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Did You Hear the Fascinating Religious Question During the Debate? Here’s How the Candidates Answered

Oct. 12, 2012 7:40am Billy Hallowell

One of the more fascinating and telling moments from last night’s vice-presidential debate unfolded when moderator Martha Raddatz asked Joe Biden and Paul Ryan to speak about their personal faith and how it has impacted their stances on abortion.

“I would like to ask you both to tell me what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion,” she told the candidates. “Please talk about how you came to that decision — talk about how your religion played a part in that.”

Biden, Ryan Debate Abortion & Religious Freedom During Vice Presidential Debate

Vice President Joe Biden (L) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (R) shake hands following their debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, October 10, 2012, moderated by Martha Raddatz of ABC News. (Photo Credit: AFP/Getty Images)

Ryan was the first to respond, highlighting his devout faith and claiming that he doesn’t believe it feasible for an individual to separate his or her faith from one’s views on an issue like abortion.

“I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do,” Ryan proclaimed.

The Republican candidate went on to say that it isn’t only his Catholic faith that informs his pro-life views. Additionally, he explained that “reason and science” also have led him to reject pro-choice sentiment. Complying with Raddatz’s call for getting personal, Ryan talked about seeing his unborn child on a sonogram at just seven weeks and recognizing her heartbeat — an experience that truly resonated with him, coloring his views on the subject.

He also spoke out against the Obama administration’s controversial contraceptive mandate, claiming that the federal government is hampering churches’ right to worship and operate as they see fit.

“They’re infringing upon our first freedom — the freedom of religion,” Ryan said of the Obama administration. “Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties.”

Vice President Joe Biden (R) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (L) depart the stage following their debate at the Norton Center at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, October 10, 2012 (Photo Credit: AFP/Getty Images)

Biden responded with agreement — at least theologically — that life begins at conception. He also spent some time speaking about the duty to help the poor that he believes to be rooted in his religious adherence.

“My religion defines who I am and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. It has particularly informed my social doctrine,” he explained, going on to say that the church has impacted his views on social justice.

However, he painted a starkly different picture from Ryan when it comes to policy, claiming that he refuses to force his abortion views upon others. The decision to abort a child, Biden maintained, should be between a woman and her doctor.

“I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here,” Biden told Raddatz and the audience. “I do not believe we have a right to tell women that they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor.”

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RSHLUVER
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:59am
All Catholic Democrats that support abortion are hypocrites , including those that elect other Democrats. Paul Ryan should have mentioned Obama’s support for partial birth abortion and the killing of live babies outside of the mothers womb.

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- statutoryape
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:25am
  I read a comment on here awhile back that went something like this: Liberals believe aborting a fetus is not killing life, but if a pregnant woman were shot, survived, but the baby was killed, then the shooter would be charged with murder.
  
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- abeliever2010
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:25am
  You hit the nail right on the head!
  
  Even if you are not a Catholic, but are someone who is Christian and reads the Bible what is the in the Commandments? Thou shall not kill.
  
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- fraumj
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:16am
  Abortion is not about women having control over their own bodies. Clearly, they lost control of their passion and then got pregnant (unplanned). It’s called RESPONSIBILITY! It’s amazing how these so called “compassionate” group of people look at a baby as if it were a limb.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:31am
  There is a difference in killing a person and murdering a person.
  
  A murderer is the sinner, the killer of the murderer does not sin. In fact the Law required that the murderer be executed to uphold justice. Exodus 21:22-25
  
  So, the commandment at Exodus 20:13 properly translated is “You must not murder”.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:19pm
  A woman that is pregnant is carrying ANOTHER body. She now has a RESPONSIBILITY to take care of that child in her womb. It is her duty as a mother, to protect and ensure the safety and health of that other body in her womb.
  
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- shoulda coulda woulda
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:53pm
  Fraumj
  
  Thank you, it was an irresponsible act (outside of rape) that triggered these actions.
  
  One thing I have always wondered does the father play any role in the decision? And if he doesn’t should he share any financial responsibility no matter what the women chooses? I mean they both made an irresponsible decision at conception without thinking.
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:56pm
  Right on, Colt. She is carrying the body of an entirely unique individual with unique DNA and, more importantly, a soul.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:22pm
  ABELIEVER2010
  So that you make you against the death penalty right?
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:23pm
  The father plays a major role in the pregnancy of the mother, if not the most important. Heck, without him there would be no pregnancy. The father must be held accountable for any financial responsibilities attributed from that pregnancy. He brought someone into the world, he must now take care of them until they’re able to stand on their own (and I don’t mean at 13 months), that is, until they’re able be held accountable for their own actions without mommy and pappy having to be there. That is why the family structure is very important! The destruction of the family is ruining our nation. We’re raising a generation of kids that have No respect for higher authority, No respect for one’s community, No respect for one’s family or that of others, No respect for public order and peace, No respect for life and personal responsibility, No respect for liberty or the work of others, No respect for neighbors and society, No respect for private property and individual accountability, No respect for hard work and dedication, No respect for working people and the fruit of their labor, and No respect for those who achieve and receive their due reward. They’re all about “Me”. They’re selfish, high minded, and completely oblivious to anything that might make them courteous and considerate citizens. They have no gratitude for what they earn, or pride in their occupation which at least grants them an opportunity to make a living and to take care of their family.
  
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- SimpleTruths
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:26pm
  @RSHLUVER
  Once again the words of George Bernard Shaw ring loudly and true…
  “No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.”
  
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- orangetom1999
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 9:58am
  The abortion issue has been one of the biggest con jobs on the American people and the very beginning of more con jobs by the body politic on the same American People and has gone on four years and years now and continuing on the Public Purse…along with the other con jobs.
  
  What politicians and the political process realized years ago is that it is the female in America who determines where, when and on what …the bulk of monies are spent in this economy. They may not earn the bulk of the money..nor take the Risks in the earning of the monies..but the Female in America determines how it is spent…on big and little ticket items.
  
  This makes the female the most powerful of people to be influenced in the electorial process…not the male.
  
  What politicians realized is that you can gaurantee the female vote by appealing to her ego and emotions and nothing gets to females faster than sex and their reproduction cycles. The issue decideed upon to gaurantee the womens votes was Abortion. Abortion is for the purpose of gauranteeing how the women will vote in elections.
  
  It got so bad in this year past that you could not run for dog catcher without declaring your views on abortion. Abortion became the litmus test for all public offices..your qualfiications for office meant little to nothing. Instead it became what you believed about abortion.
  
  Abortion is control and censorship of the electorial process…by guilt conditioning
  
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- orangetom1999
  Posted on October 14, 2012 at 10:42am
  So few of you here can think this through in lieu of the confusion the body politic has put you under.
  Once you go back and see the phony placebo history on this issue you can see the same technique and control mechanism spreading to other issues…guilt programming and conditioning….cognitive dissonance.
  
  All of this based on the “I’m a Victim ” philosophies. “I’m a victim” and you the American Public are guilty of making me so.
  
  All of these groups are today using the “:Victim Dictum” just like the women’s groups used/misused the Abortion Issue to default through unto today and on the public purse.
  
  Blacks with Racism
  
  Homosexuals
  
  Now Hispanics and Muslims
  
  Women’s groups…sexism.
  
  What all these groups depend on is public ignorance on how this type of guilt programming works.
  
