was saying that the believer can boldly declare the certainty of a sinner’s forgiveness by the Father because of the work of His Son if that sinner has repented and believed the gospel.
Apostolic succession, derived from Christ, a Jew. The Roman Catholic Church claims that Peter is the rock that the church is built on. You say that Peter is the first Pope who stands in the place of Christ as the Vicar of Christ. The lineage through which the present Pope received authority. Today, the Pope is still the rock that the Roman Catholic Church claims to be built upon. The Roman Catholic Church declares, “that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Pope.” Pope Pius IX said about himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life”. By the office of the Pope, the Roman Catholic Church denies Jesus His rightful place as the foundation of the true church.
And you are OK with this bold claim that so definitely cuts against the grain of what the Bible actually says? Simply and sincerely… what a hijacking!
The use of the Greek word petra is a large immovable mass of rock not an individual. Christ is the rock!
Peter was the successor. He was no Pope. Just a sinner saved by grace that led others to Christ.
I ask… Are you leading others to Christ or simply a ritual held inside a cathedral?
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 12:47amCatholicextremist… whom do you think wrote the original Word… Catholics? How many different ways is the constitution defined these days? Several? I thank my Lord and Savior for Martin Luther! He detoured a hijacking and saved a world that was at death’s door thanks TO Catholicism. I am convinced God was in those details simply and sincerely to retrieve HIS WORD!
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 2:55amLook at all the infalibale declartions of Pope Kingcanon!
Where to start. first of all Jesus spoke aramaic and the word for rock in aramaic is Kepra. That is what he renamed Simon. Now when saced scipture was written down in Greek they wre dealing with a language that has gender nouns. A massive rock in greek is the femine Petra but it is not proper to refer to a man in the femine so Petros the masuline word for rock is used for Peter. Also Peter is given the keys to the kingdom. Now what does that mean? Again look to the OT. Isaiah 22:20-23. To be given the keys to the kingom means to rule in place of the King until the King returns.
Now I am doubtful your quote from Pius the IX is in anyway accurate but if it is it still proves nothing. We do not claim that the Pope is inpeccable. We claim that he is infallible when he is speaking “ex cathedra” which means he prevented from teaching errors when speaking on a matter of faith or morals for all Christians for all times. A very rare occurance.
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 3:14amI assume you mean John 20:21-23. This is the first time Jesus appears to all his disciples at the same time after his resurrection. What important thing is he going to say or do? Well, he says, “Peace be with you. As the Father sent me, so I send you.” and when he said this, he breathed on them (think about GN 2:7) and said to them :Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” This sure seems like it is a special power given strickly to those he breathed on. And one must confess your sin to them so they can either forgive it or retain it. and as Acts 1:17 & 20 shows us the early catholic church reonized that they reach held a unique office that would continue after their death. Just as Moses office continued after his death.
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 3:40amYou should also know that the term Cathoilc church first appears in a letter of St Ignatius written in about 110 AD. It simple means universal church. And so we are.
Now the biggee. First aff before John chapter 6 Jesus had hunreds of disciples following him if not more. And after verse 63 Jesus would have been obliged to assure them that he was only speaking symbolically. He did not do that because he wasn’t speaking symbolically and most of them left him over this because they too like you Kingcanon could not accept it. Consider 1 Cor 11: 23-29. If it is only a symbol then why did Paul teach this? and the most damning arument for this in your case is from your hero Martin Luther who said, “of all the fathers, as many as you can name, not one has ever spoken about the sacrament as the fanatics do. None of them uses such an expression as “It is simply bread and wine,” or :Christ’s body and blood are not present.” ….or the like, since they are greatly concerned not to mislead the people; actually, they simply proceed to speak as if no one doubted that Christ;s body and blood are present. Certainly among so many fathers and so many writings a negative argument should have turned up at least once, as happens in other articles; but actually they all stand uniformly and consistently on the affirmative side.” Martin Luther believed in the eucharist and so should you. It is solidly Biblical and supported by all the Church fathers up till and beyond the disaterous reforma
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 9:13amJohn655. First of all thank you! A sincere thank you for taking time to respond. It must have been early or late as your written reply contains several errors I’m having a difficult time comprehending. However, the Lord will work me through it. And please for both of our sakes when referring to the Savior of the world please capitalize any reference to Him. Thanks.
