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Religious Leaders Nationwide Defy the IRS to Endorse Political Candidates on ‘Pulpit Freedom Sunday’

Oct. 7, 2012 4:40pm Erica Ritz

Click here to read TheBlaze’s Billy Hallowell’s background report on the history of “Pulpit Freedom Sunday.”

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Today, more than 1,000 religious leaders all across the country are acting in defiance of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and endorsing political candidates from the pulpit. In 1954 the tax code was amended to say that tax-exempt organizations– like churches– are prohibited from making political endorsements, but many are apparently done being silent.

The issue has people torn for several reasons. Even if they don’t appreciate the IRS controlling religious speech, many are grateful for the break from politics that church provides. Some say, depending on their political views, that they’re simply uninterested in hearing a politically-charged sermon on universal healthcare, or that they don’t want their religious leaders telling them how to vote. Others say it’s a violation of our religious liberties for pastors not to be able to speak on the pressing matters of the day.

Religious Leaders Defy the IRS and Endorse Political Candidates on Pulpit Freedom Sunday

(Photo: Getty Images)

The Religion News Service relates:

“Every pastor and every church has the right to decide what their pastor preaches from the pulpit and to not have that dictated to them by the IRS,” said Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for the Arizona-based Alliance Defending Freedom, formerly the Alliance Defense Fund.

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Today’s parishioners, he said, are starving for religious leaders to act as “the moral compass of society.” [Pastor Jim Garlow] said he’s witnessed pastors who boldly speak on political issues receive standing ovations.

Garlow, a pastor at Skyline Church in California, is one of the religious figures spearheading the event. He explained for FoxNews.com: “If I would have said 50 years that ‘Tearing up a baby in the womb is a bad thing,’ people would have said ‘Of course it is’…But If I said that today, people would say ‘Pastor, you’re being too political.’”

Here is a promotional video for Pulpit Freedom Sunday:

Wayne Grudem– who is also participating in the event– compiled a list of 24 differences between the political parties with a strong moral component, ranging from individual liberties to executive power.

He explained in a Christian Post article that he likely won’t make a habit of discussing politics, but feels it must be done today:

I fully understand that many pastors might never want to endorse a candidate from the pulpit (I have never done so before and I might never do so again). But that should be the decision of the pastors and their churches, just as it was in 1860 when many pastors (rightly) decided they had to tell citizens to vote for Abraham Lincoln in order to end the horrible evil of slavery. When the government censors what pastors can preach, I think it is an unconstitutional violation of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

Gina Loudon reportedly gives a run-down on the political candidates at Skyline Church (Photo: Twitter/@jsnbieber)

So what do the participating religious leaders hope to accomplish?

According to reports, they plan on recording their sermons and sending them to the IRS with the hope the IRS will actually take the matter to court. In the past, the IRS has apparently issued threats and notices, but typically stops short of legal action. Experts say this is because a judge is likely to rule the case unconstitutional, thereby lifting the burden on religious organizations.

Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom, explained: “[The IRS prefers] to put out these vague statements and regulations and enforce it through a system of intimidation … Pastors are afraid to address anything political from the pulpit.”

But some of the movement’s strongest detractors, like gay rights activist Rev. Susan Russell, claim it is all an excuse to “jam theocracy down throats.” Others call this particular fight for religious freedom “bogus,” saying it is really the religious liberties of Muslim-Americans that we should be worried about.

Comedian Stephen Colbert summarized the day as a way to endorse “Mitt Romney — or not Obama.”

What do you think?

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Comments (250)

Eastinfection
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:26pm
This is a non- issue to me.

If you, as a pastor, think you can do more for your congregation’s welfare by endorsing a candidate, than you can from your tax-exempt status then, by all means do so.
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- The-Monk
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:32pm
  Hi Eastinfection,
  
  Did you miss one of my Monk stories over here?
  
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/thought-it-was-a-mistake-on-the-sign-california-gas-prices-officially-hit-all-time-high/
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:44pm
  Hey Monk…
  sure did. was “blaze-fasting” yesterday.
  
  Lol… reminded me of one Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville… ; )
  
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- snixy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:25pm
  what is the big deal? New Orleans Black Churches pull candidates up to the pulpit and give them a blessing – then bad mouth the other guy saying he is the devil. Black political candidates boldly send out flyers saying that they will be speaking Sunday night at 7 pm at such and such church – the pastors here drive the big church yellow bus around picking up the members to take them to vote – this has been going on the 45 years I have been watching – no IRS ever called them out about it
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:44pm
  @SNIXY
  
  Don’t approve of it either way and i’d hardly justify my own actions based on the examples set forth by corrupt black churches.
  
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- db321
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:01pm
  Are you being a Coward – do you have a Romney / Paul Bumper sticker on your car or a Yard Sign up? “Probably Not!” The Media has you afraid.
  
  I put mine up yesterday and I looked over and saw my next door neighbor giving me a thumbs up. I’m going to get him a sign tomorrow.
  
  The Media is going to start telling you soon that Obama has this election won and you are going to give up and stay at home on election day. STOP with the loser mentality and wake up. You need to get out and vote.
  