  All of these groups are being run and controlled at the top by the same Masters and for their guaranteed, controllable, malleable votes. If you notice closely .all of these groups are also easily emoted into gauranteed train wreck mob status by professional chaos manipulators for their votes using and misusing the “Victim Dictum.:”
  
  Once you learn to spot it …you can see the next one coming ..particularly at election time.
  
  Wise up people…you are being had on abortion and a multitude of other issues…for votes.
  
  Also…this thread has been hijacked with the “American Indian issues”…it is about abortion not Indian Rights and causes.
  
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momrules
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:47am
Legalizing abortion on demand was the single most sinful act America ever committed. I believe that was when we, as a country, fell out of grace with God.

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- PilgrimStuckInBizarroWorld
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:38am
  Your are exactly right! It scares me that the protection of God on this country has been taken away. We need to pray for this killing of the most innocent to be reversed in our society soon.
  OMG
  R&R
  
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- crabman2
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:16am
  Biden should have said , it’s between them and God .
  
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- georgiaspur
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:18am
  very well could be. The greatest thing that God created was human life and we are allowing people to throw that away. God can not be pleased.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:24am
  @MomRules:
  “Legalizing abortion on demand was the single most sinful act America ever committed. I believe that was when we, as a country, fell out of grace with God.”
  
  Wow. That’s a bold statement. You know, estimates are that our forefathers murdered (killed via conflict for conquest) around 100-150 million native Americans during Manifest Destiny and our expansion westward. Not only is killing against the 10 Commandments, the motives for it (greed, and a type of lust) are known as deadly sins. I would also cite slavery in the US before this, but that was ok with Jehovah in the OT. Meanwhile, the government legalizes thievery (Thou shalt not steal), lies (Thou shalt not bear false witness), kills (Thou shalt not kill), and arguably worships false Gods, like the thieving banking system, globalism and world government (Thou shalt have no God’s before me). They do the stealing, lying and killing because they want to advance ‘American interests’, which usually involve procuring new or unowned resources (Thou shalt not covet) and revenue streams for their corporate pals.
  
  Now I am not for abortion. I am pro-life. But you might apply a little perspective before making such weak assertions about American governmental choices that led to our ‘fall from grace.’ You might also ponder how your voting and the voting of your fellow Christians contributed to it all.
- WarMunger_Al
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:50am
  Chris-
  And Native Americans never killed anyone, they just lived a life of peace and harmony? Reality of war, people die. More than 300,000 children are murdered each year in the US Abortion mills. That is a higher crime than displacing the Native Americans. Not to diminish the wrongs our Government has done and the violations of treaties. Abortion is human sacrifice on the altar of convenience. Satan has had America in his thrall for a long time, long time.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:11am
  ChrisDiamond,
  
  Just for clarity, Jehovah God never condoned slavery for the Israelites.
  He allowed it as a temporary social condition of imperfect people (we all are imperfect).
  If you carefully read the instructions and laws he gave to them, you will see that the Israelites were to treat their slaves with dignity and with kindness. Slavery was not what God wanted, it was what sinful mankind wanted. Abortion is not what God wants, it is what people want.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:26pm
  @White Fang (one of favorite books in childhood)
  
  Jehovah didn’t want slavery, but instead of telling the Hebrews, “Um, hey guys, as the all powerful creator of everything and your Almighty God, I kind of don’t want you to have slaves, or endorse/promote slavery because slavery is wrong, mmmkay?” He instead gives them rules regarding how to treat their slaves? It seems to me the Almighty would have done a bit more on the side of justice and righteousness. Oh, wait… That’s right… it was man who wrote the books, not God. Man wrote the law, not God. Man was preserving slavery through writing of laws they claimed came down from a mythical being known as Jehovah. Besides, consider…
  
  “If you’re gonna rape people, at least use a condom.”
  
  Do you see where I’m going with this? It’s essentially the same type of guidance, and if that’s what the God you follow produced, He isn’t worthy of being followed. But it doesn’t matter, since He doesn’t exist.
- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:00pm
  “You know, estimates are that our forefathers murdered (killed via conflict for conquest) around 100-150 million native Americans during Manifest Destiny and our expansion westward.”
  
  Total BS. Show your evidence and sources.
  
  “Native Americans killed in service for the US and killed defending their Indian country is listed below in rough estimated numbers. A likely total of 100,000-500,000 Native Americans in the US have died since 1776. The high end would be around a million…
  
  Indians Conflicts & Removals 1776-1973
  (1973) Wounded Knee II – 2
  (1890) Wounded Knee – 178
  (1864) Sand Creek Massacre – 200
  (1862) Dakota War of 1862 – 38 prisoners executed
  (1876) Battle of Little Big Horn – 136 (high estimate)
  (1838) Cherokee Removal – 4,000
  (1817-58) Seminole Wars I,II, & III – 1475 (likely high as 10,000)
  (1831) Choctaw Removal – 2,500
  (1812) Red Stick War of the Muscogee or Creek- 3,000
  (1791) Battle of the Wabash – 21″
  
  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Native_Americans_were_killed_by_the_US_government
  
  Lincoln issues a National Day of Fasting and Praying in order “to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.” http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/fast.htm
  
  Slavery was never OK with God. The Bible speaks about bond servants, captives and the like, but NEVER was kidnapping a man, selling him and using him for forced labor EVER sanctioned.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:08pm
  ChrisDiamond,
  
  I respect the Bible as God’s Word to all mankind, and I form my comments to conform to and promote God’s wisdom.
  If you are going to comment on what the Holy Scriptures tell us, at least do some research first to insure your credability. Your personal opinions which you consider wise, do not match up with the Bible.
  Proverbs 12:15
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:16pm
  CHRISDIAMOND…..Wow… you are so RIGHT…..How can you possibly bear to stay? With your obvious WISDOM, you could go anywhere else in the world and become a god in your right, and not just in your own sight, as you are, here, now. Your moral sense far outstrips any I have ever heard about. Why haven’t we heard about you before this? Have you published? I’m sure most of us here would run right down to the dollar store and get a copy.
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:18pm
  Whitefang,
  
  I have noticed that ChrisDiamond has a tendency to look at things kind of side-ways.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:30pm
  @Colt180
  
  What, did you stop reading at the piont where it looked like my statement was false? If you read a lil further, you would have seen:
  
  “The second study was not sponsored by the US Government but was done from independent researchers. This study estimated populations and population reductions using later census data. Two figures are given, both low and high, at: between 10 million and 114 million Indians as a direct result of US actions.” – Oooh… Imagine that… the folks with the most to lose (in face, anyway) and the ‘winners’ who wrote the history (the government) come up with 100k to 500k (as if it’s much better; it’s still mass murder), but independent researchers estimate 10 – 114 million killed. Hmm… Seems I’m a little more in the ball park than you are.
  
  That you would downplay murder through number reduction is hilarious, but points to a sad truth about the American politik: If you kill 1, it’s murder. If you kill 1 million, it’s foreign policy.
  
  And are you seriously using the Tyrant Abe Lincoln’s national fast/prayer day as a remission? “Hey Indian dudes. Sorry we killed like… all of your people and stuff. Today, we won’t eat, and we’ll confess this sin to an invisible man to make up for it. Thanks for the forgiveness, bros!”
  
