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Oct. 7, 2012 11:05am Madeleine Morgenstern

Rep. Paul Broun Calls Evolution & the Big Bang Theory Lies Straight From the Pit of Hell

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) last month dismissed evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory as “lies straight from the pit of hell” to convince people they don’t “need a savior.”

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell,” Broun said in videotaped remarks to the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet in Hartwell, Ga. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

Broun, a medical doctor who sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, said there are “a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth.”

“I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says,” he said.

Broun said the Bible informs much of the way he does his job as a congressman.

“What I’ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it,” he said. “It teaches us how to run our lives individually, how to run our families, how to run our churches and it teaches how to run all the public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason as your congressman I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C. and I’ll continue to do that.”

The liberal nonprofit group Bridge Project highlighted Broun’s comments and provided them to Talking Points Memo. A link to Broun’s full 47-minute remarks posted by the Liberty Baptist Church was no longer available Sunday morning.

In an email to the Athens Banner-Herald, Broun spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti said the congressman was “speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues.”

Broun, first elected to Congress in 2007, is running for re-election unopposed.

(h/t Talking Points Memo)

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DeOppressoLiber
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:58pm
This is where conservatives need to take a more libertarian view. We need to keep enough God in argument to secure our Inalienable Rights.

Let the other believe what they want, as long as they do try to overturn that argument.

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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:18pm
  I like that.
  
  Otherwise rights can become inverted like in 1984.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:09pm
  You got a point. I see what you mean. When asked what the role of Government is, during the last presidential debate, Obama NEVER mentioned the federal Constitution or our Declaration of Independence. Romney did.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:31pm
  The moron claims that EMBRYOLOGY is a “lie from Hell”!?!?! Fundamentalists can’t make any claims regarding lack of evidence for embryology like they can for evolution or the Big Bang. Embryology can be fully observed and studied, unlike the latter.
  
  This is weapons grade stupid.
  
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- phillycornerboy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:43pm
  perhaps, we should follow the example of our Founding Fathers. they were very religious but on a personal level. they believed religion was neccessary to mold and guide a citizens morals and judgements, but not appropriate for the politics of government. they sought to avoid a crime equals sin form of law. personally, i believe, that science and religion are two sides of the same coin. both seek to describe the world around us. science tries to answer how; religion tries to answer why.
  
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- Twobyfour
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:56pm
  acidovorax:
  “The moron claims that EMBRYOLOGY”
  
  Granted, he is a sort of a moron, he should have his data straight. He was, in all likelihood, referring to Haeckel’s fraudulent infamous image of stages of development of embryo that was supposed to prove that ontogenesis follows phylogenesis. It doesn’t. The image was a fraud that was supposed to buttress the theory of evolution.
  
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- GaryAA
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:22am
  This is a medical doctor? Is it not true that, at this time, man does not fully understand how life originated on Earth? However, is it not a fact that our bodies are made of star dust?
  
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- Native54
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:44am
  Yeah, Ya better be careful when it comes to those silly Christians, like the ‘Blacked Robed Regiment,’ who fought, bleed and died during the Presbyterian Revolt, otherwise known as the ‘American Revolution.
  
  Poorly educated and indoctrinated libertarians that scoff at the involvement and impact of the Christian faith on America’s founding are rejecting the very reason we have the liberty and freedom America has enjoyed since this nations founding. We would not have liberty and freedom if it wasn’t for the Pastors, Preachers and lay persons that motivated and instilled the idea of breaking from the old thought of Divine Right of Kings …. to the Creator God being the arbitrator of man’s rights, not government. So Libertarians might want to rethink their hostility to Western Civilization’s moral code of Christianity.
  
  THE BLACK REGIMENT LED THE FIGHT IN OUR WAR FOR INDEPENDENCE
  http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read_blackregiment.html
  
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- Hugh Akston II
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:10am
  The Big Bang Theory supports Genesis so I do not see his problem with that. As for evolution, it violates the 2nd law of thermal dynamics and I have never heard a suitable explanation of this from evolutionist.
  
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- SocialistSlayer
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:57am
  I believe Liberal Communists are allowed to believe whatever they want but so am I – Junk Science ! Evolution and the Big Bang Theory are just plain ridiculous with no scientific fact what so ever to back them up. Both are pure Bull ! Believe what you want – just don’t try and pass off nonsense as scientific fact !
  
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- JRook
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:55am
  This is a great example of what is really pathetic about the wing nut ideologues. Science is not a belief. So the notion that you can put forth a belief in what the bible says on an equal level on what has been shown scientifically is ignorant at best. How an individual like this can get into congress is scary in and of itself. Giving it any credence by repeating it her is another great example of the modern capitalism. Provide selective and bias reports to ideologues and the angry mob is easy…. and the best part they will pay you ridiculous amounts of money to do it.
  
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- pearlnpeter
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:20am
  The fact that the left has been able to supplant legitimate scientific inquiry with pseudo-science and say the debate is “settled” is a testament to the speciousness of their claims. While it isn’t desirable to mandate any faith, more important, and also a Constitutional requirement, is that religious freedom is protected. In gov’t schools today the Christian perspective has been officially banned. This needs to stop. In the marketplace of ideas, where no coercive gov’t influence is applied, Christianity will always win the hearts and minds of the people. As proof of this, look anywhere around the world and see the lengths to which the Arab countries, China, India, and the USSR have gone to crush Christianity. The reason for this could not be clearer, for anyone paying attention. Yet in Christian countries all are free to exercise their religious beliefs. The biggest threat to Christianity in the West is the secular humanism which has been imposed by our gov’ts. Without this coercive power, exercised against the people by illegitimate means, Christianity would still thrive in the public square.
  
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- dimitrisokolov
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:23am
  This is where the GOP goes off on the wacko tangent. The GOP needs to be fiscally conservative and lose the religious mumbo jumbo.
  
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- pearlnpeter
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:30am
  @acidovorax
  “The moron claims that EMBRYOLOGY is a “lie from Hell”!?”
  I think you are misinterpreting that statement. Of course embryology is a proven science, but the effects of manipulating the human genome are detrimental to society. While legitimate debate can take place on the ethical considerations of this field of inquiry, using tax dollars to support it is a gross violation of the rights of the people who consider it reprehensible. It seems the American people have become so accustomed to this kind of abuse, we no longer even perceive it is taking place.
  
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- mcsledge
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:24pm
  Hugh Akston II – You either don’t know the Big Bang Theory or you don’t get the Creation found in Genisis. One does not support the other.
  
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- girlnurse
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:42pm
  JROOK: You think this guy is a nut job? To me he looks like a genious compared to Pelosi, Barney Frank, Sheila Jackson Lee, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken, Barbara Boxer, Gavin Newsom…….the list is endless…
  
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- BenzinVasser
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:43pm
  JROOK, are you from Wisconsin, just curious…no bad intentions implied. With that question asked, if you are then you know who I am, I live in Indiana.
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:49pm
  We KNOW by the CREATION around us, that there IS GOD. We therefore stand without excuse.
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:57pm
  Keep ENOUGH God in it to secure our rights? There are NO rights except those GRANTED by God. W/O HIM, Thinking you can have HIM just enough to maintain FREEDOM, is a foolish argument. Without God, ALWAYS at the forefront, you end up with Marxism,dictatorships, and DEATH. History PROVES this.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:26pm
  PEARL wrote: “I think you are misinterpreting that statement. Of course embryology is a proven science, but the effects of manipulating the human genome are detrimental to society.”
  
  I made no such interpretation. It is obviously YOU who are projecting a whole lot of speculation and conjecture into this statement: ““All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell”
  
  He says “ALL THAT STUFF”!! No specifics, nothing about genetics, nothing about taxpayer funded anything (that was YOU rationalizing his words). He was railing against EMBRYOLOGY, the study itself.
  
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- damon_k
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:28pm
  I don’t know if I would call these two “theories” lies from hell, but they have become religious to those on the left. Bot theories are full of holes. Read more insights at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:31pm
  NATIVE wrote: “Poorly educated and indoctrinated libertarians that scoff at the involvement and impact of the Christian faith on America’s founding are rejecting the very reason we have the liberty and freedom America has enjoyed since this nations founding. We would not have liberty and freedom if it wasn’t for the Pastors, Preachers and lay persons that motivated and instilled the idea of breaking from the old thought of Divine Right of Kings …. to the Creator God being the arbitrator of man’s rights, not government. So Libertarians might want to rethink their hostility to Western Civilization’s moral code of Christianity.”
  
  Regardless of how important you believe these Christian individuals were to our current state (this can be debated), this IN NO WAY means that we must support morons who make such idiotic statements. Nothing in his statement was discussing liberty or individual rights or the proper role of government. He was making ignorant sweeping generalizations against fields of science.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:37pm
  RWCT wrote: “Keep ENOUGH God in it to secure our rights? There are NO rights except those GRANTED by God. W/O HIM, Thinking you can have HIM just enough to maintain FREEDOM, is a foolish argument. Without God, ALWAYS at the forefront, you end up with Marxism,dictatorships, and DEATH. History PROVES this.”
  
  Except that history proves that WITH God you also get dictatorships and death. I know believers love to ignore the Middle Ages, but the oppression, brutalization and tyranny occured in “Christian” nations, by God’s followers.
  
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- RAMJR
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:31pm
  Amen, Native54. God Bless.
  
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- NikolaTesla
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:39pm
  This is very simple. A day is not 24 hrs. A day Is one complete 360 degree revolution. OUR day is thought of as about but not exactly 24 hours. This is because we are on earth. If you live in the whole of creation……. you get the point. OR you could just be a faith-hater.
  
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- rrjenn
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:33pm
  In the past organized religion demonized science as a way of controlling people. If science could prove their ridiculous claim that the Earth was the center of creation was wrong, then what else were they wrong about. This guy is a dinosaur.
  
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- Anamah
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 1:37am
  What a ignorant! This idiot seems to share Middle Age culture. When Galileo Galilei was risking his very life for discovering and teaching science. Only uneducated people can electe such flat mind. This one deserves to live at that moment… not in the XXI Century and certainly not in the US.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:58am
  Yo Colt:
  
  You said the same thing I said ( same spirit) … you just added ALL the colors to my sketch. That’s some fine “stuff ” there my friend … post on brother!
  
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PAUL_THE_APOSTLE
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:49pm
This one thing I know, that God created heaven and earth, and when he created man, he made sure man could NEVER deny him as follows:
Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the TRUTH in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest IN them; for God hath SHEWED it unto them.
This is how it is evident:
Romans 1:20-21 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are CLEARLY seen, being UNDERSTOOD by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that THEY are WITHOUT EXCUSE: Because that, when they KNEW God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
You see, man does know God, we are born with the innate knowledge of him: but man KNOWS better:
Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is God‘s answer to man’s wisdom:
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, (void of judgement) to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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- 1snake1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:08pm
  I don’t think you know what ‘know’ means.
  
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- sgtstubbs
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:55pm
  You almost got it right, keep reading between the lines. You to can start to put feet upon science and the bible. Big bang was the start and it took 6 days to build, how long was this day in God’s Timex. Hard to say but I would guess 100 billion year give to take 200 billion. LOL. Man will die for his freedom or live long as a slave.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:19pm
  “Big bang was the start and it took 6 days to build, how long was this day in God’s Timex. Hard to say but I would guess 100 billion year give to take 200 billion.”
  
  Then it wasn’t 6 days, was it?
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:58pm
  Einstein stated that the universe, space and time, were ever expanding. He further stated that the perspective of time was only relevant to the time and place one was in, and from where and to where one made the observation. Wherefore, six days today, in an expanded growing universe, may seem like billions of years ago, but six days, in a small, condensed, newly birthed universe, may actually have been six days.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:29pm
  Since a day, as understood by our definition, is a complete cycle of daylight and night, then the word “day” must equate to roughly 24 hours.
  
