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AP Fact Check: Who Lied About What During VP Debate?

Oct. 12, 2012 1:14am Jason Howerton

Editor’s note: The following fact check is from the Associated Press.

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AP Fact Checks Vice Presidential Debate Between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan

US Vice President Joe Biden (L) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R) shake hands prior to their debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, October 10, 2012. (Credit: AFP/Getty Images)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Anyone who paid attention to a hearing in Congress this week knew that the administration had been implored to beef up security at the U.S. Consulate in Libya before the deadly terrorist attack there. But in the vice presidential debate Thursday night, Joe Biden seemed unaware.

“We weren’t told they wanted more security there,” the vice president asserted flatly. During a night in which Biden and Republican rival Paul Ryan both drifted from the facts on a range of domestic and foreign issues, that was a standout.

A look at some of their claims:

BIDEN: “Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security again. And by the way, at the time we were told exactly – we said exactly what the intelligence community told us that they knew. That was the assessment. And as the intelligence community changed their view, we made it clear they changed their view.”

RYAN: “There were requests for more security.”

THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at the hearing a day earlier.

Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. “Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it,” she said.

Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was “abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?”

He said his exasperation reached a point where he told a colleague that “for me the Taliban is on the inside of the building.”

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RYAN: “Look at just the $90 billion in stimulus the vice president was in charge of overseeing – this $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.”

THE FACTS: Dismissing an entire package of energy stimulus grants and loans as “green pork” ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient, grants to public entities constructing high speed rail lines and tax credits to manufacturers to install equipment fostering cleaner energy.

To be sure, there were notable failed investments, such as $528 million to the politically connected and now-bankrupt solar power company Solyndra. But Ryan’s claim made it sound like every penny went down the drain.

More broadly, economists are nearly universal in saying Obama’s $800 billion-plus stimulus passed in early 2009 helped create both public-sector and private-sector jobs, even if they fell short of what sponsors had hoped. Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimated the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs.

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BIDEN: “We went out and rescued General Motors.”

THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.

— RYAN: “And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors. This board, by the way, it’s 15 people, the president’s supposed to appoint them next year. And not one of them even has to have medical training.”

THE FACTS: Ryan is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created under President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul law. It has the power to force cuts in Medicare payments to service providers if costs rise above certain levels and Congress fails to act. But it doesn’t look like the board will be cutting Medicare “each and every year,” as Ryan asserts. Medicare costs are currently rising modestly and the government’s own experts project the board’s intervention will not be needed until 2018 and 2019 at the earliest – after Obama leaves office if re-elected to a second term.

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BIDEN, when asked who would pay more taxes in Obama’s second term: “People making a million dollars or more.”

THE FACTS: Obama’s proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than millionaires. He wants to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.

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RYAN: “We cannot allow Iran to gain a nuclear weapons capability. Now, let’s take a look at where we’ve gone – come from. When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material – nuclear material – to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five. They’re racing toward a nuclear weapon. They’re four years closer toward a nuclear weapons capability.”

THE FACTS: Ryan’s claim is misleading. Iran isn’t believed to have produced any of the highly enriched uranium needed to produce even one nuclear weapon, let alone five. That point isn’t even disputed by Israel, whose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored the world at the United Nations last month to create a “red line” at enrichment above 20 percent. Iran would have to enrich uranium at much higher levels to produce a weapon. There is intelligence suggesting that Iran has worked on weapon designs, but not that it has developed a delivery system for any potential nuclear warhead.

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BIDEN: “What we did is, we saved $716 billion and put it back, applied it to Medicare.”

THE FACTS: Contrary to Biden’s assertion, not all the money cut from Medicare is going back into the program in some other way. The administration is cutting $716 billion over 10 years in Medicare payments to providers and using some of the money to improve benefits under the program. But most of the money is being used to expand health care coverage outside of Medicare.

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RYAN: “What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.”

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.

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BIDEN: “Romney said `No, let Detroit go bankrupt.’”

THE FACTS: GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has gotten endless grief through the campaign for the headline put on his November 2008 opinion essay that he wrote for The New York Times. But his point was never that he wanted the auto industry to go down the tubes.

Romney opposed using government money to bail out Chrysler and General Motors, instead favoring privately financed bankruptcy restructuring. His prescription seemed improbable. Automakers were hemorrhaging cash and the banking system was in crisis, so private money wasn’t available. Without the government money, it’s likely both companies would have gone out of business. Romney did propose government-guaranteed private loans for both companies after bankruptcy.