  You should re-read Leviticus chapter 25, vs 44-46:
  
  God talks about buying and selling the heathens. Whether He tells them to beat them or not is irrelevant. Jehovah is OK with owning slaves.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:45pm
  @MaxJones
  
  I admitted that I can’t help myself… My comments have nothing to do with ego, as you have presumed. Instead, it’s about trying to cause people to question what they believe. Even your pal Glenn quotes, “Question with boldness even the existence of God,” yet when someone here boldly questions God & the actions of Christians who claim belief in Him, but who’s actions do not line up with His law or the teachings of Jesus Christ, we are subject to ad hominem attacks of no substance.
  
  It’s more interesting when we disagree, is it not? I would like for someone to refute what I’m talking about w/out solely resorting to the Bible. That’s a word of caution for your benefit, not mine. I don’t believe in your God, so I’m not blinded by the faith you claim to the way, according to the story, He set us all up to fail, or the way He broke His own rules, or His hypocrisy. So please… instead of simply insulting me, why don’t you try to make a reasonable refutation of the discussion? You all say, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” I say, “Love the believer, hate the belief,” because it is hypocritical mysticism and manipulation through guilt used by the few to establish control over the many.
  
  @OldTrucker:
  
  I ask the same of you. Please refute what I’m saying in the discussion. I’d love to have a real conversation.
  
  @WhiteFang
  
  I just referenced the scriptures regarding slavery in my comment to Colt180. That we disagree does not mean I am ignorant.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:04pm
  For my comments to fit into one post I HAVE TO SHORTEN AND CUT words. DUH! Unfortunately, the Blaze does not allow me to post novels on here. Regardless, I posted the link, which allowed you to examine the page. So what exactly was I trying to hide or reduce? LOL. Your claim was that 100-150 million were MURDERED. No report proves or shows that statement to be true.
  
  You don’t understand the Bible. The Bible does not treat “bond servants” in the same respect that we consider “slavery” today. Heck, even a native Israelite, had the right to make himself a “bond servant” for ever. Does that mean he subjugated himself to chains, cruelty, injustice, and to be treated like chattel? Absolutely NOT! The use of the word “slave” in modern translations is a huge misjudgement on the understanding of Scriptures. “Slave”, as defined or understood today, is different than what the Bible had to say about “servants” or “bond servants” two thousand years ago. New modern translations, and modern theologians, in their attempt to sound genius, make themselves fools when applying modern terminology and modern understanding to a system that is foreign to what we practice or know today.
  
  For example, the use of the terms master and servant, could be in some instances within the Bible, be applied to employer and employee, or, manager and associate, etc. Back then most businesses or affairs were run privately and individually, by private citizens, not corporations.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:13pm
  CHRIS…..I can’t take you seriously…..You do not know the basics of my faith. You think you do, but it is obvious that you do not. The bible itself is a process of understanding, and as such is a lifetime study. It cannot be understood without depth of reference. Your shallow and superficial understanding has given you a false sense of intellectual authority that will cost you much.
  Yes I do believe it is your ‘ego’ that stands in your way, a stumbling block to a greater understanding of the human condition. You are leaning unto your own perception, and leaving the rest, out of your sphere. You are done. You’ve done your best, and stand by it, in the face of its most obvious failure.
  There is ETERNAL truth. Get some.
  
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- WhiteFang
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:20pm
  Good comment COLT1860,
  
  Even Christians were called “slaves” for Christ. They were slaves by their own determination, they chose to be slaves because of their/our righteous master, Jesus.
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:31pm
  ChrisDiamond,
  
  You are playing with the big boys here. Think before you speak.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:35pm
  @Colt180
  
  This is why you likely don’t see the 1.5 mil deaths of women/children in Iraq from our sanctions as murder: you seem to not understand, or disregard this phrase: “as a direct result of US actions,” like it says in the article you linked to. If you die as a direct result of my actions, am I not still guilty of killing you? The courts would believe so.
  
  We love when a Christian disputes the meanings of the words in the Bible. What a convenient ‘out’. Now I’m not discounting your point, re: Servant and Master; I know that Christians would call themselves servants of their Master, God or Jesus, and this servitude is voluntary. Not the same thing as slavery. I get it. But … Are you an academic of ancient Hebrew linguistics? If not, then why should I believe your ‘new’ meaning, or that the Hebrew type of slavery- er, I mean bondservant condoned by Jehovah in Lev. has a different meaning?
  
  From dictionary.reference.com:
  
  Bondman – 1. a male slave. 2. a man bound to service w/out wages.
  
  Lev 45-46:
  Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
  46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
  
  Slavery is ok to Jehov
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:43pm
  @MaxJones
  That was a lot of words to say nothing. I don’t see a single attempt to refute any of the things I have discussed or stated. All you did was call me an egoist and give me that gentle Christian warning about eternity… and for what? Because I make affirmative statements about my beliefs based on more research than you would believe I’ve done? Well done!
  
  Are you going to refute, or just say more nothing with a lot of words?
  
  @WhiteFang
  
  You are correct, and I addressed that terminology thing in my last post to Colt180.
  
  @OldTruckers
  
  Are you freakin’ serious? I ask you to refute something I’ve said here, and that’s all you’ve got? But I’m dealing with the ‘big boys’? Big boys as in… what? Are you all super fat or something? WhiteFang is at least pleasant in his discourse here, but if you meant to imply that I am ‘playing’ with intellectual titans (as compared to me), I certainly hope you can do a better job of supporting that thesis than you have.
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:56pm
  ChrisDiamond,
  
  Maybe this will help you to understand some deeper message from the Bible.
  When God gave the Israelites the ‘promised land’, they were instructed to cleanse the land of all the pagan, wicked people that were inhabiting that land. The Israelites were to carry out GOD’s Judgement against them for their wickedness. The people were to be executed by God’s command.
  Now, if a individual was to repent of his sins and wanted to join the new Israelite community, God gave the merciful instructions that he could be spared of the death judgement and become a slave of the Israelites. And the slave could continue living and even prospering under God’s Law. Yes he was a slave but that was a good thing, even a better thing than what he had under his old pagan lifestyle.
  
  Now I realize you do not believe the scriptures but never-the-less, that is how the Israelites came to have slaves. When the Christian Congregation was formed, the old Mosaic Law Code was completed and we entered the new Christian era and having slaves were no longer appropriate.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:16pm
  @OldTruckers
  
  Thank you for your response. As you likely have imagined, I take issue with it on the following grounds:
  
  Look at what you’re saying: an almighty being commanded fallible people to go do His dirty work, and to kill others even after He had given them the law, “Thou shalt not kill.” You see no moral hypocrisy with this?
  
  If the people ‘repented’, then they could rise to the high status of bondservant, or slave. You say this is a merciful act of God? Hmm… “Hey you quit with that pagan nonsense or I’ll kill you. If you agree to be the slave of my people, I will spare you.” Real choice there, don’t you think? However you choose to put it, or twist it to fit your biblical paradigm, God still thought slavery was ok… and not just for that person, but their children also. And they were to remain the servants of the Hebrews’ children… as possessions. That you’re excusing it as a ‘good thing’ is perplexing, from a moral standpoint.
  
  And I beg to differ on the completion of the Mosaic law. Jesus said He did not come to end or destroy the law, but to fulfill it. And if you’ve ever studied the Law deeply you would recognize that it is impossible for a human being to live sinless under it, hence the need for the great redeemer in Christ Jesus; a ‘pure blood’ human of flesh who lived all his days free of sin under the law so that through His blood we could all be cleansed and redeemed to God.
  
