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‘Heaven Is Real’: Neurosurgeon Who Once Doubted Out-of-Body Experiences Describes His Own

Oct. 8, 2012 2:16pm Billy Hallowell

Is Heaven for real?

This age-old question has been debated for centuries. Of late, the subject has been tacked in theological circles and has been extensively covered by mainstream media. Many who have had near-death experiences regularly describe the images they saw after purportedly crossing into the after-life. Who can forget Colton Burpo’s story? The young boy claims to have ascended into heaven during a near-death experience back in 2003. His story inevitably made its way into a popular book called, “Heaven Is for Real.” But Burpo isn’t alone.

There have been similar experiences told in popular media. The latest tale comes from Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon who, ironically, never really believed in near-death experiences before falling into a coma. In the October 15 issue of Newsweek, though, Alexander details his purported ascent to heaven and his subsequent change-of-heart.

Dr. Eben Alexander Describes Near Death Ascent to Heaven

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With a firm understanding of the human brain, Alexander had previously dismissed purported journeys outside of the earthly realm as a byproduct of what happens to human beings in the throes of trauma. However, that changed once he found himself heaven-bound. The neurosurgeon explains:

In the fall of 2008…after seven days in a coma during which the human part of my brain, the neocortex, was inactivated, I experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death. [...]

Very early one morning four years ago, I awoke with an extremely intense headache. Within hours, my entire cortex—the part of the brain that controls thought and emotion and that in essence makes us human—had shut down. Doctors at Lynchburg General Hospital in Virginia, a hospital where I myself worked as a neurosurgeon, determined that I had somehow contracted a very rare bacterial meningitis that mostly attacks newborns. E. coli bacteria had penetrated my cerebrospinal fluid and were eating my brain.

When I entered the emergency room that morning, my chances of survival in anything beyond a vegetative state were already low. They soon sank to near nonexistent. For seven days I lay in a deep coma, my body unresponsive, my higher-order brain functions totally offline.

Then, on the morning of my seventh day in the hospital, as my doctors weighed whether to discontinue treatment, my eyes popped open.

While that’s the recap of what was going on with Alexander’s body on the outside, what was occurring within, he claims, was supernatural. Rather than consciousness ending once earthly awareness came to a close, the neurosurgeon said that he discovered that “consciousness exists beyond the body.” In the Newsweek article, he describes his journey in detail.

First, he saw white-pink clouds against a blue-black backdrop (purportedly the sky). Above the clouds, he claims to have observed “flocks of transparent, shimmering beings arced across the sky.” While he isn’t able to define exactly what he observed, he called them advanced, higher forms of being. The creatures were so content and overjoyed, Alexander recalls, that they created a “glorious chant” as they moved.

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He also stressed the interconnectedness of everything he observed, writing, “Everything was distinct, yet everything was also a part of everything else, like the rich and intermingled designs on a Persian carpet … or a butterfly’s wing.”

On this journey, Alexander said a woman was with him and that she delivered to him very pointed messages. While she didn’t speak in the traditional sense, Alexander was able to understand her every word. The general messages were: “You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever,” “You have nothing to fear” and “There is nothing you can do wrong.”

The woman also told him that she (and others) would show him many things in this new world, but that he would inevitably return to earth. These are only a few of the elements that he described seeing. Just as surprising as what he observed is the change-of-heart that Alexander has had as a result of the experience:

I know full well how extraordinary, how frankly unbelievable, all this sounds. Had someone—even a doctor—told me a story like this in the old days, I would have been quite certain that they were under the spell of some delusion. But what happened to me was, far from being delusional, as real or more real than any event in my life. That includes my wedding day and the birth of my two sons. [...]

Before my experience these ideas were abstractions. Today they are realities. Not only is the universe defined by unity, it is also—I now know—defined by love. The universe as I experienced it in my coma is—I have come to see with both shock and joy—the same one that both Einstein and Jesus were speaking of in their (very) different ways.

I’ve spent decades as a neurosurgeon at some of the most prestigious medical institutions in our country. I know that many of my peers hold—as I myself did—to the theory that the brain, and in particular the cortex, generates consciousness and that we live in a universe devoid of any kind of emotion, much less the unconditional love that I now know God and the universe have toward us. But that belief, that theory, now lies broken at our feet. What happened to me destroyed it, and I intend to spend the rest of my life investigating the true nature of consciousness and making the fact that we are more, much more, than our physical brains as clear as I can, both to my fellow scientists and to people at large.

Unlike other scientists and skeptics, he no longer believes that the “living spiritual truths of religion” have lost their power. Church, for Alexander, now has an entirely different meaning, as does the notion that there is a God that has an intense and overwhelming love for humanity. Though he still considers himself a man of science and a doctor, he is in touch with the spiritual realm and he believes that his perspective will never be the same. He concludes that “heaven is real.”

You can read Alexander’s Newsweek article for more or pre-order the scientist’s new book, “Proof of Heaven,” that will be released about his near-death experience later this month.

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IMCHRISTIAN
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:06pm
The atheists always seems to come around where Christians seems or wants to be. They know that they can’t change our beliefs so they must just want to cause evil because with evil they think they can have excuses for whatever they do. With true Christianity the key is FAITH.

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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:24pm
  Many atheists are way nicer and have higher morals than many so-called Christians. You basically said “everyone who doesn’t share my opinion is stupid and all atheists are evil.” Not cool, dude.
  
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- RossPoldark
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:31pm
  statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:24pm
  Many atheists are way nicer and have higher morals than many so-called Christians. You basically said “everyone who doesn’t share my opinion is stupid and all atheists are evil.” Not cool, dude.’
  
  And of course you say that because your an athiest of course.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:31pm
  Given your name of “StatutoryRape” please understand if we laugh at your excuse.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:33pm
  Ok, I need to read slower. My apologies on what I said about your name.
  
  Though I do wish more Christians would try to be as Christian as they claim to be.
  
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- IMCHRISTIAN
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:39pm
  You are right Statutory, there are some nice atheist that leave religions alone and go their own way. It is just that so many that come in here seem to think we don’t need faith or rights in our choices.
  
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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:47pm
  No guys, I’m not hating on y’all. I’m a Christian that believes in Evolution.
  
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- O NEEDS TO GO
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:52pm
  @statutoryape…believe what you may, but Jesus Christ is my personal lord and savior and always will be for as long as I am alive.
  
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- Obama Snake Oil Co
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:17pm
  Aethists, just as I will, stand both infront of God one day. I have been there once myself. The doctor experienced what I did in 2000. I am a proffessional engineer in the pharma industry. I used to believe in god but not go to any church either. I can assure any nonbelievers, the place exists. I have not read the doctors book but I am curious if he met what I think was St Peter? He made a statment to me “We will revist this in one year”. I was escorted out by a being with the same feeling of euphoria as the doctor described. Why I was allowed to remember still has me confused as the details were clear. I saw me come out of my body in the ER. I have said little about his over the years but I did ask a priest what this mean’t. He told me that many have experienced this and told me it was time to come back to god in my life. Incidently, I didn’t get into heaven….I was at the gate. St Peter was very white haired, white robe and very tanned face.
  
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- I support God's Israel!
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:25pm
  @statutoryape: You are a Christian who believes in evolution? HUH? True followers of Christ DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION OR EVOLVING INTO SOMETHING ELSE, unless you means we die and evolve into spiritual beings, then you would be correct. But, if you mean that you come back as something else, SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT, please.
  
  Oh, you can’t.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:41pm
  @STATUTORYAPE
  No guys, I‘m not hating on y’all. I’m a Christian that believes in Evolution.
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  Well you must be hating on God, because you are calling Him a liar:
  
  => So God created…every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded…,and every winged bird according to its kind….then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind…THEN God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness”…. So God created man in His own image;and God said to them, “… have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” (Gen 1).
  
