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MSNBC Host: Without Affirmative Action in Colleges, the ‘Entire Leadership of America Would Become Entirely White’
During Tuesday’s edition of MSNBC’s “The Cycle,” co-host Touré made the argument that without affirmative action in colleges, “the entire leadership of America would become entirely white.”
This, he explained, is barely a “whitewashing of what we already have” in America today.
“The Cycle” hosted Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor Jr., the authors of “Mismatch: How Affirmative Action Hurts Students It’s Intended to Help, and Why Universities Won’t Admit It.” Touré began by citing the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which called their work “junk science,” in an attempt to discredit them before even allowing them to make their case.
“You suggest that it’s better for these black and brown students to go to second tier schools rather than to go to Harvard or Yale, the first tier schools. The entire Supreme Court comes from Harvard or Yale. Almost all presidents, Harvard or Yale – all the top of corporate America,” Touré said.
“So, if we follow your prescription then the entire leadership of America would become entirely white, which is just a barely whitewashing of what we already have,” he added.
Sander, a UCLA law professor, said the problem with Touré’s argument is “the fallacy of whether leaders come from top schools because they went to the top schools or because the top schools were good at admitting the strongest people.”
“The fact is, that there would be lots of black and brown people at elite schools without racial preferences. And they wouldn’t have the cloud of whether they benefited from racial preferences hanging over them,” Sander explained.
He added that “Mismatch” doesn’t advocate for eliminating “racial preferences” but rather to “curtail them in a couple of ways” and provide transparency about the issue.
For example, he said when African-American students are admitted into law school, they aren’t told that only one in three blacks entering law school will graduate and pass the bar in their first attempt.
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Gregb
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:09pmit would only happen if dems were in control. they are racist. When Republicans get in control – race does not matter and it will only be the racist democrats that will still be bringing it up.
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Zer0
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:17pmYep.
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The_Jerk
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:20pm” The entire Supreme Court comes from Harvard or Yale. Almost all presidents, Harvard or Yale – all the top of corporate America,”
Earn it and you can succeed too. Affirmative Action gives to those who do not earn. It’s a handout based on race, institutional racism.
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angelcat
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:56pmThe man sure doesn’t give much credit to other blacks, does he? I guess he thinks none are capable of getting into college and doing well on their own and working to succeed in the real world. How racit!
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mtcountrygrl
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:56pmThis is THE most racist thing I have ever heard. “Minorities are too stupid to get into college on your own”. WOW!
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Individualism
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:56pmthat is an aka statement whether they realize or not of saying White people are the only race with the brains to get into college. that to me sounds like bigotry don’t it?
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TruthMonkey
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:59pmAffirmative Action is wht we have in the white house.
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Capt_Gregg
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:15pmI would argue that it’s better to be admitted on your own merit to a state university and do well than to be an affirmative action student at Harvard and fail. Good grades as an undergraduate in a “second tier” university can pave the way to a graduate degree from Harvard or Yale.
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Secret Squirrel
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:29pm.
Didn’t the MSNBC host just say blacks can’t make it on their own?
Sounds racist to me.
I feel sorry for talented minorities, because everyone assumes you got special treatment.
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rennyangel
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:30pmOh, everything will still be racist because we can’t vote out NBC, ABC, CBS. yadda, but it just shows how much the media and MSNBC really thnk about all minorities: stupid jerks who could never achieve on their own. That is racism in a nutshell.
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loriann12
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 7:53pm@angelcat
That was my very first thought – how racist is that? He actually thinks blacks aren’t smart enough to get into college without help from whitey? Why is race or sex even on the application…it should be based soley on grades. you don’t get high enough grades, you don’t get in. My dad was an affirmative action hire (handicapped because he only had one eye – lost it at 15 in a motorcycle accident), but he proved himself capable many times over. If colleges ran on grades only and it was a high precentage of whites and orientals, it should shame the other races into working harder. But with Obama, you shouldn’t have to work because he didn’t have to. Everything was handed to him.
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kenboo1
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:07pmTouré is a racist. Leadership is earned not given. I would follow Allen West to the gates of hell if he asked me to. If Touré or Obama asked such I would have to laugh… All you have to do is think about the differences – Touré or Obama have been given everything and Colonel / Congressman West has eared his respect. What an example of a true American!!!
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SLAPTHELEFT
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:11pmWhat the hell is a toure? Is it like a Madonna?
