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See the ‘Surprising’ Recently Declassified Images of the Military’s Supersonic Flying Saucer Design

Oct. 8, 2012 10:08am Liz Klimas

Even though the White House has said aliens do not exist — based on current evidence — in the mid-part of last century the Air Force was at least trying to emulate the design and technology often depicted as being used by extraterrestrial life: flying saucers.

Declassified Air Force Report from Project 1794 Reveals Flying Saucer Development in 1950s

(Image: NDC Blog)

The National Archives blog recently featured declassified documents of Project 1794. This project, the blog states, was set to design a disc-shape aircraft that could perform “vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) plane designed to reach a top speed of Mach 4, with a ceiling of over 100,000 feet, and a range of over 1,000 nautical miles.” The work for the project was contracted by the Air Force to the Canadian company Avro Aircraft Ltd.

National Archives describes images from the declassified report from 1956 as “surprising, perhaps never before seen.”

(Image: NDC Blog)

The project’s final development summary states that reaching supersonic speed at such a high altitude was possible and the aircraft would have “satisfactory handling throughout the whole flight.” If the Air Force moved forward with creating the flying saucer prototype, which it acknowledged in the summary would require more performance tests, it was estimated to cost $3,168,000. Wired notes that today this would be $26.6 million.

(Image: NDC Blog)

Why doesn’t our military jet around it flying saucers now? As Wired points out, the project was scrapped in 1960 when they couldn’t get anywhere close to the altitude goal of 100,000 feet.

(H/T: Gizmodo)

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Mr Sanders
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:39pm
I remember the Avro Car. It was a daring leap in engineering – clearly a dreamer’s project.

It seems there’s a lot of engineering issues here. Computers for constant control? It would seem a turbine inefficient when transfering the thrust to adjust course and loss of energy. If using conventional fuels I would think, would be ineffecient. 1000 mile range seems a bit far-fetched but visionary. I think you could apply what we know today in tech and create something a bit more efficient to make free of gravity’s hold?

It seems the Germans during WWII were experimenting with these types of craft and have been described by earlier civilizations but not in war configuration but as transportation using what we call ‘unified field theory’ as a basis of propulsion. I don’t know but it sounds intriguing? Just things I’ve seen and read as I’m a closet engineer geek that ‘tinkers’ with ideas no matter how outlandish it could be thinking, “there has to be a better way?”

There is free energy everywhere – I think Tesla discovered something big, its too bad he didn’t complete it. Maybe we weren’t ready for it? I don’t know. God is cool, mysterious and wonderous all at the same time.

Overall, I think Avro was projecting a bit too far in there claims of speed/fight capabilities – maybe someone will pick up the torch, aey?!

May the dreamers keep coming!!

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- jhrusky
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:18pm
  I believe you are spot on. Tesla most likely discovered something that the powers that be could not allow to be developed and this is where free markets fail. If we allow companies to become as large and powerful as that of the energy markets, there will be people involved in them that will prevent their demise at any and all costs.
  
  Now, I do not propose to know how to fix such situations, but I certainly can see the damage the can cause and this is why: we’ve allowed businesses that grow to a huge size to lobby and dictate laws to be passed by our government to ensure their protection and their remaining on top of the world, e.g. Monsanto, Dupont to name a few. The majority of WE THE PEOPLE want GMO labeling on our food, yet Monsanto is large enough to have bought the verdict on this already in many states and to disallow consumers to know what they are eating. We see the same sort of corruption in industries such as cosmetics where legislation has been passed to make the bar high enough that most at-home startups simply cannot compete. The food industry as well — you cannot sell foodstuffs without a roughly $50K investment to build a commercial kitchen.
  
  These are not just consumer-protection issues … they are corporations ensuring their longevity by making it very difficult to compete with them. Money talks — because there are very few people living honesty and character today (and I doubt ANY in government!).
  
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- Mr Sanders
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:19pm
  Let’s remember, a mexican physicist’s work on ‘warp drive’ were just recently supported by cern and with less energy required, even utilizing space fabric itself . Although, the energy required is still out of reach for us at this time, we are drawing closer, as we push the envelope of our understanding.
  
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- RWCT
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 6:23pm
  The AVRO ARROW jet was a Canadian design, during Diefenbaker era, and the U.S. forced it to be shutdown. It was the predecessor of the Concorde, decades later. Many Canuck engs went into the U.S space program afterwards. I hear E.T. was a funny looking Canuck who spent time in AREA51!
  