  So the next time you here someone say – I don’t know if Romney can win. You take a deep breath and shout it from the roof top – “NOT IF YOU DON’T GET YOUR LAZY ARZ OUT TO VOTE! Blow his/her wig off.
  
  GET A YARD SIGN AND PUT IT UP BUNCH OF COWARDS!
  
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- justangry
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:05pm
  What if I think Romney, Ryan and Obama are dicks?
  
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- whatthecrazy
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:55pm
  @just angry YOU forgot biden?
  
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- American Soldier (Separated)
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:47pm
  Every single one of them should lose their tax exemption status immediately.
  
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- khadijahbintmuhammad
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:52pm
  There is no risk of churches being taxes. First, tying the tax deduction to a restriction on free speech is most likely unconstuttional. Second, it is not at all a settled issue that DONATIONS are INCOME.
  
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- Wayner
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:09pm
  “Reverend” Jesse Jackson has a show that comes on one of the religious broadcasting networks weekly… Once or twice during periods of boredom, I’ve endured watching his show to see if he would by chance mention the name of Jesus Christ. Guess what? Not once…. And how’s about Obama sitting under the political endoctrination of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years? Of couse Obama had cotton wads jammed in those big ears so as not to be influenced by anything he heard.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:10pm
  Hi Justangry,
  “What if I think Romney, Ryan and Obama are dicks?”
  
  I’m not going to touch that one with a 10′ pole….
  
  Measure twice and cut once.
  
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- tipofthespear42
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:46am
  I believe WE can ALL remember Oprey and Obummers own Rev. Wright saying “not GOD BLESS AMERICA, but GOD**** AMERICA!!!! We will NO LONGER tolerate their HYPOCRISIES!!!!
  
  Coptic Christian Churches were targeted, shot at and burned yesterday in EGYPT, and many other places in the middle east and beyond!! We are being THREATENED DAILY,………WE WILL NOT SIT SILENTLY BY ANY LONGER!! GOD IS ON “OUR” SIDE,…SO,…. SPEAK FROM THE PULPIT AND LET “HIM” SPEAK THROUGH YOU,….(even if it’s after services)!!
  
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- Chuck Stein
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:43am
  @ American Soldier (separated): If that is what you believe, then your course of action would seem to be a letter to Treasury Secretary demanding that the Johnson Amendment be enforced. I would like to see what a court would do to the IRS for trying to enforce an unconstitutional law. Or . . . maybe you are right. Odd that IRS has been so timid, though. They sure are not known for their easy-going nature.
  
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- chucksue351
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:22am
  when they get so big that they are in it for the money then they should be taxed as any other business, keep it simple stupid
  
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- Leadthemtothelight
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:01am
  Freedom of speech. I am sure that we know who Rev. Wright will be preaching in favor of.
  
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- StonyBurk
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:15am
  I find it a non-issue as well– And I equally find it worthy of a citizens opposition to bad Law to oppose what Congress was led to support by agreeing to LBJ’s proposal. The issue is the Government and its NGO like the IRS ought have NO power to interfere with the Pulpit. I find First Chief Justice John Jay most helpful from his letters to Rev. Dr.Morse, Aug.1809 (Speaking of a proper history of the United States where he speaks of the United States as a nation “filled with civilized and Christian people.”
  Or the letter to Rev. Dr. Morse Jan 1813 “whether our religion permits Christian voters to vote for infidel rulers,is a question which merits more consideration that it seems yet to have generally received ,either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me ,that what the prophet said to Jehosaphat about his attachment to Ahab,* Shouldst thou help the ungodlly ,and love them that hate the Lord!” -
  2 Chron.xix.2 affords a salutary lesson on another interesting topic. Although the mere expediency
  of public measures may not be a proper subject for the pulpit,yet ,in my opinion ,it is the right and duty of our pastors to press the observance of all moral and religious duties,and to animadvert on every course of conduct which may be repugnant to them. ” And the letter to John Murray Junior ,Oct. 1816 -these ought be our guide.NOT the IRS/nor Fraud perpetrated.
  
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- TEARS FOR AMERICA
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:25am
  Ridiculous, Infection (ewwww). A pastor can lead his congregation without endorsing ANY candidate…it is not about the candidate but about the PRINCIPLES that we follow as Christians, that is all.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:42am
  Hmmmm, I must have missed that clause in the 1st amendment, where we get free speech and freedom of religion, unless you are a pastor of a church, then it does not apply to you.
  
  Where did the founding fathers ever insinuate that a preacher could not talk about politics?
  
  Here is where it gets slippery. Lets say that right before an election, my pastor stood up and showed where the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin (Lev 18:22), where abortion is murder (Jer 1:5) or where welfare is wrong (2 Thes 3:10), where we are to support Israel (Gen 12) and gave a Biblical definition of marriage (Gen 2:24). Without ever mentioning “Obama”, his Biblican message would clearly let you know that you can not support Obama and vote for him, and be alligned with the Bible. Would this be a violation of the IRS:
  
  No one gets excited about the REVEREND Sharpton and Jackson when they back up Obama.
  