  Then again, if you liberals enjoy calling yourselves apes, there must be a reason…
  
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- jthirteen
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:45pm
  Just to start, I am a Christian, hopefully people don’t take my comment the wrong way. That being said, I don’t put a lot of stock in stories like this as “Proof” that heaven exists because I am sure there are tons of people who have near death experiences and experience nothing. Or lie in a coma and wake up one day not realizing they were unconscious for several days. Does that prove that heaven doesn’t exist? No. Do I believe this man really had the experiences he claims he had? I don’t know, but it doesn’t matter to me. I believe what I believe.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:46pm
  Yes, there are more atheists today than ever before (even percentage wise). Reasons: One is that atheism is the direct result of misinformation being taught to our kids by the Communist Teachers in our schools (Commies admitted that they do/did send Communist Teacher specifically to rot our kids)
  
  Then, there is the growth of Progressive Liberals and Entitled population, the Unions who seem to be the base for atheists. Here is all we need to know: Atheists have -0- evidence that GOD does not exist. They have never been able to explain where emotions such as LOVE, CONSCIENCE, even HATE comes from !
  
  Here is an explanation of SIN: (It’s not drinking too much or robbing a bank or fooling around with another man’s wife)… SIN is REFUSING to ACKNOWLEDGE GOD as our Creator. Seriously. Sin is what the devil did when he was in Heaven. He didn’t want to submit to the GOD who created this all. He wanted to deny GOD. He wanted to “do it all on his own” . SO, he was kicked out of HEAVEN and his whole existence – he’s been trying to RUIN all of GOD’S creations (us) —by making us DENY the existence of GOD.
  I hope people think about this. SO many people think “oh, I’ve done something SO AWFUL, that GOD could never love me” WRONG. The only thing that will keep you away from GOD is your refusal to acknowledge GOD as your creator. GET CLOSE to HIM….You will be amazed !!
  Don’t let satan keep fooling you!
  
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- Hobo Boondocks
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:58pm
  These out of body experiences that have moved certain persons to ‘believe’ in heaven fascinate me. They receive a sort of ‘preview’ of coming attractions. Of course, there is no way to challenge them except to say that the scriptures have no supporting experiences of unbelievers undergoing similar events.
  The Bible does report on men who had divinely inspired dreams of things taking place in heaven. None of the accounts tell of anyone in heaven telling someone, “There is nothing you can do wrong.” That to me is a dead giveaway(no pun intended) this was in no way an experience divinely initiated. Even Saint John was corrected when he fell at the feet of an angel to worship him at Revelation 19 V.10 and 22 V. 9. Yes, we can do wrong, anyone saying different is contradicting scripture. And no holy angel would do that.
  
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- ZaphodsPlanet
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:06pm
  @KRYPTONITE
  
  One of the funniest questions to enter my mind as of a few months ago regarding evolution is this:
  
  “If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?”
  
  To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.
  To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
  -Thomas Aquinas
  
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- ThriCeSLewis
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:29pm
  check out dinesh d’souza’s book LIFE AFTER DEATH: the EVIDENCE. Very comprehensive.
  
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- LetUsReason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:33pm
  @ JThirteen
  
  You said, “I am sure there are tons of people who have near death experiences and experience nothing.”
  
  Hahaha….I have been trying to make sense out of this puzzling sentence for a good minute and a half now!! I’m exhausted! Isn’t the whole idea of having a near death experience dependent on the premise that you experienced something? How does one have a near death experience by experiencing nothing? Maybe this is one of those tree falls in a forest type questions…
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:55pm
  Christian FAITH is based on the things HOPED for, based on EVIDENCE, not BLIND Faith. Either Christ was insane,deluded, a liar, or NOT! Does the EVIDENCE of his life,teachings,love, kindness, demonstrate any of these, from historical record? His existence is recorded in writngs of Josephus, a Jewish/Roman historian[and others]. IF HIS record shows HE is truthfiul then why not believe HIM??II AM the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LFE. NO ONE comes to the Father,but by ME. Repent, and believe the good news. ANYONE who reads these words, and does NOT, stands condemned,and are w/o excuse. I pray those whoread this, at least spend SOME time to INVESTIGATE these truths. IF not, you will NOT see heaven, but are cnsignd to ETERNAL separation froma LOVING Creator, but who is also JUST, and Holy,and ALL aspects of HIM MUST be satisfied, HE LOVES YOU enough to have DIED for you.
  A far as out of body experiences: Please quote me the Scripture where this has happened. Believers tell of experiences of being TRANSPORTED to other places, including Peter, Paul. John ,but there is NO scriptual evidence it happened to ANY non-believer.
  Marantha
  
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- LetUsReason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:57pm
  @ HOBO
  
  An out of body experience is not the same thing as a near death experience. And just because you cannot find examples of near death experiences in the Bible does not make them untrue. One wonders if Lazarus or others that Christ raised from the dead did not in fact have similar unique experiences. We know that Stephen and others glimpsed the beauties of heaven before their passing. Although the Bible contains the truths necessary for salvation, do not be so restricted and narrow in your beliefs to assume that if something is not in the Bible, then it isn’t true.
  
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- getalong
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:13pm
  God is great!
  
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- TreeTrimmerJim
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:14pm
  Is believing in nothing a belief?
  
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- saranda
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:49pm
  @zaphodsplanet – think about what you wrote, and if you still cannot see the problem with it then please do not reproduce.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:52pm
  OK, I admit I haven’t had time to read the full article, but I agree with HOBO BOONDOCKS that a Godly being saying, “There is nothing you can do wrong,” immediately raises a red flag.
  
  Some people come out of NDEs claiming there is no hell, and death is a great experience for everyone. That is one of Satan’s most dangerous and appealing lies, and those who choose to believe an experience that contradicts the Word of God will learn otherwise when they really die, i.e., when the silver cord that joins our spirit body to our physical body is severed (Ecc. 12: 6-7). (Don’t panic. It’s a biblical concept, although people in the occult love to apply it in unbiblical ways.)
  
  Maybe this guy meant something different. Until I get all the details, I remain wary.
  
  @ZAPHODSPLANETS
  If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
  —-
  I’m not even going to bother, friend. It’s all convoluted lies and circular reasoning. Let them start by giving us real scientific proof that we evolved from apes.
  
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- BreeZee
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:56pm
  I have an issue with Glenn Beck and the Blaze. I read stories on the Blaze about how oblamer is ruining the country, taking over as a dictator and Glenn has for four years now explained the evils of oblamer on his TV shows and his communistic ties. Now I go on the Blaze and see advertisements to re-elect oblamer! What a bunch of hypocrites at the blaze! I understand the need for the advertising dollar but what about the values, character and morals Beck is always preaching about? I feel sold out. Once it was on the top banner then in “ads by wam” on the righthand menus.
  
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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:05pm
  statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:47pm
  
  No guys, I‘m not hating on y’all. I’m a Christian that believes in Evolution.
  
  **************************************************
  
  Interesting statement. I will start with the first question: Do you believe That Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He sacrificed himself for our salvation?
  
  If your answer is no, then your statement regarding evolution is consistent in your philosophy, but inconsistent with your being Christian and brings into question your definition of a Christian.
  
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- John_Free
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:26pm
  Christians aren’t perfect, but Jesus really is…..
  
  Christians aren’t perfect, and that’s why Jesus died for us.
  
  Christians aren’t perfect, but THEY ARE SAVED!!!
  
  ;-)
  
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- Two Sheds
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:38pm
  Hallucination. The dudes brain was being eaten by bactieria. He was on drugs too, more like the church of LSD not LDS. Go back and read your Bible; the part about the camel passing thru the eye of a needle.
  
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- Granny58
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:10pm
  “You are a Christian who believes in evolution? HUH? True followers of Christ DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION OR EVOLVING INTO SOMETHING ELSE, unless you means we die and evolve into spiritual beings, then you would be correct. But, if you mean that you come back as something else, SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT, please.”
  
  I really dislike when people decide for others what “true Christians” should believe. As far as I remember in the BIble, True Christians are to believe in Jesus as savior. That’s the standard. Doesn’t mention evolution at all. I can see where the creation account (because I believe it is an actual account) could include the possibility of evolution…or not. It’s not clearly indicated and is not a necessary belief.
  
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- Wolfgang the Gray
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:19pm
  There will come a day when all doubt will be removed from every person’s mind. Their eyes will be opened the day that they die & and then it will be too late to change. Each person will have to stand accountable for their actions in life.
  