  Would love to read your response.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:22pm
  You seem to not understand American history too well. Unlike the Spaniards down south, the English did not come as “Conquistadors” in search for Gold, Glory and Riches. Though the British King might have expected such things as tribute, the Pilgrims and Settlers had no intention of such lucre. They were escaping persecution and came here to establish religious liberty. As to war, that’s a whole other topic. I’m staunch believer in the just war theory as proclaimed through Christianity. I believe in the Rule of Law, National Defense, Peace when attainable, War as a last resort, and commerce with all nations.
  
  I’m not applying a new meaning. Its modern linguistics and modern theologians who are and have been applying new meaning to ancient words to fit modern words. And if you ask me, for the purpose of advancing their New Age agenda.
  
  Modern dictionaries today use vague, compact, condensed, definitions. Our use of vocabulary has greatly decreased in today’s society, wherefore one word may imply and contain many meanings today, which before was much more limited in use. That sets up many modern translations for failure. You can’t use modern dictionaries, as written today, to define or find meaning in ancient words as used in ancient cultures. Our dictionaries today are greatly influenced by modern culture, current corrupt morality, and our current false acceptance of relevant truth. Most dictionaries today lack faithfulness to historical usage.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:27pm
  CHRIS….I won’t even try to refute, nor recognize anything you say. You’re a smart man, in your own right. I told you earlier that you were so RIGHT. But in your ‘rightness’ you leave the most important events in the history of this age out of the equation. Intellectual man is the most stubborn man in the universe, because he has his own intelligence on a throne, and worships it as his own god. Every man, will, at some time in his life, realize how powerful and wonderful is the function of his mind. Very few, in contrast, ever stop to ask about the origin of conscious thought itself. You, sir, appear to be one of the latter.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:39pm
  Take the definition of Webster’s 1828 dictionary.
  
  BOND’SERVANT, n. [bond and servant.] A slave; one who is subjected to the authority of another, or whose person and liberty are restrained.
  
  It gives one definition. It states “slave”, but goes on to explain what it means by “slave”. And it does not mean what our modern minds conjecture today. As I said before, it does not mean chattel, property, torment, injustice and so forth. Rather, it means being under the Government of another, and having one’s “person” and “liberty” strictly “restrained” thereby. Person here does not mean to degrade a man from his status as a man and into the state of an animal. Restrain here does not mean to oppress with cruelty, injustice and with disregard to life or health.
  
  RESTRA’INED, pp. Held back from advancing or wandering; withheld; repressed; suppressed; abridged; confined.
  
  That is, one restrained is one under the guardianship, control and watch of another. If you were truly against “slavery” then you would be against jails, prisons, incarcerating individuals, and detaining people. You would also be against orphanages, state wards and any military school or camp. Your logic is incoherent and would contradict many assumptions you propose. As when you are restricting, or rather when redefining, the meaning or understanding of certain Commandments found in the Bible.
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:42pm
  Life comes from our Creator. He created life and he sustains life as he wishes.
  God is the Sovereign of all the universe. He has the right to determine who gets life and who does not. The only reason you or anyone else is alive or who gets to have everlasting life, is due to God’s good pleasure. If he determines we shall live, then we live and if he determines a person does not deserve to continue, then there is no more life for him.
  
  Who do you think you are?
  Do you have life in yourself or did God give it to you?
  Do you know what keeps you alive?
  You better get a handle on this or you may wind up like those killed by the Israelites. Dead.
  
  God wants all people to have everlasting life but he does not suffer fools.
  Zephaniah 2:1-3
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:44pm
  CHRISDIAMOND..you wrote: Look at what you’re saying: an almighty being commanded fallible people to go do His dirty work, and to kill others even after He had given them the law, “Thou shalt not kill.” You see no moral hypocrisy with this?
  The old testament is a story of the Hebrews and their commission to bring a pure bloodline to the world in the person of Jesus Christ. To bring the truth of eternal life and freedom, to the world, once and for all.
  The battle to do this is the story.
  I wanted to ask you a question…If you do not believe in YHVH, do you also deny the existence of Satan?
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:50pm
  @Colt180
  
  You kind of made my argument for me. I mean, if you aren’t a linguist of archaic Hebrew, then how do you know what the ‘real’ meaning of the word is, or expect anyone to accept your meaning with any credibility? I agree that the modern lexicon is ‘dumbed down’, and it may well be for the purposes of agenda. You’ll never hear someone discuss the pusillanimity of chicken hawks in government, but you’ll hear them called cowards, for instance.
  
  And what does the intent of the pilgrims/early colonial settlers have to do with the murder of native Americans under manifest destiny? A red herring? Because regardless of the reasons the Pilgrims fled to the US in the first place, under manifest destiny, their descendants in our government and military committed atrocities of murder against native Americans. We could agree on that much, could we not? Or are you going to try and morally justify that somehow through semantics?
  
  @MaxJones
  
  Patronizing me doesn’t make you right, nor does it do anything to contribute to the discussion. It’s amazing that you would take the time to bash me in two posts, but use neither one of them to make a single refutation. You toss out abstract seertions like, I leave out ‘the most important events in history’, for example… How so? And if you prove me wrong, I will admit it. It isn’t personal to me. If I’m wrong, I would much rather be corrected so I can grow and improve… I just won’t say I’m wrong because we disagree.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:07pm
  “You kind of made my argument for me. I mean, if you aren’t a linguist of archaic Hebrew, then how do you know what the ‘real’ meaning of the word is, or expect anyone to accept your meaning with any credibility?”
  
  The same goes for you. What I’ve presented makes logical sense, common sense, is factually accurate, historically accurate, contradicts no dictionary or commentary of authority, and any man of sound mind can obtain the same reasoning.
  
  “I agree that the modern lexicon is ‘dumbed down’, and it may well be for the purposes of agenda.”
  
  Amen.
  
  “And what does the intent of the pilgrims/early colonial settlers have to do with the murder of native Americans under manifest destiny?”
  
  A few things about me is that I’m consistent, I don’t apologize, or back down when confronted with false assumptions, frivolous accusations, or presumptions based on emotion and close minded fools. I’m not saying that you are one.
  
  I don’t justify anything through semantics. Fact is, our vocabulary has been distorted and practically murdered through liberal usage, uneducated fools, and for the purpose of enforcing an agenda on us. So when I spot one of those words, phrases, or statements, I don’t hold back.
  
  America doesn’t belong to Americans, nor did it belong to the Indians. All the earth belongs to God. He governs in the affairs of every nation. He is the Supreme Judge of the World. He gives it to whomsoever he wills, and takes it from whomsoever he
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:08pm
  CHRIDIAMOND…..You see, I don’t want to discuss what you write, I would much rather discuss where your style of reasoning comes from. You discuss what you will, and from your POV, nothing you can say IS of interest to me. What IS of interest to me is how the influence of Satan manifests itself in ordinary people. I study this subject. Right now, I am studying you. The only things you can teach any one, are things about yourself, that, frankly, expose you as naive and quite childish. Haha, It is amusing how seriously you take your spiritually infantile musings.
  How’s that for patronizing?
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 4:48pm
  @OldTruckers
  Your 1st paragraph is true for you. Does that give Christians the right to impose your beliefs on me through law?
  I am a father, husband, son, brother; a sentient being of moderate erudition, voracious curiosity, a burning desire for truth, a voluntaryist, a linguist (Mandarin, Italian, Spanish)… these all make up parts of who and what I am. I wouldn’t say that a God I don’t believe exists gave me life. I’m sustained by the continual functioning of my brain and central nervous system, supplied with well-oxygenated blood pumped by my heart, and the maintenance of homeostasis in my corpus; i.e. a 98.6 degree temperature, basal metabolism etc. And, whether I believe like you or not, you’re going to end up just as dead as me. If God wanted everyone to have everlasting life, then why did He set us up for massive failure? More on that if you wish…
  
  @MaxJones
  I deny the existence of Satan and every deity. An atheist cannot believe in Satan, Zeus, Shiva, Allah, etc, or they would be theists. And your response didn’t really answer the question of mine that you quoted.
  
