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Fascinating NYTimes Article Details Another Excuse for Obama Debate Performance and Reveals His ‘Disdain’ for Romney

Oct. 8, 2012 1:05pm Becket Adams

“Mitt Romney personifies everything Obama hates. Romney is a rich guy. He doesn’t like violence. He doesn’t want anybody taking his stuff. All of this is precisely who Obama is,” said conservative radio talk host Rush Limbaugh earlier this month.

And as the New York Times reveals today, Limbaugh is not alone in claiming President Obama genuinely dislikes the former Massachusetts governor.

First, a little flashback. In August, Glenn Thrush’s Obama’s Last Stand: Playbook 2012 (POLITICO Inside Election 2012) included this nugget: “[Obama] began campaign preparations feeling neutral about Romney, but like the former governor’s GOP opponents in 2008 and 2012, he quickly developed a genuine disdain for the main [sic].”

“That scorn stoked Obama’s competitive fire, got his head in the game, which came as a relief to some Obama aides who had seen his interest flag when he didn’t feel motivated to crush the opposition. Obama, a person close to him told me, didn’t even feel this strongly about conservative, combative House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, the Hill Republican he disliked the most. At least Cantor stood for something, he’d say,” Thrush adds.

Now, because Limbaugh’s assertion is based on personal observations and Thrush’s insider information is based unnamed sources, one wouldn’t be wrong to take their talk of the president’s disdain with a large grain of salt. But the problem here is that, with the New York Times now chiming in, stories alleging the president’s dislike for the GOP candidate not only persist, they grow.

First, there’s also another excuse for Obama’s dismal debate performance: mainly that because he’s the president, he has many other more important things to worry about.

“Like other presidents, Mr. Obama’s debate preparations were hindered by his day job, his practice sessions often canceled or truncated because of events, advisers said. One session took place just after he addressed a service for the four Americans slain in Libya, leaving him distracted,” the Times report claims.

Then comes the reveal.

“Mr. Obama does not like debates to begin with, aides have long said, viewing them as media-driven gamesmanship. He did not do all that well in 2008 but benefited from Senator John McCain’s grumpy performances. Mr. Obama made clear to advisers that he was not happy about debating Mr. Romney, whom he views with disdain. It was something to endure, rather than an opportunity [emphasis added],” the report adds.

Again, one wouldn’t be wrong to be skeptical of the Times’ hearsay-based claim. But the fact that both the right (i.e. Limbaugh) and the left (i.e. The New York Times) have pushed the “President Obama dislikes Romney” narrative, it certainly makes you wonder.

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(H/T: WZ, Weekly Standard). Front page photo source courtesy the AP. This story has been updated.

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Comments (125)

scrudge
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:43pm
Ah Yes…. the truth comes out….. folks realize oBOZO is a JACK-ASS… a mules rear end

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- Gold Coin & Economic News
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:49pm
  There is no excuse for Obama or his pathetic debate performance. His policies are bankrupt and Ryan will beat the snot out of Biden in the VP debate the way Romney beat Obama. it will be fun to watch:
  http://www.isthatbaloney.com/?p=538
  
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- davidkolden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:01pm
  seven lies (2008?) is a record is a record even for a loser
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:18pm
  Well shape shifting Romney is distainful.
  After running for president folks STILL don’t know what he stands for – THIS WEEK.
  He has been described as CORELESS.
  He stands for nothing – but being president.
  He and Annie have no idea how most of us live.
  His healthcare plan for the 47% = go to an emergency room. Pathetic and shameful.
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:11pm
  Barry HATES Debates because he CAN’T Debate, He has NOTHING to say, w/o Teleprompters. Watch the TOWNHALL “DEBATE?” coming up. The hall will be filled with his acolytes, trying to divert the conversation from the ISSUES, to: Romney hates single women, Romney hates TOLERANCE, Romney ‘s a warmonger, Roney is a detached rich. Add some more. Watch, this will happen. The MSM, and the rest of the left will make sure they change the narrative!
  
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- EWeatherwax
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:02pm
  Verseofreason, do you ever read anything? Romney has been very clear on his positions. You can read all of them on his website. And then you can read pundits of every stripe arguing about what he means on every freaking news website out there.
  
  How anyone can say Romney hasn’t stated his positions is beyond me.
  