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- Twobyfour
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:25pm
  acidovorax, “god’s day” is referred in different religious texts. The duration varies based on religion (3600 days in some apocryphal or Sumerian sources to nearly a million in hindu tradition). It was understood that the flow of time in God’s/gods’ realm works differently. Some literature describes effects that in modern parlance would be described as purely relativistic.
  
  So, bare the bible literalists, no one thinks God’s day = our day.
  
  That is except you. That is what you have common with bible literalists, yet you make a fun of them. Oddly enough.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:43pm
  TWOBYFOUR wrote: “acidovorax, “god’s day” is referred in different religious texts. The duration varies based on religion (3600 days in some apocryphal or Sumerian sources to nearly a million in hindu tradition). It was understood that the flow of time in God’s/gods’ realm works differently. Some literature describes effects that in modern parlance would be described as purely relativistic.
  
  So, bare the bible literalists, no one thinks God’s day = our day.
  
  That is except you. That is what you have common with bible literalists, yet you make a fun of them. Oddly enough.”
  
  Nothing odd about understanding the meaning of words. Not sure why you present Sumerian and Hindu references to support Christian texts. Not really relevant. But by your argument, then Christians shouldn’t take off Sunday to rest, as a representation of God’s seventh day, they will likely have to wait several million years for this “day” to roll around, right?
  
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NineteenEighty4
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:44pm
This train of thought expresses a severe lack of scientific literacy, specifically on how the laws of physics operate and basic geology. Planets can’t be made in 6 days. For billions of years, Earth was a mix of lava and molten rock. There was no hard crust, let alone a viable atmosphere. There is no way, using the laws of physics, that anything that occurred in the Bible could have ever taken place, especially from a literal point of view. Humans don’t sprout up from rib bones and dirt. Humans and all other life are the products of billions of years of evolution and adaptation, not 6 days worth.

The notion of intelligent design is pretty insulting to God, if you accept it as true. We have useless teeth that can kill you, and an exploding organ that serves no biological function, and reproductive means that posed great risk of death to the mother for most of human history. If we take a look at our universe, we can foresee the bursting of our sun violently exterminating all life on Earth, and the Milky Way colliding with the Andromeda Galaxy in a few billion years. If we are designed, that designer is either wildly incompetent or passively evil to create something so flawed when He/She/It could have done otherwise.

It’s seriously embarrassing that this person is an elected official. It’s really too bad. Bible literalists are so deluded that no amount of evidence or new knowledge could ever change their mind. Faith and ignorance is valued over knowledge.

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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:59pm
  It makes me sick to my stomach these loony fundamentalist are lumped together with fiscal conservatives in the republican party… Light from the nearest galaxy would take 2 million light years to reach us yet the earth and universe is a bloody 9000 years old? Please shove a sock in it!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:06pm
  Who said a planet can’t be made in 6 days? Just because we canot do so with our present tech level does not mean it could not be done by us in the future.
  
  That said I beleive God created the Earth thru the old fashioned physics that some of us love & others hate.
  
  Entry level physics is a sought after elective by the vast majority of college students. There are waiting lists just to get a seat in a physics classes in every college every year.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Just a thought: If God created all things, including the laws of physics, what is to stop Him from making the universe in 6 days? You’re trying to limit Him according to an atheistic evolutionary mindset. God does not conform to science. He made it. There are actually plenty of problems that evolutionists cannot answer such as the actual origin of the universe, the lack of transitional fossils, mutations are a loss of information not a gain, giving long ages to young rocks, etc. You’re working a previous assumption that evolution is fact and God doesn’t have the capacity to make things as He sees fit.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Pontiaku
  It makes me sick to my stomach these loony fundamentalist are lumped together with fiscal conservatives in the republican party
  ***
  Dave Ramsey is a radio preacher. He confines his preaching as far as I know to managing finances conservatively. No one ever makes hay out what he says.
  
  daveramsey dot com
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:56pm
  djpeyton21
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  “the actual origin of the universe”
  There is a new theory about the universe coming out a DEEP FREEZE not a big bang. I haven’t read up on it. But there is a competing scientific theory. We’ll see how long this theory lasts.
  
  All In know ios that God made the universe, but not exactly how. I am not weded to the ideal to 6,000 year old earth or 6 day creation. what is a day to God?
  
  Psalm 90:4 – For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
  2 Peter 3:8—‘one day is like a thousand years’
  
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  “the lack of transitional fossils,” Ya, most stuff rots. It is hard to make a fossil. Second, wee spend too much time fighting & blowing stufff up. It is hard to get to some areas to actually dig. The list of areas where it is dangerous is growing.
  
  ” mutations are a loss of information not a gain,” Mutations are change on information. Some mutations are beneficial, neutral or bad. We see mutations all the time in people. Some of them are called birth defects & are clearly detrimental. Other cause kids to get the HeII beat out of them because they look different. With everyone’s personal DNA deocded to check for suspectibility to disease or birth defects of potyential; children, everyone & their brother will know about mutations & how often they happen.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:11pm
  Walk- Yes evolution is constantly revising and changing its theories because each one has problems. I never said mutations cannot be beneficial. However, it is rare if they are. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation#section_5
  This link is just a brief description about mutations. Note what it says in the overview on beneficial mutations.
  http://creation.mobi/genetics-no-friend-of-evolution
  This is another speaking of genetics. These men are accredited scientists.
- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:10pm
  [Dave Ramsey is a radio preacher. ]
  Gee, is he an elected official or a young earth creationist nut job? I said “Loony Fundamentalist”, people that believe in superstitious bronze age nonsense. Not someone that follows the philosophy of Jesus. You can be a christian without being a full fledged, make crap up to protect made up crap, moron.
  
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- NineteenEighty4
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:29pm
  You can’t just conjecture that God suspended the laws of physics to fit your story, when we have a working, accepted idea of how the planet was formed without the help of divine intervention.
  
  Without going into the beginnings of the universe, I think it is safe to say that God didn’t create the universe in 6 days. It’s actually a misnomer to say that the universe has been “created.” The universe is still being created, at an ever-expanding rate, and no one really knows why.
  
  What we are currently seeing in our skies at night occurred in the distant, distant past. The void between galaxies is beyond human comprehension. When light travels from even the nearest galaxy, it takes hundreds of thousands of years to get here, to our eyes, even though it is traveling at the fastest speed theoretically allowed in the fabric of reality. It logically follows that even the closest galaxy, let alone the rest of the observable universe, existed well before 6,000 or 9,000 years ago, depending on your interpretation of the Bible.
  
  Why are you putting so much trust in the writings of a barely literate, pre-scientific society?
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:52pm
  1984- http://www.godsci.com/gs/new/finetuning.html
  There is quite a bit of fine-tuning in the universe that defies probability. And the God who created all things also created the physical laws. I think He has things under control. As for miracles, they are excluded by naturalistic explanations because in a completely natural world miracles don’t happen. Kinda works like a circle. Miracles also cannot be tested by science since scientific methods work with repeatable results. I doubt you’ll be able to get a man to walk on water repeatedly lol.
  
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- KrinksPenn
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:08pm
  I am glad that you have all the knowledge and wisdom of the Universe and know for a fact what God can or can’t do.
  
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- Mr.buff1959
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:56pm
  Well said.
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:02pm
  1984
  
  It would do you a world of good if you actually did some REAL research.
  
  Our Universe is decaying. There is nothing that demonstrates that it is still being created. We see stars getting brighter, NOT being formed. No explanation in current evolutionary dogma can explain the formation of stars; zip, zilch, nothing. We can only observe them getting brighter, a result of, most likely, dust and gas clearing away from line of sight.
  
  Please explain to me how one measures a 14BLY diam. universe? Triangulation is accurate only to about 500LY; red shift measurements rely on huge assumptions that can not be verified.
  
  Can you explain the Polonium Halos in granite? This can only point to instantaneous solidification.
  
  Can you explain the Cambrian Explosion?
  
  Can you explain why there are only 300 nebulous rings and not 100,000s, where history clearly shows that super novas occur at a rate of about 1 in 25 years?
  
  Can you explain the Ica Burial stones of ancient Peru that show perfect depictions of dinosaurs?
  
  Can you explain the Ice Age?
  
  I can go on for about another two pages of scientific observation that clearly and directly contradict current evolutionary myth and stand in perfect agreement with the literal Biblical account to Creation.
  
  I look forward to your response…
  
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- Twobyfour
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:47pm
  “Humans don’t sprout up from rib bones and dirt.”
  
  Ashes to ashes, dust to dust is more than a nice parable.
  
  Say that you want to clone a human. What would be best source of cells that a bone marrow? And the dirt (or rather “clay”? This can be ether a substrate, or a moniker for chemicals and nutrients. Or on a deeper level, star dust.
  
  It is not the ancient ones that understood the meaning and context that were the idiots. It is you, because you lack imagination and the understanding that the meaning of words changed with time.
  
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- Wayner
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:21pm
  Prove to me how you know that light from the nearest galaxy took two hundred million light years to get here and I’ll give some credence to your supposed intelligence…. Wanna buy my bridge in Brooklyn? I don’t know how He did it other than how He says He did it in the Bible… He spoke the worlds into existence… Your job? Prove to me the He didn’t.
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:02pm
  @1984….” when we have a working, accepted idea of how the planet was formed without the help of divine intervention”. Pretty dang prideful to think we have it all figured out with our pea brains. Remember it was accpeted beliefs that the freaking earth was flat!!! And those were the smart guys like you. But the BIBLE said the earth was round. go figure
  All of you evolutionists, with any kind of scientific, open mind should check out this site….it will blow your mind wide open…creationevidence.org
  Where evolution lacks evidence, creation screams its evidence every day…just have to be “listening”.
  Christians, look at it too, it will arm you with facts and evidence….just what the evolutionaries do not have!! Enjoy
  
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- pearlnpeter
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:51pm
  “This train of thought expresses a severe lack of scientific literacy, specifically on how the laws of physics operate and basic geology.” Really? In what way? Your entire post is made up of dogmatic statements which are less scientifically provable than Alice in Wonderland. Do you really consider that an opinion, because it is held by you, is unassailable? I sense than you are either extremely young, or extremely uneducated. Ignorance is excusable, but should be accompanied by humility, not contempt for the learned. As it happens, Congressman Broun is expressing his conviction, which is based on his religion, that the world and the universe operate according to God’s plan. However, when he identifies the theories of evolution and the Big Bang as completely unproven and contributing toward moral depravity, he is making a scientifically correct assessment. Atheists, however, are more doctrinaire and less rational than any cultist.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:48pm
  PEARL wrote: “Congressman Broun is expressing his conviction, which is based on his religion, that the world and the universe operate according to God’s plan. However, when he identifies the theories of evolution and the Big Bang as completely unproven and contributing toward moral depravity, he is making a scientifically correct assessment. Atheists, however, are more doctrinaire and less rational than any cultist.”
  
  BAHAHAHAHA!!! A cultist calling science a cult. How rich! Now tell us how science has correctly assessed that “evolution and the Big Bang” are “contributing toward moral depravity”? How does science argue for moral propositions? And even if science could make moral claims, how does the theory of evolution and the Big Bang contribute to moral depravity?
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:16pm
  Acid –
  
  Your questions will be answered when you start educating yourself.
  
  I strongly suggest you read “Mein Kampf” by Adolf Hitler and “The Origin of Species” subtitled: “The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life” by Charles Darwin; the subtitle should give you a very big hint as to the direction of moral depravity of this book.
  