  @Colt1860
  Ultimately, it is a semantic disagreement on the term bondman. Either way, Jehovah said the bondsmen were the possessions of the Hebrews. Hard to get around that one and say God didn’t condone slavery as just.
  
  Your self-description, nice though it is, does not answer my question about Pilgrim intent and murder under manifest destiny.
  
  If God governs all nations, he’s doing
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:25pm
  Words are VERY important. The Bible says that “every word of God is pure”. The Lord himself said of himself, “I am their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession.” Does that mean God is our property? Do we own God? No! The Bible MUST be understood within context. The Bible says,
  
  “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people… Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem… Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech… God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.”
  
  The people weren’t able to obtain an understanding of God’s word for they rejected his authority.
  
  “But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.”
  
  “Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.”
  
  I know you’re not the religious type, but to put it bluntly, you can’t use worldly wisdom or man’s understanding to interpret that which is from above or spiritual.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:26pm
  @MaxJones
  
  Tsk, Tsk, Tsk… Are you suggesting that Satan is making himself manifest in me through this conversation?
  
  What a cop-out. And let’s examine this, shall we? You still haven’t really addressed anything I’ve said, nor refuted any of the statements I’ve made. What you have done is insult me and patronize me. I have aggressively attacked arguments made here, sure, but I have not personally attacked anyone as you have me. Yet Satan is manifest in me? Hmm…
  
  “Right now I am studying you,” Do as you will, but I think it might do you well to discuss the points instead of lob insults at me. Have you ever examined what kind of representative you are of Christ? I’ve read the Bible plenty of times, and I do not believe this is what Christ meant when he gave the sermon on the Mount. That I point out this hypocrisy in your claimed faith and your behavior is uncomfortable for you, yes, and likely will be the source of your next vitriolic attack against me full of nothing of substance.
  
  Ad hominem: the last resort of the person who cannot or can no longer contribute substantively to the discussion.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:39pm
  Here’s an example of “possession”.
  
  “In bailment, the bailee, who receives goods to convey, or to keep for a time, has the possession of the goods, and a temporary right over them, but not the property. Property in possession, includes both the right and the occupation.”
  
  No man can with exclusive impunity, without regard to Justice or Law, end the life of another innocent man. For no man has created another man, and made him his. God created us, not Man, not worldly Governments. Men may temporarily, or for certain reasons take possession of other men, as when a man steals or commits a crime, but he can not be supreme Lord over him. We are ALL equal before the Law, and must all accept the eternal truths established in nature and for the whole universe. This is the reasoning espoused in the Declaration. God is Supreme, not man.
  
  “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die… But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right… [and] is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.”
  
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- Old Truckers
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 5:40pm
  Mr. Diamond,
  
  You said; “Your 1st paragraph is true for you. Does that give Christians the right to impose your beliefs on me through law?”
  
  Does your atheistic views give you the right to impose your beliefs on me through your stupid reasonings? No!
  
  If you do not want any encouragement from a Christian, then fine, be what you want to be. But being an atheist disqualifies you from representing God in any way. Stick to what you know and do not insult us with your erroneous knowledge of a God you know nothing about. You think you know what you are talking about but you speak like a fool. You have no understanding of the Bible just as I have no understanding of your faith. I have made my choice and you have made yours. We have nothing more to say.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:01pm
  CHRISDIAMOND….What you fail to understand is that any and all of your arguments are of no material reality. You can’t possibly understand that every thing you said after “I don’t believe in God”, became intellectual drivel from the keyboard of an enemy. Every minute you live is another chance for Satan to work his evil in you, and through you. His most effective tool is making people believe he doesn’t exist. I know the time is here for God’s people to expose secular humanists for the satanic philosophy they spew. You are as dangerous a man as you could be at this time. All I can do is pray that any one exposed to you and your viewpoint are wiser than the serpent you prove yourself to be. You will be exposed fully, soon, and I am glad your cowardly ungodly identity will be purged. You bore me.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:21pm
  “All who, without commission from God, dare to execute private revenge, and who, from ambition, covetousness, or resentment, wage war and desolate kingdoms, must one day answer for it. But if God, instead of sending an earthquake, a pestilence, or a famine, be pleased to authorize and command any people to avenge his cause, such a commission surely is just and right. The Israelites could show such a commission, though no persons now can do so. Their wars were begun and carried on expressly by Divine direction, and they were enabled to conquer by miracles. Unless it can be proved that the wicked Canaanites did not deserve their doom, objectors only prove their dislike to God, and their love to his enemies. Man makes light of the evil of sin, but God abhors it. This explains the terrible executions of the nations which had filled the measure of their sins.”
  
  We as a nation will answer to God. I believe, as our founders, that God led us, a mostly religious and moral people at that time, to the most bountiful land on earth, and gave us those blessings in order to show forth his grace towards those that revere him. God is just and merciful, but will not hold back judgement on wickedness and those that are unrepentant. The Indians weren’t a just and moral people, nor would they ever have established a free Government or Constitutional Republic.
  
  http://www.mom4freedom.com/2011/11/24/president-james-madisons-thanksgiving-proclamations-1814-1815/
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 6:33pm
  @OldTruckers
  You cite any post I have made here or anywhere where I have remotely promoted forcing my views on you. You can’t, because I haven’t. I swore an oath to protect your right to worship as you choose, and mine to not worship. I’ll be damned if I would support anyone having their religious or anti-religious freedom infringed upon. I want theism out of public policy, and to quit being used by lying politicians to galvanize you into supporting more murder and theft. My desires would, IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM infringe upon your right to worship who, what, when, where and how you choose.
  
  I also never claimed to represent God. And I don’t have a ‘faith’ for you to understand or misunderstand. Unlike you and Max, I have not insulted anyone. I have made strong arguments that remain unanswered by you. Instead, I get ad hominem attacks from you and Max and your wholesale dismissal… I ‘lack understanding’ because I am not spiritual…? Isn’t that convenient…
  
  @Colt1860
  “I know you’re not the religious type, but to put it bluntly, you can‘t use worldly wisdom or man’s understanding to interpret that which is from above or spiritual.”
  
  Thank you for not saying that in the jerk fashion the others did. But who decides the writings are ‘from above’, or spiritual? Men did. We agree that the books were written by men. This is empirical/factual. That they were inspired from on-high cannot and will not ever be proven. There’s a huge difference between f
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:09pm
  @MaxJones
  Sounds like you’d be perfectly fine with executing me yourself, ‘In Jesus’ Name’. A satanic philosophy would require a belief in a deity, which I do not have. I’m closer to Objectivism, but I would not call myself an objectivist. But… If you’re right, I wonder what JC will say about the way you have treated me and talked to me. I wonder if you’ve ever pondered your representation of Christ. Here at The Blaze, it appears that the meaner and nastier you are in ‘defense’ of God (as if an almighty being should need your help, or anyone else’s), the more ‘Christian’ you are. Not what I learned about Christianity. And it makes me more certain of my choice to reject Christianity because it is almost wholly populated by the nastiest, self-righteous, closed-minded, egomaniacal, delusional and violent people I have the displeasure of dealing with. Well done, sir.
  