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- urrybr
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:37pm
  gold coin, I can hardly wait to see ol’ Joe get his **** handed to him. It will be the funniest thing on TV for the next 50 years. Ol’ Joe’s gonna be mad when a young whipper-snapper schools him on economics and government. He’s gonna be red-faced and pissed off. LOL
  
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- BCanook
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 9:56am
  Obama doesn’t like to debate, doesn’t like Romney, and sees the whole running for president thing as gamesmanship. The omnipotent one is above all of this. I hope he keeps that attitude through the debates.
  
  Verceofreason does not read, has a hard time with spelling and grammar as well.
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:07pm
  @ Coin
  
  Successful Business Man vs. Acorn Community Organizer..nuff said !!
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:18pm
  @ REASON
  His healthcare plan for the 47% = go to an emergency room. Pathetic and shameful.
  
  Obama has put these PEOPLE in this situation..
  
  and with GAS at $5.00 a gallon, and FOOD up 60%
  We will be joining the 47%.very SOON..
  All of Obama’s Policies SUCK……PLUS THE LIES !!!!..
  
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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:36pm
  Does the ‘Disdain’ from the America of Obama count ??
  
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The Gooch
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:22pm
Well, Barry, you can’t just take your basketball and go home on this one. These excuses do one thing: Enforce just how shallow Obama may actually be. Nice guilt train ticket with the “service” reference. Too much for you? Too bad, but if you wanna be POTUS (again), you damn well better be ready to sell your brand while facing down the other side.
And of course this man dislikes debate. He’s not in control. In his world, he gets to tell others what is what. A tete-a-tete negates his hokey neighbor routine. No sympathy at all.
Hey, maybe the apologists should just let us know when they’re putting the teleprompter on the ticket. We’ll still let Barry read it.
I’m praying for a swear from Obama. Lord, let it be an “F” bomb. Or maybe he’ll take a lesson from The View and stomp off. Whahhh!!!

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- HKS
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:36pm
  The democrats are flagrantly all over the news calling Romney a lire, so with that you can bet the farm that Obama is lying his behind off right now about everything and intends to do a lot more of it. That’s how democrats work, if you want to know what they are doing, look at what they are bitching about, 100% accurate every time.
  
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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:59pm
  He is STILL out there claiming Romney wants o cut taxes by 5 trillion, despite being told three or four times during the debate that it was not true. Now, he’s calling Romney a liar, because he said it wasn’t true.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:19pm
  That’s liar.
  And a proven liar.
  Obamacare IS ROMNEYCARE.
  
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- The Gooch
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:50pm
  Verce,
  I’m for legalization of all drugs. I’m not sure what your poison of choice is, but MAYBE you should consider not playing on The Blaze while indulging. Wheee!!!
  
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EveF.Destruction
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:22pm
It doesn’t matter if Romney “lied.” Either Obama was too uninformed to recognize it, or too weak to call him on it. Yeah, that’s the kind of guy I want in the White House.

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:20pm
  Yes, it does matter.
  What a silly answer.
  
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thegreatcarnac
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:15pm
Barry Soetoro-obama is a cardboard cut-out. His whole life is fake. He is fake. His wife is fake. The kids may be fake also. He was made by Soros and leftist hollywood types. He is morally deficient. He has no thought nor original ideas. His words and ideas come from a teleprompter. His faith is a lie. Everything he is …is ‘pretend’. He pretends he is America and the left pretends they believe him. Obama is a black hole. He is a hologram. We need a true American as president. We need to know where he came from and his background. That person is NOT obama. Obama is smoke and mirrors.

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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:55pm
  Yea’, Obama was up for an Academy Award before he blow the debate..
  Don’t think it gets any better for him, from here out !!!
  Ryan should be able to DESTROY O’Biben, Like to see OldJoe lose it…
  
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MBA
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:08pm
The chair in chief distains everyone except himself. Geez, impeach the worthless s o b.

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- cessna152
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:18pm
  ****”he has many other more important things to worry about.”******
  
  Things like:
  1) Playing golf
  2) Sending Michelle around the world.
  3) Destroying this country
  4) Thinking up new lies
  5) Patenting and Perfecting the terms: Ummm, Well and Let me be clear.
  
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AJAYW
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:04pm
Does the POS obama really know how much disdain that anyone with common sense has for him?

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- davidkolden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:56pm
  how do you debate such a loser as Barry Soetoro-obama – no real time only fantasy
  
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Arc
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:01pm
Obama: Leadership ( failed )
Axelrod: Creating an false image of Hope & Change ( Pass )
Gibbs; Rookie as well as his Boss ( Failed )
Carney; Programmable robot. ( ” C ” hard to program failure )
Valerie Jarret; THE boss ( Incomplete but only until she fires all of them )

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clb2012now
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:57pm
I want a President that can stand up for himself, his record, his policies and AMERICA. Obama did not. I was not surprised by Obama during the debate but many were. So to those that were, which President is going to show up for work tomorrow? Obama does not attend meeting with his job council, doesn’t have department meeting, hadn’t been having his security briefings.