  Also, while you are at it, do some serious research regarding the Columbine Shootings.
  
  There are volumes more I could go into, but this list is plenty to get the point across.
  
  Open your eyes Acid; and good luck with your life.
  
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- NikolaTesla
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:45pm
  Evolution = bunk.
  
  Evolution can not explain the origin of the first cell but claims all things evolved from it.
  
  There is also the problem of the law of irreductible complexity.
  
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NewLife56
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:39pm
He is right, and even a growing number of scientist are now debunking the big bang theroy and evolution. Give em time, they will come around.

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- 1snake1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:09pm
  I love you fundies.
  
  SCIENCE is EVIL! (unless it agrees with us, then its awesome).
  
  Simply pathetic.
  
  And no, there are not a ‘growing number of scientists’ who believe the universe is 9 minutes old.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:16pm
  So how old is the earth?
  
  Psalm 90:4 – “For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”
  
  2 Peter 3:8 — ‘one day is like a thousand years’
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  So how about a quiz?
  
  If god made the heaven & earth in 6 days, how old is the earth?
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:35pm
  Ooh ooh I know this one! We’re living in the 6,000th year
  
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- SandTrout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:13pm
  The Big Bang might not be correct, but I’m not aware of any evidence that suggests that the earth is as young as hard-line creationists (IE: Idiot cited in the article). There is even a theory that what we understand as ‘the universe’ is actually a black hole, but the general age of the universe remains largely unchanged, and that theory has no effect on estimates regarding the age of the Sun/Earth.
  
  For me, I look at it this way: What do you trust more, scripture that has been handed down person to person for millennia, or the actuality of creation, which is, for the faithful, the direct work of God?
  
  The obsession with a specific age of the Earth based on imperfect interpretations of the Bible by imperfect humans undermines your ability to spread your faith and the support you get from those of us who are more concerned with how we are currently being herded into a tyranny that defies both science and religion.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:26pm
  Sand- http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/did-jesus-say-he-created-in-six-days
  I think the one to focus on is the Exodus reference and the Luke reference.
- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:29pm
  The Bible itself affirms the literal interpretation of a 6 day creation.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:28pm
  Psalm 90:4 – “For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”
  
  2 Peter 3:8 — ‘one day is like a thousand years’”
  
  These quotes don’t suffice as compelling evidence, seeing as they use the term “day” in the literal understanding of a day. If you are to believe ANY words in the Bible they must use the understood definition of the word it used, or else it would be meaningless and undecipherable. So either God created the universe in 6 days or this passage can’t be used in any literal sense when Christians claim that the 7th day is for rest.
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:14pm
  Mr. Snake
  
  No one ever claimed the Universe was 9 minutes. His statement was regarding the Big Bang, and more profoundly the dogma of Evolution.
  
  Here is the back up; try to educate yourself:
  http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/index.php
  
  And as a side note: “Fundies” don’t regard science as evil; just those who try to twist it to bolster an agenda.
  
  Grow up Snake, and get with reality.
  
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- John Disc 19320
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:24pm
  I don’t see what the big deal is reconciling the bible with the Big Bang Theory, JUST READ the 1st Chapter of GENESIS, it pretty much lays out the Big Bang Theory, except for human concepts of time. Also look up the time line of the filling of the Black Sea, it is around the time of the Flood with Noah’s Ark. Christians don’t have to hate science like Muslims, it backs up the Bible, as long as you don’t try to take the timeline too literally, from a book created from an oral tradition until after Moses.
  
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- ConstantineTheConservative
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:45pm
  Be careful 19320,
  
  The Genesis account does NOT support Big Bang.
  
  The Heavens and Earth were created first, then the Universe on the fourth day.
  
  What lit the Universe before the fourth day was God Himself. This light was everywhere with NO point of origin, therefore it was perfectly uniform. The CBR is direct proof of this, and the only explanation as to why this cosmic background radiation is so perfectly uniform. An explosion can not explain this perfect uniformity in ALL directions of the Universe.
  
  In regards to oral traditions: the keepers of the tradition devoted their entire lives to the ‘keep of the verse’. No one was permitted to carry on until they demonstrated perfect memorization of the Word as it was given to that point in history.
  
  NOTHING was left to chance or error.
  
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Thornyrose13
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:35pm
He is free to his religious beliefs, but he has disqualified himself from his chair on a science committee. And for those who believe the Bible outweighs all, imagine if he had said the Quran, or the Vedas, instead. Would you find his position as logical and “right” as you do when he ignores evidence to rely on a book written in a pre-scientific era?

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:05pm
  These people freely admit that they would follow the Bible before they follow the Constitution.
  
  They are traitors.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:13pm
  ModerationIsBest
  
  If you are going to come here to troll, it would be best to listen to GB also.
  
  The Constitution is based on the Geneva Bible among other things. There is a big difference in the Geneva Bible with its’ commentaries & the King James bible. You on the other hand say King James with clenched teeth like you can’t jack your jaws any other way. There is no conflict between scinece & the Bible other than what you & others want to make. You & Broun are 2 sides of the same loony coin. :)
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:22pm
  @Walkabout
  
  What in the world are you babbling about now?
  
  Did I even mention the words “King James”
  
  Seriously, what are you reading?
  
  I really have no idea what you’re talking about once again.
  
  Seriously, seek professional help.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:28pm
  Yo Mod:
  
  You are sooooo played …men of God write the constitution … you and yours come along and argue against that saying nay and attempt and unfortunatally are succeding in removing God from our society and then trun around and call those who are like minded to the writers of the constitution and call them traitors … AMAZING
  
  But your statement is exactly the direction we are headed.
  The devil smacks someone and then blames the one beside him (christians) and the others believe him …sad for them on a couple of levels … one being their denial of God also removes the existance of being smacked. Might want to look in the mirror for the hand print on your face …
  
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- Gregb
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:34pm
  The constitution is based on biblical principle. Some of the amendments may not be, but it is bibilical based at the core.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:47pm
  Glenn Beck compared & contrasted the Geneva Bible with the King James Bible. It is an important comparison. People who went with the Geneva bible were of denominations where the church elders picked their pastor. It is not a top down model. Where you have central authority telling peple what to think. Also about this time you have many people learning to read the Bible which created problems but also created much that is good. You see literacy among women at this time.
  
  Anyway my point stands. You come out of the woodwork (you are the Woodwork Troll) on a story like this and use it as an opportunity to denounce the Bible, because let’s face it you hate it. Then you make all sorts of claims about christians being Luddites & knuckledraggers. Never mind that a person like Copernicus had many Clergy as friends & that they urged him to publish his finding. Or that Christian monks copied all of classical literature that they could get their hand on.
  
  Really you & Borun are 2 faces of the same sick coin. :)
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:49pm
  @GREGB
  
  Keep telling yourself that.
  
  No matter how much you repeat it, won’t make it so.
  
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- Gregb
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:14pm
  @moderationatbest
  
  The founding fathers all believed and followed the Bible. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible. You can believe what you want, but it will not make it true.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:34pm
  @GREGB
  
  See, here’s what i’m talking about.
  
  You say “all of them believed and followed the Bible.”
  
  You first off make a completely false claim and secondly, you make the wrong point here.
  
  Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible….which removed all divinity and miracles from Jesus. It’s clear by his writings that Jefferson wasn’t a Christian in the sense that the term is uttered today. He thought the whole trinity thing was absolute garbage and hated Calvinism and its teachings.
  
  Secondly.
  There were Christians who founded the United States of America, there were also deists and free thinkers. However’; they all came together and decided to form of government not based on religion and not based on Biblical, but based on a secular law.
  
  You people come here and act like they wanted to found a Christian nation based around Christian law.
  
  The Virginia Statue on Religious Freedom was written because Christians were afraid of OTHER Christians imposing their form of Christianity on them.
  
  Seriously, and people wonder why I come on here and argue against this insanity, it’s because I’ve seen what you people are capable of when you get into power.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:35pm
  WALKABOUT wrote: “The Constitution is based on the Geneva Bible among other things.”
  
  Anytime you wish to present the source for this claim, please do.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:12pm
  Va Bill of Rights, written by Father of the Constitution (Madison), Father of the Bill of Rights (Mason), states, “That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that IT IS the MUTUAL duty OF ALL to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.”
  
  George Washington, the Father of our Country, gave the following General Order to his troops, “The General most earnestly requires, and expects, a due observance of those articles of war, established for the Government of the army, which forbid profane cursing, swearing and drunkeness; And in like manner requires and expects, of all Officers, and Soldiers, not engaged on actual duty, a punctual attendance on divine Service, to implore the blessings of heaven upon the means used for our safety and defence.”
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:12pm
  “Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.” James Madison
  
  The first national Thanksgiving Proclamations were those issued by the Continental Congress between 1777 and 1784. http://www.pilgrimhall.org/GivingThanks3c.htm
  
  PRESIDENTIAL THANKSGIVING PROCLAMATIONS, from 1789-1815, were made by George Washington, John Adams, James Madison. http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ThanxProc1789.htm
  
  John Q. Adams, Sixth President of the United States, said, “The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes… of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.”
  
  Fisher Ames, Framer of the First Amendment, said, “Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits… it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.”
  
  Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Constitution and Declaration, said, “[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
  
  Looks like our Revolution was nothing like that of France’s godless one.
- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:15pm
  In a letter to Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816, Thomas Jefferson wrote regarding his book, The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth:
  
  “Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christians.
  
  I have always said, I always will say, that the studious perusal of the sacred volume will make better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands.
  
  1. The doctrines of Jesus are simple and tend to the happiness of man.
  2. There is only one God, and He is all perfect.
  3. There is a future state of rewards and punishment.
  4. To love God with all the heart and thy neighbor as thyself is the sum of all.
  
  These are the great points on which to reform the religion of the Jews. No one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in its advance toward rational Christianity, and my opinion is that if nothing had ever been added to what flowed from His lips, the whole world would at this day been Christian… Had there never been a commentator there never would have been an infidel. I have little doubt that the whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator, and, I hope, to the pure doctrines of Jesus also.”
- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:17pm
  Jefferson stated, in his ‘Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom’ (1786), that, “ALMIGHTY GOD hath created the mind free”. He also stated, in the Declaration of Independence (1774), that our Representatives were appealing to the “Supreme Judge of the World”. While your opinion may sound nice and sweet, it bears no resemblance to the foundation of our Government. This same Jefferson, along with Mason (Father of the Bill of Rights), stated, in ‘Virginia’s Declaration of Rights’ (1776), that, ” it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other”. Our state constitutions all acknowledged God during our founding. James Monroe (fifth US President), well stated that the blessings “with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we posses of handling them down unimpaired to our latest posterity“ come from the ”the Divine Author of All Good.” Indeed, since the founding of our nation, our forefathers have proclaimed ONE invincible hand which has guided and protected us through and through. Washington, in a letter to Brig. General Thomas Nelson (1778), declared, that “the Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.”
- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:50pm
  MODERATIONISBEST
  
  How do you respond now?
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:20pm
  Yo Colt:
  
  ALWAYS appreciate the historical truth of your posts … sad thing is with the next simular story those you address are back with the same old “stuff”.
  Ever hearing but never learning …
  
  Yo Moderationisbest … if moderation is best why are you so lopsided …?
  
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- Cesium
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:50pm
  The people voting for their leaders and laws to this day is entirely and exclusively derived from greek origins! This is not to say monotheistic judaic (not necessarily christians) methods of rule were not implemented. They certainly were. However, our founders amalgamated moral codes and systems of law from judaic, greek, and centuries of philosophers since the dark ages.. If you think our constitution and system of living is entirely bible based, you have some studying to do.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:12pm
  @4truth2all Thanks. I know they’ll repeat the same stuff. That info I post is for those many Blaze readers who are open minded, considerate, honest, and will actually looking into the matters further. That is, they will actually try to refute what I’ve actually posted, and not change topics, take it to the extreme, or dismiss the subject at hand, whether they post it or not.
  