  This is just another law geared toward silencing the Christian conservative.
  
  You can not in any way vote democrat with a clear conscience if you are a Christian. They democrats have shown themselves to be anti Bible on just about every issue.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:42am
  @TEARS…
  
  Thank You for restating exactly what i wrote, claiming it for your own, and pretending it contradicts my assertion in some way.
  
  @RANGER…
  
  IRS 1954 tax code AKA the “Johnson Amendment”: prohibits tax-exempt organizations, such as churches, from making political endorsements. The law states it is illegal for churches that receive tax-exempt status from the federal government to intervene in “any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.”
  
  This law is nothing new and was enacted 58 yrs ago, when the majority of lawmakers open and out-spoken in their support of Christianity. I do agree that there is a double- standard when it comes to enforcement. Also 1st Amendment is irrelevant here. No Pastor is going to jail for what they say in church.
  
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- JRook
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:19am
  “Every pastor and every church has the right to decide what their pastor preaches from the pulpit and to not have that dictated to them by the IRS” Perhaps but then every pastor should not expect their church to enjoy its tax free status. Even without this requirement churches should have to show they provide tangible benefit to the community. That is beyond their members.
  
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- JRook
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:22am
  What would be really useful is for erica to do a report on the orthodox temples in Brooklyn and how many of their members claim no assets as the temple “owns” them. The lack of assets then being used to qualify for all types of government programs like Medicaid. I worked throughout Brooklyn and seen several upstate communities that provide house families with 10 or more kids who enjoy a number of welfare programs, yet appear to have very nice housing, cars and money to spend.
  
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- rangerskippy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:23am
  @East
  
  I am well aware of the law, and it is not coincidence that it came from the socialist Johnson. While it may be a law, it is not in alignment with our constitution. Thus the reason the IRS does not want it to go to court. They would just as soon try to strong arm people with it, because they know if it goes to the Supreme Court, they will lose their ability to apply it.
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:52am
  @RANGER..
  
  If this law were tossed… what would stop those in power from purposefully allocating funds to churches for the sole purpose of influencing elections? Left- leaning churches would become pseudo- unions in that regard.
  I think this is a good law. I don’t want my Pastor to ever mention a candidate by name, or tell me who they think i should vote for. If the tenets of the church are taught and understood, those things ought to take care of themselves.
  
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- Jim in Houston
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:28am
  What’s new about supporting candidates from the pulpit? Black churches have been doing this forever.
  
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- RebelPatriot
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:59am
  Separation of Church and state means just that. How does the government have any right to dictate what is spoken about in a Church. We teach every weekend that abortion is murder. I don’t see us losing our tax exempt status for that? If it’s legal and someone speaks out against it from the pulpit is that not political.
  
  This tax code is nothing more than a hoax by those who wish to control people through tyranny.
  
  The Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Reverend Al Sharpton don’t have a church, or do they? The have a nation wide church they preach to everyday. What type of tax exempt status do these two men enjoy. When they are paid to appear on television does that money go into a tax exempt church account? They most definitely are always speaking of political concerns, so I would think not.
  
  For the rest of you numskulls who will sit back and allow the progressive socialist to attack Christianity just remember one thing. We are usually the first group, but never the last group identified as a problem.
  
  It’s about time the Christians in this nation stood up and voiced our opinions on a political scale, which starts at the polling stations on November 6th.
  
  If you don’t appreciate your Judeo-Christian environment and think you need another, back your bags. I have a ticket for you.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:20pm
  Jrook I am very relieved that men with ideas like yours are not in positions of power.
  
  Have you ever heard the phrase “poorer than a church”? Churches barely scrape by on donations. That’s their only source of income, is how generous people feel. Even the monolithic Catholic church nears dipping into the red.
  
  1. You want to tax churches, which I just reasoned would BANKRUPT many of them. I’m supposing that is the point of taxing them, though. The power to tax is the power to destroy.
  
  2. Exercising your first amendment is not taxable. You can stand on a soapbox, scream at people, and nobody is going to slap you with a fine. If they do, that person will be slapped with an ever bigger edict; violating your 1st amendment rights.
  
  (which Jrook doesn’t seem keen on if churches exercise them. If so, then he should have no issue if other people take away HIS right to post on the blaze.)
  
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- Palmer1943
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:40pm
  Absolutely, you are Guaranteed a Free pass by DOJ Eric Holder. Standard practice to violate federal laws. The main thing is that you achieve your own personal views. To Hell with the law, choose radical ideology at all costs. If not you can always riot and murder for your own reasoning and beliefs. Yes indeed. The anointed one seems to have made quite the impression on what it means to be a American. Well stated Comrade.
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:09pm
  Chuck Baidwin DID,and continues to do so. HE is one of the FEW who did give up his 501C3 status to stand up for truth. Better LATE to the Party of TRUTH, than not at all!
  