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RYAN: “We should have spoken out right away when the green revolution was up and starting, when the mullahs in Iran were attacking their people. We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.

THE FACTS: Neither President Barack Obama nor anyone else in his administration ever considered the Syrian leader a “reformer.” The oft-repeated charge stems from an interview Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton gave in March 2011 noting that “many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he’s a reformer.” She did not endorse that view. The comment was widely perceived to be a knock at senators such as John Kerry of Massachusetts who maintained cordial relations with Assad in the months leading up to his crackdown on protesters.

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RYAN: “This one tax would actually tax about 53 percent of small-business income.”

BIDEN: “Ninety-seven percent of the small businesses in America pay less – make less than $250,000.”

THE FACTS: Both are correct, but incomplete, when sizing up the effect on small business of raising taxes for individuals making more than $200,000 and married couples making more than $250,000, as Obama wants to do. Republicans say that would hit small-business owners who report business income on their individual income tax; Democrats say the overwhelming majority of small businesses would not be affected.

According to a 2010 report by the Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress, about 3 percent of people who report business income would face a tax increase under Obama’s plan. That support’s Biden’s point.

The same report says those business owners account for about half of all business income. That supports Ryan.

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RYAN: Notes that there have been four rounds of U.N. sanctions on Iran to deter its nuclear program, three during the Bush administration and one under Obama. “And the only reason we got it is because Russia watered it down and prevented the sanctions from hitting the central bank. Mitt Romney proposed these sanctions in 2007. In Congress, I’ve been fighting for these sanctions since 2009. The administration was blocking us every step of the way.” He also noted the administration has granted 20 waivers to the sanctions.

THE FACTS: The argument that the administration was watering down or delaying sanctions is misleading. For sanctions to work, they need maximum global agreement and cooperation. Russia watered down U.N. sanctions not only under Obama, but also under Bush. And it’s highly unlikely that a Romney administration, particularly led by a candidate who says Russia is the biggest geostrategic threat to the U.S., would be able to get Russia completely on board with what the U.S. wants to – either in Iran or Syria.

The more absolute U.S. sanctions that Ryan and others have pushed in Congress would have punished U.S. allies, including most countries in Europe as well as Japan and South Korea, along with good friends like India and Singapore – without the exemptions that were put in place.

The administration has indeed granted 20 waivers, to countries that made significant reductions in Iranian oil imports. And the sanctions are pinching; Iran has been convulsed over the past week with protests over the collapse of its currency, which most people say is a direct result of the sanctions that the U.S. and others have imposed.

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Comments (147)

Miami
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:31am
Fact check…?

Since when is a fact related to a belief? As in ” it is believed they have not inriched enough uranium to make one bomb much less five” They’ve had an underground facility for some time before they ever talked about it. And Biden said they don’t have a weapon that can carry a warhead? Really has he not been watching the news? They’ve got rockets that can hit Israel and Europe, I guess they really don’t count to this administration….!!!!!!

Yes 6 for each point of the star of David

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- idarusskie
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:18am
  A weapon design can be had on the internet. All you need to deliver one is a truck and a timer. maybe just a willing driver to give his life. But nuclear weapons work best if not used. Most sane countries would never use them. But these guys are not sane.
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:26am
  I don’t know whether Iran is close to having a delivery system or not, but Biden contradicted himself. On the one hand he blamed the intelligence community for not telling the Obama gang that Stevens needed more security, and for taking two weeks to discover what the rest of us knew, namely that the Benghazi attack was premeditated and carried out by jihadists. Yet, Biden insists it’s OK to trust their intel on Iran. If I weren’t so angry at our intel agencies for not vetting that commie SOB, I’d feel sorry for them. They must be really PO’d at Biden for scapegoating them.
  
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- guns-an-bibles
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:37am
  AP… Fact Check… Isn’t that what they call oxi-moron?
  
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- GETLIFE
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:52am
  Speaking of cover-ups in the Middle East…
  Did anyone else notice Biden’s comment when talking about Syria–
  Ryan was saying how Russia is arming them–and Biden quips
  “and the opposition is being armed..”
  
  By whom??? Why don’t you tell us what you know about that, Joe?
  
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- ThomasUSA
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:25am
  They could use enriched uranium effectively for dirty bombs too… so they can deliver that on small rockets from Palestine.
  
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- Strait Talk Express
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:17am
  You can have your own car and your own house but not your own facts. Until you get tossed out that is a fact.
  