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- bitter.clinger
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:20pm
  I knew the second I saw the title of the article that this jackass was going to be pushing a book…forget everything else the clown says after hearing that…make way for the Oprah book tour. Looks to me that he sensed a “near profit” experience more than near death…”Shhhh…I…See…Book…Royalties”!!!
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:01am
  Heaven is real but not the Heaven Mormons think. They get to become Gods and own their own planet. Who the real crazy one?
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:02am
  Who ever believes in evolution is a plain our indoctrinated moron.
  
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- PoliticiansRCrooks
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:02am
  plain out*
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:49am
  @PATTY HENRY
  
  Wait, who said atheists can’t explain where emotions come from?
  
  Where did this nonsense come from?
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:46am
  @ MODERATIONISBEST; NO my dear, No Atheist I’ve ever heard of can explain the emotion of LOVE or HATE or GOOD or EVIL. IF things just exploded (big bang) and kept exploding they probably just blew themselves into –0– but even if they “evolved” they didn’t need any emotion to procreate… and really, if we evolved from APES why are their still APES? Why do each one of us have our own finger prints, through out the history of the world. Why DON’T some of us have eyes in the back of our head ? YOU guys make up any excuse to try to make the case that there could not possibly be a DESIGNER, a CREATOR…yet everything we know of , the computer you sit at, the chair you sit on was thought of and designed. I can’t convince you. I can only live my life the way I believe GOD wishes me to live it – and I fail at that every day, but HE knows my heart ! I’m just sorry for you guys who, for whatever reason, can’t accept GOD as the CREATOR.
  You know that is THE sin, right? The inability to accept that there is a GOD, a CREATOR?? Bet you thought it was betting too much on the ponies or lying to your spouses… nope. It’s DENYING GOD.
  As if you are so smart you could create yourself, this world, this Universe and you don’t need anyone.
  THAT is the SIN. THE one that separates you from GOD for all eternity. Sorry for YOU. Glad it’s not me. PS I’ve had too many “proofs’ in my life to even begin to try to doubt God’s existence. I’m Blessed!
  
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- Alina.D
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:05am
  “There is nothing you can do wrong” . That phrase standing alone is Wrong. This is definitely a red flag
  
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- Alina.D
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:11am
  @ Granny
  I am sorry to disappoint you.. but even the demons believe that Jesus is the son of God and know what He did for us.. that does not mean demons are true Christians. Stop playing with the Bible and changing it to fit your own theories.
  
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- 13thCousinOfTheAntiChrist
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:45am
  @00100111 There’s a saying among members of my church (possibly elsewhere) that church isn’t for the perfect. It’s for those of us who are imperfect. Yes, it would be nice if everyone of every faith or non-faith lived up to the ideals they purport to believe in. Unfortunately that isn’t true and probably never will be.
  
  All any of us can do is try to be better and try not to worry overmuch about those who don’t.
  
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- Granny58
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:55am
  @ Alana D – OK, I phrased that badly because I am aware of that point. The standard of Christianity is to ACCEPT Jesus as your lord and savior. But I still stand by the remainder of my statement. I recommend “Seven Days that Divide the World” by John Lennox (Christian apologist, professor of mathematics Oxford University).
  
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- beckistheking
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:53am
  Obamasnakeoil, your delusions are not the burdens of others.
  
  Pattyhenry, we didn’t evolve from modern day apes, but DNA analysis proves we shared a common ancestor. If you don’t want to accept proven facts, then you’re a hypocrite for using a computer and enjoying other fruits of science while ignoring scientific fact. Funny how you cultists cherry pick what science you’ll embrace.
  
  Science is freeing people from the scolding bullying ancient nonsense of all religions. The day is coming when people will leave religion behind with witch burnings, belief in a flat earth and all the other nonsense we learned was false.
  
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- 1Truth_all_there_is
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:06am
  Actually atheist are very intelligent. Some of the most intelligent people out there. Evil exist in all humans. There are none who don’t have evil in them to some degree. Why do atheist insist on going to where Christians are and use vile words, insults, even at times resort to physically hurting them? I have never been approached by an atheist who is trying to peacefully convenience me that atheism is the way. Yes I know some Christians do the same but they do it in complete violation of what Christ thought. Love Your enemies! Therefor they are not being Christian. When an atheist hates, is he being atheist?
  
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- WakeUp
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 11:41am
  statutoryape Nonsense. Don’t confuse people that call themselves Christian for personal gaine, with those that are true Christians.
  
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- davecorkery
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:56pm
  Of course you must have faith. When you cannot prove anything because there is no evidence whatsoever, you have to just say “I believe”. If it comforts you to think there is an afterlife, more power to you. Many of us don’t have a fear of death, which is decidedly not the norm, and don’t need man made stories to help us cope. No one knows if there is a god or afterlife. Most are of the opinion that there is one, we have the opinion that there isn’t.
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 1:56pm
  ►”You can read Alexander’s Newsweek article for more or pre-order the scientist’s new book, “Proof of Heaven,” that will be released about his near-death experience later this month.”◄
  
  Just another profiteer publishing anecdotal rubbish to milk money out of the dimwitted masses of polluted flesh.
  
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- NOTALOTTAYITTAYADDA
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:16pm
  I can’t disprove heaven, but I can PROVE all religions are MAN MADE. There in lies the fault of FAITH, believing other humans know what they talk about when it comes to the supernatural.
  
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- TheWorldisFullofIrony
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:39pm
  The ignorance displayed in the majority of these comments is astounding.
  
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- Hopestar-B-COHIPER
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:25pm
  I am a Christian and I have to agree with statutoryape in more ways than one.
  
  And, one of the things that I find most offensive about most Christians is their righteous arrogance to tell others how wrong are those who do not believe as the righteous arrogant ones do and in more than a few instances (thanks to vacations every year with my father in all 48 continental states) I witnessed this righteous arrogance and subsequent persecution of those who did not believe as did the righteous arrogant ones..
  
  My father took me every year to a Christian community where I witnessed this righteous arrogance.
  
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- 1Truth_all_there_is
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:27pm
  To be honest I think Atheist are some of the most intelligent people. Evil is possible by all humans, everyone has evil within them to some degree. What I don’t understand is why do Atheist insult, use vile words, even get physical at time when they confront Christians? To tell you the truth I have never been confronted by an Atheist trying to convince me of their beliefs and when countered they stay peaceful. Yes I know some Christians do the same. I tell you when a Christian is hateful they are going against everything Christ thought, like love your enemy’s, therefor not being Christian. If an Atheist is hateful is he being an Atheist? If so I want none of that thank you.
  
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- eskulmo
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:35pm
  No, sin is transgressing God’s Moral Laws, the ten commandments. Unbelief is really just disobedience and breaking the first commandment. This gentleman’s out of body experience and description of heaven really don’t sound biblical at all. Satan does really have the power to deceive people. I don’t doubt he experience visions of some sort, but I can definitely say it’s not heaven. I actually even doubt the little boy who wrote Heaven is Real actually went to heaven, because his description doesn’t have any weight in the light of scripture. I always steer clear of Christian bestsellers, they really are books that tickle people’s ear with no sound doctrine in it at all.
  
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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:50pm
  Yeah, I believe Jesus Christ is a son of Heavenly Father and that they are separate beings. But this belief does not go against Evolution. Have any of you actually taken the time to study Atheism or Darwin’s “Origin of Species” (Theory of Evolution)? I wanted to study “the other side’s” argument and surprisingly, I agree with a lot of what Atheists believe and I believe Darwin’s “Origin of Species” is correct. Darwin never says there is no God in his book.
  
  To those who won’t try to understand the other side’s argument: Darwin’s theory DOES NOT say or even hint at human beings evolving from apes. We share a common ancestor. And there is a TON of evidence a million years back showing humanoid skulls slowly growing in size – to accommodate a larger brain until we have human skulls the same as we have today. In Genesis, Adam & Eve are commanded by God to REPLENISH the earth.
  