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- lineinthesand
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:33am
  @JHRUSKY “this is where free markets fail”. Sorry dude, not really true. You even contradict yourself when you state that giant corporations influence government to pass regulations that protect the giant corps. That is actually true and goes to the point that our markets have not been “free” for decades. A true “free” market would not allow the creation of these regulatory barriers to entry and these technologies would be able to become viable. Now, we have all heard of the carburetor that was developed years ago that allowed vehicles to get 6 million miles per gallon but was supressed because the auto and oil companies wouldn’t allow it. Everybody knows someone who knows someone who knew a mechanic that has one of these carbs in his basement but is afraid to use it. Lets think about that for a moment….if it was what they said it was, don’t you think someone would have run with it given the profit potential?? Corporations are greedy….we are all greedy but corps are larger and easier to swing at, so we condem their greed. But it is greed that would have motivated someone or something to mainstream this as it would have given them the monopoly of the technology and control of that market which = big $. Much bigger $ than stuffing the tech in the closet to continue to make meager profits on the status quo. Green energy is a classic example. By your theory the technology has been developed to end fossil fuels but is being supressed by the giant corps. Real
  
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- lineinthesand
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:39am
  Part II…A technology that would revolutionize the world is something every business, person, entity, is dreaming of and would undoubtedly be exploited BECAUSE of greed. Now, having said all this, we are now in a regulatory environment that severely limits the amount of innovation that can be brought to market easily and is further hindered by a government that plays favorites with business and technologies and therein lies the rub. Free the markets and it will come.
  
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- Mr Sanders
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:50am
  I will say [and I believe] that in all endeavours…. healthy competition is the only way to foster innovation, creation, execution. If you do a great job with your prod/service… that money/profit will follow. When we challenge ourselves or asked to do so, sucessful or not, we are better for it.
  
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- jhrusky
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:04pm
  @ lineinthesand
  
  I stand corrected. I agree with you that regulatory barriers being fostered and promoted by big business are the problem. I incorrectly stated ‘free markets’ which you correctly point out that we haven’t had truly free markets for years.
  
  Can we ever get back to free markets? I dunno … doesn’t look good. In fact, this upcoming election SHOULD be 90% against Obama, yet it’s neck and neck, or at least close thus far. Once we cross the precipice of 50% of the people being assisted by government handouts, can we ever go back to a truly free country with truly free markets?
  
  Scary times we live in. I have to go find John Gault.
  
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Call2Action
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:04pm
In 1965, in CA, I was standing outside of my house with my brother and two other friends at 8:30 in the morning to walk to school. We heard an noise and looked up. About 1000 feet up was a flying saucer that looked very much like this one, only it had orange and gray coloring. It hovered for nearly 30 seconds before pivoting around and quickly disappearing out of sight, flying off at about a 40 degree angle. It was seen by many others. The evening paper, the Herald Examiner, I think, had a front page article about it. On the front page there was a stock picture of a UFO that looked like a silver upside down bolo hat, not anything like what we saw.

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- Voter47
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:03pm
  We can’t honestly believe that we are the only intelligent life in the universe.
  In 1976 my brother and I saw a object identical to the drawing hovering above our neighbors house about 9 o’clock pm. There were about twelve acres seperating our house from theirs. The UFO hovered above the house then shot a bright light down on the house. the UFO did not make any sound. The object then slowly moved away from their house about one hundred to two hundred feet above the ground. We then watched it move up really fast and stop then did a zig zag thru the sky and then zoomed away super fast. We couldn’t believe what we just witnessed. There were other sightings around the Corpus Christi Lake three weeks later. Years later there were sightings of three large red objects in the night sky around Corpus Christi which the police in the area followed until the objects disappeared.
  
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Lion420
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:56pm
It’s the saucer section of the U.S.S. Enterprise.

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thegreatcarnac
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:55pm
There is a 90 year old Nazi in a old age home in Berlin that’s nodding his head right now….”Ja…I made das”

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- saneromeo
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 3:54pm
  “You didn’t build that”
  Obama would tell the German…
  http://saneromeo.wordpress.com/
  
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commoncents5
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:53pm
Open your King James to EZEKIEL Chapter 1. What is Ezekiel describing to us? This is nothing new to Ezekiel because there is nothing new under the sun. There are no creepy aliens coming to get us just the creepy men in the current administration.

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- Man-On-A-Mission
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:02pm
  Your a joke….this has been under wraps before Obama. Blame the black man for everything….when the black man is what made this country rich!!!!!!!
  
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- t00nces2
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:29pm
  Generally, YOU’RE a joke if you try to insult people without knowing YOUR correct spelling and grammar.
  