What I did NOT hear in the debate was what Obama is going to do with his next term and his “flexibility” He already goes around Congress so that is no deterrent. He refused to help other Democrats with their elections so that is no deterrent. What is he going to do? What plans? How does he expect to accomplish them?

Big Bird, the one example that Mitt used and he is getting excoriated for it. Media expect him to propose other examples of loophole and program cuts. Those loopholes and program cuts need to be negotiated with congress and that is what plans to do. Should Mitt show his hand like Obama did by releasing his timeline for leaving Afghanistan?

Big Bird is worth over 400M and certainly could share his wealth with the other programs. Remember 1/100 = a penny that adds up to a dollar. I believe that government has a place in starting programs like PBS but eventually they should become self reliant. Just as with green energy, we should support research but not the merchandizing of the product.

Did Mitt really lie? 3 to 1 Economics say Romney’s plan over Obama’s current is better f

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Gary_K
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:55pm
I cannot put into words the disdain I have for barry soetoro. That being said, I hope he enjoys many retirement years in the loving arms of mooshell starting in January 2013.

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- SREGN
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:12pm
  His heart may belong to the wookie, but his **** belongs to the chicago bath-houses.
  
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huey6367
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:47pm
No teleprompter, no prepared questions and no audience that is selected seated to favor you equals a poor performance in the debate.

Why does he really hate Romney? Romney knows how to be a leader and he is the biggest threat to his continuation as President.

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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:56pm
  We the people are his biggest threat for his re-election, we would vote for anybody but barry.
  
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rox
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:44pm
I am ready to see Obama’s second debate. He should be ready this time, right? No excuses..

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- MIBUGNU2
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 1:08pm
  If it doesn’t go well, He will always have BUSH to BLAME !!!
  
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Stelex
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:35pm
How about you point us in the right direction……pretend we’re stupid……..humor up. Which parts are lies.
Come on Cockn…….help a guy out

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Autigermom
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:33pm
Cockwithoutballs, you are so funny! Would really appreciate “just the facts” please….waiting….

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Macrobat
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:32pm
Name one lie, then tell us why it is a lie – I dare you

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denkat56
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:30pm
obama just cant handle the fact not everybody thinks he is a god. i quess he will have to study the problems he has created, like no military, no foriegn policy, hating israel, to many vacations, to much golfing, highest unemployment rates, our dependence on foriegn oil, wasting millions on his friends companies ie solyndra, abuse of power and his office, at least 4 deaths in lybia not to mention all the deaths in mexico, or his biggest problem his ego, and the fact he is a spoiled little boy. no worries barry just have axelrod threaten more people, or get more money from soros. no problem is there barry.

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The Third Archon
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:30pm
Is this supposed to make Obama look bad?

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- Stelex
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:36pm
  Obama’s always looked bad sport…….just need a brain to see it
  
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- Apple Bite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:38pm
  Nope, just the facts, ma’am….
  
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- QuincySmith
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:44pm
  I don’t know, but I would guess it does.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:48pm
  Obama doesn’t need any help looking bad. But since you only have a view of his backside as your tongue is up it, you probably haven’t noticed.
  
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- Gary_K
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:58pm
  Nope, barry does that all by himself.
  
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- The Third Archon
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:17pm
  @STEELEX
  LOL
  
  @the rest
  Having disdain for the disdainful doesn’t make one look good or bad–just sane.
  
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- dugbru
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:43pm
  No need to try and make him look bad, he does that all by his self.. Why??? Well because he is bad.. bad for America, bad for the world..
  
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Chromo200
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
So Obama I figure can think on one single problem at a time. he is so overworked that he can’t concentrate. So what else is the cause of poor performance.

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Stelex
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
What about his disdain of America, non Islamists, capitalism, freedom. Lets talk about that for a while.

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SquidVetOhio
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:25pm
Is this Axelrod?

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bigbro
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:24pm
All I have heard is Romney lied but nobody has said what he lied about and no facts. They think people are dumb.

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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:35pm
  When you hear the maggot left proclaim that Romney lied, please consider the source.
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:21pm
  Dozens of items have been pointed out,
  Try some other news sources.
  