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- BBlanski
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:18am
  I am with you Miami, these aren’t facts these are opinions.
  
  Iran has been convulsed over the past week with protests over the collapse of its currency, which **most people say** is a direct result of the sanctions that the U.S. and others have imposed.
  
  Well were do they get there facts that “most people say”? Most people used to think the world was flat.
  
  economists are **nearly universal in saying** Obama’s $800 billion-plus stimulus passed in early 2009 helped create both public-sector and private-sector jobs.
  
  So some economist say the stimulus helped some say it hurt, but you cannot prove one either way so it is not a fact.
  
  Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, **estimated** the stimulus saved or created more than 3 million jobs.
  
  This is a estimate by a committee with a bunch of rules and restrictions put on it that can be used to get the answer a political side wants.
  
  The argument that the administration was watering down or delaying sanctions is misleading. Russia watered down U.N. sanctions not only under Obama, but also under Bush. And it’s **highly unlikely** that a Romney administration, particularly led by a candidate who says Russia is the biggest geostrategic threat to the U.S., would be able to get Russia completely on board with what the U.S. wants to – either in Iran or Syria.
  
  The administration has indeed granted 20 waivers
  
  So Russia did water down the sanctions and the Administration d
  
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- BBlanski
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:49am
  Where is this fact checker checking to see if Crazy Joe actually voted for two wars that he said he didn’t?
  
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- anomnomnommm
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:04pm
  Yeah! Give us some of that good ol’ Truth Spittin’ Glenn Beck Fact Checkin’!
  
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- kindling
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:12pm
  I was wondering about that too. I believe Ryan because I am sure Israel has better information than the US given that happened to those for man that were killed. If Israel says the Iranians have more then they have more. We know this administration lies about everything.
  
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- ambrosia
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:11pm
  Regardless, of all of the above or none of the above-
  the ONLY fact that matters
  is that OUR country’s economy, security & pursuit of happiness
  has suffered under the present, tyrannical administration.
  
  The fish ROTS from the head down-
  corrupt politics polluting OUR land, our people, our very way of life.
  
  The FACT is they MUST go-
  every single one of them,
  who have feathered their own socialist agenda
  & flipped their effin’ index finger at the American citizenry.
  
  Once, the political deck is swabbed, we can set full sail !
  
  Leadership is the ONLY goal-
  Romney & Ryan……the ONLY answer !
  
  MAKE it happen, America…Show your strength & take over the helm !
  
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- snixy
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:17pm
  “If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” –Proverbs 29:9
  
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- BlessedGirls2
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:57pm
  enriched
  
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- AvengerK
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:24pm
  Here’s a fact check for you…when Biden put on the theatrics about Ryan voting for the Afghan and Iraq conflicts….Biden voted for them as well although Biden would have you believe he did not.
  
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- GilbertAcct
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:33pm
  I was very disappointed in how many time Ryan said he would raise taxes on, or cut benefits for the wealthy. He wants more redistribution, just like Romney… Yet we are told to believe that he stands for free markets and capitalism, and against redistribution.
  
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- Wolfgang the Gray
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:43pm
  Watch the movie The Manhattan Project http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091472/ that tells the story of a teenager & his girlfriend building a nuclear bomb. The mechanics of the bomb are pretty straight forward. The hard part is the core of nuclear fuel. Biden’s head is full of cobwebs if he really things the uranium encirchment is the easy part of making a nuke.
  
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- virginiallorca
  Posted on October 15, 2012 at 4:24pm
  For Heaven’s sake. We LET them buy yellow cake and LET them build a plant to enrich it. This is so crazy and scary. It is just like ignoring the Pakistan-Afghanistan links. We have our head in the sand.
  
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Moozmom
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:54am
We have the muslim brotherhood and communists in the whitehouse right now. Let’s just get most of them out (some are hiding their true agendas, I’m sure), but get out those who are known, including the laughing, jovial, hateful Biden Boy.

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- dutchy
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:10am
  Amen!
  
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- PATTY HENRY
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:50am
  CNN said: RYAN 48 vs Biden 46; MSNBC said: RYAN 56 vs Biden 36 (can you believe MSNBC)
  I guess folks just don’t like the wise-a. arrogance of Joe Biden… and we don’t need a clown. We need real MEN who love AMERICA and not their own political career and who speak to AMERICANS like ADULTS.
  Good job PAUL ! I also hope you caught the interview with Paul’s brother Tobin and his wife Oakleigh on Greta’s show. DECENT STOCK this guy comes from. PRAY HARD! 25.5 more days!
  