  Theory: Evolution brought about many races of humanoids. Then God selected certain traits that he wanted from each race and eventually over a LONG period of time, Man was created and God put a soul into that body (Adam). Who knows how long Adam and Ever were in the Garden of Eden, but while they were in the Garden, the humanoids on the earth either died from wars, hunger, or (most likely) disease. Hence, the REPLENISH THE EARTH commandment in Genesis (it is said twice)
  
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- ElijahTruth1
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:56pm
  Good word, he speaks some truth this doctor, for evidence of the shimmering beings, and of our Lord now preparing earth for His shimmering soul to come and live among the inheritors of earth go to the websites now mentioned…
  
  Our Lord’s science has proved His mystery and instead His children of Science deny Him while reaping the benefits of His delivered Knowledge! For evidence that He and He alone brought forth Science go to the about us page, the Adam the first researcher page, and Proof in the news and science page, and the Targum page and the Proof of His healing in painting and verse page on the website at google search of Adam and Eve seed gathering Ministry! Also on the Prophecy and the Signs page are the prewritten news events of this day prewritten three years ago and some more, { as evidence the Minister of the site is a Righteous man who has been given the keys/code Rev:10:7/1:17-18 giving him the ability to figure and deduce when events will accure } these signs are now falling each week, such as the Japan quake and tidal wave, and the DC/Virginia Beach Virginia quake our Lord Jesus the Great scientist/physician brought on the same day as the unveiling of the martin luther king statue { with as we speak more quakes are coming to DC/V.Beach } also the record disturbances on the Suns surface all prophecy before their taking place so all of Science and Theology will know the Minister of the site is sent John 13:20 and a Righteous man! Many other signs listed th
  
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- Harold B
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 9:58pm
  I like what you said! Most people refuse to admit that Christians although not perfect have a more loving or forgivjngt attitude and the contrary liberal athiests tend to lack compassion although they claim to be nice people. Not necessarly bad or evil but Jesus isx our example
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on October 10, 2012 at 12:03am
  If this is a real place then you should be praising murderers for doing the lawd’s work.
  
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- damon_k
  Posted on October 10, 2012 at 5:38am
  Faith is science-based, in my opinion. You can’t look at DNA and say that just happened without the hand of a creator. Read more insights at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
  
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- carpenb94m
  Posted on October 10, 2012 at 8:46am
  I am a Christian. I am a conservative. No I am not encinom! Ha ha. Now that disclosure is out of the way. I did not see what in Genesis that you posted would not allow for the possibility of evolution. Yes he created all things. Could he not also foresee an ever changing world filled with ice ages and cataclysms. Could he not have given his creations the ability to survive and carry on? I see evolution as more credit to His magnificence! Not that he needs it from lowely little me. We have seen it in our lives. My Scottish terrier, Winston, did not exist as a breed but for only a few hundred years. And no I have not been deceived. Because God is my lord and Jesus is my savior. When I reach those gates, and am asked the all important question, I will answer yes! And there will be no lie in my heart. God bless!
  
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yancie03
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:05pm
Watch I survived beyond and back , this is true not all are good. I have seen a few talking about going to hell.

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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:19pm
  Yeah….those are fictitious stories…. if you disagree, then I had a “I went to the giant spaghetti monster and back” that you can’t disprove.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:34pm
  Now, that was Derp response.
  
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- oldguy77
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:25pm
  Saw this a long time ago. One would be wise to believe,since in the end the believer would lose nothing,unbelievers everything,if proved wrong.
  
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- DimmuBorgir
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:31pm
  you know what, F you and your spaghetti monster. You all talk about freedom from religion. And yet you atheist think you’re so cool coming up with the spaghetti monster. You gotta see the hypocracy in what you guys say.
  
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- LetUsReason
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:40pm
  @ STATUTORYAPE
  
  You are entitled to believe what you want, but I can assure you that they are not fictitious like you presume them to be. These are not hoaxes. There is indeed life after death. Someday you will know it, too. Anyone can believe in the moment, though. The trick is to believe BEFORE you see. God bless.
  
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- Melvin Spittle
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:12pm
  statutoryape
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:19pm
  
  Yeah….those are fictitious stories…. if you disagree, then I had a “I went to the giant spaghetti monster and back” that you can’t disprov
  
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  You called yourself a Christian a couple of comments back yet you spend more time mocking He that you supposedly believe in. I therefore consider you so conflicted as to make no rational sense. Please explain the logic of your Christian, yet mostly atheist leanings that come across in your comments.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:51am
  @STATUTORYAPE
  
  Dude, at least worship a cool imaginary being like Zeus, Odin or Thor.
  
  Now THOSE are God’s.
  
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- TruthSeekingTexan
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 9:58am
  There’s always the possibility that some of the individuals who have presented their stories of after-death experiences were misleading or embellishing. But, there have been several stories where the individual was determined to be clinically dead, or were made to be for an operation, with no heartbeat, little-to-no brain activity, and respiration…all of the hallmark clinical signs of death. Yet, they were able to relate events that took place around them during this period of time.
  In one case, a woman had a very delicate form of open heart surgery, requiring the doctors to lower her body temperature, and at one point, take her completely off life support machines for a period of 45 minutes. She had no medical experience, had never met the specialist who showed up just for his part of the surgery and then was gone, and yet she knew details about the equipment and procedures that were used, described the specialist to her surgeon, and even related conversations that took place in the operating room…while her body was dead. Even her doctor couldn’t explain the level of detailed knowledge she had.
  Even those who may not have a strong faith in God will find at least some of these stories to be compelling.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:54pm
  Zeus was a philandering, wife beater. I haven’t heard him say much of anything I like, besides what he said to Hercules in the Aeneid. That was touching. But beyond that, not much else.
  
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- Drahcir
  Posted on October 10, 2012 at 3:40pm
  Find and read these two books:
  
  “Journeys Out of the Body,” by Robert A. Monroe;
  
  and “Return From Tomorrow,” by Dr. George Ritchie.
  
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Twisted Mind
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:04pm
Not everyone that goes toward the light will have a pleasent experience. The journey toward the peaceful light mat be good but the Bible says the everyone shall stand before the judgement seat of CHRIST and he will execute jugdgment upon ALL. Some will stay but some will be cast out. Just another opinion

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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:30pm
  Christ does not exact judgement, God does. God is a perfect judge. While He is a loving God, He is a just God. Think of Christ as our perfect defense attorney. True, we will all kneel, and we will all account for our actions. However, Christ died for our sins so that we may be saved from damnation. He gave us the gift of the promise of eternal life. All we must do is accept his gift.
  
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- Twisted Mind
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:33pm
  Read your Bible
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:38pm
  Apparently you haven’t.
  
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- Twisted Mind
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:54pm
  Christ does do the judging. John 5 :22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. Romans14:10 for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. And I could go on but ,again I say READ your Bible
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:09pm
  The judgment seat of Christ is for believers. It is when his Church will get their rewards or suffer loss. All of us are saved, but our rewards will depend on our works. Some will barely make it in:
  
  => We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body whether it be good or bad. (2 Cor. 5:8-10)
  
  => For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation [CHRIST] with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. (1 Cor. 3:12-15) Here’s an excellent study: http://bible.org/article/doctrine-rewards-judgment-seat-bema-christ
  
  At the end of the ages, the unrighteous will stand before the Great White Throne. http://www.ldolphin.org/Gwhite.html
  
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- lala76
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:24pm
  You are taking both verses out of context. I highly doubt you’ve ever READ the bible and instead just use it as a reference to make whatever point serves you. That’s quite a dangerous approach when it comes to your faith.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 12:57am
  So we’re going to base the possibility of an after life(meaning of a scenario AFTER life) but people who have close to after life experiences?
  
  The reason they are called NEAR death experiences, is because they are NEAR death, they AREN’T death.
  
  There is no reason to make a connection between anything that goes on with the brain during life to something that goes on with the brain after life.
  
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Ragnars Repos
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:02pm
“You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever,“ ”You have nothing to fear“ and ”There is nothing you can do wrong.”

Compare this to the malevolent threats and intense shame that you get from organized religion. From original sin, to demons, to lakes of fire, and on, and on… IF what this man “saw” is real, surely the leaders of man-made religion will go to their hot place. They would certainly deserve it.

You criticize his writing/selling a book, but organized religion is one of the biggest money-makers in human history, if not THE biggest.