  @Cesium The founders did study the classics and old system of laws, however, they also largely criticized all the old philosophies and used them as examples of what NOT to do. They knew the failures that Plato and Aristotle expressed, in that, they may have had well intended and structured ideals, but they understood that when executed they never accomplished the desired result, or to quickly or eventually became corrupt. They knew that all worldly governments and theories eventually became perverted, wherefore they insisted on relying on eternal laws and self evident truths which change not. For this reason, they acknowledge Protestant Christianity as displaying the best hope in instilling in the people the values and principles required to preserve and maintain a just Government. That is, temperance, accountability, sound currency, strong families, patience, truth, duty, respect, tolerance, love, responsibility, individualism, charity, endurance, righteousness, equality, service, honor, etc, etc, etc.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:58pm
  COLT wrote: “@Cesium The founders did study the classics and old system of laws, however, they also largely criticized all the old philosophies and used them as examples of what NOT to do. They knew the failures that Plato and Aristotle expressed, in that, they may have had well intended and structured ideals, but they understood that when executed they never accomplished the desired result, or to quickly or eventually became corrupt. They knew that all worldly governments and theories eventually became perverted, wherefore they insisted on relying on eternal laws and self evident truths which change not. For this reason, they acknowledge Protestant Christianity as displaying the best hope in instilling in the people the values and principles required to preserve and maintain a just Government. That is, temperance, accountability, sound currency, strong families, patience, truth, duty, respect, tolerance, love, responsibility, individualism, charity, endurance, righteousness, equality, service, honor, etc, etc, etc.”
  
  Because they made appeals to Christian morals, does not in any way argue that the CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM was derived from the Bible. Also, being well read, they would have realized how easily man can use religion as a tool for oppression and tyranny, i.e. Middle Ages.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:34pm
  Yo Acid:
  
  Being men of God; their “person”, the “writings” of the constitution would automatically follow suit. Just because the word God or Jesus is not mentioned does not equate to the wisdom of God lacking, and the evidence of this wisdom is found in their very words. A man of true faith always derives his thinking from his faith, just as you do in your thinking from a lack of faith. The principle is pretty simple actually.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:35pm
  “Because they made appeals to Christian morals, does not in any way argue that the CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM was derived from the Bible.”
  
  The Bible speaks of the Lord as King, Lawgiver and Judge. That’s three branches right there. The law speaks about appointing officers over ten thousands, thousands, hundreds, etc. Sheriffs right there. Counties, districts, etc. The Bible speaks about appointing Judges within your gates, and every city; districts, territories. It speaks about having a higher judge to which appeals could be made, and to having one supreme Judge. Appeals right there. The Bible speaks about having one law, the same for all. Supreme Law of the Land. The Bible speaks about treating rich and poor, every man, without prejudice or respect when brought before a Court. Equality before the Law. ETC. ETC. The Bible clearly espouses points which bear resemblance, or at least some similarity, to our Government, or any other. Of course, our founders were aware of these.
  
  Andrew Jackson boldly stated, “That book, Sir, is the Rock upon which our republic rests.”
  
  “Also, being well read, they would have realized how easily man can use religion as a tool for oppression and tyranny, i.e. Middle Ages.”
  
  Of course they did. They were against the priesthood, PRIESTHOOD, being in bed with Government, as though the priests were part of Governing us. They did not however become hostile to virtue, religion or morality, which they believed were essential.
  
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Socco
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:33pm
I signed in just for this:

Taking into consideration the great pyramids, and other monolithic places, can you really say with a straight face that evolution is a fact? Seriously, Can we build a pyramid now?

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- kenboo1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:55pm
  Yes and with a lot less people. What the hell does the pyramids have to do with evolution and big bang theory… I understand where he is coming from however, he is dismissing concrete evidence without explaining why…
  
  Nobody knows the total story here and we never will… Glenn, discussing Ben Franklin’s explanation is a good place to start.
  1) there is a God
  2) he loves us
  3) he expects us to return his love by showing love to our family and friends
  4) in the end – we are accountable for our actions.
  
  Many politicians want this to be mandated in the form of redistribution of wealth (both Democrats and Republicans) as if to place the responsibility on the collective rather than the individual.
  
  To me its silly to argue about teaching evolution or not, Scientific data points to its probability!! Secularists don’t want to teach creationism in favor of the big bang. So how do we know god didn’t create using the big bang? The futility of arguing about it is as useful as me writing this post!!!
  
  Go out and show a random act of kindness today!!!
  
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- 1snake1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:58pm
  What does megalith construction have to do with biological evolution?
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:38pm
  Ken- When was the last time an explosion created anything? Just curious.
  
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- SandTrout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:55pm
  @DJPEYTON21 every time there is an explosion, something is created from something else, notably dust, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, ect. Sometimes, they are even used in construction, where you blast a rock to make a flat face to work with. An explosion, like all chemical and nuclear reactions, both consumes and creates.
  
  The idea of creation without consumption (essentially violating the law of conservation of mass and energy) is one of the main logical arguments for the existence of God as a cause without a cause, which goes back to Aristotle’s concept of a ‘unmoved mover’.
  
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- SandTrout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:02pm
  @Socco
  
  Yes, we can. No one cares enough to spend the money on the labor to do it. We’ve built a great number of buildings that are far more astonishing and difficult from an engineering standpoint than the Pyramids, but since we are aware of the means by which we devise the designs, they don’t have the mystery of the Pyramids. What makes the Pyramids marvelous is not because we can’t do it, (we can) but because we’re not sure how they pulled it off with their level of technology 4,000 years ago (don’t get pissy about the exact time).
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:09pm
  Sand- The explosion is working with materials that are already present. And I do not see airplanes and the twin towers rising again from what happened that day by any natural means.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:23pm
  To further my point, if a Big Bang were to occur, you would need pre-existing materials. God created ex nihilo which when working with God is possible. Evolution also claims that the universe was created ex nihilo but they claim God doesn’t exist which creates problems obviously when you look at the law of thermodynamics which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed as you mentioned in the rule of conservation. However, you continue into the second law of thermodynamics which says that the universe is in a state of entropy. This means that the universe could not have lasted forever. It also means we’ll have an end. But that means that energy and material had a starting point: creation.
  http://creation.mobi/did-god-use-big-bang
  This article goes on about the flaws in the Big Bang and also includes links for further reading.
- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:05pm
  @djpeyton21
  [if a Big Bang were to occur, you would need pre-existing materials]
  Maybe you should actually study current scientific theories on the big bang instead of talking out of your a$$.
  
  [God created ex nihilo which when working with God is possible]
  Where do you come up with this horse squeeze? Who are you to say what is or is not possible for god or that there was ex nihilo? Ex nihilo, “nothing”, is an elementary school explanation that is continuously used by laymen. No serous Big Bang theory ever makes the claim there was “NOTHING”.
  
  [Evolution also claims that the universe was created ex nihilo]
  Evolution claims no such thing. Evolution only deals with the origin of life, not the universe.
  
  [God doesn’t exist which creates problems]
  No it doesn’t.
  
  [obviously when you look at the law of thermodynamics which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed]
  What does the law of thermodynamics say about quantum physics?
  
  [This article goes on about the flaws in the Big Bang and also includes links for further reading.]
  Your rebuttal is a creationist website?
  
  Here’s a flow chart for you, one half of it should be very easy for you to understand.
  That’s the side your on.
  http://i50.tinypic.com/b964nc.jpg
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:16pm
  Pontiaku- Creationist scientists use the same evidence evolutionists use. There is plenty of contradictory evidence in the evolutionistic explanation which is why they keep changing their theories. The Big Bang is in itself an atheistic evolutionistic explanation for how the universe exists. Evolution wouldn’t be around if the universe wasn’t. You say evolution is on the origin of life; well life wouldn’t exist if there were no origin of anything else. And even physics supports an entropy in energy. Which is the point I was making with the second law of thermodynamics which you haven’t disputed at all. As for the ex nihilo comment, as I’ve stated, if our universe is in a constant state of entropy, which it is, then that means there must have been a starting point for energy and matter to exist and that there will be an end as well. The Big Bang theory can either make two claims: energy always existed, and contradicting the second law of thermodynamics, or it can say that everything was created by natural purposes which also violates that same law that says you cannot get a positive from a negative.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:22pm
  And pontiaku- science works with repeatable results. That’s what it means to test the hypothesis. When scientists can repeatedly create the universe, I’ll see what their results will be. Of course that would only prove that you need intelligence to do such a thing.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:30pm
  http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html
  See all scientists, creationist or evolutionist, cannot have observed such a creation of the universe. They weren’t there. Therefore, both groups work on unproven assumptions and both of which need to line up with the evidence.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:43pm
  DJPEYTON wrote: “See all scientists, creationist or evolutionist, cannot have observed such a creation of the universe. They weren’t there. Therefore, both groups work on unproven assumptions and both of which need to line up with the evidence”
  
  But the religious side NEVER has to provide any evidence for their claims, since they don’t base their understanding of the world on observabe evidence, simply faith. So ANY evidence contrary is always rejected or conveniently rationalized as being supportive of “God’s work”.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:47pm
  Actually challenges have left some believers without answers for centuries until new evidence appears to support the Bible and its claims. And yes I suppose it is unfair that God’s evidence is on His side ^_^
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:51pm
  And yes, both sides use the same evidence. It is the interpretation that is different. Creationists work on the assumption that God exists. Evolutionists work on the assumption that everything can be explained naturally. But if the latter is true and only my genetics decides what I believe and what you believe, then there really is no point in trying to change my mind, since my mind is already “made up”, pun intended.
  
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- kenboo1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:00pm
  djpeyton21 – There is a nuclear explosion that produces light constantly its called the sun. There is not a soul on earth that can come close to explaining God and his reasons, abilities or his time frame. Evolution is a fact, there is too much evidence. Learn to think outside the box that religion (bible written by man and interpreted by man) defines. God knows we are not perfect. He doesn’t expect perfection from us. He only expects us to try. Ever see an oak tree seed, how it looks like half a propeller and is easily blown by the wind. I would call that intelligent design (Gods design) because I don’t think trees have the ability to think, but then I could be wrong… Only God knows!!!
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:43pm
  DJPEYTON wrote: ” Creationists work on the assumption that God exists.”
  
  Not only do they work from this unproven assumption, they reject evidence that argues against this assumption.
  
  “Evolutionists work on the assumption that everything can be explained naturally.”
  
  Scientists attempt to work from the premise that evidence must support the argument for it to be logically compelling. Conjecture and speculation are not sufficient.
  
  “But if the latter is true and only my genetics decides what I believe and what you believe, then there really is no point in trying to change my mind, since my mind is already “made up”, pun intended.”
  
  Who makes this claim? Seems creationists assume several unsupported claims.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:12pm
  Ken- The sun works with nuclear fusion not fission. And there is plenty evidence against evolution as well, some of which I listed somewhere else on this article. We are called to be perfect: Be holy because I, The Lord your God, am holy. (Lev 19:2) Obviously we can’t do that on our own, which is why Jesus came down and made it possible for us. And the reason why we start with the Bible first is because it is God’s Word, not man’s. “All of Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16)
  
  Acid- Evolutionists claim that we are merely time+matter+chance and it works off of atheistic notions. Therefore they too have the burden of proving God’s nonexistence just as much as the theist is in His existence. However, there is far more compelling evidence for God’s existence than otherwise. And since they claim that we are time+matter+chance, then we are a universal accident. I am merely the product of a biological mass forming in some coherent way. Accidentally, of course. I have no control over such a formation and am subject to the whims of my molecules. Evolution does not answer the “ought” question nor can it answer that question.
  