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- Miami
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:02am
  PATTY HENRY
  
  I watched MSNbc for about 10min.
  
  It was worse than water boarding
  
  But it was NBC that gave those numbers
  
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- kryptonite
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:36am
  Say, DAMON, is that your website? You include that link in every comment.
  
  Maybe, but I’m optimistic that some undecided voters got turned off by Biden’s rudeness — especially women (fingers crossed).
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:33am
  PATTY RYAN . . .So you believe the polls now?
  
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Restore the Republic
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:28am
If at first you don’t secede, try try again. Its time to do some ‘Altering or Abolishing’ and if that doesn’t work, its time to just dump it all, secede, and start over with our constitution front and center. Just leave the parasite democrats to pay their own bills. then we’d see how fast they came around to thinking like the rest of us.

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- Landon410
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:24am
  it’d be pretty easy, just keep red states red and blue states blue
  let the libtaards figure out who to pay all this crap without taking our tax money
  
  we’d be living pretty with all the food and jobs we could want
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:58pm
  We tried to secede once. It didn’t work. Are we ready to try again? Who’s in? LET’S GO!!
  
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Docroxall
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:25am
Regarding “green pork”…if the purpose of the “stimulus package” was to jump start the economy…can we say “fail”? As far as flushing it all..again…if the intent was to bring us out of recession…can we admit this is the most “sluggish” recovery in the HISTORY of the United States…with the exception of the Great Depression…which was dealt with in a similar manner to today?

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- Anonymous T. Irrelevant
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:49am
  I think Ryan should have brought up that 800 billion was spent on “shovel-ready” jobs, but then later, Owebama said, jokingly, that there weren’t as many shovel-ready jobs as he thought, so where did the money go, Joe?
  
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:00am
“Obama’s proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than millionaires. He wants to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.”

Perhaps the AP needs to consult their morgue of old stories. They may discover that the SCOTUS has ruled that when Obamacare fines you for not buying health insurance, that is a “tax”. One that is not likely to affect persons making over 250,000 a year.

Thank you John Roberts.

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- BlessedGirls2
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:55pm
  So get some insurance and shut up….and don’t worry about people earning $200-250 per year..trust me they do not spend their time talking and blogging you…they are busy “earning’….
  
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samuelarose
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:55am
What ever happened to the days when the press didn’t take sides and reported just the facts and nothing else not even one sided speculation?

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:22am
  Half the problem with the country now is because we let “unbiased” news sources like The AP check our facts for us.
  
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- Wango
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:34am
  GONZO . . .Yes, better Brian Kilmeade should handle that.
  
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- SovereignSoul
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:00pm
  Ummm…which days would those be? The press has always been biased and opinionated in one way or another.
  
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- title_of_liberty
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:08pm
  Sorry, but those days never existed. There has always been media bias, and yellow journalism (emphasis of sensationalism over fact). Sadly this is not a new phenomenon.
  
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- BlessedGirls2
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:01pm
  Uhhh since Fox News
  
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:53am
They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.”

THE FACTS: The requirement under the health care law that most employers cover birth control free of charge to female employees does not apply to churches, houses of worship, or other institutions directly involved in propagating a religious faith. It does apply to church-affiliated institutions such as hospitals and charities that serve the general public.

From dictionary.com: in·fringe·ment [in-frinj-muhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
a breach or infraction, as of a law, right, or obligation; violation; transgression.
2.
an act of infringing.

How people who use words for a living can misinterpret a word this badly is a complete mystery to me,
but let me be clear–you do not have to repeal a right to infringe upon it. And allowing infringement of the first amendment is extremely dangerous to members of the press, like the associated press. They should be careful what they wish for.

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- Arminius23
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:44am
  Remember Obamacare is a tax and will be applied as such if the Demoncraps get their way. On paper it may exempt religious institutions but indirectly everyone will pay.
  
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Suzanne Winter
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:51am
PLEASE stop posting up these so-called “Fact Checks” by the AP. They are filled with AP lies, omissions, or liberal spin — not a shred of veracity.

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- kcares
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:02am
  AP lies, and The Blaze isn’t help by saying they are the facts.
  
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E.Z. Las Vegas
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:42am
This is a primary example of turning a policy argument into “facts” based on liberal media bias:

“Dismissing an entire package of energy stimulus grants and loans as “green pork” ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient, grants to public entities constructing high speed rail lines and tax credits to manufacturers to install equipment fostering cleaner energy.