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- OniKaze
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:23pm
  I agree…
  
  I am an Agnostic because of that… I cannot “buy into” man-made religion, as I feel that EVEN IF it was accurate at one time, that has been bastardized over the years and has lost its meaning…
  
  I believe in God, and I don’t believe for one second that God (as an omniscient) would create beings to be evil, just so he could ban them to hell when they followed the path he led them to…
  
  I can not, and will never believe that God could be such an evil being.. That would make him the lowest of the low in my opinion.. And I refuse to believe God to such a being…
  
  I hope there is something after physical death… But I will NEVER claim to know what that would be like… God will show me, when my time is right… Until then, I am not meant to know…
  
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- tradcatholicgirl
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:18pm
  Onikaze,
  
  God did not ever create anyone or thing evil. He just created persons to whom He gave free will to reject or accept the good. He also created His angels that way too, which is why there exists demonized angels, such as Satan, whose main claim to fame is that he said to God: “NO, I will not serve.”
  
  God never created suffering or sickness either. Man’s rejection of God’s plan (DISobedience) is what created DISharmony and DIShonesty and DISease.
  
  With the perfect and infinite Love of God comes the perfect freedom to not love Him back.
  
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- Hkitty
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:51pm
  @ Ragnars Repos and Onikaze
  
  You are right in saying that God did not create man to be evil. But what he did was give us free choice to choose Him or reject Him by doing evil. Hell was not really created for his beings but he had to give us bi-pedal primates (lol) a place to go when we reject him.
  I know we Christians can be quite zealous in warning our fellow man of this and I apologize.
  
  Please be open to Christianity. It is the ONLY religion where God reaches down to His beings that He created and gives us a free pass to, as the doctor described it “the true nature of consciousness”. He did this by giving us his only Son to take on our sins. That is why God had to look away when Jesus was on the cross because all the evil in the world was “taken-on” by Jesus that day. One must question the love of this action. So humbling to know Jesus absorbed horrific things like child rape and murder, etc.
  All the other religions the person must work their way to Heaven. I know my sinful self sure could not do enough good to counter-weigh my bad.
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:06pm
  How sad to live your life and not enjoy GOD. Believe Him? of course, why not? but Have a relationship with Him? The greatest gift of all. HOW? Just ask. Humble yourself and ask Him “God are you real? I want to know” People who miss the moment by moment relationship with Abba Father miss most of life. SO many things happen every day/week/year when we have this great relationship with our Creator that the question(s) in our mind about HIS REALITY just disappear!
  GOD created us, He gave us free will…we’re the ones who have the choice. BTW: THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION of YOUR LIFE. It not only effects you, but everyone you are surrounded by!
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:16pm
  “You are right in saying that God did not create man to be evil.”
  
  Make no mistake, man created “god”, not the other way around.
  
  “But what he did was give us free choice to choose Him or reject Him by doing evil.”
  
  The religious sure do choose to reject him, by the minute if you “judge” them by the news.
  
  “Hell was not really created for his beings but he had to give us bi-pedal primates (lol) a place to go when we reject him.”
  
  Bi-pedal primates end up as dust, period.
  
  “I know we Christians can be quite zealous in warning our fellow man of this…”
  
  Zealous? Sure, if the murders of tens of millions of humans is merely a “zealots warning”.
  
  “Please be open to Christianity.”
  
  Not on your life. Nor will I be “open” to any other kind of anti-human death-worship.
  
  It is the ONLY religion where God reaches down to His beings that He created and gives us a free pass to, as the doctor described it “the true nature of consciousness”.
  
  “Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.” ~Carl Spackler, Caddyshack
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:25pm
  “He did this by giving us his only Son to take on our sins. That is why God had to look away when Jesus was on the cross…”
  
  Yeah, if I’d turn away to if I allowed heathens to hang my only son on a cross. You people are truly twisted…utterly twisted.
  
  When you’re not mutilating the genitals of baby males, your abusing children with threats of scary monsters and eternal pain and suffering, or your priests are practicing “celibacy” with them.
  
  In addition, you’re murderers, plain and simple. “Holier than thou” has murdered how many humans over the ages?
  
  When was the last time you heard about an atheist murdering another man because he was a different kind of atheist?
  
  When was the last time you heard about a rational man murdering another rational man?
  
  “Open to Christianity”…you must be joking. I love humanity and I love being alive. I could never hate life and love death, sorry.
  
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- CMDR6
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:31pm
  Ragnars Repos…..”
  When was the last time you heard about an atheist murdering another man because he was a different kind of atheist?”
  Uh, let’s see, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Pol pot, Stalin, All of the USSR dictators, and that is just recent history. Dude, evil is evil, even “in the name of God”. Just because people have committed terrible atrocities in the name of God does not change the fact that God is love. People can be evil…..but God cannot be. Plus who said that dying was evil anyway? Just putting your own spin on things, you little god you…creating your own existance……poof, gone like the wind. Get a grip son and and learn the truth, it will set you free.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:13pm
  @RAGNARS REPOS
  When was the last time you heard about an atheist murdering another man because he was a different kind of atheist?
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  Man, that is laughable. Atheists kill other atheists all the time. It’s called “purges.” They’ve also killed more religious people than nominal, organized religion. I don’t know of any true follower of Jesus Christ who has willfully murdered innocents. Now if Communism, Islam or any other of the Godless totalitarian regimes Satan has raised up throughout history want to impose their “submit or die” motto, that’s another story.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 7:45pm
  @ONIKAZE
  God will show me, when my time is right… Until then, I am not meant to know…
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  Are you so passive that you have not taken the step to go directly to God and ask Him to show you HIS truth? God never rejects anyone who comes to Him with an earnest heart. He knows we are weak and our understanding is very limited.
  
  The Bible says Jesus is at the door knocking… Has it ever occurred to you that you may be wrong about “I am not meant to know,” and that MAYBE it will be too late when you die? What will you tell God, that it was his duty to descend from heaven and slap some sense into you? You have been given ears to hear. Once you have heard, God holds you responsible.
  
  God never meant for sinful man to understand everything about Satan’s rebellion or man’s fall. It is enough that you understand that evil exists and you are guilty of wrongdoing. That should suffice to lead you to call on God. You’ll understand many things once your spirit man is birthed. When you get to heaven, you’ll have all your answers.
  
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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:05pm
  KRYPTONITE: “I don’t know of any true follower of Jesus Christ who has willfully murdered innocents.”
  
  You are aware of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy, Kryptonite?
  
  Hitler indeed was a christian and mentioned God many times, in his speeches and also in Mein Kampf.
  
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- Granny58
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:40pm
  Well organized religion aside, Jesus himself said not all would enter Heaven. I can’t reconcile somebody’s account that everything will be fine for everybody with my Christian faith.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:04pm
  @CALMONE
  Hitler indeed was a christian and mentioned God many times, in his speeches and also in Mein Kampf.
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  You guys. It would be funny, if millions of people had not been heinously murdered. Hitler had the spirit of antichrist, like all other workers of iniquity (powerful leaders sold out to Satan). Every true Christian he managed to get his hands on was either murdered on the spot or sent to a concentration camp. That vile spawn of the devil practiced the occult, for crying out loud.
  
  => “You are aware of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy?”
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  Well, dude, do you know what a lie is?
  
  Please. It’s the typical false premise liberals love to invoke, namely, that any rogue who calls himself an X is indeed an X. That’s how you have arrived at the conclusion that any illegal who calls himself an American is indeed an American.
  
  Go to the CHRISTIAN Book:
  
  “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, MURDERERS, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8). [emphasis added]
  
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- Chatikh
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 1:51am
  @Kryptonite
  
  “=> “You are aware of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy?”
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  Well, dude, do you know what a lie is?
  
  Please. It’s the typical false premise liberals love to invoke, namely, that any rogue who calls himself an X is indeed an X. That’s how you have arrived at the conclusion that any illegal who calls himself an American is indeed an American.”
  
  That would be a reasonable counter-argument, if being a member of a religion, which anyone can do voluntarily, and is even encouraged to do so, and if being a citizen of a country, which requires very many obstacles to overcome, were the same thing. They aren’t. When the only requirement to be a Christian and to go to Heaven is “believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior”, then who are you to say they are not Christian when someone does something bad?
  