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- chicago76
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:20pm
  I am not real sure what you are saying but the fact is the power to tax has and always will be the power to destroy. Johnson(that old monster) knew that when he created that law. I have been amazed for 45 years that that monster LBJ has been lost in the mists of time and what he did to our country. LBJ was a cruel and spiteful person who hated anyone who got in his way. He was vindictive, self-serving, and in the end steeped in madness. Only a madman would make the goal of winning a war a body count. Only a madman would send our boys into a jungle, tell them to kill all the enemy they could find in a land where everyone is a potential enemy, but try to be nice guys. It is the same madness of Obama in Afghan right now. LBJ was a mad monster.
  
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- chicago76
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:25pm
  East infection, you are a yeast infection. You have no clue, so you must be a liberal/socialist. After I re-read your statement I realized you are not worth the time to disagree with.
  
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- damon_k
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:40pm
  The tax exempt law is a joke because they want to hold the curches to it while allowing Liberal organizations like the NAACP slide. Read more insights at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- kaydeebeau
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:18pm
  @ infection – so we have to pay taxes in order to exercise free speech? Is that your premise? How is it that there has always been a tax exemption for the church in this country since our founding? How is it that the 1st Amendment was designed to keep the government out of the church – Hint king of England and head of the church of England – same guy. Head of Iran and head of “religion” in Iran – same guy. Black Robe regiment in US pwerful force for our break with England.
  
  You leftists really need to learn the Truth and stop regurgitaing the blah blah blah of a few mindless, goons
  
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- jwt
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:15pm
  the church would rather cow tow to the goverment, most are licenced by the state for marrage
  
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- TheWatchmanSeeth
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:22pm
  Anyone who has a disciplined prayer and devotional life automatically knows that Obama’s policies are anti-christian, just because I sleep in the garage doesnt make me a car.
  
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blackyb
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:23pm
The state needs to stay out of the church is the correct understanding of this. They are getting into church business under the guise that church is getting into state business. It is a lie from hell. They do not want people to assemble and agree as to what is going on in this country.

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- mamatango
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:00pm
  Our RIGHTS and LIBERTIES come from God, not from man’s government! One day HE will be our government!
  
  Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and THE GOVERNMENT shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:7 Of the increase of HIS GOVERNMENT and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
  
  Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy GOVERNMENT into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. Isa 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
  
  2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise (God’s) GOVERNMENT Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities (majesty/the absolute perfection of the deity).
  
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- MetalPatriot
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:29pm
  That’s right BlackyB.
  
  I’ve been praying for a long time now that our pastor would give the message he finally did today. Thank God.
  
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- kent grotz
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:26am
  Somewhere a long time ago I was taught ‘ONE NATION UNDER GOD”. If judges can rule for Sharia law in some places,what is wrong with Christian pastors telling their people their truth? Does Rev. Wright, or Al Sharpton worry about the IRS?
  
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- kent grotz
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:48am
  The 1st amendment should rule. When Rev. Wright and Rev. Jackson can speak out, why not all the other Pastors?
  
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Baja
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:22pm
Obamunism and Chrstianity simply are not compatible PERIOD!

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- LeadNotFollow
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:36pm
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  Amen!
  
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- RepubliCorp
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:47pm
  Unless you are part of the brotherhood…… then you can say and do as you please
  
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- starman70
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:53pm
  Remember, it was the Black Rlobe Regiment who led the fight against the British before the Revolutionary War. They preached against the tyranny coming from England.
  
  Today, we have tyranny coming from Washington. Every preacher who truly concerned about the cesspool America is becoming because of the edicts from this administration needs to speak out. We will hopefully have a revolution, not on the field of battle but at the ballot box.
  
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ModerationIsBest
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:19pm
@SENECA

Wow, where to begin? I watch both MSNBC and Fox News. I read both the Wall Street Journal and Huffington Post at times. I watch debates featuring religious people and non religious people.

I read books by Atheists, and Christians, and scientists and philosophers.

All I see people on here mention is the Bible, Glenn Beck and Fox News and right wing nut jobs.

“As an obviously non-Christian individual your first reaction is to insult, then to try and ridicule”

I’m not entirely sure what you mean when you say “as a non Christian.” I’m not sure if it was your intent to try to come across as if Christians don’t insult or ridicule people. If so, you must not read posts on here.

I always draw the line when it comes to someone’s death. I can’t say the same for the “Christians” on here who just recently said they felt “no sympathy” for a black guy who got killed and that his family should be forced to pay the bill for the damages.

With that one family died in a hurricane while they were praying, I didn’t come on here and insult them, or their family or say they got what they deserved.

When Rodney King was found dead, you didn’t see any let up from the people on here.

Also, you say my first reaction is to “insult.”

All of religion insults me. You people say all human beings are born worthy of an eternal torture, and only by accepting a human sacrifice can they be “saved.”

And you call me “insulting?”

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:08pm
  “All of religion insults me”
  enough said
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:27pm
  MODERATIONISBEST
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:19pm
  All of religion insults me. You people say all human beings are born worthy of an
  eternal torture, and only by accepting a human sacrifice can they be “saved.”
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  Your ignorance is beyond measure. Ive never heard ANY christian state that
  “human beings are born worthy of an eternal torture” nor has God ever stated
  such. Furthermore, “accepting a human sacrifice” was something that took
  place in the Aztec empire, but it never was a condition for anything Biblical.
  