Evidence of why no one watches msnbc. Ever.
And btw, ivy league schools suck. What a waste of money. Just check out rules for radicals from the library and save 300k. What an absolute tool. Gotta go take a toure of the commode.
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LilPinkPuck
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:34pmHow can he justify this? Is it fair to go to an Ivy League school because of skin color? No one wants to try harder to get better. It’s handed to them, a society of “it’s good enough” where is the competitive nature, people thriving for excellence?
How about the “black and brown” people who busted their asses to get there but are being stereo typed? It’s unfair….it’s racist….it’s sickening.
This country is in big trouble and if Barak Hussein Obama is re-elected, there is no change, nothing gets better. People spend more time researching a tv or car they want to buy rather than educating themselves, about the candidates, foreign policy, the economy and many other important issues.
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HappyConservative
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:56pmOk. I am SO OVER Toure. He is as offensive to me as a man wearing a KKK hood is to blacks. I know MSNBC is entirely all about race, but this guy is ALWAYS so over the top in white hatred, I cannot believe they put him on a news show.
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Wolfgang the Gray
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 9:19pmKind of matches Obama’s speech from 2007 where he was spewing tons of racial hatred.
MSNBC – Many Socialists Now Barack’s Communists
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Cemoto78
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:33pmThis POS throws the race card around more than all the card dealers in Las Vegas combined. He really has a deep seated hatred for white people. Why would MSNBC keep such a racist employed? Never mind about that question it kinda answers itself.
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radargeek
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:35pmWhat we have in the White House (the incompetent moron “harvard professor”) is exactly why we should not have AA.
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conservativemom99
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:55pmwow. I truly believe that minorities who want to attend and succeed in higher education will do so with or without affirmative action…AND…the respect they will receive through their dedication to that education will go farther to mend racial issues in this country than any special privilege ever would…
You can’t stop determination…and that determination to succeed has been watered down because of affirmative action…
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ObamaForward_OverTheCliff
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 12:14am“[black] MSNBC Host [Touré]: Without Affirmative Action in Colleges, the ‘Entire Leadership of America Would Become Entirely White’ ”
Black Touré affirms the urban truth of “stupid níggers”. Yes, Touré, stupid níggers shouldn’t cut-in-line to “higher education” before QUALIFIED (smart, studious) Americans. Otherwise will end up with Obama.
Doh!
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yougottabekidding
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 6:34amThis black man is saying blacks are stupid and the only way
a black person can get to the top is eliminate the compation!
Affermative action = The dumbing down of America
I personally would not go to a black doctor. It has nothing to do with
racism. It has to do with did he get there because of affirmative action?
I didn’t live in a third world country (that is changing fast ) why should
I want to ” settle for less”?
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MRMADMAN
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 7:20amEntire Supreme Court went to Harvard or Yale. Game, Set, Match. Wait, Clarence Thomas went to Yale and said that law firms wouldn’t take him seriously because of Affirmative Action. Damn facts.
At least Toure works for MSNBC where facts don’t matter.
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yougottabekidding
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 7:43amI remember some dean of a “higher education” do an interview and say how proud she was to be able to admit far less qualified people over everyone else. Not exactly her words, BUT!
Anyone remember the fire fighters that were not promoted because none were black so the test must be racist. How do you fashion a test for a firefighter that involves, basically, where to place arriving equipment, how to attack the fire, the signs of impending flash over, etc.things that save or lose lives to be racist? The bigger question is do you place your life in the hands of someone that got to their position because of affermative action? That includes the general public white, black, green, what ever!
Thats like going to any street corner and picking someone to give $10000 to and say invest this for me!
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poorrichard09
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 9:00amHe sure has a low opinion of his people doesn’t he? A perfect example of the progressives plantation victim mentality.
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oldguy77
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 9:13amTwo countries,Canada or Mexico.Where would you rather live?One ruled by whites one ruled by browns. Europe or Africa?One ruled by whites the other by blacks. Just seems like south of the equator you have chaos and poverty and north you have prosperity. Just seems like living in the jungle does something to a person.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 10:25amIt really is incredible that black students believe that they are entitled to go to the best schools even if they don’t qualify schoolastically. They see nothing wrong with flat-out telling some white kid, who gets better grades than they do, to go somewhere else and suck eggs. We do not owe the black man a GD thing. Nothing but an even playing field. Oh, but we can’t have that. They don’t want an even playing field. Even playing fields are for white suckers.