“A massive rock in greek is the feminine Petra but it is not proper to refer to a man in the femine so Petros the masuline word for rock is used for Peter”.
I am aware, therefore, I brought it up. One refers to a man the other to the coming BRIDE (the church).
“Now I am doubtful your quote from Pius the IX is in anyway accurate but if it is it still proves nothing”.
Are you kidding! Until proven wrong it is monumental! I’m pretty sure Jesus Christ feels the same way. Otherwise His death was for naught.
Catholic: From the GREEK adjective καθολικός, meaning “general” or “universal” Everyone knows this.
Christian: Means “Follower of Christ”.
The Catholic Church teaches that the Papacy goes all the way back to St. Peter. Protestants do not believe in Apostolic Succession. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life and the Holy Sprit provides intercession. As important as Mary is to the whole story of Christ I don’t recall being asked by Jesus to use Her as a mediator. You guys keep looking for Mary in visions while the world is dying due to a lack of salvation.
(con’t)
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 12:33pmThanks for understanding my poor spelling and typing skills. I am a dumb, dumb dummy and a sinner and in no way an expert theologian. I’m just a guy in the pew on Sunday mornings. Yet, I still can counter every arugment you put forth becasue the faith needs no defense, it only needs to be explained and those seeking the Truth will find it.
“And please for both of our sakes when referring to the Savior of the world please capitalize any reference to Him. Thanks” Where didn’t I captilize a reference to the Lord? I reread it and I don’t know what you are referring.
“One refers to a man the other to the coming BRIDE (the church).” Well some progress here. Mt 16:18 clearlys says, “And so I say to you, you are Kepra (rock), and upon this kepra (rock) I will build MY church, and the gates of the neatherworld shall not prevail against it.” Jeusu didn’t say go build your churches. He said I will build my church. And what did he build it on? Kepra, the original Rock. And The Church is most definately Christ’s bride, you got that one right. And the power of hell will never pervail against it. We bagan as a church 2000 yrs ago and we will never disappear.
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 12:35pmHere is an actual quote from Pope Pius IX:
Friday, March 10, 2006Saint Quote: Blessed Pope Pius IX
We are well aware of Our weakness. So when We reflect on the most serious duties of the supreme apostolate especially in a period of great instability, We would simply have fallen into great sadness, did We not place all Our hope in God who is Our Saviour. For He never abandons those who hope in Him. Time and again, so as to demonstrate what His power can accomplish, He employs weak instruments to rule His Church; in this way, all men may increasingly realize that it is God Himself who governs and protects the Church with his wonderful providence.
Doesn’t sound like a man who would say what you claim he said.
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 12:49pmIt’s funny. Most Christians seem to have no problem asking a friend or even someone they just met to pray for them, but you seem to have a problem with asking your heavenly firends to pray for you. Rom 8:38 shows us that nothing can seperate us from Jesus. We are one body in Chirst. Now did Jesus fullfill the 10 commandments? Well, one of those commandments is to honor your father and mother. And Jesus did just that. He bestowed great devine honor on his Heavenly Father and he also bestowed great devive honor on his earthly mother. To be like Jesus, we also must honor his mother. As LK 1:48 says of Mary, “from now on will all ages call me blessed.” Good thing there are catholics around to keep scipture infallible. Also, Rev 12:17 shows us that all of us who bear witness to Jesus are children of Mary. Jesus loves you so much that he also gives us his mother to be our mother. Rejoice, Rejoice.