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- Malrick
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:30pm
  I remember the political comics page when Reagan died, maybe some liberals don’t throw jabbs when someone dies, but just because you don’t doesn’t mean your side doesn’t. nor if someone makes a joke is it an indictment on the entire right. Moderationisbest, if you name were factual you’d be the Romney fan here, because Obama is an over the cliff leftist, and Romney is a bit mushy, but all wars are ultimately attrition.
  
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- jujubeebee
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:50pm
  You are pretty wide on the judgements, aren’t you?
  There are trolls out there who pretend to be on the other side and plant themselves in enemy territory and do their dirty work.
  You come on here and brag about how wide your field of knowlege is that you listen to both sides. Others do too. You are an arogant a*s.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:28pm
  @BODYBAG
  
  You’ve clearly never heard of original sin then which many Christians in the US(and many on here) accept.
  
  It says that all humans are born sinful and worthy of hell, and that only by accepting Jesus’s sacrifice can they be saved from such torture.
  
  So please spare me the “ignorant” crap when you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
  
  Christians accept a human sacrifice on their behalf(Jesus’s) to save their alleged “souls”
  
  It’s flat out wicked that you people accept that as morality.
  
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- YAHUSHUAHRULES
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:47pm
  Not a mere human. The Almighty made a covenant with man; man broke that covenant, man was given free will and could not keep his part. The only way for man to be capable of keeping the covenant was for God Himself to become a man and keep it. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ – YAHUSHUAH was God Almighty in the form of a man fulfilling all righteousness – which entitled him to eternal life, but as the suffering servant and the kinsman redeemer he laid his life down for his friends (those that would accept the free gift of salvation), took the penalty for all sin, and gave His righteousness – He became all our sin and that sin was nailed to a cross 2000 years ago and the Blood shed is timeless; it reaches back and cleanses from the first Adam and into the future of any and all yet to born. One sacrifice. Yah is a Holy God, yes He is Love but He is also Righteousness and there had to be atonement for sin or there could not be restoration. If we could do as we pleased and there was no reckoning the earth would be darker then it is, moral chaos and anarchy and mankind’s wickedness would annihilate him . But there is a God, He gave His only Begotten Son who chose to be the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. Don’t take the gift given lightly. Scripture says that the mind of man is enmity to God. If you would really seek after truth with an open heart and a humble spirit you will find it. The cross was a triumph. Yahushuah is God and is alive forever more -
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:09am
  @YAHUSHUAHRULES
  
  How can someone be “given” free will as you claim?
  
  You either have free will or you don’t. It can’t be “given.”
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:07pm
  Mod. Still trying to stir up problems I see.
  
  When it isn’t granted onto you by yourself, it is given.
  
  (Whether the process of this begins 6 thousand or 6 billion years is irrelevant)
  
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kvan
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:16pm
I’ve never understood the reason for this law in the first place. I don’t see how Freedom of Speech in a Church is in any way a violation of what the First Amendment to the Constitution says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. As far as I can tell a Minister in a Church talking about current affairs is not the same as “Congress making a Law”.

There are Churches all across the United States that talk politics regularly and I’ve never seen any news stories about any of them be bothered by the IRS, probably because they don’t want the Supreme Court to hear any case pertaining to this violation of the 1st Amendment.

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- Mike Benton
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:22pm
  In 1954, Johnson was facing re-election to the Senate and was being aggressively opposed by two non-profit anti-Communist groups that were attacking Johnson’s liberal agenda. In retaliation, Johnson inserted language into the IRS code that prohibited non-profits, including churches, from endorsing or opposing candidates for political office. In effect, Senator Johnson used the power of the go-along Congress and the IRS to silence his opposition. Unfortunately, it worked. Some in Johnson’s staff claimed that Johnson never intended to go after churches, only the two “nonprofits” in Texas. Nevertheless, his sly amendment to the tax code affected every church in America, and it is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:23pm
  well because churches want to fall into the non-profit category and have tax advantaged status for themselves and their donors. Therefore, they have to play by IRS rules
  
  This is why i am a big fan of the flat tax. These kind of situations would not occur because there would be no corporate tax and no individual deductions
  
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:14pm
Google “the Johnson amendment” and this is what you will find about how it came about.

In 1954, Johnson was facing re-election to the Senate and was being aggressively opposed by two non-profit anti-Communist groups that were attacking Johnson’s liberal agenda. In retaliation, Johnson inserted language into the IRS code that prohibited non-profits, including churches, from endorsing or opposing candidates for political office. In effect, Senator Johnson used the power of the go-along Congress and the IRS to silence his opposition. Unfortunately, it worked. Some in Johnson’s staff claimed that Johnson never intended to go after churches, only the two “nonprofits” in Texas. Nevertheless, his sly amendment to the tax code affected every church in America, and it is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

It was wrong them and it is wrong now.