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- kenboo1
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:55am
  djpeyton21 – Your too wrapped up in yourself – think outside your box.
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:20pm
  acidovorax
  check out some evidence if you have the kahuna’s to do your own thinking vs what you have been spoon fed by the “smarter than God” crowd…..creationevidence.org……
  
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carbonated
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:19pm
Darwinian Evolution is science fiction. Its an anti-God religion more than science. The only reason people cling to it so dogmatically is because if they reject it, they then have to consider that perhaps there is a God and that is unacceptable to the atheist. Their dogma blinds their objectivity.

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- PontiusPirate
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:24pm
  Evolution and theism aren’t mutually exclusive.
  
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- The_Jerk
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:32pm
  Extremists on both sides are the problem. PontiusPirate is correct.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:37pm
  Looks lie the ignorance patrol is out in force. Why do Christians hate education and science. I thought Christians would care about the truth. well the truht is Christians want to return to the dark ages, before science, when myth and superstition controlled.
  
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- Falindraun
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:40pm
  Im going to preface this by saying im an atheist. For those in the anti-science point of view, for all you know it could have been your god that started the “big bang”, maybe your gods plan was evolution. maybe his plan was to just “plant the seeds” and see where it went.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:45pm
  @Falindraun, that’s the way I look at it as well. The dinosaurs could have been God’s “practice” or even toys, and then he learned what he did wrong or changed his mind about what he wanted.
  
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- tradexpertbuysell
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:51pm
  Michael Behe’s “Darwin’s Black Box” makes just as much sense (actually more!) than Darwin’s “Origin of the Species” ever could. And liberals can’t stand that fact and the State Controlled Religion of Evolution won’t tolerate its desemination to our children!
  
  That’s why Inteligent Design is so violently opposed by progressives every time it comes up for a school board vote to put it in the curriculum.
  
  I dare any objective sane person regardless of your religous beliefs or lack thereof to read both “Black Box” and “Origin” and not agree that both make as much sense from the standpoint of careful expedition of facts. In fact Behe as a famous biochemist knows a thing or two that Darwin would only guess about concerning the biochemical details that to him were the black box that Behe so clearly defines in this must read masterpiece~!
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:01pm
  PontiusPirate
  Evolution and theism aren’t mutually exclusive
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  How right you are! What is a day to God?
  
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  For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
  Psalm 90:4
  
  2 Peter 3:8—‘one day is like a thousand years’
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Walkabout, Broun doesn’t say the earth is 9000 + many millions. He says it is a literal 9000 Gregorian calendar years old. Also scripture from Psalm & Peter have nothing to do with Genesis. If the word “yom” is used followed by a number it is a literal DAY. Not thousands or millions of years! Stop making up lies and excuses for an antiquated bronze age mythology.
  
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- 1snake1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:11pm
  Thanks for proving you don’t know anything about evolution.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:33pm
  @TIGRESS1
  
  Then you’re admitting that your God isn’t all knowing and isn’t perfect.
  
  Because how could a perfect being get something “wrong”
  
  Why would a perfect being need “toys”?
  
  Seriously, think about what you’re saying.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:58pm
  Moderationisbest, I never said that I believed God is perfect. He did make us in HIS image and we certainly aren’t perfect! As you can tell, I’m not your average Christian. Regarding the dinosaurs being his “toys”, that’s easy. Again, we are made in HIS image. As children, boys love to play with dinosaurs, He just invented dinosaurs! As far as all-knowing, all I know is He is much, much, much smarter than us, and again, if he made us in His image, then He is capable of learning as well!
  By the way, I HAVE given this subject A LOT of thought!
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:14pm
  Tigress- We are imperfect because of our rebellion against God not because we’re made in His image.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:22pm
  Maybe perfection is IMPERFECTION? Think about it. Who wants everything to be perfect? Wouldn’t that be awfully boring? Everything would be the same.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:59pm
  Tigress- God wants you to be perfect. “Be holy as I am holy.” (Lev 19:2, 20:7) Furthermore, you cannot be imperfect and perfect at the same time. It defies logic. Paul makes this clear in the terms of the resurrection, “Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption; sown in dishonor, raised in glory; sown in weakness, raised in power; sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:42-44) And lastly, perfection doesn’t equal sameness of personhood. We are all made perfect in Christ but we still retain our individuality. For example, take two recipes for cake. One is chocolate, one is vanilla. Both are made perfect by the same person. They are both cakes made perfect by a person. They are different in flavor, similar in design, and perfect in formation.
  
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- louise
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:09pm
  It took the Perfect to redeem the imperfect
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:31pm
  DJPeyton21, I think I see what you are saying, but I don’t think anything that humans do is ever perfect, even baking a cake. It’s impossible. We might say something is perfect only because that is as close to perfect as we can get or imagine, but it’s never perfect. We love to create and strive towards perfection because God made us that way, and in His image that is what He Himself does. I think being perfect and imperfect simultaneously does not defy logic. Just being perfect in itself is a flaw! Perfection leaves out the ability to improve which is a flaw. Once perfect there is nothing left to do. BORING. Another imperfection. God has made mistakes. The Great Flood (Noah’s Ark story), God punished the earth and then promised to never do that again. Why? Did He make a mistake? Did He change his mind about something? This world is full of imperfections, but that makes it interesting.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:02pm
  On the contrary, a perfect God has a multitude of things He can do. And so will we. The Flood was not a mistake. God was washing away the wickedness of man in that time. And God promised never to destroy the earth in that way again. Since we were not there, we don’t know how evil man was at that time. However since it was a global flood, we can assume that evil was highly prevalent and a problem. Also you cannot call something crooked unless you have some idea of a straight line. How do you know that something is imperfect if you don’t know what perfect is? You’re working backwards with a negative to a positive. 2+2=4. This is an absolute fact. That answer is correct whereas every other answer is wrong. That answer is the standard by which we would judge say 2+2=5 which we know is incorrect and wrong. God is the standard for perfection and we are judged according to His character. Since we are made in His image, if we violate that character in our actions, we are wrong.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:38pm
  DJPeyton21, “How do you know that something is imperfect if you don’t know what perfect is?” Exactly! Also what one person thinks is perfect, might be imperfect to someone else. None of us know what perfection is, therefore, how can we claim that God is perfect? We haven’t ever seen perfection! Why do we even have to believe that God is perfect? All the things that are wrong with this world, and how bad things happen to good people would be a whole lot easier to explain if God WASN’T perfect. This doesn’t diminish God any if He wasn’t perfect, He would simply be easier to understand. With all the power that He has, He still would be worthy of respect and worship and honor and LOVE. He has given us so much and is still so much better than we are. In OUR eyes He might be perfect, but technically He might not be. Just as we love our husband or wife, etc. they might be perfect to us, but reality says differently. In fact, we might love them FOR their imperfections! Isn’t that what love is? Isn’t God love? Shouldn’t we love God even if he wasn’t perfect?
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:08pm
  I think you’re missing the point of my argument tigress. The command to be holy as God is holy is the command to be perfect as God is. You yourself are diminishing Him. You’re allowing the serpent to ask you that infamous question: Is that really what God said? I urge you to ground yourself in the truth of Scripture and what God Himself has to say about His character. God bless ^_^
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:32pm
  DJPeyton21, Gosh! I don’t want to put the burden of perfection on God, but He can put that burden on us? All I can say is I’m doing the best I can. I’m doing the best I can. :)
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Tigress- The burden isn’t on Him. That’s just the way He is. And while you can do the best you can, the only one capable of saving you is Jesus Christ. That’s the point. No one is perfect and is capable of being perfect by their own merit. Only God can make that happen.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:56pm
  DJPeyton 21, I hear you and thank you for your kind words, but I have to pull your leg. (That old serpent again!) If God created us in His image (which is perfect) then we WOULD be perfect!
  
  Maybe I am humanizing God too much. I think perfection would be a huge burden. I also think it would be awfully lonely, which is maybe why He created us in the first place!
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:23pm
  Ouch my leg! Jk lol. Yes God made us in His image. Now God is spirit so He made us as spiritual beings, who can communicate in the spirit with God and with mankind. Now God told us if we were to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we would die. Now before that, God claimed that everything was good. In a good world, where do you find evil? Evil, by biblical definition, is willfully choosing to go against God. So when Adam and Eve ate of the tree, they died. But since they lived on for about another 900 years, we know that they didn’t die physically immediately. But they died spiritually immediately. That is why Jesus, who before was just spirit, became a man, became human, to receive the punishment of all mankind so that we might all be reconciled to God. It was by our own choice that evil and imperfection entered the world. I’m sure if you continue a daily reading of God’s Word, you’ll come to understand Him better. :)
  
  God would not have been bored and lonely because He is perfect and can find innumerable ways to occupy Himself.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:27pm
  It’s good to ask questions Tigress. But the best place to find answers is within Scripture. For “all of Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16)
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:44pm
  DJPeyton21, Sorry about your leg! :) Since God created us in His image, then He probably knew in advance that Adam would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Isn’t it our nature to be curious and seek out knowledge? We were set up! However, I am glad that He has given us a chance to redeem ourselves through Jesus.
  
  “God would not have been bored and lonely because He is perfect and can find innumerable ways to occupy Himself.”
  Like creating people? Sorry, had to pull your leg again!
  
  I hope you have enjoyed our conversation. I think it is fun to ponder these things. It helps a lot. :)
  
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- DWilliams08
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:50pm
  There’s a pyramid in Las Vegas and Memphis, TN. just to name a few. No one could have possibly built them, therefore the bible must be interpreted literally.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:03pm
  Oh I think my leg will be fine once I bandage it lol. Yes I’m sure God did know what Adam would do which is why He had already made a plan to save us through His Son. As for God being lonely, remember that God’s eternal nature means that He cannot change. So if God is a Father, He must’ve been a Father eternally, which means that the Son existed eternally as well and they both loved one another in the same Spirit of God. Three in Personhood, One in Godhood. And if they are three in Personhood, then they aren’t alone now are they. I understand where you’re coming from though. It’s near impossible to imagine just what being in a relationship with God really means until we actually come before Him face to face. It will be in that moment when our greatest expectations will be overcome by the reality of His purpose for us. And yes I had a fantastic time talking with you. If you want to talk more I could give you my email if you like.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:03pm
  DWilliams08, whoever built the pyramid in Memphis built it on land that would be subject to liquefaction if there ever was an earthquake. Now it is being retrofitted. The builders were stupid and didn’t use common sense. Why can’t people just use common sense when reading the Bible? Some things should be taken literally, and some things shouldn’t?
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:10pm
  But as it is written: What eye did not see and ear did not hear, and what never entered the human mind- God prepared this for those who love Him. (1 Corinthians 2:9 HCSB)
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:23pm
  DJPeyton21, Yes, God is the Father, He has a son, therefore, the Holy Spirit must be a woman! I feel better now that He probably isn’t lonely! (I know I’m a mess!) It’s been fun, but how can you give an email here without the whole world seeing it? We better just talk here. It has been a long day, so I’ll let you go. See you around The Blaze! :)
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:44pm
  Yes tigress you are a mess (shakes head). I’ll straighten you out eventually lol. I’ll see ya around ^_^
  
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statutoryape
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:16pm
Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has plenty of evidence to back it up. It doesn’t disprove the Bible.

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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:27pm
  That uis what In think. He can beleive in the Bible & Evolution. What is a day to GOD?
  
  How come the people who keep the atomic clock have to announce increases in the length of a day by a second or fraction of a second every so often? The length of a day is changing.
  