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getitgotitgood
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 10:47amHA HA HA lol lol lol lol lo no kidding duh!!!
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Apo
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 1:04pmIf it weren’t for affirmative action America would be a lot more productive than it is today.
If you are skipped over because of your race when you are more qualified than the other guy – America looses.
Racial quotas are the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. If you suck, you suck, regardless of your race.
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Independent4233
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 2:17pm“MSNBC Host: Without Affirmative Action in Colleges, the ‘Entire Leadership of America Would Become Entirely White’ ”
Well, that’s the only thing this fool has ever said that makes sense.
And he’s right.
But he might have added that without AA blacks would not constitute the overwhelming majority of government workers and many corporate jobs, because they’re unqualified and have been appointed simply because they are black and can’t compete on a level playing field.
In essence what he’s doing is admitting what literally thousands upon thousands of tests and real life experience proves, and that is blacks need an unfair advantage over everybody else or all the vast majority can qualify for are janitors, laborers, and maids. Him and his unintelligent rants are living proof of that.
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desertspeaks
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 2:21pmaffirmative action = lower entrance exams, easier testing to insure people of color make it through = higher mortality for the rest of us.
The only reason Touré is where he is is because of affirmative action! otherwise, he’d be a black panther community organizer screaming about how the white man keeps him down!
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dmerwin
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 9:09pmIs Toure saying that minorities cannot compete on a level playing field??? What crap. I work in health care with an incredibly diverse, well educated team. He needs to get out more. I was a hiring manager of OR nurses and techs and NEVER considered anything other than drive, knowledge and ability and I (Caucasian) hired, Blacks, Latinos, Asians and, yes other whites. My workforce exactly mirrored the overall composition of the population as a whole. We saw the potential in the INDIVIDUAL as the key component. One question for Toure. Do you want your ICU or OR nurse to be hired on the “affirmative action” criteria or would you like to have THE BEST PERSON for the job???
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floridareader
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:09pmThat guy is ignoring the number of black Americans (mainly conservative) that lead their communities in the right direction. If he means black liberal leadership and does not like what could happen after Obama leave America’s White House, he can move to Africa, where all black liberals keep the continent in the shambles it has been for ever, and where black liberals (AKA communists) kill their own people to remain in power.
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:08pmWhy is it impossible for minorities to see what an insult affirmative action is?
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Dodecahedron
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:25pmI’m a minority (Asian) in the U.S. and I know it’s a racist policy. Similar to the U.C. system not letting more of my race in because…. well, there are too many of us in school. Race should NOT be used in any admission policy.
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HKS
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:27pmAffirmative action is a brick on black accomplishments, like an asterisk on baseball records in the hall of fame. As Obama would say, “you didn’t build that”.
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HumbleMan
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:20pmI agree with Mr. 12-sided. Asians are a great example of how immigrants who have a great deal to overcome become incredibly strong because they must strive to succeed. I work in hi-tech, and the most motivated and successful engineers and scientists (under the age of 40) are from India, Pakistan, China and Malaysia. Home-bred Americans are few and far between. (Thank you teacher’s unions.) In the private sector, we don’t have quotas (yet).
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IntheDirt
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:41pmHow are minorities not offended by Racism? I am a white guy but if they started affirmative action in reverse, I would be offended that the government doesn’t think I am smart enough. Stupid.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 10:32amAA does hurt the black students, but they are too stupid to realize it. They don’t realize that when you accomplish something like getting a college degree, and your grades are weighted differently because you are black, and you get into schools because of your race, and other human beings are being flat out discriminated against in order for you to attend, and “succeed”, then that makes that diploma worthless. Whenever I see a black person in a high position or with a good job, I immediately dismiss it as NOTHING because I know that they probably do not deserve to be there. They are just tokens to shut up the race quota goons in the govt. I know I am not alone in thinking this.
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oldguy77
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 1:32pmI have lived a long life and met many people,also heard a lot of stories of blacks who tried to pass for whites,but I have yet to see or hear a story of a white person who tried to pass for black.Also tons of mexicans trying to sneak into this country but never hear of people in this country sneaking inti mexico.Ever hear of boat loads of blacks fleeing this country to go back to the old country?