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krazyolme
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:48pm
Now I can say it w/o being called KRAZY…..I believe the spacecraft that was flown by the Silons in Battlestar Galactica would really fly….

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- Dr Vel
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:35pm
  Sorry but no you cannot. It is nuts to believe Cylons or their ships are real. Think TV show!
  
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- krazyolme
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:51pm
  Sorry DOC….Didn’t realize I had to write a novel full of disclosures for someone to understand the premise of a statement about the particular shape of a fictional aircraft and it’s actual ability to fly. One would hope that a reader would most likely understand that BG was a show and actually read what I wrote. Heck, we are talking about flying saucers right?
  
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warhorse_03826
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:45pm
t’s a scaled-up avrocar. which didn’t work.

these illustrations are also in the book “secret projects flying saucer aircraft” by bill rose and tony buttler, published in 2006, between pages 64 and 72 so this is hardly something “never before seen”

it was called Project Silverbug..and when the avrocar couldn’t manage anything more than a hover of a foot or so, they cancelled everything.

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- 1TrueOne55
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:25pm
  And I believe that the History Channel has footage of a plane in the 50′s – 60-s that had “circular” wing surfaces. And these were designed from captured German Military aircraft plans that were in the research phases. Even the B2 “Batwing” Bomber was developed in the 1940′s by the Horner Brothers and was a flying prototype at the end of the war.
  
  You can also find other planes like this in a book called: “Secret Projects” of the LuftWaffe, they had both fighters and bombers in planing stages.
  
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- warhorse_03826
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:38am
  actually, this thing has no real “wing” surfaces at all. it is purely thrust-driven. the 6-8 turbojet or turbo-ramjet engines are arranged in a circle and exhaust into a central chamber, and then that pressure being directed out or down as needed. the theoretical boost in efficiency it was supposed to get from adding together the exhausts of all those engines never really worked.
  
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MachIV
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:32pm
Paging Art Bell….

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:44pm
  You have to shoot for George Noory these days. Art left in ’03.
  
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:29pm
Gee, wasn’t it the Nixon government that was trying to get everybody to pay attention to Comet Kohutek back in ’73? Hmmmm, what else was being investigated at the same time? This is more of the right hand deflecting our attention from their left hand. Interesting story though, but info released with a purpose.

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DAYWATCHER
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:17pm
I know this is off subject, but look for the US military to strike soon, maybe this week. Many of the B-52′s stationed at local air force base shipped out Sunday. They should be in Europe now ready to strike at a moments notice. Knowing Obozoo, he needs to blow something up to try and help his image on foreign affairs.

I’m just saying….

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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:30pm
  Really makes me laugh about that Nobel Piece Prize, LOL!
  
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schroeder123
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:51am
This is simply a mechanical designed device. No different than an experimental aircraft.
Nothing new here but the wing design.

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- GumRock
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:48pm
  they still have to find the little green men to fly it.
  
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derpolmeisterII
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:38am
Now we’re supposed to believe that the same people who have said for years, that saucers were none other than SWAMP GAS, are actually releasing a design for something completely unaffordable by private industry?

No thanks, I won’t bite.

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- Wolfgang the Gray
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 8:54pm
  Looks similar to the ship from Forbidden Planet (1956). Looks like a turbojet engine in the ship, definitely underpowered propulsion at the time.
  
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Quixotic-911
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:27am
I’m most interested in the power and propulsion systems and the way they could transform our world.

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N37BU6
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:23am
If anyone could have done it at the time, it was Avro.

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- Detroit paperboy
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:36pm
  Or HASBRO…………
  
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cookcountypatriot
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:21am
i remember buying candy that looked just like that,,,it was made from a wafer and inside were lil dots of sweet goodness,,,,,,deeelicious

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thibx
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:54am
i saw this same space ship in 1971. in the hill country of virginia i was traveling home with my 2 year old daughter about 1:30 am. there was snow on the ground but not on the road. t turned on a country road to my house about 5 miles down this road with a large valley and mountains on each side. i saw that the hood of my car and the surrounding area was lit up thinking it was a spot light coming from a business some where i kept driving. when i realized this could not be a spot light i looked up through my windshield and saw this thing. it kept following me when i got to my house i pulled onto the carport grabed my daughter and hurried inside. knowing this thing was still out there i locked us in a bathroom with no window. after about 20 minutes i came out peeped out the livingroom window this thing was still there about 50 ft off the ground of my front yard. it was well lit up where the windows are and had lights shining down on the yard and house. did not see anyone there where these windows were. it made no sound. i watched thing move slowly across the road and shot off at lighting speed. i don’t know what they wanted with me. the thing scared the crap out of me. did not tell anyone for a long time.