  Under your logic, when someone murders someone else, they lose their citizenship to the US. Which, of course, doesn’t happen.
  
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- ModerationIsBest
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:24am
  Both sides make the assumption that if Hitler wasn’t a Christian, he was an Atheist and vice versa.
  
  To me this is mindless dribble.
  
  You could say he professed a worship in the Christian God, but didn’t really mean it, whatever.
  
  One thing IS clear though, he definitely was no Atheist. He obviously accepted the notion of some higher power with all of his continual references and pagan worship. Let’s not also forget how he essentially created himself to be worshiped as more then a man.
  
  His followers were UNDOUBTEDLY Christian as evidence from “Got Mitt Uns(God on our side)” on their belt buckles. Them having to swear allegiance on the almighty to Hitler and I think their first treaty was with the Catholic church.
  
  So Christians, if you don’t want to take responsibility for Hitler, that’s fine but that’s beside the point. He still shows the evilness and stupidity of people who accept things that are counter to reality….as all religion does.
  
  All of the past religions from the people who accepted the notion of Zeus, Allah, God, Jesus, show the absolute wickedness and stupidity of worshiping ANYTHING.
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:43am
  “Hitler, Chairman Mao, Pol pot, Stalin, All of the USSR dictators,”
  
  They killed other people because they were the wrong kind of atheists? Got any proof of this?
  
  Methinks you didn’t read what I typed.
  
  You Christians and Muslims are going at it as we speak. Where are the atheist crusades/wars in history? I mean, atheist on atheist because atheist A is “holier” than atheist B, like you cult members do it. Where is this war? Where has it ever occurred?
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 4:01am
  “Atheists kill other atheists all the time.”
  
  Really? For being a different kind of atheist?
  
  I don’t know everything about human history but it seems I would have stumbled across such an event at some point in my studies.
  
  Again, got any proof?
  
  (I know asking religious people for proof is 9 times out of 10 a futile endeavor, but I’ll give it a go for kicks.)
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 4:28am
  Christians, Muslims, communists, and Nazis are all highly deadly mystics. The last two did not murder millions over differences in atheist belief systems. They slaughtered so many innocents because their mysticism demanded it. The first two have different packaging, but their effect has the same basic cause: they hate the human mind. Mystics are mass murderers, period.
  
  “Only three brief periods of history were culturally dominated by a philosophy of reason: ancient Greece, the Renaissance, the nineteenth century. These three periods were the source of mankind’s greatest progress in all fields of intellectual achievement—and the eras of greatest political freedom. The rest of human history was dominated by mysticism of one kind or another, that is: by the belief that man’s mind is impotent, that reason is futile or evil or both, and that man must be guided by some irrational “instinct” or feeling or intuition or revelation, by some form of blind, unreasoning faith. All the centuries dominated by mysticism were the eras of political tyranny and slavery, of rule by brute force—from the primitive barbarism of the jungle—to the Pharaohs of Egypt—to the emperors of Rome—to the feudalism of the Dark and Middle Ages—to the absolute monarchies of Europe—to the modern dictatorships of Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and all their lesser carbon copies.” ~Ayn Rand
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:57pm
  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atrocities.html
  
  Bam.
  
  Do atheist regimes kill because they are atheist? Of course not. Atheists have no scripture we can pin them to (besides their own words, ofcourse)
  
  But does the ABSENCE of religion cause war and strife? (see the link above if you don’t agree)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:49pm
  @CHATIKH
  Let’s start from the bottom up. Under my logic, calling yourself an American doesn’t mean you’re one. You need to have met the requirements of the law. Same for a Christian. I never compared the citizenship requirements, i.e., what one must do to become a citizen. I compared the citizenship status. An illegal cannot lose his American citizenship because by definition he hasn’t met the requirements to become one. Likewise, a person who murders people is not a heavenly citizen because by definiton he hasn’t met God’s requirements to become a citizen of heaven (the Bible actually mentions citizenship).
  
  As for the requirements to become a heavenly citizen, you are wrong if you think being a Christian is about SAYING you believe Jesus is your Lord and Savior. It is true that the requirements are different in that God calls everyone to join his Kingdom, but heaven absolutely does not have open borders. You can’t just slip in. It is and always has been a covenant with God. In the New Covenant, you REPENT, MAKE Jesus your Savior, and agree to come under his Lordship, i.e., ABIDE by Kingdom laws (his Word). God, in turn, gives you a new spirit (a unique acquisition and the ID in the Kingdom of God), adoption (which some children on earth get when they change countries), as well as citizenship (God writes your name in the Book of Life). (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:53pm
  @CHATIKH (CONT.)
  You are confusing “doing something bad” with PRACTICING sin. All Christians are undergoing a process of sanctification. That means you will do bad things, but God expects you to repent and forsake that sin. The word “repent” does not mean saying you’re sorry. It means turning 180 degrees and forsaking that sin. So if you “do something bad,” God deals with you. There are many ways He uses to discipline his children. Sometimes, you can actually go to the equivalent of the worldly slammer. Once you become a Christian you start to become familiar with the laws of the Kingdom of God. Living/abiding in God’s Kingdom is a different experience, and it is not easy because we still have a physical body and God’s Kingdom exists in the spirit realm. That is why your spirit man has to be rebirthed.
  
  The NT is replete with verses that warn against people who say they belong to Jesus but are not. It is obvious you have not read the Bible, or you wouldn’t have such an erroneous view of Christianity. God EXPECTS us to discern when people are false Christians (spot illegals). Otherwise, we could be duped into following them or befriending them and coming under their ungodly influence. Just so you understand, illegals in the Kingdom of God are always evil, and their intent is to “steal, kill and destroy.” Thus, one of the ways to tell is by their fruits: (CONT.)
  
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  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 4:00pm
  @CHATIKH (CONT.)
  “BEWARE of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves…A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matt. 7:15-20).
  
  So now you know how God deals with fake Christians. There are other ways you can tell. If the person says he is a Christian, but willfully contradicts or alters God’s Word, he is a phony. A mature Christian can discern ID quite well. In Hitler’s case it’s a no-brainer. Obama too, although workers of iniquity get a lot of help from their master to deceive carnal Christians living under their sphere of influence.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 4:26pm
  @RAGNARS REPOS
  Christians, Muslims, communists, and Nazis are all highly deadly mystics. The last two did not murder millions over differences in atheist belief systems.
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  They absolutely did. It had nothing to do with “holiness,” but commies did and still do kill other commies who try to subvert or who threaten their atheist-inspired systems, i.e., those who are not “good commies” in the view of the prevailing commie.
  
  You just want to give atheists a pass, because you think atheism cannot be fanatical in its own right. It can and it is. And know this: Just because God is not in the equation, it doesn’t mean Satan is not, and he is as spiritual as they come. You may not recognize it or be cognizant of that key fact, but it is true. That is why commies and other totalitarians destroy religious freedom and kill mercilessly. You are so simplistic and obtuse, that you go by labels, instead of looking at patterns of behavior. Communism is (one of) the political antithesis of the Kingdom of God. Get saved, and then you will start to understand how the spirit realm operates and controls world political systems.
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:54pm
  @kryptonite
  
  “atheist-inspired systems,”
  
  Communism is an atheist-inspired system?
  
  You’re delusional in more ways than one.
  
  Do you have proof that atheists have murdered other atheists solely because of differences in their atheism, or don’t you?
  
  BTW, commies didn’t/don’t kill people because they were/are the wrong kind of atheist. That’s absurd on its face.
  
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- Ragnars Repos
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:09pm
  @The_Cabrito_Goat
  
  Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, is it?
  
  “When was the last time you heard about an atheist murdering another man BECAUSE HE WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATHEIST?”
  
  Mysticism kills people, not atheism. The chart on that god-awful website you referenced lists millions of murders perpetrated by mystics.
  
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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on October 10, 2012 at 12:07am
  There is nothing you can do wrong? So Hitler is enjoying himself right now.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 11, 2012 at 1:14am
  @RAGNARS REPOS
  You’re delusional in more ways than one.
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  Look who’s talking. Calling communists “mystics.” Hahaha.
  