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CWPrequired
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:23pm
Let’s see some facts ****, or shut your piehole.

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- Displacedsoutherner
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:08pm
  If by “news source” you mean NYT, LA Times, Wash Post, CNN, NPR/PBS or MSNBC I believe you really mean”opposing viewpoint” to be polite. Those media outlets have proven themselves to be editorials pretending to be news that every now and again careen into a collision with actual journalism and forget to spin a story in Obama’s direction.
  
  You know a person is in trouble when he re-edits his autobiography to purge unflattering associations although it seems unflattering associations are about the only kind Obama seems to have, so where does one stop when faced with that predicament? Is his grandmother still a “typical white person” and his (50%) whiteness still something to be despised and denied? Tough to know how much of yourself you can disavow.
  
  Maybe his poor debate performance was caused by an attack of existential angst. ie “Everyone’s right, I really am a sorry sack of ****.”
  
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floridareader
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:22pm
“Like other presidents, Mr. Obama’s debate preparations were hindered by his day job, his practice sessions often canceled or truncated because of events, advisers said. One session took place just after he addressed a service for the four Americans slain in Libya, leaving him distracted,” a recent Times report on last week’s presidential debate claims.
Another NYT lie. Obama didn’t prepare. He was so convinced of his supposed intelligence and likeability that was crushed from start to end.

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- Joey8
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Its not like he has to give a report on Newton’s laws of motion while he’s busy working on a law degree. The job that he’s too busy with directly relates to the debates. All were asking for in the debates is for him to explain what he’s so busy doing and why
  
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Shasta
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:21pm
There was not enough time for OBlamo to prepare for the debate because of his day job? That is all he does is campaign. Hell, all the world’s leaders were in NY and he met with exactly none of them. He was too busy going on ‘The View’

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coyote1hell
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:12pm
Hindered by his Golf Game…The next Obama Slap-Down will show exactly that…Mitt, will spank this fool, like no one else can….

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Cockenballs
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:09pm
I thought Romney did great.

Then I saw that half of what he said were just lies.

Really discouraging.

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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:18pm
  Is that the best you can do? Name the lies. Point by point. If you are so convinced of this, show the facts. The president didn’t challenge Romney’s statements, but you can? Let’s hear it!
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:22pm
  I’d love to see your facts……..please.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:22pm
  @Konservative PUNK, are you serious? Don’t you follow this stuff? It’s not hard to find, you’re already online, do some research for crying out loud.
  
  It’s the refusal to believe that “your guy” is just as untrustworthy as “their guy” that is so disheartening.
  
  Obama didn’t refute this stuff because he didn’t come to play ball. That much was obvious.
  
  Do some reading man. That’s what we’re supposed to be doing.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:24pm
  And just WHO said they were lies. Are you a numbskull? The dufus in chief would have been spewing lies, if he had, AH, eh,, mmm, would have , ah oh,, come out, ahh ,, eh with a ,, ah ,, eh mmmm, eh coherent, eh, ahhh,, aaaaaa, reply.
  
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- CWPrequired
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:26pm
  Where’s the facts cockenballs? Must be a lefty if all you’ve got is name calling.
  
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- Shasta
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
  Good try Cockenballs, NOT! You can not provide any details so you tell us to do the research ourselves. Lame. Besides, most of us have done our research all along.
  
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- Shasta
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:27pm
  Cockenballs, Media Matters should ask you for their money back.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:28pm
  So ya got nothing Cockn?????
  
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- SquidVetOhio
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Yeah @KONSERVATIVE PUNK. Didn’t you go to HuffPO and MSNBC and fact check Romney?
  
  ha ha ha ha. Dude, First of all, Adam Sandler would be ashamed that someone so dense would use one of his bits for a screen name. Second, most of the people on this site have forgotten more about politics and current events than you think you know.
  
  Just stop now because you are embarrassing yourself.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  HA! Just as I suspected. You cvannot even name a single solitary lie, because there is none. Even the Obama campaign admitted that it was OBAMA who lied about Romney’s so-called 5 Trillion Dollar tax cut, saying, “…Romney’s tax cut is nowhere near 5 Trillion Dollars.” Do your homework ****. I did mine. The truth is that you lefties have no respect nor regard for facts.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:30pm
  It’s not “lame” for me to not do your research.
  
  You have your choice of sources, folks. The info is out there with a simple internet search. Like Glenn tells us, “do your research.”
  
  This isn’t stuff that’s buried. It’s right there.
  
  I’m not calling anyone names. Relax.
  