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- cykonas
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:47pm
  Well I see we have an active contingent of folks who are proficient in the arts of Googling, and cutting and pasting. It’s so great to know that I’m surrounded by the best and the brightest your generation has to offer. Peace.
  
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- Al J Zira
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:10pm
  cykonas: But is he wrong? Regardless of whether it’s cut and pasted from another site doesn’t make the point invalid.
  
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nighttrainno9
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:13pm
As our pastor said without mentioning any names, ” vote the Bible “.
Pastors really should speak out about the cesspool we call Washington DC.
Screw the IRS, we will soon be at war with them, they bought 16000
shotguns and millions of rounds of ammunition to attack you with
collecting taxes for obamacare. They are the new gestapo along with
the DHS, EPA, TSA, and all the other alphabet soup agencies.

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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:23pm
  Your post proves me right.
  
  You people want the Bible to be the law of the land and despite it being a “personal walk with Jesus” you will have no problem making laws based around your unholy book.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:30pm
  Yea
  ” Thou shall not steal” How will Moderations DEMOCRAT thieves steal Taxpayers earnings for redistribution?
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:06pm
  Nothing like churches stealing from the masses to support their delusions.
  
  “Give us money…God wants you to!”
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:06pm
  John Q. Adams, Sixth President of the United States, said, “The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes… of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.”
  
  Andrew Jackson boldly stated, “That book, Sir, is the Rock upon which our republic rests.”
  
  I’m with the founders. Screw the IRS and liberals.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 11:03pm
  You are a very sad person. Get Help. Hate destroy’s people.
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:45am
  My parish priest reminded the congreation of the doctrine and dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. He also reminded us that we must render unto God that which is God’s and unto Caeser that which is Caeser’s. The doctrine and dogma of the Church is God’s not Caeser’s. To vote against the doctrine and dogma of the Church is to willingly place your immortal soul in jeapordy.
  
  He didn’t mention any political party or candidate.
  
  I know most Protestants and athiests view this as either cultist or woefully ignorant. I don’t care.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:23pm
  I think by “vote the bible” he meant you should vote for people who extol biblical principles. If biblical principles offend you (“all religion insults me”) then I’m sorry, the conversation dries up right there because I cannot help you anyway I know.
  
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Seneca
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:09pm
Moderat… I don’t know if you’re ignorant, malicious or both. Using your logic, couldn’t we say the same about you? You “gobble down every thing (sic) their…” MSNBC, CNN, or White House official says. As an obviously non-Christian individual your first reaction is to insult, then to try and ridicule. The latter comes out of a sense of envy and loneliness. But it’s OK, come November you can start blaming all your ailments on the Republicans, since they’ll be in power. That ought to make you feel better. Godspeed.

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ModerationIsBest
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:09pm
Huh?

So wait, how does this go from my comment about religion to being an Obama supporter?

Obama went to a racist church for many years.

As did Mitt Romney.

You all go to places that preach ignorance based on bronze age myths.

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- winin2012
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:02pm
  You are ignorant if you believe the Mormon Church is or was ever racist. Look it up,. One if the reasons the early Mormons were persecuted was there hatred of slavery and that they, even Joseph Smith, spoke out against it. The early Saints helped with the Underground Railroad, fed, clothed and educated run away slaves and free black alike.
  
  Proverbs records that ” it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” You removed all doubt!
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:23pm
  Huh?
  
  Look at Mitt Romney himself
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pcw0woPX5VY
  
  Here’s Donny and Marie, some famous Mormons
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuSde2jGhm8
  
  So here you have, a racist church, and people who attended a racist church but claim that they weren’t racist and performed actions that weren’t racist.
  
  Yes, that’s entirely plausible and I’m not going to call Mitt Romney a racist, but why would you associate yourself with a group that was OVERTLY racist for so long?
  
  As I said above, a lot of times people get spoon fed this filth from their church leaders. They don’t have a rational reason for why they accept it and when asked to explain they try to play it off as “well ask an authority on the subject.”
  
  Who are these “authorities” on the subject? Backwards thinking, racist morons who are claiming they had this crap “revealed” to them through some “holy spirit” nonsense.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:36pm
  I seriously can’t wait for the day when I hear religious people say, “It was religion that fought for and secured the right for homosexuals to marry.”
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Serious question, how do you expect people to respond to your rhetoric, Mod?
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:36pm
  @THE_CABRITO_GOAT
  
  I have never made the comment that I have above.
  
  So much for rhetoric.
  
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MiCurmudgeon
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:07pm
If they pay their taxes thay are entitled to say anything they want. But if they are tax-exempt
they must not engage in politics!!!

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- Seneca
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:17pm
  Micur… Why? Is being tax exempt mentioned in the 1st Ammendment?
  
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- progressiveslayer
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:28pm
  Nope you’re wrong paying taxes has nothing to do with your right to free speech.
  
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- sodacrackers2
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:42pm
  What about the 47% who pay no taxes? Do they losetheir freedom of speech, also?
  