  Colt1860
  
  Isn’t it convenient that Almighty God would bother using humans He told not to kill, to kill for Him? I mean, He handled things Himself with the deluge, right? To kill millions, He’s the guy for the job. When it’s just hundreds/thousands, minions will do. But that the Indians ‘deserved’ such slaughter? Wow.
  
  I’m saddened that you would make such a judgment against the native Americans. I don’t play the race card, so that isn’t what this is about. I mean, who are you to determine how just, moral or righteous they were, or that they ‘deserved’ such slaughter? And then to def
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:47pm
  I’m NOBODY.
  
  “God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
  
  “The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
  
  “Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
  
  “All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”
  
  “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
  
  My redemption: 2 Corinthians 5:17-21
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:56pm
  Colt1860:
  
  Did you ever wonder why an omniscient God would ever have to lament anything He ever did? I mean, if He is omniscient, then He would have known that man would ‘fall’, that sin would abound, and that He would be FORCED to kill all of humanity (MILLIONS of people) because of their wickedness, right? After that, He tried to correct Himself and give man another chance by providing the law… but dammit if the law was something that humanity just could not live under. So He comes back again and says, “I know! I’ll send my Son, and because He will be me incarnate, He will live without sin. Because He will be sinless, His blood can be the one pure thing by which this filthy, putrid humanity I have created can be cleansed and reconciled unto me. He’ll be hated, scorned, betrayed, tortured and murdered so that the rest of humanity can get near me again and all will know how gracious and merciful I am. That’s it!”
  
  Really… you’ve never wondered those types of things? You know the only other entity known of in humanity that gets the free pass for murder and hypocrisy that God gets? Government.
  
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- colt1860
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:17pm
  “Did you ever wonder why an omniscient God would ever have to lament anything He ever did?”
  
  A loving God gave us free will. We messed up, not him.
  
  “if He is omniscient, then He would have known that man would ‘fall’, that sin would abound, and that He would be FORCED to kill all of humanity (MILLIONS of people) because of their wickedness, right?”
  
  No. He found grace in some, as in Noah, and he will save those that trust him and do his will.
  
  “After that, He tried to correct Himself and give man another chance by providing the law… but dammit if the law was something that humanity just could not live under. So He comes back again and says, “I know! I’ll send my Son, and because He will be me incarnate, He will live without sin. Because He will be sinless, His blood can be the one pure thing by which this filthy, putrid humanity I have created can be cleansed and reconciled unto me. He’ll be hated, scorned, betrayed, tortured and murdered so that the rest of humanity can get near me again and all will know how gracious and merciful I am. That’s it!”
  
  Nope. He gave us the Law that we may use it as a mirror to see how wrong we are. Many of these laws are by nature instilled in us from birth. We know we’re no good. The law makes it more abundantly clear.
  
  “You’ve never wondered those types of things?”
  
  All the time.
  
  I did not one day say to myself all willy nilly, Gee, I’ll entrust my life to that Being that led my forefathers to be f
  
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- greatgrandma
  Posted on October 13, 2012 at 6:39am
  @momrules, I believe God removed his protective hand from us when we took prayer out of school. Straight down hill from there.
  
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BasketFullOfPuppies
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:47am
Romney/Ryan is NOT telling women what they can or can’t do with their bodies.They are simply saying that it will not be funded by the taxpayer. But, who is speaking for the unborn child? If I had to answer that question, my answer would be “NOT Obama/Biden”.

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- ONLY4UANDME
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:07am
  I don’t understand why I never hear anyone say you can make decisions about your body and you made that decision at the time of conception. That right ends when its another persons body…. the body of the baby you conceived.
  
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- cagnew
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:37am
  What about the unborn child conceived during rape or incest? Do they not deserve a voice as well? Should they suffer and die for a crime they did not commit?
  
  Ryan/Romney aren’t speaking for unborn children either.
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:32pm
  It is the “sanction” of abortion on demand that makes the difference.
  
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- iampraying4u
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:07pm
  Kennedy wasnt a christian and he was a good prez
  
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RealLiibertarian
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:46am
An irrelevant question. This is a secular country, and politicans should leave their religion at the door. Freedom is what we are based on, and mainstream religion abhors freedom.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:57am
  Freedom to have someone else pay for your daughters abortion?
  
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- RealLiibertarian
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:15am
  The paying part is irrellevant. We already have the Hyde Amendment. Freedom to do what you want with your body, without government, religious, or societal interferance.
  
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- johnjoe
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:18am
  No sir, seculest can bring there wol\rld views to the table, why is it wrong for me to bring my Christian views to the table. The fact is we all have a world view, and we all make decissions based on them. Yours, mine, and others mix our views and decide on public policies.
  
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- RealLiibertarian
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:26am
  The difference, John, ist that my view lets you do as you wish, including live a religious life, if that is what you prefer. Your view restricts people and prohibits them from living a life that you find offensive.
  
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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:37am
  What if you find slicing and dicing babies offensive?
  
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- bkdFedup
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:35am
  I respect your views, but since I have had an abortion many years ago (and it was a legal one), I can speak with personal knowledge. I sense such hatred coming from you towards anyone that states truth/views that you don’t agree with (especially Christians, of which I am one). I am totally pro-life. I have lived the horror of the abortion, the aftermath when I finally (with my loving husband’s tender guidance) found out the truth about the development of my 12-wk old baby whom I aborted. I have personally seen a 12-wk old child that died in-utero and you can plainly see he was a little boy. I have spoken openly about the horrors of the ‘legal’ abortion I obtained. I tell the truth about the suffering of the innocent child and the suffering of a woman when she comes to terms with her abortion. I have counseled many, many women. It is true that when we, as a nation, fell for the lies of Planned Parenthood (and I fell for them, too), that we crossed a threshold and we have suffered and will continue to suffer. Our respect of children hashit rock bottom and they are no longer important. Read the news stories of men raping babies (read one today) – children crying during the rapes and these men not caring. Where are the mothers? Hearts have been hardened and we are bearing the results of all of these ‘laws’ that protect the ‘right of a woman and her body’. The baby is not a limb to just cut off…is not a parasite, but a tiny human being that should be protect
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:53pm
  NO. You leave your rebellious, anti-Christian and self centered viewpoints at the door. It is the human practice of leaving the REALITY of God’s supremacy out of the equation that is at the root of ALL of the problems we face today. You will soon come to a realization that We have been doing it wrong, for a long time and we will pay for it!
  I know that you are a thinker and your position has been thought out, and with your resources, you’ve come to a reasonable conclusion. You DO NOT have all the information you need to make the statements you make, although you believe you do. There is a dis-connect, and it is glaring.
  The beginning of wisdom is the STUDY of God’s word.
  I realize that my words probably fall on deaf ears, but I don’t try to convert….I plant seeds.
  
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bdandsl
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:38am
Joe believe in gov’t first and formost. They [dems] say helping the poor is based on their godliness but, that is supposed to be done on a personal level, not by passing laws to take from one to give to another.

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Whoops
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:35am
Since Biden claims to want to help those that cannot help themselves, who more needs their help than an unborn child. That is a contradiction of the highest order. No one is more helpless than an unborn child. What a hypocrit… God Bless Paul Ryan!

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- Ilikepeople
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:45am
  Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
  
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- cagnew
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:40am
  God bless Paul Ryan????
  