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- USPATRIOT101
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:21am
  “bazinga”
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:26am
  me and mine have seen things that will turn you wh ite…
  
  go to youtube search pilot’s / ufos…all kinds of testimonials.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:49pm
  You didn’t get probed did you?
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ozx4vw8kQ0&feature=related
  
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- DIR
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:00pm
  When I was a boy, there use to be this nice neighbor lady who would come visit my parents. On several occasions she claimed she had worked for an aerospace company that was working on flying saucers. At the time she seemed credible (had some interesting knowledge that would have been hard to fabricate). Later she started heavily hitting the bottle (excessive drinking of alcohol) displaying nutty characteristics, especially when she’d go to a then famous actor’s house (Sterling Hayden) who lived around the corner, and in a rowdy display challenge him to come out and make lover to her. I figured the flying saucer thing was probably nonsense. Who knew.
  
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- razhunter100
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:25pm
  no but cartman did…twice.
  
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- warhorse_03826
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 2:31pm
  yeah that wasn’t one of these. these are lifted purely by engine thrust. imagine 6-8 screaming fighter jet engines arranged in a circle. you wouldn’t have been able to think near it.
  
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- glenda2012
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:40am
  My husband & I saw this in 1976, It was big as a house, didnt make a sound, & extremely bright lights coming from it’s windows,
  Never will forget it.
  
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woodyee
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:47am
Does this mean that the folks watching Area 51 weren’t nuts after all?

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- Aviyah
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:54am
  No, I’m afraid not. Now they will just need to get to work altering their theories.
  
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- warhorse_03826
  Posted on October 9, 2012 at 2:42am
  most of the stuff at area 51 is misdirection. fighter pilots joke about flying out of there with lights on or off or putting different colored lenses on the lights, just to mess with the civilian spotters.
  
  the real stuff is at the Woomera Range in Australia.
  
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Edohiguma
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:31am
As some have pointed out correctly, it’s not new, as seen with the Nazi flying saucers. The US took a lore more than that from Nazi Germany. Prior to WW1 Hugo Junkers designed the first flying wing. Later, under the Nazis, the Germans built the first actually airborne flying wing. If you take a B2 and compare them, the German version back then could fly without all the fancy computers that are now required to get a flying wing in the air.

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- exposejesuits
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:38am
  Clearly, Knight of Malta Geoffrey T. Boisi is one of the Order’s “movers and shakers” in the grand theft and destruction of the American peoples. Part of that orchestrated “chaos” is the plot to “outsource” American jobs to foreign nations whose laborers work for slave wages.
  Adviser Douglas R. Brehm has discovered the Company’s power behind the nation’s corporate outsourcing of American jobs via the duplicity of Knight Boisi. It is also worthy of mention that former General Electric head Roman Catholic Jack Welch is connected with Boisi, remembering that GE is one of the Order’s foundational contractors for the building of the Vatican Empire’s anti-gravity craft commonly called “UFOs.”
  
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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:19am
  Expo
  
  What?
  
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razhunter100
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:28am
foo fighters…not just a name of a band.

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4-The-Truth
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:24am
That either explain some of the sighting or that our government is still actively covering up the UFO issue.

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kevin542
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:24am
ummmmmmmmm

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- AmericanStrega
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:58am
  Yep, my thoughts exactly!
  
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razhunter100
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:24am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxNFL_qm-AA

Hitler`s Flying Saucers Part 1

took less than a min to find …dam sad.

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Gonzo
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:24am
Bigfoot will pilot it.

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- USPATRIOT101
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 11:24am
  ..and the easter bunny will be the navigator.
  
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American_Idle
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:23am
Has anyone else noticed how much Leon Panetta looks like ALF ?

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:37am
  Mr. MaGoo.
  
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- RJJinGadsden
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:52pm
  AMERICAN_IDLE, Dang, now that you mention it, he really does.
  
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- thegreatcarnac
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 12:53pm
  Yeah…he does look like Alf…but Alf was smarter.
  
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- hawaiianninja
  Posted on October 8, 2012 at 1:51pm
  I agree with thegreatcarnac, Alf is a lot smarter…and funnier. But now that you mentioned it, it does seem to explain a lot of the lunacy and alien wackiness going on in the administration! ;)
  
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razhunter100
Posted on October 8, 2012 at 10:21am
germans…
we took all info from them.

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