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- MeCpl13
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:49pm
  What about anyone who doesn’t pay their taxes? Be it welfare folks or tax cheats? Must they stay out of politics as well? There is no reason for a tax exempt organization to NOT have the right to free speech about ANYTHING. What about Planned Parenthood? They are tax exempt but they sure are political. Do they need to stop as well? Or is it just church that you have an issue with?
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 10:13pm
  If tax exempt churches can’t talk politics, then welfare recipients shouldn’t vote.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Colt, you are magnificent. Keep posting closer to the top comments, so they’re more likely to be seen.
  
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G.E.R
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:04pm
Let them pay taxes and then they can be as political as they want.

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- 101stIraqVet
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:08pm
  So what you are saying is, a high percentage of Obama supporter shouldn’t talk politics, you know, since they don’t pay taxes? Is that it?
  
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- radical1a
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:11pm
  Demwit , they do pay taxes , every member of the Church including the Preacher pay Taxes .
  
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- LeadNotFollow
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:14pm
  …
  Let’s take away the tax-exempt status from ALL non-profit organizations, who talk politics.
  Let’s see who your idea hits the hardest. That would be the freeloader minorities.
  
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- BODYBAG
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:18pm
  101STIRAQVET
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:08pm
  So what you are saying is, a high percentage of Obama supporter
  shouldn’t talk politics, you know, since they don’t pay taxes? Is that it?
  ________________________________________________
  
  Congratulations. I believe that is the strongest example I have EVER seen
  of spontaneous projected definition. You’re an artist in fact. Your reply isnt
  even in the same universe as the original posted statement.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:37pm
  Should “I wanna Bama phone” not be able to vote?
  Sort of
  
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momTEXAS
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:02pm
Black pastors have been preaching politics from the pulpit forever. They never seem to get in trouble for it. Politics shouldn’t be preached at church. If you believe in Biblical values: that God is the creator, that marriage is between a man and a woman, that unborn babies should not be aborted……then your party is clear. No one should have to tell you who to vote for.

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- Seneca
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:15pm
  Mom, the majority of pastors do not “tell you” who to vote for, however, it is the church’s responsibility to let their congregation know where the candidates stand on issues. This is necessary nowaday due to the bias of the media. Quick example, just today I was speaking to an acquaintance who was unaware that the POTUS had voted for partial birth abortion. She thought he was neutral on the issue. I don’t know if she changed her mind, but at least she is armed with 1 more piece of information to make her decision.
  
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- Kalshion
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:15pm
  @MomTexas
  
  I just was about to post the same thing; there are black churches here in Vegas that are always breaching politics and endorsing black political figures, such as Obama. Nothing has happened to THEM, so why should pastors continue to follow a tax law that isn’t even ENFORCED on the black pastors?
  
  The thing is, it’s a double standard. The IRS will enforce it on white pastors, but won’t on blacks.
  
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:01pm
If Reverend Wright (sp) can do it why not others. His recommendation was “God Dammn America. The IRS should have been on him the following Monday.

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- Want our country back
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:19pm
  Mike, you might find this very interesting. by Jerome Corsi
  
  TRINITY CHURCH MEMBERS REVEAL OBAMA SHOCKER!
  http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/print/
  ‘Matchmaker’ Rev. Jeremiah Wright ‘provided cover for gays’
  JESSE JACKSON, WRIGHT ‘ARRANGED’ OBAMA MARRIAGE
  http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/jesse-jackson-wright-arranged-obama-marriage/
  Published: 5 days ago
  
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fande3rls
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:00pm
Your proof that moderate would rather live in tryanny than upset the cart . and after reading many of your posts , Isee your truely not moderate ,but an absolute obama supporter .

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soybomb315_II
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:59pm
Protestant pastors are going to risk losing souls in order to tell their congregation to vote for a Mormon with a pro-choice record?

I dont see the logic in that, unless it is just a republican versus democrat thing

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- LeadNotFollow
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:03pm
  …
  The Mormon is way better than the Muslim.
  
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- Bob_R_OathKeeper
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:16pm
  Thank God idiots like you Soy, aren’t in charge of souls.
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:20pm
  if my pastor tries to tell me who to vote for, i am finding a different church
  
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- tbolt71
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:24pm
  I’ll vote for the Mormon over the Moron any day!!!
  
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- The Jewish Avenger
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:33pm
  I have heard MANY pastors point out how Deomcrats and Republicans lean mostly. And with that, they beg vote, but vote wisely.
  
  I have NEVER heard an “in person” pastor/father/rabbi/guru tell me who to vote for UNLESS they have been known to be pro-choice or pro-homosexual marraige and of course they gush for Obama, and because of that, no one with sense actually listens to them and feels sorry for the ones that are being tricked by them.
  
  Interesting that people on here and referring to Romney being pushed and IF THEY DO BY GOLLY ILL LEAVE AND FIND ANOTHER CHURCH!!!!
  
  Whatever….
  
  I’ve yet to hear… OH YES VOTE FOR ROMNEY IN JESUS NAME!
  But Obama… it’s gushy candy praising…
  
  So as other men of the cloth and of the Book say. know your Bible, know your responsibility and please vote.
  