  He supports the murder of children who were conceived during rape pr incest. What? Are they not considered alive? Are they less alive than a child conceived in a normal sexual encounter?
  
  No. I don’t think God is going to bless Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney. They can’t even defend the most unwanted and defenseless of innocents.
  
  And bashing Biden for his stance while ignoring Ryan’s stance is hypocritical.
  
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- Whoops
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:44am
  Cagnew, You are correct! I agree that those babies are truly the most innocent of the victims of murder. I supported Rick Santorum but he did not win the nomination, unfortunately. I wish there was a way to save our country from the trainwreck that is happening. I’m afraid by re-electing Obama/Biden not only will babies be killed but you and I will be paying for it. You are right! It is the lesser of two evils. I hope God does bless Romney/Ryan and bring them to their senses. Maybe they can stop society from going over the cliff… I do not wish damnation on Obama/Biden either I just want them out of office. If America does not exist, who would do God’s work…
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:07pm
  Unfortunately, This country is at a point where anything it does is the wrong move. Is fatal. But it does not matter but in the minds of men. The RECKONING, is upon us now. We can never have it the way WE want it, ever again. In fact, we will not be a major power in the world any longer. Our secularist leaders led us to this point and our globalist leaders will take us the rest of the way. The insatiable thirst for hedonism and wealth has brought us to this.
  This scenario is prophesied and has been in the works far longer than any one here has been alive. Only fools believe that man has any input. We don’t. There is no ‘collective’ salvation.
  This system that we have labored for, and nurtured for so long, is no longer viable. It has fallen to common dishonesty.
  A note to those who still believe that God has no authority…..WATCH.
  
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SilentRunner
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:25am
When a woman becomes pregnant she is then supporting another human being within her. She has no more right to kill that person than she has to kill Joe Biden.

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Ilikepeople
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:25am
That’s interesting that Paul Ryan’s faith plays a role in his public life, and I wonder if that means as a public servant as well. And since people such as Paul Ryan thinks this is a Christian nation then maybe he won’t mind imposing his views on the nation. Another thing I find interesting is that supposedly it may have been AlQeada that carried out the attack at Benghazi, and I wonder if AlQeada knows it’s helping Republicans get elected.

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- revron
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:29am
  I like people? But you don’t like babies. If Joe Biden says (and he did) that he personally believes life begins at conception but he won’t force his view on others, that means he is endorsing murder in his own mind.
  As for superimposing his will on others, everyone has a world view. Paul Ryan’s just happens to be formed, in part, by his Christian faith. Nobody has superimposed his will on America more that Obama and this democratic administration.
  We don’t want God in politics. Is the maker of haven and earth Incapable of running a government?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:41pm
  Back in ‘Nam, when we came under fire from unknowns we fired back, without knowing who we were firing at. Near the Cam border, all the people were suspect. The saying at that time was “Kill ‘em all…let God sort ‘em out.” These people could not have, all, been Cong, but we had to treat them like they were, just to get out alive. The bad guys hid behind innocents, like all cowards do. like al qaida does now. Like the progressives in this country do now.
  
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raderby
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:18am
Ryan missed an opportunity here. The federal gov’t has NO business dealing in abortion, pro or con. That is a STATE’S RIGHTS issue. If a state votes via referendum or via legislative process to have abortion legal and flourishing… fine.

IF a state says no abortion for birth control allowed here, then fine. People can vote with their feet from there out. The Feds should **** out. And OF COURSE, no federal tax money to abortion clinics anywhere.

Bottom line, abortion is the wanton killing of human life. Same as murder, perhaps more heinous since the poor child cannot defend them self. What happens to “short eyes” child rapists and / or murderers in prison?

Even murderers in prison have no quarter with people who off kids.

LOOK AT THE SONOGRAM. That is a human person, not a ball of “tissue”.

IF some states want to condone murder in this way, ok, that is a state’s right and all the women who need “health services” of that type can move to those states.

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- bkdFedup
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:00pm
  Precisely right. It should be left up to the States, and people can then petition their respective State. Government being involved has become an albatross around our necks. The Supreme Court should have turned this back to the States, but then you had 7 Supreme Court Judges that stood in the place of God, and they will answer for that.
  
  Last night Biden talked about the 2-3 judges that could be appointed by the next President. I believe the correct number is a possiblility of five (5). What has always griped me – the litmus test was always given to any conservate person being viewed for the court – but the litmus test just didn’t apply to the liberal judges. Our ‘conservative’ members of congress gave them all a pass. You HAD TO BE PRO-ABORTION or you never got a second look. The most intelligent, credible judge – Judge Bork – was treated horribly and few stood up for him. They should be ashamed. He has continued to be a voice for the unborn. God bless him. And yes – a comment from ChrisDiamond – how a Christian can vote for a Democrat is amazing to me – I believe we will give an account to God for every vote we cast -whether we support a candidate that gives a pass of the killing of the unborn and also whether we support a party that wants to throw God out of their platform – which really happened at the DNC. If obama’s administration had not stepped in and reversed that because and ONLY because they would lose this election, it would have passed. Shame
  
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biohazard23
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:18am
Apply the same arguments folks like Joe Biden use in support of murdering unborn babies to another “choice”. I don’t think they would like it.

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2012/10/12/the_right_to_choose_rape/page/full/

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dublinthewagons
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:18am
Joe Biden puts on his religion like a shirt. He only wears it when it is conveniant. A devout Christian lives what he believes. The Democrat party is critical of Romney and his morman faith, but don’t live their proposed faith. Like Nancy pelosi was refused communion by the pope, yet she failed to get the point. Their day will come.

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cloudsofwar
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:14am
so Laughing Joe is a practicing Catholic and he’s in favor of abortion. he is part of an administration thats for abortion even if the baby survives, the administration says the baby should be left to DIE. JOE is one of those who says no matter what i do or don’t do i will be forgiven. JOE you are not listen to JESUS but the EVIL ONE.

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- biohazard23
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:19am
  Pelosi, too. Don’t forget about her, that evil crone.
  
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Landon410
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:07am
joey B admits life begins at conception yet he is perfectly ok with ending that life….

joe you might now know this, but you’re and idiot

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:19am
  But god forbid we let out intelligence people use enhanced interrogation techniques…that would be immoral!
  
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- SREGN
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:23am
  And a proponent of genocide.
  
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- thegreatcarnac
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:19am
  I laughed when Biden was asked about his faith. He had been smirking and laughing and gesturing like a complete fool; but when he started talking about faith he fakes humbleness, looks down as if bowing his head, and clasped his hands on the table, started speaking in low tones about his faith. the sudden change was great theatre. The old fool can act well. Then he proceeds to say how he didn’t believe in killing fetuses but….he would allow others to if they wanted to. What an azz!
  
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Gonzo
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:06am
Hey Joe, when you vote to uphold abortion, you might as well be aborting the fetuses yourself. You have the blood of the innocent all over you. How’s that jibe with your ‘personal faith” you arrogant piece of human filth?

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- raderby
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:09am
  a freeking men.
  
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- dublinthewagons
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:22am
  Well put Gonzo. My hat is off to you. Joe stands for only one thing. HIMSELF
  
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- momrules
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:32am
  Right again Gonzo. Just one more reason that I don’t understand how anyone who calls themselves Christian could ever vote Democrat. The blood of millions of murdered babies are all over those ballots.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 10:32am
  @MomRules
  “Right again Gonzo. Just one more reason that I don’t understand how anyone who calls themselves Christian could ever vote Democrat. The blood of millions of murdered babies are all over those ballots.”
  