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- KickinBack
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:31pm
  CB says: “are you serious? Don’t you follow this stuff? It’s not hard to find, you’re already online, do some research for crying out loud.”
  
  Weak. If it’s so easy, how about a link. Just one…c’mon, you’ve got one source right? No? That’s what I thought.
  
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- 2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:43pm
  COCKENBALLS sounds a lot like VerceofReason: quick, short jabs with no substance supporting them.
  
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- Rajabear1
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:43pm
  And the obama operatives open their new Blaze accounts in 3….2….1….
  And here is our visit from the ministry of truth
  By the way–PUNK–your name is a dead give away.
  
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- SREGN
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:47pm
  CnB – It couldn’t have been lies from Romney because you also said that wasn’t the real Romney.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:49pm
  You actually need me to help you use a search engine?
  
  Wow. Just…wow.
  
  Way to be “honorable,” guys.
  
  This is what I’m talking about.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:50pm
  Why are you aiming at CPunk?
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:51pm
  “@Konservative PUNK, are you serious? Don’t you follow this stuff? It’s not hard to find, you’re already online, do some research for crying out loud.”
  
  That’s a lazy comment, and you know it. You just don’t like what he said, and/or it doesn’t fit your narrative of what you’ve been told about him. If you’ve “been following this stuff”, then you should already have this information available to substantiate your claims of lying. Instead you say “Go look it up”. Sorry, buddy, you made the claim. You back it up, or you’re F.O.S.
  
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- Capt_Gregg
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:54pm
  The Obama bunch has told so many lies about Romney’s policies so many times that they and the stupid and/or naive among our population have come to believe they’re true. Romney set them straight during the debate, so now they claim he’s lying because he’s disputing the false claims they believe to be the truth.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Ministry of Truth Operatives would be much better versed in NewSpeak.
  I thought that the ‘K’ in ‘Konservative’ was enough of a disguise…like a Groucho mask.
  Obama does not have supporters, but followers. He spews lies and they follow suit. Who needs facts when you have zingers like “Romney’s plan is NEVERMIND.”?
  Brilliant. I wonder if that was John Kerry’s idea of how to get revenge for the ‘flip-flop’ chant he endured in 2004.
  
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- Stelex
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:55pm
  Still nothin………can’t even cite one example cockn?????
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:57pm
  Fine, for those of you who don’t know how to use the internet, this example comes to you from The Christian Science Monitor…hardly a “lib” source:
  
  Presidential debate 101: Did Obama really double the deficit?
  
  During the arithmetical dodge ball that constituted much of the first debate, Mitt Romney said the US deficit ‘doubled’ under Obama. In fact, it has declined, though it is still more than $1 trillion.
  
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- Hobbs57
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:58pm
  The problem your having there balls, and you will continue to have through out your life, is you inability to understand the difference between knowledge and wisdom. Doesn’t matter how much you intellects research and doesn’t matter how much knowledge you attain and retain, you will never understand it is worthless unless it holds up in reality. Just like any scientific experiment, there are multiple unknown variable that affect everything. Only those who have real world wisdom, can understand this, knowing that while statistics and data may reflect a 5 trillion dollar tax, you have to understand knowledge, or data, or studies, never reflect possibilities or results from chance. IN this case, the 5 trillion so called tax is offset by revenues created from the expanding economy do to premier economic conditions Romney knows works because he has worked in the real world. He realizes, all the statistics of the Clinton era have a confounded variable called the dot.com bubble. That was a chance event, or, if you like, an economic anomaly. It wasn’t a result of great policy, nor did Clinton have a balanced budget because of his amazing abilities to determine these policies, but happened despite his heavy tax burden , and in favor of his ignorance towards regulation and free markets. Which ultimately lead to the housing bubble collapse of 2007 . Check, PBS, front line, “The Warning”… Academia has failed America and destroyed our freedom and liberties in the process.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:12pm
  Hobbs
  Cackling Bull ‘s eyes rolled back in its head about the fifth word. It’s like trying to reason with a baloney sangrich.
  
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- Rajabear1
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:14pm
  @Konservative PUNK-I only highlighted PUNK to respond to our new friend here since he/she/it thought it well and good to disrespect you is such a way. And you are correct, the ministry of truth would deem he/she/it be much more clever in doublespeak or just knowledge in general. The freak brought a table knife to a nuclear weapons plant with its lack of any facts into this forum.
  apologize if there was any misunderstanding…
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:14pm
  Just as I thought. Silence from you all. That’s just one fact check, from a conservative site. There’s your bone. You can sniff out the rest if you’re hungry. Which you’re not. You just claim to be.
  