  A medical doctor which has a sound foundation in biloogy & chemistry does not make one a physicist, where one becomes an authority on staq formation, planetary mechanics or the Big Bang.
  
  Maybe Broun can discuss General Relativity & quantum mechanics & Stephen Hawkins can practice medicine.
  
  I don’t doubt that Broun is intelligent. I also don’t doubt that he has some erroneous beliefs that make him stupid.
  
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- PontiusPirate
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:30pm
  Just because something can’t be disproven doesn’t mean its true.
  
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- Gregb
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:35pm
  Darwin’s theory has lots of “theory”… no real evidence
  it is a flawed theory. Name something that has ever…ever evolved for the better!
  
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denkat56
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:12pm
finaly a politician who not afraid to believe in god.

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:15pm
  Finally?
  
  Did you really just say finally?
  
  You can’t get elected in this country without saying you love Jesus…..and you say “finally.”
  
  What a riot you people are.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:30pm
  ModerationIsBest
  What a riot ***you people*** are.
  
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  You come here to mock or educate? How about edecucating yourself 1st. You probably still beleive ebryonic stem cell reserch is better & moral when compared to adult stem cell research.
  Where is the moderation in engaging in a type of scientific research no matter the moral cost just because it is “faster”.
  
  You some pretty immoderately liberal to me.
  
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- encinom
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:40pm
  Don’t you mean a politican who finally came out of the closet and admitted to the world that he is an idiot.
  
  His rejection of science shows just what kind of brain trust the GOP has in its ranks.
  
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- Female
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:09pm
  MB,
  
  It is one thing to say you “Love Jesus”, look at O. It is another, to say you believe The Bible as His Word, from beginning to end, including and especially, the 6 days of creation.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:41pm
  Yo Encinom:
  
  Look to thine own eyes … what is it up to now… hundreds = the times you have been corrected about your self deceptions that christians ignore science. Much of the present day “science” we go by is from God fearing men, but then again how many times have you heard that ? You sound like the president during the debates that makes a false accusation, is corrected what 3 times but continues to repeat it, and then goes on the campain trail and continues it … what a joke!!!
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:52pm
  @WALKABOUT
  
  Seriously, every time you write on this site you always come across like a lunatic.
  
  Are you reverting back to your “Michael J Fox says stem cell research is bad, therefore it is!” argument?
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:46pm
  He dismisses all other religions that don’t embrace the saviour = MAJOR FAIL!
  
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Tigress1
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:03pm
I disagree with this Congressman. I also believe that science actually reaffirms the existence of God. Other than that, what’s it to ya? This is this guy’s personal belief and is no skin off of my nose!

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:23pm
  Ah so you have no problem with him forcing others to live by his Bible.
  
  So much for separation of church and state.
  
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- PontiusPirate
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:28pm
  I’d have no problem if he said “I don’t believe in this things” (even though he’d be wrong) and then went on his way. But he claed they are lies to get people not to believe in god. So when an elected official essentially claims that which has been universally accepted by the scientific community to be a hoax, conspiracy, or lies to manipulate people there’s a problem.
  
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- Tigress1
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:42pm
  This is why it’s important to vet a candidate before an election. If you don’t like him, then next election vote him out of office. Just make sure you also vet the new candidates or you might end up with something you like even less.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:54pm
  ModerationIsBest
  
  There is no separation of church /religion & state. That is a lie. It is called the establishment clause not the separation clause. Not unless you are part of the Ministry of Truth a la 1984 & are going to rewrite the constitution. But we know you want to do exactly that.
  
  There can be no state (as in Federal) church established. As such there can be no official relgious doctrine. That doesn’t mean that we can’t have sessions of congress for example opened with prayers by a rabbi one day, an iman the next & a bishop the day after that. It doens’t mean that we can’t have generic prayers either.
  
  Youn fight so hard against others, I think you are running from yourself. :)
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:41pm
  @WALKABOUT
  
  Tell that to the people who want the Bible and prayer to be consulted on matters of foreign and domestic policy.
  
  Tell that to the people who made our National motto “In God We Trust.”
  
  It is obvious by the posters on here, and this freak show congressmen, that religious people are incapable of letting their religion seep into EVERYTHING they do which ends in them passing legislation forcing other people to live by their non holy book.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:55pm
  You’re not here to discuss
  
  You’re here to incite.
  
  Look, I have the address to a website that shares your beliefs. I’ll even give you my account username and password if you post THERE 50% of the time instead of here. That way both people are happy.
  
  Sound like a deal?
  
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PontiusPirate
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:57am
You don’t even need complex scientific experiment or thought to prove the planet is plder than 9,000 years old, just simple common sense. We found dinosaur fossils. You’d think if creatures that massive were roaming around with people somebody would have wrote about them or at least drew them. You can’t argue with crazy though.

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- mapgirl10
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:35pm
  Not even cave drawlings show dinasaurs so writing was not in play! So, explain the thinking wheel creating man?
  
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- PontiusPirate
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:42pm
  I have no idea what you are claiming or asking, you’ll have to clarify.
  
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- Gregb
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:18pm
  for information on dinosaurs
  http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=dinosaurs
  
  They aren’t that old!
  
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- PontiusPirate
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:36pm
  A remarkable revelation Greg.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:54pm
  http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2423
  http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=2416
  There is some evidence for dinosaurs being around. And what about them dragons huh? Giant lizards sound like dinos to me. Lastly, the fossils we’ve found is a sign of extinction not evolution. Fossils can only be formed by a quick burial (aka Noah’s Flood). This is why we really don’t find fossils every day: because other animals assist in the breakdown of flesh and bone. If an animal was buried quickly, it would be difficult for any creature to dig down far enough to eat that creature.
- joel228
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:30am
  PONTIUSPIRATE, would you expect to find soft tissue in fossils that were 68 million years old? How about 80 million years old?
  
  The thought is laughable but yet they stick to the ridiculous idea that they really are that old. What they need is a paradigm shift in thinking but that is hard to come by.
  
  I suspect if you measure fossilization rate, for there to be ANY DNA, blood cells or soft tissue remaining the bones would have to be no more than a few thousand years.
  Check it out.
  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur.html
  http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5658449n&tag=contentMain;contentBody
  
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- OccamsSword
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:34pm
  they are written about, the Bible is one source that mentions dragons several times. It even gives a nice description of them…the word Dinosaur wasnt coined at the time, which I am sure is all news ti you or you wouldnt have said what you did.
  
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TxSon
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:48am
Beliefs don’t change facts. Believe all you want that the Earth is not over 9000 years old. Believe that every (interpreted and translated) word of the Bible is “true”. That belief does not change the facts of physics.

If you are to accept that your belief is enough, then you must also accept that Muslim beliefs or Hindu beliefs or any other religeous beliefs must be accepted as “fact”. God gave you a brain. Use it wisely.

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colascguy
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:45am
I think this is where we as Christians get our bad name. People quote the bible verbatim with not contemplation of what the message is. Does the bible give us an in-depth description that 1 day in the life of man equals 1 day in the life of G_d. Not only that but how as a human, a child of G_d, can we truly understand his greatness? We know so little and I am not going to presume that I can understand creation. Why don’t we focus on the message that G_d created us all and it is our responsibility to be good and take care of others!

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:16pm
  Look at how deluded and brainwashed you are that you are afraid to type the word God.
  
  Don’t try to blame other people for Christians and religious people being viewed as crazy when you are afraid to type a word.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:34pm
  I keep thinking they’re saying “god_damn” when they do that…
  
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- colascguy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 3:27pm
  Actually it is sign of respect but you call me whatever you want. You tolerance, respect for other human beings and kindness is on display for all to see.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:28pm
  @COLASCGUY
  
  Respect out of fear.
  
  It’s hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:01pm
  Just like your spamming and flaming. How, honestly, do you expect somebody to respond rationally when you, metaphorically trample and wipe yourself clean with something they hold dearest to their hearts?
  
  This is not debate to you, this is catharsis.
  
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wtm
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:39am
Way to make the repubs look out of touch. Why can’t you say “Lies Straight From the Pit of Hell”
about the current administration or the Liberal Media.

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- OneTermPresident
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:43am
  Not… it makes “you” out of touch.
  
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PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:38am
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images make to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desire of their heats to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 2:21-25 NIV

I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes. Romans 2:16

Day 10 of the 40 days of Prayer. Pray for our Nation in Jesus Name Amen.

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- ProudAmericanLady
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:25pm
  Amen!!! All else may be false but God’s Word is always true. Yes, I believe it over anything else. Thank you Jesus for loving us enough to save us from our sin and our desperately wicked hearts.
  
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- Ken2kilo
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:20am
  Genesis 1:1-31 is the history of creation. John 1:1 – 3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. To me that sums up creation, everything was created by God. I agree with Rep Paul Broun, There are a lot things mentioned in the Bible that relates to science, astronomy, ecology, medicine, geography, history, weather, seasons, government, military, law, hygiene, how to get along with your fellow man, and how to conduct yourself on a daily basis. We are not perfect and we never will be this side of Heaven. God did create a perfect world and man has destroyed it ever since Adam and Eve disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit. . 2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4. and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5. For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6. by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.
  
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antitheist
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:33am
So does he also believe that oil and fossil fuels are straight from the pit of hell since there’s no way fossil fuels formed only in 9000 years? So much for drill baby drill.

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- ThorLoser
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:55am
  I completely disagree with Paul Broun on his position, but that being said, are you aware that there are entire planets, nebulae and galaxies made from “fossil fuels”? On the moon Titan, there are lakes of hydrocarbons and it even falls like rain.
  
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- PapaPatriarch
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:24pm
  Oil and fossil fuels can be made rapidly with heat and pressure. Diamonds and gems can now be made in labs with heat and pressure, rapidly. Fossils can be made in a matter of a few years ( and often are found – pro-mineralized ), fossilised bags of food, boots, hats, picles have been found, all you need is water and sediment. Fuels are not labled “fossil fuel” when we find it, and can be made in labs easily. In russia recent news a diamond mine (enough for the whole earths needs for the next 400 years) was found made by an impact cratter (instant). NOAH’s flood accounts for most features of the Earth that have an appearance of long ages, including the millions of fossils we find burried in the sediment.
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:50pm
  Actually Antitheists;
  
  You might want to check out Mt St Hellens eruption … oil does form much quicker then YOU think, but then hey you know it all… don’t you?
  
  That’s not the only antiantiGod event that happened during it’s destruction that the controling factors don’t tell you about … do you ignore this out of foolishness or are you ignorant ( not a put down )
  You might want to do some HONEST homework …
  
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- ThorLoser
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Well, more to Antitheists point, in which he is spot on, in order to have a fossilized dinosaur, you first need a dinosaour.
  
  However, a far more compelling indicator of the earths age when it comes to talking with fundamentalists is the magnetic reversals and sea floor spreading. It’s easy to understand and can’t be attributed to anything else.
  
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Gregb
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:28am
evolution is just a theory that people are blindly accepting as fact, even though the evidence is against it. Nothing has ever evolved for the better – and that is the fact.
The TRUTH of the Bible has been proven time and time again…

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:32am
  Gravity is just a theory.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:02pm
  And the reason we do not dispute gravity is because that falls within the domain of operational science. Evolution/creation falls within historical science. Both evolutionist and creationist scientists work with unproven assumptions. That’s because there was no one around to observe the creation of the world that can testify today. Creationists take their testimony from the Word of God. Evolutionists take their testimony from Darwin. Both need facts to prove their arguments true.
  
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- acidovorax
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:56pm
  DJPEYTON wrote: “Creationists take their testimony from the Word of God. Evolutionists take their testimony from Darwin. Both need facts to prove their arguments true.”
  