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bikerr
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:06pmUsing Liberal talking points —-co-host Touré is now a racist.
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blackyb
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:05pmBlacks have affirmative action that is nothing but a vehicle for the communists to use to dumb down even farther those blacks (if that is possible) and spend money that belongs to all American people, not just loser blacks who suck up everything they can free and not work. Our sorry whites help you do this who have hardly ever worked a day in their lives, just to set the record straight. Those in a position to if the right wins this election should shut all this mess down and let everyone stand or fall. We owe no one anything, but a chance. Blacks have had more chances than whites, but they are still overall destroying everything around them. The ones who have made it have done it for the most part on their own, just like their white counterparts. The U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare needs to be completely shut down.
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damon_k
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:10pmAffirmative action is an insult to anyone who is the beneficiary of it. It says that they can’t make it because they aren’t smart enough or good enough and that some politician is their only hope. Read more insights at: http://smallcraftadvisorychronicles.blogspot.com/
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:15pm.
Affirmative Action=White Man Guilt
Apology for slavery.
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DIR
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 12:53amLeroy (Touri) rides again. This idiot doesn’t know when to shut up. I can see why he thinks affirmaitive action is necessary, he wouldn’t qualify as a shoe shine boy let alone college if not for affirmative action. He wants everyone to think he’s brilliant, though over time has proven to be terminally stupid. He obviously knows the only way he’d qualify for college is if standards for admittance are dropped through affirmative action. Since he obviously thinks he’s one of the smarter blacks around, it stands to reason that he believes other blacks are not as brilliant, and would also need affirmative action to get into college He appears to be confirming what anti black racists have said all along, blacks are stupid. The KKK’s got to love this guy. In Leroy’s case, a brain transplant sounds like his only option. I wonder if a normal brain would fit. His is probably the size of a marble and even at that he’s not using much of it.
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Mil-Dot
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 10:40amYou can have all of the degrees from Harvard and Yale that you want to, but a stupid AA applicant will be found out every single time. They are not fooling anybody. And they want respect-Pfffttt….
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Mil-Dot
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 10:46amWhat you guys say is true, but you know what? The black AA man or women recipient (yes recipient) does not care. As long as they get the promotions and the good jobs and the money they just point at the snowman and laugh-”ha ha. See what I got whitey and you don’t. Now go suck eggs”. That is what they think. They don’t care that others look down on them. They love it that whitey is getting discriminated against. They absolutely love it.
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:05pm.
Some times, it’s better for the well-being of all mankind, for the playing field to not be level.
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HKS
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:41pmDoes that make you feel better?
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Johnny916
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:04pmAnother reason why I do not support liberal politics. Affirmative action has never work and should not be used.
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:10pm.
We need to get rid of Affirmative Action and Political Correctness.
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biohazard23
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:04pmAnd…? Everything should be merit based anyway. Who takes this twit seriously? Anybody??
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intercepter
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:02pmI am so tired of this ,,,yeah yeah yeah yes ok I’m a racist ,I don’t care anymore ,it don’t matter until the day comes where they strap their balls on and tell me to my face ,,I don’t care ,,they pushed this as far as they can and its old its done move on before you turn me into what you accuse me of
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strawberry411a
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 9:31pmAgreed. The name calling is meaningless now. We are fighting for survival of this country and nothing else. Affirmative action has failed. Stand on your own or don’t stand at all. Obama has ensured that a black man or woman will NEVER be elected in this country to the level of the presidency again. EVER.
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Mike Benton
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:02pmSo no Black was able to stand on his own?
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702TruthSeeker
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:45pmyup.. that’s the message being sent.. if your skin is black you need a hand out because obviously there’s something wrong with you and you can’t be as successful as someone with a different skin color….
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LeadNotFollow
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:02pm.
Affirmative Action is one of the worst things to ever happen to Americans.
Instead of the minority raising himself up to a higher standard, the bar was lowered to his level.
Would you want a surgeon who had the bar lowered? A surgeon who was given a scholarship off the taxpayers? A surgeon who had points added to his grade scores, that he did not earn? A surgeon who was given a free pass, just because of his skin color?
We already have a President who is the product of Affirmative Action. Look at the damage he’s done in just four years.
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kimosd1
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:00pmMost of our leadership comes from the Ivy League and this is what get for it ?!