  As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord
  
  and because of that, we will choose Romney over Obama ANY DAY.
  OMG 2012
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:30pm
  Instead of pastors supporting either the democrat or republican, i think this would be a more biblical approach to the republicans and democrats….
  
  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” ~ Matthew 7:23
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:45pm
  I stopped going to church. My old church was Baptist. Any recommendations, soy? I can’t stand lukewarm preachers… Where, Oh where is the Charles Spurgeon of our day….?
  
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- resme
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 8:50pm
  “Of two evils, choose neither. ~ Charles Spurgeon”
  
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- soybomb315_II
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:11pm
  @Resme
  Wish i knew the answer to that question man. I am protestant too but not thrilled about my non-denominational church. I used to go to a baptist joint but they got too big and just wanted to expand the building footprint.
  
  Personally, i have been dabbling with 7th Day Adventists for a few years. They are a good group – they are zealous for the Bible like we are zealous about the Constitution. They dont have much of a presence on the east coast so i just look at stuff online. peace
  
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- revron
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:39pm
  Soy,
  I didn’t tell people to vote for a person, I told them to vote for the principles of the Kingdom Of God and the person who best supports those principles. Rick Warren touched on 3; sanctity of life, sex and marriage. Add to that the sovereignty of Israel, with Jerusalem as its capitol. The Bible states the curses that come upon any nation that forgets God in its thinking, so if you love America, you will vote for Kingdom principles. I saw the convention where God was left off the party platform by a majority of the attendees. America is forgetting God? Not on my watch. The price tag is too high.
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:50pm
  Hi Resme,
  
  Be your own Church…
  
  I seem to remember something about the Body being the Temple of God.
  
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- revron
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 9:59pm
  Monk.
  How about the law of first mention; the first time “the house of God” is mentioned. It was Isaac’s vision of a ladder to heaven. God was present and he saw heaven opened, and he declared “this is the house of God.” What did he describe the house of God to be? The presence of God, with a worshipper on the earth and an open heaven above. No building ever mentioned. That is what I call church.
  
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:59pm
Separation of Church and State means keeping the State out of the Churches business.

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- Bob_R_OathKeeper
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:13pm
  There is no such thing as “separation of church and state” in the Constitution.
  
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- Lee_in_PA
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:36pm
  What it means is NO national religion. We are free to be whatever faith/non-faith we want. There is nothing in the Constitution that says seperation of church and state.
  
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- All Pro
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:44pm
  There is NO separation of church and state ANYWHERE in the US constitution. Try reading it
  
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- Mike Benton
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:25pm
  Bob, you are right…it is not in the Constitution, It was first mentioned as such in one letter from one of the early founders. I was referring to the concept that has become too over used by liberals who want only their ideas in the mix.
  Everyone should read the Federalist Papers.
  
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:58pm
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Black church leaders often talk politics and tell their congregations who to vote for, and the IRS never tries to take away their tax-exempt status.

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- 101stIraqVet
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:06pm
  can I get a “G*d Da*n America!”
  
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:56pm
If top union leaders can do it why not pastors?

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- S-O-B-E-R
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:27pm
  And since so many on the left have made government and unions their god, makes sense to me…
  
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:55pm
Very cheap shot about communion. You’re nuts!

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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:54pm
That’s bullsh*t and you know it.

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Mike Benton
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:53pm
This is a very poor journalistic effort. The amendment was added by Lyndon Johnson because he was mad at a particular person. I hope someone writes the whole story soon to put this thing in context.

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John 1776
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:51pm
I don’t know. Got a great priest, but he leans left. If I had to hear him go on and on about Obama, I would probably barf!

At that point, he would probably think he is “driving the demons” out of me and continue ;)

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WeaponizedAwesome
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:50pm
My pastor at Green Acres in Tyler did this today.

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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:49pm
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This explains why my Pastor announced this morning, in front of the whole congregation, that he’s a Republican and proud of it. He got a standing ovation.

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- pookieamos
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 7:06pm
  Right on , that’s great .I have a hard time figuring out how any black or white American, who believes in God and the bible , can align themselves with the Democrat party PERIOD.
  
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The-Monk
Posted on October 7, 2012 at 4:48pm
Nancy Pelosi has already endorsed this….

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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:20pm
  Monk Monk bo-monk
  Banana-fana fo-monk
  Mee-Mi-mo-monk
  …. Monk!
  
  :) ‘sup brotha?
  
  Got your story from yesterday..
  More in the dark than ever…….
  but…
  Do you have a political opinion of the “Beastie Boys”?
  
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- The-Monk
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 5:54pm
  Howdy Eastinfection,
  
  LOL… thanks for the jingle. : )
  
  “Do you have a political opinion of the “Beastie Boys”?”
  
  Nope, I don’t listen to them. I do listen to this music and yes, I’ve met him in person when he invited me backstage after a concert.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/artist/Hariprasad_Chaurasia
  
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- Eastinfection
  Posted on October 7, 2012 at 6:38pm
  Thanks Monk!
  
  That was fun… Kept waiting for him to break into “The End” by The Doors ;)
  
  Best Band on Earth:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_SUyDDhnoY&feature=related
  
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