  No, creationists ignore everything that argues against the Bible, whereas evolutionist attempt to explain the evidence present in the world. Darwin is NOT their “God”, but simply one who attempted to systematize the evidence into a theory.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:54pm
  Acid- You must have missed the part where mentioned that no one had been around for Creation. Scientists work with observation to hypothesis to test to repeat and so on until they find results. Creation is not something that was observed nor is it something that can be tested repeatedly and if it could, it would only prove that intelligence is required for Creation.
  
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Detroit paperboy
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:28am
Just stop bankrupting the next three generations and i don’t really care what you believe………

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U.N.hater
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:21am
“What I‘ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it,” he said. “It teaches us how to run our lives individually, how to run our families, how to run our churches and it teaches how to run all the public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason as your congressman I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C. and I’ll continue to do that.”<<<< Wow sounds like the muslims huh? Funny their holy book tell's them the same thing EXCEPT christian bible does not teach people to lie/rape/inslave/murder or to conquer the world. Freedom of not freedom from. Really really wish we could get passed all this fighting…

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- wifezilla
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:58pm
  No…the rape part is just how you get a new wife. Hide in the grape vines and snatch a hottie… “behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.” – Judges 21:21
  
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justangry
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:19am
Um OK. 9000 years old, eh? Not millions and it’s only because they’re trying to convince people there is no savior. I see. I suppose carbon dating is inaccurate? Ice core samples are wrong too? This coming from one of the GOP’s fascists who isn’t on my list of GOP Congressmen that will stand up for our god-given rights, so why take him seriously? I don’t make any pretense that I have all the answers, but this guy sounds like a loon.

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- DEMOCRATS.ARE.EVIL
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:39am
  Funny thing is, regardless of whether he’s right or wrong, he has the right to believe what he wants thanks to our Constitution. And, if the voters in his district want him…good for them. The same goes for the Georgians who re-elect Hank Johnson every year, even if he does think Guam might tip over, or the Texas who re-elect Sheila Jackson Lee, even if she thinks our astronauts walked on Mars and hurricane names are racist.
  
  I realize that what he says is controversial, and I probably don’t agree with him myself, but unlike liberals, I don’t believe the man should be ridiculed and mocked publicly, then hunted down and burned at the proverbial stake as a heretic, the way liberals do to people who disagree with them. They DESTROY careers and lives – they don’t just disagree with people in an adult manner. Liberals tell us diversity is a positive thing and a strength – but don’t dare disagree with them or there’ll be hell to pay. You don’t get more Nazi-like then today’s liberals.
  
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- grayling646
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:40am
  So what if he sounds like a loon. Read your comment. You do too.
  
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- OneTermPresident
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:42am
  @JUSTANGRY… “I suppose carbon dating is inaccurate?” Yes… it’s been proven “highly” inaccurate… do some research. I remember a test… a living sand crab was used… the carbon dating test showed the living sand crab to be 10,000 years old.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:57am
  @ONETERMPRESIDENT
  
  How funny.
  
  I googled “sand crab carbon dating” and the VERY first result was a result from the Blaze about a Whale skull being carbon dated and it was you once again with your “sand crab” story.
  
  On there, two people asked you to provide a link to your supposed finding and you never did.
  
  Please provide a link.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:42pm
  I reading the book “Guns, Germs, & Steel” by Jared Diamon. Radio carbon dating does have problems. Further different layers of earth as not always proplerly layers but can be mixed by various geological processes.
  
  As a experiment figure out how quickly an object the size of the earth with a molten core would coool down. About a 150 years ago an english scientists ( I forget his name) determined that the earth could be no more than 20 million years old base thermodynamics.
  
  Except that the earth has a radioactive core generating heat, the earth would be solid by now.
  
  SamIAMTwo’s reference “A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day ” is interesting. Majke it easy to have your cake & eat it too. Nothing says that scinece & the Bilble can’t coexist. After all it was clergy that were friends of his that pushed Copernicus to publish his works on astronomy.
  
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- HaploVoss
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:57pm
  @OneTermPresident – This is bunk on carbon dating. First of all, there is no claim by the science to be an absolute method. Only an estimate. The second huge red bullseye on any marine-based C14 ‘error’ is the fact that it is well known that marine life does not absorb C14 the same way that terrestrial ife does (i.e. *atmosphere*). Not to mention that when any sort of marine fossil information is adjusted using known methods – other adjustments have to be made for atomic testing done in the 50′s. Sorry, but that is a bunch of bunk.
  Also, anyone attempting to carbon date a living creature is a bit of a masochist in that the dating process necessarily destroys a portion of the object to resolve the data.
  I have no problems with anyone believeing whatever they choose. I really don’t care how old the Earth is. It is my personal opinion that God created us and the universe we live in. There is no way we could possibly comprehend what a ‘day’ is to Him. That is how I see it and it all adds up without any issue for me. Work it out however you wish for you. No reason for anyone to worry about it otherwise is there?
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:29pm
  I’m not saying God doesn’t exist people. I really don’t know. He hasn’t spoken to me. The theories from the university I heard make more, but it doesn’t mean that both can’t be right, or even that I’m a 100% sure they’re even right. I’m just not buying that the earth is only 9000 years old, and created in 6 days. At least not the 24 hour days by current definition. I certainly don’t think the scientists are making up their theories for the sole purpose of deceiving people to not believe in savior. That seems delusional and paranoid. I certainly don’t trust anyone that would say such things ruling me. Especially when they vote against the Constitution like this dick weed has.
  
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- PapaPatriarch
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:32pm
  Carbon 14 dating can only date something up to 50,000 years old, no more, because all the c14 has gone, also only once living things can be measured for c14. If a date of millions of years is claimed from c14 dating it’s a fraud. Also things called VARIABLES can affect the c14 loss ( things like global flood waters sitting on the Earth for a year, volcanoes errupting, etc.)
  Secondly ice cores measure the all to obvious rings to get the long dates by counting the layer “years”. Well it’s obvious that many rings form in one heavy snow day! If you have more than an inch or two of smow it naturally begins to form its’s own layers in minutes.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:37pm
  Carbon dating doesn’t work~
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvMB57evy4
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:34pm
  http://creation.mobi/believe-it-or-not-the-earth-is-young
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:58pm
  @djpeyton21
  Quote from your site: “For example, wood from sandstone near Sydney, Australia, supposedly 230 million years old, gave an age of 34,000 years using carbon dating.”
  
  Is there a complete disconnect in your head? I just posted a video above you completely blows this creationist nonsense you keep spouting off completely out of the water. Any URL that has “creation” in the address is undoubtedly complete and utter nonsense which has been thoroughly rebutted. Until you’ve come up with something that has NOT already been thoroughly defeated I suggest you stop wasting everyone’s time.
  
  Watch all of the debunks video’s and be sure not to waste anymore of our time with tired old creationist bull squeeze.
  http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54debunks/videos?sort=dd&flow=list&page=1&view=0
  Additionally
  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB5D5D2570BE5EA14
  http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector/videos?sort=dd&flow=list&page=1&view=0
  http://www.youtube.com/user/ladefreakndah?feature=mhee
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:40pm
  I won’t waste your time if you won’t waste mine. You can show me all the videos you want, these scientists have dealt with them before. I can give you just as many links if you like.
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible
  http://creation.mobi/age-of-the-earth
  http://creation.mobi/helium-evidence-for-a-young-world-continues-to-confound-critics
  
  These scientists have dealt with your criticisms a thousand times over. I wish you luck in proving them wrong.
- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:45pm
  And I can see where you get your inflammatory and incorrect views on science and the Bible judging by the videos you chose to show me. Try again.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:22am
  @DJPEYTON21
  
  Your posts reek of, “This book is the literal word of God…..unless it’s proven untrue, then it’s a metaphor.”
  
  A day is a day….unless it’s not.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:58pm
  Hahah, he can’t even point to a specific quote.
  
  You beat him roundly.
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:10pm
  Pontiaku and all of you “smarter than God” people…..look at FACTS, not conjecture. Pretty dang prideful to think you have it all figured out with your pea brains, when you cannot CREATE anything!! What has man ever CREATED??? Remeber it was accpeted beliefs that the freaking earth was flat!!! And those were the smart guys like you. But the BIBLE said the earth was round. go figure
  All of you evolutionist, with any kind of scientific, open mind should check out this site….it will blow your mind wide open…creationevidence.org LOOK FOR YOURSELF vs reading what some other “smarter than God” person says about it….
  Where evolution lacks evidence, creation screams its evidence every day…just have to be “listneing”.
  Christians, look at it too, it will arm you with facts and evidence….just what the evolutionaries do not have!! Enjoy
  
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progressiveslayer
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:17am
I don’t need to go into all his views but we can safely say that earth is well over 9,000 years old.
If you make government smaller I don’t care which God you choose to worship.

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- SamIamTwo
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:41am
  A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day…so the bible says. So yeah, no one know for certain since it is worded that way. 6kMin and only God knows what the MAX is as I only have finite knowledge.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:32pm
  SamIamTwo
  A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day
  ***
  What verse is that? It would be a good one to know if there is such a verse.
  
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- Seabass82
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:52pm
  2 Peter 3:8-9, Psalm 90:4…there you have it walkabout.
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:54pm
  To quote Broun:
  “I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them.” Note that he is specific about the six days — “…as we know them.”
  
  The man is a fool.
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:59pm
  For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
  Psalm 90:4
  
  2 Peter 3:8—‘one day is like a thousand years’
  
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- Walkabout
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:08pm
  Seabass82
  
  thx
  
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- OccamsSword
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:53pm
  I would appreciate the proof of that older than 9,000 yr statement…you got it , I want it.
  
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iahp_mom
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:17am
Good for him. It’s nice to see a politician that speaks their mind without concern about how it will play to the public.

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:32am
  Did you see that he was running unopposed?
  
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THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:11am
Amen and Amen

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kickagrandma
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:11am
Good for you, Congressman. Stay true to the TRUTH!
GOD BLESS AND PROTECT IN JESUS’ NAME!

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:34am
  Notice that when you type you type in caps about Jesus.
  
  Reminds me of the Muslims who yell “ALLAHU ACKBAR!”
  
  You religious people are nut jobs.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Moderation…..Good day….It perplexes me, the extent you go through, 4-5 comments this morning, wasting heart beats, on stuff you don’t believe in. Don’t you have better things to do with your time? Seems you are religiously curious, otherwise you would be out raking leaves with the rest of the atheist…… By the way, to the congressman’s point there is no telling how long the first 7 day were when the heavens and earth were made, sun wasn’t made till 4th day, first few days could have been millions or billions of our years long. God Bless
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:02pm
  @TRACTORBOY
  
  I wonder why you use the word “believe”
  
  My viewpoint on Christianity or religion has nothing to do with “Belief” or “believing” anything.
  
  The evidence for Christianity, and religion is so preposterous that I think their claims are silly. I don’t need to “believe” that everything you people say is garbage because you have provided such weak evidence for your case that the only way I could accept what you say is to disregard rational thought and “believe” it. Sorry, but I”m just not interested in doing that.
  
  So as you see, it has nothing to do with “belief.”
  
  That being said, my whole point with this article is that we have a guy in our congress(and many more like him no doubt) that accepts thing that are outright silly AND also says that he uses the Bible to determine how he will vote on legislation.
  
  So when people say, “why do you go after religious people, they aren’t doing anything to harm anybody. I don’t impose my religious belief on anybody” I can point to lunatics like this, who despite living in the United States, force other people to live by the standards they think their Bible sets.
  
  Despite him living in his own delusional world, he sits on the board of science, space and technology while you have guys like Todd Akin who sit on the house science committee who says, “women have a way to shut that whole thing down if it’s a legitimate rape.”
  