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vic138
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:00pmWhite or Asian. Toure should be telling “his” people to study up…
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blackyb
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:59pmThe blacks do not have any real leadership. The ones who could lead are the ones they mock. No, we do not want black (or white) thugs running this country. Take your thugs and leave our country if you think you are going to continue your ‘hoods’ across America. We want no part of you or your ‘hoods.’ You are ignoring leaders like West, Cain, Jennings and Keyes who could help your communities. You want slums, sorriness and leaving your families to chase drugs. You are a nothing people when you do this and Americans are ashamed of you, both white and black.
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mike551
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:06pmWell said sir. IMPEACH THE MUSLIM OBAMA NOW!!!!
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Windborne
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:59pmSo … MSNBC’s Touré is a white supremacist but feels bad about it?
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Wool-Free Vision
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:09pmExactly my thoughts.
The point he is making is an insult to every educated black American.
Leftists are blinded by their own arrogance. They are too busy spewing words out of their mouths to actually recognize what those words are actually saying. And, failing completely to comprehend their own message, they will proceed to dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back for being the smartest person in the room.
Liberalism must surely die, though not nearly soon enough.
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762x51
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:58pmHow funny is it then that the first non-white leader of America has been a star studded, strike up the band, all time FAILURE?
Barack Obama is the poster child for the failure of affirmative action or as it is more correctly identified, government approved discrimination.
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drs1969
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:36pmHopefully, he’s the ‘high-water mark’ for Afirmative Action, if not Ivey League control of Washington, as well.
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korbin
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:56pmWithout affirmative action in our prisons they would be empty.
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blackyb
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:56pmIf this is the best blacks have to offer as leadership, then White must be Right.
Where are people like Alan West, Herman Cain, James David Jennings, and more who talk like they have good sense? This is the kind of leadership blacks should have.
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13th Imam
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:59pmThey have those options now. They just don’t offer the same freebies that Toupee and the other pimps push
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strawberry411a
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:55pmUnfortunately AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY the shameful record of black leadership (read DETROIT et al) does not give many citizens hope that blacks have the welfare of the ENTIRE country in mind. Never have race relations been worse and NEVER has a race of people been given so many opportunities and blown them ALL.
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762x51
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:59pmNo Black leadership has the entire country on welfare on their minds.
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Psychosis
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:54pmi hope tourrette syndrome get brain cancer and it is operable
then when he meets his brain surgeon, it is a black man passed forward through affirmative action
he can enjoy drooling fro the rest of his life because his doctor didnt deserve the grades he got and screws up his operation
a bit cold? maybe , i dont really care anymore
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grimmster
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:54pmWait, isnt that statement racist?……..
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2MINUTESTOMIDNIGHT
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:28pmThe liberal view that blacks and other minorities are simply too stupid to make it on their own is both demeaning and degrading; yet the very subjects of the degradation cling to it and support it in near desperation.
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TSUNAMI_22
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:53pmMSNBC Host: Without Affirmative Action in Colleges the ‘Entire Leadership of America Would Become Entirely White’
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What if we offered them a free phone?
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kenboo1
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 8:12pmYou would get their vote!!! Whatcha runnin fo???
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its_about_time
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:53pmI hope Marc Lamont Hill’s younger brother doesn’t find those authors.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/columbia-professor-mocks-columbus-day-with-list-of-15-most-overrated-white-people/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-shows-teen-viciously-sucker-punching-high-school-teacher/
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cassandra
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:52pmthat statement should make all Blacks angry as hell, so he is saying schools have to lower their standards to let them in ? that is insulting and racist say that to Condi Rice,Allen West,Charles Payne,this proves how racist democrates really are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RJJinGadsden
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 6:14pmThat is exactly it. I knew a number of African-American officers in the Army who actually hated affirmative action. They even felt at times as if that is the only way other people viewed them, rather than their personal ability, skills, intelligence, and diligence to duty that actually got them where they were.
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IrritableGimp
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 5:51pmtypical of those irrelevant, non-news reporting, washed up racists. I figure that if they keep calling everybody racist, it’s because they are the racist. I just can’t wait until they no longer have any audience..which is happening quickly!
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Welcome Black Carter
Posted on October 9, 2012 at 10:30pmWe now have an affirmitive action president. Not working out so well. When you dumb down the system, we all lose. We are stuck with a president who “punches below his weight class’
Not much longer though…
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