  Yeah, it’s atheist-inspired: “The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.” (Karl Marx)
  
  => “Do you have proof that atheists have murdered other atheists solely because of differences in their atheism…”
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  Well, I have as much prove as you do regarding your claim. You cannot prove that Christians have killed other Christians solely because of religious differences. Any time you see countries or political regions committing mass murder, the lust for power is invariably the driving force. That being said, all political regimes/systems have a foundational belief system. You are just conveniently blind to the one that drives communism, namely atheism (or “the abolition of religion” in its most fanatical political expression) Since commies have no God to curb their baser human instincts, they have been the worst mass murderers of all time. They will be surpassed by Islam, but that’s another topic. (CONT.)
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 11, 2012 at 1:46am
  @RAGNARS REPOS
  Christians don’t murder, period. Calling Christians “mass murderers” is not only disingenuous, it is an oxymoron. It would be almost akin to my saying that all atheists are mass murderers because communists have murdered more people than any other political system in the world. While it is true that all commies are atheists — including that POS you voted for — it does not follow that all atheists are commies.
  
  => “BTW, commies…don’t kill people because they…are the wrong kind of atheist. That’s absurd on its face.”
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  Can you read? I said they’ll murder other commies who do not toe the line, but now that you mention it, could be. Say you were an average Joe living in the USSR and not only did you refuse to snitch on your Christian neighbor, but you befriended him. That would’ve made you “the wrong kind of atheist.” You both would’ve been shipped to Siberia or shot center mass, depending on whether the Chekist who arrested you got laid the night before.
  
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Patriot Rider
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:00pm
All religious view are theoretical at best. The existence of God and Heaven can not be proven or disproven, so that makes it a theory. I believe I will go to Heaven and be with those I love some day. If you do not, you better hope you are correct or…….

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- Chatikh
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:24am
  That makes it a hypothesis. Theories have lots of evidence.
  
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- AlmostaCowboy
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 4:44am
  Faith is neither a theory nor a hypothesis.
  
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Tri-ox
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:58pm
The Bible taught us this long ago.

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floridareader
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:57pm
Besides my own beliefs, I have read these two books and the stories are really amazing. Some could say the parents manipulated their children’s minds. For me, is only a matter of faith.
http://theboywhocamebackfromheaven.com/
http://heavenisforreal.net/

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- CatB
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 9:32pm
  I agree .. with medical science what it is now .. many people have had these experiences and come back .. what once might have been rare and not talked about .. now has a growing group of people who have experienced what we all will some day.
  
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NHwinter
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:56pm
Disappointing in what it didn’t say. I have read accounts of after death experiences that conveyed a lot more information on good and evil. What Heaven was like, etc. If I had a message for the world as important as he is saying he has, I would not charge for it. I would willingly share it to save souls.

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Mrsnary
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:56pm
I had a very realistic dream of heaven when I was much younger. It was a feeling so good you could not describe. When I woke up I just cried because I was no longer there. It made me feel this body of ours are prisons for the time being. I have since lost all detail of the dream but just remember the extreme sadness when I woke. It was most definitely heaven and I want to go back.

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momrules
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:56pm
I believe him. I have a profound belief in God, in Jesus Christ and in Heaven.

Dr. Alexander was given a blessing, a glimpse into the afterlife that is available to all of us.

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- txgrrl
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:10pm
  I agree with you. I wonder what God says on judgment day when he meets someone who spent their entire life disbelieving and trying to convert others into non-believers. They have a LOT to lose if they are wrong.
  
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- TheLeftMadeMeRight
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:07pm
  “I wonder what God says on judgment day when he meets someone who spent their entire life disbelieving and trying to convert others into non-believers”
  
  NEXT….
  
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ronin_6
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:54pm
Spirituality is one of the defining characteristics of humanity. Just as we enjoy self awareness so to we enjoy an awareness of something greater than ourselves.
To deny that spirituality is to deny ourselves one of the most necessary aspects of human existence. Even the atheist that rails and rants against the notion of an unseen world is at least indulging that part of their brain that cries out for spiritual recognition. By saying it doesn’t exist, unconsciously they are saying there is something to be against. Pondering the imponderable is after all one of the most taxing cerebral exercises one can do.
This is good news to be sure, but I have always believed in a here after. Its only the getting there that gives me pause.

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- Hkitty
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 5:13pm
  Wow…that is some really deep thinking. Thank you for sharing. Loved it!
  
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Bishopwatchman
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:52pm
He is the Way the Truth and the Life.

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Bytor
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:51pm
As I have always said, and I am not of the religious sort, there is something VERY magical about that special “spark” that is LIFE. No matter your religious views, you cannot escape the facts of that “spark”, which is something that nothing but GOD can create. Very profound! .. This article, and the story of this Doctor are outstanding! …. GOD bless! ..

…from a guy that is not religious (not in the traditional sense)

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- Patriot Rider
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:57pm
  Agree with you 100%. I am not a church goer but do believe in Heaven and the after life.
  
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truthoverlies
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:51pm
although I am a true believer, I am nonetheless comforted by these stories and am looking forward to reading the doctor’s book.

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- whatthecrazy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:04pm
  totally agree
  
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- CunningLawyer
  Posted on December 31, 2012 at 10:23am
  I am so dismayed at the level of misinformation this thread is giving out and at the utterly impossibly ill informed posts of the defenders of the atheists and yes at some of the defenders of Christianity. The attacks the atheists hand out, the insults and claiming that Hitler was a Christian. Hitler killed Christians along with Jews. He killed his own soldiers. He was a killer period no matter what he “claimed” to be or what you claim him to be or how you rewrite history to justify your hatred of religion and blaming it for everything. His actions proved him not to be anything remotely like a Christian.
  
  The Bible tells us they will know you by your works (actions). By their fruit you will recognize them. Matthew 7:16. Some will proclaim they are Christians but Jesus will say I never knew you. So in the end it will not matter what anyone said about anything, it will matter what the heart produced. I am not speaking of good works, but of the heart’s love for others even if you are bedridden and can’t lift a finger to hep others. Only God knows our heart, so no matter what we say if it doesn’t match our heart or our actions it is meaningless. I don’t think anyone would recognize the things that Hitler did as producing good fruit or good results.
  
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truthnstuff
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:48pm
Another stab at reality TV and book sales!

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nesmond
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:48pm
And if everyone gets to go to Heaven, that means I’ll have to spend eternity with Rosie O’Donnell, Michelle Obama, Whoopie Goldberg, Bill Maher, etc., etc., etc., NOOOOOOOOooooo!

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- 1956
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:13pm
  As a Christian, I believe that there is hope for everyone to come to the same faith and love of God that I have. If they do, I will celebrate it.
  
  However, the more rational side of me says it is not likely to happen. But one never knows when God will perform a miracle…
  
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- Rillobymorning
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:33pm
  There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. The Bible gives clear direction as to who is going to spend eternity with the Lord. It’s very simple really, God so loved the World that He gave His only begotten son, who so ever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
  
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FoxholeAtheist
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:44pm
Let me guess; there’s a book we should buy with vital information in it. That sounds familiar. I wonder how much Newsweek paid him for this interview.

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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:49pm
  Yeah umm POXIE? He’s a neurosurgeon. He knows what the brain does in extreme trauma so his position carries a lot more weight than that of a militant atheist liberal like you. Savvy?
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:02pm
  All of you can make fun, if you wish, until you experience an out of body thing. I was only 9 years old and didn’t die, but had the most wonderful experience, out of body. To this day, I can see exactly what I saw those many years ago.
  
  Perhaps I was given too much medication to knock me out and perhaps that’s why I had this very real and memorable event. I distinctly remember floating to the high ceiling of the room I was in and looked down on the Dr. and my mom standing there. I saw everything he was doing. Not a dream, it was real and I often wonder about why it happened. It has always given me a deep faith in God because I know there is more for us.
  Many years later when my grandmother was in hospital, she must have slipped away for a while and came back to tell my mom she was ready to go because she saw a beautiful place that was so peaceful and she wanted to go back to see the Lord. Yep! I believe it all.
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:41pm
  Hey, look! A jackass atheist!
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:21pm
  Cease the barbs.
  