1. There have been A LOT of federal programs designed to assist in making homes energy efficient. Why did we need another one? Was it a wise expenditure? Has anyone studied it?

2. High speed rail. Reid’s folly is a high speed rail line planned for Las Vegas to Victorville, California. I live in Las Vegas. I have no idea how many people are waiting in Victorville for a bullet train to Las Vegas, but I can do have enough of a finger on the pulse of Vegas to know that there aren’t enough people here interested in a bullet to Victorville to make the project anything less than self indulgent pork.

3. I assume the equipment to foster cleaner energy, involves carbon dioxide scrubbers, which are only necessary because Obama and Cass Sunstein both played hookey during their third grade science filmstrip “Photosynthesis is our friend.”

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cat_1012000
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:10am
Your second fact regarding the $90 billion in stimulus claims Ryan “ignores the help that was given to people to make their homes more energy efficient.” Well. I can attest that in Omaha/Lincoln, who got $10 million dollars, it was a complete and utter failure as shown here> http://www.omaha.com/article/20120819/NEWS/708199927 . I’m also aware of two other “green businesses,” while not yet publicized, in Fremont Nebraska who have failed miserably – one completely closed and the other skipping by with five employees. I’ve yet to see one successful business result from it. So from here in Nebraska – Ryan was dead on.

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- Dismayed Veteran
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:49am
  Hey Cat
  
  I live in Lincoln. You are spot on.
  
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- HuskerDave
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:33am
  The energy-efficiency programs throughout the nation have been largely money-laundering schemes, not just here in Nebraska, but everywhere. I believe it was San Francisco where $3 billion had resulted in 14 homes getting insulation and 1.4 jobs created. That was a mere 6000 or so fewer homes, and 298.6 jobs fewer than predicted by the liars in teh administration.
  
  Oh, and a Nebraska veteran here too – Omaha. And I know that regimental insignia well, Dismayed.
  
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- mom2threegirls
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:07pm
  Fremont here too…I know exactly what you mean :(
  
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marcus_arealius
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:57am
AAASSSHOLE Propaganda ? WGAFF!

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coizinho
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:50am
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coizinho
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:47am
I think ABC, give the questions to Biden to study, to bad he lost anyway.

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Yellowcannery
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:44am
I already knew who I was voting for, but that doesn’t matter about what took place tonight. Everyone was cheated out of a real debate. It was a chance to really understand what these candidates had to say. Obama took his debate, like he couldn’t be bothered and Biden was selfish and immature. I take the issues to what is important to this country seriously. I am ashamed and sad that this is our United States Vice President. None of these topics are a joke to me. My husband and I run a business by ourselves, Biden you’ll do fine. But the rest of us are struggling everyday, and you think this is all just to funny you can’t act like an adult for 90 min. Thank you Mr. Ryan for being the only adult in the room. I wish I could of heard you better.

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- madasblazes
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:44pm
  I would have liked to hear Ryan finish his points and statement which were consistantly cut of by the UN-moderator-sloppy-haired-Martha Reflux!
  
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Slowman101
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:18am
Biden didn’t do a very good job at all tonight. He was rude and just plain obnoxious. Hopefully, Obama will drop a couple of more points in the polls to come.

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Ghandi was a Republican
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:10am
This is not fact checking. Hillary flat out called assad a “reformer”.. Hillary, Biden. Obama ALL welcomed and praised Quadaffi when he came to New York in 2009 to chastise America at the U.N. They had called him a great leader (until the Muslim Brotherhood became their new BFF).
Ap also assets that there was no private money for the auto Industry when in fact the banks had nobody to lend to and took the TARP funds that obama forced on them and invested in Europe and the Stock market at nearly 0% interest on money they have yet to pay back anyway. What obama did with the Auto companies is liquidate SHAREHOLDER’S assets and give them to the Unions, something that would not have happened in a legitimate bankruptcy. AP is making an enormous amount of faulty assumptions.. AP fact checking needs fact checked.

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calmandcents
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:53am
Biden reminds me of Bill O’Reilly: whenever someone credible has something to say, he interrupts them. The difference, however, is that while O‘Reilly lags about a year (or so) behind Glenn in understanding what’s going on; Biden will never ever “get it.”

You either readily understand and wholeheartedly believe in the miracle of America, or you don’t. We are no longer an experiment; we are proven! And under times of duress — as these — we really don’t have time for the destructive views of cowards.