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 4:28pmI believe that Roman Catholic’s are indeed guilty of reading their own human traditions about Mary into the text. And oh my how that practice wrongfully takes the focus off of JESUS. In addition, I gotta tell you, Revelation to the Roman Catholic in my neck of the woods is basically unknown.
“Here is an actual quote from Pope Pius IX”? Really? Regarding that one- whose to say their quote is actual or not? Can you prove mine is not? If so… commence and please don’t talk down to me. Further, why would I ask a man using that practice to “Pray For Me”? The true Church is about striving to be Christlike, not simply to be universal with systematic practices.
Seems to me when Catholics meet adversity they simply rewrite practice to fit need.Take a look at the events at the top of this column and tell me that’s not so. Martin Luther should be your mentor, not a lineage of Popes that sail whichever way the winds are blowing. For the record Satan knows how to be holy. Satan also knows the scriptures as well as anyone. Makes one wonder why Catholicism is the only “religion” in the world with it’s on city. And why in the world all all the secrecy? The secrecy doesn’t gel with Christlikeness at all.
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John655
Oct. 7, 2012 at 5:09pmThis has been fun but You give a quote without anything to show the validity while I give a quote which can easliy verified. It is from Pope Pius IX in his encyclical Qui Pluribus: On Faith and Religion. Copy and paste the quote and you will find it’s authenticity. Your quote can only be found on vemonous anti-catholic web sites that give no source. I feel free to talk down to anyone who spreads lies about my faith. You are not an honest debator who is seeking the truth and you have an anti-catholic agenda that you spread with lies and you can’t even knowledge a quote from Martin Luther that shows he supported the REAL Presence of the Lord in the Eucharist. Again an easliy verifyable quote. For 1500 yrs no one doubted the trurth of the Euchraist. I say you have done more than just make yourself your very own Pope whose interptation of scripture is infallible but you also spread lies. And we both know who the father of lies is. Good day sir.
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KingCanon
Oct. 7, 2012 at 5:46pmJohn655
Wow. Just wow. I simply want to see you and your brethren saved as time on earth is short. Call me when you are ready to pray the sinners prayers. I’ll pray with you. Call me when you are ready to receive salvation and be immersed in a watery grave as Jesus was baptized. It’s about Jesus!
Simply and sincerely, it’s about Jesus. Keep that in mind John 655.
Guess the above timeline was a little too strong for your limited knowledge, defense and desire. That’s OK. God loves you as much as He loves me. He always has – He always will. Just don’t wait too late for salvation my friend.
John 3:16
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Edohiguma
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:28amReally? God has outdone himself? This idiot drove drunk. There’s nothing funny about that. There literally thousands of people on the entire planet who die every year because of people like him: dumb asshats who think it’s smart to get wasted and then drive their vehicles. And that’s not even counting the large number of injuries. The issue isn’t that he consumed alcohol. The issue is that he consumed too much alcohol and then thought he could drive still. I’ve seen too many such accidents to find his statement even remotely funny or amusing.
If anything, thank god he didn’t cause an accident and that the LEOs caught him before he could cause harm with his drunk driving.
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James V
Oct. 5, 2012 at 12:26pmI don’t remember them saying he was smashed. I’m not sure how it is in California, but in Michigan you are legally drunk as soon as you finish your first beer.
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catholicextremist
Oct. 6, 2012 at 11:01pmIn the great sate of KS, I’d be legally wasted after a beer even though I can function completely normally.
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ZAP
Oct. 5, 2012 at 7:05amhttp://disappointed-and-disillusioned.xanga.com/751777334/item/
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by faith
Oct. 5, 2012 at 9:20amhttp://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/how-do-we-know-it%E2%80%99s-the-true-church
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by faith
Oct. 5, 2012 at 9:22amhttp://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/paganism-prophecies-and-propaganda
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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Oct. 5, 2012 at 6:49amNo comment.
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