  It’s downright preposterous.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 1:03pm
  Tractorboy, the bible specifies LITERAL DAYS and Paul Broun said nothing of millions of years, he literally meant 9000 Gregorian calendar years. Moderation isn’t wasting his time on stuff he doesn’t believe in. He believes whole heatedly you people are lunatics and I’m inclined to agree.
  
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- djpeyton21
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 2:21pm
  Tractor- You’re right. The Bible says that the sun appeared on the 4th day of creation. There was light on the first however, which clearly shows that there is another light source(God) that is around before the sun. And notice what is said about the sun and moon: “They will serve as signs for festivals and for days and years” (Genesis 1:14). Now evolution puts the sun’s creation before the earth’s which is backwards from what the Bible teaches therefore putting them in areas of conflict.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:07pm
  Good day to you also Pontiaku, thank you for joining the discussion. It doesn’t matter if Paul Broun mentions the calendar years the way I have, I’m just telling it the way it was told to me by our pastor and the Quest study Bible, I’m no expert, but eager to learn, and find the bibles teaching to lead my life down a better path….. If I’m a lunatic, I’m in good company….coming from my prospective I could say the same about you, evidence of God’s handywork surrounds us, example, go outside at night and look out at the endless universe, what does the universe float in? Maybe your a science guy, how about the first law of physics,” matter can not be created or destroyed ” OK fine, then where did it come from in the first place? I say God.
  
  Moderation….Shall I leave all the small ttttt’s or crosses out so you don’t get uncomfortable? I’m sorry to tell you the bible has been a influence on the people who have run this represenative republic from the start, and I think it has served us well, it seems when the country or culture gets in trouble it’s when we turn or back on God. Maybe if they had a ACLU or FFR back at the founding of this country, then we probably wouldn’t be allowed to have this discussion….I have a feeling you can’t come to terms with either side on this…hence why you spend so much time here… what you have learned about science, from man, doesn’t make complete sense nor does what your being told about God. God bless friends
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:57pm
  @TRACTORBOY
  
  If you can’t decipher which side of this debate I am on then apparently you have poor reading comprehension.
  
  Religion = Poison
  Faith = Stupidity
  Worship = subjugation
  
  Christianity teaches that all humans are born worthy of an eternal torture, and that by only accepting a human sacrifice could they be saved from this torture.
  
  That is EVIL teaching.
  
  Unlike you, I don’t think you deserve an eternal torture and wouldn’t want you subjected to one. I also think highly enough of you that if you actually had to witness such torture, that you would scream out in horror and no longer worship a so called “loving” being.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:14pm
  [how about the first law of physics,]
  I don’t know what the “first law of physics” is.
  
  [“matter can not be created or destroyed”]
  The law of conservation of energy states that “energy” can be neither created nor destroyed. However, energy can change forms. Maybe that is what you were implying.
  
  [OK fine, then where did it come from in the first place?]
  There are more than a few theories, here’s one such theory
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvWrI_oQjY
  
  [I say God.]
  “Anything you don’t understand, Mr. Rankin, you attribute to God. God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it.”–Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan’s “Contact”
  
  Turn your mind on Tractorboy. The universe is much more fascinating than bronze age myths invented by tribal cult leaders.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:37pm
  Moderation……If God is just so evil why doesn’t he just go back to old testament times and flush the earth of all humans? why wait……. He (God) sent a pc. of himself, Jesus, Jesus was the lamb, hence no lamb at the last supper, also no more animal sacrafices, it’s Gods new deal with us humans, God loved us so much, he sent Jesus to do this job. It was man’s sin that spits in God’s eye by killing Jesus, God understands we are sinners, that is why we have a way out, through God’s grace he will let us live eternity at his side if we choose Jesus as our lord and savior……If you loved this act God has done for us, in return you will try to act like his son the only one to walk the earth without sin, that we call worship……..All good teachings…..Don’t know about you but I don’t want to go into it too much but I had a tough time in my life with something……and I prayed to God for his help, lots of times in life the answer was no, but this was kind of life or death, and he came through big, and I am greatfull…..that my friend is God’s love……God bless
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:30pm
  Pontiaku…….I know the theories of man to try to explain our lives, and the universe, key word theory, you can also say the bronze age story of God’s message is a theory, so what does that say about what you are saying? Just because it’s being said today makes it true and something that’s old isn’t true? And you quote a doctor for what he thinks about the subject of God, doctors are always right?….. My man….. when I talk religion I’m talking Christanity, not the others, so when you talk of tribes I’m with you those are false, teachings. If your curious, read the Bible from the beginning God created it all, earth, moon, sun, stars, everything that walks, swims, crawls on the earth, and the heavens, also means you, me and the scientists and doctors.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:17pm
  @TRACTORBOY
  
  I don’t think you realize how wicked you sound.
  
  How am I implicated in this?
  
  I wasn’t there when Adam and Eve supposedly “sinned” and I wasn’t there when Jesus was supposedly crucified. Yet I’m somehow still responsible for this?
  
  Your religion, like others, poisons minds and tells humans that they are born evil and worthy of an eternal, and only by accepting an immoral act(sacrificing a human) can we be saved from such torture.
  
  It’s disgusting that people can accept this nonsense and it’s downright laughable and sad that people accept it, WHILE calling it moral teaching.
  
  It’s not moral to accept a human sacrifice on your behalf.
  
  The difference between me and you is.
  
  If I were there when they drove in the nails, I would try with everything to stop it from happening. I would say, “no, i don’t want this done on my behalf. It’s wicked and it’s evil.”
  
  If you were there you would be saying, “no, this has to be done for all of our sake. Without this human sacrifice, we are all doomed to an eternal torture that we were born with.”
  
  I will NEVER accept a human sacrifice on my behalf and I will never worship anything, much less a being that creates a system in which humans are born evil and then demanded to accept a sinister act on their behalf to accept an eternal punishment that the being created.
  
  Not only is it stupidity, it’s wicked and I can’t wait for the day when God and Jesus, Muhammed, etc join the ranks of Zeus
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:41pm
  [If God is just so evil why doesn’t he just go back to old testament testament times and flush the earth~]
  So you admit that was an act of evil?
  
  [it’s Gods new deal with us humans]
  Wow what a deal…
  
  [he sent Jesus to do this job]
  Oh yes, god impregnates a 12 year old virgin to give birth to himself to save ourselves from himself. And doing it in one region of the planet completely isolating the rest of the world and its people for centuries from this “new deal”. What a fair and caring god.
  
  [he will let us live eternity at his side if we choose Jesus as our lord and savior]
  An eternity by his side sounds awful dull. And an eternity with “Christians” sounds like hell.
  
  [that my friend is God’s love]
  No, that my friend is anecdotal nonsense.
  
  [you can also say the bronze age story of God’s message is a theory,]
  No, you can’t. See scientific theory and theological mythology aren’t on the same level so stop trying to elevate your myths to the level of science.
  
  [so when you talk of tribes I’m with you those are false,]
  Sorry but the Israelites were a “tribe”. Your religion is just as easy to invalidate as any other.
  
  [If your curious, read the Bible from the beginning God created it all,]
  And right from the get go you have a heaping load of superstitious absurdities.
  
  ModerationIsBest, we’re not dealing with a full deck of cards here… Years of endorphin/dopamine releases have severely warped their sense of reality…
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:55pm
  @PONTIAKU
  
  Lol, I love it.
  
  It absolutely boggles my mind that they accept the stuff in the Bible and the stuff that gets preached to them. What’s even more pitiful is that they accept it AND think that it’s moral.
  
  The icing on the cake is that they can’t accept that people can have a full understanding of their viewpoint, and don’t get the same outcome.
  
  When I show the brutality, evilness and downright wicked teaching that they follow, I get told “well you just don’t understand!”
  
  No the problem is that I DO understand, and have come to a different conclusion then them. It is they who don’t seem to understand what it is they really accept.
  
  For instance, look in the article on here about the pastors who preached politics today.
  
  In it, I said that Christianity deals with accepting a human sacrifice in order to be saved from an eternal torture that God created.
  
  I then got called “ignorant” and that “Christians NEVER tell anybody that they’re born worthy of an eternal torture” and that “human sacrifice was only performed by the aztecs and has nothing to do with the Bible.”
  
  It’s this kind of mindless dribble that makes me wonder if they actually understand what they claim to believe.
  
  They willingly say that Jesus had to die in order to save themselves from an eternal torture. That a human had to be sacrificed in order for humanity to be saved….yet they say ,”what human sacrifice!?”
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:33pm
  Yo Mod:
  You got 50 thousand mean spirited posts here …
  Did you have a bad week ?
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:22pm
  Moderation and Poniaku………It’s been a blast…..no minds have been changed here, no surprise….
  One of the things I do pray for daily is to be patient, you boys are like teenagers….maybe you are, good for you…..I used to like to start trouble in my youth…..sometimes I still do….I get it……Good day gentlemen God Bless {James 3}
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:30pm
  @4TRUTH2ALL
  
  Wait, I’m the mean spirited one here?
  
  You are the people who saying that humanity is born worthy of an eternal torture and that only by accepting a human sacrifice can they avoid that torture.
  
  I, on the other hand have more hope for you guys. I honestly think that if you had to view people being tortured eternally, that you would cry out in horror and no longer worship a being that would create a system that would subject people to such an outcome.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:52pm
  @tractorboy
  Because having an “imaginary friend” makes you the adult… Right…
  
  @ModerationIsBest
  Well I guess it isn’t much of a “sacrifice” for a god (or a conman) to die knowing they’re not really going to “die”. And to do it for sin? In other words if you don’t sin he died for nothing. XD
  
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- 4truth2all
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:56pm
  Yo Mod:
  
  Give me a break with the innocent stuff …It’s getting late if this story is up tomorrow I will respond to you with an explination … fact is you DO NOT understand the truth and your own words prove it, but your pride blinds you to this fact …I’ve said this before … inspite of your mockery of my faith and my “Father” I really don’t hate you but I do dispise your words sometimes. “Luckly’ christians are called to love those that do this … is that dribble to you also ?
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:55pm
  @4TRUTH2ALL
  
  I was obviously making a point to say that I wasn’t there when Adam sinned and I wasn’t there when Jesus supposedly died.
  
  Christianity is even more evil it says, no, you are implicated in this no matter what.
  
  Therefore, all humans are born worthy of an eternal torture regardless of how they live their life and can only avoid torture by accepting a human sacrifice.
  
  That is EVIL preachment.
  
  You say “Christians are called….” so are you saying you wouldn’t be the way you are if you weren’t a Christian?
  
  I’m not a Christian, yet I hold no ill will towards you. I, like you with me, disagree with a lot of your viewpoints on life, but I would have no problem being your friend. As long as you’re a nice person in general, I can enjoy a friendship with you. The only thing is that I’m not “called” by anything to be the way I am.
  
  I inherently don’t like seeing other people in pain. I don’t like being mean to other people(I view what we hare on here as disagreements, I hold no greater grudge against anybody).
  
  The main difference between me and you is
  
  You think I(and everybody else) was born worthy of an eternal torture, and that by only accepting a human sacrifice on our behalf can we escape a torture.
  
  I don’t think you(or anybody else) were born worthy of an eternal torture and if there were a being that created such a system, I wouldn’t think it was “loving” and would fight against its wickedness.
  
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SolitudeBliss
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:10am
Where do I check in my BRAIN???

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- mike551
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:21am
  At the DNC headquarters. DUH IMPEACH THE MUSLIM OBAMA NOW!!!!
  
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- nevergofullpotato
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:53pm
  you check it in when you join the tea party or republican party. that’s where the rest of the idiot christians on this thread go to turn in theirs.
  
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