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Slayer
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:43pm
I call BS on any story where the deceased is sent back to Earth with instructions to write a book and make a fortune on it, instead of telling us information – that could potentially keep us from the fires of hell – for free.

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- truthnstuff
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:50pm
  Gota go with you on that one.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:58pm
  unlike you champ…Dr Alexander is an accredited professional with a respected reputation among his peers. Now I know that in your sad little existence you have no reputation to sully and thus harm your “career” (if sitting around in your mother’s basement is a career) but reputations matter when you’re at the professional level Alexander is. Do you really think he’d risk his reputation on a lie? Again…you have nothing to lose. but he does.
  
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- Twobyfour
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:25pm
  People tend to dismiss free information — something along the lines of you get what you pay for.
  Th thing is, the stories of similar nature do exist and if you seek, you shall find them. His vocation adds maybe a degree of credibility, but if you compare stories available for free, you get roughly a composite that provides a hint/a feeble reflection of the experience.
  
  The thing is, it is not tanslatable into our experiential reality. Unless you experience it, you’d have no idea, and even the best wordsmith can’t convey the type of reality of NDE/TDE (near death experience/terminal death experience).
  
  One of the aspects of the experience is what people describe as “more real than anything in my life”.
  It’s true. In comparison, the “life” appears nearly dream like, almost like an illusion.
  
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nesmond
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:39pm
Why is the experience always positive? If everyone believes they are going to Heaven when they die, why should they try and be good? I never put my trust in what man says. They are so fallible.

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- floridareader
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:44pm
  Just wait until Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid or any of the smart gang has a near death experience. Then you will have your answer: not all accounts are positive.
  
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- cessna152
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:51pm
  Not all experiences are that of heaven and peace:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BEcz2hprZqs#!
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:53pm
  It’s not always positive. If you’ve read on the “near death” phenomenon you’d know that some people have come back from that state having experienced what we can only describe as “hell”.
  Hell has been described as being outside of God’s love and that’s what these people describe, an environment devoid of love.
  
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- spirited
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:41pm
  “….Why should they try to be good?”
  
  Being good is not for the reward of Heaven.
  >It is for goodness sake.
  
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- mandmsgirl
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:01pm
  Not everyone goes to heaven. Many years ago I died. The doctor pronounced me dead and they wheeled me to the morgue. I saw all of this as my spirit left my body and sat atop the ceiling watching. Later, I told the doctor everything I saw. After they wheeled me to the morgue, my spirit was drawn away and I was in a very strange place where everything was burning. I was not a Christian at this time. I had not gone in the barbed gate yet but a man dressed in white came up to me and said”you do not belong here.” I know now that I was in hell. The doctor was very excited because he said he had never seen anyone come back from the dead after that length of time. They also were astonished that I could repeat word for word all of their comments after I had been covered with the sheet. I now also know that I am here, not because I am a good person but because I have things to finish for His cause and this is what Christ meant when he said “You do not belong here.” He knows the beginning from the end.
  
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DIR
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:39pm
Tell this to an atheist. where even seeing isn’t to be believed. Many foolishly believe they have all the answers, however, there are still seemingly endless things to be discovered.

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- FoxholeAtheist
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:43pm
  Science makes discoveries. Religion makes messes.
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:50pm
  Oh…so sarin gas is religion’s fault or science’s?
  
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- 00100111
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:44pm
  Sure was an awful lot of science involved in nuclear weapons…
  
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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:19pm
  Thousands of people claim to have been abducted by aliens. By your logic, we must believe them, musn’t we?
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:22pm
  Perhaps God’s plan for you is to enter the bumper sticker making business, Fox. =)
  
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ThomasUSA
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:36pm
This experience of “life” is beyond our ability to fully comprehend. We don’t even know how our own bodies function let alone the true nature of our universe. I keep an open mind for all new perspectives that are based in goodness, truth and love.

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Watchingtheweasels
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:35pm
“”You have nothing to fear“ and ”There is nothing you can do wrong.”
- Eben Alexander

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
- Jesus

Curious contradiction, that.

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- sta
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:43pm
  Not really. He was already gone. There was nothing he could do at that point which would affect his outcome.
  
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- fractalman
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:06pm
  I second your statement, STA. He was not living a life that would’ve put him on a path to some “alternate existence” that Jesus was talking about (I think).
  
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mcsledge
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:35pm
Heaven exists. Hell exists. God exists. Christ exists. All have had witnesses who have so testified.

You can choose to believe their words or you can choose to call them liars. It’s that black and white. Unfortunately, those supposed liars will be their to reconfirm their testimony and those who disbelieve will have their fate sealed for eternity.

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- jrconte
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:42pm
  If god is all loving and merciful, how could there be a Hell? God said eye for and eye, did he not? So why contradict himself with a ETERNITY’ in HELL for a meer 80 years or so of SINS one may commit? it sounds out-of-balance to me. Besides, Since I did not ask to be born, how ca I be punished for eternity if I fail to come up to a standard? It seems like he would just let us remain dead, rather than punish. I DO believe in Heaven absolutly, by Hell is a more illogical concept.
  
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- SingerGuy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 4:28pm
  JRConte, you *did* ask to be born. As a pre-existent spirit you shouted for joy at the possibility of coming to earth to gain a physical body and to advance in your eternal progression (Job 38:7).
  
  The problem you have is that of defining hell. Jesus Christ said that in his Father’s house are many mansions (John 14:2) and Paul told us that there are resurrections that differ as much as the sun, the moon, and the stars differ from one another by degrees of glory (1 Corinthians 15:40-42). Hell is the separation from our Father in Heaven, and refers more to the damnation (or stopping) of our forward progress than to a physical torment. It is possible to fall short of being the very best we can be and still inherit a mansion in heaven that has the glory of the moon rather than the fullness of the glory of the sun. Thus we would be in *a* heaven while not being in the best possible heaven.
  
  A Heavenly Father with the amount of love described in this article would not punish His children in the manner you are describing. I firmly believe that every one of us will progress to the place we feel most comfortable, but that even the lowest of rewards will be an improvement from earth life and will feel like a heaven to the occupants of that degree of glory.
  
  (By the way, to any who may want to try and engage me in a religious debate, don’t bother. These are my beliefs, with a lifetime of study and prayer to support them, and I don’t have the time to play apologist.)
  
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- dimitrisokolov
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:20pm
  I can believe there are adult human beings that actually believe this nonsense.
  
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- Tractorboy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:46pm
  Singerguy…… Amen to your post Brother…..Well put….. God Bless
  
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- oneshiner
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:50pm
  All you have to do is read the book of Revelations. John saw the future of what’s to come.
  
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- Twobyfour
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:57pm
  Dimitri, what specifically you have an issue with?
  
  Well, it is supposed to be a surprise, in a ay, so you don’t have to believe. You’ll go through it when your time comes.
  
  There are some rules that have been a bit wrapped p in a digestable packaging. If you want your experience to be most pleasant, try to gauge your deeds by the way they affect others, because that is the main component of your judgment. Emphasis on “your”, it will be you who will be doing it and because there is no room for a lie or a self-deception, there won’t be a harsher judge than you.
  
  The concept of hell is largely misunderstood. In essence, it is re-experiencing your actions how it is experienced by others beside yourself. In raw, unadulterated form. And due to the fact that time thereafter does not correspond to our concept of time, it may be quite … hard.
  
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Truth4SureNuff
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:30pm
Amen, Heaven is real, the Lord God our Father, Jesus Christ his only begotten Son and The Holy Spirit reign supreme.

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- jcldwl
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:02pm
  Amen
  
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- Pontiaku
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 1:44pm
  “You can read Alexander’s Newsweek article for more or pre-order the scientist’s new book, “Proof of Heaven,” that will be released about his near-death experience later this month.”
  Yup, sure sounds like an honest account. Just pay him money for it.
  
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- TheCalmOne
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 3:07pm
  How do you know it wasn’t Valhalla that he went to?
  
  You don’t, of course, any more than you know that he went anywhere other than inside his own head.
  
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RedNeckMormon
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:27pm
Well Doc, its not rocket science, I have known this for years as confirmed by the Holy Ghost.
Glad you had your experience though….

“We are not physical beings having spiritual experiences, but exactly opposite, we are spiritual beings having mortal experiences.”

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