  Nodding your head in agreement when Glenn tells you to do your research IS NOT the same thing as doing your research. Instead, you’re just a consumer. Yuck.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:21pm
  Funny, I’ve been called several derogatory names already in this thread alone, yet I haven’t said one derogatory thing towards any of you.
  
  The hypocrisy is pretty thick around here.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:21pm
  Thanks for finally coughing up something Cockenballs…
  I went to the CBO (Congressional BUdget Office) website and found that the deficit in Bush’s last year in office (2008) was $458 billion. That was also the highest deficit year during Bush’s 8 year term in office. During Obama’s term, from 2009 to 2012, each year has seen deficits over one trillion dollars. So, yeah, Romney was telling the truth again.
  
  Any other ‘lies’ you want to claim?
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:26pm
  @Konservative PUNK, the CBO, eh? So you trust them as a source? Funny.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:33pm
  @Konservative PUNK. regardless, Romney said “the deficit,” not “Bush’s numbers.” The deficit has actually GONE DOWN a bit, and this is accepted as fact by conservative and liberal analysts alike.
  
  But you’re missing the point. Obama lied too, yes. The fact that no one here is willing to look critically at the candidates is what’s sad. Giving a candidate a pass on truth is deplorable regardless of your political persuasion.
  
  What ever happened to “holding their feet to the fire?” Just another commercial jingle for the talking heads, I guess.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:37pm
  The only name I called you was the first four letters of your name, which was blocked by the site.
  I think it is pretty plain for everyone to see who did their homework here and who is a ‘consumer’ of fast and loose facts. The Christian Science Monitor is NOT a reliable news source. The non-partisan CBO is. In the future, I hope you will heed your own advice (as well as Glenn’s) and do YOUR OWN homework instead of copying lies from partisan news sites.
  
  Once again:
  Bush’s 2001 Surplus = $128 Billion
  Bush’s 2002 Deficit = $157 Billion
  Bush’s 2003 Deficit = $377 Billion
  Bush’s 2004 Deficit = $412 Billion
  Bush’s 2005 Deficit = $318 Billion
  Bush’s 2006 Deficit = $248 Billion
  Bush’s 2007 Deficit = $160 Billion
  Bush’s 2008 Deficit = $458 Billion
  
  Obama’s 2009 Deficit = $1.41 Trillion
  Obama’s 20010 Deficit = $1.29 Trillion
  
  These are what facts look like.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:40pm
  Candidates from both parties use the CBO numbers. Apparently the Christian Science Monitor does not. The CBO is the ONLY game in town, if you don’t trust them, you cannot trust anybody else, because everyone uses their numbers, except of course for the Christian Science Monitor.
  
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- Konservative PUNK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Arithmentic.
  It’s not Bush’s Deficit or Obama’s Deficit, it’s America’s deficit. Bush just happened to be the president before Obama took office. You may be confusing the annual deficit with the national debt. The national debt was $10 Trillion when Obama took office and is now $16 Trillion.
  
  Don’t change the subject. NAME A LIE THAT ROMNEY SAID DURING THE DEBATE.
  It’s that simple. You leveled the charge, now back it up or admit that he did not lie. The next time you come expcting to find sheep that roll over in the face of a wolf, check your facts my friend. You might just find that they call us ‘right’ for a reason.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:54pm
  @Konservative PUNK, fair enough dude. My bad, I thought I was giving you a conservative source. So the CBO’s word is bond? Got it. I will use CBO studies, numbers, and projections then. It’s just that every time the CBO is referenced here, the natives get all up in arms about it.
  
  Moving on…
  
  Romney said ““right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care to 30 million. The CBO director says that about 3 million would ditch employer coverage due to the law.
  
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- Cockenballs
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:20pm
  Hello? Where’d you run off to, Mr. Facts?
  
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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:24pm
  Here’s 1 point, google the rest.
  His healthcare plan DOES NOT include ‘prior condition non denials by insurers’ THAT’S A LIE.
  
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- pleasepayattention
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:58pm
  You have to consider the source!!!! Watch fox news or go to the blaze.com. The only reason you are hearing this **** is because obama and his cronies don’t have anything else but Oh, he lied. Oh my god, it’s like a little kid who got his **** kicked and now he’s going around telling everybody he won even though 70 million people saw him lose! Why didn’t he say they were lies then? Because he can’t fight face to face, he has to do it behind their backs.
  
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