  Are you freakin’ serious? How does anyone who is Christian vote for EITHER of these two groups of murdering thieves? Pro-life on the right? Please… only until it escapes the womb, and then they’re perfectly fine with the child being killed if it happens to be a Muslim or living in the Middle East. Besides, as I understand it, babies have not reached the age of understanding, and cannot be held accountable for sin. So they go to heaven if they are killed, right? Isn’t going to heaven better than growing up and potentially going to hell?
  
  Again, I’ll restate that I am pro-life… in the truest sense of the word. Not just this pro-fetus, ironic bullsh * t spewed by your religious folks on the right.
  
  The hypocrisy in Christianity on the right AND the left is maddening.
- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 11:02am
  You’re delusional Chrisdiamond.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:35pm
  @Gonzo
  
  Oh, am I? Based on what? Your opinion? Let’s see… a hypocritical pro-fetus/pro-murder ‘Christian’ is calling a someone who is truly pro-life (womb to tomb) delusional? Seems legit.
  
  I don’t know you, but I know that you do not know how to argue. Now, if you’d like to try and quantify your assertion, then I’ll be happy to come back and obliterate it, but… you kinda need to support it somehow first, mmmkay?
  
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- Max jones
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:53pm
  GONZO….Wow, never have heard you like this…….I like it!!
  
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Drex24
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:01am
I am absolutely amazed at the people who say you can seperate your personal beliefs and your public stance. This is a classic progressive statement – “I can’t force my beliefs on others” when it comes to abortion. How about marajuana? Gun ownership? The food we eat?

Progressives only hold that stance on abortion. On everything else, they try to force you to their personal belief. Hypocrites, the lot of them!

Besides, if your personal beliefs don’t guide your public stance, how deep are your beliefs?

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:12am
  The Nazis were very good at it. So are the Democrats.
  
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ZAP
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:00am
I think when you murder some one it’s between God and you .Doctor doesn’t have anything to do with it,he’s just a man with a degree…

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:22am
  So, if I hire a hit man to whack my boss, it’s between me and God…and the hit man is off the hook in heaven? After all, he’s just a man with a gun. Brilliant.
  
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- helllsbellls
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:56am
  zap………i have to disagree with you zap. That makes no sence what so ever. Hells Bells.
  
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- bkdFedup
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:26pm
  Excuse me? It was a DOCTOR that performed my abortion. It was a DOCTOR that willingly took my child’s life and never ONE time tried to help me understand the truth about what he was going to do. He KNEW that my baby was a developed child – not the glob I was told it was – with no heartbeat etc. It was all lies, sir, and giving a doctor a pass when he willingly kills a child is not acceptable to me. And I sure wouldn’t want to be in his shoes when he stands before God – and he surely will. All the excuses will not be even accepted when we stand in front of our God and judgement is passed on what you did in your life. He will stand with blood upon his hands – a frightening thought.
  
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jackact
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:00am
I wonder how America felt about the dispicable behavior of Biden throughout the debate?
Is it appropriate for ANY elected official to ‘smirk’ when the topic when murdered Americans have been brutally murdered on sovereign soil overseas?
Is this part of the ‘new normal’ that democrats are to referring too?
Regarding religion commentary; it is common knowledge that Biden follows the ‘other’ Catholic church, the one that looks the other way for pro-abortionists.
You know, the church of Kennedy.

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Armyduderetired
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:58am
Joe…….I laughed my Biden off!!! Ha Ha Ha!

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msconstrue
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:57am
when and until roe v wade is overturned, right or wrong it is the law of the land. i’m tired of this being a political hot button!

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- bkdFedup
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 12:37pm
  I understand what you are saying, but people that believe in the sanctity of life must stand against laws that destroy the sanctity of life. There is an obligation to stand against wrong-doing and against a government that no longer protects the innocent. It will, and should always be, brought out to the public if you agree with killing the unborn. In fact, the current president agrees with killing a child that has been born through a botched abortion. If that child is breathing and crying out for life, he voted AGAINST giving that child any rights at all when he was a senator – so there is a reason we bring it out in the forefront.
  
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Yaya2
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:53am
Biden= Bully! He would say and do anything to get a vote. But one day he will stand before the Lord and have explain his hypocritical position. Shame on you, Joe Biden…God knows your heart.

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Detroit paperboy
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:50am
Uncle Turd interrupted Ryan 82 times, it’s exactly what they all do on TV, how anyone can vote for these idiots is amazing,,,,,,,,

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Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:50am
With those words Biden showed the truth of his own deeds and integrity – bad to the core.

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- capitalismrocks
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:59am
  With the countless couples in this country who go to extraordinary lengths to adopt, I see no reason for all of these abortions, most couples will pay the mothers groceries, doctor visits, and other costs as part of an agreement for the adoption… unless its rape, incest or during actual labor a doctor has to make a call that both the mother and baby are in danger, there really is no reason for an abortion, except for just being purely lazy and irresponsible.
  
  More to the point… why should other people have to pay for someones elective surgery, because that is what it is, its an elective surgery. I’m not paying for someone elses mistake, I’m not paying for someone to get free condoms, if you’re partner can’t afford a condom then you either need to raise your standards, or drink a lot less when you go out because something is seriously wrong with you and its not my responsibility to pay for your sexual misconduct. As for birth control, its $9/month cut back on 1 pack of cigarettes and its paid for, if gas wasn’t $4 a gallon but was back pre-Obama $1.85 you could afford yours birth control… again I’m not paying for your sexual life, what… next Sandra Fluke will want the 1st round of drinks to be paid for by the tax payers too!
  
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HollyRye
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:49am
Biden: “My religion defines who I am and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life.”
Clearly, he needs more practice if he thinks that abortion is a decision between a woman and her doctor, rather than a woman and her God.

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- 13th Imam
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 9:16am
  Just what branch of Catholicism does Bite Me follow?
  
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toiletclogga
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:45am
Biden’s life is defined by his Democrat leanings. Ryan’s life is defined by his faith in the almighty creator of life. God cares about life! All life!

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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:11pm
  @ToiletClogga
  
  So by your logic and assertion, RE: Ryan defined by his faith and guidance from Almighty God, then you’re (essentially) saying that Ryan being for the wholesale killing of Muslims and Persians is sanctioned by God? That God is for governments stealing from the people like Ryan advocates and enjoys? That God is for the restriction of fredom (NDAA12, PATRIOT Act and the like) like Ryan has voted for? That God is ok with lying when it suits political purposes?
  
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- The_Cabrito_Goat
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 2:57pm
  You got it right, Chris. It’s obvious that his line was merely a euphemism describing everything you just said. Thank you for being so spot on at connecting the dots, there’s no way any of us could have figured that out on our own.
  
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- ChrisDiamond
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 3:20pm
  Glad to be of service, Goat. ;)
  
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HKS
Posted on October 12, 2012 at 7:44am
I think Biden deserves a new name, “Smirkey Joe” I was quite frankly offended by his demeanor for someone presiding over the worst economic term in history.

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- Gonzo
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 8:42am
  Remember what Clint Eastwood called him? “A big grin with a body behind it.” He certainly lived up to that last night.
  
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- PurrrpleMtnMajesty
  Posted on October 12, 2012 at 1:51pm
  @Gonzo
  You have the best comments! (LOL)
  
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