Biden is a coward, and represents the greatest threats and enemies of America. His rhetoric would earn him a nice chalet in Venezuela. Go Joe go. Please…. just go!

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bullcrapbuster
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:45am
How about Biden’s lie that he voted against the wars. He voted yes not no . An outrite lie.

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:57am
  He never said he did. Tho he did.
  So he didn’t lie.
  Ryan missed an opportunity
  
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- Hepcat
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:23am
  You’re right. Here’s a link: http://freebeacon.com/biden-claims-he-voted-against-afghanistan-iraq-wars/
  
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Shaqfuey
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:44am
AP – How about the two wars that Biden voted for on a credit card? You ignore that “fact” along with so many misrepresentations of information by this loser. Anyone that is undecided or thinks this administration deserves another term is lost…and our country will soon be too.

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Detroit paperboy
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:41am
I was impressed by Ryan’s composure and dignity, even after constant interruptions by Biden and the lib moderator…………….

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LibsFIB
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:39am
Biden talked in circles that led him back to prepared talking points.
Surprised he didn’t drool… He is soooo disrespectful!

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:58am
  I thought he was just mimicking Romney’s performance – only with facts.
- MJS4745
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:48pm
  @Verceofreason
  
  The difference between the Romney/Obama debate and Ryan/Biden debate was that Romney was respectful of Obama. While he may have interrupted Obama it was AFTER Obama made a particular poin and tried to move on. Biden instead interrupted Ryan WHILE he was trying to make a point. And Romney didn’t stand there in his debate with Obama and laugh, giggle, and snicker. Biden made a fool of himself the same way Gore did when he did all of that sighing and eye rolling in his debate with former president Bush. Biden had one purpose in that debate, something Obama couldn’t do because he is held to higher standards than Joe Biden. Even by his own party. Biden was supposed to be rude, and disruptive, which is what the Chris Matthews and Bill Mahers of the Democratic party wanted.
  
  Democrats have no respect for their political opponents and thus have no reason to be polite. But because Obama has to appeal to ALL Americans and not just the far left side that now makes up most of the Democratic party he couldn’t be rude and nasty like Biden was. The so called moderator was just as bad. Her interruptions of Ryan and constant badgering after he answered her question didn’t help either. The Ryan/Biden debate was actually a three party debate. The moderator was the third party. Mainly because she didn’t do her job equally, unlike Jim Lehrer who did.
  
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Metallicat
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:37am
Sorry AP, I tend to agree that the $90 Billion spent on green pork was a waste. none of your examples justify that much money being dumped into more expensive energy alternatives,while this administration refuses to use common sense and use the cheap abundant energy we have on hand during a recession.

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- Rational Man
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:43am
  Yep! You and Ryan are right.
  Ta Heck with AP………..
  
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- vandyke
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:54pm
  How to eliminate CO2 emissions, destroy nuclear waste, and provide all the energy humanity will need for five million years? Read “Smarter use of nuclear waste” in December 2005 Scientific American, also at http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=smarter-use-of-nuclear-waste. Read the middle part of “Prescription for the Planet” by Tom Blees. Skip the gratuitous insults to the Bush administration at the beginning, and the nutty one-world UN control of energy at the end.
  
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wordsofwisdom
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:34am
No the AP isn’t bias. Is it?

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- moreoilplease
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:04am
  Not worth the digital page this is created on.
  
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Psychosis
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:25am
obama and biden lie …………………….people in embassies die

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- Verceofreason
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:00am
  When asked for more funds for security Republicans say …………..nice try.
SunTzuYou
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:23am
same AP that can’t edit photographs? I’ll trust the AP like I trust Joe

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- 1TrueOne55
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:42am
  I agree with you on that. At least as far as you can throw him. Obama’s “MIDDLE CLASS TAXCUT” will gut Social Security since that is the tax cut they currently have removed from collecting from the middle class.
  
  And It was a Progressive Democrat that created Social Security in 1935 as a voluntary Annuity, he then was convinced to change that plan in 1939 when there was little interest in the program. They had to change the plan into a mandatory tax on workers and it was built to go bankrupt in the 1980′s long after the Progressives that created were dead.
  
  It was a Progressive Democrat that created the Federal Income Tax in 1913. It was originally a tax on the top 3% of the wealthy class to recoup money made on investments, inheritance and property sold. It now covers non millionaires and it is used to pay for the Social Security program.
  
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